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What If Tracy Lived? | No Time To Die · Potato Chip Pictures - A Podcast

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  I think the writers must have actually cared about watching
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  the earlier bonds. And then we're like, oh, this is
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  the send off. Let's make him human.
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  And I mean, a bit more so than he usually is.
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  He's kind of flawed. But in this one he's like, oh,
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  it's a it's the end of the road. It so sad.
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  Yeah, you know, and I will also say I am a sucker for endings
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  when a franchise can actually conclude a.
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  Story. Yeah, like Star Wars, I love the
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  fact that Episode 6 ends the story.
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  A lot of people are like Episode 6 is just Episode 4 again, but
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  to me it ends the story. And that that make that really
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  puts it up on a pedestal for me. And I gotta say, I love this.
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  The at least the idea that the Daniel Craig reboot was a
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  self-contained complete universe.
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  I really like that. I think the love affair that
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  comes in to a conclusion in this one felt maybe like an
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  afterthought of planning because you have Vesper and then you
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  have Vesper and then you have Vesper and then, Oh yeah,
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  Madeline. And that's who you're getting to
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  the end of. Like, I'm glad that Vesper was
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  the beginning and kind of drug out to an end, and now we get
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  someone else. It's enjoyable.
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  I like that. I mean, how far do we go before
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  we start this? Thing I was going to say, we're
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  going too deep into it, man. I let's let's cue the music.
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  Hello and welcome to Potato Chip Pictures, the movie franchise
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  review podcast. Finishing our run.
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  Well, almost finishing finishing the movies for the James Bond
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  franchise. My name is B Sammy Davis.
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  And now I'm Justin again. And we are talking about 2020
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  ones No Time to die. It was.
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  It was. It was.
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  Couple of years ago. Yeah, that is the other crazy
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  part. Time is insane.
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  I'm going to just do the the budget and all that other stuff.
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  So this one, it came out six years after Spectre.
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  That was not the plan. The plan was for No Time to Die
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  to come out relatively quickly. There were delays.
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  And then, of course, there was a global pandemic and it took six
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  years for it to finally hit theaters.
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  It had a budget of 250 to $301 million.
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  It is not confirmed how much it actually cost to make, and it
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  returned $771,000,000, $400 million less than Skyfall and
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  11,000,000 less than Spectre. I mean, figuring in the pandemic
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  in 2021, that's not horrible. Oh yeah.
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  And frankly, I, you know, a lot of times people will talk about
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  the budget as an indicator of quality.
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  I don't think that's the case here.
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  Like I think this was better than Spectre.
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  I'm just gonna put it out there right now before we get into it.
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  I think we have surpassed Spectre.
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  So yeah, hard agree. Yeah.
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  So it it is. We're going in the right
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  direction. It's but the audiences weren't
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  there for it. And that, you know, like you
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  said, that was likely caused by the pandemic.
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  And this is one of those movies that as people look back on it
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  four years later, most people are like, yeah, this, this was
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  pretty good. This was all right.
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  You know, I'm OK with that. I think it was a great, it felt
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  maybe more thought out in terms of we give Madeline her back
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  story, we give Bond his retirement, his actually being
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  retired with her. But instead of it being the
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  final 20 minutes of Casino Royale where everybody,
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  everything has to happen and the person has to die, like, no,
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  you're going to give you 2 1/2 hours to wrap this up.
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  So and it that figures. It feels really well thought
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  out. You know, I complained in the
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  last episode that Spectre just felt like we were redoing
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  Quantum of Solace and what really was the point of all of
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  it? And if I'm honest, No Time to
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  Die does the exact same thing. It's like, but there's an even
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  bigger threat. And it's also been watching from
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  the the shadows this whole time. And yet, and yet I really
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  enjoyed it. I was really having a good time.
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  I think I could feel like the the villain maybe didn't have as
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  large of an organization, but he had as large of a plan as
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  spectre that can fill their hallways and and palaces with
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  500 plus people to listen to Blofeld.
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  This guy, he has a factory in an island.
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  But it I mean, I've seen some pieces of it saying how it
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  matches a bit of doctor No and all I'm mostly see in his Oh,
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  like there's an island that they have to get to.
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  Oh, Felix is there. And like, I didn't I couldn't
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  remember Doctor No enough to be like, Oh yeah, of course, sure.
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  There's no fire dragon or anything, right?
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  Is that that one? Yep, that was Doctor No.
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  But I mean, there is a villain that is willing to discuss with
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  Bond, maybe under duress their similarities and maybe doesn't
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  say how much he respects Bond. But they discuss, they discuss
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  their, their shadow lives, essentially.
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  Mm hmm. And that might be what I like
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  about it. You know, I, I might, I might be
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  unfair to say it's an even bigger thing it because, you
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  know, you pointed it out exactly.
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  He doesn't have an an organization.
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  He has employees, he's a lone figure and and so it's unfair of
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  me to be like, it's bigger specter.
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  Somehow he manages to kill the giant organization, so that I
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  think that is fair to say. That feels bigger because.
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  Yeah. He's he feels like a larger than
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  life presence and yet he's so understated.
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  I don't know, I I may, I may have a, an A score that changes
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  as I think about this movie. For how long it is, I think it's
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  less tedious than say the transition in Skyfall.
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  Like I know that they have to get out to the Skyfall building,
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  but it just took so long to get ready I felt like to me.
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  So. This one's so long, but at least
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  the acts are speedy, I feel like.
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  And that'd be the word. Well, and I mean, I would love
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  for you to, to lead this discussion again like last week,
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  but I do have to say once again, once again, this franchise is
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  like, hey, here's an intro that's everything to do with the
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  movie. And yet I'm like, OK, it works.
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  I'm fine with it. And I'm I'm fine with the rest
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  of the movie. The intro actually follows a
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  retired Bond. I think that was a fun surprise
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  because I don't think I really connected Spectre.
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  I don't feel like I watched all of it before.
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  I tried watching No Time to Die whenever that was.
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  So his retirement last time, last episode, I was like, oh, he
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  actually left. He was like, why are you here?
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  And oh, he's actually retired. I hear you and I I understand,
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  but I'm holding on to my guns. I still don't feel like that was
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  the big choice on the bridge at the end of Spectre.
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  All he did was not kill the guy like that.
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  That is not a retirement. I mean, sure, officially it
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  doesn't. It's not like the end of this
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  one where officially, but it it felt retired enough to be
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  consistent with. OK, they are.
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  He's not. He doesn't have any missions.
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  He's chumming it up with his lady.
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  Who knows if they like get married like our Majesty's
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  Secret Service bond. I don't believe so because they
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  don't make a point of saying anything like that.
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  But this is five years in the past from where we will start
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  our show. They get chased because he goes
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  to say goodbye to the past at her grave and it blows up and
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  somehow Blofeld is to blame for this.
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  And somehow you're still keeping secrets.
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  Yes, she is keeping secrets, but they have to escape bad guys.
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  I think the only thing really notable, I mean, all looks nice.
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  They kind of talk to each other. They're they're eventually going
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  to part in a sour note. Feels like they're not, they're
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  not happy about it, but. It's a hard breakup.
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  Yeah, he does fight a henchman. I forget your criteria.
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  This this would definitely be a henchman.
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  He's a he's a muscle who doesn't make decisions, just does what
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  he's told. He has a electric eye.
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  We don't really find out much about it, but it pops out at one
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  point. Does Bond collect it?
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  I don't. Know No, he just leaves it
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  because the guy will put it back in his head.
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  I thought the eyeball initially was to be like, well this guy is
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  super dead because eyeballs fall out.
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  Nope. He'll come back, Bond gets her
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  to a train, gets her away, I think.
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  I don't think he says like find MI 6 will take care of you, but
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  essentially she finds MI 6. We don't know that, but
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  eventually we'll find that out. Mm hmm.
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  That's the intro. I mean the only thing you missed
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  from the intro was the flashback dream sequence from Madeline
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  Swan. Where she remembered the dude
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  who tried to assassinate her father and then she shot him and
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  it's it's a pretty compelling story.
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  She really was pretty guarded with how much she told Bond in
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  the last movie based on what we saw, and it does become a well,
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  he introduces himself the the guy who comes in says his name
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  is Lucifer Saffen. Lucifer.
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  Yeah. Sounds, yeah.
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  And I was like, OK, so it's definitely the devil Lucifer.
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  It's just, I watched it with subtitles and I was like, wait,
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  but there's like TS and YS in here.
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  It's a. Very sophisticated name.
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  Anyways, Saffen, he's he's played by someone, Rob.
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  Or Raby Malik. Yes, thank you.
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  I. Was the robot guy.
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  Yes, he was also in that OK Queen movie.
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  Oh, I've watched that one. Yeah, it's it's not bad, it's
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  not great. It's genuinely OK.
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  But yeah, I, I think this might be my favorite role that he's
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  done. I I watched him recently in this
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  kind of bad movie called The Amateur, and he, I watched it
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  because of him. I was like, I like this guy, I
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  want to watch it. And I was really disappointed by
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  the whole thing. And then I watched this one and
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  I'm like, oh, yeah, I do like him as an actor.
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  He's good. I've watched that one.
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  He was he was sufficiently better.
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  I think he I wouldn't put him past Blofeld because I just
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  don't. I don't think that what Chris is
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  it Christopher Christophe Waltz was bad as an actor for it.
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  I think it was maybe it gets a little awkward in this one, a
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  little bit weird. And the twist in the other one
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  was it was all right, I. Do think I liked him better in
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  this one than Inspector, And maybe it's because less is more.
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  Maybe it's because I have a sucker for actors playing crazy
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  and when they first cut to him in the prison and he's just
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  talking to himself, dude looks crazy.
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  And and so I was like, oh man, I'm into that.
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  Later on we learned that he's not crazy at all, but but I feel
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  like he he did a good job. He he really kind of embodied
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  the role. I would almost say better than
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  last time. I don't know.
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  He he was fine in the last one. He just that whole movie didn't
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  really vibe with me that well, so I kind of didn't like him as
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  much. I mean, not much else to say
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  about the intro 'cause that part is interesting.
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  She does defend herself. She falls with the ice, and
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  we're supposed to believe that this Lucifer guy saves her by
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  shooting at her because she's fallen in the ice?
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  Joe, those bullets are super close.
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  Yeah, like. That's not really a controlled.
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  Fire there man, that that's that's plot armor protecting
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  that little girl like Oh my gosh, I didn't like that, but
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  you. Know yeah, that doesn't sit
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  great with his motivations later on because he's also in love
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  with Madeline and it's like, I don't love it.
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  Yeah, I so weird, but it's OK because she's an adult now.
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  This is like those people who when I was a kid were watching,
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  oh, who were those twins from the 90s who were in full house?
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  Oh, Olsen. Yeah, the Olsen twins, like they
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  were, there were those creepy dudes who were like, keeping
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  track of how old they were and like, that was gross.
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  No idea. That's that's Saffy.
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  That is Saffy. There's and if we're if her
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  history is that she was saved by him, like I don't know what else
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  happens from her, him getting her out of the ice.
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  Yeah, we never know. I feel like yeah, that is all
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  left ambiguous, empty, so she eventually escapes.
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  So there is one thing in this intro that I love, but I don't
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  love it until significantly later, and that is the bombing
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  of Vesperlin's tomb. I think it's very cool, it's
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  very interesting. I hate that Bond survives it.
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  Very. Close to that model.
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  Exactly like it did its job, it was effective.
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  It's so it's only magic that that he survived.
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  You know, the movie has to happen, but it's that's that's
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  the one thing I don't like about it.
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  But later on when it gets to explained, I'm like, oh, that
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  was chef chef's kiss. But then when Bond is running
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  away from the car at the start of the very long chase, there's
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  these little magical rocks on the bridge that are like
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  perfectly sized for him to lay down and hide behind to avoid
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  getting hit by the car, and it looks so silly.
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  I do love when Bond is convinced that Swan has betrayed him and
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  they're in the car and people are shooting at it.
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  Like there's a dude point blank firing a shotgun into the
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  window. And I'm, I was like, Bond, what?
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  What is with this suicidal nature that you have?
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  Just waiting for it to breakthrough the glass, yeah.
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  It's strange, but you know, then he gets away and it's all
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  exciting. But those are, for me, those are
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  the three things that really stand out as things that I'm
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  like, we got like, I can't gloss over these.
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  Like the concept of the, the great, the tomb bomb becomes
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  incredible. But in the moment, like the, the
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  setup, you've got all these people working at the cemetery
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  and they're like making phone calls.
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  And so you're like, OK, clearly this is a Spectre operation.
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  And so when Bond's like, you betrayed me, it's like, OK,
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  well, maybe, maybe like if they are just there today, then yeah,
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  maybe. But if they're there every
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  single day, which is possible because this is SPECTRE
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  Inspector is tedious like that. So like what?
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  At what point would she have had time to to betray you bond?
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  These guys have been together hanging out, but you know, I
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  like the break up. I like when he puts her on the
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  train and it it is, it feels more like a heartbreak than
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  anything from the last movie I think I can say.
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  I have to ask, can you say the chorus to whatever the music is
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  after the intro? I'm like, I have it on muted in
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  the background looking at scenes as they go by and I'm I am.
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  I have no idea what music is between that scene and the next.
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  I remember it was a ballad. It was a little bit more like
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  there were a few more instruments than the last movie,
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  but we were right back into ballad territory.
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  I remember really being disappointed by it because I was
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  like, all right, I guess Bond is now dramas and that's what we're
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  going to tell through our music. And now I'm thinking about it
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  and I'm like, I don't remember Billie Eilish's No Time to Die.
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  Like I don't know what it sounds like.
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  Right. It sounds like Billie Eilish's
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  music. I think that's, I mean you when
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  you like Adele's song sounds like Adele's music.
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  But at least I remember Skyfall, the Sam Smith's one.
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  It sounds like his music, but at least I remember how whiny it
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  was. I am blank on her version of a
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  Bond music. I mean, obviously we're going
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  to, so next week is going to be our wrap up episode and part of
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  that is going to be looking at all of the intro songs and
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  rating them. But as I think about it now, I'm
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  sitting here like obviously I'm going to hear it again, but I
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  cannot for the life of me think what it sounds like or if my
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  mind will change. I can hear her saying no time to
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  die in a very breathy, low spoken sentence.
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  Yeah, maybe she'll say duh in there.
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  No time to die, duh. Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo
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  Doo. Well, that's that's my review of
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  that song. Like OK.
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  I laughed it. Passed and I don't remember it.
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  Yeah, I don't. Same.
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  Don't like it. Not my favorite 2 out of 10
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  because I can't remember if it was actually bad.
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  Wasn't aggressively bad. Exactly.
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  It's not so bad that I know it's bad.
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  Like, we just don't remember anything about it.
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  I laughed out loud when you absolutely called that shot at
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  the end of last week's episode of saying maybe they'll say like
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  five years later. And sure enough, they said five
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  years later. Bond has been, who knows, doing
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  what. Apparently he's just chilling
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  out being retired. He really liked what he was
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  doing at the end or in at the beginning of Skyfall when he was
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  faking his death. He he was having a great time on
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  that beach and he was like, I'm a do that again, just this time
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  without a bullet. Yeah, he does do that again, but
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  five years later we have to go to a mega virus research
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  facility for mega virus to get stolen.
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  I think the chitchat between the Co workers of who eventually is
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  the bad guy is fine. It's it's nice and brief
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  introduces us to a not I don't know, would you call it bullying
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  situation, but he's he's fed up with his workplace bullying 2
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  bad guys. It's 100% workplace bullying and
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  that that doesn't justify or owe Bruche's selling.
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  Yeah, like he he's dead. Like, quit your job.
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  Like, if you were going to toxic environment and they're not
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  going to do anything about it, You're a genius.
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  Go work somewhere else. Like, yeah, but apparently his
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  new employer wanted him to steal from his old employer, so he has
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  to stay on the clock for a few more weeks.
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  I don't think that. Well, I don't.
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  I think that at the beginning of the movie his name is Primo, the
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  guy with the fake eye. I think at the beginning of the
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  movie he is loyal to Blofeld and 100% Spectre.
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  And then somewhere in that five year stretch of time he became
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  100% loyal to Saffen because it's Saffen who calls both Primo
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  who is leading a Spectre unit and then it's Saffen who calls
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  Oberchev who is 100% working for Saffen.
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  But I think Primo is working for Saffen and knows he's working
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  for Saffen, but he's still keeping up appearances that he
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  is part of Spectre. Does that make sense?
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  Yeah, I mean, to a degree I there's a double cross ahead
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  from Oberchev. But first, watching it, I did
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  not quite put together the, I guess, back story context for
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  how Orbichev is told to, instead of killing Bond, make sure that
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  the DNA is swapped. But he's nervous about swapping
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  it in front of Primo. But then Primo is on the island
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  with Saffen. Yeah.
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  Right, so it. So.
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  So I also you poked a hole right in my well, but but it's 100%
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  Saffen who is giving Primo the orders.
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  But you are right because he says you're going to find this
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  doctor named Overjev. You need him alive.
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  He doesn't say like that's your ally.
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  He says your mission depends on him and your mission is a
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  spectre mission. Oh, man.
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  Like one of the things I like about this movie is that as an
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  audience member, it's hard to keep track of everything
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  intentionally. Like, Saffin becomes such a
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  compelling villain because you're sitting here like, who is
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  this out of nowhere person? Who is he?
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  Yeah, I think the first time I watched it, maybe I didn't love
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  where he's coming from. Just felt like, you know, if it
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  weren't for watching all of the other Bond movies, I think my
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  rating would be lower overall on this movie.
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  But I think it pays enough attention to the past that they
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  are trying to set behind them for Bond to be tired of all this
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  and for the past to just essentially finally catch Bond.
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  But lovingly. I think it's a it's a show that
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  doesn't quite care to fill us in on all the villains plans versus
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  Bond is is circling the drain and here is most of the the
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  emotions and inner world of Bond that we can fit into 2 1/2
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  hours. I mean, to its discredit, a lot
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  of movies have been able to do that in 1 1/2 hours like, but
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  you know, to its credit, this is probably the most emotional I
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  have ever been at a Bond movie where I've been like.
• 28:21
  Wow. This really kind of affected me
• 28:23
  towards the end of it and and at the beginning of it, you have no
• 28:28
  idea that that's what's in store.
• 28:30
  Especially with this heist scene, it is so interesting to
• 28:37
  watch. You know, everyone getting
• 28:39
  murdered in the office and then bombs going off and, and then
• 28:42
  the explosion from street level looks so understated and yet
• 28:47
  it's such a huge fireball coming out of the window.
• 28:51
  But from down below it looks like a tiny little poof.
• 28:56
  Maybe a bit of the plot is falling apart because as I'm
• 28:59
  thinking about it, like, they get the virus, they get the guy,
• 29:05
  the fireball goes off and I think we go straight to Bond in
• 29:11
  Jamaica and he gets the sense that he's being followed.
• 29:17
  But it ends up just being Felix who's doing his best Max Payne
• 29:22
  Three impression. And I adore it for that.
• 29:26
  I'm like, oh man, Felix, you're just just like a harried CIA
• 29:35
  agent, but. Sick of it all?
• 29:38
  Yeah. I mean, he talks.
• 29:40
  About the old SO. Tired of it?
• 29:42
  You'll be like the old days. Yeah.
• 29:47
  And I, you know, as much of A non character as he is for the
• 29:51
  rest of this movie, I I kind of like Logan Ash.
• 29:55
  He's so irritating that it. Sucks.
• 29:59
  Yes, he. Is.
• 30:01
  That's his resume. Can you play this guy again?
• 30:08
  Can you be annoying again? Everybody loves annoying.
• 30:13
  Essentially they're trying to get bond to this is where I was
• 30:17
  meaning plot holes. I hadn't quite noticed it.
• 30:22
  Ash is trying to find the scientist.
• 30:25
  Yep Yep. I if I do I recall incorrectly.
• 30:30
  Ash is from what? The state.
• 30:34
  Department. But isn't he?
• 30:38
  Eventually he's in the cars with Saffen, trying to chase down
• 30:43
  Bond. Why?
• 30:45
  How? Who got Oberchev out if not
• 30:49
  Saffen? And maybe I need to watch it
• 30:51
  again, because once you said that and I'm sitting here
• 30:55
  agreeing with you, I'm like, Oh yeah.
• 30:57
  Why does Saffen let Ash try to recruit bond?
• 31:03
  Why does he try? Why does he have to get like the
• 31:05
  scientist got out? Bond finds a scientist, but who
• 31:09
  had the scientist specter like who is on which team essentially
• 31:15
  has gotten me confused as to. How?
• 31:19
  All right. I, I, I, I want to try to put it
• 31:22
  together even though the we're too early in the movie.
• 31:25
  The movie hasn't told us yet, but I'm going to try to put it
• 31:28
  together and you tell me if I've got it right to your memory or
• 31:33
  if you remember it differently. Spectre had this nanobot and a
• 31:38
  bunch of other research projects going when Blofeld was
• 31:43
  incarcerated. I guess he got like a lighter
• 31:47
  sentence if he gave over some of his stuff.
• 31:51
  So he, the British government are running this nanotech
• 31:56
  program, Project Her Heracles, and then Spectre, still a
• 32:03
  criminal organization, breaks in and kidnaps Oberchev and steals
• 32:09
  Project Heracles. They're essentially taking it
• 32:12
  back. Saffin wants Project Heracles
• 32:16
  and it is now in the hands of Spectre.
• 32:19
  Saffin has employed Primo at some point.
• 32:25
  Definitely Oberchev. And at some point he has
• 32:29
  employed Logan Ash. Logan Ash is with the US State
• 32:33
  Department. He's a political appointee,
• 32:36
  could be originally picked by Specter, but now he's there,
• 32:40
  he's working with Felix Leider of the CIA because they want
• 32:44
  Oberchev in order to create a new project, Heracles.
• 32:51
  And so I maybe with all of these connections, maybe the reason
• 32:57
  Logan is there is really to get the US interested in buying
• 33:04
  Heracles or the virus or whatever is being manufactured
• 33:10
  from Saffin. Like that's the end goal.
• 33:13
  Saffin needs to steal Heracles once and for all.
• 33:17
  But like he needs to prime the pumps in other world governments
• 33:23
  to be like, you want to buy this nanotech virus?
• 33:26
  You want to buy this nanotech virus?
• 33:31
  I can I can see Ash being with Saffen.
• 33:35
  Obrichev has some deal or acts independently to kill all of
• 33:42
  Spectre, but then later Saffin's like it was me that killed all
• 33:45
  the. Spectre like he 100% took that
• 33:47
  order from Saffin. But he doesn't want to show
• 33:53
  Primo. Or maybe, maybe it's not Primo.
• 33:55
  That's when he's swapped out of the drives.
• 33:57
  I think it is. But at the party he's supposed
• 34:00
  to just put in Bonds DNA, but he puts in all of the Spectre
• 34:04
  people and he's all nervous because he's being watched and
• 34:09
  it. Is Primo who's watching him?
• 34:11
  But Primo works for Saffen, but they don't know that yet I
• 34:14
  guess. I guess.
• 34:15
  It's a double-blind. Neither of them know that they
• 34:18
  work for Saffen so. And maybe that's intentional.
• 34:20
  Maybe that's how Saffen is smarter than Spectre.
• 34:23
  Like, Spectre is this organization where everybody
• 34:26
  knows each other, and they invite the entire organization
• 34:29
  and their underlings to their secret meetings.
• 34:34
  Yeah. Like maybe Saffin is like, I'm
• 34:35
  not going to be like that. I'm not going to tell anyone
• 34:38
  that they work for me. Like it'll just be a mystery.
• 34:41
  Could be. I don't know, I don't know if
• 34:43
  the movie tells us and I've only watched it the one time this
• 34:45
  week and that's my problem for missing it or if I'm just like
• 34:50
  being overly forgiving of it. But you are right.
• 34:52
  Like why don't the people? Why don't his hench men and
• 34:57
  lackeys know each other? Yeah, well, so they have to
• 35:05
  extract Overchev once they find him, Bond has the meat double O
• 35:11
  7. Before that, she's she's what do
• 35:18
  you call it? She's already prepared with
• 35:21
  being fed up with Bond when she needs him, and I think that
• 35:25
  works in her favor. We all want to be fed up with
• 35:28
  Bond, but he just manages to keep successfully doing
• 35:31
  missions. I I have a love hate
• 35:36
  relationship with Nomi. I 100% like her as double O 7.
• 35:42
  I 100% love the fact that the numbers are recycled, at least
• 35:47
  in the Daniel Craig universe. Like we got to remember this is
• 35:51
  a self-contained all by itself universe, but in this universe
• 35:57
  their numbers are not sacrosanct.
• 35:59
  Like you die, someone else is going to take your number, but
• 36:02
  they're not taking your name. They keep their own name like.
• 36:07
  It's not for efficiency though, because 7 is the first number
• 36:11
  with two syllables. So honestly, what are you doing?
• 36:15
  Well, double O 12345 and six, we're still alive or already
• 36:20
  taken. Sure, I guess so.
• 36:22
  It's. It's not like they all die.
• 36:25
  So 910, just skip 7. Come on.
• 36:30
  Whoever said Nomi's all about efficiency, she's about rubbing
• 36:34
  salt in the wound because she 100% does that with bond when
• 36:39
  she gets to his room and she's like, by the way, you didn't
• 36:42
  seduce me. I'm here to to be on a job.
• 36:46
  I'm on a mission because I'm double O 7 kablam It's.
• 36:51
  Like, all right, thanks for telling me why we're actually
• 36:55
  here. It did feel a little half
• 36:58
  hearted like he did like put it together, like what?
• 37:01
  What are you doing here? This is this is old tactics for
• 37:07
  Bond. He's been doing this for a
• 37:09
  decade. But I I do think it's in, if
• 37:16
  it's not for the reason of contrasting them, we get to meet
• 37:20
  Paloma, who's had three weeks of training, versus Bond, who's had
• 37:23
  decades of training. And been called too old to do
• 37:26
  his job like. They work together and it's a
• 37:30
  nice little bit of how I would even say comedy to have her be
• 37:37
  like good at this spy stuff almost accidentally.
• 37:43
  Paloma is Acia agent. I was like, how does he?
• 37:46
  Keith says. OK Felix, I'll do the job to
• 37:49
  find the scientist and her CIA. It's Paloma is the CIA agent.
• 37:55
  I thought she was with MI 6. Man, beautiful nervous women.
• 38:02
  They melt the heart. I mean, she does a great job.
• 38:08
  Maybe not quite as slick of a earpiece meta for you, but still
• 38:17
  enjoyable. They kind of stumble.
• 38:24
  Well, not stumble, but they're in the meeting with all the
• 38:26
  Spectre people thinking they're getting kind of a drop on them.
• 38:29
  But if I lost his name. Over.
• 38:34
  Chair No, our old villain. Oh, Blofeld.
• 38:40
  Blofeld. That was like Blofeld is
• 38:44
  communicating through this bionic eyeball.
• 38:48
  And it's. All an elaborate trap because he
• 38:53
  knew that James Bond would get to this party stand in the
• 38:57
  middle of the floor and let himself get gassed by whatever
• 39:00
  this thing is that they've set up.
• 39:03
  It's, that might be a low point in the story for me, because
• 39:07
  it's, I guess I mean, it tracks a little bit with Spectre where
• 39:11
  they're just grandiose and. Yeah, odd.
• 39:15
  I'm going to say the part that bugs me is that they kind of
• 39:21
  gloss over the fact that Bond is infected here.
• 39:26
  Like this is when it happens. And yet later on when he grabs
• 39:32
  Swan's hand after she has sprayed herself with poison
• 39:37
  perfume, he accidentally is able to kill someone.
• 39:43
  But I think he would have killed that person anyway.
• 39:48
  Just. By touch I can see that.
• 39:50
  Like I think this is where he has been infected but the the
• 39:54
  movie's going to make it sound like he gets infected later but
• 39:58
  dude was gassed with everybody else in the room.
• 40:01
  Paloma was also infected. Like over, Chev is infected,
• 40:04
  Primo is infected, everyone in that room is infected.
• 40:08
  But the the DNA only targeted those ones.
• 40:12
  But apparently the DNA didn't include Blofeld as as we assume
• 40:17
  because Safin has to give Madeline a different thing on
• 40:22
  her hand to to kill Blofeld. But it I'm like, if he had
• 40:27
  everybody else's DNA, do you feel like the scientist would
• 40:30
  have been like, oh, and we also want to kill Blofeld.
• 40:33
  Well, and that's, you know, that's where I'm thinking it was
• 40:38
  included. They just had to get Heracles in
• 40:42
  there. Like it's not necessarily that
• 40:45
  they had to reprogram it again, they just didn't know that Bond
• 40:49
  would be in there. Yeah, they didn't know Bond was
• 40:52
  going to be so. They had to infect someone else
• 40:54
  but. That would have been
• 40:56
  interesting, but maybe it was a bit of a jump to assume the
• 40:59
  audience would get that. Yeah, I'll, I'll give you that.
• 41:03
  We I can see why a movie would have to really tell us that
• 41:09
  that's happening. But yeah, now we're done with
• 41:12
  Paloma. She was in a bunch of the
• 41:15
  pictures or posters for the movies and yeah, she's barely in
• 41:19
  the movie. I think she's.
• 41:22
  Yeah, give it. That a really fantastic little
• 41:27
  bit of the movie with her. But oh, boy, I wish I had more.
• 41:31
  I wish we got so much more. She is.
• 41:36
  I'm gonna say it again for like the umpteenth time on this
• 41:39
  series. She's the most beautiful woman
• 41:42
  I've ever seen. Let's put her in a Bond movie.
• 41:46
  Who is it in 2026? Exactly like let's see.
• 41:50
  Amazon's problem. Yeah, let's see who they get.
• 41:54
  Who do they choose as the most beautiful woman in the world?
• 41:57
  But I I like it. I like what Heracles does.
• 42:03
  I like this was kind of the point in the movie where I was
• 42:08
  like, oh, like nanobots, like that's a very interesting idea
• 42:14
  for this. I don't know how they 'cause
• 42:16
  these like disease reactions though, but I'm willing to set
• 42:21
  that aside. They are carrying something and
• 42:25
  they only dispersed it once they verify the DNA or something like
• 42:28
  that. That's.
• 42:29
  That's the the explanation they give us in the movie.
• 42:32
  There's been a lot of like science fiction because
• 42:35
  obviously we don't have nanobots yet, but a lot of sci-fi will
• 42:39
  say that like the concept is a nanobot will self replicate and
• 42:44
  gather up all of the materials it needs in order to do whatever
• 42:49
  it needs to do to save the body. And then when it accomplishes
• 42:54
  its task, it allows itself to be disassembled in order for a new
• 42:58
  thing to be created. And the danger of it is, what if
• 43:03
  it stops recognizing the body as friendly and it starts eating
• 43:07
  the host? And then, and that's where this
• 43:10
  movie draws its opinion. What it does not do, and this is
• 43:15
  probably another criticism of the movie, it doesn't really
• 43:18
  establish why am I 6 or the British government would be
• 43:22
  interested in this if not as a weapon.
• 43:26
  Because the medical potential for nanotech in sci-fi is that
• 43:33
  any disease, any deficiency, any injury that should ever fall on
• 43:40
  the person with it will be corrected and the bots will do
• 43:44
  their best to stabilize and restart and perfect everything
• 43:49
  in the body. And they never say that.
• 43:51
  They never say this is like a medical, well, they might say
• 43:53
  this is for medical stuff, but they never say like, we're
• 43:57
  trying to develop something to make healthcare free forever.
• 44:02
  It's only ever seen as a weapon for this entire movie.
• 44:08
  And in that situation, the bad guy won.
• 44:11
  By the end of the movie, anyone who is infected is spreading it.
• 44:17
  We learned right away that at the funeral of these Spectre
• 44:21
  people, people just had to kiss their family members and their
• 44:26
  shared genetics was enough to kill them as well.
• 44:28
  Like you catch it by touching the skin.
• 44:32
  But how do you update the target DNA once you've released these
• 44:40
  nanobots? A plot hole above all else.
• 44:44
  Because OK, they're released with DNA.
• 44:47
  Cool. So though that set will target
• 44:50
  those people, do they? But then they can spread after
• 44:55
  the person's dead, even though the body is completely inert.
• 45:01
  But how if you want them to stop killing all those people that
• 45:05
  are descendants? Like how do you do that?
• 45:09
  Or what if you want? Can you make a new swarm every
• 45:11
  time? New Yeah, that's what I was
• 45:13
  going to say. Like if you want to kill new
• 45:14
  people, do you have to create a new version of Project Heracles
• 45:18
  that targets a new set of DNA like?
• 45:22
  It's hand waved away. We don't.
• 45:24
  We don't need to figure out how you get a software update to the
• 45:27
  nano plot killers. I mean, it's it's one of those
• 45:32
  tropes where film and television is like, you get the basic
• 45:36
  concept of nanobots. Don't don't ask any more
• 45:39
  questions, but then you ask the most important question for this
• 45:42
  movie. How do we get new?
• 45:45
  Targets. Yeah, because Bond eventually
• 45:50
  becomes unable to go back to his loved ones because he's infected
• 45:55
  again with some other target. It's a it will target their DNA.
• 46:02
  OK, but this is a new batch. OK.
• 46:04
  All right, Well, we will figure that out when we get to it.
• 46:08
  Right now, we say goodbye to Paloma.
• 46:11
  We have the scientist, Double O Seven kind of gets caught by the
• 46:18
  local police but escapes and we got to bring the scientist back
• 46:23
  to Felix because with the job is done, we successfully did a bond
• 46:28
  mission and we have the scientist.
• 46:34
  I I hate this part the boat. Yes.
• 46:40
  Which part? What do you hate about it?
• 46:41
  OK. It's good leading up to it, when
• 46:46
  Bond is interrogating Oberchev and you've got Ash screaming,
• 46:50
  you don't have to answer this. That's 100% State Department.
• 46:54
  I am good with it. I'm on board.
• 46:56
  I'm like, yeah, that sounds like something a politician would
• 46:59
  say. And then we find out he works
• 47:03
  for Saffin and he's going to go and kidnap Oberchev and he's he
• 47:10
  eventually accidentally shoots Felix lighter which also sucks.
• 47:18
  Sucks so bad. And then he blows up the boat,
• 47:22
  thinking that that's going to be enough to kill Bond, which, I
• 47:25
  mean, come on, that's never enough to kill Bond.
• 47:28
  But so I guess for me, the part that I don't really like is
• 47:36
  finding out that he works for Saffin, I'm fine with.
• 47:42
  Yeah, well, Ash, when Ash is like, yeah, when he turns, when
• 47:48
  Bond realizes he's a baddie, that's the part where I'm just
• 47:52
  like, oh, come on, Why was he even part of this mission?
• 47:55
  Like, so I think I, I'm on board with you where I'm like, why
• 47:59
  don't any of these people know each other?
• 48:03
  Yeah, scientist was abducted by Spectre, kills Spectre.
• 48:12
  We still need Ash to go in there and get the scientist.
• 48:17
  Yeah, why didn't Primo? Primo was obviously not a part
• 48:21
  of Spectre because he didn't get killed by the virus like.
• 48:26
  Yeah, he was off of the list. But they don't.
• 48:29
  They don't know each other. Well, yeah, and I guess, you
• 48:31
  know, Bond had captured over Chev, so you couldn't have Primo
• 48:36
  do it. Primo was not involved with it.
• 48:39
  So you do need someone inside. It's just there's just
• 48:45
  sometimes, and maybe this is the part that feels a little bit
• 48:48
  like Blofeld to me, where there are just sometimes in the Bond
• 48:52
  franchise where the villain is conveniently powerful and you're
• 48:57
  just like, oh, come on. You're so powerful that you
• 49:03
  managed to finally kill off Felix.
• 49:05
  And oh, this is probably where it felt like I had misjudged the
• 49:12
  movie on previous merits. Because Felix clutching Bond and
• 49:19
  both of them just kind of feeling at the end of the ropes,
• 49:24
  knowing that Bunt can't actually be supermanned and save both of
• 49:29
  them. Felix is already shot in the
• 49:31
  stomach. He's most likely not going to
• 49:33
  make it. There's no miracle that's going
• 49:36
  to save him even if he got him out of the ship because like
• 49:40
  there's a life raft that Bond ends up.
• 49:42
  It's a lighter who has to be like, let me go like this is the
• 49:45
  end. Like, oh, it yeah.
• 49:47
  Like it was pretty emotional. And that's what you get with
• 49:50
  Jeffrey Wright. He's so good.
• 49:54
  I felt like it was a great, what's a whole person in Bond
• 50:02
  where they did meet in Casino Royale and they are leaving
• 50:07
  eventually together in this movie, A whole arc of this.
• 50:15
  It kind of was the same with Mathis, yeah, but this one felt
• 50:22
  a little bit nicer to be it because it felt worse.
• 50:28
  Yeah, Mathis, you know, that was pretty heart wrenching and it
• 50:33
  felt pretty impactful considering the rest of the
• 50:36
  movie. But this time, like, we've had
• 50:39
  Felix dropping in periodically. Like he's, I think he's only
• 50:43
  been in three out of the five movies, but it's always been
• 50:48
  Jeffrey Wright and he's always been awesome.
• 50:50
  And he's clearly at this point, a friend to Bond.
• 50:56
  Like M will even say it later. Like, I'm sorry your friend
• 50:59
  died. Yeah.
• 51:01
  Yeah. But yeah, it's I really like it.
• 51:04
  I like it a lot so. I'm OK that Bond gets to survive
• 51:11
  and say goodbye to Felix, essentially.
• 51:14
  I feel like when he's on the life raft, he's kind of just
• 51:17
  catatonic staring at once he finally gets rescued by a boat
• 51:21
  that we kind of, it's all off screen.
• 51:23
  But the main idea of this scientist handoff was to get
• 51:30
  Bond and Felix together for Felix's death, and that
• 51:34
  accomplished so much. Like, I feel like it's the
• 51:37
  domino. The first domino toward the end
• 51:40
  of this movie is going to say goodbye to the franchise
• 51:45
  essentially, or at least this iteration with his actor and oh,
• 51:51
  because he's got the cigar still that he was going to give to
• 51:54
  Felix. That's why he's it feels a
• 51:56
  little bit like, oh. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:59
  Bond is missing a puppy or something.
• 52:04
  But now, I mean, he's John Wick, he's lost Felix, he's going to
• 52:09
  go after him. Maybe not quite so as a
• 52:11
  vendetta, as a. Yeah.
• 52:15
  It's not like. It's not like Quantum of Solace
• 52:19
  where Bond is like on a revenge mission.
• 52:22
  This is more like Bond was already planning on dealing with
• 52:27
  this situation, but now it's become personal.
• 52:30
  And so no one's going to be able to tell them not to deal with
• 52:34
  this situation. Like, it's just the way it's
• 52:37
  going to be. I don't know, it feels a little
• 52:38
  more mature than it did in Quantum of Solace.
• 52:42
  Yeah, and it's not quite the, oh, I can't remember the name of
• 52:48
  the movie. Felix is getting married and
• 52:51
  almost dies. License to Kill.
• 52:55
  Oh, yeah. So it's not, it's not that
• 53:01
  determined of a revenge movie where he's just throwing it like
• 53:05
  he's going to handle business. But along the way, we're just
• 53:09
  gathering tears and feelings. And.
• 53:15
  Bond eventually has to accept it at the end.
• 53:19
  I'm like what's up? Sad to see Felix go.
• 53:24
  I think you went out like I would expect Felix to.
• 53:30
  Yeah, I'm with you. I yeah, it's, it's, it's
• 53:35
  surprisingly heartbreaking for this, this dumb action movie.
• 53:40
  Yeah, yeah, They just feel like, I mean, maybe not too much the
• 53:47
  the main characters in they're not main characters.
• 53:51
  Murtaugh and Lethal Weapon where he's just.
• 53:54
  Too old for this shit. Yep, Yep, I'm excited.
• 53:58
  It's not the franchise. I'm excited to get to that one.
• 54:02
  I've not watched it. Oh man.
• 54:05
  I don't know since I was a teenager.
• 54:07
  Yeah, and I know I've seen all of them, but it's been many
• 54:11
  years, so I'm excited to watch them again one day.
• 54:14
  But well, let's keep on talking about this movie, because now,
• 54:18
  finally, Bond gets to go back to the UK.
• 54:23
  Felix is gone to doctor, the scientist is with Saffen via
• 54:30
  Ash, and Bond is back at headquarters.
• 54:33
  And I think everybody's still surprised to see him, maybe a
• 54:37
  little bit. And I think, I think before he
• 54:40
  goes to head, I'm trying to get my timeline set up, but I think
• 54:45
  he meets with Miss Moneypenny and Q 1st and then goes to MI 6
• 54:51
  because he's able to kind of blind side him with the fact
• 54:55
  that he knows everything and that's how he's able to get into
• 54:59
  Blofeld's cell. I think that's how he does it.
• 55:02
  I could have it mixed up but I do like the fact that Bond has
• 55:09
  his own mini MI6 with Miss Moneypenny and Queue.
• 55:15
  Just the people that we need get the right information, get the
• 55:19
  right technology and everything is good to go 'cause they are
• 55:24
  the ones that tell him that Blofeld only will see Madeline
• 55:28
  cause hey, guess what? Madeline's here.
• 55:30
  Your ex-girlfriend? Ex fiance?
• 55:33
  Who knows? Oh, man, yeah, I I don't love
• 55:39
  that. M just kind of is OK with the
• 55:43
  fact that two of his closest and highest ranking officials are
• 55:50
  willing to be loyal to bond over him.
• 55:55
  But he's just like, I mean, he's just like the principal at
• 55:58
  school. Yeah, in the last movie, he kind
• 56:01
  of was like, oh, Bond's on his own, essentially.
• 56:05
  Like maybe he that carries over a bit too well.
• 56:09
  Bond is able to ask people whatever he wants.
• 56:12
  But yeah, I could see where it would be.
• 56:15
  That's maybe a bad idea. Like there's straight up
• 56:18
  traitors, even if it is Bond, they're they're betraying their
• 56:24
  country and their organization. Like, but you know, it's Bond,
• 56:28
  it is different. Even when he is retired, he is
• 56:31
  still loyal to Queen and country.
• 56:34
  And so I, you know, give it up to bond.
• 56:38
  He is different. But yes, like you said, he finds
• 56:42
  out that Madeline is the only person that Blofeld will meet
• 56:46
  with. And so of course that raises
• 56:49
  every red flag. Like he's like, she betrayed me
• 56:52
  too. Like one of the assassins said
• 56:55
  that a daughter of Spectre will always be a daughter of Spectre.
• 56:58
  Like I have 100% reason to think that this is a bad idea to have
• 57:04
  the daughter of Spectre meeting with the head of Spectre.
• 57:07
  Like, come on. So I'm with Bond.
• 57:12
  Bond has his reasons. He's got his intuition.
• 57:15
  Exactly. Forged over years of being
• 57:18
  wrong. Exactly like we're about to find
• 57:20
  out just how wrong he is. But as an audience member, I'm
• 57:26
  sitting here thinking like he is justified.
• 57:30
  Justified based on what the movie has shown me.
• 57:34
  Like everything he's saying and feeling, it tracks.
• 57:38
  It just turns out the movie wasn't showing us everything,
• 57:41
  and that's pretty brilliant. To its credit.
• 57:46
  So like I mentioned, Saffen essentially like forces Madeline
• 57:53
  to use the perfume. So now Madeline is infected with
• 57:57
  Project Heracles, and therefore everyone she touches for the
• 58:01
  rest of the movie is going to be infected with Project Heracles.
• 58:07
  You know, but it's harmless. Yeah, you know.
• 58:10
  Unless it's programmed otherwise, but.
• 58:13
  Like microplastics? Exactly.
• 58:15
  Totally harmless. PFAZ like they're not going to
• 58:18
  do anything to us. Not that it's.
• 58:21
  Totally fine, don't worry. I do like that she chickens out.
• 58:27
  If this were Saffin's plan, like his plan fails, he doesn't know
• 58:32
  that Bond is in that room because he has no reason to.
• 58:38
  But if we were, if this were any other villain, this would be the
• 58:42
  time when Madeleine Swan is killed for failing the bad guy.
• 58:46
  You know, because she ran away. But you know.
• 58:51
  Bond grabbed her wrist. Yeah, I mean, it's an
• 58:58
  interesting thought to say. Who was the actual plan to kill
• 59:05
  Blofeld? Like White?
• 59:09
  I don't know. They go to Blofeld to speak with
• 59:14
  him. I'm trying to remember why they
• 59:17
  need information from him like he's the last person.
• 59:19
  The life inspector. What enemies did you have?
• 59:22
  You had 500. Yeah, like who's?
• 59:23
  Trying assassins, but who would try to kill you?
• 59:27
  I'm trying to remember why he needed to meet with Blofeld
• 59:32
  because because it is weird that like he would think Blofeld
• 59:38
  would know who's trying to kill him because anyone that's
• 59:41
  SPECTRE failed to kill is a potential suspect so I don't
• 59:46
  know why. He says they're trying to find
• 59:48
  out where Obergev had taken was taken with the nanobots.
• 59:54
  I'm not sure. I'm not sold that that movie
• 59:57
  tells us to think that Blofeld was the man that took.
• 1:00:03
  Albert Chev because Blofeld was SPECTRE so like I guess on Bond
• 1:00:10
  side they haven't heard of another villain so I guess
• 1:00:14
  that's their only villain that could go to for information.
• 1:00:17
  Sure. Someone from Spectre, someone
• 1:00:20
  who's making a play for power, maybe.
• 1:00:22
  Like, I don't know, I, I, I forgive a lot of it because I
• 1:00:28
  absolutely love when Blofeld volunteers the information that
• 1:00:34
  they had booby trapped Vesper's tomb years ago, like right after
• 1:00:41
  she died. It has been waiting for him to
• 1:00:44
  trigger that bomb forever. And it just so happened that
• 1:00:50
  this was the time he decided to go, Yeah, like, he's like,
• 1:00:56
  Blofeld is just reveling in the fact that he was able to not
• 1:01:00
  only really mess up Bond psychologically, but he killed
• 1:01:06
  their relationship. Him and Swan Blofeld
• 1:01:12
  accidentally caused a breakup. And.
• 1:01:16
  And he's so proud of that. He's like, wow, I can't believe
• 1:01:20
  that. I like it worked so well.
• 1:01:23
  And of course, eventually Bond will grab Blofeld by the neck
• 1:01:28
  and that's all it takes. That's all it takes.
• 1:01:33
  See, and I'm, so I'm reading the wiki as we go along and I see
• 1:01:39
  that even the wiki says that when Bond grabs Madeline's arm
• 1:01:44
  or wrist, that's when he infects himself.
• 1:01:47
  And I'm I'm still going to say when he was gassed a few scenes
• 1:01:53
  ago. All the other Spectre agents DNA
• 1:01:55
  nanobots. It's not like the nanobots
• 1:01:57
  ignored him. They went into his bloodstream
• 1:02:00
  in order. To.
• 1:02:01
  Yeah, like they have to inspect the DNA to know who to kill and
• 1:02:06
  not. Kill.
• 1:02:09
  Why wouldn't Blofeld be in that list?
• 1:02:11
  That data set. Exactly.
• 1:02:13
  He's part of Spectre. Put everybody in Spectre on that
• 1:02:16
  data set. Unless Saffin is so tedious that
• 1:02:19
  he's like Overchev target every member of Spectre except
• 1:02:24
  Blofeld, we're going to get him separately with a better virus.
• 1:02:30
  That's why he goes to meet with Madeleine, which apparently
• 1:02:33
  happens before Bond shows up at Blofeld's place.
• 1:02:37
  So we backtrack a little bit to hear more about Saffen.
• 1:02:40
  And I don't really, I feel like he tells the story of Madeline's
• 1:02:46
  dad killing his family, which was Mr. White killing Saffin's
• 1:02:51
  family. So he came back for revenge,
• 1:02:53
  which is the intro of this movie.
• 1:02:56
  But then we see him talk about saving the little girl, which
• 1:02:59
  was Madeline. And she gets essentially she
• 1:03:04
  puts it all together that oh, this is the guy.
• 1:03:06
  I couldn't tell from his face. He he gives her the mask and
• 1:03:10
  then she puts it all together. Like I was going to say, it's
• 1:03:15
  the. Same, I guess after he saved the
• 1:03:17
  little girl he just walked away because he had a mask on for the
• 1:03:22
  entire intro. So if.
• 1:03:24
  But then he like he saves her but then what does she like?
• 1:03:29
  I'm I'm a little lost in her back story.
• 1:03:31
  I mean, they don't tell us they don't.
• 1:03:33
  We will forever be lost. How long did he stay with her?
• 1:03:39
  Because that doesn't make a lot of.
• 1:03:41
  Sense I think the only way it works is if he leaves
• 1:03:46
  immediately after rescuing the child and then deciding to watch
• 1:03:51
  her the same way he watches everyone else because he's just
• 1:03:54
  a voyeur until he gets a bunch of power.
• 1:03:59
  That's the only way it makes sense in my head.
• 1:04:01
  Because otherwise she would have recognized his face because the
• 1:04:06
  the little bit of the mask that gets broken off reveals some of
• 1:04:10
  his scarring. So his scarring existed ever
• 1:04:14
  since she first met him. So she would have recognized him
• 1:04:21
  if she ever saw his full face. But.
• 1:04:25
  I guess it's not. I feel like the interview is
• 1:04:29
  supposed to give us more back story but I literally can't
• 1:04:33
  remember much else than him telling the story and showing
• 1:04:37
  her the mask. Yeah, and I don't think it was
• 1:04:39
  meant to give us back story. I think it was meant to show us
• 1:04:41
  how creepy Saffin is, because I got big creepy vibes from him.
• 1:04:46
  It's like, oh, he's so gross. He does a good job with the
• 1:04:53
  voice and everything. But yeah, that that does.
• 1:04:59
  You know, one of the things that Blofeld tells Bond, jumping back
• 1:05:04
  to where we were, was that this whole time, Madeline has been in
• 1:05:07
  love with Bond. Even after they broke up, she
• 1:05:11
  never moved on. Yeah.
• 1:05:16
  Because he's been asking her those questions when they meet
• 1:05:19
  I. Guess somehow they're
• 1:05:21
  comfortable enough with each other that she's willing to to
• 1:05:24
  get relationship advice from the biggest criminal in the world.
• 1:05:30
  Somehow the emperor returned. Yeah.
• 1:05:34
  And he knows all these things. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:38
  But you know, it's it's enough for Bond to need to track
• 1:05:43
  Madeline down. But again, I think Bond is
• 1:05:47
  tracking her down because he still thinks that she's evil.
• 1:05:53
  Like he's coming here to be like, who killed Blofeld?
• 1:05:57
  Clearly you stopped working for Spectre and are now working for
• 1:06:04
  Saphen. Well, whoever else is out there,
• 1:06:06
  he doesn't know yet. But so I like, I don't know.
• 1:06:11
  I'm conflicted. He comes in, he's not as brutal.
• 1:06:15
  He's not coming. Does he come in with a gun?
• 1:06:19
  Like I can't remember what he does.
• 1:06:23
  Comes in, I think she's there because that's where she went
• 1:06:32
  and then they talk like immediately kind of make up and
• 1:06:37
  then the little girl shows up. Yeah, she's calling from
• 1:06:40
  upstairs. I first time watching it, I
• 1:06:44
  think I was surprised. I did not expect a little kid.
• 1:06:48
  And then it was like, oh, they didn't see each other for five
• 1:06:54
  years. And this little kid again as you
• 1:06:57
  go past for five years old I. Suppose.
• 1:07:03
  Complication. I first, I'm watching, I
• 1:07:05
  chuckled. Because it's like, oh, what?
• 1:07:08
  Bond accidentally had a kid and he didn't.
• 1:07:11
  How did he do that? Never had a kid.
• 1:07:16
  How did he do it after his balls were crushed?
• 1:07:19
  Yeah, there's an origin story for why he is infertile and, you
• 1:07:22
  know, essentially not able to have kids.
• 1:07:25
  But no, he finally. When she's like etiquette, it's
• 1:07:29
  not your child. I immediately believed her.
• 1:07:32
  I was like, of course it's not his child.
• 1:07:33
  Like there's no way he's shooting anything but blanks.
• 1:07:37
  I saw what happened to him. Oh yeah, you don't find that out
• 1:07:43
  until the end. Yes, it wasn't.
• 1:07:46
  Even though they digitally enhanced this little girl's eyes
• 1:07:49
  to look exactly like Daniel Craig's eyes, we're not supposed
• 1:07:53
  to believe that Matilda is. Well, I didn't know that you
• 1:07:57
  just broke it. Well, it could be context.
• 1:07:59
  It could also just be that she has strikingly blue eyes.
• 1:08:02
  They just look exactly like Daniel Craig's.
• 1:08:05
  And so I'm sitting here thinking, well, why not do that
• 1:08:09
  digitally? Like if you need a child to have
• 1:08:12
  the exact same eyes as another actor, then you know, just go in
• 1:08:18
  frame by frame and do it that way.
• 1:08:23
  Oh, so then they they reconcile Mathilde's there.
• 1:08:26
  You kind of get a little bit of bond questioning it, She says
• 1:08:29
  it's not your kid. And then the I think 007 says
• 1:08:36
  that oh, or, and somebody tells him that they're tracking Logan
• 1:08:40
  Ash and Logan Ash is close and he's like confused, Oh, why
• 1:08:44
  would you guys be tracking me? And we're like, oh, so they're
• 1:08:48
  coming to get you and Bond is like 60 seconds ahead of them.
• 1:08:53
  They managed to leave the house all together.
• 1:08:58
  It's a fun, it's a fun different, a set up then
• 1:09:01
  normally like oh, they're after us and oh, they immediately see
• 1:09:06
  us like oh, maybe we gave them. The it's nice to have Bond being
• 1:09:10
  at least one step ahead. Like even if he's barely ahead,
• 1:09:15
  I don't love that it's Ash who is chasing him.
• 1:09:18
  That part didn't make total sense to me because I'm like why
• 1:09:22
  did someone in the state department go to Norway?
• 1:09:25
  Like that's that's weird. Like, wouldn't his passport get
• 1:09:29
  checked? But whatever, I don't know.
• 1:09:32
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:09:33
  The movie wants us to to believe it, so I'll believe it.
• 1:09:37
  Saffin or not Saffin Ash will eventually die at this point,
• 1:09:42
  but it's. The car chase is OK.
• 1:09:47
  I, I feel like it was nice that he got rid of the first two that
• 1:09:50
  they saw and then seven more show up and it, it gets a little
• 1:09:55
  bit more desperate to think that, oh, Bond with one gun and
• 1:10:00
  a car is going to make it. Out of and it's not AQ tech car,
• 1:10:03
  it does not have bulletproof no anything.
• 1:10:06
  It is just a normal commuter vehicle that Bond is trying to
• 1:10:10
  escape with a mother and child, so it feels like it has some
• 1:10:15
  steaks. Nobody gets hurt.
• 1:10:17
  So it didn't really have steaks, but it is affected.
• 1:10:22
  Some bad guys died. Yeah, yeah, some people died.
• 1:10:26
  Just none of the main characters, which is fine, it
• 1:10:30
  just serves for Saffen to pick up and.
• 1:10:33
  We do get to learn a little bit about Saffen's back story.
• 1:10:37
  We get to learn that his family was a family of poisoners and
• 1:10:44
  that's always interesting to me. Like the art of poison is one of
• 1:10:51
  those things where I absolutely believe anyone who who hates
• 1:10:55
  those particular practitioners. Like, I can totally buy that
• 1:11:00
  either Mr. White independently or Mr. White under the orders of
• 1:11:04
  Spectre would be like, let's poison the poisoners, they're
• 1:11:10
  too good at this, let's just get rid of them.
• 1:11:14
  We need their something. Yeah, we need their.
• 1:11:17
  We need their island. Oh, poison.
• 1:11:19
  Yes, gardens. I mean, oh, isn't that.
• 1:11:25
  I feel like it's like, you know, a Lion King, where last time it
• 1:11:30
  was the Count of Monte Cristo. This guy is just Simba coming
• 1:11:33
  back to the family garden to yeah rule again.
• 1:11:38
  Yeah, I mean, he took over from Scar.
• 1:11:41
  Now we're just seeing what happens when another lion comes
• 1:11:44
  in and decides to take over. So I mean that this Saffin still
• 1:11:52
  is just mostly creepy and poison kind of fits with the nanobot.
• 1:11:59
  So you know, I'm OK with it. He's not until they talk
• 1:12:04
  together about how similar they are.
• 1:12:06
  I don't feel like he's a super villain.
• 1:12:10
  He just has access to the things.
• 1:12:14
  Yeah, he just feels overly powerful, but not particularly
• 1:12:18
  super. Yeah, not strong in the sense
• 1:12:22
  that I think what and the last one or no in Quantum of Solace,
• 1:12:28
  once Bond gets one-on-one with bad guy from Quantum Solace,
• 1:12:33
  whatever. Green.
• 1:12:36
  He beats him up real easy. Same thing with this one.
• 1:12:40
  Unless you got a gun in the drop on Bond, he's going to beat you
• 1:12:44
  in a melee fight. Yeah.
• 1:12:46
  You are not prepared to go one-on-one with Bond in any
• 1:12:51
  situation. I do like that Saffin is able to
• 1:12:55
  capture Madeline and Matilda, if only because we need to have
• 1:13:03
  some kind of stakes. Like if if it's just that Saffin
• 1:13:09
  is alone on this island, then we'll just bomb it.
• 1:13:12
  You know, just bomb it until there is no more island and it
• 1:13:16
  is just sea again. But because there are civilians
• 1:13:21
  on the island now bond and know me have to talk am into letting
• 1:13:25
  them invade. So you know, for me, I'm like,
• 1:13:30
  great, we get more movie. But I mean I don't want to jump
• 1:13:36
  to the end of the rescue mission but essentially all the lead up
• 1:13:41
  to Bond having to rescue them from the island.
• 1:13:46
  I I, I enjoy it and I enjoy the mission happening.
• 1:13:51
  I am just lost when he has to go open the sunroof again for the
• 1:14:02
  missile silos and. I think I know what you're
• 1:14:06
  talking about and I I. Feel like he doesn't have to.
• 1:14:10
  He doesn't have, I don't know, he gets the drop on Bond, the
• 1:14:17
  the bad guy gets the drop on Bond.
• 1:14:21
  But that's, that's jumping ahead.
• 1:14:22
  I'm prepared to say I don't love how we end the rescue mission.
• 1:14:32
  I'm OK with it, but let's do the rescue mission because the first
• 1:14:37
  thing I need to point out, and I should have pointed this out,
• 1:14:40
  maybe in the last movie we were told Q is afraid of flying in
• 1:14:47
  Skyfall. Like, that was the reason why
• 1:14:50
  Miss Moneypenny had to go and deliver like one more gadget to
• 1:14:57
  Bond was because Q was too afraid to fly.
• 1:15:01
  And then like, now he's literally in the plane when the
• 1:15:06
  door, the back door is gonna open and he's totally calm.
• 1:15:10
  Like, he's more upset about his papers being blown around.
• 1:15:14
  And I'm just like, this dude is afraid of flying.
• 1:15:17
  Why did we give up on that characterization within one
• 1:15:20
  movie and just never address it again?
• 1:15:22
  Oh, we all forgot about it, Yeah.
• 1:15:25
  So that's I just I just needed I didn't point it out in the last
• 1:15:28
  episode. I and now I have no excuse not
• 1:15:31
  to because he's literally in the plane like but I do like their
• 1:15:36
  glider, the Q tech glider that I get like that's.
• 1:15:39
  Pretty cool Bund always belongs under the water ever since.
• 1:15:44
  Moon Maker he has. He has always been in his
• 1:15:50
  element when he can fight underwater, or at least.
• 1:15:55
  Do something underwater. Yeah, yeah, I I like the
• 1:16:01
  infiltration. I like the the jet.
• 1:16:03
  I don't understand how no one sees it, but I guess if it's a
• 1:16:07
  very bare bones operation, you probably don't have that many
• 1:16:12
  exterior guards, especially ones looking at the sky.
• 1:16:16
  But it's not every day that you see this black object fly from
• 1:16:22
  the sky and crash into the water.
• 1:16:25
  Like I would think that would get someone's attention, but it
• 1:16:28
  got no one's attention. It just disappeared.
• 1:16:31
  We approached from the right direction of this island.
• 1:16:35
  Perfect blind spot that also happened to be an opening right
• 1:16:40
  inside. And because this is an old World
• 1:16:43
  War 2 Japanese base, you know, they've got some infrastructure
• 1:16:51
  already built in, much of it in disrepair, including this
• 1:16:56
  submarine launching Bay that they get into.
• 1:17:00
  I, I like the disrepair. I like the arches that are kind
• 1:17:04
  of at an angle and look like they're falling apart.
• 1:17:06
  I don't. Know how does it feel like
• 1:17:08
  Alcatraz in the Rock? Yeah, like it's not actually in
• 1:17:12
  use, but what is in it. Yeah, like, oh, that part I
• 1:17:16
  like. I like when things that have
• 1:17:19
  been abandoned have suddenly been reclaimed but not
• 1:17:23
  refinished or touched at all. Just now we're using it as is.
• 1:17:32
  So I, I like the design of some of this stuff that we're gonna
• 1:17:36
  see. I like the giant imposing room,
• 1:17:41
  the hallway that we go into immediately to, you know, find
• 1:17:46
  our control room. It's got like mostly shadow, but
• 1:17:52
  then like nice rectangles of light.
• 1:17:54
  But they're talking. Yeah, that's a nice little.
• 1:17:57
  You got all these people in hazmat suits in the water and
• 1:18:02
  walking. Around get on the poison I
• 1:18:05
  guess. Yeah, I don't.
• 1:18:08
  OK, My part of the movie that I don't understand is why poison
• 1:18:13
  like they're making a nanobot virus, Why is the delivery
• 1:18:19
  method so connected to poison? And furthermore, why is it that
• 1:18:25
  if you touch it in its raw form, it melts you essentially?
• 1:18:33
  Yeah, I don't know. That's the part of this
• 1:18:35
  conclusion that I'm like, what? Because it would look cool.
• 1:18:39
  They couldn't figure out, they couldn't figure out anything
• 1:18:42
  else. I think when he's in the control
• 1:18:45
  room, they find Obrichev and kind of corners all the
• 1:18:49
  scientists. He says something like, oh, you
• 1:18:52
  know, those little the, the water, whatever that those
• 1:18:56
  people are tending to is the farm.
• 1:18:59
  And in here is the factory where they actually make the nanobots.
• 1:19:03
  Or process them again like. Yeah, the farming activity,
• 1:19:07
  whatever is there is poisonous, not necessarily the end result.
• 1:19:13
  Nanobots. It's yeah, it's just the hay.
• 1:19:17
  I don't know. OK, I will live with that.
• 1:19:20
  It's the raw material that will become the nanobots.
• 1:19:25
  Super nanobots, yeah. Apparently nanobots grow on
• 1:19:30
  trees, or at least in poison. Poison that they put in them.
• 1:19:36
  Maybe that's how it works. It's like they deliver disease.
• 1:19:39
  They deliver poison once they find the right DNAI suppose.
• 1:19:44
  I Oh my gosh, there's OK, there's 1 little trope that I
• 1:19:52
  kind of dislike. And that's when you have to
• 1:19:56
  suddenly make a bad guy more of a bad guy to somehow justify why
• 1:20:02
  you need to kill him. These, these are people with a
• 1:20:05
  license to kill. They can kill whoever the hell
• 1:20:07
  they want to kill, but for some reason we need Obrachev to get
• 1:20:11
  real racist real fast. He just starts cut, you know,
• 1:20:17
  using every dog whistle that you can think of until Nomi kicks
• 1:20:22
  him into the poison. She has to say her her bond
• 1:20:26
  quip. But yeah, I think it was.
• 1:20:29
  I mean, granted, we didn't hear much from Gorbachev, but yeah,
• 1:20:34
  this is OK. It's justified.
• 1:20:37
  Kick him in. It is time to die.
• 1:20:39
  It's just like, to me, he's always been, you know, justified
• 1:20:44
  in being killed. You guys have a license to kill.
• 1:20:47
  Like, you're allowed to do it, especially with the bad guys.
• 1:20:51
  But, you know, just so the audience is aware that this is
• 1:20:54
  indeed the bad guy, we also got to make sure that for like, his
• 1:20:58
  last three lines, he gets real, real racist.
• 1:21:02
  And I agree, kick the racist off the Cliff, like, 100%.
• 1:21:06
  I'm good with it. But it's just weird that like,
• 1:21:10
  the already bad guy needs to be made into the bad guy.
• 1:21:15
  I'm already good with killing him.
• 1:21:16
  Just kill him. Make sure that you don't have
• 1:21:20
  any empathy left for him. And then comes the scene that
• 1:21:25
  you texted me that you were watching, and when you texted it
• 1:21:29
  to me, oh boy, it all came rushing back.
• 1:21:32
  It might be my favorite image in the movie.
• 1:21:35
  I really liked it. Let.
• 1:21:37
  Me go back to my text because I'm trying to remember oh oh.
• 1:21:47
  The way you describe it makes me think you didn't like it as much
• 1:21:50
  as I did like. I think it's when I went back to
• 1:21:55
  write down where I was. Bond and Saffen have a meet up
• 1:22:00
  where Bond surrenders his weapons.
• 1:22:02
  They're surrounded by guards, but Saffen is sitting on the
• 1:22:05
  floor with Matilde being. So creepy.
• 1:22:10
  So gross and creepy. I like, I think the motivations
• 1:22:15
  are kind of explored a little bit.
• 1:22:17
  Bond definitely holds the ground as being sane.
• 1:22:21
  We are not both heroes that are just killing people to make life
• 1:22:28
  more efficient. But Saffin's worldview of, well,
• 1:22:33
  people are just expecting to live how they're told to live
• 1:22:37
  and then die without seeing it coming.
• 1:22:40
  And it's like, I can, I can understand that's a that's a way
• 1:22:44
  that you're explaining your, your personality.
• 1:22:49
  But it feels a bit like low key in The Avengers where he's like,
• 1:22:55
  oh, you guys are meant to be ruled over.
• 1:22:57
  Yeah, well, that's your opinion, and it's pretty damn.
• 1:23:02
  We don't love it and it's. Whenever you get these people
• 1:23:05
  who are like no more free will humans have to be controlled,
• 1:23:10
  they always, whether this is real life or fiction, they
• 1:23:14
  always believe they are the only ones who have the answers.
• 1:23:18
  They would never volunteer to be controlled by someone else.
• 1:23:23
  And that's one of those things that I think about in our modern
• 1:23:26
  world where I'm like, you may think that your way is the best
• 1:23:31
  way, but if your way is forced upon you, you're suddenly going
• 1:23:35
  to dislike that way real, real fast.
• 1:23:37
  Like, no one wants to have anything forced upon them, even
• 1:23:42
  the things that they think they like.
• 1:23:44
  I think that's just not the way it is.
• 1:23:45
  So, yeah, Saffin completely. Just like the dude from Skyfall,
• 1:23:51
  my favorite guy, and I've completely forgotten his name.
• 1:23:55
  He also was like, I'm fully justified.
• 1:23:58
  I have the best thinking. And Bond was like, no, no, you
• 1:24:02
  don't. Yeah, Silva.
• 1:24:04
  And he's like, you don't. You don't know anything you
• 1:24:06
  don't like. You are completely off base.
• 1:24:09
  We are nothing like each other. And now I'm going to shoot your
• 1:24:12
  bodyguards. Yeah.
• 1:24:15
  Yeah, writing it down made it seem sillier than it looks
• 1:24:20
  because the the trapdoor in the mainstage that the whatever
• 1:24:26
  actor is making a deal with Mephistopheles goes to hell
• 1:24:31
  through just opens up for staff and to disappear, whence Bond
• 1:24:37
  pulls his hidden gun and kills the guards.
• 1:24:40
  It's like, OK, I mean that if you have already kind of invited
• 1:24:46
  Bond into this room and you know that that's there, I can see it
• 1:24:49
  as a valid escape. But also it feels too prepared.
• 1:24:56
  Is this still a World War One bunk, World War 2 bunker or or
• 1:25:01
  what? Clearly it's had some upgrades.
• 1:25:04
  A couple. They didn't leave everything in
• 1:25:06
  disrepair I guess. But didn't they say this was
• 1:25:09
  Saffin's family home? Like, yeah.
• 1:25:12
  His family had already been using this disputed island way
• 1:25:18
  back in the Spectre days so like I can believe that they would
• 1:25:23
  have a few upgrades and he wouldn't need to do anything.
• 1:25:28
  Like he would already know that these things are there because
• 1:25:30
  they were there the whole time. Like this is his childhood home,
• 1:25:35
  this is his Skyfall, so he knows the he's.
• 1:25:39
  Got the trap doors? Yeah, just.
• 1:25:41
  Pulled get him out of get him out of range of bond which.
• 1:25:47
  I. OK.
• 1:25:49
  Yeah, and I was way more nervous about it than any other time in
• 1:25:55
  a movie. I was like, the the little girl
• 1:25:57
  has been kidnapped again. Like, how is Bond going to save
• 1:26:01
  her? On top of that, you've got Primo
• 1:26:04
  trying to poison Madeline, because Madeline absolutely
• 1:26:09
  knows what that drink is. That's Primo is trying to make
• 1:26:13
  her drink. And then?
• 1:26:15
  Like. Yeah, it's very much on the
• 1:26:18
  side. And I don't even, I don't even
• 1:26:20
  know. I'm pretty sure Primo dies from
• 1:26:23
  this, but it's possible that he died from the bombing of the
• 1:26:26
  island and. He's just blinded.
• 1:26:31
  That's right. So this, this the, the thing I'm
• 1:26:34
  talking about is when Swan gets her poison tea, she throws it
• 1:26:39
  into Primo's face so she can escape.
• 1:26:41
  And I think at the same time Matild Matild is biting Saffin
• 1:26:49
  so she can escape. So it's like mother and daughter
• 1:26:53
  are so similar to each other and they mother finds bond and then
• 1:26:58
  eventually bond and mother reunite with daughter.
• 1:27:04
  But I do remember just thinking like, wow, like way to be mom
• 1:27:09
  and daughter. Like both of you are just going
• 1:27:11
  to fight your way out. Survive and make it through.
• 1:27:14
  I think that was a good way to show her personality.
• 1:27:21
  She's not gonna just drink the tea and die.
• 1:27:25
  She's gonna do try and blind the guy and escape and she
• 1:27:30
  successfully escapes. It doesn't blind him, but.
• 1:27:34
  He's he's back on his feet and he's able to fight very soon.
• 1:27:37
  But yeah, I I do just remember thinking, what, you know,
• 1:27:42
  Mathilde's escape by itself. You could argue, well, she's
• 1:27:47
  we're gonna learn she's Bond's daughter.
• 1:27:49
  We did learn that she is absolutely Bond's daughter.
• 1:27:52
  It was the last sequence where Saffin was like, oh, you didn't
• 1:27:55
  know this is your daughter. And we're all like, we all knew.
• 1:27:59
  We all knew. Come on.
• 1:28:00
  Like, you can't lie to us. Anyway, you could make the
• 1:28:06
  argument, well, that's just Bond's daughter.
• 1:28:07
  Of course she's going to be actiony and she's going to bite
• 1:28:11
  the arm and run away. But we also get to see that
• 1:28:14
  Madeline Swan is an equal to Bond because she's willing to
• 1:28:19
  fight for her survival as well. And that kind of makes what's
• 1:28:24
  coming even more heartbreaking because when they finally
• 1:28:27
  reconcile, I finally believe the relationship.
• 1:28:31
  Yeah, it was. It was nice and then he's like,
• 1:28:36
  I'll be back in a few and. Oh.
• 1:28:38
  It's just heartbreaking. But at least it's the reverse of
• 1:28:45
  On Her Majesty. 'S Secret Service, it feels very
• 1:28:49
  heroic overall in the sense that as a young boy you make up
• 1:28:55
  scenarios of where you're at the hero and you you die saving
• 1:29:00
  something. And it's like, well, I mean,
• 1:29:03
  Bond is for essentially the same audience mentality as maybe Star
• 1:29:12
  Wars heroes can make it happen, maybe a little more violent in
• 1:29:16
  the Star Wars, but I don't know. Nobody's been beheaded like in
• 1:29:19
  Star Wars. Star Wars will cut off a lot
• 1:29:22
  more limbs. We've had two people get ground
• 1:29:25
  up. Yeah, in Bond movies, but yeah,
• 1:29:29
  we haven't had as many limbs getting chopped off.
• 1:29:32
  I think it's where the movie is not felt too long.
• 1:29:36
  It's a nice bond is is getting worn down by all of what's
• 1:29:43
  happening on this last mission to open the hatches so that the
• 1:29:48
  poison things can be exploded. 'Cause he sends no me, Madeline
• 1:29:52
  and Matilde away. And like you said, he's like,
• 1:29:56
  I'll be right there, but then immediately he has to fight
• 1:29:59
  Primo, right, 'cause he has to fight below.
• 1:30:03
  He gets the best of Primo and then he starts going upstairs.
• 1:30:07
  And he gets shot. Hold on, he gets the best of
• 1:30:11
  Primo because of an EMP watch from Q that explodes his bionic
• 1:30:17
  eye killing. I forgot about the exploding eye
• 1:30:22
  and I can't believe I forgot about what a wonderful death for
• 1:30:25
  a Bond movie. Like that was probably the
• 1:30:28
  silliest one out of all of the movie.
• 1:30:31
  See in what? Yeah, in this movie, that's the
• 1:30:34
  silliest. I'm still going to say License
• 1:30:36
  to Kill Pressure Chamber is the most ridiculous Bond death of
• 1:30:41
  them all. That one's.
• 1:30:42
  Hard to talk but. He was ridiculous, He.
• 1:30:46
  Opens the doors without getting shot.
• 1:30:48
  He comes back out and then the doors are closed.
• 1:30:54
  You're never going. To destroy the factory if the
• 1:30:57
  doors are closed. He investigates and then he gets
• 1:31:00
  shot and it's like, oh, he got the drop on bond.
• 1:31:03
  I'm going to back up though and argue what sort.
• 1:31:10
  These are missile silos. They don't have missiles in
• 1:31:14
  them. Where is the virus going if we
• 1:31:20
  don't want to fire missiles at it?
• 1:31:24
  Like, where is it going? Like there's buyers coming.
• 1:31:28
  Yeah, they listed a bunch of other countries that were on
• 1:31:31
  their way to make the purchase. So that we don't want them to
• 1:31:37
  buy this stuff, but we can't tell anybody that we made this
• 1:31:41
  mega virus. What if we told everybody and
• 1:31:46
  then everybody else came in to make sure nothing left the
• 1:31:51
  island? I think by that point they are
• 1:31:55
  there as interested buyers. I don't think you could convince
• 1:31:59
  them to leave the island. I think at that point they're
• 1:32:02
  like, well, you are MI 6, you developed it, clearly you have
• 1:32:06
  it, we want it too. That's that's what I would say.
• 1:32:12
  I was like, why do we have to blow this up?
• 1:32:15
  I know that so Bond can finish and be dead, but I was just
• 1:32:22
  like, why can't we hold off for a second and go methodically
• 1:32:28
  through it, make sure everybody's dead and then
• 1:32:31
  dispose of it. But okay.
• 1:32:34
  I mean, they had already fired the missiles.
• 1:32:36
  Like you're on a timer now. You can't tell.
• 1:32:40
  Like if we know anything about the British, it's when you fire
• 1:32:44
  a missile you absolutely cannot stop.
• 1:32:46
  It you can't stop it, the. One and only time that we've
• 1:32:49
  ever tried to stop a missile, it failed.
• 1:32:54
  Yeah. So I agree with you.
• 1:32:56
  They could have stopped the missiles.
• 1:32:58
  They were clearly close enough that they could have hit the
• 1:33:01
  abort button and destroyed all of them.
• 1:33:04
  But that's not dramatic. Nope.
• 1:33:07
  We get to. We get to have, I don't know, 5
• 1:33:12
  minutes of. Oh, I missed something.
• 1:33:18
  Oh, I mean the fight with Saffen is.
• 1:33:22
  See, but there's something that I'm reading in the wiki that I
• 1:33:24
  missed in the viewing of the movie, and I'm going to have to
• 1:33:26
  watch the movie again to verify it.
• 1:33:29
  Saffen infects Bond 1/3 time, but now with bots that are
• 1:33:35
  genetically coded for Madeline and Mathilde, so Bond cannot
• 1:33:41
  ever be reunited with them. And we know there's no cure.
• 1:33:45
  They've kept telling us over and over and over.
• 1:33:48
  Right now, like these bots were invented.
• 1:33:53
  Go into quarantine, live in prison in MI 6 while Hugh works
• 1:33:58
  around the clock developing a cure.
• 1:34:01
  Video calls and stuff. I That's where it's like, OK,
• 1:34:06
  Bond has accepted that he's kind of bleeding out from getting
• 1:34:11
  shot by Saffin and he's. He's at least not fast enough to
• 1:34:15
  run away anymore. It would be it would be
• 1:34:18
  difficult to get away from the missiles that they show coming
• 1:34:22
  and so. They just have that added bit
• 1:34:25
  that I missed completely. I like in my head he he was
• 1:34:30
  staying on the island because he was shot.
• 1:34:32
  I had no like I had completely missed that he had become a bomb
• 1:34:38
  for the two people he loved. That's that.
• 1:34:42
  Like it. It makes sense in this being his
• 1:34:46
  final movie as the actor. So I couldn't be like, oh, just
• 1:34:51
  let him get away like he did. He did have his time away with
• 1:34:58
  this woman that he loves and it's a hero's death where he
• 1:35:04
  gets to to call one last time. And I do think the acceptance
• 1:35:11
  and reaction of Q and Bond being just like in each other's ear
• 1:35:16
  for however many years might have been as emotional as him
• 1:35:24
  talking with Madeline because Q is just up in an airplane and
• 1:35:31
  completely helpless to to do anything that we like.
• 1:35:34
  He Madeline is helpless, but Q has like gadgets and stuff that
• 1:35:39
  he's always gotten Bond out of a jam and.
• 1:35:42
  I was going to say we were introduced to him being so
• 1:35:45
  arrogant and saying that he could do more from his chair
• 1:35:49
  than Bond could ever do on the field, and now he's being proven
• 1:35:54
  100% wrong. Yeah, there is nothing Q can do
• 1:35:58
  from the computer. So that felt like that felt like
• 1:36:02
  Felix, but Q was Bond this time. Like, well, got to let him go
• 1:36:09
  and aw man. And then the conversation with
• 1:36:14
  Madeline also worked for me. Like it it worked for me.
• 1:36:19
  And I was shocked. I was genuinely shocked that
• 1:36:22
  they killed Bond because the missile strike, there is no
• 1:36:26
  ambiguity. No, he is in that explosion.
• 1:36:31
  Yeah. Bond is 100% dead at you know.
• 1:36:36
  It just feels. In the movie.
• 1:36:38
  It just feels impossible though, like it really does.
• 1:36:41
  What if he just snuck out of the explosion somehow?
• 1:36:47
  Or if he was blown off the island into the water and
• 1:36:50
  survived just like he did at the beginning of the movie, like he
• 1:36:54
  was. He's been blown up many times in
• 1:36:56
  this arc of movies. Yeah.
• 1:37:01
  I think it was. It was fitting and I think it's
• 1:37:05
  supposed to be sad, and it was. It worked for me.
• 1:37:09
  I was, I was sad. I wasn't crying like it.
• 1:37:12
  Like, this wasn't by any means a truly deeply emotional movie for
• 1:37:17
  me, but I really was like, wow, like that was really effective
• 1:37:21
  for a dumb Bond movie. Like, I've watched 24 of these
• 1:37:26
  things and have never felt anything but like, oh, that was
• 1:37:29
  cool or that was kind of dumb. And now I'm like, wow, that was
• 1:37:33
  really kind of emotional. Yeah, I think it was a nice to
• 1:37:43
  see how the rest of the team reacts and how Madeline and
• 1:37:49
  Matild kind of accept like all of this, all of this stuff that
• 1:37:55
  Bond essentially did for them to help them survive and.
• 1:38:00
  Well, let's get to that by. Some self to do.
• 1:38:03
  Because the epilogue, like you just essentially mentioned the
• 1:38:06
  two parts of the epilogue. Like, yeah, we've got the people
• 1:38:09
  who are watching it happen Live 26, where we've got the main
• 1:38:14
  cast, including Tanner. And I do kind of find it silly
• 1:38:18
  that people are like, oh, and Tanner's here too, but you know,
• 1:38:23
  he was here too. He's been here the whole
• 1:38:25
  franchise. But the part that really kind of
• 1:38:31
  touched me harder than any other part of this movie, The part
• 1:38:33
  that almost did crack me and get me to cry, was when they poured,
• 1:38:39
  they had a drink for everyone, including Bond.
• 1:38:42
  And then I think it's M who reaches down and there's a close
• 1:38:45
  up of the glass and he just taps his to the the unaccounted for
• 1:38:51
  or Bond's drink, I guess. And that was the part where I
• 1:38:55
  was like, oh, it really feels real.
• 1:38:58
  Now like. Oh man, he really is gone.
• 1:39:01
  He's like this Bond is dead, 100% dead.
• 1:39:05
  Yeah, we still. Have a double O 7 in this
• 1:39:08
  universe but James Bond. Is a dead man and and I felt it
• 1:39:16
  most when M clinked his drink to Bond's drink.
• 1:39:21
  Oh, I'm feeling it now. I'm like.
• 1:39:26
  And then yeah, the final, the final final with Madeline and
• 1:39:30
  Matilde driving together. The road almost felt like the
• 1:39:34
  opening Rd. in Quantum of Solace, but it is the.
• 1:39:37
  Opening Rd. from the beginning of this movie where Bond is over
• 1:39:41
  there, but it is a curvy road and I will say, you know.
• 1:39:46
  Just because we had just had that MI 6 scene and then we're
• 1:39:50
  watching a car driving. In my head I was like, oh, we're
• 1:39:54
  going to see that. Somehow Bond made it.
• 1:39:56
  And you know, he's there. He is, but somehow it's just
• 1:40:00
  Madeline and Matilda or Matilde in that car.
• 1:40:05
  Heart wrenching. Yeah, but you know, she's going
• 1:40:09
  to tell the story of James Bond. I do think that.
• 1:40:14
  I mean for the most. Part Most funerals in
• 1:40:18
  remembrances just kind of gloss over maybe our flaws.
• 1:40:24
  So this one essentially is, you know, for all of the bad parts
• 1:40:29
  of bond, all of the bond, there were a lot of them.
• 1:40:32
  There were a lot. Oh boy, we've got lists.
• 1:40:37
  Save the day at the end and everybody is.
• 1:40:42
  Safe and healthy. And it's like, and that's his
• 1:40:49
  hero's journey. It's interesting, enjoyable way
• 1:40:55
  to end it. Like I wrote down that when I
• 1:40:59
  first heard of Harry Potter, I was like, well, obviously Harry
• 1:41:02
  Potter has to die in the last book.
• 1:41:04
  It's like, well, can't have your name on the whole thing.
• 1:41:09
  Yeah. Like you, you gotta do the whole
• 1:41:12
  hero's sacrifice, right? Like now, yeah.
• 1:41:15
  You're gonna you're going to beat evil and then grow old, OK?
• 1:41:22
  I mean, Harry Potter did make the sacrifice play just for some
• 1:41:26
  reason he. Got better.
• 1:41:28
  That's the part of the Harry Potter franchise that always
• 1:41:30
  made me angry, is the fact that he absolutely was killed, and
• 1:41:35
  then he's just better again. It got better.
• 1:41:37
  I have the magical machine. That makes me survive even
• 1:41:45
  death. Just once, though.
• 1:41:47
  Just the one time. Yeah, he absolutely must defend
• 1:41:51
  himself from being killed. The second time, but the first
• 1:41:54
  time he is murdered right there. Yep.
• 1:42:01
  But this time he's murdered. And I'm going to say, as I said
• 1:42:05
  in the intro, I love an ending and this this did it.
• 1:42:12
  This was like, even if there are more Bond movies and there will
• 1:42:17
  be more Bond movies in the future, you can always look at
• 1:42:21
  the Daniel Craig movies, those 5 movies and they are one complete
• 1:42:26
  story from beginning to end. That was a couple holes, but
• 1:42:31
  yeah, there and it there are a couple of missteps you.
• 1:42:34
  You take a couple of stumbles along the.
• 1:42:36
  Way but it is a self-contained story like none of the other
• 1:42:42
  Bond movies even attempted to connect to each other.
• 1:42:48
  So good on the Daniel Craig period for trying to at least do
• 1:42:52
  something different and I have a lot of respect for it now.
• 1:42:56
  Like I never knew that they ended at least his franchise
• 1:43:02
  with a true ending. That's crazy and amazing
• 1:43:07
  compared to all the other bonds. Yeah, that's very different.
• 1:43:11
  Now we know there will be. More Amazon has purchased.
• 1:43:16
  MGM Studios and all of its properties, which includes the
• 1:43:21
  Bond franchise, We know that there's going to be a video game
• 1:43:24
  coming out very soon that's going to be another origin
• 1:43:27
  story. I say another origin story.
• 1:43:31
  We barely got an origin story in Casino Royale.
• 1:43:35
  Like, we got maybe a first mission, but this appears to be
• 1:43:39
  like training and a bit more Kingsman style.
• 1:43:42
  Oh, OK. But we don't know what Amazon is
• 1:43:44
  going to do, you know, could be good.
• 1:43:48
  Like Fallout, you know? Yeah.
• 1:43:50
  They've. They've sometimes done really
• 1:43:53
  great things, but I'm going to. Say it's got to be a theatrical
• 1:43:57
  release for us to touch it again.
• 1:44:01
  That'd be interesting. Like, of course you and I can
• 1:44:03
  watch it and just watch it and have a good time with it.
• 1:44:05
  But. I'd say for.
• 1:44:07
  Potato chip pictures to do a an actual yeah like an episode or
• 1:44:12
  more on bond again and it. Has to be a theatrical.
• 1:44:16
  Release not a streaming exclusive.
• 1:44:19
  I think that's fair. Yeah, I would watch a streaming
• 1:44:23
  exclusive. Don't get me.
• 1:44:24
  Wrong Amazon. I am fully on board, I'm just.
• 1:44:27
  Not going to put it on the podcast well, on this podcast
• 1:44:34
  we. Do.
• 1:44:36
  Ratings, not grades. The key difference being where
• 1:44:39
  you find the average. See, in a grade, you don't want
• 1:44:42
  students to feel bad. So you say A7 out of 10 is the
• 1:44:45
  average, and that's where we want people to fall.
• 1:44:48
  And that works for grading. But we're adults now and so we
• 1:44:51
  know that an average, which is actually a 5 out of 10.
• 1:44:54
  So when we say a movie is 5 out of 10, we're not saying it's a
• 1:44:57
  bad movie. We're saying it's right in the
• 1:44:58
  middle. Good, bad, doesn't matter.
• 1:45:01
  It's average. It's it's right there.
• 1:45:04
  It says what it does on the 10. It's a 5 out of 10.
• 1:45:07
  So with that in mind, let's go back to it.
• 1:45:11
  Justin, why don't you go first this time and tell me on a scale
• 1:45:14
  of 1 to 10, where would you put No Time to Die?
• 1:45:18
  It'd be really hard to rank it the same as Casino Royale
• 1:45:22
  because I have. Like actual reasons why I enjoy
• 1:45:25
  Casino Royale, just the plot and the the the acts and how
• 1:45:34
  everything happens. This one, I think I enjoy it
• 1:45:40
  because it fits what it needs to in the time that it has and it's
• 1:45:44
  got a lot of time. I would rank it above I think
• 1:45:49
  all the other ones except for casino.
• 1:45:51
  So I'll go with A7 for my rating.
• 1:45:58
  Any any other things that we missed that you want to throw in
• 1:46:01
  there to justify it? I.
• 1:46:06
  Think I'm still confused as to who is on what side of who.
• 1:46:12
  Because the the backstabbing doesn't quite pan out with Primo
• 1:46:19
  knowing Saffin's plan. And it could just all be that
• 1:46:22
  Saffin kept it to himself, sure. But I feel like Casino,
• 1:46:29
  everybody had their motivation and it was unimpeachable.
• 1:46:35
  Everybody was after the money for this or that reason.
• 1:46:40
  And here and even though Primo is just like a henchman could
• 1:46:47
  have used maybe a bit more explanation of of that.
• 1:46:55
  I don't think it was necessary, but trying to pin down who is
• 1:47:01
  doing what for why it's not as clear cut and that's why I would
• 1:47:08
  probably bring it below casino. The only thing in casino that's
• 1:47:12
  suspect is the fact that she, Vesper, has a thing to betray
• 1:47:17
  bond over. Beyond that, like everybody's
• 1:47:21
  got their cards right in front of them.
• 1:47:25
  Yep, I. I came into this saying that my
• 1:47:34
  idea was that it would be a six out of 10, like slightly above
• 1:47:40
  the average. But there was a lot of stuff to
• 1:47:43
  it that didn't really work for me when I had watched it.
• 1:47:46
  But then as I was thinking about it and kind of, you know, really
• 1:47:51
  sitting with it and especially in this discussion, I'm at a 7
• 1:47:56
  out of 10. I agree with you 100%.
• 1:47:58
  I'm I'm right there with you. Like there are more good things
• 1:48:03
  about this movie than bad things.
• 1:48:05
  There are bad things in this movie.
• 1:48:07
  There are things that just don't work, things that you're just
• 1:48:10
  like what what is going on? And there are absolutely dumb
• 1:48:14
  parts of this movie. But it did try to do things
• 1:48:19
  differently than any other movie in the franchise.
• 1:48:24
  I really liked. Is it Rami or Rami Malek?
• 1:48:29
  I like Saffin as a villain. I think he's my second favorite
• 1:48:33
  in the Daniel Craig era. He just worked for me.
• 1:48:39
  I don't love Project Heracles because, and you mentioned
• 1:48:45
  microplastics. What I had been thinking about
• 1:48:47
  was the PFAZ, the stuff you put on non stick cooking things that
• 1:48:53
  now like 99% of the human population has just in their in
• 1:48:58
  their bodies. Yeah, like this to me felt a lot
• 1:49:03
  like that where I was like, OK, well, there we go.
• 1:49:06
  We've got another thing that the the guys failed on.
• 1:49:10
  And same with the last movie. Like once Nine Eyes happens and
• 1:49:14
  you've got a universal watch, like a machine to watch
• 1:49:20
  everyone, even though you have taken out Specter, it's not like
• 1:49:25
  the world governments are going to be like, all right now we've
• 1:49:27
  got to shut down this project. Now they're just going to do it
• 1:49:30
  again. And on top of that, in the real
• 1:49:33
  world that we live in, they've already done it and we're
• 1:49:36
  already being monitored. So the bad guys won in the real
• 1:49:39
  world versus that. So I guess my only real
• 1:49:43
  complaint is that we're looking at another movie where I look at
• 1:49:46
  the real world and say, oh, it would have been nice if Bond had
• 1:49:49
  decided to help us here. Like, it's too bad that the it's
• 1:49:54
  too bad just decided to talk about something that's a little
• 1:49:58
  too real. Just the scary things that you
• 1:50:02
  know eventually exist. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:50:07
  So that's that's my only real. Complaint about the movie is
• 1:50:13
  just feeling like oh it's too close too close to home but
• 1:50:20
  otherwise I'm I'm still kind of on board with it I yeah 7 out of
• 1:50:26
  10 I think it's it's worth checking out guys do it watch it
• 1:50:30
  might have been a little biased after having watched 20 plus of
• 1:50:33
  these movies just because it felt.
• 1:50:35
  Like oh, Bond is finally tired of this, but it all kind of
• 1:50:41
  connects with Daniel Craig. His Bond being just threw the
• 1:50:45
  wringer from first movie to the last.
• 1:50:49
  Yep, he has had the roughest. Of all of the Bonds, like he's
• 1:50:55
  had the most brutal, he's had the torture sequences.
• 1:50:59
  The only other Bond who has ever been tortured has been Pierce
• 1:51:03
  Brosnan, and Bond has been tortured twice.
• 1:51:08
  Like we had Sean Connery almost get lasered to death.
• 1:51:15
  But that's the closest we've had to him being tortured.
• 1:51:19
  Yeah, I I think he's my favorite Bond.
• 1:51:22
  I think I think Daniel Craig is, is my top Bond.
• 1:51:25
  That's an easy, easy call to make.
• 1:51:27
  Yeah, yeah. There's just something about a
• 1:51:30
  self-contained. Universe that's just really
• 1:51:32
  fantastic. But we're not going to get into
• 1:51:35
  our micro ratings. Oh, show averages 7 should be
• 1:51:40
  pretty obvious. Both of us were sevens.
• 1:51:41
  Guess what, it's A7. I'm going to send you a list of
• 1:51:48
  stuff that we're going to kind of rate and review and then
• 1:51:51
  anything else you want to talk about for the franchise we can
• 1:51:53
  talk about. Because what we're going to do
• 1:51:57
  with every franchise that we review is do a final wrap up
• 1:52:03
  episode. You know, just a way to look
• 1:52:06
  back at the franchise as a whole and be like, what did we like?
• 1:52:10
  What did we not like? And I'm excited to do that for
• 1:52:15
  the first time with a 25, all of these options, all the things to
• 1:52:20
  go back through. But at least there won't be.
• 1:52:22
  Two hours total I think. It'll be.
• 1:52:25
  I'm sitting here thinking there's a very real possibility
• 1:52:29
  of having another two hour. Wrap up because there's so many
• 1:52:33
  things in this franchise, whereas if we do something
• 1:52:37
  that's only like 2 or 3 movies, the wrap up might only be an
• 1:52:41
  hour. Like if that, there just won't
• 1:52:44
  be enough to talk about. Gotcha.
• 1:52:47
  But this has had a lot of ups and downs.
• 1:52:49
  We'll get. We'll do that one too, yeah.
• 1:52:53
  Yeah, Oh boy. Well, we've.
• 1:52:57
  Made it through 25 movies. Guys, we skipped 2 unofficial
• 1:53:05
  Bond movies. I have only ever seen the first
• 1:53:10
  Casino Royale and I I don't remember much about it except
• 1:53:14
  that I hated it and that might be why I don't remember anything
• 1:53:18
  about it. I think it was 1967, maybe 66
• 1:53:23
  when Casino Royale came out, the first one.
• 1:53:27
  I'd be interested to see what is in it.
• 1:53:29
  But yeah, yeah, it's definitely. Nothing like the Daniel Craig
• 1:53:34
  movie. But yeah, and then never say
• 1:53:40
  never again. We skipped as well.
• 1:53:42
  That was the Sean Connery's return in the 1980s when he
• 1:53:48
  played a very old James Bond who was supposed to be retired.
• 1:53:53
  I haven't watched it, so I can't speak to it, but it sounds as
• 1:53:57
  though that's what they were doing with Skyfall, where they
• 1:54:01
  were like, you're too old, Too old to do this.
• 1:54:07
  Yeah, All right. I guess I can say the last
• 1:54:09
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• 1:54:52
  can't remember their name. Perhaps I should look it up, but
• 1:54:56
  someone pointed out that I was wrong about roulette in that
• 1:55:02
  it's not just red and black. There are I think 2 greens,
• 1:55:08
  There's definitely 1 green, but there's a zero and a 00 and they
• 1:55:13
  are different colors. That's interesting.
• 1:55:15
  So. So it might also not be a 1 to 1
• 1:55:19
  payout. Again, I don't play roulette, I
• 1:55:21
  don't really gamble. I mean, I imagine that it
• 1:55:24
  somehow should favor the house, but I don't.
• 1:55:27
  Know how what that way that is? So look at the comment that was.
• 1:55:34
  James 25215182 Gotta love those numbers but thank you for the
• 1:55:42
  comment over there on TikTok. I don't know the payouts.
• 1:55:45
  Still don't really care. I'm more of a blackjack guy
• 1:55:49
  myself because it's easy to do basic math in my head.
• 1:55:57
  All right. Well, I guess for, well, the
• 1:56:02
  first time because we're never going to say this, I think,
• 1:56:06
  unless you want to. But potato chip pictures will
• 1:56:12
  return in, I guess, a wrap up. Yeah.
• 1:56:17
  Not with James Bond. He's gone.
• 1:56:19
  Yeah. This movie did end with a James
• 1:56:23
  Bond will return. I did specifically look for.
• 1:56:26
  That so the franchise is not dead, but we're not returning
• 1:56:32
  with James Bond. He's he's we're going without
• 1:56:35
  him and we're going to talk behind his back in the next
• 1:56:39
  episode of Potato Chip pictures. Thank you guys for listening.
• 1:56:44
  Goodbye, goodbye. It's going to be weird.
• 1:57:01
  Not watching a movie. This week I think I'll be fine
• 1:57:05
  with it.