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The Path To Peace With Ann Swindell · She Speaks Life - Christian Women, Strengthen Your Faith, Bible Study, Grow Spiritually In Christ

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  Hi guys, and welcome back to. She speaks life.
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  I'm Jamie Elizabeth and I'm so excited to bring you and swindle
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  and has written and published a book called the path to peace
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  experiencing God's Comfort. When you're overwhelmed, we're
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  going to talk all about how to find lasting peace and stead of
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  clinging onto feelings and how to respond to circumstances with
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  faith. Instead of fear and anxiety and
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  has been featured, why? Lee such as proverbs 31
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  Ministries, Gospel Coalition, and encourage.
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  She is the owner of writing with Grey's.
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  That is a fantastic resource to help other writers.
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  And she has Highly Educated with an MA in writing from DePaul
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  University and MFA in creative writing from Seattle Pacific
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  University and lives in West Michigan with her pastor husband
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  and their children and I can't wait to share.
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  Share with you what we are going to talk about when it comes to
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  peace. So here we go.
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  Let's dive in to our conversation.
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  Hi and welcome to she speaks life.
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  I'm so excited. You're here.
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  Thanks for having me. Jamie, I really appreciate it.
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  Yeah, I know. I like to ask each guess before
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  we dive into the story of what we're here to listen.
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  What is a life verse that? You have that?
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  Maybe hold onto and the good times and the bad times.
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  Yeah, you know, I consistently come back to Psalm 103.
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  So I won't read the whole thing because it's a rather long but
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  it is so wonderful and how it portrays, God's character and
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  God's goodness in the middle of our stories and especially verse
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  8. The Lord is compassionate and
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  gracious slow to anger abounding in love.
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  And then it goes on to say, for as high as the heavens are above
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  the Earth. So great is his love for those
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  who fear Him as far as the East is from the West so far.
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  Has he removed our transgressions from Um us and I
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  love how this Psalm reminds me that God is gracious.
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  He's kind he's loving and so especially when I'm going
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  through difficult times, it's important for me to recall God's
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  character and remember who he is, no matter what I'm facing.
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  That's so true. His character.
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  It just really just builds that confidence, right?
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  That he is all Sovereign and the god that we serve that he's in
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  Control and he's looking out for us.
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  I think absolutely. Yeah, definitely something that
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  strengthens our walk in him and so well, I love that.
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  We're going to be talking about peace.
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  That is definitely something that I think we can all say that
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  we struggle and time to time, especially when we're faced with
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  the darkest Seasons, when we see this big Goliath, Whether it be
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  a job loss or health diagnosis Financial marriage relationship
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  that you know Mass anything really that we may think of gosh
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  like how can I feel at peace when all I see is turmoil,
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  right? So I love that your subtitle.
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  It says experiencing God's Comfort when Are overwhelmed
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  and, you know, that is a major just struggle with people
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  feeling overwhelmed and they seek out for other things to
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  fill a little with piece. So I wanted to hear from you
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  like your own story, your experience?
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  Yeah. Did you have in your life that
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  brought you to the point where you need to write this book
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  about peace? Yeah.
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  You know, I'm not sure that it is a topic that any of us would
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  choose to want to grow in, you know, reminds me of things.
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  Things like, oh, I need to grow in humility and then you're
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  given experience. Yes, it is to grow in humility,
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  but I will say this book was born out of a season in our life
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  where my husband was fired actually from his position as a
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  pastor. I'm a staff at a large church
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  for telling the truth. So it was a really painful
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  situation and obviously not what we had thought would happen.
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  Or you know what? We believed would happen But it
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  happened in the less. And so we kind of overnight lost
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  our primary income, we lost our community because kind of a wild
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  thing about being on staff at a church, is your job in your
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  community are really one in the same.
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  So we lost most of the people we had called our friends and we
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  really I personally was dealing with just so much fear and
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  anxiety about the future. We had uprooted just a year
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  before to move and take this job.
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  And so we'd only been there 12 months and I'm thinking, oh, my
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  goodness, are we gonna have to move across the country?
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  Again, like my poor kids. We've already moved twice in the
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  last three years for grad, school, and different things.
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  And I just wake up every morning with so much anxiety on top of
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  this. My son was having some health
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  issues that we were wrestling career was really little at the
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  time and I just remember coming to this place with the Lord and
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  being like God, every morning for me, I wake up and I almost
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  that sense of just not Terror but, you know, you wake up with
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  your heart. Palpitations already.
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  You're just yeah, your body is not old.
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  Yes, is constant state of stress and overwhelm?
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  And it wasn't like our very lives were being threatened, but
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  my circumstances were absolutely dictating my emotional
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  stability. Sure.
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  No. Remember thinking like I have
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  known the Lord for a Long time and mentally I'm telling myself
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  wow I should really I should be able to experience peace but I'm
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  not my life is so full of worry and fear and I felt like in that
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  season the Lord was inviting me and saying and like come and
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  learn what it is to walk in this piece, that the scriptures say,
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  the Bible says, I can have peace that passes understanding no
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  matter what is going on around me.
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  So I got invited me into a season of biblical.
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  Paris where I really do Vin to the word to see.
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  How did these men and women in the Bible Old Testament and New?
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  How did they walk in Christ's peace or you know Old Testament
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  even before Jesus? How do they walk in God's peace
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  when their lives were just all over the map and so by studying
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  their lives and looking at what the Bible says about peace, I
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  was really able to grow in my day-to-day practical experience
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  of knowing Christ as as the prince of peace and is the one
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  who is with me. And so, out of that study, I
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  wrote this book at, with the hope and the prayer that it's
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  going to equip readers to also walk in that.
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  Peace. That Jesus so graciously gives
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  to us. Mmm.
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  Yeah, so good. And so I know most of us may
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  grab onto anything other than God for our Peace.
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  So, what is peace with God look like, how can we grab onto?
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  True peace and you know, not be distracted in wanting to grab
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  onto you know the worldly or temporary peace.
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  Yeah, great question. And this is something I've
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  wrestled with two because I don't know about you Jake me but
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  you know when it my initial thought of like what peace is
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  has to do with essentially like going on vacation and getting
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  some place quiet and away from all of my troubles, you know?
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  Yeah we can't do that all the time.
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  I mean we have lives to live Live, we have jobs and
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  relationships and responsibilities that require us
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  to actually, you know, be present in our own lives.
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  So peace, biblically speaking there, a lot of different ways
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  we can approach it but I think it's important for us to just
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  make a quick distinction between peace with God and the peace of
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  God because you can't have the peace of God that kind of
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  day-to-day experiential. Peace without first having peace
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  with God and this is a good vehicle term that comes from
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  Romans 5:1 which says therefore Ever since we have been
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  justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord
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  Jesus Christ, and this is the peace that Jesus won for us
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  through his perfect life and his crucifixion on the cross.
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  First, John 22 says he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins
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  and so we're no longer God's enemies.
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  We no longer have the wrath of God upon us because of our
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  sinfulness. We now have peace with God.
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  We can have right relationship with God.
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  And this is that foundational piece that comes when we walk as
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  followers of Christ as Believers, that he is the Lord,
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  and the King after that, then we have, then we have through his
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  indwelling, holy spirit, with the, which the Lord has promised
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  us as we walk with him. Then we have access to this,
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  peace, that Jesus talks about when he's talking to his
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  disciples in John 14:27 and he says, peace.
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  I leave with you. My peace.
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  I give to you not as the World gives do I give to you.
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  Let not your hearts be troubled. Neither let them be afraid.
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  This is that peace, that passes all understanding and it's not
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  going to come from our circumstances.
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  It's going to come from a person.
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  The peace we are. So desperately searching for
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  comes not from our relationships getting easier or our finances
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  getting better or us, you know, getting a better job that peace
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  comes from Walking With Jesus and there are some practical
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  ways we can do. Do that.
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  But we have to start there because if we continue to look
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  for peace externally, anywhere, other than Christ, it's going to
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  keep falling flat and we're just going to find ourselves more and
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  more and more anxious, so true. I mean, I've literally been in
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  Hawaii and felt unsettled and not at peace, holy moly as it
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  really does not matter, you can be in paradise and just feel
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  just awful and yeah. So chaotic and Overwhelmed and
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  not. I'm peace.
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  Oh yeah yeah that's so good. I like that peace with God and
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  peace of God. Yeah.
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  Okay. So share with us some Biblical
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  characters. You explain that there was some
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  characters in the Bible that. Yeah.
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  Show us those examples of peace that we can Implement in our
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  everyday. Absolutely.
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  I want to start with Ruth who is one of my personal Heroes if you
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  don't know her. Story, highly recommend reading
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  the book of Ruth. It's pretty short, but she was
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  basically a woman who found herself at the end of her, rope
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  financially destitute. Her husband had died.
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  She's a foreigner in a foreign land, so she has nothing.
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  And yet we see in her, this almost this tenacity, and this
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  unwillingness to give up. And that as we learn through the
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  story that didn't come from her, ultimately God was at work in
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  her life drawing. And to a drawing her, to
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  himself, drawing her, to be calm, part of the family of God
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  and that she couldn't have known at the time.
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  And we don't know in the scripture because of her story,
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  but there was just a stick-to-itiveness in Ruth and a
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  decision that she made to say to Naomi her mother-in-law.
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  Who she went to God's people, and God's land with and she
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  said, your people will become my people, your God will be my God.
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  She had determined in her heart that she was going to Follow
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  Yahweh, the god of Israel. And that is part of what we, as
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  followers of Christ have to do to a certain extent, is say,
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  come hell or high water. My lot is cast with Jesus.
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  I am in it with him and Jesus actually promises us that we're
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  going to have trouble. He is very honest about the fact
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  that this life and this world is going to give us trouble.
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  He says, in John 16:33 in this world, you will have trouble.
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  But take heart. I have overcome the world.
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  Yeah. And the way that we come to walk
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  in that taking heart in that being able to have peace starts
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  with being in the word of God, and knowing who our Lord is, you
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  know, Ruth in the Old Testament, she had to learn about what it
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  meant to to be, in the Jewish community and learn about the
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  God of Israel. And she did wholeheartedly and
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  willingly. We now round the other side of
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  the Cross. We have the word of God to teach
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  us and to train Us in all righteousness.
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  And if we want to be people who walk in peace, it starts by
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  knowing who God is and that starts by being in the word and
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  doesn't have to be fancy. And it doesn't have to be, you
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  know, three hours a day. It might be 10 minutes in the
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  morning. It might be listening to the
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  Bible, as your, on your morning, commute in your headphones.
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  It might be having, you know, scripture playing in the
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  background in your house, but that is a foundational element.
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  Us to be people who walk in peace is knowing the word of
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  God. Because the word also tells us
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  it's alive and active. It changes us and helps us to
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  become more christ-like as we listened to it and read it and
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  Obey it. Yeah, I mean, I remember one of
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  the darkest times and it was the first time I ever experienced
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  that Supernatural gift of peace, that, like, surpasses all
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  understanding Because everywhere I look I should be like
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  crumbling inside. I mean, I I was surprised I was
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  even breathing because of what we were going through but I'm
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  going oh my goodness it just over his piece just took over.
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  Yeah and it doesn't just come without drawing close to hit.
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  Like I had to take my mornings and my times and read his word
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  because you said it's alive and active in it.
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  Sure is. Yeah and just pressing on and
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  just in just digesting his word on a daily was what really
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  sustain that piece and you know going back to the character of
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  God and his promises and I mean all that was my anchor and
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  absolutely and then I got to feel that peace no matter what
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  was going on in my life so I love that.
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  Okay. Your book has sections of top.
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  Topics. Yeah, that relate back to peace.
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  Can you share with us a couple of those examples?
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  Yeah. So it starts out actually with
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  Sarah the wife of Abraham when we meet her she's actually sir,
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  I, the wife of Abram and her that section.
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  It was all about finding peace in a new calling and I write and
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  share about how Sarah's life. Totally turned upside down by no
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  choice of her own. You know, Abram comes down the
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  mountain, he's had this experience with God and he says,
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  Hey, I've met this new God and we are going to follow him and
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  leave everything and go. And we have to remember, they
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  were living in a, you know, pantheistic Society with
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  multiple gods. And, and yet Abraham just came
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  back and said, time to leave, we're following this new God,
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  Yahweh and Sarah didn't have a choice.
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  And yet what we find is and these places in our lives, are
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  we don't have a choice. Maybe people have made choices
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  that have negatively impacted us or things have been done to us
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  that we couldn't change, God still shows.
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  Shows up in those places and is able and willing to meet us with
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  his piece as he did for Sarah. There's another section.
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  I mean there are so many that I love, I read about Hannah and
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  Her struggle with health trials, specifically for her, it was
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  infertility. But the truths that we see in
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  Hannah's story about how God met her with his peace in the midst
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  of great. Physical distress is true for
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  anyone, whether they're battling chronic illness or dealing with
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  an acute illness. And then I also Lee.
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  I mean I love all of them but the disciples that section
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  talking about having peace and difficult relationships.
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  How do we find peace when we've got these people in our lives?
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  That drive us? Crazy, or really?
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  Create hard situations for us? Why does it look like for us to
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  be people who walk in God's peace, in those areas?
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  So there are others. But those are some of the ones
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  that come to mind. Yeah.
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  So good. And I never looked at it that
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  way, with Hannah story and even though she was, you know, Baron
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  she couldn't Have a baby but we can look at that as any kind of
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  health issue. Yeah, trial.
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  Yeah, that's good. That just opened my eyes to a
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  new way of looking at Hannah's butt Horry.
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  Yeah, okay. So what would you suggest to our
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  friend who is listening right now, that's maybe feeling
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  completely overwhelmed and just needs to take those steps to
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  seek God's peace. Yeah.
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  You know, I would say first just a reminder, you're not alone.
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  God has not forgotten you. He sees you.
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  He knows what you're going through.
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  He understands and he's not far off.
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  He is not withholding from you there so many questions.
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  We're never going to be able to answer the sight of Heaven about
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  the trials, and the struggles and the pains that we go
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  through. But God, the Bible says, God is
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  near to the Brokenhearted. He is close to you.
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  And my encouragement to you, today is obviously being in the
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  word. Like we said, Ed going to God in
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  prayer and if you feel like you can't even do those things.
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  Then my third encouragement is to ask God to get you in a
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  church community and a small group Community, the body of
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  believers who can hold you up in the seasons.
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  When you can't do it yourself. You know, I've had times when I
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  have needed, my friends to pray for me.
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  Pray over me. Read the scripture over me
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  because it was just too much for me to even do it on my own.
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  So if you are in a season where you are overwhelmed lacking
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  God's peace, do the basics and if you can't even do the basics,
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  ask someone else to help you do the basics prayer biblical, you
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  know, being in the Bible and reading the word and then being
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  in a community of believers who can lift you up and help you.
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  We all need help. And I know you might say and
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  that's great for you. You have a small group, your
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  pastor's wife, most everyone is desperate for T.
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  So if you don't have it yet in your church or, you know, in
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  your Bible study or whatever your part of Reach Out, start
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  something, you will be shocked. I think it at how many people
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  also want to grow in faith together.
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  Yeah, it really is Key Community and finding that that circle of
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  people that you trust that you can just pour your heart out you
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  know, to learn about God together.
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  And yeah, we're Designed for community.
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  So as we definitely feel it, maybe not before we get together
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  but definitely afterwards order the blasts right?
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  Yep. Yep.
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  Giving to the gym, right? You know it's good for you but
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  it's clear that your and afterwards then you feel good.
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  So absolutely, you know, one of the things I was thinking about
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  too. When Wow's preparing for our
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  time together is that it's easier to get fearful than to be
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  Full of faith when you are faced with extreme difficult
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  circumstances. So how can we flip that script
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  where we're responding and Faith?
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  Rather than fear? Because I think our default is
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  to panic, have fear and then go, oh, I need to take just take
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  this to the Lord and pray and read my Bible, but how can we
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  just have that like where we were responding with knowing the
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  truth? First, Italy.
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  I think this is super important and I think it's also good to
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  know that God understands that our human default is fear,
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  right? It's just read the Psalms for a
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  little bit and see some of David's words of being afraid
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  and being worried about what's going to happen with his life.
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  So God understands fear but you're exactly right.
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  He calls us to something better. He invites us to a life of faith
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  and I think for me, one of the models that I have taken from
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  the word, is that guy? God, constantly told his people.
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  Remember, remember what I've done, set up these stones of
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  remembrance at Ebenezer Stone so that when you pass by them in
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  your children, ask what? Are these things?
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  You can say, this is a reminder to us of what God did, how he
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  saved us, how he set us free and we all need, you know?
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  So many of the Psalms are just recounting what God did for his
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  people. We all need to remember who God
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  is, if we are going to have faith to move forward, Because I
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  would like to think that, you know, we have, we do we have
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  these times in our lives, when we can say, God came through for
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  me here, God did this for me there or God saved my life here,
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  or god Set Me Free there, but we forget so easily, life gets
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  crazy and we forget to, to remember what God has done.
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  And so I have found that for me to continue walking in faith.
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  It's important for me to set up reminders of biblically who God
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  is. But also Specifically who he's
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  been for me and how he has seen me through in the past.
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  And so just one practical way that our family does that is
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  every year we make, What's called the Swindell family
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  Ebenezer list and we do it on New Year's Eve.
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  Every year you could do it any time but we as a family, sit
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  around and we talked through and remember and recall all the ways
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  in the past year that God has carried us, the ways he's
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  provided for us the ways that he has seen us through.
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  We write all those things down and then it's, I mean, it's
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  nothing fancy. It's just a white piece of
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  paper, we write them down and then we frame it and we put it
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  up in our front hallway. So that when we are feeling
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  fearful or we are worried about what's ahead, we can walk over
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  to the hall and we can read through that list and say,
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  remember remember what God has done for us?
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  He will be faithful to do it again because he is the same
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  yesterday today and forever. He's not changing.
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  Yes, our circumstances are changing.
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  The God Who has saved us and delivered us and provided for us
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  and given us what we've needed. We'll do it again and that gives
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  us faith and courage to continue to trust him so good.
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  I'm gonna do that because I Journal so like I do my own like
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  Rick written record in my journal but to have the whole
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  family kind of be involved in that and for them all to look
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  and see what God has done and I was your Talking.
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  I'm recalling. Like I wrote a devotional, I
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  contribute a devotionals to a able moms and they disciple moms
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  and kids as well and and so anyway I was writing this
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  personal story about where God provided and I'm reading out
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  loud to my husband and he started to tear up and I'm going
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  oh my gosh he's like you're just reminding me of how faithful God
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  was and how he Provided and how he was met you right where you,
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  you know, were and and what you that piece that you needed, and
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  I'm just like, yeah. Like so as you're talking I'm
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  like, you know, maybe the family we that's a good thing, not just
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  a, you know, I'm gonna do it myself personal thing but to
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  invite the whole family to remember what God has done.
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  So and it's humbling to when your kids remember things that
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  fit. Thank you forgot, you know me?
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  Yeah. There are things that were
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  really important to them that God did for them.
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  That maybe didn't make as big an impression on my heart, but they
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  need to remember and see who God has been for them for the whole
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  family. It's really, it's beautiful.
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  Yeah, so good. Okay, so I think whenever
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  anybody's like writing a book there's like that one thing that
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  you really want your reader to be able to like take root in.
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  So what would that be with your buck for me?
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  It would be Jesus is worth it. He is absolutely worth it.
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  And I know that I don't know your particular story, you know,
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  when you're listening to this, I don't know the pain that you've
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  been through, but you have unfulfilled longings.
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  You have things in your heart that continue to bring up,
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  anxiety, and fears and insecurities.
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  I just want to say Christ is worthy and Christ will meet you
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  in those places. He will heal everybody.
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  Broken heart. He will renew every broken body.
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  He will set us free in the places where we consistently
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  feel chained or enslaved to sin. And he may do it here on Earth
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  for many of us will experience degrees of freedom and renewal,
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  but there is a day coming, when everything will be made new,
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  when Christ himself will reign over all, and there will be no
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  more tears and no more pain. And we See an experience that
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  peace that comes from Christ in the fullness of what we've
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  always longed for. And so maybe part of it is just
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  Jesus is worth it and hang on, hang on, cling to the promises
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  of Christ, knowing that they will be fulfilled either now or
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  in the new heavens and the new Earth don't give up.
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  Don't give in to the world's lies.
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  That would tell you that Jesus isn't worth it because he's not
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  answering your prayers. The way that you want right now.
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  He will He will answer every prayer in the exact, right way.
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  It may take longer than we want but there's a day coming when
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  everything will be made, right? So beautiful.
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  Well, that sounds like a great. Take away our listeners, the
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  Ponder on there. All right.
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  And thank you so much for coming on here.
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  Where can people connect with you?
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  Yeah, I would love to connect. You can find me at and
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  Swindell.com just my name website and then I also So
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  that's where you'll find like articles and the books that I've
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  written things like that, I'm on Instagram at and swindle is
• 27:08
  pretty much where I hang out on social media.
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  And then I also teach christ-centered writing courses
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  for writers over at writing with Grace.com.
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  So I would love to see them there as well.
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  So good. I'm signing up.
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  I just found that out about you. I was like, yes, this is the
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  right timing. So fun, can't wait.
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  Yeah, sounds good. All right.
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  Thanks for sharing and All your wisdom on peace and how much we
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  need that and how you just break it down, articulate it so well
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  for us and you know, really going through it with your own
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  experience and then saying yes to the Lord and being faithful
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  to write about it so that you can help and serve others to
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  know, you know, that God is our source of peace.
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  And so I think you so much. Thanks Jamie for having me.
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  Really appreciate it. Thank you so much for listening
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  today and I trust that God has encouraged you through this
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  ministry and to access free downloads, please visit my
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  website at Jamie Elizabeth.com that's ja yme Elizabeth.com and
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  let's connect Beyond this. Just by going to my Instagram
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  handle, Jamie Elizabeth she speaks life or Facebook until
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  next time my friend. I hope God reveals himself
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  through your own life story.