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Celebrity Deaths, Stephen Colbert's Cancellation And The Jeffery Epstein Files · Rik and that Michele Chick

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Welcome to Rick and Matt Michelle Chick.
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I'm Matt Michelle Chick. And I'm Rick, how you doing this
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afternoon? I'm well, how are you?
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Well, I know that I, I don't know what you had on the agenda
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this time around, but boy, we've had some celebrity passings that
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we definitely want to touch on at least a little bit.
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So I don't know how you want to start this podcast.
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Usually you have a few ideas. So I'm here to listen and then I
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will chat back at you. Oh, you're not here to listen?
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Yes, I did want to touch on that because let's see, Ozzy Osbourne
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passed away at the age of 76, which is weird to me because
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wasn't he just at that farewell concert on July 5th?
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And he looked pretty good. I mean, all things considered,
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don't get me wrong, he has like some he.
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Had Parkin, Yeah, I had Parkinson's.
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Amazing that. Right, but he looked pretty darn
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good. Well, he didn't, I mean, he was
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on his throne, so he wasn't moving.
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He wasn't, you know, he's like, no, I mean, I think if you, if
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you could not that we wanted Ozzy to pass away.
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But if, you know, if you couldn't, you couldn't have
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scripted a better farewell. Like you couldn't have scripted
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it like literally. And I saw videos.
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I wasn't there, but I saw videos of Mama I'm coming home and all
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these great songs at Ozzy does and so and so literally you get
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to go out on your own terms. Not a not a bad life if you
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think about. It I was think I was kind of
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thinking the same thing You get to go out doing the thing that
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you love kind of, you know, not just homesick wasting away in a
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bed the last. I mean, I, I was thinking about
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wow. I mean, I don't think you could
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have scripted it any better than that.
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I've often talked about if I was going to go in my sleep, there's
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three things I think I want. I want to go peacefully, you
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know, like in my sleep number 2, if I'm going to pass away, I
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want to pass away on the air. Like literally I'm talking and
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then there's a big thud. Big thud.
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I'm going no, that would be traumatic for the rest.
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Or, or having SEX. So that's it.
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Those are my three. I, I looked at those are my
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three options of, of my last, my final days on this planet.
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So for Ozzy, doing what he's loved, loved to do, you got to
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give you got to give the guy credit.
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And, and man, the Facebook today has just been nothing, nothing
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but Ozzy tributes. And are you a are you a big Ozzy
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fan? Not really.
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I do like Crazy Train, who doesn't love that song, but I'm
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not a huge but I'm not a huge metal music lover fan unless
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it's a rock ballad. I'm a sucker.
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I'm a woman, so you know I love a good rock ballad which.
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Mama coming home is a Mama I'm coming home.
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That was a massive. I mean, that one's good, but.
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I mean, he's. Just never been one of the
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musicians that I've listened to. I think that might be because
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growing up my aunt was always, it's satanic music, it's the
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devil's music. And so I think I just kind of
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steered clear of it a little bit.
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Maybe subconsciously, I don't know because I don't necessarily
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believe that, but I think maybe that kind of got in my head.
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Yeah, same with the kids, got the same got the same rap and
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Led Zeppelin and all of them. I look at Oh, close Your Eyes
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Forever with Lita Ford. That's an Aussie song.
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They do it. I do like, I do like that song,
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yeah. Yeah, that's a great song.
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For me, Shot in the Dark is my #1 Aussie song.
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If you're asking, you know what my Aussie song is, I know
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everybody's going to go crazy train and all the other three
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kids. Well, and of course, you've got
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Iron Man from Black Sabbath. My, my recollection, I did not
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know it at the time, but I was probably 10 years old and my
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stepbrother, when we moved back to with my father, there was a
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bunch of step kids as well as us.
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And I remember smoke rolling. I remember smoke weed, the smell
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of smoke weed from my stepbrother Ramon.
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And of course it was Iron Man Black Sabbath while they're
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smoking dope downstairs. So for a 10 year old, that was
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one of my vivid memories of growing up with some Ozzy
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Osbour. I did not know it was Ozzy at
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the time. I just knew it was Black Sabbath
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and then and yeah, I was like, it's like an amazing career.
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And I was thinking and I thought part of the podcast we talked
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about is, are you affected by celebrity passings?
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Because we just had we, we just had what, Theo?
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From Malcolm Jamal Warner at the age of 54 while on vacation.
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In Costa Rica and he's, again, he's the, I'm a year older than
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he is. And, and we grew up on the Cosby
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show. So it's like these are, these
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are right in our, I guess these are right in our generation.
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These are right in our wheelhouses.
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So, but have you ever, I look back and I'm like, I there have
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been a ton of passings where I felt, oh, that's sad or oh, I
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can't believe that person passed away.
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Now there are people that cry, like literally cry.
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So have you ever for a celebrity that has passed?
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Have you actually cried? Probably George Michael.
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That was a big one, yeah. That one hit me.
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I loved his music growing up. And that one was really, you
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know, it was Christmas Day, and it was just kind of shocking in
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that sense. I remember when Michael Jackson
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passed, we were on an airplane coming back from Disneyland, our
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family vacation. And we were in the airport.
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And, you know, they had the TV monitors on, no volume,
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obviously, but it was on CNN. And the little ticker along the
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bottom of the screen said Michael Jackson dies.
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And at first, I thought it was some kind of weird joke, but
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it's like it's on CNN. What kind of joke is this going
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to be? So it's just weird things like
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that. You don't expect Michael Jackson
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to pass away or George Michael because they're all younger and
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in our minds, they're going to live forever.
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They are our idols or part of our youth.
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And so then that makes the reality of our dying, well,
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real. And it could.
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Happen to any one of us? Yeah.
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Right. But in our minds, we're not
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going to die tomorrow. I mean, we're just not let's.
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Hope let's, let's hope not. But I was, it was.
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I was just trying to yeah, for. Because we were just too young
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for Elvis. I know when Elvis passed away.
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So. But that was. 77 I remember her
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crying, yeah. Yeah, but but I was 7, so I
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mean, yeah, I knew who Elvis was, but you don't it.
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Doesn't emotionally touch. You.
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Yeah, same with John Lennon. I was 10 when John Lennon passed
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away. So.
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And I always tell people like, you know, well, The Beatles are
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the greatest rock band of all time are The Beach Boys.
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Brian Wilson recently passed away.
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These are all amazing. But I wasn't emotionally, I
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guess, affected. I mean, I know the music.
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I like the music, but it wasn't like I was just like my whole
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being wasn't wrapped up in so these celebrities if it makes
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sense for me, a big one. I I don't know if I would cry,
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but I'm a big Michael J Fox fan, so and I know he's got
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Parkinson's. Christopher Reeve.
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I mean ton of these for I was going to.
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Say, did the original Superman just no, I mean.
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That's that's why I always I I'm always curious.
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Like it's like I feel, oh, you know, you see it and you go, oh,
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that's, you know, that's sad. But I can't recall any time
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where I ever broke down in tears.
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I guess I mean over my own dog or a family member.
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Sure. I've I've cried and then that
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always think it's weird when you don't cry when you want to cry
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and you don't cry, everybody else around you is crying and
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you're not crying. Like Oh my God am IA sociopath.
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Well, no, I mean just people cry differently.
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And sometimes in that moment I think people are.
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It's either a defense mechanism or it, it hasn't really hit you
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with that reality, even though people around you are crying or
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upset. But in your mind it just isn't
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real. It it still isn't real for you
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at that moment. And I, and the good news, you
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know, to know that you're healthy is that I'm not a
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sociopath. When my foster dad passed away,
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absolutely. I cried when my foster mom
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passed away. People that I had really deep
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emotional ties to, definitely. I do recall one of my favorite
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stories to tell people is when I was 8 years old watching Archie
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Bunker, All in the Family. My foster mom loved to watch
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Archie Bunker and All in the Family and Edith passed away on
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the TV show. The character passed away and I
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was 8 years old at the time and I thought she literally passed
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away. Her name, Jean Stapleton is the
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actress. But I thought she passed away.
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And then 20 years later, I'm watching TV and I'm like, what
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the hell? Yeah, there's Edith.
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She just quit the show. But yeah, but when you're 8
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years old, you don't correlate death.
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I did not correlate. I thought, oh, this person
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really passed away in real life at 8 years old.
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So that was my, I think my first recollection of some somebody
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passing away. I know it's kind of funny that
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it's ATV character, but. And then and then I saw a
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reunion where her and Archie, Carol Connor and they were on
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like Rosie or something like that.
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I'm like, son of a bitch. She's alive.
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And then and then she didn't even have the accent.
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You know how she sounded all Ding baddie.
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Yes, right, She doesn't even. She doesn't even sound that.
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She don't even sound like that and she's this amazing.
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Even more mad about that I was like and.
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You discover that she's this amazing Broadway actress and
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vocalist and all this like what? What?
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Anyway, childhood destroyed. So yeah, the the the sad passing
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of I feel like of, of Theo, you know, Malcolm, I loved him on
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the resident. I mean, I he had a resurgent in
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his. The cool thing about him, he had
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a resurgence in his career. Right.
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He was just on 911. My daughter Shaylee makes me
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watch this show, and he was just on this last season of it.
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And when I said, oh, look, it's Malcolm Jamal Warner from The
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Cosby Show, she had no idea what I was talking about.
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No clue. And I think of all the kids, I
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mean, they're all still doing stuff.
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But he's really, I mean really acting still.
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Right. He's kind of maintained his
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career since the Total show ended with various projects.
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Yeah, he did a 90s sitcom on the the UPN network.
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I can't figure it off the top of my head, but it was kind of a
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guy dude show kind of thing. So.
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Oh, oh, it's called Malcolm and Eddie.
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Yes, I was going to say Malcolm in the Middle, but that's the
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other Malcolm and. Eddie right.
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So I mean so yeah, these are these are two big you know,
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childhood for us growing up, you really you really feel it.
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But I again, it goes back to are you going to you know, are you
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going to cry? And normally in radio, we do big
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tributes. So, you know, so the minute that
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I was on the air today and the minute that I heard that Ozzy
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had passed away, I ran over to the other building and let Paul
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know, Hey, Ozzy sadly passed away and it's time to get out
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the Ozzy Osbourne song montage. So well, that's kind of what
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it's kind of what kind of what we do at at radio.
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But I remember big ones, you know, Johnny Cash passed in a
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way that was a big deal being on the air.
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Different things, different things like that, Whitney, like
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you said, George Michael, Prince, Michael Jackson, these
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are all big from our big from our childhood.
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So again, just to see these, these artists pass away.
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And it does, like you said, it makes your, your own mortality
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in, in your, in your. And I also have said this
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interesting enough too, is it doesn't matter how much money
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you have, like you could be a billionaire, you could be Elon
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Musk, you can be, you can be Jeff Bezos.
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And you, I don't care what you got, you're not going to out
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race time or you're not going to out race.
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Steve Jobs is a great example. That's what I was just going to
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say. Look at Steve Jobs.
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He had cancer and no amount of money could help him in the end.
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Yeah, No, Madam. And, and it truly is how you
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live. Like you have to, I feel like
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you have to be, you know, you have to acknowledge that, you
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know, you know that this is finite.
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This life is finite. So what can, what can you do on
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the planet to do at least a little bit good before you leave
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the planet? So that's why I've never
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understood. I've never understood hate and
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anger. And like when you see people
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online that are that are totally going at each other, I'm like,
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Oh my gosh, you're 85 years old. I mean, what?
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Like your days are numbered. Why are you sitting here on the
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Internet fighting with some unknown person about politics,
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right? But maybe that's all that they
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have at the end of the day. Maybe that's that's all they
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have. I don't.
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I just don't find those things worth it.
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Getting into an argument about what what side you're on or what
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what you believe. Yeah, which is kind of like why
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I decided to try to start a nonprofit because in my mind,
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I'm like, OK, how do I want the last half of my life to look?
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You know, yeah, I'm done raising all these kids and they're great
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people, but what do I want? My, like, true legacy besides my
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kids, because they are your true legacy that you leave behind who
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they are as people. I'm.
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Trouble. What do you want?
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What do I want? Logan is a good kid.
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He listens to our podcast. I need a second.
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I needed a second kid. Shouldn't have got the
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vasectomy. I need a second.
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No, I've got I've got my stepson.
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I got Logan. They're doing good.
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I'm joking, but. Yeah.
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So that in my mind that, you know, was my thought, like, what
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do I want to contribute to this Earth or this planet in some
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way? Like, sure, it might not matter
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to other other people, but it's going to matter to me or it
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might matter to one person or two people.
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And hopefully they'll live on. And that's how I'm going to live
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on. Does that make sense?
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I mean, I don't want to get morbid, but to me it's like
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it's, it's I feel like all the, the great stories that you carry
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everybody. I there was a great a great
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newspaper feature when I was a kid growing up in the Lewiston
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Morning Tribune. And it was called Everybody has
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a story. And this guy would go out his
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name with, yeah, I'm not crying. You were right.
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You want to drink all my coffee? Oh, my coffee, my water's
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upstairs. Oh.
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No. That's all right.
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Anyway, it was called Everybody Has a Story.
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And I thought it was fascinating, even as a as a kid
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growing up reading that it was once a week article.
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And the guy, the reporter would pick somebody random out of the
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phone book and then he would interview.
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Yeah. And then he would interview.
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Yeah. He'd just call him out of the
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phone book. Like you'd go through the phone
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book and just say Joe, Joe Smith and he'd call Joe Smith and then
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he'd get Joe Smith's story. And the, the, the feature was
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everybody, Everybody has a story.
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And. So.
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You ever think about like I for me, I think one of the reasons
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why I wrote my book that I did about being a foster kid, about
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my foster parents. That was so important to me that
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what, like you said, what happens to what happens to those
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stories? Right.
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Yeah. I mean, our kids aren't going to
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tell them. So, yeah, you have to get them
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out. You have to tell them.
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You have to hope that somebody that you made a difference in
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their life goes on and talks about you.
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Which? Is funny that you say like
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everybody has a story because when the kids were little
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growing up, we'd see homeless people and they would say, oh,
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look at that homeless guy and I would say there's a reason that
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he's homeless. Everybody has a story.
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You know, they're not just homeless just because.
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So that was something I tried to teach them early on in life.
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And we had that hang. On are you getting?
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Are you getting an Amazon delivery?
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Yes, UPS. It's UPS.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it was funny.
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I was talking to to Patty about that this morning, about now.
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I lost my train of thought. Thanks, dog.
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We were what we were talking about.
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Yeah. I mean, it's like in 100 years,
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are you going to even be, you know, you want to, don't you
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want something remembered of you, I guess.
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Yeah, great. It'd be nice like, and, and I
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don't know, I mean your own, I mean, I mean, I don't know about
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your, your kids, but but my kids are so are still young enough
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that I don't know. I don't, I don't know if there's
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any sentimentality towards me. Does that mean, you know, if I,
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if I die tomorrow, do you, do you feel like if you died
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tomorrow, would your, would your kids miss you or do you think I
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don't know? Have you ever wanted to see your
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funeral or, or do you want to see how people react if you're
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gone? Yes, I have.
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And Shaylee, our youngest, I have asked her.
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I mean she's 19 now. This was a few years ago and I I
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don't even remember how we got on the subject of death, but I
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asked her would you miss me if I was dead?
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And she just said, well, you're just be dead, like, and she just
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had no, like, emotional attachment to the thought that I
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could be forever gone, right? And she doesn't.
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Like, you'd just be dead, you know, like, it wasn't that big
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of a deal, so. I think, I think the impact
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comes later. Even though, even though our,
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even though our kids talk tough, I, I, you know, even though our
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kids talk tough, like, oh, you know, if you were gone, I'd, you
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know, but I, I don't know, you would like to think that you've
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made, even with your own kids, you've made some, some impact.
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Right. I think the three older boys
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would miss me and. And that would have an effect on
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them and their lives, especially now that Benjamin is about to
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become a parent. Yeah.
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You know, then he's he's really realizing which this is a funny
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story. So they came over this last
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weekend when Matthew was home. Not to get off the subject, but
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and he he and Haley, his wife were talking about how I cried
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at his middle school graduation and we had watched videos of him
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growing up. And it's funny because he just
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has like this blank stare when somebody is asking him a
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question and he doesn't answer. And they got the biggest kick
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out of that because he just wasn't the brightest bulb in the
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pack, basically. And so it kind of clicked.
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He and his wife were talking, and he's like, oh, now I know
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why my mom was crying at my middle school graduation.
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It's like, yeah, because I mean, there's a happy you, you.
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We made it. Now we just got to get through
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high school, you know, like, so those things don't become clear
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to you, I think, until you have your own children or you go
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through something similar to make it really real or resonate
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with you because otherwise you're just like, and my mom was
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just crying at my middle school graduation.
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No big deal. Well, I think that what's
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interesting is I've always said anytime I've discovered
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somebody, especially having their first child, and you've
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heard me even talk about this. If a child change period,
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period, your, your life, your life, even even with our buddy
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who's a narcissist. No, we have a buddy who's a
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narcissist. It's OK, he's a narcissist.
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We love him, we love him dearly. But when his daughter was born
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and I told him, I warned him, I said when that daughter comes
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along, when that baby comes along, you're not the center of
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the universe. And you know, I'll be shocked if
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you, you know, if you are when, when you and same with you have
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you have 4 kids. But when that first child comes
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along, your universe resets and now you age yourself by your
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kids. You're not aging by you aging.
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You're looking at your kid like you're going, Oh, my kids 30 now
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my kids 35. My kids are my my kid, my kid.
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I'm a grand. No, I'm going to be a
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grandparent. I mean, you start seeing the
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your life through the lens of other of those people.
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It's absolutely fascinating to me.
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It's absolutely fascinating. And, and I always find it and I
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always find it interesting that even the most narcissistic me,
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me, me, me, me, me person, once they have that first kid, if
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they're if, if they're, if in their hearts of heart, if
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they're good, they'll flip on a dime and that kid becomes their
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life. Right, but a lot of times it
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doesn't. It just depends.
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I'm always, I'm always amazed. I'm always amazed on Facebook
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and I'm still on the content creator universe that we live
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in. And, and I love when people say
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I'm never going to have kids, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And you see their, you see their Facebook to where it's all
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party, party, party, party, party, party, party, party.
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Then the baby comes and suddenly it's this incredible shift of
20:28
life to where not now, all eyes. I have a friend she's in, she
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lives in Indiana. And up until her son was born,
20:36
it was her two dogs, like all the time.
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And I'd see, I would see George and I would see Finley all the
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time. Suddenly, when Riley was born,
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guess what I'm like, Are the dogs still with us?
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Did we get rid of the dogs? What happened?
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Yeah. Where's the?
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Dogs, you know where are the dogs?
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Because that from that moment on and he's like, oh, hey, Riley
20:56
and I never, I never saw the dogs again.
20:58
And now, and now they have a daughter too.
21:00
So I Finley passed away. I do know if Finley passed away,
21:03
but George is still with him. But it still made me laugh that
21:07
up until that moment it was all dog.
21:10
And then suddenly, oh, now it's suddenly nothing but kid.
21:14
And it really changes you. So, Benjamin, this is going.
21:17
This is going to change, Benjamin.
21:20
Yeah. It changed my life.
21:22
You know, not that I was ever that way, but it did change it
21:25
to where you're not. So me, me, me.
21:28
Everything you do is for your kid.
21:31
Right. I've always talked, I've always
21:33
talked about going to major market radio.
21:35
Logan is the reason why he didn't go to Major Market radio
21:37
because it was like I wanted to be near him and so I've made
21:42
choices based on his location. Right.
21:45
It's the same reason why I didn't want to move up the
21:47
radial ladder and drag my kids all over the country and instead
21:52
just be part time in Yakima because this is where all our
21:55
family are. They grew up right next door to
21:59
grandma and grandpa. So, you know, it's a choice that
22:02
you make. And I gave up that goal to get
22:07
to a major market like you did for them so that they could have
22:10
a better life. It's just things you do.
22:12
And you look back and you, you, you, it's like you just can't
22:17
have any regrets. I know it's hard.
22:19
A lot of people do that. Like, oh, I could have, I could
22:21
have, would have, should have. And I have always felt things
22:24
fall into place for a reason. I don't, you know, I definitely
22:28
don't, I don't believe some higher powers moving things
22:30
around. I just believe that in the end,
22:32
things, things work out the way they're supposed to work out.
22:35
And then it, it's up to you yourself, your own personal
22:38
attitude about how you, yeah, how you handle all these, all
22:42
these different things. For me, for me growing up poor,
22:47
I'm just happy to be where I'm at today.
22:48
I could not have. And I'm not even, I'm not, I'm,
22:51
I'm middle class. I'm, you know, but, but I also
22:55
look at all that I've got and, and realize how thankful I am
23:00
because, I mean, all I ever want to do was able to buy some comic
23:04
books and have a ripple over my head.
23:06
Well, I, I achieved that. So and so coming from poverty,
23:11
coming from way behind, because remember, we're spread like we
23:13
joke about, we're spreading. We sprinted from behind.
23:16
It wasn't given it to us like people that we knew that were
23:18
just born into it. Right.
23:20
We're a -1000% compared to people, other people.
23:25
So it's like, so when I look at, you know, when I look at my life
23:28
and I'm and I'm squarely in the middle class and it's like, oh,
23:33
but wouldn't you wanted to be rich and all that?
23:35
Well, that was, those weren't the cards that were dealt, but I
23:38
made do with what I was dealt with to the best of my ability.
23:42
And I think that's all you can at the end of the day, that's
23:44
all you can really do. I'm super excited for for
23:46
Benjamin and Haley. I think it's, I mean, it just
23:48
changes their it just changes your perspective.
23:51
Oh, yeah. I would like to think if you
23:53
have kids, you become a better human.
23:55
Great. Which he's already like an
23:57
exceptional little human. I mean, he's an adult now.
24:00
I shouldn't say little, but he's going to make an exceptional
24:03
dad. My friend, when she found out
24:06
that they were having a kid, she said, like I couldn't think of
24:10
any perfect two people to have a kid.
24:13
They're going to be the best parents.
24:16
And I think as his parent myself, that is probably the
24:20
utmost compliment ever is knowing that somebody thinks
24:25
your child is going to be the best parent because of who he is
24:29
as a person. So I feel like I did my job.
24:32
I did something right so well and and and.
24:35
When you hear and that's, and that is part of that, that
24:38
legacy that lives on. I remember years ago, I'd gotten
24:41
an inbox message from my Facebook from a friend that I
24:44
went to high school with and Logan was working at the Dollar
24:47
Tree in Clarkston. And and you know, my son is so
24:50
cynical and you know, he, he, he's never seen, you know, you
24:54
can't have, I mean, you just can't have A and at least with
24:56
me, he doesn't give me, he doesn't give me a he's always,
24:59
you know, very sarcastic, very sarcastic.
25:02
And so I got this nice letter from this gal who was in line at
25:07
Dollar Tree and goes, hey, by the way, I ran into Logan at
25:09
Dollar Tree. What he was the kindest, nicest.
25:14
And he goes, I saw him over there helping a little old lady
25:16
pick out a birthday card or something while he was on.
25:19
Now, if I talk to Logan about that.
25:21
He's like, I didn't do that. I didn't.
25:22
Do that, yes. I hate old people.
25:25
So if Shaylee would like, yeah, Shaylee.
25:26
Would totally. Deny something like.
25:28
That right, he denies it. He's like, you know, but but for
25:31
me, when I got that letter, that was the greatest feeling,
25:33
knowing that, oh, I raised AI, raised a good human being.
25:36
Even though he won't show it to me, won't show it to me, he does
25:41
show it to other people. And so that you, you, you like,
25:45
OK, I, I did the job, at least I, I did the best job that I
25:48
possibly could. So he still gets on my case
25:51
because he wasn't born rich. So we go around, we go around
25:54
around about that all the time. What couldn't have been born
25:57
rich? Well, I said, but but rich does
25:59
not always get you no. It's just different problems or
26:03
the. Same problems.
26:05
I'd take that any day of the week.
26:07
I wish I was, I wish I was born into wealth as well.
26:09
But that again, it comes down to cards you're dealt and then how
26:12
you play them out, how you, how you handle all of that.
26:15
And yeah, it's a, it's a crazy, crazy worlds, I guess.
26:20
All right. Well, well, we totally like
26:22
jumped up the tracks on that one.
26:24
We're all celebrities. I mean, again, it's sad.
26:27
Celebrity Celebrity death. Sad to see the celebrities.
26:31
Those are big celebrities. And again, I was just curious if
26:33
you'd ever cried. I have not officially ever
26:36
cried. I'll be curious if I ever do in
26:39
the future if there's going to be some celebrity that truly
26:41
impacts me. I'm, I'm bummed, I guess when I
26:44
say, oh, that's a that's a bummer.
26:46
Yeah, both of them. I think Malcolm Jamal Warner,
26:50
like I said, was shocking. Ozzy, not so much as health
26:53
wasn't great. My thought after Ozzy is, oh,
26:58
gosh, celebrity deaths usually come in threes.
27:00
Yep. That's it.
27:01
Yep. So who's going to be next?
27:03
That that's my fear. Oh no, who's going to?
27:06
Be next and we know and before we get off celebrity deaths,
27:09
what has really become crap is the fake ones all on the lawn
27:13
the. AI hate that.
27:16
Because Patty was a couple things.
27:17
Did Sally Field pass away? Like, no, Sally Field didn't
27:20
pass away. Well, it popped up in my feed
27:23
and and and people are doing that to get clicks.
27:26
Which I had to I had to verify that Ozzy was really dead
27:29
because I at first I, I thought the same thing.
27:32
Oh, this is just a hoax. This isn't real.
27:34
This is one of those so and so died and they didn't really die
27:37
kind of things that happens all the time so.
27:40
Yeah, so it's and. And if it's on TMZ, guess what?
27:44
They're gone. It's real.
27:47
Got to give it to got to give it to TMZ, man.
27:49
They they yell at all. That's hilarious that we gauge
27:53
celebrity deaths being real about TMZ.
27:56
You have they're, it, they, they, I people get paid.
27:59
Well, you already know they get paid like, like paparazzi sit
28:05
around at the at what is it, the Cedar Sinai?
28:08
Cedar Sinai is the big Los Angeles where all the celebs are
28:11
at. So they got paparazzi swarm in
28:13
there. When they see you come in on the
28:14
stretcher, you know, they're like, oh, shit, here's Tony
28:17
Bennett on the stretcher. TMZ.
28:20
Yeah, I think Tony Bennett's going to die.
28:22
I don't want to make fun of it light of any of that, but.
28:25
But yeah, it's like, God, piranha, right?
28:28
Piranha. Can you imagine if he's the next
28:31
celebrity to go and you just predicted it?
28:34
That's what's been crazy. He's dead.
28:36
Is he No. Doesn't he have Alzheimer's?
28:39
When did he die? 20 minutes gone.
28:43
Is he dead? He is.
28:45
Of course he is. He's the one that sang with Lady
28:47
Gaga, right? Yeah.
28:50
When did he die? He he's been gone 2023 today,
28:56
yesterday, actually two years. I'm like.
28:59
When did he die? I knew he had Alzheimer's.
29:02
He had a great life. Though, Oh yeah, he did.
29:05
So he had an yeah, he had amazing.
29:07
He had amazing life. How old?
29:09
Was this old Tenny bent? I thought he was 90s.
29:13
Oh, he was in his 90s. Yeah, Yeah, he was in his 90s.
29:17
But for me, I guess Betty White would have been if you're
29:19
talking, he was 96. But if you're talking Betty
29:23
White, she. Was 99 right?
29:27
Yeah, I think yeah, she just barely.
29:29
Oh, oh, I guess Dick fan Dick Van Dyke.
29:34
I love Dick Van Dyke. He's still alive though, right?
29:39
Yep, Yep, he and he's pushing getting close to he's getting
29:43
close to 100 real close. So, but there are still some
29:47
great, great celebs out there that are good people.
29:51
It's going to, it's going to bother people.
29:54
Leon Well damn, I don't know how I missed Tony Bennett dying You.
29:57
Missed. Yeah, you missed Tony Bennett,
30:01
so I don't feel so bad. You're like, what?
30:02
He blasphemy? I was like, wait, what He.
30:05
Wasn't he? Was He's a nut diet.
30:07
What? Do you?
30:08
Well, he was another one who had just did a Gaga.
30:12
Yeah, which is probably in my mind, I'm still picturing him
30:15
alive with her, right. And because they did that whole.
30:19
Yeah, they did that whole. Shortly after, yeah.
30:22
They did that, Yeah. They were talking, they were
30:24
doing like a 60 minutes thing about how music helps people
30:27
with Alzheimer's and you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.
30:30
So in my mind, he has never died.
30:32
I think a couple singing with Lady Gaga.
30:35
I think a couple big ones. Willie Nelson still with us.
30:38
Willie will be a big one. William Shatner, Captain Kirk is
30:41
still with us 9394. So there are some some pretty
30:45
big, big, big celebrities still still with us.
30:49
And again, it we just judge our own mortality by that because
30:53
like, Malcolm is our age. Like oh Dang Dang.
30:57
That we all grew up together, basically.
31:00
That puts us, puts it into reality for us.
31:02
Like, OK, this, this, you know, we're, we're not getting any
31:05
younger, Michelle. No, but I don't want to be
31:09
reminded of that. I mean, I guess we should
31:13
because. We make go out my three ways and
31:16
you don't have to worry about it.
31:18
Yeah, which is funny because Jay like the sex one.
31:22
I mean, I'm going to have to mark as explicit again.
31:24
Anyway, it's fine. The sex 1 And that's what he
31:28
always joked how he wants to die is having sex and it's like well
31:32
I don't want you to die on top of me like what this.
31:36
Is. Not going to be great for me.
31:40
Like like what? I think you can say the sex word
31:44
on a podcast, I think. You're good.
31:45
You can yes, but I'll probably so when I upload us to all these
31:51
different, you know, podcast choices for everybody, whether
31:54
it's Spotify, Apple, blah, blah, blah, you have to check whether
31:57
you're explicit and depending on what we say, what cuss words we
32:02
talk about sex, you know, all kinds of stuff.
32:04
Then I have to click that because of it.
32:08
But I it's fine. I don't care.
32:10
I, I was interested when we uploaded Logan's albums many,
32:14
many years ago, he had a couple songs where he had cuss words in
32:16
it, like just one or two. And I thought, well, is this
32:20
explicit or not? And so we decided not to put it
32:22
up because it's a, it's a cuss word.
32:25
So does a song. OK, great example.
32:28
Does a, does a, a word a cuss word in a song make it explicit?
32:35
Like if you say damn or hell, damn or hell in a song.
32:39
I would think yes, it's. Interesting that you think the
32:42
for me, I'm good with damn or hell or any of that.
32:45
Now the new Sabrina Carpenter, which I love manchild, she goes,
32:49
that's my life. Okay, well, that would be that
32:52
would be explicit to me. But if she said damn woo damn, I
32:57
don't know why consider that explicit.
33:00
Well, and. The needle has moved as far as
33:03
that kind of stuff goes compared to just a few years ago.
33:07
I mean, yeah, I remember hearing Jay-Z.
33:09
Can I get a what? What?
33:10
OK, Cuz that was a clean version that we would play on the radio.
33:13
And then I heard it on satellite radio.
33:15
The real song, basically what we were playing on pop radio wasn't
33:21
even the real song. And I couldn't believe it.
33:25
I thought it wasn't the same song.
33:27
I'm going in the world. This is crazy.
33:31
Well, even from, because even the even the Sabrina Carpenter
33:35
Espresso song, she changed the lyrics for the radio edit
33:38
because that's not the real lyrics.
33:39
So you're like, wow. And so Can you imagine being
33:42
parents? I remember when Fetty Wap was
33:45
big and I remember that there was a song that was on the radio
33:48
and then Fetty Wap and Chiron. Chiron was into Fetty Wap and he
33:52
popped it in. Oh, I want to hear Fetty Wap and
33:54
his mom's listening. And she goes, what the is this?
33:58
And he wasn't allowed. Yeah.
33:59
He was like, no, you're not going to listen.
34:01
You know, I remember the first time Logan and I were driving
34:03
around a Akon. Akon.
34:07
And so he pops it in and he's in high school, and it has the N
34:10
word, you know, because it was Akon.
34:13
It's Akon. I said, oh, no, you don't.
34:15
And he started singing. I'm like, no, you don't.
34:18
No, you don't. Those are the lyrics.
34:21
I'm like, no you don't. That doesn't matter.
34:23
They could sing that. They could say that word and
34:25
sing that word. But you, you.
34:27
I know. But it's the same thing as
34:28
Nelly. If you listen to Nelly or any of
34:30
that stuff, you're like, whoa, what?
34:32
Yeah, there's yeah. So, So yeah, I, I think what we
34:36
just said is not explicit, just throwing it out there.
34:39
Yeah, I mean, Shaylee was five and Britney Spears, I want to Go
34:43
All the way was on Playing on the radio, and she's on the back
34:45
seat. I, I, I, they want to go and I'm
34:51
like, Oh my God, please don't sing that in kindergarten.
34:53
Please do not go and sing this in kindergarten.
34:57
Well, I remember many years ago I got a call from tri-cities
35:00
when I was working in Yakima, where Katy Perry's Menage A
35:03
Trois was in the middle of the song.
35:06
We can't air this. I'm like, no, no one's going to
35:08
ask. They're like, what do you do?
35:09
I said, well, I said worst case scenario, just reverse it so
35:12
it's gargled. But I said no one, no one.
35:15
What if so much it's on the school bus, someone's going to
35:18
go what? Anyway, Yeah.
35:20
I mean, Speaking of, you know, we talked about George Michael,
35:22
remember, I want your sex. We could only play it after
35:25
10:00 PM at night. It couldn't be played any
35:29
earlier during. The song is so tame.
35:32
Now. Oh.
35:34
It's so tame. I remember the skating rink when
35:36
I worked at When I worked at the skating rink, you couldn't play
35:39
it. Radio did not play it until
35:42
after like 10:00 at night like that.
35:45
After 10. I will get, I will give you
35:47
credit. That Faith album for me is
35:51
quintessential. It's an exception.
35:53
That yeah, I Want Your Sex For the Longest time, one of my
35:57
favorite, favorite songs off that album.
35:59
I love, I love that song. I love that album.
36:01
But yeah, I think about all those great albums, Def Leppard,
36:04
Hysteria, George Michael, Faith. There's so many great albums
36:07
right in that that Guns N' Roses, Appetite for Destruction.
36:11
Different. We had the I'm sorry, kids.
36:14
We had the best albums. We still do.
36:18
I mean, they're recycling our music with they are, you know,
36:22
the little hooks of all the songs that were popular when we
36:25
were growing up now, but. I'm still, but again, I'm still
36:28
jamming. I still love my Sabrina
36:29
Carpenter. I love the Joe Burgers.
36:31
I mean, there's a lot of great artists.
36:34
Alton Boone. Yeah, there's a ton of great I
36:37
well, I'm a Top 40 kids, so to me, I like to hear the new Top
36:40
40 music and then the new songs. Oh, there's a great song.
36:43
Is it Lola Lola Young or Lola Lola Lola Young?
36:49
And the song is called Messy I. Was just going to say, is that
36:52
the messy song? That's a great.
36:53
Song. Yeah, yeah.
36:55
It's like I'm a little bit messy and all that.
36:56
Lola. Yeah, it's Lola Young.
36:58
I love that. What is it?
37:00
Chapel. Rowan Chapel.
37:02
Love that. Yeah, yeah, that's a good jam.
37:08
That's my jam, yeah. So yeah, yeah, I like songs like
37:12
that. So I like Top 40 me.
37:14
Too, I still listen to it even though some of the words I I
37:17
can't understand what. They're saying now you don't
37:19
want to hear the album version, I guess.
37:22
No, I don't. I'd be shocked.
37:25
I'd be Jay-Z shocked. Basically, yeah.
37:30
All right, now that we've talked about deaths like crazy and all
37:34
kinds of stuff, how you going to pick this up?
37:35
How you? Going to how you going to Pep?
37:37
This baby. Well, I did want to touch on the
37:40
Stephen Colbert thing because I think it really, we've talked
37:45
about how we've gotten in trouble for reading a story
37:48
about Pepsi or Coke or whatever. And then locally we've gotten in
37:53
trouble with the regional Pepsi, Coke distributors and, you know,
37:58
gotten called in and talked to and blah, blah, blah.
38:01
So it's kind of the same, just in a whole bigger light.
38:05
Basically, Stephen Colbert is one of the top rated late night
38:10
shows. So why are you giving him the
38:13
boot other than this deal that you want to push through?
38:17
And that was part of the deal was he's got to go because he's
38:19
making fun of people. Get a book about it.
38:23
I'll be you. You say your piece, and then I
38:25
think I'm going to be devil. I'm actually going to be devil's
38:27
advocate on this one. Yeah, well, I at least my
38:31
viewpoint of it. I yes, I totally think that was
38:34
part of the deal or the arrangement or the back, this
38:37
shaking the hands, back door deal, whatever you want to call
38:39
it, like, well, this guy has to go because he makes fun of me.
38:42
I don't like it. So in order for this to go
38:45
through with the FCC, you got to, you got to get rid of him
38:49
kind of thing. That's what I think happened.
38:53
OK, so again, I love Stephen Colbert absolutely 100%.
38:58
I like Jimmy Fallon, I like Jimmy Kimmel.
39:01
I like them all, Conan, all that.
39:03
I look at it, I really think humbly, I submit to the court,
39:09
you can deny this. I really think streaming has
39:13
changed everything. If if there was ever a radio
39:15
killed the video star, I think the cost of running that show
39:19
late night, even though it it still does well, I mean, they
39:23
cancel shows now that are are 6 or 7 million people.
39:28
If it's six or 7 million, they'll cancel your especially
39:31
CBS. Well, CBS especially, you know,
39:34
they're your your SWAT TV show or whatever they are.
39:37
They're still doing well in the ratings, but the cost to produce
39:41
it, they're just like this isn't worth it to do it anymore.
39:44
So for Stephen Colbert, I know, I mean, I'm a big Stephen
39:48
Colbert fan. If you're talking my favorite
39:49
late night guy right now, it's absolutely Stephen Colbert.
39:52
And I loved him on The Daily Show.
39:54
I like Jon Stewart, I like all of that.
39:57
I for once am actually going to say I think this is I think
39:59
streaming. Same with movies right now.
40:02
I think movies outside of your big, you know, blockbusters and
40:06
they're not and they're not blockbusters anymore.
40:09
Like they all not in the. Old days.
40:12
Right, they wish they had a billion dollar movie now it
40:15
takes now it takes everything that's got to even make 600
40:19
million and that again, that's still so much money.
40:22
It's insane. And I think that that bean
40:25
counters get in there. I think bean counters get in
40:27
there. I think corporate people get in
40:28
there and they got a the IT it for me, I really believe it's
40:33
all about how can I get, how can I get my raise and I and I.
40:38
The shareholders and the board. Now I got the money.
40:42
I do absolutely. I believe, I believe number one,
40:45
more than anything else before they sell it, the goal is to
40:49
drive stock price and and to get, you know, make the bottom
40:54
line attractive. So Stephen Colbert, besides all
40:58
the stuff that he says is a casualty of that, they're like,
41:02
well, they're like, well, we're already, you know, we might as
41:04
well just make this change. And I think, I think late night,
41:08
I say five years from now, I think late night'll go away.
41:10
I don't think, I don't think those shows, even from the the
41:13
other stations, I don't think it'll exist.
41:14
Because once you and I both know, because we've been in
41:17
radio a long time, once somebody does something, everybody else
41:21
follows, right. And because what they'll do with
41:25
Nielsen is they'll go, OK, what are the ratings now that Stephen
41:27
Colbert's gone? They're exactly the same as they
41:30
were. Well, then, then in C goes,
41:33
well, you know what, Jimmy Fallon, I don't need you.
41:36
And then ABC goes Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Kimmel, I don't need you.
41:39
Because if the ratings don't deviate, they'll they'll,
41:45
they'll dance the jig. Right, because they should both
41:47
go up for both of them because we're are those viewers going to
41:50
go now? So.
41:52
Well, they right, But if yeah, so it'll be curious now if it
41:55
plummets. Now, if it plummets, then it'll
41:58
be then it'll be late night with so and so somebody else will be
42:01
there because they realize it's too much of A revenue hit.
42:03
But if they lose no revenue from getting rid of Stephen Colbert,
42:06
the other late night shows, oh, wow, we don't need because they
42:10
still, yeah, they make what, 12,000,020?
42:13
I mean, they still get paid a lot of money.
42:17
Right, which I think Stephen Colbert show brought in like 160
42:21
million in AD revenue, don't quote me on that, but I think
42:24
that's what I heard so. Well, and again, it's a number.
42:27
It's a lot of money. It's a numbers game.
42:31
And it also takes like 200 people to, you know, to do the
42:34
show, One of those shows that's. The.
42:36
Same. I couldn't imagine that kind of
42:39
man, I couldn't imagine that. So and and again, we're working
42:44
in radio where we're we just had a couple layoffs in our
42:47
building. We're still seeing layoffs.
42:48
So and it's all about getting that again, it's all about
42:52
getting that stock price up for the stockholders.
42:54
So you're, you know, sad the listeners best interest is not.
42:58
In the stock? Oh no.
43:00
And to and to think and to think that it is, that is the most
43:03
ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my entire life, even from a
43:06
radio standpoint. You know, we used to be very
43:08
proud of being live and local and and we make a lot of excuses
43:13
for not being local these days. You have one.
43:16
Yeah. Well, but.
43:17
But. But we have one DJ on the
43:19
station. OK.
43:22
Wow, that's how they justify being local.
43:27
Yeah, yeah. I mean, or or and and not even
43:29
live, they're voice tracks. So because remember, we're
43:33
peeling the veil behind this away.
43:35
Yes, which we talked about. That, that, that DJs are not
43:38
24/7 and they're not live in the studios.
43:41
They're, I mean, I do do a live morning show.
43:43
I'm very grateful to do that, but it's not it's not the norm.
43:46
Great. So, yeah, I think the Steven so
43:49
devil's advocate, not I think it was their excuse to get rid of
43:54
Stephen Colbert. That was, that was their their
43:57
out. It probably speed up the
43:59
process. I think I do agree with you
44:02
legacy like radio, TV, how we consume media, all that I say in
44:09
a few years right that it will be completely different.
44:13
And so yeah, I think it just speed up that because they want
44:17
this merger to. Happen AI standpoint we were
44:19
just talking about there's a radio company, one of the major
44:21
radio companies is going to use AI.
44:23
So the big voice guy you hear between the songs we talked
44:26
about at previous podcast, the, the person that's in between the
44:29
music, not the DJ, they're going to have AI.
44:32
And and so just think about that.
44:33
Each of those stations that are on in America, let's just say
44:36
hypothetically, some VO guy voice over guy gets paid 400
44:40
bucks a month to do that times that by 500 stations.
44:44
That's how much the company saves by just doing AI, and that
44:47
is around the corner and AI is getting better and better.
44:52
Yes, and all those voice over guys are going to lose their
44:56
jobs. Well, yeah, absolutely.
44:58
And the newest thing that the newest toy we're getting that I
45:02
guess in a couple weeks is there's an AI program that we
45:06
can talk to ourselves basically. So so I can record myself going,
45:10
hey, I want to a great example is hey, I want to win some
45:12
Maroon 5 tickets. I put that me saying that into
45:16
this AI thing and I could be female, I could be male, I could
45:20
be whoever. And so when I'm on there, I'm
45:22
like 98.3 the key. Rick Michaels with you.
45:24
Hey, how can I win Maroon 5 tickets?
45:26
I'm talk. It's me talking to myself.
45:28
But the voice has changed. That's the new that's going to
45:32
be the new toy. So basically we don't need
45:35
those. I don't even need phone callers.
45:37
Great. I was just going to say you
45:38
don't need these actors and actresses for, you know, when we
45:41
talked about like the second day update, all that stuff that's on
45:43
the radio that is all actors and now you have AI that could do
45:48
that. That is crazy.
45:49
Yeah, so, so fight, so, so you know, 'cause remember back when
45:52
we were on the air, Oh, you got to be a, you have to have a lot
45:54
of phones, remember? I'm sure you got that grass.
45:56
Oh God. You need phones.
46:00
Every break needs to be a phoner.
46:01
OK, well sometimes. Trust me, there wasn't.
46:03
There was not good phoners or it was a slow day, especially
46:06
during summer. That's what I was going to say.
46:07
Not all of them are good, and even trying to chop them up to
46:11
make them sound good sometimes was impossible.
46:14
Well, now you could. Now you can ask the topic and
46:17
give yourself the answer. That is so weird.
46:22
That is so weird. OK, well, when you can make
46:25
yourself a female, when this, when you get this new little toy
46:28
like I want to, I want to hear this.
46:31
So Woody, Woody a while back, he has a production tool that does
46:35
it and for the heck of it, Patty and I both sent some VO to him
46:39
and he turned into a female and for some commercial radio
46:42
commercial. How did how did you sound?
46:44
Sound well it sound like a girl. I mean some people would accuse
46:48
me of sound like a girl but no it.
46:51
Don't sound like a girl. Definitely sounded yeah, you
46:54
can't tell the difference. I mean it and and they're it's
46:58
going to get better. AI is going to get better.
47:01
Right, which I was going to ask because you know, with some of
47:04
the AI art and pictures you can tell has that.
47:07
Oh. My gosh.
47:08
Touch to it. And so that was that was going
47:11
to be my question like, OK, that's why I was asking how well
47:15
you sounded as a female. You know, can you can you tell
47:18
is it like the pictures that we're seeing which are going to
47:21
get better? They are as AI grows.
47:24
Right now, one of the number one bands on Spotify is Velvet Sun.
47:27
The band is called Velvet Sundown.
47:30
It loaded up two albums a few weeks ago.
47:32
It's number one on Spotify and they discovered, guess what?
47:36
It was all AI generated. Yeah, I read about that and I
47:39
had to go. I had to go.
47:40
Listen, I went. And heard the song and I went,
47:42
wow, I went that song is actually not bad.
47:47
So did. I like that kind of music.
47:50
That's a whole album of that. So are we, are we going to that
47:54
future to where you don't even need real musicians or
47:57
performers anymore too on top of.
48:01
Probably. And that's you know why during
48:03
the the writers strike that they wanted it in there that they
48:07
weren't going to use AI to write these show scripts and stories
48:10
and movie scripts and they saw the writing on the wall.
48:15
So. It just, if you're, if you're in
48:18
a creative field, it, it changes everything.
48:21
And so I'll be curious to see what that does now.
48:24
Right now, I mean, it's, it's not perfected, but give it five
48:28
years. Oh yeah.
48:30
People and and then and then it comes down to how are people can
48:33
consume it? You know, are they if, if they,
48:35
if, if people are all in on AI, then then you're shit out of
48:39
luck that that will be the new accepted.
48:40
It's the same thing as when again, go back to Walmart, go
48:44
back to Walmart when Walmart moved into town.
48:46
You know, it's like, well, I'll still go to Jim's hardware to
48:48
buy my $8 hammer and Walmart's got it at 4 bucks and, and
48:53
people go, I'm never going to Walmart.
48:54
Well, now they all go to Walmart, They all go to Costco,
48:57
they all go to the big box stores because Jim's Hardware
49:01
could not have everything. Bane that those?
49:06
And so it, yeah. And so they and and people
49:09
change. But definitely so which I my
49:13
thought is kind of the same, especially because you know,
49:17
everybody wants real, real content, real this real,
49:21
whatever. Well, AI is not real.
49:23
So how is that going to mesh with that happening?
49:28
Which I feel like because so many influencers, everything is
49:31
filtered and fake. And, you know, you can rent out
49:35
houses for all these influencers and make it look like that's
49:39
really their house when that's not really where they live.
49:42
And so we live in this world where everything that you
49:44
consume could be fake, and now everybody is hungry for real
49:48
things. But how is AI going to play into
49:51
that? Because it's not real at all.
49:54
One single bit so. Well, I think YouTube is doing a
49:57
good thing, which I actually salute YouTube on this.
49:59
They're demonetizing anything that's AI.
50:03
If you're not real, it's they they've they've caught up, thank
50:06
goodness, or they're going to start policing it to where the
50:10
content has to be like like you and I right now.
50:12
This is I mean, this is real. As bad as it is, it's it's at
50:16
least real. It's not I am not an I, I am not
50:19
AII am a real card then so. That's how you know this is
50:24
real, because how bad we are. I was thinking about it was
50:27
like, so I was thinking about you and me or anybody else.
50:33
I have such a unique delivery, but how would how could you
50:37
replicate? There are some people that you
50:41
that are just unique sounding. Yes.
50:45
So it's like how's and but I but I'm like, you never know, AI
50:48
could replicate me in five years.
50:50
I was going to say I'm sure AI can learn.
50:53
Can learn like yeah, exactly. Yeah, so, so they got it right
50:56
with Terminator, like, uh oh, AIS, the ice covered.
51:01
But but for our, but for our colleagues in the business,
51:04
it'll be interesting to see how much more.
51:07
And and this whole illusion, I'm going to throw it out there
51:10
right now. This illusion, to think that
51:13
you're going to go back the way you came is an illusion.
51:18
It's like, yeah, so there might be like down the road, a
51:22
backlash from AI, but they're not going to restaff radio
51:25
stations with full talent and all that.
51:27
That's. Just never.
51:29
Because that's been that's been the big dream.
51:30
You go on these radio groups and they're all like, oh, you know
51:34
that all Mon Mon pause are going to come back and buy all the
51:36
radio stations and it's going to be live.
51:39
Sorry. Oh, I didn't know that was.
51:42
I'm not, I'm not in these forums.
51:44
Oh. That's the big dream that I
51:45
heart goes bankrupt or all go bankrupt in Mon pause.
51:50
You know, somebody, somebody in Yakima is going to want to buy
51:53
the stations and and then they're going to suddenly staff
51:56
up with live disc jockeys. It doesn't work that way.
52:00
You never go back the way you came.
52:02
No, I mean it might just be a placeholder for where it
52:07
currently is, but it isn't going to go back to the way it was
52:10
completely, you know, with 24 hour live deejays won't ever go
52:16
back to that ever actually. Crazy at the end, sadly, it'll
52:19
be less and less. Always will be.
52:21
Less. And if you're lucky to do it,
52:23
then you're lucky to do it. So I, you know, again, knock on
52:25
wood, happy to do it. But again, I also know what's I
52:28
also know what's around the bend and, and if, and I've always
52:31
told people that, hey, if it ended today, so be it.
52:34
I mean, my son and I had this conversation and he was like.
52:36
Dad, I'm really, he goes. I'm really worried.
52:38
About you Dad, I'm like and I said why?
52:39
And he goes. He goes, radio is irrelevant and
52:41
you're, you know, and you're going to be gone.
52:43
You're going to lose your job someday.
52:45
What are you going to do when you're 60 years old?
52:47
Well, I said, son, I will work. He's like, what do you mean?
52:50
I go, I go, I go to work and he goes, but not radio.
52:55
I'm like, I'm capable of doing other things.
52:59
I said I hadn't. I I did things before I did
53:02
radio, so not that I want to go do those things, but yeah, it's,
53:07
it made me laugh though. He was worried about my
53:09
longevity. That.
53:11
I yeah, she's like, he's like, you know, and I and I do.
53:14
I get it. I've got, I've, I've got if I'm
53:16
lucky, I've got 10 more years left if I'm lucky.
53:21
I mean I was going to say 10 is 10 might be pushing it.
53:24
Might be pushing it. I might, yeah.
53:26
But but you. But if anybody could do it.
53:30
It's going to be you. You're going to be the one in
53:32
that radio station. Put your money.
53:34
You better put your money down on Rick, right?
53:37
You know that. Yes.
53:39
Are we betting on this now that you're going to be 50 bucks in
53:43
10 years? You're going to be the last one
53:45
at the radio station? Yep.
53:46
You better. You better bet it you better.
53:48
Or is it going to happen sooner? Yeah, so, well, celebrity, we
53:55
would all we, we bounced like a ball today.
53:58
We did, yeah. We didn't even get to Jeffrey.
54:00
I've seen it either. Like, Oh yeah, do you want OK.
54:03
That was on my list. I mean, we're sitting at like
54:05
almost an hour, so. Do you want to?
54:09
OK, so I mean. So I don't know if we want to
54:11
dive into this now. I mean, if we do, we can't go on
54:15
these tyrants and down all these little rabbit holes that we go
54:18
down if we do so. I say on both sides, if there is
54:22
a list, release the list. That's just so stupid.
54:26
Right. It makes no sense to me why the
54:30
Republicans in the House voted not to release the list if there
54:33
is a list and now they went home for recess early so that they
54:38
couldn't keep bringing these up to vote.
54:41
And now David Blanche is going to go visit jizzling whatever
54:47
her name is in in prison. Which Bill Barr went to go visit
54:52
Jeffrey Epstein before he killed himself.
54:56
So that's a little iffy right there.
54:58
And also, and my question is why is there 3 minutes missing from
55:02
the original Jeffrey Epstein prison video and their excuses?
55:07
Well, that's how the system resets itself or whatever they
55:10
said. I'm sorry, what prison or jail
55:13
system has that where you're missing 3 minutes of video every
55:18
day so that the system can reset or whatever it's doing?
55:22
None of this makes any sense whatsoever and I feel like they
55:28
don't if there is a list that they don't want to release it
55:33
the House Republicans anyway because people live like they
55:37
live off this conspiracy that this list is out there.
55:41
And if they do release something that there isn't names or there
55:45
is names, then that all just goes away.
55:48
And what is the next conspiracy going to be like?
55:51
This feeds those people. Does that make sense?
55:54
It's the red meat. So that's that's what they live
55:57
by. And and we were talking about
55:59
how do you want to live your life?
56:00
Do you want to live your life with red meat in your, in your
56:04
day, daily diet, just period all the time?
56:08
I think the goal in life is to be a better human being.
56:11
And so would I be shocked by anybody on the, the nothing?
56:14
I, I guess the older I get, nothing shocks me so.
56:18
And, and I've always been in the camp that I don't care if you're
56:22
Democrat or Republican, if you're a criminal, you're asked
56:24
to be in jail. Exactly.
56:27
Period. That's it, plain and simple.
56:28
I don't give a crap about your political leanings.
56:31
And and so and this the ridiculousness of this Trump
56:35
just put up the Obama getting arrested for the Epstein list or
56:38
whatever. This means this you, you are a
56:41
sitting president. You should be A and and again,
56:44
but they I mean I could go on for hours now I won't do that.
56:49
They're, they're saying that right, that it was the Obama did
56:53
the OK for the, the Russian investigation.
56:56
Well, he was president and so based on the Supreme Court that
57:01
he's in, he's immune based off of their decision, it was a
57:04
presidential decision in his job.
57:08
So that makes him immune to whatever you want to say,
57:11
regardless of if if it's true or not.
57:13
So I mean, it doesn't really matter.
57:16
They live off of that. They live off of that.
57:20
I think truthfully, at the end of the day, and I liked him.
57:23
I think he's great. Probably one of our most boring
57:27
presidents was Obama. Like they're like 0 scandals 0.
57:32
No, no, the tan suit, remember? Oh yeah, wearing wearing a tan
57:38
suit. That was Oh yeah, how dare he
57:40
wear a tan suit. I remember that's.
57:42
All they had on his man. But they've been trying to pin
57:45
anything and everything on him and and again, they zilch 0 So
57:52
to me, it's like I'm I'm in the camp of put up or shut up.
57:55
If this list is out there, you know, I mean, but they're
57:59
obsessed with it. They're obsessed with it.
58:01
And and if the and if the list didn't exist, why did you vote
58:03
for it not to be released? Yeah, again, it makes no sense
58:09
to me. Like I said, they're either
58:10
doing that because they know, you know, if there is not a
58:14
list, then they're based that lives off of these conspiracy
58:18
theories. What are what are the what are
58:20
they going to live off of now? Again, going back to when Bush,
58:25
I mean when Trump was on the bus with Billy Bush and grab him by
58:29
the. Yeah.
58:31
By the Hoo ha, that should have been it.
58:34
Oh yeah, or making fun of that disabled reporter.
58:37
Any of that. So even like, oh, I, you know, I
58:40
try to make, I try to make a move on her, but she was
58:42
married. All of that should have
58:44
disqualified you. But it won't, you know, even
58:47
John McCain that I like, I like people who don't get captured.
58:52
You never served. John McCain is a hero.
58:55
I don't care if I'm looking or not.
58:57
John McCain's a hero. Right.
58:59
I had so much respect for John McCain when he put that Lady in
59:03
her place when they he was campaigning against Obama.
59:09
And he goes. He's a good man and.
59:13
They would have lunch together. I loved hearing that they would
59:17
have lunch together after Obama was president and McCain was a
59:20
sitting senator, and they would meet for lunch.
59:23
And, and to me, that's how our the democracy is supposed to
59:28
work. We're supposed to have those
59:30
disagreements. But at the end of the day, we
59:33
should all be able to come together and talk and not hate
59:37
each other. Like now.
59:38
It's like I hate you kind of mentality.
59:42
You know, it's a ridiculous it's the same even going back to the
59:44
the Bush and Clinton relationship.
59:47
They're best buddies and Jenna Bush was talking about Oh my
59:51
goes, you know, and you see the and you see them when they come
59:53
together for a funeral. You know, they're joking around
59:57
now. Guess who they don't go near?
59:59
They don't Republicans and the Democrats.
1:00:02
I mean so, so it's like. It's it's just, it's just weird,
1:00:08
you know, I mean it and and it's a cult and they're crazy.
1:00:11
I remember when James Mattis, who was the big general who's
1:00:15
from Richland, WA, he's from here, he's from tri-cities and
1:00:18
he disavowed Trump. And I'm hearing down the hallway
1:00:22
from the conservative radio station.
1:00:24
He's a traitor. Hang James Mattis.
1:00:27
I mean, the guy is from our town.
1:00:28
He's from Richland and and people down the hallway were
1:00:33
screaming. He's a traitor.
1:00:35
He's betrayed us. What are you that much of A cult
1:00:38
leader? Are you that much of A cultist
1:00:40
that that you that somebody who's from your own hometown who
1:00:44
goes this guy's not good? Right.
1:00:47
Or even saying, you know, hang him, which again, right.
1:00:53
I yeah, I've heard people, you know, my friends that have
1:00:57
friends and I've heard the other person on the phone and they are
1:01:01
talking about the liberal snowflakes and how I can't wait
1:01:04
for them to die and, you know, stuff like that.
1:01:07
And in my mind, I'm thinking there's no way that you can
1:01:13
rationalize with this person that, oh, you know, we're,
1:01:17
we're, we're the same. We're not the same because that
1:01:19
person wants to see me dead based off of my beliefs or what
1:01:24
I think. And I don't think the same about
1:01:26
that person. My thought is like, we we live
1:01:31
in a country where we can have differing views on politics but
1:01:35
not want to kill each other based off of it.
1:01:38
Like, to me, that was shocking to hear that this was a couple
1:01:42
years ago. And it really brought to light
1:01:45
that, OK, we are not the same people at all when it comes to
1:01:51
this kind of stuff. And.
1:01:53
It it my mind is blown because for me, songs like God bless the
1:01:58
USA, love that Daryl Worley's have you forgotten?
1:02:02
I mean, these are all powerful songs to me.
1:02:05
I love these songs. You know what I'm saying?
1:02:08
And and in my hearts of heart, I'm I'm incredibly patriotic and
1:02:11
I stand behind our service people and the work that they do
1:02:15
and and the sacrifices they make.
1:02:17
Some gave all Billy Ray Cyrus. I'm thinking of all these great
1:02:19
songs not and and not but but because I didn't vote for your
1:02:25
dude, I should be hung like that's.
1:02:29
The. That's the dumbest crap I've
1:02:31
ever heard in my entire life. Or that or because because you
1:02:34
and I don't see eye to eye, I'm not patriotic or I don't stand
1:02:37
behind our troops. That's the dumbest crap I've
1:02:39
ever you know, I've never heard. I've just I just I've never
1:02:42
understood that mentality. I don't I don't live by that
1:02:45
mentality. It's like, it's so stupid.
1:02:49
So yes, I, I released the Epstein list.
1:02:52
I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be shocked.
1:02:53
You know, if Clinton's on there, great.
1:02:55
If Trump's on there, great. I'm just saying they say like
1:02:58
Bill Gates is on there. Well, if he is, then it would.
1:03:02
Not shock me no one you know I don't care who's on there it but
1:03:05
but if if that list exists, get it out in the world because
1:03:10
they're criminals and people need to know about it.
1:03:13
But then again, president's a criminal, so. 3434 felonies. 34
1:03:20
felonies. So I mean and again, and, but I
1:03:23
don't, but I don't, but I don't sit with the cultists and try to
1:03:27
convince them. You're never going to convince
1:03:29
them any different and. I.
1:03:31
I always tell I love this line. Someone told me a few years back
1:03:34
was the only opinion you care about is that your opinions
1:03:38
coming out of my mouth? So it's like, if you and I
1:03:41
disagree, you know, then you have then you don't you, you
1:03:45
don't care about my opinion. Now if you and I are saying the
1:03:48
same thing, Oh, you love that. So, so yes, release I'm I'm yes.
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I don't know what they're hiding.
1:03:55
Release it. It's so stupid.
1:03:57
All of that to me just drives me nuts.
1:03:59
Do you think it actually exists? Do you think it's a real list?
1:04:05
I didn't at first, but I I do there has there has to be some
1:04:10
kind of not maybe not necessarily a list, but.
1:04:14
There's a client list. There's a black book.
1:04:16
Yes, which like which Jeffrey Epstein's black book had like 10
1:04:21
different phone numbers for Donald Trump in it that he could
1:04:25
be raged at. It's just stuff like that that
1:04:28
it's like OK, well, and these all why aren't they talking to
1:04:33
all these victims? Like all these victims know who
1:04:38
who the clients were, they can give them all the details.
1:04:41
They should be talking to them, not just laying or whatever her
1:04:45
name is in jail. The the victims know all the
1:04:50
people that they had to deal with and what happened to them,
1:04:54
and those should be. You're dealing with powerful
1:04:57
rich people. Go back to go back to Bill
1:05:00
Cosby, go back to any of those situations.
1:05:02
Money. The most crazy thing about money
1:05:05
is money buys you a lot. I remember seeing a great
1:05:08
interview with Lisa Marie Presley with Michael Jackson.
1:05:10
And, and she was talking about she did love, she really loved
1:05:14
Michael. And she says, but you don't
1:05:16
understand what it's like to be married to somebody where no one
1:05:20
says no to, period. When you're that wealthy,
1:05:25
everybody says yes. And you live in a bubble and you
1:05:28
live in a bubble. You live in a bubble.
1:05:32
So you're so wealthy and you live in a bubble and no one
1:05:35
tells you no. That's the fantasy.
1:05:37
That's not the reality of the world.
1:05:39
That's the fantasy. So I think when it comes to
1:05:42
these poor victims and this situation, this does the
1:05:46
talking. Right, which if you look at
1:05:49
Jeffrey Epstein's original sentence, it was only 13 months
1:05:52
because he cut that deal. And like you or I like, if that
1:05:56
would have happened and we would have had a public defender, we
1:05:59
would have been put away for, you know, life.
1:06:01
I mean, that's just the facts of it.
1:06:03
But because he was well connected and had all this
1:06:05
money, that's how he was cut this deal so.
1:06:09
Yes, wealth has wealth has privileges.
1:06:12
And. The ultra wealthy, which you
1:06:15
cannot comprehend. I couldn't even imagine what you
1:06:19
know. $50 million wedding. Any of that stuff.
1:06:23
So yeah, but but I'm also like, if, you know, if they're
1:06:25
criminals, they're criminals and I don't care.
1:06:27
Again, I'll go back to marital statement.
1:06:29
I don't care if you're Democrat or Republican, independent,
1:06:31
whatever. You're a piece of shit.
1:06:33
You go to jail. Right.
1:06:35
Yeah, which Why haven't any of these men gone to jail?
1:06:37
That's been my question all along before.
1:06:40
You know, men get off all the time.
1:06:42
You know hubbub, you know. Men are.
1:06:45
Treated. Men are treated different than
1:06:48
women. Plainly.
1:06:49
Definitely. Plain and simple, yeah.
1:06:51
Well, hopefully that ends at some point in our lifetime.
1:06:56
Probably won't. Sad.
1:06:58
Sad. True probably will not end in
1:06:59
our lifetime. Yeah.
1:07:01
Well, on that happy note, we can probably end our podcast was
1:07:04
that. A happy note, all right.
1:07:07
That's sarcastic. That's Logan.
1:07:08
Sarcasm. Sarcasm.
1:07:09
There you. Go.
1:07:11
I don't. I don't know if that is Logan
1:07:13
sarcasm. Anyway.
1:07:16
All right, well, thank you all so much for listening to Rick
1:07:18
and that Michelle chick.