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Mirage Men · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show with your hosts Adam Todd
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  Speaker 1: Brown and Conor mcspatting.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown.
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  Speaker 2: Connor mcspadden got called into a writing room today to
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  Speaker 2: write jokes for someone a roast, some sort of Comedy
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  Speaker 2: Central roast thing. I'm sure he does that all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Good for him out there getting paid to work like
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  Speaker 2: a fucking idiot. What a dork. Laura Crawford's joining me though,
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  Speaker 2: Nan guest today. Yeah, it's so early. I I like
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  Speaker 2: this new schedule where I kind of forced comics to
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  Speaker 2: just roll out of bed and then come and record.
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  Speaker 3: I know I did a show last night. It arrested
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  Speaker 3: Andre the Giant at the Comedy Store, so that was late.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good today. I'm gonna get to win it.
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  Speaker 2: You've yet to ask me to make you coffee? No,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to it happens. I've had a free plushy,
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  Speaker 2: and who am I to coffee?
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  Speaker 3: But also, you know it's your last name Donuts, first
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  Speaker 3: name Duncan. It's not your responsibility exactly to bring some
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  Speaker 3: Starbucks depend on coffee.
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  Speaker 2: So we are talking about a documentary today, a documentary
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  Speaker 2: called Mirage Men, which I've I've recommended it to people
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  Speaker 2: on this podcast a few different times, although every time
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  Speaker 2: I've recommended it, I forgot the name.
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  Speaker 3: It's not Yeah, it's not mirage Men. It's a bit
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  Speaker 3: it's not as obvious as you would think. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 3: gas Land or like yeah, I think another capturing the
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  Speaker 3: Freedman's or those things just roll off the top.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I finally I finally tracked it down. But
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  Speaker 2: I just literally googled the premise and it came right up.
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  Speaker 2: So I probably could have sorted that out a while ago.
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  Speaker 2: But ah, who's got the time?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's a twenty thirteen documentary film directed by John Lundberg,
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  Speaker 2: the boss in Office Space. Yes I believe. Now his
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  Speaker 2: name was Bill, isn't it Bill Lumberg? Yeah? But still Lomberg?
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  Speaker 2: You fucked Blomberg.
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  Speaker 3: Ah.
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  Speaker 2: Still a good reference, yeah, I think. And it's a
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  Speaker 2: film about how the government used mythology and information to
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  Speaker 2: cover up advanced technology that we're working on or is
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  Speaker 2: it about that? I feel like like I halfway through this,
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  Speaker 2: I felt like, is this part of it? Like are
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  Speaker 2: they doing it again? Like they're like it's it's uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's a confusing watch.
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  Speaker 3: It is a confusing watch, and it's and when you've
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  Speaker 3: seen a lot of other alien documentaries, conspiracy documentaries, sometimes
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  Speaker 3: it does sort of start mild together in your mind.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you're like, what did I learn from this
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  Speaker 3: one versus this one?
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  Speaker 2: Right and specific points. This one sort of challenges a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the things that hardcore conspiracy theorists think they
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  Speaker 2: know about aliens. But I would maybe even not say that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it's more what casual conspiracy theorists think they know,
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like all the hardcore ones are in
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  Speaker 2: this documentary same we got lied to? Yeah, and everyone
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  Speaker 2: else is still like, no, that didn't happen. The documentary
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  Speaker 2: it's the basis for the book Armada by Ernest Klein,
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  Speaker 2: the guy who wrote Ready Player One. Didn't know that
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  Speaker 2: And this Armada is being made into a movie also,
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  Speaker 2: so this is potentially a documentary about the sequel to
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  Speaker 2: Ready Player One. Whoa so nice? Go watch Mirage Men
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  Speaker 2: and have that movie ruined for you.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: The main subject is this guy named Richard Dody. What'd
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  Speaker 2: you think of Richard Dody upon your first impression of him?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, credible, Yeah, I mean mostly credible.
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was intrigued. I wasn't like, oh, I'm ready to
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  Speaker 3: see what this guy say. It's about everything, But I
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  Speaker 3: was like, Okay, you're a guy who wants to be
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  Speaker 3: in a documentary. You know, I'll buy into it to
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  Speaker 3: an extent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, his name comes up in a lot of UFO conspiracies,
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  Speaker 2: and in some of them he's like the guy who
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  Speaker 2: first broke the news. Yeah, and what this documentary claims
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  Speaker 2: and what he I think it's it's kind of verified
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  Speaker 2: that his job when he worked for the government as
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  Speaker 2: part of the United States Air Force Office of Special Investigation,
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  Speaker 2: if someone got too close to discovering some sort of
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  Speaker 2: secret technology that we were developing, this guy would go
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  Speaker 2: out and kind of intercept them and feed them false
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  Speaker 2: information to discredit them.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, which is something that you know, I think were
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  Speaker 3: I feel like we were talking about this last time
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  Speaker 3: we were here, talking about all the stuff to do
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  Speaker 3: with who's the woman who had the ted talk about
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  Speaker 3: conspiracies into bunking people, Oh yeah, and talking basically about
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  Speaker 3: the whole thing is to discredit the person making the claim,
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  Speaker 3: not necessarily even to describe their claim, to make it
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  Speaker 3: just so that they seem insane, right, or that the
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  Speaker 3: idea of having a conspiracy in effect is insane on
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  Speaker 3: its own. That anyone can suspect a conspiracy means that
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  Speaker 3: they're insane, right, right.
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  Speaker 2: And that I think is if there was ever a
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  Speaker 2: plot to make that the case, I think it succeeded
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  Speaker 2: because now when conspiracy theory, when that phrase comes up,
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  Speaker 2: people automatically go to Alex Jones Fox News and just
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  Speaker 2: assume that because that word's involved, it's nonsense. Yeah, which
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  Speaker 2: I think this this documentary kind of tackles that idea.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is, it does tackle that idea. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's just funny because it's like the whole idea that
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  Speaker 3: like sci fi movies and video games are to prepare
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  Speaker 3: us for a war with the aliens.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, I know, yeah, spoiler, that's what Armada is about.
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  Speaker 3: It seems almost too much like what's that shitty movie
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  Speaker 3: that Adams said made where they're fighting aliens from out
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  Speaker 3: of space using video games?
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  Speaker 2: Oh I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: That's a ripoff. It's a ripoff of a Futurama episode
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  Speaker 3: or Fried does the same thing where they fight space
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  Speaker 3: invaders by playing the game Space Invaders.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember the name of it, but I
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  Speaker 2: know what movie you're talking about, and I remember everyone
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  Speaker 2: hated it. Yeah, it was really horrible. Yeah, I can imagine.
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  Speaker 3: It's an I'm Sandler movie the last five years, so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you can.
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  Speaker 2: Put it together. Uh, what is that noise? Are the
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  Speaker 2: aliens invading right now?
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  Speaker 3: Every time, my every time the lights flicker and stuff
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  Speaker 3: and like something gets fucked up. I think of that
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  Speaker 3: scene an American horse Story and Asylum where the aliens
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  Speaker 3: come and the light's gonnall fucked up and it's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they're coming for me.
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  Speaker 2: How about that out story? Leanne Tooker told us after
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  Speaker 2: the last time we recorded, which she did not bother
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  Speaker 2: to bring up on the episode, that was so eerie.
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  Speaker 2: Why where she and her father were texting back and
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  Speaker 2: forth and they texted like they have this like inside
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  Speaker 2: joke that involves the name the country name Libya.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so they and her dad accidentally texted her once
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  Speaker 3: I love you or he was gonna write I love you,
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  Speaker 3: and he actually wrote Libya yahut love you. And so
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  Speaker 3: from then on they would just say at the end
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  Speaker 3: of a conversation and say, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Libya yeah, and that happened. But then her she sent
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  Speaker 2: back a response that I think was also like a
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  Speaker 2: country name or something.
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  Speaker 3: She said that they were specifically one time having a
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  Speaker 3: conversation and met something on the news, right and at
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  Speaker 3: the end of it they said Libya or something, and
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  Speaker 3: she said that the screen on her phone just went
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  Speaker 3: into pixelated lines, like scrolling down the screen and had
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  Speaker 3: a reaction that she's never seen her her phone committed
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  Speaker 3: an action. It's where you say, that phone like a
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  Speaker 3: wave like yeah, yeah, there was just like it was
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  Speaker 3: like a lockdown and got into some kind of repair
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  Speaker 3: mode or something that looked like a repair mode, a
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  Speaker 3: control panel thing take over and just admit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it just came back and.
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  Speaker 3: Then yeah, I went to black and then it came
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  Speaker 3: back up again. Yeah, And I was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, you're yeah, the nssay is on that phone right then?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they just plugged into that.
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  Speaker 2: Have you seen the wire? That's what happened to you
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  Speaker 2: just now, Yeah, you just got plugged into it. So
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  Speaker 2: that was sort of a tangent, I guess. But shout
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  Speaker 2: out to lee Ane Tooker, that was a great story.
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  Speaker 2: You should started on the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: So Eerie creepy, the freak out. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So this documentary starts talking with the Robertson panel, which
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  Speaker 2: was the thing that happened in nineteen fifty two when
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  Speaker 2: there were a lot of UFO reports because that was
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  Speaker 2: like the Roswell days and whatnot. And somehow this panel
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  Speaker 2: concludes that there's no validity to these reports, but nevertheless,
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  Speaker 2: the government has to start making an effort to debunk
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  Speaker 2: people who report things of this nature. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Basically, there takeaways were that they had to reduce public
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  Speaker 3: interest in aliens or flying aircraft of any kind, and
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  Speaker 3: so that there was a oh, we don't want, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like the air defense systems being swamped with reports critical times.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want to get too many calls in here
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  Speaker 3: because that would be bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, then our phone lives are chammed. Yeah yeah, what Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That seems like kind of a small concern to create
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  Speaker 3: a panel about.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and it seems to come up all throughout this
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  Speaker 2: documentary the idea that is the government using technology to
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  Speaker 2: hide the fact that aliens are here, or are they
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  Speaker 2: using like this alien hoax, yeah, to hide the technology
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  Speaker 2: that they're developing. It seems like it's kind of a
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  Speaker 2: combination of all of it from it this documentary.
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  Speaker 3: It's quite confusing about what is really going on, because, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: on the one hand, they're like, we want to get
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  Speaker 3: the public disinterested in aliens, and it's like, well, a
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  Speaker 3: way to keep the public disinterested in aliens would be
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  Speaker 3: to not intervene when people reports of aliens, to ignore them, right,
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  Speaker 3: that would be one way to not give people credit
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  Speaker 3: or to have people not make statements about aliens at all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's a good.
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  Speaker 3: Way to not form panels about it.
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  Speaker 2: To not form it any panels that end up with
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  Speaker 2: them forming departments with people that go out because this
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  Speaker 2: Richard Dody, I couldn't have been the only one.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean yeah, it seems like if it's just
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  Speaker 3: a psychological effect, it's like, can you imagine how many
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  Speaker 3: people who are just you know, paranoid or whatever have
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  Speaker 3: nightmares or dreams. How many people will probably go to
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  Speaker 3: doctors or hospitals and say Donald Trump's trying to kill me,
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  Speaker 3: or oh yeah, for such a person in government is
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  Speaker 3: trying to kill me, or is following me, or I
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  Speaker 3: saw them, or I know this thing about them. They
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  Speaker 3: don't form panels about that. They're just like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's a certain amount of in saying people in the world,
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  Speaker 3: and they'll say certain things about people who are high
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  Speaker 3: profile figures, but this is beyond.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like this is this is the guy almost going
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  Speaker 2: in reverse, yes, and going after smaller profile figures while
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  Speaker 2: they're still small enough that they can kind of fuck
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  Speaker 2: with them right away.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the main cases that comes up as
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  Speaker 2: Paul Benowitz, He's one of the first interactions between this
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  Speaker 2: Richard Dody and a member of the general public that
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  Speaker 2: they profile and Benwit's He's living somewhere near the Manzano
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  Speaker 2: Mountains in Albuquerque, and he says he sees lights come
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  Speaker 2: up from the ground and disappear behind a mountain, which
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  Speaker 2: if you look at all of the old like eighties
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  Speaker 2: nineties UFO videos, they look like drones in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of cases they.
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  Speaker 3: Do, and they're often over mountains or over aerial shots.
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  Speaker 3: You think. I always think of that X Files poster.
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  Speaker 3: I want to believe where they show it in the
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  Speaker 3: yah above that. And it is funny how the thing
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  Speaker 3: that I love about alien history and in general, why
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  Speaker 3: I think it's so interesting, but what it says about people,
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  Speaker 3: whether you believe it or not, is the sort of
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  Speaker 3: trends that come with alien culture and the white people
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  Speaker 3: reinterpreted over time. You know, in the fifties Nordics, right,
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  Speaker 3: people were obsessed with the Nordic race. Was the thing
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  Speaker 3: you heard about all the time, these tall, elegant aliens.
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  Speaker 2: It almost looked like Nazis. I think at that way,
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  Speaker 2: I just defeated. I think at that point it was
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  Speaker 2: America hoping it was that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, wouldn't that beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: And influx of white people.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful all we want, Yes, beautiful androgenis anyone can get.
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  Speaker 2: The greatest generation?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh and also but then it's funny because
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  Speaker 3: in the in the eighties you get to hear more
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  Speaker 3: people talk about reptilians, which are sort of dangerous and evil,
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  Speaker 3: And it's funny. You think of the eighties crazy conservatism,
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  Speaker 3: my heavy metal, satanic panics. Yeah, and then you get
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  Speaker 3: this lizard like creature that's an alien, that's an evating force.
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  Speaker 3: It's much more evil, violent, dark. And in the nineties,
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  Speaker 3: what is it, grays they got big skulls man because
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  Speaker 3: they're forward thinking. Ecstasy and you know, the Internet is
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  Speaker 3: going to connect everybody. Yeah, environmentalism and peace and it
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  Speaker 3: became like not totally benevolent, but sort of more you know,
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  Speaker 3: right forward thinking, I guess, or they look like the
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  Speaker 3: next stage of evolution of a human, you know, with
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  Speaker 3: the bigger head, bigger eyes and all that shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It became a thing I think around the late
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  Speaker 2: nineties early two thousands where we would talk about aliens
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  Speaker 2: landing and how we would probably be the aggressors, and
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  Speaker 2: oh we wouldn't even hear him out, and it's like,
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  Speaker 2: should we like, should we maybe just shoot him right away?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you can, you can, if you can isolate
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  Speaker 3: and kill this, do it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, at least shoot one to show them what we're
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  Speaker 2: working with, because maybe they have no weapons, yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: they'll just throw their hands up.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they've never even heard of physical aggression.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever looked into David Ike? Yes, Oh, I've
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  Speaker 2: watched men and men and men. Oh, because he's like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, he's like almost kind of the father
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  Speaker 2: of that reptilia.
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  Speaker 3: Ye spirit, Yeah he is. And a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: things that he said I think gave way to a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the interest in serpent culture, in a serpent trends,
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  Speaker 3: in ancient architecture. Oh, people looking at snake cults and
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  Speaker 3: reptilian reptilian type of beans in worldwide religions and how
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  Speaker 3: ubiquitous it is and what kind of characteristics those creatures
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  Speaker 3: have and how that could be a model for them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, I love David. I would say that he
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  Speaker 3: sounds like Michael Caine mixed with Alex Jones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, bloody, motivous. He's kind of kind of refreshing as
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  Speaker 2: far as conspiracy.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and he's Oh my god, you see this audiences, dude,
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  Speaker 3: I would love them.
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  Speaker 2: An audience that big, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: For two hours and then just slide shows, shitty little
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  Speaker 3: jokes on side shows, and they're like, it's like it's
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  Speaker 3: like a picture of like eighty white sheet with one
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  Speaker 3: black she and it's like, well I blown in when
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  Speaker 3: you can stand out And he's like exactly right, and
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  Speaker 3: they're like and I was like, that's not even a
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  Speaker 3: good joke.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a rock start. That's how I discrediting him.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, we'll write your jokes for you. Don't worry
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god. Well his son got off a big
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  Speaker 3: football contract in the UK. Soun's a football Oh really, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Well he used to be awesome. He was a goalie
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  Speaker 3: and I know exactly composition that I played professionally, kill me.
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  Speaker 3: But his son was told by the team, you have
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  Speaker 3: to discredit your father, or you have to publicly say
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  Speaker 3: that you don't agree with what he agrees with, and
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  Speaker 3: he refused to do it, so we dropped the contract.
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  Speaker 3: He wouldn't take it. Good for him, yeah, because he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they were like, you have to because it's his whole family,
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  Speaker 3: is inn't it. I mean it was families.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. He was just he was
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  Speaker 2: such a normal dude, like he was just a BBC
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  Speaker 2: sports host, and then all of a sudden came out
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  Speaker 2: with this theory and it's like.
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  Speaker 3: H well, he first thought he was Jesus, right.
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  Speaker 2: I do remember that because that one of the aliens
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  Speaker 2: told him, yes, that he was basically sent Yeah, oh
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: good times. Everyone should check out. We did an episode
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  Speaker 2: about David I Oh, I love him a few months.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's he's so fascinating and yeah, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the stuff, if you're interesting anything with an Anaki,
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  Speaker 3: any of the Samarians, engine alien stuff, he's kind of
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  Speaker 3: the basis of a lot of that stuff. Or if
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  Speaker 3: you the Illuminati, a World Order. If you think that,
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  Speaker 3: I think he has a video called Satanic Satanist Pedophiles
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  Speaker 3: Run the World.
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  Speaker 2: That'd be a good album name. Yes, that's got to
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  Speaker 2: be coming at some point. So let's talk about Paul Bennowitz.
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  Speaker 2: He was one of the victims of Richard Dody that's
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  Speaker 2: profiled in this and he sees all these lights. He
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  Speaker 2: runs this company called Thunder Scientific Corporation, which is his company,
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  Speaker 2: and he's described as a genius, and he figures out
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  Speaker 2: a way to basically he starts intercepting radio signals or
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  Speaker 2: something coming from this base, and they're apparently unlike anything
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  Speaker 2: his science brain has ever heard. So he contacts the
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  Speaker 2: Air Force and says, I think there are UFOs operating
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  Speaker 2: near your base. Yes, and enter Richard Doty. He shows
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  Speaker 2: up and listens to these recordings and he's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: what he's actually picking up is secret shit we're working
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  Speaker 2: on at this Air Force base. So we're just going
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: to tell him it's UFOs. Yeah, that was there.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: It's pretty awful, and it's kind of almost tied into
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: the mk Ultra stuff we were talking about the other week,
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: because one of the things if you read about Benowitz
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: was that ufologist William Moore claims that he tried to
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: push Benowitz, who had been in a mental health facility
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: on three occasions after suffering severe delusional paranoia, into a
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: mental breakdown, by feeding him false information about aliens.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah, this guy eventually gets institutionalized because no
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: one believes him. Yeah.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: I think there's the thing of starting out in a
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: fragile state and when people are fucking with you, right,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: very dangerous, very dangerous, and it's the kind of thing
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: that could really entel you. And then the thing that
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: it's funnier to me is the experience of being a
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: deluded paranoid, if that's what he was, I don't know. Uh,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: to be put into a facility just seems like the
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: worst of that, doesn't it.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when why didn't that.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Just amplify your feelings of being persecuted?
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, And especially when the government is involved
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: in this and they know it's happening to this dude.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: And Richard Dody does at one point say look, I
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: sat him down and was like, look, man, everything I've
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: told you is a lie, Like we were feeding you
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: false information so we could like put you off the
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: track of this real thing that we were doing. And
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: ben how can you even believe that? Right? And that's
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: what Benowitz's is, like.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I'm a liar. Believe me. I'm a liar.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, believe me.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I never tell the truth. Believe me. I just spout
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: lies all the time. Don't believe a damn thing I say.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: And that was basically Paul Benowitz's response was don't try
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: and fucking tell me you're lion now, like I know
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: the alien stuff is real and that you're just like
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: because he never liked completely believe this guy. No, Yeah,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: but he believed him just enough that he would put
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: he would get this UFO information and then share it
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: with the world and everyone would be like, what that
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: doesn't sound right. They at one point they he goes
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: up to the Archileeda Mesa, which is a section of
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: mountain in Albuquerque or in I think in just in
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: New Mexico. I don't think that part's in Albuquerque, and
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: like they were talking about how before they flew him
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: up there, they like spread a bunch of false evidence, yeah,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: to make it look like there was alien activity and
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: that he needed to research it. Like that's so much effort,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: it's so bonkers.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: But It's funny because it's like when I think of
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: people spreading false evidence. One of the things that's amazing
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: that I've never heard of this on a small scale,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: not related to this exactly. Do you know that the
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Birthright trip will actually plant Israeli or Jewish ancient items
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: in areas, will to bring kids for digs so that
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: they think that they find ancient Israeli or ancient Jewish
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: coins or pieces of bits of shit. So, but what
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: that does is it creates a false idea in their
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: brain that this is a Jewish area that's always been
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Jewish and that Jewish people had lived there birth thousands
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: of Yews.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: What do you mean like it would.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Be anything else, You're crazy. Yeah, but they planted false
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: archaeological stuff on quote unquote digs for pretty smart participants. Yeah,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: to cement the idea in their mind that it's their birthright.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's their birthright. And then our government did that
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: to this guy, as if we have a birthright to anything.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but anyway, as if anyone has a
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: birthright to anything except original sin right except the monk
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: of cave.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: So yeah, they did that to this guy. They fly
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: him up there because he had. He had gone out there,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I think, by himself at one point to investigate. And
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: this is when he took a bunch of pictures he thought,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: he said he saw lights emanating from the ground. And
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: at one point Dody looks at these pictures and he's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: straight up in this documentary because he who knows if
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: he's ever telling the truth. Yeah, he goes, I looked
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: at it. I looked at one of them, man, Yeah,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: it looked like those were UFOs, But the second one
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: was just a top secret government project that he'd gotten
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: pictures of. Yeah, And I was like, oh, no, like that.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Like so now they have him getting actual radio signals
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: and pictures of things that are happening. So they really
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: swing into overdrive trying to discredit this guy.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, or get people off, get people to stop
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: listening to.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Them, right, And part of that they they take him
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: up to the have you ever heard of the Dulci basse?
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Yes? Is that the one where the guy claims there's
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: this I can't remember this fella's name. Is this big
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: dude to the flat top and he was talking about
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: He's like, oh, it was a Dulce base and I
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: saw aliens and they killed people. They had aliens underground
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: and they were working with all these army officers and
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I had to escape and me and these other soldiers,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: like you said that he and a couple of other
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: guys who was working with like went into the space
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: not knowing what it was as military members, and then
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: saw alien stuff going on underground.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Right, and then there's a shootout. Yeah. The story is
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: that we struck a deal with this group of aliens
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: in the fifties, in the fifties or in the seventies. Now,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: they struck the deal in the fifties. In the seventies,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: is I believe when they built this base, okay, Yeah,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: And it's an underground base that goes like nine levels
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: down and apparently on the ninth like eighth or ninth level,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: whatever the bottom one is is all this crazy alien
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: experimentation where they're experimenting on humans basically. And the story
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: is that we found out that they were taking their
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: experiments beyond what we agreed to in this deal, and
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: we decided to raid this facility, and like seventy sevens
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: died in this shootout. And obviously that's not a confirmed story.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: No, it sounded a bit theatrical to be true, it
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: would be a great movie. But I remember there was Yeah,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I remember because watching things about the supposed deal that
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Eisenhower struck with these aliens, and it would be sort
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: of an agreement that aliens could abduct humans on a
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: limited basis and only these certain people or whatever, but
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: that after that point the aliens had never intended to
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: keep to that plan and never kept to it and
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: still kept right abducting more people than they said they would,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: or experimenting on the.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Moon, and one started taking kids in the eighties. Yeah.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: My thing about the whole stuff with alien experimentation is
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know how much sense it makes scientifically that
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: these things are super advanced beings can fly across galaxies,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: bend rules of space and time, but that the basic
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: human anatomy is so fascinating to them they need to
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: spend sixty years experimenting on it. It's like, it's not
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: that complic you know.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: The theory you know what I does that seem weird?
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: It does. But the theory I've always heard in like
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: for that argument, yeah, is that they don't understand the soul,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: and they need to understand how a soul so gross.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: That's like fucking like at the end of a God
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Friended Me or Christian Mingle the movie or something. Yeah,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: that's like how I hate when robots want to learn
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: to love. It's like my rose hated thing about robot
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: movies and they're like, I must learn to love, And
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: I was like, you are better than humans because you
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: don't love. It makes you better. It's so stupid. It's
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: like me if I was like, wanted to learn how
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: to be like a dog, like uncontrollable around trash or
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: something like, I just want to understand how I can
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: totally lose some control around trash like a dog. It's like, no,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: you're better than a dog.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Why would you want to emulate.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: A dog's feelings. It's the stupidest city of our fucking
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: heard in my life.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The uh we were just talking about like the
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: cat mutilations and things, and that comes up in a
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: really interesting way here, and in a way that I
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: kind of buy. They at one point they introduced this
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: other he's a highway patrolman. What the hell is his name?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: He's in the notes, God damn it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: A highway patrolman.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: A highwayman. Yeah, he's a highwayman.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: He's a highwayman. He's an eighteenth century highwayman. He carries
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: a pistolier on his garter.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, his name is Gabe Valdez. And he talks about seeing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: His Hispanic descent. Do we trust him?
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Great point?
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Trump's America.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: They He talks about being a highway patrolman in Dulcey,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: New Mexico and seeing these lights, and he brings up
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: one of I think the best points when it comes
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: to whether these would be aliens or a government thing.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: He says they were covered in lights, and he goes,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: why would they need lights if they were in space? Like,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: you're not going to need light guidance in space. Why
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: would you true put lights on your ship if you're
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: building it in space.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the whole notion of that, I never really
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: think about that, but they was. But what's hilarious too,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: is like the way lights are described him. Whenever anyone
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: talks about aliens, they'd be like, oh, it was like
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: they were putting.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: On a show for me.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Right, I heard that a lot. Yeah, they'll be like
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: it was like they were putting on a show for me.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: They had green and red and blue, and they were
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: dancing in certain patterns and stuff. And you have to
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: wonder it's like as a tracking device, that doesn't make
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of sense as a communication method, right, that
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: could make more sense if it was literally sending messages
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: through patterns of lights, Yeah, to each other. Communications, but
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: and not really.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: But the way he describes this light, he says he
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: was following one and it just like flew over him,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: and it sounds like a drone like. It sounds like
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: they were seeing like early versions of drones in the
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: government didn't want us to know about those. Yeah, But
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: they bring up the cattle mutilation and the way it's
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: presented in this part of the documentary. There was a
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: program at one point called pro Project Plowshare, which was
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: the government and this it's a real thing. We know
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: this happened. They tried to use underground nuclear detonations to
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: free natural resources from parts of the earth where we
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: couldn't get to them.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, and you know that. And they were trying that
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: a lot in Russia as well to get certain things out. Yeah,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: they could build the railroads and ship through mountains there.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And the argument that is made here as far as
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: what is actually being covered up is that and that
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: these cattle mutilations are just scientists trying to gauge the
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: impact of all that radiation on living things. Total sense,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: And that's why they take the thyroid, the utter, and
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the tongue, because they're just trying to gauge radioactivity. And
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: then they kind of what they imply is that we
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: also literally have these black helicopters that have a bunch
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: of lights on them that don't make a bunch of noise,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: and their main purpose is to fly around up there
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and pretend to be UFOs. So when people find these
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: mutilated cattles, they'll go, oh shit, another UFO. Like there's
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: someone who like basically admits to being a pilot and
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: he's like, we just fly around and pretend to be UFOs.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Which that be all you can be man, right exactly?
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine got to join the military. I want
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: to fight for freedom by pretending to be a UFO
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: to confuse people in New Mexico.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: To confuse irradiated New Mexicans. Yeah, but that's the kind
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: of shit the government gets into. Is like have you
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: seen Wormwood, Yes, the documentary where for that whole thing
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: it seems like it's going to be the government covering
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: up the fact that they basically murdered a guy with LSD.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: And then you get to the end and they're like, no,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: we admit that, because what it seems like they were
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: maybe actually hiding was that this guy was gonna blow
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the whistle about us using chemical weapons in the Korean War.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And they're like, we'll take a body over
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: fucking human rights abuse accusations. Oh yeah, yeah, we don't
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: want to go to the Geneva Conventions.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: After you, after you've seen what happened to the Nazis,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: you're like, no, Ranks or I mean Saddam Mussein, I
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: mean yeah, pay the ultimate price for using that shit. Yeah,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: or Mussolini, same thing, use chemical weapons. And it was like, yeah,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: after World War One, we pretty much agreed not going
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: to do that.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bad times. And like this seems like a similar
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: kind of thing where they're fine with people believing the
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: crazier story, which is that UFOs are coming down and
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: beaming horse or beaming cattle up and taking their utter
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: and their tongue and they're thyroid and then dropping them
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: back to Earth. They're fine letting us think that and
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: have that out there. But it's all like the reality
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: they're high is worse that they just basically irradiated this
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: entire portion of the country trying to get oil out
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: of the ground, and now we don't know maybe if
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: it's safe to live there, yes, anymore.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: The other hilarious thing to think about any alien kind
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: of conspiracy, too, is wouldn't it be amazing if there
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: were just maybe men who worked in government who had
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: a sick fascination with abducting people and torturing them, And
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: that it's much better to present the idea that people
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: have psychotic alien theories than maybe some sick fox working
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: government who like to murder and abduct people.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be that. I've always kind of wondered.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: What, like, were I had a loose serial killer in
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: an area or something, and you're like the police are like, oh,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: we bungled an investigation, or we don't know what's going
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: on with it. I want to be better to just
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: make it smear that that person is an alien crazy person.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: And I sometimes wonder if like Fred miss information with
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: stuff like that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I sometimes feel like there's some aspect of
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the like modern day American serial killer that has to
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: have started with like a government intelligence program or something
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: like like. It just I don't know the way it
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: sprung up, in the way it was studied when it
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: all started happening. It just everything feels like a government
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: experiment to me. Now since I've done this podcast.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's been a lot of things that
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: since you start to look at conspiracy stuff, you definitely
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: look at a lot of things very very differently, and
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: you start to like, I can't look at George H. W.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Bush the same way again, can you?
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: No?
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: No, Well, he's been at every fucking historical event. He
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: was there in some shady way.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Do you ever hear the theories that his wife is
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: the daughter of Alister Curley, that Barbara Bush is the
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: daughter of Alister Curley.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think I have. Oh my god, that's crazy.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Got to look into it. Basically, her mother was in
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: England hanging out with people who knew Alister Crowley around
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: the time that she was conceived, and she looks like him.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah she's yeah, it's creepy as hell. Oh, she kept
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: defeat us in a jar. She had miscarried and kept
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: a featus in a jar. Library. George W. Bush is
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: on in an interview talking about how his mother, when
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: he was a teenager, showed him this fetus in a jar.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: It made him look at it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: My god, Yeah, weird shit like that.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, she's just a direct person, you know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: she showed me a fetus in a jar. And they
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: ask her about it, like sixty minutes and they're.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, oh about direct is the word for that.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, he takes it as she's very direct. What and
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: then sixty minutes do they ask her something about and
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: they poop, poop, you know what they say. But they don't, Oh,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: it's not in the library. That's a totally loser. That's oh,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: that's a lie. It's not in the library at all.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Those are my favorite kind of denials where they're like, yeah,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: it's not in the library, next question, what where is it?
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: I love denying the least creepy part of a story.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Uh so, yeah, they they talk a lot about cattle mutilation.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: That part I think is really interesting. They introduce a
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: woman named Linda Moulton Howe who, for some reason, just
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the degree to which her hat and her earrings in
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: her top matched made her seem a little incredible time otherworldly. Yeah, yeah,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: like I didn't exactly know. She seemed like she had
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: been driven a little crazy by the government.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, and I mean why wouldn't.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: You because they do the same thing to her basically,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: which is they they go to her and because she
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: was doing this HBO documentary called Strange Harvest and Yeah,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: and when they found out she was making that, they
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: basically sent Richard Dody once again to her to be like, hey, well,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I have some other information if you want it, and
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: you can't write it down, you can't take any notes,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: but you can read this. And he slides this thing
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: across the table that basically implies that the alien issue
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: has been solved and that we know that they developed
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Homo sapiens by manipulating the DNA of already living animals
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: on Earth. Yes, and it becomes like one of the
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: most debated fucking documents of all time. And they were
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: just doing it to fuck with her. Yeah, and there
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: was some he even says, there's some truth in it,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: but you'll never know how much.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: It's also it's an incredibly good tactic to give so
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: much information that you can then just roundly deny that
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: you ever gave them.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and they it's pretty tremendous.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. That's do you talk about so much about,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: you know, the Trump stuff? And they were talking I
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: remember rein argulled that disturbed me. I've not I've really
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: created a barrier between myself and information about the Trump administration.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Sure as a way to stay.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Card my own sanity, right, I exposed myself to that
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: virus of rage because it's just yeah, it's almost like
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: this where it's like you get a piece of it,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: they hook you in with a little bit of it,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: and then you'll drive yourself insane thinking about the implications.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: But Jared Cush Jared that it's not a law. Jared
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: was having all these meetings with Chinese people, get people
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: from the government of China having seen re meetings, having
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: secret meetings with nobody there so no one could say
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: what was said, oh that it could not exist on record,
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: who had agreed to what or what people yet and
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: it's like god fucking damn it, like all this stuff
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: about diplomacy, it's like they're not following any rules of
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: diplomacy whatsoever. And it's really horrible.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Yeaheah.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: It's just like you don't want to have meetings where
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: you can't verify what people said in the meeting.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bad look. It makes people suspicious.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, it creates a lot of he said. She said, right,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I mean almost you almost start to be grateful for
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Nixon for recording everything.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, you know, and I wonder if he
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: recorded his meetings in China.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that wouldn't have flown, you know what with him,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: I would not be surprised if there were if he
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: was wired, yeah, wired in some way during those.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Ah dick, Yeah, yeah. In retrospect, Richard Nixon. Man, well,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: he started the war on drugs though, so that's bad.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: No, But him and Johnson them out, they recorded themselves.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: They've given some gems to history.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I really go. Oh yeah, the recording of Lyndon Johnson
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Order every pants.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. He talks about his bunghole.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, it's really great. He talks about
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: all the ball space he needs.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, he needs so much ball space for Jumbo. Yeah,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Penis Jumbo. But no, he's say with this. So it's like, yeah,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: it's basically well, I mean it's it's to be understood
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: whenever you're talking about the government. The government has no
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: issue with driving anyone insane that they want. They don't
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: care if anyone goes insane, they don't care, and they
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: don't deny that they don't care if anyone goes insane
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: as the result of what they do.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, our government is pretty oppressive. It's just really good
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: at it and like good at keeping it a secret,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: at least as it pertains to white people. Like, we
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: all know how oppressive the government is to people of color.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: That's fucking obvious. Yes, but white people too. Hashtag us too. Yeah,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's how that hashtag works. No. Uh
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: So they introduced Richard Dolan at one point point. He's
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: a UFO historian who says that the Freedom of Information
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Act is a thing that kind of compelled the government
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: to start really focusing on having a misinformation campaign around UFOs. Yeah,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: because UFOs like things were starting to sort of leak
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: because all of the like, that's the time, like around
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: the time of the Church Committee, which like ultra a
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: lot of committees.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Commit during that time, and about what the government was
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: up to in the extent of the CIA's operations. Yeah,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: the Church Committee, and then the eighties, obviously we had
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Iran contra, which was yeah, rough and the savings and
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: loan scandals and a lot of stuff like that. And
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: then also, I mean there was a lot of the
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: seventies were strange up for scandals and government, not just Watergate,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: but also pages in Washington they are investigating for trafficking
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: mail prostitutes through certain areas of d c oh. And
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: then in the eighties there was also people were it
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: was on like the nightly news. There were people who
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: were claiming that underage boys were being trafficked into the
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: hw Bush White House. Geez that underage boys claimed that
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: they had been taken there by yeah men and government
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So yeah, eighties were a big time.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: And then now when boys claim that, we go shut
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: up your info Wars piece of shit.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, We're like, go back to Alex Jones,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: you weren't trafficked anywhere.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: My favorite conspiracy along that line, or it's not even
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: a conspiracy. But there's a girl on Twitter who's very
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: adamant that she was sex trafficked to a party and
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: raped by Tom Hanks.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Yes, I've heard this. Yeah, we're not.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Even going to look into it a little bit.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: No, No, that's no or Jeffrey. God, who's the name
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: of that billionaire who's hanging out with Bill Clinton egg
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: shaped cock who was trafficking underage girls went to jail?
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Is it it's cats? Yes, I don't want it's just
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: some guy named jeff.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Not Jeffrey Katzenberg. That's a different guy, not him. Yeah,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: just search Jeffrey Bill Clinton sex traffic. Yeah, so there's
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: lots of lots of statements like that. And yeah, Also
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: the eighties is when they exposed a lot of stuff
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: with spies. A lot of spy stuff got exposed back
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: then about spy rings and how Jeffrey Epstein yep, Yeah,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: he's a registered sex vendor American financier and yeah, he
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: made a ton of money for the Clintons and he's
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: applying his private jed all the time. And he was
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: arrested for getting underage girls to do sex stuff with him.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Sixteen fifteen year old girls hire them, right, And they
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: identified him because he has an egg shaped cock.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: They said this under oath. They were like, I know
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: it's him. I can tell you exactly what kind of
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: weird dick he has, kind of like with Michael Jackson thing, Right,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: where they were like, yeah, he's got a weird dick,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: and they talked about his weird dick.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing about the.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Don't have a weird dick if you're going to commit
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: sex crimes. By the way, I remember normal dick.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I remember Trump hanging out with that guy also came
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: up during the campaign, and there's even a weird clip
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: where Trump says something about that guy and he's like,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I think we like the same kind of he likes
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: him a little younger. I do too, fucking hell. And
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: it's like, in retrospect, holy shit, what a statement. But
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are like, well, why isn't the
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Clinton campaign hitting on the fact that Trump hung out
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: with this guy so much? And it's like, oh, because
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Bill Clinton hung out with this guy and Hillary Clinton, Yeah.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, both of yeah. So and then the spineworks Sayer
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: was taking me to this on my profiles. You know,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: a lot of spy networks were found out, and I
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: think it was just in general decreasing the public's trust
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: and our ability to keep secrets right because we had
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: you know, there was just quotes from the Secretary of
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: the Navy under Reagan would just say like, yeah, this
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: guy was a spy. He over a million encrypton messages
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: like your average spot would be selling a rush over
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: like thirty years. People had thirty year spy careers working
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: for the USSR. So it's like you things are good
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: at keeping things under wraps.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Are you not? Now?
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Not? Like like Kmart has better security than the Navy.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: That's one of these guys with the thirty years for
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: the Navy. Its like Kmart's got better security than navies? Like,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: how would I do it? Because you people don't know
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: what the fuck you're doing. You don't know how to
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: keep anything in secret.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder if we've kind of forced that on
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: the military, like through our protests in our like would
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: it be better if we just could go back, like
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: go back in time when we just believe everything the
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: government says and it's like okay, fine whatever, yeah, like
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: it it. The things we've found out about the government
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: are so fucking shocking, like especially things they did in
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies, and for it to have somehow
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: turned into this climate where if you say anything, like
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: imply anything weird about the government doing shit in secret, yeah,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: it's immediately dismissed as no, like that like you're a
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a bridge too far. Yeah, they'll
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: poison us, they'll send us to wars for no reason,
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: but they would never about aliens.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what you're wild. Yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And it's funny to me because I was thinking about
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: this of why in particular I was thinking about anarchists.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Why in particular did Italy create so many anarchists was
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: the thought that I had, And then I was looking
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: at it, and Italy was Zoo's historically been one of
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: those divided and most corrupt countries right in terms of government,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: is so corrupt, And I think corruption has they've done
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: the effects and corruption the psychological effects that it has,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: and I think it actually has a very far reaching effects.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: When people do start to believe they're be lying to
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: they're being ruled by hypocrites, they're being ruled under corrupt system.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: It affects people in a way that is not regular,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: and it creates very all kinds of strains of avern
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: behavior that you can't control.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, a lot of it. Yeah, they
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: bring up I always forget that the Roswell incident. For decades,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: we just forgot like that just it was news the
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: couple days after it happened. Yeah, and then it took
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: all of this Freedom of Information Act shit for us
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: to realize that that might have been a real thing.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the nineties when, Yeah, the nineties once hit and
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: the freedom information I think also Ruby Ridge and Wayco
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: and stuff, I think also push public opinion against the
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: government even more so, right, and want to ask even
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: more questions about what the government was doing and stuff
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: like that. Events like Tanneman Square and stuff I think
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: did rile more of a sense of people to take
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: on the government or take on these assumptions.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, they bring up William Moore in this. He's
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: the guy who wrote like the book about the Roswell incident.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: And goddamn Richard Dody is involved in this too. So
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: like all of the really big alien stories that we
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: know of, Richard Dody is somehow they're feeding information to
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: be like, do you conspiracy theorists not talk?
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh who showed up? Oh yeah it was this
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: guy Richard. And he doesn't like put on a fake
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: mustache pretend to be somebody else. No, he shows up
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: the same fucking dude every time.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: He shows up and introduces himself as Richard Dodi.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: I'm Richard Dody my actual birth name. Here's my secur
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: any number. Would you like to see pictures of my
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: wife and kids. I'm a liar, you can talk to anyone.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: It's like yeah. And like in the in the case
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: of the Paul Benowitz case, like they brought up at
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: one point he was firing off letters to the government yea,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: like saying, hey, I have all of this UFO information
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: that the Air Force is really keen on. Yeah, don't
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: you want to look into it? And they're like, we
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: don't give a fuck. And meanwhile the Air Force is
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: going to him like, hey, we really care about this,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: make sure you stay on it. Like ye. It seemed
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: like it got to a point where they were just
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: kind of it got it went overboard, I think with
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: them trying to discredit this guy.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, certain agents have certain certain agencies have different
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: agendas or what they think is important for that agency.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I think it also really demonstrates how disjointed agencies are
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: in government. Whenever you to study in the about nine
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: to eleven or aliens or something, that you realize these
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: these agencies are not as interconnected as you would have thought.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, especially with nine.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: One FBI and CIA. They don't like each other.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. Yeah, that is always it's
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: like they're almost competition. Yeah, basically, yeah, and that is
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: a big part of what caused nine to eleven. Yeah,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: they were just like, we have the information, but we're
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: not gonna share it with you.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: We want to crack the case.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody cracked the case. So one of the things
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: that comes up is the Holloman Air Force Base incident.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: And this is a tactic that they talk about in
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: this documentary a lot where Richard Dodi or someone tied
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: to the government in some way, we'll find out that
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: a movie or a documentary is being made and they'll
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: promise like vital information. In the case of the Holloman
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Air Force Base thing, it was a video that was
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: alleged to have shown an alien landing on the tarmac,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: like exchanging information with someone and then taking off again.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: And this guy making this movie swears he saw the video,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: and the entire time he's making this movie called UFO's
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Past Present Future, the government's like, I believe it was.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Richard Dody again was like, yeah, here's the video, you've
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: seen it, and now we're gonna let you put it
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: in this movie. And it gets to the like last
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: minute and they confiscate the movie and go, no, you can't.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: So now he has to just do an animation in
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: his movie, and everyone who watches it is gonna go
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: he fucking liar, Like, just show us the video and
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: it's I just I wonder how many times that has happened,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Like my favorite. I don't even know how full blown
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: of a conspiracy theory it is. But there's a found
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: footage movie called UFO Abduction or alien Abduction, and it's
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: basically the first found footage movie. Oh wow, and it
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: is shockingly boring.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Oh it's just now I'm thinking of the alien autopsy.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: No, this Alien Abduction. I believe it's on YouTube. You
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: can go watch it. If me and Andy Cell ever get
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: to putting out episodes of the horror movie pot Cast,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: there's a whole episode about it. But this movie, if
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: you watch it, it's just footage of a girl's birthday
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: party for the longest time.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and hold on one second. Is it called UFO abduction?
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Why can't I find it? Yeah, God damn it. I
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: can't think of the name of the movie. But it's
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: it's this found footage movie.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: It's just a footage of a girl's birthday party, and
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: at the end, aliens walk in and the camera goes blank.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: And one of the theories around this movie is that
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: it was not a movie and that it was actually
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: footage of an alien abduction happening, but when it got leaked,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: the government somehow intervened and turned it into hey, this
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: is just a new way of making films, and it like,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: it's the first found footage horror movie for all intents
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: and purposes.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Aliens crash birthday party Roswell twenty twelve. Is that the
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: one the McPherson tape. Yes, the McPherson tapes, that's what
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: it's called.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: But it's also it's got like an alternate title, which
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: is like UFO abduction or something, but.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: It's yeah, McPherson tip. I'm gonna look it up, and yeah,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: it is funny how it's it's kind of convenient for
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Hollywood people that or for the government, rather that Hollywood
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: just just adopts a lot of these things and puts
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: them into fiction. Right, And then it's impossible to say
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: whether you're thinking that because you've watched a movie.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that comes up in the documentary too, where
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: they'll they'll just say, you've seen too many movies.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Exactly how many people said thought that they were possessed
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: after The Exorcist came out.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there was a lot. There's a found footage
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: movie called ghost Watch. Are you familiar with this? Oh?
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: It happened in It was borderline cruel what they did.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: It was a BBC thing on Halloween. They did basically,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: they were pretending to be at this house that the
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: occupants claimed was haunted, and instead of hiring actors, they
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: just hired all the usual BBC on air talent, so
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: it would be like seeing fucking Ryan Seacrest hosting from
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: a haunted house and then everyone dies, like everyone gets murdered,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: and people thought it was real because they didn't really
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: go out of their way to make it seem like
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: it wasn't real, and it fucking traumatized people. They refused
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: to show it for like two years after that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember there was definitely a BBC thing that
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: they released. It was about hauntings and that it cost
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of widespread panic with people because they couldn't
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: tell it.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Ghost Watch, ghost watch. Okay, best ghost name in horror
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: movie history. The ghost name is mister Pipes.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: See, I have such a harder time with ghosts.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Really, Yes, Oh, I'm all for it.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: I just give me a fucking break. The afterlife is
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: you hang around and shuffle objects around in a room?
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: What the fuck is that?
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: That'd be dope? No, I want to do that.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: No, ridiculous.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I hope this is still a studio fifty to one
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: hundred years from now when I finally die, maybe one
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years from now, and I want to
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: come back in and fucking bat some shit around. Yeah.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: When you look at this, it just says alien Abduction
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: official trailer, Alien Abduction trailer.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's again. Yeah, there's a
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: there is a at least a rumor surrounding that movie
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: that it was actual footage of aliens in the government
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: just hyped it up as a movie to throw us
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: off the trail. It's possible, I guess. So the rest
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: of this documentary, I don't want to spoil the whole
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: thing for everyone. Yeah, it ends talking about Majestic twelve
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: and Project Sirpo, which are two of the name. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: they're both great. Project Surpo is this theory that for
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: like seven years, we sent alien or we sent astronauts
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: to this planet called Sirpo in like this exchange program
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: with aliens that live there. And Majestic twelve is the
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: code name for this alleged secret committee of scientists and
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: military leaders and government officials that were formed by an
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: executive order by Harry Truman and I Team forty seven,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: And the rest of the documentary is mostly I feel
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: like they were trying to show how effective these efforts
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: to discredit UFO hunters have become, because the rest of
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: this documentary is alien experts either saying these documents are
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: definitely real or experts say no, this is all bullshit,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: And like the entire end of the documentary is just
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of that, where people are going back and
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: forth about the validity of the documents that proved these
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: things happened, and then Richard Dodio pop in every once
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: in a while and go, eh, I don't know some
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: of it's true.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: I know, it's so maddening. It's one of those things
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: is really hard because even like Bo Dallas is one
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: of my favorite wrestlers, he's great, His brother's Bray Wyatt.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: I have you've heard about that? So he's a wrestler
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: and he was on Chris Jaco's podcast and he was
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: talking about his whole thing with believing a lot of
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: being really interested in conspiracies, and he was talking about this,
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: saying that they found an alien on the moon. Mona, Lisa,
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: have you seen this piece of shit? That thing looks
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: like right, And you're like, oh, dude, he still wants
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: to believe and it's just like you can tell it's rubber.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've never been to the moon.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: It's it's very hard because it's you don't want to
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: make your enemy the person who believes that the person
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: in the rubber suit is real, Like, they're not your
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: enemy at the end of the day. It's it's really
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: easy to attack that person if you I'm saying for
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: people who believe in a certain level of conspiracy, there
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: is a very much a tendency to attack other people
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: who believe in conspiracies. They don't believe the same ones
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: you do, or don't can't see the very obvious facts,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: and it's like it's it's the most mentally challenging thing
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: to not focus on that and get so negative about it.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: But yeah, and that so I think people should go
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: watch this. I like that. I like this documentary a lot,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: and it if nothing else, it's it's really interesting insight
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: into how our government actually operates when it comes to
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: it like.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: This, yeah, or how would I mean when you look
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: back on these things and you kind of get an
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: idea of different kinds of it's really a window into
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: the temperament of government in different decades, right, or the
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: temperament of different agencies, or you can got to get
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: a feel for what it is like to be in
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: this even if you don't believe all of these events,
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: it's like it gives you an idea of military government,
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: all that stuff, how yeah really would operate if something
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: bad were happening. Just recently, I was watching the thing
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: about you know, they say there's all these hidden sights
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: on Antarctica, right. Antarctica is the big focus of a
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: lot of you know, conspiracies, things about ancient aliens. And
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: one of the things they were talking about is people
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: who were taken out of the area who they said
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: were very sick and there was like a Russian emergency
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: to remove them from area before a certain time. And
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: they're talking about areas of a lake that they could
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: have gotten access to that are about thirteen thousand years old,
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: haven't been exposed to air and stuff, and it's like
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: they could have exposed them to some sort of virus
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: or six oh, and they're trying to cover it up
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: or an alien thing. But it's like, yeah, this is
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: not a good if if the government had unknowingly exposed
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: people to a thirteen thousand year old virus, this is
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: how they would handle it. They would oh, yeah, sure,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: people would think it was aliens, but yeah, it could
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: very well just be ovis.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's it's another situation where if people thought
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: it was aliens, the government would be like, good, yeah, you.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Keep thinking it's aliens and not just we're poisoning.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: You think it's aliens. But at the same time, I
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: do think aliens are a thing. I don't uh yeah, yeah,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I don't. It feels like there's I don't know, there's
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: a little bit of truth in a lot of like
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: that's kind of the thesis of this documentary is that
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: there's even when they're trying to discredit people, it's because
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: the people they're trying to discredit have uncovered some degree
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: of truth in what the government's doing. Yeah.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Well, in terms of believing disbelieving, aliens anything like that
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: are alien conspiracies. When you look at it this way,
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: all life on Earth comes from somewhere else, right, So
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: say that life doesn't come from other places, it's like, oh,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I guess it does. We know it does. Yeah, that's
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: how life got to this planet. It didn't just spring
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: out of nothing. It came from somewhere.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And with aliens, it's always like an argument that like,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like there's a thing where
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: you can't really believe in God and believe in aliens,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: but like God could be an alien like that, we
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: don't know what our god actually is. It's the same
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: as the simulation theory where people are like, there's no God,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: we're living in a simulation. Well, the motherfucker run in
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: that simulation is your God. Yeah, Like it's.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Kind of realign what it means to believe in a god.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Do you mean a creator? Do you mean someone who's
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: controlling everything? Do you mean like an initial force of life?
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Do you mean that there's a spark that exists in
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: all beings that is all connected?
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, and there's all these things of
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: like our our minds just sort of our brains are
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: receptors that were getting sent signals to experience consciousness.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's free electricity in the air.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's weirder theories than.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah than that. So that's our episode. We don't want
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: to give away the entire documentary, but it's streaming. If
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: you have Amazon Prime, you can watch it for free,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: or you can rent it on iTunes and all the
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: other places. I assume it might even be on Netflix.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure it's I don't.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Think it's on Netflix. It's on YouTube, which is funny
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: because I didn't realize that YouTube gave you a cheaper
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: standard definition option to watch things and if you've rent
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: them on YouTube, oh really HD for another dollar.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Amazon does that too. I always get standard just
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: because it weighs my internet connection down. Less, yeah, smaller file. Yeah,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: thats a good tangent we went on right there.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Nice talking about definitions.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good talking about pixels. So this, I
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: believe is a free episode. So uh, Patreon dot com
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: slash on pops you can sign up. You get two
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: bonus episodes of this every month, and bonus episodes of
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: all the other podcasts I host. It's a damn good deal,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: motherfucker's yeah, and you get all of our shows completely
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: ad free, except for ads like this that I just
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: did and the one that Laura is going to do. Now,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: what do you have to plug?
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: I am going to be at uh wooh, Jesus Christ,
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: mint on Card comic book store at Burbank. Let me
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: find these things, Jesus Christ. I'm going to be playing
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: hawk Girl on a show coming up, Cosplay Comedy, black
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Cat Comics. Would you believe it's in Burbank, right, And
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: that's going to be on the thirteenth. I'm going to
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: be doing comedy as hawk Girl, WHI should be interesting
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: because I love hawk Girl, not hot Girl, hawk Hawk
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Hawk hawk Girl. And and check out profiles and eccentricity.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: We just got all well at least, I just like
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: to put them up as audio plus like Instill Image.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: But all forty three episodes are up on YouTube if
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: you like. It's not us on YouTube, and we're breaking
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: them down so you can just listen to the individual
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: stories because some of the episodes is like the guys
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: do like three stories.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So we're breaking those downs.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: Just want to listen to like we have playlists, you know,
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: so if you're like, man, I just want to listen
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: to Aaron's stories.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Just Aaron, right, And who among us hasn't been there.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Who hasn't just wanted to binge on some peda.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Going about your day? Yeah you want to hear from
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: old pistol peda.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you want to got a little tabahamas you want,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: so go do that?
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go do it out something about piss.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: Your piss enthusiast, your high functioning perverts.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get the funk out of here.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Laura say goodbye, good night, goodbye everybody, whatever yourself.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Sure,