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Geoff Schwartz on the latest NFL mock drafts, Fano an interior lineman (?), The value of spring football + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome now number three on the Show O'Connell Show,
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Speaker 3: ESPN seven hundred ninety two one FM. Welcome in Jeff Schwartz,
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Speaker 3: our resident football insider, college and pro. He's a former
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Speaker 3: Oregon Duck. He's a longtime NFL veteran. He's a friend
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Speaker 3: of the show and my former co host. Hey, Jeff,
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Speaker 3: how are you.
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Speaker 4: I didn't think you ever come back to work. I'm
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Speaker 4: glad to hear you back on the radio.
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Speaker 1: I thought about not ever coming back.
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Speaker 3: I thought about just going I thought about going full
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Speaker 3: Tarzan and just trying to live with the apes if
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Speaker 3: I didn't have children.
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Speaker 4: I find you mister kids. Yeah, I feel like you
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Speaker 4: missed your kids a little bit. I did. The videos
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Speaker 4: you sent me were were pretty fun. I'm glad you
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Speaker 4: had a fun trip and you're back at it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great.
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Speaker 3: Are you bothered that you were not invited to play
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Speaker 3: in the NFL Guys Versus Elite Flag football guys challenge.
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Speaker 4: I will say the reaction to this game on social
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Speaker 4: media was very, very funny. I saw one clip basically
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Speaker 4: from the G two. I saw Joe Burrow gaining tackle
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Speaker 4: for some reason, it's a FLAC football game. Another clip
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Speaker 4: I saw was one of the flag football players juking
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Speaker 4: out a couple couple of NFL players, you zooming a
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Speaker 4: little closely and in the two NFL players I believe
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Speaker 4: were Luke Keakley, who retired five years ago now the
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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, yes, and DeAndre Hopkins, who plays wide receiver,
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Speaker 4: yes and as old. And the reactions to the game
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Speaker 4: were like, I can't believe NFL players played this game.
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Speaker 4: I no way they no way they could ever play
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Speaker 4: flag football. Look at I'm like, do you guys hear
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Speaker 4: yourselves talking like this is an exhibition game against professional
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Speaker 4: flag football players. There should be no reaction at all
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Speaker 4: to this. It should just be like, yeah, the other
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Speaker 4: team who's professionally trained, they're pretty good. Yeah, they're pretty
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Speaker 4: good football players at the sport they're playing. And the
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Speaker 4: reaction was like, I kill in the NFL would embarrass
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Speaker 4: themselves like this, embarrass themselves doing what The reaction to
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Speaker 4: this is so funny. Man. The idea to me that
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Speaker 4: a guy like Saquon Barkley couldn't learn how to play
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Speaker 4: flag football though it was his full time job, is
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Speaker 4: very funny. And so I was not upset at in
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Speaker 4: Go Sean because I didn't know there were so many
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Speaker 4: like retired players in the thing. Anyways, I didn't know
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Speaker 4: there was march madness on why are we watching flag football?
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Speaker 1: I was.
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Speaker 3: I was blown away, and actually I just told it
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Speaker 3: like Deander Hopkins, he was in Tanzania when I was
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Speaker 3: in Tanzani. He was on our flight back from Tanzania,
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Speaker 3: and I assume he went straight from there to this
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Speaker 3: flag football thing.
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Speaker 1: So it's not like he was training to lead up
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Speaker 1: to this.
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Speaker 4: I know these guys were trained. They couldn't pull flags,
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Speaker 4: they couldn't do all the reports. Well, the NFL players
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Speaker 4: were trying to tackle everybody. Yeah, I wonder why, because
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Speaker 4: that's how they played. Well. I wonder why they tried
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Speaker 4: to tackle everyone and so to pull their flags. It's
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Speaker 4: weird how that works out.
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Speaker 3: I actually like it, though, because these elite flag football
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Speaker 3: guys right are probably and this is maybe I'm doing
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Speaker 3: this unfairly, but most of the dudes that are are
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Speaker 3: still playing some level of football like into their late
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Speaker 3: twenties and thirties when it's not NFL football, right, it's
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Speaker 3: a lot of unfulfilled hopes and dreams, and they're using
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Speaker 3: this as like their thing and for them to get
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Speaker 3: this that they can now tell their kids and their grandkids. Yeah, hey, dad,
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Speaker 3: one time I beat Tom Brady in a game. I
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Speaker 3: was playing quarterback. He was the other quarterback, and we
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Speaker 3: beat them. Like, I actually applaud the NFL for given
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Speaker 3: those guys that, because they're gonna live off this for
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Speaker 3: decades to come.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think also, I mean, I think part of
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Speaker 4: it was like this is, you know, the Olympics are
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Speaker 4: coming up sooner, we have a flag football team, and
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Speaker 4: these flag football guys, like the who's who like their
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Speaker 4: their job is I guess flag football at least what
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Speaker 4: they do for their you know, like they want it.
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Speaker 4: They want those those jobs obviously, those roles for the Olympics,
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Speaker 4: and you know, the NFL players I think want to
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Speaker 4: be involved in as well. And so this I think
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Speaker 4: this is a little bit of like a pride thing
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Speaker 4: for the for the flag football guys. But again, it's
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Speaker 4: not the same sport, Like, why why are we giving
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Speaker 4: so much thought to this? It's this By the way,
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Speaker 4: the USA flag football team wasn't supposed to be part
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Speaker 4: of this at all, but this this had to had
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Speaker 4: to be moved because of a yeah, a war happening
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Speaker 4: right now in the Middle East. So like this was
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Speaker 4: they were a late add to the whole party, because
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Speaker 4: this is gonna be I think there's gonna be like
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Speaker 4: celebrity football players playing each other, right, and they added
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Speaker 4: the USA part too. It late because they had to
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Speaker 4: move the venue.
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Speaker 3: I want to see the roller hockey elite roller hockey
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Speaker 3: guys again, NHL players next, and let's just see how
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Speaker 3: that goes.
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Speaker 4: You remember what was it? What was it when we
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Speaker 4: were kids? That was you have the roller? Was it
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Speaker 4: the rolling? The roller derby? What they used to have
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Speaker 4: on like once a week they would fight each other.
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Speaker 1: Yeah that's roller Derby.
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Speaker 4: Roller Derby. Yeah that was awesome. Roller Derby's awesome. Okay,
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Speaker 4: can I tell you really quick what my kids are
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Speaker 4: watching right now? You'd be like not surprised, but like
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Speaker 4: they decided they're rewatching All Survivor. So they're just like
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Speaker 4: picking random seasons and they watch it at not yeah,
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Speaker 4: Like they're like Dad, Like I'm like, I'm like, what
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Speaker 4: years is from? It's like Survivor sixteen. They're in fifty
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Speaker 4: now by the way, they're like, this is your fifty
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Speaker 4: for incredible, not year fifty. They do two a year,
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Speaker 4: I think, right, so it's like you're twenty five a Survivor. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: My kids just every night they watch like one episode
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Speaker 4: of like season twelve, and then they finished season twelve
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Speaker 4: and just go to season seventeen. Like they just randomly
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Speaker 4: pick a season based off of like the first five
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Speaker 4: minutes of an episode. I don't like this sea. Like
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Speaker 4: my wife trying to go back and have them watch
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Speaker 4: like the first season. They're like, I you know, it
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Speaker 4: looks it's two thousand and one. It looks terrible.
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Speaker 1: It's not even high definition.
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Speaker 4: No, and the kids are like, no, not doing this.
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Speaker 4: So they go back to just watch Survivor episodes every day.
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Speaker 4: It's wild. They're gonna be home in ten minutes. The're
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Speaker 4: gonna put a Survivor. It's incredible, right, who thought?
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about actual football.
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Speaker 3: I know mock draft season is your favorite thing, and
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Speaker 3: I was looking at Field Yates, who I like Field
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Speaker 3: Yates a lot as an analyst. I was looking at
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Speaker 3: Field yates latest mock and he has Spencer Fano going
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Speaker 3: in the first round, but he's the third offensive lineman taken.
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Speaker 3: A very skill heavy top ten for Field Yates in
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Speaker 3: this one. He's got Spencer Fanal going as the third
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Speaker 3: offensive lineman taken, and the little blurb only talks about
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Speaker 3: him as a you know, an interior offensive lineman, being
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Speaker 3: either a guard or a center, which is something that
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Speaker 3: we've already discussed. And there he was maybe running some
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Speaker 3: of those drills at the combine. But is there I mean,
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Speaker 3: you're in these offensive line conversations in a way that
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Speaker 3: I never will be. Is there more common conversation and
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Speaker 3: momentum going to that that is potentially Spencer finals future.
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Speaker 4: Here well with the Lions or something. Ravens over the
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Speaker 4: interesting hmmm over the Penn State kid, huh. I have
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Speaker 4: the Ravens are gonna go guard. They're gonna just draft
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Speaker 4: a guard. I mean, you know, it gives him the
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Speaker 4: flexibility of having different options, but I don't feel like
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Speaker 4: that's really what the Ravens need a guard really and
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Speaker 4: that I would draft the best guard I would play
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Speaker 4: for Noah at tackle. I know he's taken some center,
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Speaker 4: some center stuff, and you're with the first to me,
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Speaker 4: if you're gonna spend like, if you're gonna spend like,
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Speaker 4: I don't view him like you know, Quinton Nelson or
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Speaker 4: Zach Martin, like it goes from you know, college tackle
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Speaker 4: to NFL guard and becomes an all pro. I me,
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Speaker 4: if you're gonna draft a guy that early, I think
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Speaker 4: you drafted and play the position you played in college.
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Speaker 4: You know, the center thing is fascinating because we have
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Speaker 4: seen some tackles transition into center and playing really well.
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Speaker 4: But again, if you're gonna spend a first round pick
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Speaker 4: on that, it feels pretty expensive to do. The draft
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Speaker 4: a former tackle to play center. So I would be
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Speaker 4: surprised if if the Ravens took him at fourteen. I
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Speaker 4: don't think that's a fit. I've seen the Chiefs, right.
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Speaker 4: The highest is the Chiefs at you know, drafting him
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Speaker 4: at at at nine, But even then it's interesting fit.
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Speaker 4: Just considering that the Chiefs, I don't think you need
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Speaker 4: a tackle, but I'd be surprised if someone drafting to
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Speaker 4: play guard.
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Speaker 3: Also in this same mock draft, field Yates Again, this
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Speaker 3: I think is the fourth one I've seen where they've
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Speaker 3: got Caleb Lomu going to the Browns in one form.
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Speaker 4: Or another, the second first round pick, right, Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 4: I would not be surprised if the Browns ended up
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Speaker 4: taking alignment at six and twenty four? Is it twenty
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Speaker 4: four from Jas? I wouldn't be surprised that if they
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Speaker 4: took both of those of those. You know, they just
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Speaker 4: know if it's a linement, I mean they lose, they
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Speaker 4: lost all five guys. What surprising they went back to
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Speaker 4: back off. It's alignment in this in the top of
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Speaker 4: the draft. So it's a really fascinating draft because we
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Speaker 4: know the first pick. I mean, at least we think
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Speaker 4: we do. If you listen to ESPN the last two days,
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Speaker 4: you think Ty Simpson was the best quarterback of all time,
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Speaker 4: but you know Mendoza's one. I think you feel pretty
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Speaker 4: good about Reese going two or three, and then you
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Speaker 4: know Jeremiah Love is probably a top five guy, and
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Speaker 4: then you know from then on Sean It it feels pretty
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Speaker 4: wide open, kind of just like depends on what you
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Speaker 4: need and how you grade these guys. It doesn't feel
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Speaker 4: like there's a consensus top ten. I mean, I think
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Speaker 4: we sort of know who those guys are gonna be,
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Speaker 4: maybe where they're going to go. I have I have
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Speaker 4: no idea.
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Speaker 3: Okay, pro days for guys who go to the.
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Speaker 4: Combine, Yeah, dumb.
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Speaker 1: What what is it? What does a team do?
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Speaker 3: So Spencerfono added a half inch to his arms at
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Speaker 3: the Utah Day.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So this has been a problem for a
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Speaker 4: couple of years now. The measurements of the combine just
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Speaker 4: don't feel very acti and I mean the only thing is, so,
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Speaker 4: here's the thing about the measurements and just everything with
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Speaker 4: the pro days and with the combine and stuff. So
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Speaker 4: there's there are numbers, right that we assigned to the
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Speaker 4: players based on their running and they're jumping, and they're
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Speaker 4: height and a weight, and we can measure those against
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Speaker 4: other players, right, so we know that a guy and
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Speaker 4: there's real data on like defensive linement with shorter arms
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Speaker 4: if they get drafted early and the draft are not
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Speaker 4: very good, there's data but offensivelignment for height, weight speed
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Speaker 4: forty times shuttle time. Shuttles are really good indication of
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Speaker 4: mobility and sort of really long term health. The guys
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Speaker 4: with the fastest shuttles in NFL and combine history at
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Speaker 4: the offensive line position have played a ton of snaps.
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Speaker 4: They do not get hurt very much. And we also
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Speaker 4: have a long history of knowing exactly, Okay, if the
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Speaker 4: guys at thirty two and a half inch arms with
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Speaker 4: thirty three inch arms, and they have this height and
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Speaker 4: this weight, this is how they perform in the NFL.
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Speaker 4: So it's just a matter of collecting the data right
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Speaker 4: to understand, ay where Phino fits. And so if it's
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Speaker 4: arms are three quarters of an inch longer, that changes
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Speaker 4: the data a lot, right. So, and some teams, you know,
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Speaker 4: they want the data and then they just don't care
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Speaker 4: about it, which is totally fair, right, And some teams
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Speaker 4: really care a lot about that. Some teams draft a
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Speaker 4: lot based on what the numbers tell them, right, what
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Speaker 4: historical comps tell them. And so that's why you have
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Speaker 4: the information. But I think the more we've looked at
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Speaker 4: arm length, it matters a little bit, I think. But
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Speaker 4: if you know how to play with your shorter arms,
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Speaker 4: then it's less important. If you play like a long
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Speaker 4: arm guy but you have short arms, then that's the problem, right, Sean.
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Speaker 4: And so you can play with short arms as long
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Speaker 4: as your game tailor's to that. Right. If you if
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Speaker 4: you play a game with you know, short arms, but
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Speaker 4: you play a longer arm game, then that's the issue.
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Speaker 4: So I think, to me, the arm length is not
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Speaker 4: as important as how you play the position.
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Speaker 3: Did you I think I might have asked you this before,
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Speaker 3: so forgive me if I have. Did you ever play
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Speaker 3: with a non football guy that got sucked into the
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Speaker 3: football world because of his traits?
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Speaker 4: I I played with guys who didn't like football, But
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure I play with the guy. I mean,
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Speaker 4: do I do I qualify as that? Like I didn't
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Speaker 4: play football till high school?
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Speaker 3: I uh, you know, I do qualify as that just
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Speaker 3: because of your general disposition towards everything.
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Speaker 1: But no, I mean more like that.
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Speaker 3: So so Daniel Folele, who is maybe being replaced with
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Speaker 3: the draft picks, Yeah, he was like a you know,
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Speaker 3: a sixteen year old rugby player who threw that. And
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Speaker 3: now there's this this guy, Nefkiwa who's the same thing.
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Speaker 1: He's a Scottish. He's a Scottish rug.
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Speaker 4: The one Bruce fellmer roadab Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he's
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Speaker 4: going trick to the NFL, right, He's not going to
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Speaker 4: go to do college route.
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Speaker 1: No he had, He's I mean, I have no idea.
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Speaker 3: He's six seven ninety five and moves incredibly well, and
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Speaker 3: he's never played a single down of American football.
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Speaker 4: So it's like Jordan Mylatta.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, my lot is probably the best example of this.
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Speaker 4: But I have never played with someone that matches that
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Speaker 4: that comp you know, not in the NFL, mind college. Really,
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Speaker 4: I mean I think Helodi played for I mean, I
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Speaker 4: know Holodi played a lot ton of rugby. I'm pretty
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Speaker 4: sure football. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: No, he and I graduated the same year, and.
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Speaker 4: So like eyes maybe that played. They were like, I'm
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Speaker 4: not playing with a guy like that before.
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Speaker 3: No, Well, I guess that ends the line of questioning.
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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm fascinated by these individuals though, Like Ziggyansa
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Speaker 3: is the most famous local example of this. He wanted
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Speaker 3: to be a soccer player at b YU, and then
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Speaker 3: a track star at b YU, and then a basketball
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Speaker 3: player at b YU and ended up a top ten
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Speaker 3: draft pick instead.
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Speaker 1: Because you rough life, your body just.
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Speaker 3: Dictates what you're able to do, and apparently this guy
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Speaker 3: uh Miami was the first school to offer it. Mario
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Speaker 3: Crysta Ball is like I'm gonna make you an NFL
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Speaker 3: offensive lineman, and it just seems like that's kind of
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Speaker 3: the thing that's in your wheelhouse, you.
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Speaker 4: Know, Yeah, that's that Mario. The Mario did that. It's
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Speaker 4: it's just it's harder to do than I think. We
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Speaker 4: see that. We see the results for sort of the
14:18
Speaker 4: ones where it works, but it is harder to do
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Speaker 4: than I think we give it credit for. Like these
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Speaker 4: stories pop. I remember a couple of years ago Clara State,
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Speaker 4: I think it was signed to Sumo wrestler and like
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Speaker 4: never heard we never heard from him again. Like it
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Speaker 4: You know, this is tried all the time, right, and
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Speaker 4: it just it's hard to pull off. And so I'm
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Speaker 4: curious if you going like playing tight end is obviously
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Speaker 4: done many times we've seen out these guys Antonio Gates
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Speaker 4: and Jimmy Graham and and these basketball players, but playing
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Speaker 4: offensive line, defensive line, like going from never playing ball
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Speaker 4: before hard to do.
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Speaker 1: I think defensive line would be the easiest to do.
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Speaker 1: Is that fair?
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Speaker 4: They're dummies? Yea, Because they're dummies? Is that why? I mean?
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to say it there.
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Speaker 3: It just there's a lot of playbook knowledge that goes
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Speaker 3: into scheme knowledge that goes into being a really good
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Speaker 3: offensive lineman, right, And I'm like this, Well, like, you
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Speaker 3: don't have to be an intellectual giant in order to
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Speaker 3: be able to master an offensive line playbook. But there's
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Speaker 3: a certain level of I don't know, practiced intelligence of
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Speaker 3: integrating new things and understanding the language and.
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Speaker 1: All that stuff.
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Speaker 3: You don't have nearly as much of that on the
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Speaker 3: defensive side of the ball really at any position, but
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Speaker 3: especially a D line.
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Speaker 4: No. I think I've told this before, but so before
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Speaker 4: games on Saturday nights, you would get a test from
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Speaker 4: your coach, right, and the offensive line was like your
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Speaker 4: twelve different plays, and you would draw in every position
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Speaker 4: except you maybe like quarterback or wide receiver. You had
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Speaker 4: to knew everything right to know everyone was doing every play.
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Speaker 4: I remember seeing a defense the time as ANFL. I
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Speaker 4: remember seeing a defensive tackles test on a Saturday night,
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Speaker 4: and all he could draw in was where he aligned
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Speaker 4: before the snap. That was it. He wrote two t's,
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Speaker 4: he wrote a T for one technique and three techniques.
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Speaker 4: That was it. You have to write down what he
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Speaker 4: did after the play, just where he physically aligned before
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Speaker 4: the snap. I had to draw in like the full
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Speaker 4: back path, a tight tight end was doing what like
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Speaker 4: what you know, like whether safety was aligned and how
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Speaker 4: that would change what I what I did. And this
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Speaker 4: guy was out here just drawing in tease on the page.
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Speaker 4: It's different positions, mat.
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Speaker 3: I like that, Jeff Schwartz for a few more minutes
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Speaker 3: here on the Sean O'Connell show, h we did the
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Speaker 3: math yesterday on jsn's new contract, and I like, on
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Speaker 3: the full contract, not on the guaranteed money, which I
16:49
Speaker 3: know we should have done it on the guaranteed money,
16:51
Speaker 3: but we did it with the full contract, the forty
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Speaker 3: two million a year or whatever. And uh is he
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Speaker 3: is he gonna be able to justify those numbers. It's
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Speaker 3: it's twenty four thousand dollars per yard, it's four million
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Speaker 3: dollars per touchdown, and it's three hundred and fifty two
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars per catch based on his current production in
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Speaker 3: the NFL.
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Speaker 4: I saw somewhere that this is what you make for
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Speaker 4: your radio job. It was correct. They're comparing your current
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Speaker 4: job to that. They were gonna compare our job on
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Speaker 4: Pact on radio, but they don't know how many. They
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Speaker 4: don't know how many listens we ever had? So how
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Speaker 4: did how did you do that job?
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Speaker 1: They didn't have any numbers on that show period.
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Speaker 4: It's so funny. They were like, you guys are doing well.
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Speaker 4: How the numbers? I don't know, we don't have them.
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Speaker 1: We don't know.
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Speaker 4: Literally, it feels like they would tell us, like, you guys,
17:40
Speaker 4: your show is doing great. I'm like, oh great, Like
17:42
Speaker 4: I let's have a lot of listeners. We don't have
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Speaker 4: that data for you.
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Speaker 1: Can you tell us how many average listeners we have?
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Speaker 4: Nope, nope, no, okay, sure, well, well thank your word
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Speaker 4: for it.
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Speaker 3: What about our ratings? What's what's the rating for like
17:54
Speaker 3: first satellite radio? It's a thumbs up from us? Goodhoh okay,
18:00
Speaker 3: thank you.
18:03
Speaker 4: I don't know. We were talking. Oh his money. I
18:06
Speaker 4: mean look, I think if he doesn't get hurt, it's
18:09
Speaker 4: probably worth it. I mean, you won your super Bowl already.
18:11
Speaker 4: This is like a super Bowl tax, right, You win
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Speaker 4: in your super Bowl and you pay these players, right.
18:16
Speaker 4: I mean I think that ideally Seattle would like to have,
18:19
Speaker 4: you know, maybe a second option pretend itself, just to
18:21
Speaker 4: make their offense easier. But I'll tell you what. You know,
18:23
Speaker 4: these teams that pay two wide receivers. Man, it's just
18:25
Speaker 4: not as much success right where the Eagles did it,
18:28
Speaker 4: But they did it because they had other guys that
18:29
Speaker 4: were pretty cheap, especially on defense. Didn't work for the Dolphins,
18:33
Speaker 4: didn't work for the Bengals, yet, it might not work
18:37
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys. So paying paying one guy, I think
18:40
Speaker 4: it makes sense. The captan needs to go up. It's
18:42
Speaker 4: three hundred and one this year, it's probably three twenty
18:45
Speaker 4: next year, right, Like, it's just gonna go up and
18:48
Speaker 4: up and up, so the numbers won't look as bad,
18:52
Speaker 4: you know, next year. And they you know, they didn't
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Speaker 4: pay Kenneth Walker, so like they have you know, a
18:57
Speaker 4: lot of you know, they're they're gonna be fine. They're
18:59
Speaker 4: not playing a ton of money and then they might
19:01
Speaker 4: have to pay him, you know, more money eventually, but
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Speaker 4: they have not paying him a ton of money now,
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Speaker 4: so good. It's a good deal for everyone.
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Speaker 3: Trent Williams and the Niners are in a bit of
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Speaker 3: a contract situation. He's he's older, he's not. I don't
19:21
Speaker 3: think he's he's on the wrong side of thirty five.
19:24
Speaker 3: I don't know that we can say that he's diminishing
19:27
Speaker 3: returns as of yet, but you watch the position a
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Speaker 3: lot more carefully than I do.
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Speaker 1: What do you do with Trent Williams?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're kind of just out of luck. It
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Speaker 4: recover this yesterday a little bit on my GM Shuffle
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Speaker 4: podcast with Marty Hernie. Gys want to check it out
19:40
Speaker 4: because Marty was talking. He took like five minutes on this,
19:42
Speaker 4: like just contractually, the Niners just sort of or just
19:46
Speaker 4: sort of screwed this year lack of a better term,
19:48
Speaker 4: Like they're just you can add more avoid years, I guess,
19:52
Speaker 4: and push the bill down the line, but at some
19:55
Speaker 4: point it comes due and you might have to eat
19:56
Speaker 4: it this year, right, you just have to eat the
19:58
Speaker 4: forty million dollars. And he's this expensive. This is the
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Speaker 4: costume business. It just didn't work. You didn't win a
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Speaker 4: Super Bowl and you just, you know, you just you
20:07
Speaker 4: just have to suck it up. And I mean, who's
20:09
Speaker 4: who's going to trade for for him at this price?
20:12
Speaker 4: I mean the Chiefs have always been rumored to want him,
20:15
Speaker 4: but you know, I mean that price, you just can't
20:18
Speaker 4: afford it. The Niners. You take a shot, and you should.
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Speaker 4: Williams a Hall of Fame player, but it just did
20:23
Speaker 4: you have won a championship and I now kind of
20:25
Speaker 4: those do you have to pay the billt some point? Sean, Uh,
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Speaker 4: this is you're gonna have to do it.
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Speaker 1: That's great, makes me right?
20:31
Speaker 4: I mean what else you know? Right?
20:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't. I mean you're stuck. You're right, all right?
20:37
Speaker 3: Springball is happening. We spent a lot of years doing
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Speaker 3: radio together and I was always excited about springball and
20:42
Speaker 3: you were always just like, springball's dumb. And you know,
20:46
Speaker 3: there's now the new transfer portal rules I think make
20:51
Speaker 3: springball more meaningful for teams again because you know that
20:54
Speaker 3: if he's here in spring, more than likely he's also
20:57
Speaker 3: going to be here in fall, which for the last
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Speaker 3: couple of years is far from guaranteed for anyone. I
21:02
Speaker 3: don't know when Oregon starts their spring. Utah's got some
21:05
Speaker 3: spring practice today and a lot of things to figure out.
21:07
Speaker 3: But the value of spring football now that you know
21:11
Speaker 3: teams are trying to figure out what they have and
21:15
Speaker 3: who's especially the people that just showed up on campus
21:18
Speaker 3: in January, where should we put it?
21:21
Speaker 4: I feel like our organized spring ball for like six
21:23
Speaker 4: weeks like it. They don't. They're springing is not till
21:26
Speaker 4: the NFL Draft, which have done every year on the weekend.
21:29
Speaker 4: In the NFL Draft, the say've already had a couple
21:30
Speaker 4: of practices. It's like a long. I think they have
21:32
Speaker 4: a spring break in the middle of it, Like it's a long.
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Speaker 3: A lot of teams do it that way because you
21:37
Speaker 3: have a certain number of spring practices and so they
21:40
Speaker 3: stretch them out and it's like two per week or whatever.
21:43
Speaker 4: It feels hard to get a lot of good work
21:45
Speaker 4: in if you do twice a week. But I mean,
21:49
Speaker 4: you're right, there's no more portal now, right, So guys
21:50
Speaker 4: cannot lead after the spring. So I think that maybe
21:54
Speaker 4: you know your roster. I mean, it just depends on
21:55
Speaker 4: what you do in the spring. You know, Orgon hits man,
21:58
Speaker 4: they hit in the spring, so and they play real game.
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Speaker 4: They play a real spring game, like real spring game,
22:05
Speaker 4: and so you could take away from that. I've made
22:07
Speaker 4: this argument for years. I think spring practice should be
22:11
Speaker 4: open to everyone. I think you should be allowed to
22:13
Speaker 4: watch spring practice if you're or teach someone who covers
22:16
Speaker 4: the team, maybe you don't allow fans in there, but
22:18
Speaker 4: spring practice should be open. Spring practice is a time
22:21
Speaker 4: where you sell hope for your team, time for for
22:25
Speaker 4: you know, you to learn the new players, new coaches.
22:29
Speaker 4: I strongly believe spring practice should be like a NFL
22:31
Speaker 4: training camp where it's just open. You could take videos,
22:34
Speaker 4: take do whatever you want. You just just sell hope
22:37
Speaker 4: for your team. And because you can't end up portally
22:39
Speaker 4: more portals closed. Right, So why does it matter if
22:42
Speaker 4: if you're reporting on roster decisions? It doesn't. It doesn't
22:45
Speaker 4: matter anymore. So I think spread should be open matter.
22:48
Speaker 4: I've argued this for years. You know that I made
22:50
Speaker 4: this case for many, many many years now it should
22:52
Speaker 4: be open to public.
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Speaker 3: Nebraska has a brewing fight where players are suing over
23:00
Speaker 3: the idea that whatever it is, nil go. The new
23:04
Speaker 3: college Sports Commission that's in charge of saying whether or
23:07
Speaker 3: not deals are legitimate, they vetoed a bunch of deals,
23:11
Speaker 3: not only in Nebraska, but they're taking up the fight
23:14
Speaker 3: for everyone. It's another one of those off season storylines
23:18
Speaker 3: that is just lawyers winning with their billable hours. But
23:22
Speaker 3: will we see any change or any effect on the
23:25
Speaker 3: rank and file of college football based on this is
23:27
Speaker 3: the Is the oversight body going to lose its power
23:31
Speaker 3: in this lawsuit?
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Speaker 4: Oh? No, you know what I was really hopeful for
23:35
Speaker 4: was the sixty white men that descended on the White
23:37
Speaker 4: House that we're going to figure out the problems of
23:39
Speaker 4: the NIL situation we have right now, Like like, congrats
23:46
Speaker 4: on a panel that showed up, Like, how's that going
23:48
Speaker 4: to get any further sixty like random business administrator of
23:52
Speaker 4: sports administrators, Like how about any any current athletes and
23:55
Speaker 4: thought about bringing that to the table, any agents, like
23:59
Speaker 4: anyone that actually involved in this. I'm sure the sitting
24:02
Speaker 4: senators are really really involved in NIL discussions on a
24:05
Speaker 4: daily basis. All this is just nothing's ever going to
24:09
Speaker 4: be done. You have a situation where you don't have
24:14
Speaker 4: a CBA collective bargaining agreement, so you really can't hold
24:16
Speaker 4: anyone with it. You can't make any rules, right, you
24:19
Speaker 4: just can't. There's no way to enforce any of this stuff.
24:21
Speaker 4: You have no way to enforce it unless the contracts
24:23
Speaker 4: are written with the schools in a certain way. And
24:25
Speaker 4: we've seen this with Washington and you know in other
24:28
Speaker 4: places that they've written better contracts recently. Right, So de
24:31
Speaker 4: Mount Williams can't transfer without a big penalty, Like that's
24:33
Speaker 4: the way to do it. But as far as how
24:35
Speaker 4: you're paying the players, who's getting the money, who's doing that.
24:37
Speaker 4: There's no collective barning agreement. You can't have a system
24:39
Speaker 4: in place that really enforces any of this unless the
24:41
Speaker 4: players agree to that system, right, And so I don't
24:46
Speaker 4: think anyth's going to change about this at all. They've
24:48
Speaker 4: lost every single case in the courts they could ever lose.
24:53
Speaker 4: It's just a while wise, because every state has different rules,
24:55
Speaker 4: Like one state has the rules that help the players,
24:57
Speaker 4: one doesn't one and has no rules on the books.
25:00
Speaker 4: And so I think nothing's gonna happen in the end.
25:02
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna keep paying the players. They keep
25:04
Speaker 4: doing the way it's going. And look, it's it's made
25:07
Speaker 4: certainly made college basketball very top heavy. It's made college
25:10
Speaker 4: football with more parody. It's interesting how both those have
25:12
Speaker 4: sort of gone different directions. Where Indiana can win a
25:14
Speaker 4: championship in college football, but its soons like in college basketball,
25:18
Speaker 4: just the big dogs are sort of there and good.
25:20
Speaker 4: Every year the men majors are getting are getting are
25:23
Speaker 4: getting crushed.
25:25
Speaker 1: Is Cinderella dead?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's dead. It's it's it's been dead for a
25:30
Speaker 4: couple of years now. You know, I wagered on under
25:35
Speaker 4: one and a half teams seeded thirteen through sixteen to
25:40
Speaker 4: win a March Madness game, and I ended up that
25:42
Speaker 4: was a very easy cash. I mean, it's just just dead, dude.
25:46
Speaker 4: I mean there's just if you're a good mid major player,
25:48
Speaker 4: you leave immediately right you're you're gone, you go to
25:51
Speaker 4: a big dog place. What's funny is like they're not
25:57
Speaker 4: you know, schools that pay the most aren't always winning though.
25:59
Speaker 4: Either it's just the the you know, Arizona's and the
26:02
Speaker 4: Mischiey and there's better than the mid majors. They just
26:04
Speaker 4: can't compete. We saw many times in the tournament where
26:06
Speaker 4: a mid major sort of hung close for a little bit,
26:08
Speaker 4: then you saw that burst of just the better team
26:11
Speaker 4: just dominant the rest of the game. You know, so
26:13
Speaker 4: you had a high point every now and then it
26:15
Speaker 4: just sort of SWEETSW one. Bibles Continent was up ten
26:17
Speaker 4: and couldn't win that game. What is what's wild in
26:21
Speaker 4: college basketball? On the women's side, dude, these games aren't
26:24
Speaker 4: even remotely close, Like Union's a parody problem and men's
26:28
Speaker 4: college basketball. The Yukon women were up sixty five to
26:32
Speaker 4: twelve at halftime yesterday against an ACC team against Syracuse.
26:36
Speaker 4: South Carolina beat USC by forty yesterday. USC has one
26:40
Speaker 4: of the better players in the country on their team. Yeah,
26:42
Speaker 4: jazzy Like Vandy won by twenty over an Illinois team
26:47
Speaker 4: like these numbers. UCLA won by was twenty. They kind
26:50
Speaker 4: of coasted last night these numbers for these big dog
26:53
Speaker 4: Texas beat organ by Brazilion two to three days ago.
26:56
Speaker 4: It is crazy the difference to women's college basketball. It's
26:59
Speaker 4: not even the same sports.
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Speaker 1: Before I let you go, how many times did you
27:03
Speaker 1: have to block Levante David?
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Speaker 4: I don't think what. I don't think zero? Really? Yeah? What?
27:11
Speaker 4: What when did he get He's when you get drafted.
27:14
Speaker 1: You guys are the same age.
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Speaker 4: Uh he was thirty six? When did he get to
27:23
Speaker 4: see when he got the tamp Yes, I would have
27:25
Speaker 4: played him in we went to Tampa twenty fifteen, so
27:29
Speaker 4: would have paid him in twenty fifteen. Yeah all right,
27:34
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I would play in twenty fifteen. We beat
27:36
Speaker 4: Tampa that game, I believe, so yeah, twenty fifteen. I
27:40
Speaker 4: guess we didn't play him in twenty thirteen, didn't play
27:44
Speaker 4: him in fourteen, so yeah, I put him in twenty fifteen. Yeah,
27:47
Speaker 4: Obviously we're not the same I say, we're not the
27:48
Speaker 4: same age. She's a little younger than me. Yeah, but
27:51
Speaker 4: a little bit. You're you're contemporaries. We are, we are,
27:55
Speaker 4: we are contemporaries.
27:56
Speaker 3: He had, he had one hundred and forty seven tackles
27:58
Speaker 3: that year twenty fifteen, none of them when you were
28:01
Speaker 3: assigned to block him.
28:02
Speaker 4: I'm sure no. I would never. I never made a
28:05
Speaker 4: mistake in my entire career. One mistake I made was
28:09
Speaker 4: partnering with you on packed over. Yeah, hey, hey, hey,
28:13
Speaker 4: where's your next to your next trip Pittsburgh. Oh that's
28:17
Speaker 4: a big letdown, and go from where you were to Pittsburgh.
28:20
Speaker 1: We went, We went.
28:21
Speaker 3: I went from Tanzania straight to Madrid, Madrid to home
28:26
Speaker 3: and then this week Pittsburgh.
28:28
Speaker 4: So it was Tanzania for work or was it separate?
28:31
Speaker 1: No, that was the that was the trip. That was
28:33
Speaker 1: the Safari stuff.
28:35
Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, I know I thought those were maybe
28:37
Speaker 4: like two like that was for work too, and.
28:40
Speaker 3: Before before Madrid, my last trip was Dubai And some
28:45
Speaker 3: of the videos you're seeing of like debris falling and
28:48
Speaker 3: starting fires in Dubai are taken from the hotel from
28:51
Speaker 3: the windows of the hotel that we stay in.
28:52
Speaker 1: It's pretty wild.
28:54
Speaker 4: Oh man, you took so many trips. I'm jealous.
28:57
Speaker 1: You take more trips than I do.
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Speaker 4: My life does I don't. They're gone this weekend again.
29:03
Speaker 4: Where going They're going the beach again. It's like count
29:08
Speaker 4: three hours away.
29:09
Speaker 3: When when Jeff says going to the beach, it's an
29:11
Speaker 3: actual beach in North Carolina. When he says they're going
29:13
Speaker 3: to the mountains, it's a tall hill.
29:17
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, But unfortunately we can't go to that house
29:20
Speaker 4: we were in, unfortunately got washed away in the hurricane
29:22
Speaker 4: two years ago, like just disappear off the face of
29:25
Speaker 4: the planet.
29:25
Speaker 1: That's wild. That's happening in Hawaii right now.
29:29
Speaker 4: The river like got readjusted, like it moved. The river
29:32
Speaker 4: moved like thirty feet in a different direction now, like
29:36
Speaker 4: it's a totally the river just a totally different place
29:37
Speaker 4: in that city. The rebuild the city obviously, but like
29:39
Speaker 4: it's the river moved now that they had to rebuild
29:42
Speaker 4: the city around the river. That moved. Kind of crazy.
29:46
Speaker 1: That's wild.
29:47
Speaker 3: Water is a terrifyingly powerful force. So stay disciplined out there, people.
29:55
Speaker 3: Thanks free time, appreciate you I'm talking next week.
29:57
Speaker 4: But that's
29:59
Speaker 3: Long time NFL veteran NFL Insider, college football insider, as
30:03
Speaker 3: well as times a former Oregon Duck