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Episode 9: Is Korkie Kryze a Kenobi? · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello there. It's time for most things
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Kenobi. Shouldn't it be all things
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Kenobi. Hmm.
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Hi everybody. Welcome to another episode of
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most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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and all things Star Wars. I'm your host Lauren and I am
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your host Leanne and as always, thank you James Arnold Taylor
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for providing our intro. Once again, we will never Tire
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of thanking you because we will never Tire of hearing your
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wonderful Kenobi voice. On our podcast.
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Some this week we have a very fun and somewhat controversial
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subject we're going to tackle yes in a highly requested.
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Episode all around it is we've been asked to tackle this
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subject a few times and it's a subject I get questions about
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constantly. My Tumblr is Corky kreese also a
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Kenobi, I have my theories. I think everyone has their
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theories. Anybody who's obsessed with
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Obi-Wan and Satine has an opinion on this.
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So we're kind of going to just go through some theoretical
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questions because this is a this is never addressed in Canon.
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It is completely like a fan-based Obsession.
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Yes. Dave filoni has alluded to it
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but has never like been very explicit about it which adds to
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the mystery it does because he's always kind of like sidestepping
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the question which means he knows something.
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Yeah, exactly. I mean, you don't avoid the
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question if there's nothing to avoid in the answer, am I right?
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Exactly. He said something in an
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interview which I will link in my Tumblr and I'll link it on
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our blog post, on our website about this episode.
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He said, I will keep my own Counsel on what I think, and it
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didn't even say explicitly that it was OB/GYN that he was
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talking about. Just was kind of like, I have my
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own ideas of what happened there and basically got shot down, not
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only that, but is that not the best response ever for someone
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to give in this? Let's talk about the negotiate.
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Yeah, this guy's a diplomat. He missed his calling working
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for the UN I love it. The man's a genius in many ways
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and my My Chosen One filoni and in filoni, We Trust hashtag
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filoni. Gets it.
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Yeah. But we don't get filoni is the
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biological makeup. The DNA structure of our boy
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Corky I mean, what kind of get it?
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It's all everything about Corky is Reading in between the lines,
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that's bad. It's so funny because he really
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looks physically like a perfect combination of V1 and Satine,
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right? If you and I will, I will
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definitely include screenshots again on Tumblr and on the post,
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on our website for this. So you can see, his eyes are the
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exact same shape is Obi-Wan's. And one time, I even I had a lot
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of time on my hands. Don't judge me over.
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No no judge photoshopped, Corky's hair on 20, be one from
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that scene, where Obi-Wan had his head shaved member that post
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I remembered. It was brilliant.
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Yeah like I said had a lot of time on my hands let her free
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time but it fits perfectly his hair is like a perfect mix of
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satine's blond and Obi-Wan's red.
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He's got the shape of satine's, knows the shape of her lips.
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Soooo. And like the shape of Obi-Wan's
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chin, if he wasn't, you know, didn't have a beard.
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So, or an adolescent, like Corky is, right?
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Right. And I saw somebody did some
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artwork of Corky and then they added a beard to it.
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And it was Obi-Wan like, it was. Yeah.
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Yeah. And they just they showed their
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like before and after I was pretty funny.
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I was like, yeah there's it's spooky how similar they are.
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So there's the obvious Yes, the obvious is in the looks, right?
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And yeah. Do we ever know who his mom and
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dad are? Like, it's just the nephew of
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Satine but I need more answers than that, because it's not,
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it's not conquer. I mean, it's very vague.
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How many sisters or brothers did Satine and what's-her-name
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Bogata Bogata, how many what other what other siblings.
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They don't even have the same accent and there.
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Is nothing about Bo and stettin. That looks like physically
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similar and their facial structure, even their eye color.
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Like everything about them is very different, but I mean, I
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know that cetina Bo our brothers, our sisters, but I've
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heard that they have a brother but again, I don't know.
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I've read a lot of stuff on like, Wikipedia and online.
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I don't know if this is a dress anywhere in Canon because I
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haven't read any of them more recent novels, I don't think
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it's in any of the Graphic novels or comic books, but I
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don't know if anyone knows, please let us know.
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Please message us tell us because because we're interested
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where this family tree comes from.
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It's all very ambiguous you know and mandalorians are just messy
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overall. So I would buy that there's a
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there's a straggler gries out there like you know either was
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estranged from the family or was not recognized by the you know
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because mandalorians are so I mean ride or die for each other,
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seriously seriously? Yeah.
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So I mean, he could have died, you know, on the flip side of
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that, and he's not a part of the picture or she, if it's another
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sister, I don't know. Corky just doesn't look like bow
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to me. They have, she's got red hair
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and that's about where it ends. She has like, a whole different
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facial structure. So, I don't know.
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And like, I re-watch the episode that mostly features Corky, it's
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called The Academy, it's in season.
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Three. And I made some notes about
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like, his mannerisms that were standing out to me.
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Like you very clearly, has obviously the facial structure
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and all of that, but he also is like, he's extra the way Obi-Wan
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is like, there's a part where the, he and a bunch of friends
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ride up on a speeder and he jumps over the handlebars to get
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down and his friends. I'll just walk down off the
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ramp, like normal people. He's extra so that runs in the
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Kenobi blood. Yeah exactly.
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He's a kind of What Not to not to interrupt but I pulled up
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Wikipedia since you brought it up.
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It says a Scion of house Kris uh Scion is a detached living
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portion of a plant mmkay so just roll with it joined to a stock
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and grafting, okay? Or a descendant of a wealthy
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aristocratic or influential. So descendant, does that help?
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I mean it's it doesn't really answer you just sucking the
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family. Well if he's a descent, they're
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saying Corky is a Scion. Yeah.
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A Scion of house. Creed's.
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So he's a descendant of one. Do the creases do they track
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lineage through the mother or the father, right?
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That's a question that would ants.
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Like if it's just through the mother, you know that Corky is a
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crease through his mother as opposed to through his father.
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That I mean this is getting really well.
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We need to know early and we have got to know these are these
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are the details. I'm looking at all of the words
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just to see if there's you know I mean It's Wikipedia, but
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still, I'm looking for anything because we've got nothing.
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So throw us a bone here guys. Hey oh my God I love it.
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Fucking mandalorians. Sorry.
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Oh, I got with her Honor Code, their blood lines.
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And yeah, it's, it's a lie was who is Messier the whole of
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Mandalore or the whole of the name Skywalker.
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Oh God. I'll wait.
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Just give me a minute to consult my Star Wars.
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Encyclopedia that will cover that in another episode.
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Sorry. Derailed honestly probably
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Skywalker Skywalker's. Yeah, let's pck first hidden
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identities. Also sick like being what is it
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immaculately conceived out of the forest?
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Yeah. It's where you they're just
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they're starting off with a bang.
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Bang. Sorry.
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Mandalore or not a bang because there was no was no.
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Okay, there's no, no big bang, but just all those Skywalker's
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anyway, tangent ending right now.
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God, I love us. It wouldn't be an episode of
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most things Kenobi. If there wasn't a tangent or to
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my right, yeah, we've got to go off the rails a little bit.
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All right, there are mannerisms. Yes, there's visual
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similarities. There's a whole like, you know,
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he thinks with his chin the same exact way over one does.
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But what it comes down to is whether or not you believe not,
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you necessarily Leanne. But anyone listening believes
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that Obi-Wan and satine's connection, was it?
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Purely emotional when they were young and they met?
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Or was it more than that and deeper than that?
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Because you can either buy into the George Lucas School.
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Of that or the I'm going to say Dave.
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Filoni school of thought but I don't know if he's like purely
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responsible because he shared producing Powers producing
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showers with George saluted. Yes, on the Clone Wars.
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So George Lucas could veto basically anything that Dave
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filoni came up with. So I don't know who's
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responsible but I'm going to just call it Dave filoni.
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So, Like Obi-Wan is the perfect Jedi, right?
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He is, and I, that is not a hundred percent.
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Sure. He's very flawed.
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But like, he's supposed to be like the Galahad figure in Star
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Wars, right? Very pure of heart is like
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really sincere and his wish to be a good Jedi but Then the
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Clone Wars comes along and makes you realize he's a lot more
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complicated than that, and he never explicitly says anything
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about his relationship with Satine.
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He always says, I had feelings for her, you know.
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It was I cared for her. He never says, I love you and he
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never says that they had a relationship.
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He just says, had you said the word I would have left the Jedi
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Order, right? So nobody ever really comes.
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Out and says it. So what do you think?
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Do you think that they had? I definitely an innocent love o
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innocent. No, no because I want to believe
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that Obi-Wan Kenobi has gotten down and dirty okay, but that's
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my selfish. Kenobi loving person speaking
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from from the Star Wars. Elm Cannon versus non-canon
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ideal. Versus, you know, what we
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believe is true versus what it is.
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I he's a human, just like the rest of the Jedi were and we
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know that several had relationships some with each
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other some with non Jedi, non for sensitive individuals.
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And I think, That Obi-Wan had a romantic relationship.
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It was more physical than they're not going to say it.
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He's not going to say it because he's held to this.
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I mean, he's bound to the code and he probably views it as like
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a mistake and he has to try and write his wrong, not a mistake
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in the sense that loving her was a mistake.
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But a mistake. And what, you know, I mean, the
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same thing as with, yeah, Anakin and Padme Anakin knew it was
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wrong, but an accident, fuck violated.
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His coat was not the type, right?
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Yeah. So, but when I first watched
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clone wars, and I first saw Corky, it never crossed my mind
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that he could be Obi-Wan son at all.
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I didn't think till later on. No.
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And then after Like things came out.
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Dave filoni talked about it. I read things online.
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I was like, oh, oh okay, yeah I could see this now.
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I think he is because there's so many subtleties there that
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aren't so subtle after you think.
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But when he was first on there, I was like, oh, I nephew.
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Okay, they're adding depth to Satine.
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That's how I took it first time. I think that's how I took it to.
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I can't remember anymore because I've gotten so drab.
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So deep. Into this.
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Well, I remember, because I remember seeing stuff about
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Corky and the theories that were coming out and then like,
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getting into the, the depth of like, Obi-Wan and satine's
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relationship. And then I thought, how the hell
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did I miss that? You know, it was one of those
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things like Leanne. Duh.
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Look at him. Like, yeah.
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I mean, I agree with you, but I think that, So, one of my
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arguments right? Is that there's several reasons?
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I still think that they did have more than just like an
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infatuation. Was it the tension survived like
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15 years of them? Not seeing each other?
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That's a great Point. That's stuff that is shit left.
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Unsaid that is shit yet. Unfinished.
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Exactly. That's scorned love.
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Mmm. You don't just hang on to that
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tension and bitterness if you were in fact, Saturated with you
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thought. Some you had a crush and it
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wasn't requited that doesn't happen.
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Like, you don't hold on to that shit for 15 years and bring it
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back up. Also likes the teens dying
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breath. She used to tell him that she
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loved him. That's the truth.
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Yes, dying breaths, are important.
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Okay. And then, they had to think
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about the think of it from a creating, a creation, Purdue
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student production. Scuse me point of view, like
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they knew. Writing that in.
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Like that was important. That was a key thing, right?
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Right. It was purposeful right.
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And I like, I get why they withheld OB, whenever saying I
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love you to her because that would reach, detract from him
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saying it to Anakin and Revenge of the Sith.
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I get it but I do think that like the subtext says it all.
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So another reason I think that they had more than just you know
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a sweet childish love is because they have like a physical
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intimacy that he doesn't have with any other character.
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And I did a post on this wuntch where I put all the pictures of
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how he grabs her hand or touches her shoulder or like puts his
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hand on her back or like even when they're out running the
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missile, at the end of the first episode in the Mandalore Arc.
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She he starts to run, he turns she jumps into his arms and they
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fall down that Elevator Shaft and he covers her body with his
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yes that's without thinking like right.
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And then like that's like physical understanding.
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Like they've done that before. Good point.
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Yes, probably because they were out running bounty hunters or
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whatever. But still like like I said, in a
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post like they are animating this, they could have had him
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physically land anywhere and he lands on top of Yes.
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True all subtext. You can't say it outright so you
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do it with your visuals and like that is which lets applaud the
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fact that a damn animated show could do all this right?
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And so yeah. Brilliantly like kudos to the
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team seriously. It's so I don't know.
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It's just like really fucking good storytelling.
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That is it is, and here we are. How many years later?
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Still asking the question. People are still talking about
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it. People are still writing about
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it. People are still, you know,
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theorizing making memes. You know, soon photoshopping
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I'll be watching here on to hit Corky's head.
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I mean, as I got nothing better to do with my time well and you
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and I think, didn't we just see something?
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I think, maybe you've sent it to me on Instagram of Corky showing
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up. Oh, on Tatooine.
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Yeah. They did a real life.
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It was a meme kind of of Obi-Wan in the Kenobi.
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Television series coming up, and Corky shows up in Mandalorian
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armor and says, hey, I'm the nephew of Satine.
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Crees. Yeah.
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And and I sent it to you. So cool if that I sent to you,
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and whoever the actor was that they put in that Meme was like
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actually perfect, right? It was a very mature version of,
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you know, real life version of the animated character and could
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you imagine how much Obi-Wan would shit his pants?
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My God. The whole fandom would shit
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there. Well yeah I mean I need to see,
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we need to see what the facial expression is on you and to see
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what what's conveyed their so we know we get more information and
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just because he shows up, doesn't mean that even Corky
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knows, one way or the other, maybe Corky doesn't even know
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who his father is. He just knew that Obi-Wan was
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important as a teen? Yeah, I have this whole thing in
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my head of, like, he probably found something of satine's, he
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or maybe All gave him something that was important to cetina had
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some hinting at a Jedi. And then he went on this, this
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like quest to find Obi-Wan and meanwhile Obi-Wan's just trying
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to take care of Luke from a distance.
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And here comes this, this, this DNA matched male who's
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frequently too much like himself.
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You know, I have this whole thing planned, out my head
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already for him to open the door and for them to look at each
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other and realize that they look like wait a second.
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Hold on, Lee Anne. They should have had you write
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this series? I've been saying it is.
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I've been saying, no, it does make me excited for the Kenobi
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series for more than one reason, but the maybe we'll get tidbits,
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you know? Yeah.
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There could be something really good in there.
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It could ruin everything or it could be beautiful.
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I can't wait to see it happen and we will cover it every
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single episode. Don't you worry.
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Yes. So, the other question, I get
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all the time with this scenario is why Woods the teen, keep
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Corky a secret from ob1, if he was ob1 son, why wouldn't she
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tell him to protect Obi-Wan and what he believes in to not
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derail him or make him think? Maybe?
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Because you know, I think I'll be one would be the type that if
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he found out. He had a son or daughter, he
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would not. Abandon that son or daughter?
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Mmm. I imagine that Satine would keep
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it hidden from him knowing how important it is.
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I mean shit if he didn't give up the code and his Jedi path for
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her, then she would probably think like I don't want him to
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give it up for the sun like it's important to him.
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Right? Mmm.
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Yeah, so I think of it, more of a selfless like I understand
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that being a Jedi is obviously very important to him.
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I'm going, I'm going to keep this a secret.
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I don't know. That's that's what I think but
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yeah, sure what about you? I totally agree with that.
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That's on my list. I have written a post about this
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so I yeah I have had like four elements that I thought would be
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or four reasons why she wouldn't tell him and that was one of
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them. Oh, what are the others?
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The other one is her. Life was always in danger.
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Oh yeah, so she wouldn't even have told Corky.
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You know, that she was his mother because it's safer.
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If he wasn't like a royal descendent like an inherit, the
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the Duke de more, The Duchess dumb.
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Yes. Very true.
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Yes, because I mean she has many like life attempts on her life
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even before we see her in the Clone Wars and then during the
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Clone Wars, we see what one very successful attempt on her life.
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Yes, right. Well, and Also thought maybe to
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protect Corky from the Jedi because if oh shit what if he
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was for sensitive? I didn't think of that.
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That's true. You know, the mandalorians hate
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the Jedi, at least they have a long history of hating them and
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they would not have wanted one of their own to be claimed by
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the Jedi. That's a very obvious one, I
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didn't think of but you're right, which is interesting
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because we are introduced to Corky while Ahsoka is Like
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teaching them instructing them. Hmm, I don't know, like, you
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know, she's there representing it which is messy you know, it
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is as we as we later learn Ahsoka becomes kind of I'll say
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pivotal in the Mandalorian. How the mandalorians?
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Yeah I mean evolved again survive.
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Yeah, yeah absolutely. She's more important than she
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probably knew at the time. And there's so much corruption
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and Mandalore, my God. And here, we are.
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So many years later with the actual Mandalorian television
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series, where there are Jedi again, assisting mandalorians
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and Bo obviously has a very close connection to Ahsoka
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obviously, right. And it's shown in the
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Mandalorian and then we have Luke who doesn't give a fuck,
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he's gonna help whoever he can now, Mandalorian, I don't give a
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fuck. They're in need, I don't care
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who they are. I'm going to help but like, you
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know, looks the exception to everything so.
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But I think in Legends doesn't Luke help.
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Oh yeah, like re-establish, their, I might be wrong on that
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but I thought that I had read that somewhere that Luke had
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like helped Mandalore. This is obviously no longer
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Canon, right? But I mean but like help them
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re-establish themselves after the Empire basically stripped
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them of all of their Resources and left as they did.
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So many plans are in so many planets.
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Mmm. Well, the last reason I have is
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that maybe she just felt really betrayed by ob1.
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Like he chose the Jedi over her and she maybe didn't want to
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face rejection if he a man like you, I don't believe that he
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would have turned his back on Corky, but maybe after like
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being vulnerable with him and then he still left.
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Mandalorian went back to the Jedi.
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Maybe she didn't trust that I would choose her and Corky over
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the Jedi, I don't know. That was just a very theoretical
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idea there, but I mean, human emotion would support that
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theory, right? That would have been a hard pill
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to swallow for stettin but seriously you wouldn't have been
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leading with your mind. You doing leading with your
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heart in a moment like that you would have just been feeling
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hurt and Abandoned and yep yeah you never know reasons why I
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think Think that Obi-Wan wouldn't have a banded, his son
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or daughter is because Luke wasn't even any way connected
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and he didn't abandon that child.
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And it was the child of his best friend and brother who betrayed
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him. Mmm.
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Yeah. So if he can, if he can do it in
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that respect, I completely believe that he would do it for
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his own flesh and blood, especially from a joint
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connection with a woman. He does love Hmm.
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Not did love does love ya, which he says in season 7, you know,
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Bo says, I thought you cared about her and he said I did and
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I still do still would say I love her but that's as close.
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As we're gonna get. That's all right, we know
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because of subtext and Dave filoni.
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We can read between the lines. Beautiful work honestly.
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Last week, we talked about our favorite Sith.
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What makes a great Sith and then we asked, who is your favorite
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Sith? And we got quite a few
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responses. In fact, she laser lightsaber
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said, Sidious got to give some credit when it's due, but I feel
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like Plagueis was also a threat to society, but then she adds,
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For fuck's sake. My phone autocorrected Sidious
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to sudokus. We love that.
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In fact, comments were kind of split.
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A lot of people went for Sidious, but a lot of people
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really like mall to Ira night, says on YouTube.
26:01
My favorite Sith is definitely Mall.
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He's nuts and so entertaining to watch, but Vader is a close
26:06
second. One of my favorite scenes in all
26:08
of Star Wars is the ending scene in Rogue one.
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And let me tell you something. I ra night my favorite Vader
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seen ever also at the end of Rogue one amazing.
26:18
We ran a Twitter poll as well and it turns out that Sidious
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one. So it's split Sidious versus
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Mall not a bad combo. So obviously we've gone over
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many points and counter points as to what we think when it
26:43
comes to Corgi and whether or not he is Obi-Wan's biological.
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On or not. We want to ask you.
26:50
We've heard a lot of chatter unrelated to this podcast, but
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we want to know. How do you feel?
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What do you think and why do you think he's the son of Obi-Wan?
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Do you, do you think he's just the nephew of some unnamed,
27:03
unknown brother, sister of Satine?
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I mean, this is, this is there's a lot of ins and outs with this
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one and we would love, love, love.
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Love to know what you think. Join us next week, for a really
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fun subject. I even love the title.
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We have a titled already. Of course why.
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Dave, filoni is a goddamn genius.
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That is the title. That is the working title.
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The functioning title the final title.
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Why Dave filoni is a goddamn genius, all caps part, one of
27:39
many, I'm sure. No, but we're going to get into
27:43
the man. We're going to get into his
27:46
beginning. Where he's going all the things
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to come everything he's done. Yeah.
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His style. His knowledge, the respect he's
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gained perhaps, are there others out there who don't like him?
28:03
Jay him. Clutch my pearls.
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If there are people out there who don't like him, we see you.
28:08
We respect you, but we disagree with you.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Your opinion is still out. Everyone's allowed to not like
28:16
Dave. If I guess they don't you like
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him, it's fine. I can hand.
28:19
Yes. But next week we're it's all
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love. It's all love.
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Yeah, well I'm we can talk a little more about maybe his
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background a little bit, maybe there's some things you don't
28:28
know about him that we can dive into.
28:31
But well, there's always my personal Hometown connection.
28:35
That's true. Maybe you can use it to entice
28:38
him onto this show. I'm gonna try, I'm gonna try
28:42
when this episode comes out. We need everyone to love bomb,
28:45
Dave, filoni and tagged, Men are, can we can't, we put out
28:49
the request to our followers listeners and lovers to just
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love bomb. Dave, filoni for us.
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Thank you. He deserves it.
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Yes. Well, thank you so much for
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joining us here on most things Kenobi.
29:06
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win, May the force be with you always.