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Issue 360: The Bad Batch: Season Three · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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the reason that we are doing this incredible crossover episode for everyone is because,
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well, the final season of The Bad Batch has happened, and we
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have now seen the completion of this part of the story. And of course,
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you know, we don't know what's gonna come next, but my goodness,
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I just we'll get into it. We've got so much to talk about
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this season. But I wanted to ask you because so this is something that
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with the animated series it seems like they're doing more of, which is kind
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of allowing multiple episodes to air at one time, and especially with the beginning.
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In fact, they also did the same thing for Random or Right.
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You have three episodes drop at the beginning of that show, and so it's
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not just animation. So with season three, we had a massive opening of
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three episodes, and so much happens in those three episodes. Way more than
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I even could have imagined was going to happen, especially since you end up
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having Crosshair and Omega, you know, escape from Tantus. You have you
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know, meeting a new character like Batcher. You know, we meet some
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clone cadets, you know, on the mission that Hunter and Wrecker are on.
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And so it's just I got to ask you, what did you think
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of opening the season this way? Oh, it's definitely it was great,
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simply because it was all so good. But also it's a frustrating thing is
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that we're all still trying to find the balance between what's been you know,
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affectionately referred to as binge watching and this weekly release schedule. The weekly release
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schedule can be frustrating at times because you want more and you're forced to wait.
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And that's the way it used to always be, kids and blah blah
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anything else that those of us who remember broadcast TV being the only option could
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throw out there to everybody. But at the same time, you know,
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it's it's interesting because I think that it speaks to an idea that floats around
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in my brain every so often, that our collective fixation on formats being like
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between there's almost this binary brain freeze between us between thirty and sixty minutes for
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any episode of any show, and that's still tied to old broadcast mentality,
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And it's like, I would love them to give the creators the freedom to
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say, you know what, it's X amount of hours of runtime and do
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you know if you want to if you want to have like a two hour
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TV movie in the middle of the season, and then I mean, look
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at me falling into the half hour hour category again. But like if you
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want to throw something in there and you know, have episodes be wildly varying
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in length, that would be an experiment worth seeing. All of that to
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say, I was really grateful for the three episodes that were dropped at once,
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because this would have been a very difficult arc to be patient for to
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see where it was going, especially because I think that the very first opening
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notes of the first episode of the season were so incredibly well done to show
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the way that Omega was back in a life we had seen her in at
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the beginning of the first season. She was back to life as it was
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in a research facility with a camon Owen guiding her around with a bunch of
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clones. But we saw it demonstrated how different things were just in the short
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span of time between Camino and the Empire having control of the program, and
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that that I thought was just an absolutely brilliant way to kick it all off.
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Yeah, I completely agree with you. I think that, like you
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said, the juxtaposition of this season versus especially the first season when we first
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meet Omega and what her life is like. You know, you see the
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massive difference between you know, Camino under the Republic, you know, where
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they have freedom to do what they want. You know, there's freedom on
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the planet, and hear this complete imperial control hovering over everything and threatening everybody.
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I mean, you know the fact that you know, there's a complete
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difference in Naalssa, you know, who is destroying omega samples because she tells
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Omega that it's going to be dangerous for her if they find out what Naalsa
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knows about Omega. And we're going to find out throughout the season about Omega,
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and so I mean there's that. I mean, gosh, you even
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have one of the creepiest, scariest things happen, which is the Emperor visiting
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Tantis, which is of course the third episode of the season where they escape,
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Crosshair and Omega are able to escape. But in something that we've talked
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a lot about as we were walking through season two on Aggressive Negotiations was the
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idea of the way that Omega's character is continually growing throughout the seasons, and
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even in this first episode, I thought it was incredibly interesting to watch her
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as a character display these character traits that we know and love about her,
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but that are going to play throughout the entire rest of the season, and
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that are going to be driving her as a character. Right. You know,
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it's her loyalty, her ability to sympathize even with people who might be
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seen as an enemy, you know, and this comes specifically with that relationship
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with Batcher. You know, it also comes in her relationship with Emery.
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Right, the seeds are planted there for Emery's change, and all of that
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is done within these first three seasons. All of that is done within these
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first three episodes. And then on top of that, you have that Sandwich
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episode where you see just the insanity of the Advanced Science Division and what they've
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been up to, and basically they've created their own version of Jurassic Park run
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amuck with the slyther Von and like just almost the depravity that you see of
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that science division. Who has there isn't it's completely amoral. We're just going
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to try and do things to see if we can do things and if we
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can use it to our advantage. And then of course you tie that in
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with the Emperor visiting and it's just absolutely terrifying. Yeah. I mean the
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episode where you have the slyther vines are they are truly an invention worthy of
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Star Wars where this is that very classic Oh yeah, that makes sense that
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a creature like that would be something I would encounter pre nineteen seventy seven.
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I don't think anybody really thought up a Dianoga, but it has that very
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nineteen fifties science gone wrong vibe to it, where that's what's really enjoyable about
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it is it has that mad scientist flare and I think also speaks to something
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they have always had the decency to have as a running thread in Star Wars
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without being sloppy and blunt about it, which is the Empire subjugates people and
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it destroys nature. It destroys the beauty of anywhere. This is a beautiful,
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verdant planet. The Empire shows up and turns it into monster World and
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then just leaves. It's like, eh, you know it's broken, that's
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fine, We'll leave it there. And now for all time, anybody that
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happens to be, oh, hey, here's a planet I'm gonna go check
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out, they're gonna get eaten by slyther vines. Like it's such a toss
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off sort of thing where it's like, how would you even fix something like
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that? And you know, because I love to crack jokes, you almost
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think the Death Star did serve a utilitarian purpose where you know, there were
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planets like with slyther vines on them, and the Emperor was like, you
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know, really, actually only way to take care of this, so you
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know, we'll destroy the rebellion. Then we've got to go around and wipe
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up our old projects. One of the things, of course as well,
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that we've talked about many times on Aggressive Negotiations, and of course years we've
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talked about Star Wars, which is, you know, this idea of the
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way in which especially the animation has always utilized the different genres and different movies
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and stories that we've seen in different films and everything, and kind of playing
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with those ideas and there's just so much of the beauty of like the Jurassic
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Park type of motif in that, you know, it's like they took these
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vines and crossed it with a sarlac to create this you know, hideous monster
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right that you can't then control, that you thought you can control. And
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so yeah, I mean, like, I think there's just something so beautiful
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about that. And then of course, you know, with this big opening
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too, we all know as fans, even though the characters don't know,
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you know, we realize the Emperor is visiting Tantis to understand where these experiments
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are going needing m count and of course we all know what that means.
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In fact, not only do we know what that means, but we actually
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see the testing that's happening, right, and it's the exact same test that
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you saw happening in episode one. It's the exact same look of the test
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on the screen as what we saw in episode one. And so we get
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a better sense than of where this entire season is going to go, which
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is, okay, there's all these clones at Tantas, but we've also got
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exactly what they're looking for, which is, you know, of course the
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connection all the way through to the sequel trilogy, but also throwing in there
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again without being clumsy or sloppy or blunt about it, answering the question of
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well, why don't you just create clone Jedi? And everybody's always had their
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sort of theories about it, and we'll all hold on to our theories,
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but here it is basically answered. It's like, Eh, the Midiclorians don't
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like that, so it's like, oh, well, yeah, okay,
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that's a fair point. Like it's the one thing I struggled with, actually
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that I want to throw at you, is they keep referring to m count
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because nobody would know what Amdicchlorian was outside of the Jedi, right. Do
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you think they did a good enough job for tying it together to Midichlorian because
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we hear the word Midichlorian once? I think, do you think they do
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a good enough job of outlining or I'm sorry, laying out what m count
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means, what it truly means to the characters and to the storyline. I'm
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not gonna buias you giving you my own answer, but I'm curious, like,
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do you think there was because there were people that complained about it?
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Do you think think that there was enough of a dot between A and B,
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you know, a line between point A and point B. It's a
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great question, and I'm glad you asked it, because I think that if
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there's one thing that the season doesn't do well enough, is that I think
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it should have just come out and set it, and I think that there
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should have been even greater connections made in the sense of just stop beating around
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the bush about it and just say it outright, you know what exactly because
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at this point, you know, when the Emperor and Hemlock are talking,
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they're not going to be talking in code. They're talking together in a secure
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location about this project and a place that nobody in the galaxy can find at
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this moment. And so I also was a little bit perturbed that we actually
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never saw what was in the pods in that room. I felt like there
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just didn't seem to be a reason to hide that. Now. I'm sure
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that in some way we probably got maybe something else, We're going to get
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more information, but it just seemed as though like they were holding back,
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and I couldn't quite understand exactly why they were holding back. And because you
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know, again we mentioned right this connects with Project Necromancer. We've already heard
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about Project Necromancer in the Mandalorian. We know that that was what they were
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working on with Baby Yoda, right, and that you had oh, what's
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his name, maf Gideon trying to do the same thing that the Emperor had
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been doing. But we also saw that scene where Brenda Hawks has been working
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on this idea, right, you know, so there's this connection, this
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thread running through and you know, I thought it was fascinating, but I
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also felt like, and I gotta ask you this question in reference to Project
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Netcromancer. I just felt like them beating around the bush about Omega's m count
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was something that was slightly frustrating for me as well, because obviously they allude
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to the fact that she does have a relatively hot she has to have a
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very special m count for this to work, for her to be so special,
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I see. I like that that is not stated outright because of the
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fact that it leaves in question about what that means for her future, because
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either she was genetically manipulated in such a way that it makes it possible for
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her cells to except somebody else's midiclorians, which you know, maybe that ties
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into in terms of the m count thing, I think that yes, it
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would have made more sense for the Emperor and Hemlock to have said it more
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outright. I don't mind not seeing what's in the pods, but that you
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know, one of my favorite films is pulp fiction. What's in the briefcase
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doesn't matter. It's tied to why everybody's running around right now. And I
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like the idea of leaving it open the name necromancer, knowing they're messing with
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mediclorians. What I would have. What I would hope they will do,
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whether it's in a book or another series, is show us at some point,
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maybe in Tales of the Empire season two, free story pitch guys,
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that we find out they attempted to do this sort of experiment on dead Jedi,
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because after all, where the Midiclorians, the Mediclorians are in them,
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so maybe we can extract from a dead Jedi and you find out nope,
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no, dice can't do it. And as a result, like that gives
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a little more shading to it because you have all these you know, Jedi
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you're hunting down and killing. Did they try to take their cells and and
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and mess around with them, sure well. And and I think you know,
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one of the things too that just on this whole idea of Project Necromancer.
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One of the things that I think I pieced together that was really interesting
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was the fact that you know, we know that Emery and Omega or sisters,
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and to get the feeling that the that Emery is possibly just a failed
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experiment in what they were trying to create with Omega, because she says,
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you know, I was I was at another location and then you know,
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doctor Hemlock found me and brought me under his wing, and so you get
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this idea that you know, she was kind of discarded in some ways because
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the Cominoans didn't need her, she didn't achieve what they wanted, and therefore,
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you know, somebody else picks her up and utilizes her for their benefit.
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And so I thought that was really fascinating. And it's another thing where
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I almost wish that there had been a little bit more on, because you
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know, I feel like as much as we learn about Omega and her connection
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to Project Necromancer, I do feel like there's a thousand other questions about her
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and in all of this that I would have loved to have just had a
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little bit more on, mainly because you know, I just find it to
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be so utterly fascinating and this, you know, just her creation, who
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she is, all of that stuff. So yeah, but let me offer
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this one counterpoint is that I enjoy a little bit of mystery left. I'm
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not saying that makes me better or blah blah blah. I'm not anything like
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that. I'm saying that The one box that this season, this show manages
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to avoid are the fan arguments about the explanations. Every time Star Wars has
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tried to explain something very clearly, it causes this hideous fracture in the fan
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base, especially an online discourse. If they'd come out and bluntly said something
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about what made Omega so so much more special, we'd never heard the end
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of it. We'd still be hearing about it, and then in twenty five
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years people would still be complaining about what they had a problem, Like it's
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just like a so I'm I'm actually kind of happy that they were, Like,
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I know Omega's special. I know that she has something to do with
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the way her cells can accept midichlorians in experiments, or the way hers can
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transmit Like, you know, she's the key. She's Omega, She's the
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of it all, and leaving her future open actually leaves me more hopeful that
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we'll get another Omega series at some point, or get her in a series
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at some point. I'd love to see her show up in live action in
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the Ahsoka era. That would be fascinating to me. But you know,
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all that being said, you know all that being said, I think that
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what we really need to not let go of is the fact that her empathy
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is really what makes her incredibly special, Like you were saying with Batcher and
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with cross Hair, because cross Hair is the ultimate pessimist, Batcher is basically
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a hunting dog, and Omega gets through to both of them and melts their
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hearts and they both love her. And it's like that that thing. While
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we can sit there and we can go back and forth about m counts and
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what makes her genetics so special and all of that type of stuff, what
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actually makes Omega special is her empathy and her love for others, and her
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willingness to sacrifice and be there, Like those are actually the things of the
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most importantly special things about Omega, especially throughout this season. Yeah, well,
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and I think you know you touched on something that is really important to
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the season, which is the idea of putting this unlikely pair together. And
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I think what's beautiful is the way in which she, like the other clones
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the time that she's spent with them, she slowly changes Crosshair by her actions,
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by just being her, and in fact, she brings out the best
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in all of the clones that she gets to know. And that's what's really
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beautiful is to watch her play into Crosshair's redemption arc and what he's willing to
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do for her because of what she was willing to do for him, even
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when he kind of hated her, you know. And I just found that
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to be such a beautiful picture of Grace completely unmerited favor, and it's it's
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really really beautiful. And I think it's the kind of thing where, you
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know, the world just needs more of these type of stories and more characters
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like Omega and playing against characters like Crosshair, and it made it a really
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moving season. Then, you know, to get to the end to see
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what he was willing to do then for her, the fact that he's willing
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to lose, you know, his shooting hand, the fact that he's willing
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to do whatever it takes to get her back and make sure she's safe.
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It. I mean, I know I'm gushing, but it's one of those
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things even though I'm thinking about it. You know, this show is always
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so good at I think in the Star Wars animation is always so good at
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getting to getting you to a place that you get emotional about the characters that
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you're watching on screen. And that was the best part of putting Omega and
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Crosshair together so much of this season. Yeah, I don't know what I
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can add to that, honestly. I mean, we all know Recor is
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my emotional favorite, but cross Hair. You know, I'm gonna say something
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a little weird, but Crosshair what I think makes him super relatable for any
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of us who have been through working at a place that gets acquired by someplace
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else. Right, I've you know, I've worked at least two places that
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got bought by someplace else, and you know you had that whole thing of
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like it does turn you cynical, like even more cynical if you were a
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cynic to be like, meet the new boss worse than the old boss,
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or you know, everything's changed, and it's like it's nice to see Crosshair
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discover a sense of, you know, just a sense of hope and additionally
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a sense of this is the guy where, if you go all the way
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back to the first season, was the most rugged of the entire batch.
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He was always the one that was gonna be like, well, if they're
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wounded too badly, we got to move on sort of thing. And instead
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he's moved in this season to a character that is willing to sacrifice himself and
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like you said, lose his hand, like lose so much just for the
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sake of her of love for someone else. And I mean, it's nice
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to see cross Hair finally become one of the parents for Omega, right,
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yeah, I think, yeah, I love you that you mentioned that too,
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And it's something that I didn't even have, you know, here on
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our topics of conversation outline, just so we could try and not miss things
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because we're talking about an entire season. But you know, I think that
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that's also something that is incredibly beautiful about the season as well. You know,
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this this really is a show about space dads. And I think the
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fact that you have Wrecker and you have Hunter and you have cross Hair,
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who are these father figures to Omega? In different ways, right, It
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is really beautiful. And the beauty of it too is that you take these
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characters who were legitimately just made for one thing, and it plays back all
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the way back to that Clone Wars episode the Deserter, right where you had
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the Clone who deserted because he didn't believe in the war, and then he
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falls in love and he has kids, and so you see this ability of
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these characters to do that, and then you have these i mean the ultimate
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warriors, you know, and they find themselves in a position where they can't
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help themselves but to fall in love with this child who's been put in their
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care, and then, like any good father, be willing to do anything
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and everything it meant to keep that child safe. And I think that that
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is also a really incredible story because there are too many times on television where
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fathers are discounted or shown to be kind of like do or whatever. And
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I think that this show really speaks to the importance of fatherhood into the lives
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of children. And I think even especially you know, within pact that they
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can have on their daughters. And I found that to be incredibly beautiful in
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this series, Oh for sure. I mean The thing that I think is
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also an interesting sort of meta read of the season is, in a lot
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of ways, I think that the older fan base of Star Wars, we're
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all at that age where, if we're not parents directly, we have younger
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people in our lives that we interact with that we we're mentoring or we're you
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know, trying to get them going on their own path and everything, And
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there's this sort of meta read where we can project ourselves onto the Batch as
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parents or parental figures or mentors. But then at the same time there's a
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sense to me of Omega as the fans themselves and the Bats sort of representing
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and stay with me. I know this sounds crazy, but this season,
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especially when taken in total of all three of the Bad Batch seasons, feels
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like this this love letter to our own childhoods in the sense that we had
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as one of the big influences in our lives through pop culture and everything was
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not just Star Wars but the Clone Wars, and so there's this sense of
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almost like giving us a pat on the back and saying, hey, we
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tried our best to do what you expected of us, to show you something
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to think about, something to care about something, to help bring out something
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in you that's special and show you what's great about human connection and love and
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empathy. And I know, maybe it's too deep. I don't know.
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I mean, And at the same thing, there's always that school of thought
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where it's like the artist doesn't even necessarily need to make the specific intent be
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that, but you can still get to a place with that. And it's
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I just I see this season very much in more of that meta sense of
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especially with the way it ends. It's like, Hey, we had a
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great time, didn't we, But you know this chapter is over now,
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Like this really is the coda to the Clone Wars. And I don't mean
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just the show, I mean the entire era of Star Wars. It's like,
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okay, kid, we got there. Now we've got to go on
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and find some new territory and do some different stuff. We've had a great
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time. Yeah, I don't think that's too deep at all. In fact,
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I think that in many ways you're one hundred percent right, because you
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know, the whole thrust of this show not only being about dads, but
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it was just about the Clones themselves, the characters that everybody fell in love
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with, and didn't expect to. You know, I don't think anybody came
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into the Clone Wars series thinking that clones might be some of their favorite characters,
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you know, whether it was Rex or Wolf or you know Hunter or
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you know Wrecker, all these characters, right, all of these clones that
31:38
we meet throughout the series. And the fact that you know Cody, you
31:45
know, we never really got to know Cody until the Clone Wars because he
31:48
was barely in episode three, right, And so I think you're right in
31:53
many ways, this helps us put to rest a lot of that time period.
32:00
And you know, it's obvious that they could revisit it as they and
32:05
we'll talk about soon Tales of the Empire where we see some stories that have
32:10
pieces of that but or you know, they did it and tells the Jedi
32:15
too. So I think your read is actually spot on in that way.
32:21
And I think that that's one of the things that makes you know, as
32:25
we'll talk about later, that the code of work. And so I did
32:30
want to ask you because one of the fun parts about this series is the
32:34
way that we return to things. You know, we not only return to
32:37
things from the first and second seasons of the series, but we do from
32:45
the Clone Wars, right, you know, and we have characters too as
32:49
well. So you know, we go back to Barton four where Crosshair made
32:53
that decision to shoot the Imperial officer to make the switch, where he's finally
33:00
been broken enough to realize the Empire is not the way to go. You
33:05
know, we returned to Tef. That's one of Rex's bases, we see.
33:09
I was so happy to see Tef again, right, I mean yes,
33:15
And you know, we we get characters back, like you know,
33:20
Fennick Shan comes back. We have Cad Baine come back, you know.
33:23
So I think one of the things that I really loved about this this season,
33:28
and I think I just love about the Bad Batch series as a whole,
33:32
is they just weren't afraid to utilize all of the material that has been
33:39
there throughout the Clone Wars and too when it's it's the right thing to do
33:47
to use it, Like I mean, going back to Barton four and having
33:52
Crosshair be at the place where he made the turn and that be the place
33:54
where he earns back his his crew's trust was huge, you know. I
34:01
mean, also we also we got you know, Star Wars space Worms,
34:07
so you know who knew that ice worms were the thing, not not sandworms,
34:12
ice worms. Hey, all things, all things work, you know,
34:19
yeah, again the going back to and you and I hit on this
34:23
plenty, I think in all of our discussions over time. You know,
34:28
when you look at it as a total but you're right, this is a
34:32
saga. This is a big saga. And you know that you're in good
34:39
hands when the people telling the stories don't feel the compulsion to say, oh,
34:45
well, we've already done that, so we're gonna walk away. It's
34:49
like, no, you're here in the toy box. Use some of these
34:52
toys. You'll add toys, you'll get new toys. But it's okay.
34:58
You don't throw out all of your old toys when you get a new toy.
35:01
If we did, I wouldn't have half the things on my bookshelf right
35:04
now, right But like you know, you know it is. It is
35:08
one of those things though, where it's like you know, and honestly to
35:13
keep to keep the metaphor going, like some of those old toys are some
35:16
of your favorite toys. It doesn't matter how new and shiny the thing is,
35:20
exactly and so even if the even if the newer toy that comes in
35:23
the toy box isn't your favorite, You're like, yeah, but if I
35:27
pair them up with Boba Fete, it works better, and that's okay.
35:30
And it's a way to start accepting that new stuff into the boxes, you
35:35
know, to get it to mix with the things that you already loved well.
35:39
And I you know, we've talked about this on aggressive negotiations in some
35:45
ways add nauseum. But the way in which you know, by doing these
35:50
things, by returning to these places, by having these characters show back up,
35:52
you know, what the animated series are becoming to Star Wars is the
35:59
thing that helps bind the saga together and make it more cohesive. I mean,
36:07
we talked at length here about Project Necromancer, right, and that's a
36:13
huge part obviously of the you know, part nine of the saga. It's
36:22
not a thing we all loved, right, And yet what they're doing through
36:25
these animated series, by bringing up these stories and making it feel more cohesive,
36:32
is ameliorating some of those frustrations that we've had with specifically the sequel trilogy,
36:39
right. But it's making also what's happening in these shows incredibly interesting too.
36:45
You know, it's not just about trying to get things to connect.
36:50
You know. It's done in a way to which I almost don't even care
36:54
if it connects. It does, it's brilliant, it's wonderful. But what
36:58
it's doing for the story here is I think what makes things so special.
37:00
And so when we get to go back to a place like Barton four,
37:05
we get to go back to Teth, you know, we have these characters
37:08
come back and where like you said, we're playing in the toy box.
37:14
You know, in some ways I remember our first It's episode with Nick Anastasio
37:20
and I believe the episode in the six oh two Club is called boys playing
37:23
with Toys And that's kind of what these animated shows and you are alluding to
37:30
feel like, right, it is creators just playing with the toy box of
37:36
Star Wars in a way that feels authentic to the series. So it fits,
37:43
and that's what we love about this stuff. That is what we love
37:46
about this stuff, and it I think it also just it just makes it
37:52
makes it work so much better as well. When when characters, when you
37:58
have a Rex come in in a way it's almost like you know, when
38:05
you're learning your way around a town or something. You get these reference points,
38:08
and it's nice to have the reference points. It's nice to have Rex.
38:13
It's nice even even though it seemed to be a little bit controversial to
38:17
have Ventest show up, because Okay, she looks different and her sabers different.
38:25
So if I didn't read Dark Disciple, this is just oh Venturess made
38:30
it through. If I did read Dark Disciple, I'm saying to everybody,
38:35
now hold on a minute here, that's weird. I need a little more.
38:39
But it's still a touch base. It's like, Okay, this is
38:44
in relation to this character being being here, and even within the series,
38:51
having Rampart come back that was such an unexpected treat for me. I never
38:57
expected to see Rampart again and to have him come back and have him be
39:01
this still a jackass while being a little bit of comic relief, necessary comic
39:10
relief in a very heavy arc. I really liked it. Like I actually
39:15
laughed out loud with him when they were talking about, you know, ditching
39:22
him or whatever, and you just hear him from all screen, go,
39:24
I can hear you, Like there's just yes. That's one of those great
39:31
moments where it's like, oh, that's just so organic that feels right,
39:37
and I never expected to see him again and I was happy to see him
39:42
again, and it's like, but it's it's it's just one of those things
39:49
where with Ventures, I'm curious to you because I saw her appearance serving a
40:00
very massively important role in the season without even saying it outright, but her
40:07
appearance re explains how the just go ahead and call him super Clone shows up
40:17
in another badass ship design is able to sneak in Venturous establishes how it's possible
40:24
to sneak on to Paboo that anybody knowing, and I don't draw attention to
40:29
it. And then but we know when we see the other you know,
40:32
when we see the threat show up, it was like, oh, oh
40:36
right, nobody knows about that place. Oh okay. You know you'd think
40:42
maybe you'd have boarded it up after Ventures showed up, but hey, that's
40:46
just me. Yeah, you know, I think the beauty of this was,
40:53
especially with Venturess returning, what I really appreciate is that they did come
41:01
out and say, we are not here to contradict what was done in Dark
41:08
Disciple. Specifically, you know the way that they have with other books,
41:12
like you know, they have contradicted the Ahsoka book and some other things.
41:16
You know, they've also contradicted the Canaan comics that had come out, things
41:22
like that. But they specifically said, we plan somewhere else to tell the
41:30
story. It's going to come. You just need to be patient. But
41:34
for here, this was not the place to do that, right, and
41:38
so we And that's I think where in some ways Star Wars is therefore then
41:45
taking a page from the comics of this character shows up in this comic,
41:52
but the way and why they're showing up in the sense of like I thought
41:55
they were there and you know that's not that storytell you know, and so
42:01
understanding what story you're trying to tell and not getting caught in, oh,
42:06
we've got to explain everything is we kind of talked about earlier. Sometimes it's
42:09
better not to and but I appreciate that they just kind of head on said,
42:15
hey, we know all the fans, we know you're freaking out,
42:19
and look, we know how she returned and why and how all that goes
42:25
down. This just wasn't the place to tell that story, but it was
42:30
the place to utilize her here, which again, when you think back to
42:36
who she was in the Clone Wars, right, she had become kind of
42:42
this ronan and I think that's fascinating that in some ways she's still kind of
42:50
playing that role after what happened in Dark Disciple, which is incredibly interesting,
42:55
and I do think makes for a place where I mean, I don't know
43:01
about you, but I find myself on the edge of my seat proverbially waiting
43:07
for the story of what happened, and you know how she is able to
43:12
survive. Yes, And as a final note on Ventures, I will say
43:19
that it shows again the wisdom of the people who created this series, because
43:27
the lazy choice would be obi Wan showing up to give an explanation, or
43:34
somehow somebody knows Yoda or Ahsoka showing up. Any of those are expected at
43:40
this point. Venturess showing up brings Ventures back in shows the way that basically
43:50
opens up that there's still all of these Force users out there, it's just
43:57
not as many, it's not as welcome, and they go to ground because
44:00
they know that the Emperor will either capture and kill or torture and pervert them.
44:09
And so that's why they're very difficult to find and why it seems like
44:14
they're extinct, is because they know the minute they stick their toe out their
44:17
toast. But having Ventures show up really does open up the universe in the
44:24
sense that it says definitively there's more than just a few Jedi that made it
44:30
past. They're out there and she's one of them. And so you know,
44:36
the storytelling possibilities from that are actually magnified. Yeah. Well, and
44:42
the beauty of that too, you know, we just and we'll talk about
44:46
it very soon here Tales of the Empire with the idea of the Inquisitors.
44:52
That's why they were needed, right, is there were enough the Jedi that
44:57
survive, and that's their job is to help Vader hunt down these Jedi.
45:02
And so, you know, again, having Ventures return was great. I
45:07
think two, there was a genius of having Rampart return because he was such
45:14
a major part of those first two seasons and so you know, to have
45:21
him come back and be the character who you know, thinks he can utilize
45:24
this for his benefit and be the person who in some ways represents the character
45:31
who is completely unable to change, right, he has every opportunity to be
45:37
able to change. In fact, Crossair keeps telling him he should because the
45:40
Empire doesn't care about him. You know, they'll kill him at a moment's
45:45
notice, and so he will never truly be free if he's trying to get
45:52
his way back into the good graces of the Empire, and yet he's just
45:54
a character who just can't accept it, and so having him return like interest,
46:00
I just thought was in some ways almost like the Chef's Kiss of the
46:06
season, where we're really doing things that just once you see it, you're
46:09
like, oh, that makes so much sense. And I wouldn't have wanted
46:13
it to be any other way. And one thing though, I do have
46:16
to ask you John moment of silence MM for the Marauder. Not fair,
46:25
not not fair. It's not not fair. Don't don't do this to me,
46:32
man, this is not cool. Okay, it's not. I was
46:37
like, are you kidding me? We did it to the Razorcrest, and
46:40
now we're doing it to the Marauder. This hurt worse than Razorcrest. Razorcrest
46:45
was just a nifty looking ship that I liked because it was tied to the
46:47
Mandalorian this. I truly love the Marauders design, the fact that it looked
46:53
like a Camono and saber Dart. The fact that it was our John I
47:00
never thought of that. I wish I could take sole credit. I think
47:05
somebody else pointed it out to me, and I saw it and I was
47:07
like, oh, my gosh, you're right. But the simple fact that
47:12
I truly loved that ship and that ship design and everything, and they took
47:19
it from me, Matty, they took her from me. In all honesty,
47:24
it was like, uh, it was it was as if I'm not
47:29
gonna go crazy and be like, oh, they blew up the Millennium Falcon,
47:30
because that that would be that I'm rioting in the streets for weeks after
47:36
that happened, exactly. But this would have been like watching uh you know,
47:43
honestly, it's like watching like Luke's X Wing get blown apart or something
47:47
like that, where it's like, what you can't do? No, Seriously,
48:00
we're watching the episodes together as we're watching through the season, and when
48:07
they blew up the Marauder, there was an audible gasp and something along the
48:13
lines of oh no, no, not the Marauder, Like that was my
48:20
reaction, and you know it, what's you know, I think what's really
48:25
actually kind of beautiful about it is the way in which you know they weren't
48:32
going to kill and they've talked about that. I've seen the the some interviews
48:38
with the with the showrunner and everything here for the Bad Batch and them talking
48:44
about the you know they weren't going to kill another character. But I think
48:47
that the beauty of these ships, especially a ship like the Marauder, you
48:53
can lose that ship and it really does create the feeling that you need to
49:04
have of losing a crew member and the stakes right and you know, again,
49:14
I give them full credit for you know, being willing to do that.
49:17
And in some ways too, it almost makes sense because where these characters
49:22
are going to go by the end of the season is they're going to choose
49:30
to let go of this life, and losing the Marauder is a way and
49:36
it's a stepping stone to that because what matters at this point is Omega And
49:43
so you know, I just love that. God we got to talk about
49:46
the finale, man, because I mean, we get Zillowbeast Action, we
49:52
get a bunch of c X clones, zombie clones going after are our normy
49:59
clone and the Bad Batch. Uh, you know, we get Hemlock dying
50:04
not less, say, protecting the Caminoan legacy by destroying research, we get
50:08
money going to Project Stardust. I mean, this finale is jam packed full
50:16
of goodness all the way down to and I almost feel like, you know,
50:21
working backwards, but all the way down to the fact that when Tarkan
50:24
shows up, it's two venitors and then like a straight on star destroyer,
50:30
just showing that little another little nudge that the fleet's changing a little more again
50:37
because he got the best, you know, like he's fresh off the line
50:40
man, fresh off the line, but it's got that new ship smell.
50:45
Yeah. But the fact that they show up, there's all of this devastation.
50:55
There's a zilobeest loose. Now there's basically the Zillobees turns this planet into
51:02
fine world. What are you going to do? Somebody's gonna be flying along
51:07
some day and they're like, oh, look, this is a nice little
51:09
planet. Let me said to oh dear, oh my gosh, what is
51:13
that thing? Right? But there is I think this beauty to everything as
51:20
well, because we know that Hemlock even admits that the Camanoans knew the secret.
51:28
The Camanoans in a large sense are like the Darth Plagis of science in
51:32
this and Hemlock is the Palpatine. Where they're chasing after this thing that the
51:42
true master of the art figured out, and they're chasing it and they're greedy
51:47
for it, and they're taking shortcuts and they're not patient enough. And much
51:55
like Leagas dying before or all of the secrets got to Palpatine, now,
52:04
let's say makes sure that basically, if she's gonna go out, everything's going
52:10
with her. And this is the end of any of your hopes of pull
52:17
off Project Necromancer any time between now and five years from now. Right,
52:22
it builds in again the idea of why does it take so long for Palpatine
52:30
even to get close to cloning himself? Well, guess what that's why?
52:36
Because it goes up here and Tarken, as much as we love him as
52:40
a villain, we come back to this whole idea of he's also a self
52:45
serving bureaucrat. Oh, look at all of this destruction. There's a zillobeast
52:51
out all right, decommission the place and send all of his funding to my
52:54
project. And it's like, ah, like there's not even a curiosity there's
53:01
no desire to carry the work on. There's nothing, And in a sense
53:06
that's like again it shows where Palpatine's miscalculation with these people that he uses against
53:12
each other screws him up again. He needed another Hemlock to be like,
53:17
no, no, no, no no, we have to continue the work.
53:20
We will pick up where we left off. We have some backed up
53:22
data records and I know what I was thinking and all of those sorts of
53:24
things. Hemlock's death and the loss of the research is a massive death blow,
53:32
and I was glad to see it. But the like I loved the
53:38
minute that Omega was trying to find out how to sneak out of the place
53:43
and she saw the zilobast. My reaction was like, oh, oh you're
53:46
going to aren't you? Okay, all right, I'm here for this,
53:51
like I was, so I was like, I know what's coming next.
53:53
There's no way you show me a zilobast and you don't checkof' zilobeast. There
53:59
you go. Well, no, I could could not agree with you more.
54:02
I think I think the beauty of the way in which this whole season
54:12
really shows off the hubris of the Empire already, and the cracks that are
54:17
forming, like you said, the fact that Tarkian is a self serving bureaucrat.
54:28
You know, that's the thing about Hemlock is a villain right in him
54:32
being destroyed here. He's one of the few people, I think who truly
54:40
bought in in some ways to what Palpatine wanted to do in a way that
54:45
Palpatine needed desperately. And he doesn't have that beyond here, you know,
54:51
and we don't know where the connection to you know, the strange Seth planet
55:00
in episode nine comes in and how all that works, you know, yeah,
55:06
exagal and so, but it also makes sense as to why, like
55:14
you said, all of this ends up taking too long, because somebody like
55:16
Tarkan could care less, Like he just cares about raw power. He's not
55:21
into the old religion, you know, he doesn't have that old time religion,
55:29
right and so because he could care less, And so I love that
55:34
and I think too, you know. The finale has Emery finally making the
55:38
choice, you know, and helping to save the children and taking them away,
55:43
and then her desire then to help Echo with the clones, you know,
55:49
as they try to save as many as they can which, Gosh,
55:52
I want that story, you know, I think that would make an incredible
55:54
story to see her go on and do that, and you know, all
55:59
of the Again, I think the beauty of watching Nallis say, who truly
56:07
was seemed to be a scientist of the highest caliber, who had incredible knowledge
56:17
right and realized that her knowledge could destroy the galaxy, and then was willing
56:25
to not pursue that knowledge but try and keep it from doing that was awesome,
56:31
you know. I mean again, I think there's a lot of kind
56:35
of Jurassic Park in there, you know, that type of understanding of,
56:38
you know, what we can do with science. Sometimes it's not worth creating.
56:43
Sometimes it's not worth doing because the the what it can do could lead
56:47
to ultimate destruction, you know. And so I love that. Uh And
56:52
then I'm dude. The epilogue just so epically perfect to me. To have
57:05
had these space dads raise their daughter in safety so that she then has the
57:14
ability to make her own choices. She has the freedom to make her own
57:19
choices, and then allow their daughter to make that choice was just so beautiful.
57:25
I could not have been happier with the way that the epilogue worked in
57:32
this episode. Tremendous. It's the only word. That's the smallest word I
57:39
could give to that epilogue, because it was the whole point. That was
57:45
the whole point, and just seeing Hunter and I'm glad the choice was to
57:52
have it just be Hunter there because he's you know, he's the chief dad
57:58
basically, but to have him, you know, to have him be there
58:05
and convey it to her, and it's you know, I'm I'm of an
58:08
age, I'm of a stage where soon I'll be facing that same sort of
58:15
moment I am. I'm not so big as to deny that that was a
58:22
pretty that was a pretty emotional, emotionally resonant scene, because I know it's
58:29
coming, and it's like the idea that after everything they did, she's going
58:37
to go run off and join the rebellion to be a pilot and the risk
58:42
that's inherent in that, and they have no choice but to say, okay,
58:47
right, she can't stay there forever. And I'll go ahead and say
58:52
it's interesting because Uncle Owen does everything he can top Luke on Tatoine, and
59:02
these dads say, hey, you know, we can't live life for you
59:09
anymore. You have to live life for yourself and we we did everything we
59:15
could to make you ready for it. Like that's that's a heavy thing,
59:19
man, That's a big, big moment. And it frustrates me that the
59:29
only place in Star Wars right now, right now, at this moment,
59:36
where I'm getting those types of moments, truly getting them, is in animation.
59:43
And that's not to take anything away from the emotionally resonant moments in Ahsoka
59:46
Ahsoka. Ahsoka gets there at a couple of points, but this one,
59:52
this one was like a just an absolute gut punch, because again, I
59:57
think it even ties back into that larger like meta read of the series where
1:00:00
it's like it's you know what it is, I'm gonna pay this the highest
1:00:06
compliment I can. This is this cave discussion was the equivalent of Hawkeye at
1:00:15
the end of mash going up after he's he's given bj honeycut a whole time
1:00:23
of saying why can't you say goodbye? Right and the helicopter pulls away.
1:00:29
You see that his friend of all of these years wrote out goodbye in the
1:00:34
stones on the you know, on the helicopter pad. That was that was
1:00:42
this and this was that where it was like it was that that moment where
1:00:45
you suddenly realize, oh my gosh, yeah, goodbye, you know,
1:00:52
and it's like I gotta let you go now. Oh so heavy man.
1:00:57
No. I think that's an incredible pull. And I love that you two
1:01:02
with these two characters. You let Dee Bradley Baker and you let Michelle Onng
1:01:08
play this older version of the characters and to really give them, in some
1:01:16
ways that kind of resolution, right that you know that they've been safe for
1:01:22
so long, you know that they've been happy for so long. You know
1:01:25
that in the beauty of this too, we don't answer the question, right,
1:01:30
we don't know when she goes to join the rebellion, which is great.
1:01:36
We don't know what the time period is. You know, it could
1:01:40
be kind of anywhere. It could be during rebels, it could be during
1:01:46
some point of and or it could be some time after episode four or five.
1:01:55
I mean, who knows, right, that's the beauty And so they
1:02:00
can use this character then wherever they want because they didn't put a time period
1:02:07
on it. They didn't put a time stamp that they're stuck with, and
1:02:13
so I think that that's incredibly smart of them. But beyond all that.
1:02:20
What it does is it just makes this so moving for these two characters.
1:02:25
And you know, I loved it and I was very very joked up about
1:02:31
it as we watched this episode. In this finale, my wife and I
1:02:37
and so John, there's one last thing I feel like we have to talk
1:02:42
about, and that's because I think that Kevin Kiner and his family who have
1:02:50
been working on these soundtracks, now it's not just him anymore, but it's
1:02:53
also members of his family. Good Ness, are they knocking out out of
1:03:00
the park in this series. Yes, they are. They're absolutely killing it.
1:03:06
And what I also love most is that the Kiners exist in the space
1:03:15
that John Williams did, especially with the original trilogy, where if you knew
1:03:21
the music that was being referenced, everybody knows Mars the Bringer of War or
1:03:27
you know, like there's a lot of holsts the planets in the nineteen seventy
1:03:30
seven original if you listen for it, and you can hear certain Marshall ques
1:03:35
in the Imperial March that you've heard you know here or there. But like,
1:03:39
this is the same sort of thing where whatever temp tracks they were using,
1:03:45
the Kiners find a way to nail it without being repetitive or ripping off,
1:03:52
but get that same vibe where I'm like, you know, this sounds
1:03:55
like something I would have heard from Hans Zimmer, or this sounds like something
1:04:00
I would have heard from James Horner, or this sounds like something I would
1:04:03
have heard in Indiana Jones movies. You know, like it's good for sounds
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like that. I'm actually paying a huge compliment here because I don't look at
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it and say, oh, you just stole that from I look at it
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and I say, I know exactly what you're trying to tell me emotionally right
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now, and that's exactly the right spot for that music to exist while at
1:04:27
the same time creating its own identity so that I have themes within that framework
1:04:33
that work perfectly well. I'm huge, huge fan of their work. I
1:04:39
suspect, of course you are too. Was there any episode that like really
1:04:44
jumped out at you as like the best music episode? Wow? That that's
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a really good question. I think honestly, one of the episodes that really
1:04:59
jumped out was the very first episodes of the season, you know, just
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the hauntingness of that as we kind of follow Omega's new routine and her being
1:05:09
there for so long. I enjoyed the episode where we're back on Teth and
1:05:16
the references to the Clone Wars film, and I really liked the episode.
1:05:24
I think the one that really I love the most, maybe was was the
1:05:28
venturous episode and the cues that we got in that I thought they were gorgeous.
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But I've enjoyed listening to the sound and one the soundtracks they're releasing are
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like, I think there's over two more hours worth of music between the two
1:05:45
albums. It's incredible. Oh wait, excuse me, I misspoke. There's
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over four hours and twenty seven minutes of music beyond with the two albums combined,
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and so just wonderful. I mean, you know, Kinder in his
1:06:00
family truly seemed to understand Star Wars and they're doing it a great job.
1:06:05
They did the same thing with the Ahsoka series and this is just beautiful.
1:06:11
So all in all, you know, I I I I couldn't say enough
1:06:16
about what they're doing. But John, I think I know the answer to
1:06:20
this. But if you did have to rate the season three of The Bad
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Batch, the final season, what would you rate this series? Solid five?
1:06:33
I mean, well, I don't even have thought. Yeah, I
1:06:36
don't care too. I mean, come on, guys, it's it's so
1:06:42
good simply sticking the landing like this. That that last six episode stretch,
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yes, and of itself, that's that's like, which we didn't I did
1:06:54
not even mention. But one of the things I loved about that is it
1:06:57
felt so reminiscent of the end of D Space nine. We're every single episode,
1:07:00
those last six episodes, they just connect. Yeah. It was like
1:07:05
once you hit, once you hit like Siege of ar five five three right
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or was it five ft three five? Yeah, it's five five to one,
1:07:13
I think anyway, Yeah, I know, well, anyway, that
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episode, once you hit that episode, like you you had locked in and
1:07:19
they were like, okay, guys, this is it, and yeah,
1:07:23
say same vibe here where it's like, I mean, but that's that's also
1:07:27
you know, Honestly, as much as I would have wanted even more seasons
1:07:30
of the Bad Batch, I think that look at what happened as well with
1:07:34
the fourth season of Rebels. Once a creative team knows they've got just this
1:07:41
amount of time left, I think it really, though it may be painful,
1:07:48
really, the great creators step forward and say, okay, challenge accepted.
1:07:55
We're going to do this and we're going to do it our way,
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and they did it their way, and why did they do it? So
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yeah, sorry to ramble, but yes, Fire Stars, No you're not
1:08:03
rambling at all. I think they just did such a great job with with
1:08:10
that finale and it and that finale, like you said, really is those
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six episodes all together? In many ways, I would almost love to see
1:08:17
a master cut of that, whether it's all put together and I can just
1:08:21
watch it all without having any breaks, you know, because I think it
1:08:26
would be so much fun to be able to do that when they release the
1:08:30
four K discs. Maybe they could do that for us. Well, you
1:08:36
know, I do hope, and this is something you know, we should.
1:08:41
They've been doing the series now, you know, we've got the Mandalorian
1:08:44
season one to two, We've got and or Out season one, We've got
1:08:46
Kenobi coming out. Excuse me, it is now now they we we should
1:08:53
get the entire series, the Bad Batch in a box set. We should
1:08:57
be getting. They need to do I think a full release of the Clone
1:09:00
Wars and if there's any way to put those in four K, please do
1:09:04
that as well. You know, I have the seasons, but I will
1:09:09
buy them again, and you know, I think I guess. Okay,
1:09:15
one last question, if that's okay, please, where do we go next
1:09:19
with Star Wars Animation? Obviously, I know we had Tales of the Empire.
1:09:21
We're going to talk about that here soon. But I if you are
1:09:28
in charge of Disney Star Wars, Disney Animation, Luke's Film animation, what
1:09:34
are you doing. I'm finding Omega during the original trilogy in the Rebellion.
1:09:42
I've said, there are other show ideas I've had where I'm like, oh,
1:09:45
I'd love to go off with Ventris or I'd love to find out about
1:09:47
the Clone Rebellion and actually stay with them. I'm totally down with that too.
1:09:53
But if some if I were in exec and somebody came in and they
1:09:57
said, we're gonna pick up Omega and it's gonna be totally different cast of
1:10:01
characters aside from her, and she says she's going to go up to be
1:10:05
a pilot for the Rebellion, I want to go put her sometime around Return
1:10:13
of the Jedi. Honestly, I would tie it in that way. I
1:10:17
want to go in. I want to find Omega sometime around the return of
1:10:19
the Jedi and the ending of the series. Then it could it could either
1:10:27
be right after the final Battle of Endor and her going around and helping sort
1:10:33
of like almost an Alpha Squadron sort of vibe, or have her going and
1:10:42
you know, just being the fleet they meet up at Sullist, right,
1:10:45
we get the story of what was going on while everybody was in Hawth and
1:10:48
scattered at Bestment and stuff like that. What about you? Oh my goodness,
1:10:55
I think your idea is phenomenal. Oh thank you just saying that.
1:11:00
Like I had thought about this idea of like following Omega, but the idea
1:11:03
of kind of putting her in that time period I think is really interesting,
1:11:09
especially because of the way I think that that could help you lead into the
1:11:16
post return of the Jedi era, which you know, Mandalarian doesn't pick up
1:11:20
till six years later, and it almost feels as though that show could could
1:11:28
bridge the gaps right between Empire and then you know, through episode six and
1:11:36
you know into then that that new era. So I love it. I
1:11:41
think it would be really really cool to see that, and you could add
1:11:44
a lot of different characters there. Uh, you know, whether it's a
1:11:47
Hera and characters like that and stuff. So if so much that you could
1:11:53
do there, So I think that's great. I love it. Well,
1:11:57
John, it's it's always fun getting to talk to Star Wars. In fact,
1:12:01
Spialer alert, we're going to be doing it next week too, so
1:12:05
yes we are. Yes, there's gonna be more Star Wars talk coming your
1:12:11
way. But if people want to catch up with you and see what else
1:12:15
you've got going on beyond Star Wars talk, as if there is anything else
1:12:18
we're not much, well, you can find me as Kessel Junkie on your
1:12:21
social network of choice, but you can also find me being a little scamp
1:12:26
over on the nerd Party Network or here on the Nerd Party Network because this
1:12:29
is a crossover episode, so on the Nerd Party Network while I'm talking about
1:12:30
this too, spells on TFM. So aside from the great time that I
1:12:36
have coming on and being in the six o two club and causing mayhem here
1:12:42
on TFM, regularly on the Nerd Party Network, co hosting two shows,
1:12:46
one of them called House Lights and one of them called Aggressive Negotiations, a
1:12:50
Star Wars podcast, which, of course, like you said, I co
1:12:55
host with you, mister Matthew Rushing. I love that we're in the place
1:12:58
where aggressive negotiations began in the six to oh two club, and it just
1:13:01
feels right to be here and having us cross over. We're going to do
1:13:04
it again very soon for you all. As we mentioned, of course,
1:13:08
you can find me all over social media under the name matt Rushings there two.
1:13:11
I'm on the inter Party Network with a completed show called owl Post talking
1:13:15
about every single chapter the Harry Potter series, and on the TFM network as
1:13:18
well, you can find me doing a bunch of different shows about Star Trek
1:13:24
series such as Enterprise or Strange New Worlds, per Card and Deep Space nine.
1:13:31
But as always, you know, thank you so much for joining us,
1:13:35
and John. I think it's time to head back to the Temple because
1:13:39
they've got a special on Blue Milk tonight with those with with that admiralle Acbar
1:13:46
serial with real seed food bits. So let's go, you know what,
1:13:50
Matt, I think it's time to close these negotiations and maybe have some boba
1:13:57
fat tea here at the six two c