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Chuck & Buck 11-5 Hour 3: Cam Cleeland, the addition of Shaheed and the cost of Skubal. · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: You're home for Husky football.
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Speaker 2: Probably presents our weekly visit with a voice of the Dogs,
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Speaker 2: Cam Cleveland. Oh yeah, let's go right to you by
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Speaker 2: Warrior Injury Log, battle Tested. Now here's Chucking Bug with
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Speaker 2: a former Husky tie down on Sports Radio ninety three
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Speaker 2: point three kJ run all.
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Speaker 3: Right, eight a'clock hour here on this glorious hump day,
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Speaker 3: Chuck Powell, Ashley Ryan with you know, Bucky Jacobson today
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Speaker 3: feels like he's missing a lot of Cam Cleveland conversations
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Speaker 3: here as of late.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, ginger on Ginger crying right there.
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Speaker 3: I wonder what's going on there, Wonder if the two
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Speaker 3: of them have had words behind the scenes. Probably, yeah, probably,
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Speaker 3: Uh there, Jacobson tough to get along with. Cam Cleveland
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Speaker 3: joins us right here as he does every Wednesday, to
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Speaker 3: talk some Huskies football.
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Speaker 5: Come morning, sir, Chucky, how are you man?
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Speaker 6: He's just by yourself today, by yourself, Ashley and I just.
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Speaker 5: You know, I know the world.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, she's always there, the most consistent, most reliable.
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Speaker 1: I am alone in the studio. I am that.
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Speaker 3: We don't replace Bucky with just like a passerby just
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Speaker 3: to sit.
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Speaker 5: In here and yeah, it's too hard.
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Speaker 6: I heard there are some tree issues, and you know
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Speaker 6: that sounds a little the man needs to you know,
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Speaker 6: you got to take care of that stuff. You got
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Speaker 6: to limb that stuff up and be careful those trees, man,
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Speaker 6: they get pretty dangerous.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Why wouldn't he just hold it up all night long?
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Speaker 1: If he was worried it was you would think so.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he looks like a lumberjack. You think
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Speaker 6: you'd be able to figure it out.
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Speaker 3: Well, he didn't put in the effort right exactly. He
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Speaker 3: didn't even try its way when it was falling. All right, Well,
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Speaker 3: let's talk some Huskies football here. I mean, are you
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Speaker 3: refreshed from the bye week? Do you feel the team
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Speaker 3: is refreshed from the bye week?
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Speaker 6: That's a great question. I'm very refreshed from the bye week.
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Speaker 6: I think we should have ten by weeks and no, no,
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Speaker 6: I'm kidding. I like a second week late in November.
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Speaker 6: I think it's it's that recharge button or reset and
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Speaker 6: now you've got to make a run. You look at
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Speaker 6: the schedule. You got to go to Madison, which I've
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Speaker 6: never been there. I'm looking forward to going there. It's
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Speaker 6: you hear a lot about what that atmosphere is going
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Speaker 6: to be like. Yeah, and a team that's certainly is
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Speaker 6: reeling Wisconsin. The word is they might even start a
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Speaker 6: true freshman Caleb Smith or time starry Carter Smith because
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Speaker 6: they've had so many quarterback issues. Their offensive line has
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Speaker 6: had seven different starting lineups this season. They've struggled, But
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Speaker 6: that still doesn't mean that if you go on the road,
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Speaker 6: it doesn't matter in the Big Ten and not playing
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Speaker 6: in an interesting environment and a fun environment. Supposedly there's
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Speaker 6: something they do called to jump around there.
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Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys have seen that.
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Speaker 6: I go around supposed to be fund I just want
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Speaker 6: to go to Madison.
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Speaker 5: Win a football Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 6: I want to go to Madison and win a football
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Speaker 6: game and come back and make a run here to
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Speaker 6: the end of the season. And yeah, now with the
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Speaker 6: college football playoff rankings out, yeah, it feels very interesting
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Speaker 6: how things could align.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, We've talked about this a little bit earlier in
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Speaker 3: the week, but here they sit at number twenty three.
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Speaker 3: They do look like they have three winnable games. You
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Speaker 3: still got to play them and then all of a
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Speaker 3: sudden you got a chance to really, you know, make
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Speaker 3: your case by beating Oregon, which the committee clearly wasn't
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Speaker 3: all that impressed with with their resumes of this point
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Speaker 3: in the season, nor should they be impressed with their
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Speaker 3: resume to this point in the season. So do you
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Speaker 3: think maybe the stars are aligning where the Washington Huskies
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Speaker 3: could be playing their best football and the twelfth game
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Speaker 3: of the season face Oregon with a shot at the
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Speaker 3: playoffs and have an opportunity to pull the upset and
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Speaker 3: actually get into the postseason this year.
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Speaker 5: I mean, there is the path.
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Speaker 6: We've heard that term before, right there is a path
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Speaker 6: or even Oregon's best win it right now arguably is Northwestern.
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Speaker 6: That sounds about right for them, But they have to
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Speaker 6: play Iowa at twelve o'clock start.
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Speaker 5: Nine am their time.
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Speaker 6: That will be the game that will really set them apart.
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Speaker 6: But Washington, and we look at this, how this sets up,
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Speaker 6: and I see some of these elimination.
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Speaker 5: Games as we get towards the end of the season.
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Speaker 6: The player in me, even though I'm old and I'm
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Speaker 6: not a player anymore, has the one game at a
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Speaker 6: time mentality more than ever, because you can't slip up
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Speaker 6: on any of these games. You cannot lose your focus
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Speaker 6: and take for granted any one of these teams knowing
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Speaker 6: that you're going to have UCLA Perdue, who are obviously
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Speaker 6: aren't the top of the Big ten, but all they
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Speaker 6: want to do is embarrass you and give you a loss.
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Speaker 6: So at this point, going to Wisconsin is all that matters,
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Speaker 6: and we can and week out and if you get
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Speaker 6: to the end of the season, this is a giant
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Speaker 6: if and you're nine and two in Oregon's ten and
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Speaker 6: one riddled me, this is that not a play in game? Yeah,
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Speaker 6: I mean it feels like it is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, for sure.
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Speaker 3: Cam Cleyland is with us right here on checking back
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Speaker 3: in the morning talking some Husky football. What else stood
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Speaker 3: out to you about the college football rankings?
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Speaker 1: If anything last night?
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Speaker 6: I mean, I have my have my tidbits of it.
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Speaker 6: I think that I think listening to a few prognosticators
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Speaker 6: try to argue analytics and use analytics as their theory,
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Speaker 6: and then one thought that there might have been eye
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Speaker 6: test isn't worth it in the argument for Texas A
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Speaker 6: and M Who's okay? I mean there's a lot of
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Speaker 6: guessing and a lot of understanding. It's the first one out,
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Speaker 6: so everyone's going to label what they think is the
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Speaker 6: biggest metric, and to try to knock off Ohio State
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Speaker 6: and say that they are undeserved is lunacy, complete lunacy,
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Speaker 6: and Booger MacFarlane is a lunatic.
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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna call it what it is. He's the
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Speaker 5: one that said that.
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Speaker 6: He's the one that said back in the day, Washington
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Speaker 6: was playing basketball on grass after we beat the crap
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Speaker 6: by of Texas two years in a row.
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Speaker 5: So let's just let's let's just really.
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Speaker 6: Let college football evolve for about another two weeks and
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Speaker 6: things start to settle in. But I didn't mind any
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Speaker 6: of the rankings. I like how we don't play a
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Speaker 6: game and get ranked. So I guess the secret was
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Speaker 6: have a bye week and things get moved up.
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Speaker 3: Well, the thing Washington has going for them, they don't
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Speaker 3: have a bad loss this year, and now they've got
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Speaker 3: a nice win home over Illinois and rather convincing one
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Speaker 3: as well. But you still got to add to that resume.
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Speaker 3: You can't lose. There's no room to slip up for
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Speaker 3: the rest of the way, all right, So let's talk
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Speaker 3: about the Wisconsin Badgers. Man, I just never imagined that
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Speaker 3: they could slip this far. I mean, that was just
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Speaker 3: an engine that hummed up there in Madison, Wisconsin, and
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Speaker 3: they played the exact same way. They always had these
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Speaker 3: corn fed offensive linemen that mowed people down like you know,
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Speaker 3: threshers through wheat. And they always had two or three
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Speaker 3: ball carriers that it didn't matter which one got the start.
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Speaker 3: That guy was going to go for fifteen hundred yards
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Speaker 3: this year. I just thought that that was such a
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Speaker 3: well oiled machine that there wasn't going to be any
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Speaker 3: bogging it down.
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Speaker 1: But it's bogged down right now.
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Speaker 3: Is it still the old, same old Wisconsin Badgers just
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Speaker 3: not as good or is there something different about this
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Speaker 3: Luke Fickle brand of the Badgers that isn't working well?
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Speaker 6: He got demolished this year unfortunately with injuries. I think
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Speaker 6: they lost eight of their projected starters from the opening
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Speaker 6: game of the year, and that I mean eight starters
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Speaker 6: on both sides. That's a massive run. They had a
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Speaker 6: quarterback they went to the transfer portal, Danny O'Neill, who
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Speaker 6: is now now a guy disgrundled and checked out, and
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Speaker 6: this would be their fourth starting quarterback of the season
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Speaker 6: with a young freshman, and he's a four star freshman
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Speaker 6: Carter Smith. But their philosophy could be all right, we
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Speaker 6: don't run the ball very well. When I say they
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Speaker 6: don't run the ball, they average three point two yards
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Speaker 6: to carry. It's not great. They don't throw the ball
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Speaker 6: very well. They're the last ranked offense, not only in
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Speaker 6: the Big Ten, but in FBS. That's not great either.
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Speaker 6: So there's a lot of things that this coach has
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Speaker 6: to figure out. The offensive line has been riddled with
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Speaker 6: injuries also, but there's nothing like a spark a young
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Speaker 6: freshman can bring if he does start, And that is
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Speaker 6: the rumor. However this team looks. I'm just I'm hoping
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Speaker 6: at this point. I don't know how you feel about this,
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Speaker 6: chuck that we don't get to see even more coaches
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Speaker 6: fired for things they can't control, which are injuries, transfers,
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Speaker 6: all these things, disgruntled players, and when you go on
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Speaker 6: losing streaks like what they've gone through.
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Speaker 5: I don't know where we're at right now with.
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Speaker 6: The amount of coaches that are continuing to be fired
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Speaker 6: and the amount of money that they're paying to get
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Speaker 6: rid of these coaches, And how are these players supposed
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Speaker 6: to rely on a fact that a coach will be
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Speaker 6: there who recruit.
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Speaker 5: And let them develop in.
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Speaker 6: I think Luke Fickle's a very good coach and Wisconsin's
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Speaker 6: a very good place to play football, and it's a
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Speaker 6: storied program. But you're in the Big Ten and it's tough.
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Speaker 6: It's been tough for them for years because they can't
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Speaker 6: get by Ohio State, Michigan well, and here we.
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Speaker 3: Are well, Coach new Eyes I brought up, I mean
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Speaker 3: if some of these other guys lost their jobs, I mean,
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Speaker 3: Luke Fickle seems like a guy that obviously is going
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Speaker 3: to lose his job to let that proud Badger brand
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Speaker 3: fall that far on your watch. And yet Coach new
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Speaker 3: eisl said put his foot in the grounds, like, no,
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Speaker 3: he's not going to be let go. Wisconsin's not going
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Speaker 3: to play that game that LSU and others are playing
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Speaker 3: where they'll eat as much money as they desire to
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Speaker 3: get the right guy and the job. That's not a
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Speaker 3: sustainable path. Everybody needs to recognize that, and apparently Wisconsin
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Speaker 3: realizes that even if other programs and other boosters.
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Speaker 6: Don't right, and it needs to be thought of that
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Speaker 6: way because if you're constantly chasing and the issue is
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Speaker 6: the ones on the outside that are making the decisions.
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Speaker 6: You see Scott Woodworck gets fired at LSU. If you're
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Speaker 6: chasing this this illusion that there is a young coach
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Speaker 6: that's going to direct you to the national championship, Okay,
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Speaker 6: or immediately get in. But I think now with the
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Speaker 6: accelerated transfer portal, where guys are going to be could
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Speaker 6: be legitimately in at college football playoff run to win
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Speaker 6: a national championship, and you're trying to recruit your own
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Speaker 6: guys to.
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Speaker 5: Stay on the team. That's insane to me.
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Speaker 6: And how some of these rules are set and so
10:31
Speaker 6: we're gonna we're still in a little bit of the
10:33
Speaker 6: wild West. And when with signing days moved up and
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Speaker 6: all of that, it accelerates the expectations of boosters and
10:39
Speaker 6: their pocketbooks. And unfortunately that's where we are and that's
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Speaker 6: what we're seeing right now.
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Speaker 3: No, No Camp Cleveland is with us former Husky tied
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Speaker 3: end and color analysts for your Washington Huskies right here
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Speaker 3: on the flagship Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
10:53
Speaker 3: His conversation with us every Wednesday, brought to you by
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Speaker 3: Warrior Injury Law, Battle Tested. I mean, when Jonah Coleman
11:01
Speaker 3: started this season, and the expectations were enormous for him.
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Speaker 3: He looked like against Colorado State like Bo.
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Speaker 1: Jackson in the original Tech Mobile.
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Speaker 3: Like he looked unstoppable out there on the football field. Well,
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Speaker 3: it's now ben since UC Davis that he's had one
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Speaker 3: hundred yard rushing game. What's the problem. How is Jonah
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Speaker 3: Coleman not getting one hundred yard rushing games? And he
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Speaker 3: better get one this weekend.
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Speaker 6: Well, for me, it was it was the change in
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Speaker 6: Ohio State when Carver and John Mills went down. And
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Speaker 6: I think Pockey's done a very good job. But would
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Speaker 6: you lose Carver if you watch him on film? Guys,
11:39
Speaker 6: it's he's a difference maker. He's a big time difference maker.
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Speaker 6: And then you take Quinton Moore out and he goes
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Speaker 6: down in Michigan and that changed how the game plan
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Speaker 6: and how you run everything. Quinton Moore is an essential
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Speaker 6: part of strongside runs as a tight end. You can
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Speaker 6: go back to last year and I don't care how
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Speaker 6: good you think you are or how good it is.
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Speaker 6: Jonah Coleman is only as good as the group he
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Speaker 6: has in front of him. If guys are blocking air,
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Speaker 6: are missing on the inside and teams are loading the box.
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Speaker 6: I mean, Demon Williams is four hundred and thirty yards
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Speaker 6: on the ground already a running quarterbacks. He's taken up
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Speaker 6: a lot of those original calls that would have been
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Speaker 6: handed off to Jonah and Demond has extended those some
12:28
Speaker 6: inside quarterback runs and he's taken a few of those away.
12:32
Speaker 6: With how Jed has had to call the game. We
12:35
Speaker 6: now have a healthy left side. We have the original
12:38
Speaker 6: group back from the starting two games through that UC
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Speaker 6: Davis run. In my opinion, now and I don't want
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Speaker 6: to say the biggest projection, we will start to see
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Speaker 6: what this offense is supposed to really be and feel
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Speaker 6: confident about the run game of Jonah Coleman because you
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Speaker 6: are healthy upfront and guys had this week to get better.
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Speaker 6: Now we see a Husky offense that's gonna hum.
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Speaker 3: And yet Demand Williams, I mean the two losses when
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Speaker 3: he couldn't get.
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Speaker 1: His running game going.
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Speaker 3: Why is it in football? I mean, when you see
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Speaker 3: boy the Huskies win, when Demand Williams is running to
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Speaker 3: go with his passing, Why is it just not that
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Speaker 3: easy in football to say Demand, you've got to run?
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Speaker 5: Well?
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Speaker 6: I think it's that's it's good. But he went up
13:21
Speaker 6: against two excellent defenses in those losses in Ohio State.
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Speaker 6: They had a very good game plan up front.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 6: And I also think this is me thinking, which I
13:31
Speaker 6: try to do sometimes about it, right.
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Speaker 1: Thinking everyone, Thank you, everybody, come around.
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Speaker 6: Around you guys. You guys say, I know we're on radio.
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Speaker 6: Do you see that small little cloud floating?
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Speaker 5: You know that that pops up mysteriously. That's the smoke
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Speaker 5: that small. Most of the time it's empty. Most of
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Speaker 5: the time it's empty.
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Speaker 7: Uh.
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Speaker 6: But I will tell you demand was not fully healthy
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Speaker 6: at Michigan to be running around. Okay, he got hurt
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Speaker 6: at the end of the previous week, and uh, instructions
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Speaker 6: and thoughts are like, I can't take a ton of hits.
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Speaker 6: And then we saw versus Illinois one of the biggest
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Speaker 6: hits on a run. So the kid is he's reckless
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Speaker 6: and not in a bad way because he's so crazy athletic.
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Speaker 6: The teams that have corralled it, they have done a
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Speaker 6: job of making sure their athletes have spied him. And
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Speaker 6: they play shallow underneath, okay, and deep over the top.
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Speaker 5: So all those facets.
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Speaker 6: Mean that you have to have to be able to
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Speaker 6: run the football with Jonah Coleman to get it started,
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Speaker 6: because that changes how defense start to call and do
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Speaker 6: I want to see Demond Williams win football games with
14:38
Speaker 6: his feat. Absolutely, If you're that electric, you take advantage
14:45
Speaker 6: of This is college, this is in the NFL. We
14:47
Speaker 6: saw Jaden Daniels. If you run in the NFL, all
14:50
Speaker 6: bets are off. Okay, that's the fact that Lamar Smith
14:53
Speaker 6: has been able to do it so long and stay upright.
14:55
Speaker 6: It's incredible. But he even is starting to see what
14:58
Speaker 6: happens when you run in colleg football. You have an
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Speaker 6: athletic quarterback, you take advantage of it one hundred out
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Speaker 6: of one hundred times. And this is what he needs
15:06
Speaker 6: to do in the stretch, run towards the end of
15:08
Speaker 6: the year, because it's a difference maker of speed and
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Speaker 6: extension of play.
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Speaker 5: That is what you have to do.
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Speaker 6: And you call plays, guys, for your best athletes. You
15:18
Speaker 6: don't call play because it sounds good. You call plays,
15:21
Speaker 6: say hey, if this isn't there, go run, go, get
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Speaker 6: a first down, get six yards. Just you don't need
15:27
Speaker 6: to hold it and try to get everybody involved all
15:29
Speaker 6: the time. Sometimes you're just a better guy. Than the
15:32
Speaker 6: guys around you.
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Speaker 3: You feel good right about a strong kick, a strong
15:36
Speaker 3: finish to this season six and two coming off the
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Speaker 3: buy schedule shapes up nice and then you get to
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Speaker 3: close with the A ducts and possibly with a lot
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Speaker 3: at stake.
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Speaker 1: You feel good about this.
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Speaker 6: Kick, right, I do. I think that you had a
15:50
Speaker 6: bye week at the right time. You got a great
15:52
Speaker 6: win versus Illinois. You're getting healthier at the end of
15:55
Speaker 6: the season. Quinton Moore has been reported he's going to
15:57
Speaker 6: come back healthy. Availability. He is the number one ability
16:01
Speaker 6: in all of sports, especially in football. We're all available.
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Speaker 6: It's setting up to be an opportunity.
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Speaker 5: Now. We just do your job, as.
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Speaker 6: What our coaches, Coach Belichick used to say every morning
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Speaker 6: when you'd walk in, Just do your blanking job. That's it,
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Speaker 6: and that's what we're supposed to do.
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Speaker 3: Do your job, all right, man, excellent stuff, Thank you, sir,
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Speaker 3: We appreciate it. Have fun in Madison, Wisconsin, and we'll
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Speaker 3: be listening.
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Speaker 5: All right. Wonderful talk to you all later. All right.
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Speaker 4: Bye boy, it really is. I was like, goodness, how
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Speaker 4: is it already eight thirty?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, al Koniskia nine thirty. We're going to Green Jacket
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Speaker 3: Draft today, something that we do every year at this time,
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Speaker 3: coming out of the NFL trading deadline. So that's coming
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Speaker 3: up at nine o'clock. Also, Ashley brought up the name
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Speaker 3: Trek schoobl and so I'm gonna dive into it today
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Speaker 3: for the first time. Maybe have many, but since everybody
18:15
Speaker 3: seems to be talking about this name and connecting it
18:18
Speaker 3: to the Mariners, we might as well dive into it
18:19
Speaker 3: a little bit. So we'll do that before the end
18:21
Speaker 3: of the hour. But let's talk about one transaction at
18:24
Speaker 3: a time for goodness sake. Yesterday was the NFL trading deadline,
18:27
Speaker 3: and yes, John Schneider did something.
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Speaker 1: Of course he did.
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Speaker 4: Of course he did so.
18:32
Speaker 1: On brand Johnny Boy.
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Speaker 3: He added Rashid Shahed from the New Orleans Saints for
18:38
Speaker 3: a fourth and fifth round pick. Who is the player, Well,
18:42
Speaker 3: he's somebody that has been one of the top yards
18:44
Speaker 3: per catch receivers in the National Football League for the
18:47
Speaker 3: last few years. He's also somebody on the last year
18:51
Speaker 3: of his contract, and so a lot of people wondering, well,
18:55
Speaker 3: fourth and fifth round pick, that's not a huge package,
18:58
Speaker 3: and yet he's only going to be here for half
19:00
Speaker 3: of the season. Well, they'll spend the next half of
19:03
Speaker 3: the season trying to figure out how much they like him,
19:05
Speaker 3: and maybe he ends up staying long term. And even
19:08
Speaker 3: if he does leave, I think you're gonna get some
19:10
Speaker 3: free agent compensation. So there's not really much of a
19:13
Speaker 3: loss here if you are the Seattle Seahawks. And then
19:17
Speaker 3: what he could bring to the table in terms of
19:20
Speaker 3: his skill set. He obviously can return kicks and punts.
19:23
Speaker 3: That's something that he's done in the past. But the
19:25
Speaker 3: more obvious thing is what we were talking about in
19:28
Speaker 3: training camp. Where's the guy that takes the lid off
19:31
Speaker 3: of the defense? Steahawks said, we weren't really worried about
19:34
Speaker 3: that at the time. Hugh Mellen was worried about it.
19:36
Speaker 3: Where's that speed demon, Where's that guy that threatens the
19:39
Speaker 3: defense deep?
19:41
Speaker 1: We didn't know.
19:41
Speaker 3: Tory Horton, though, was going to be as good and
19:44
Speaker 3: productive as what he's been. Once I saw Tory Horton
19:47
Speaker 3: have his best game as a Seahawks Sunday, I certainly
19:50
Speaker 3: actually wasn't thinking wide receivers.
19:53
Speaker 1: In addition, at the trade.
19:54
Speaker 8: Deadline, not at all. And yeah, Tory Horton looked great,
19:56
Speaker 8: that the offense looked great. I mean, San Darnold was
19:59
Speaker 8: spreading it a You didn't think, gosh, if only they
20:01
Speaker 8: had one more.
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Speaker 4: I thought they're all getting plenty.
20:04
Speaker 3: It's great, and so I think it's a fascinating addition,
20:08
Speaker 3: the national guys who I watched all day long yesterday
20:12
Speaker 3: seem to love this for the Seattle Seahawks. I certainly
20:16
Speaker 3: like it for the Seattle Seahawks, but more than the
20:18
Speaker 3: who is Rashid Shahed I asked Greg Beller Seahawks insider
20:23
Speaker 3: earlier in the show, why a wide receiver considering you
20:27
Speaker 3: have Cup and Horton and JSN schematics.
20:30
Speaker 7: They've had face, they've been facing stack boxes with the
20:34
Speaker 7: safety down in the box against the run. We've talked
20:36
Speaker 7: about how they run more than anybody in the league,
20:39
Speaker 7: and so defenses are honoring that and they have done
20:41
Speaker 7: that that they've succeeded in the run game in that
20:43
Speaker 7: regard is that teams play the run against them. And
20:46
Speaker 7: the goal here is to have another off take the
20:49
Speaker 7: top off a defense receiver big play guy when he
20:53
Speaker 7: hits for touchdowns there usually thirty forty yards speedster guy
20:57
Speaker 7: to send him down the field and stretch defense out
21:00
Speaker 7: and hopefully entice defenses to play more too high safety
21:03
Speaker 7: coverages and get that extra guy out of the box
21:06
Speaker 7: so then they can run more. And oh, by the way,
21:09
Speaker 7: if we can hit big plays for fifty yard touchdowns
21:11
Speaker 7: on the way to doing that even better, that's the
21:15
Speaker 7: thinking here. The fact that he was in Kobe k
21:17
Speaker 7: system with the same last year as another factor here.
21:20
Speaker 7: The fact that he's relatively cheap ending his two year
21:23
Speaker 7: contract he got his exclusive rights free agent a couple
21:26
Speaker 7: of years ago is another factor here. He made the
21:29
Speaker 7: All Pro team first team All Pro in twenty twenty three.
21:32
Speaker 7: That was just one year after he was an undrafted
21:34
Speaker 7: rookie free agent at a Weaver State and then he exploded.
21:37
Speaker 5: He was that.
21:37
Speaker 7: He's also done some kickoff return and punt returns. But
21:41
Speaker 7: the scheme of the offense that the Seahawks want to
21:44
Speaker 7: be able to run the ball against fewer people near
21:47
Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage, and they think this wide receiver
21:50
Speaker 7: throwing deep to him may force defenses to have to
21:53
Speaker 7: put a second safety deep to guard against that. Between
21:56
Speaker 7: Smith and Jigba and Horton and now a deeper threat,
22:01
Speaker 7: we'll see if it works that way. I think that's
22:02
Speaker 7: the thinking here, not just here's a receiver and go
22:05
Speaker 7: get touchdowns for us, but to change how defenses have
22:08
Speaker 7: played Seattle so far.
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Speaker 1: Greg mel Arci.
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Speaker 3: Since I don't want to hear the entire conversation from
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Speaker 3: seven oh five, you can do so on our podcast
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Speaker 3: ninety three to three KJR dot com. A couple of
22:18
Speaker 3: things that we haven't talked about. Actually, one we did
22:21
Speaker 3: touch upon that stood out to me yesterday. Of all
22:25
Speaker 3: the analysis was the idea of how much better this
22:29
Speaker 3: could make JSN? What how much better can he possibly get? Yeah,
22:37
Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't seem to have any trouble getting open,
22:41
Speaker 3: finding space making plays right now. But they sort of
22:46
Speaker 3: the conversation was, Man, you've added this element to this offense, now,
22:51
Speaker 3: this speed element to this offense. It's going to create
22:54
Speaker 3: so much more space for JSN, like he does not
22:58
Speaker 3: have trouble finding space. So I mean, what are we
23:01
Speaker 3: going to start watching if, in fact that Shaheed adds
23:05
Speaker 3: the ability for JSN to work in even greater space.
23:08
Speaker 3: I mean, right now, he looks like a stallion in
23:10
Speaker 3: the meadow, like nothing around him but an occasional bush
23:14
Speaker 3: and maybe like a sycamore tree.
23:16
Speaker 4: Just appeal on.
23:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So if this is gonna make JSN better,
23:21
Speaker 3: oh I'm here for it. But I just don't know
23:23
Speaker 3: how he could get any better than what he's looked
23:25
Speaker 3: the same.
23:25
Speaker 4: I think my brain would explode if he got better.
23:27
Speaker 8: I don't know that either, nor do I think obviously,
23:30
Speaker 8: I don't think that's why they would have done it. Yeah,
23:32
Speaker 8: I just think it's It is still an interesting thing.
23:35
Speaker 8: I'm very intrigued to see how they're going to work
23:38
Speaker 8: him in. Obviously, as you mentioned earlier, he's familiar with
23:41
Speaker 8: Clint Kubiak's offense, so he should slide in really easily.
23:46
Speaker 8: It's just how is everybody else kind of going.
23:48
Speaker 4: To work with him. It's a good problem to have, yeah,
23:50
Speaker 4: really good problem to have.
23:51
Speaker 8: And actually, the NFL Twitter account just put out their
23:55
Speaker 8: power rankings for the week.
23:57
Speaker 4: Guess who's number one.
23:58
Speaker 1: Are you serious?
23:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, Chris Collinsworth was onto something front of the line,
24:02
Speaker 3: front of the line, and I think they got a
24:04
Speaker 3: little more dangerous. I mean for national analysts to be
24:07
Speaker 3: sitting there saying, how do you stop this offense on
24:10
Speaker 3: a team known for defense? Yeah, what a powerful statement
24:15
Speaker 3: that That is what amazing progress the offense is made
24:18
Speaker 3: under Clint Kubiak and with Sam Darnold slinging the football around.
24:23
Speaker 3: If if we do have an offense that can match
24:26
Speaker 3: our defense, you're damn straight. This is a Super Bowl contender. Yeah,
24:30
Speaker 3: this is a team that could win it all. And
24:32
Speaker 3: Shaheed could add a little extra element to all of that.
24:36
Speaker 3: And if it does give JSN sort of you get
24:39
Speaker 3: to move your best chess piece around the board and
24:43
Speaker 3: put it anywhere. Put it outside, put it in the
24:45
Speaker 3: slot with with Cooper, you know, put it in, put
24:49
Speaker 3: it in the backfield. If you now get this unveils
24:53
Speaker 3: another layer of how you can use JSN as a weapon. Yeah,
25:00
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see what Clint Kubiak comes up with.
25:03
Speaker 3: The Other thing that I have not talked about this
25:06
Speaker 3: morning that I really liked from all the coverage both
25:09
Speaker 3: local and national, that I was following about the trade yesterday,
25:12
Speaker 3: Chris Olave sending a tweet to Jackson Smith and Jigba openly.
25:18
Speaker 3: A Lave and JSN were teammates in college and then
25:22
Speaker 3: a Lave was teammates with Shahid with the Saints, and
25:25
Speaker 3: A Lave just sent him a direct tweet that we
25:28
Speaker 3: all could see.
25:29
Speaker 4: Yes, like retweeted quote, retweeted it, yeah.
25:32
Speaker 1: And just said, you're getting a great one.
25:34
Speaker 5: Yeah.
25:34
Speaker 3: So that's him telling his buddy, you're getting a great one.
25:38
Speaker 3: I love hearing this, Yes, And I don't know why
25:44
Speaker 3: teams don't put more emphasis on it, because it tends
25:47
Speaker 3: to work where you not only get a great talent,
25:49
Speaker 3: but a great teammate, you know. I mean, once upon
25:53
Speaker 3: a time, the Seahawks made a really bold move for
25:55
Speaker 3: Percy Harvin, and in a lot of ways it worked out.
25:58
Speaker 3: In a lot of ways it didn't work. So to
26:01
Speaker 3: be able to get somebody that can add an element
26:04
Speaker 3: like Harvin could add an element, but also as the
26:07
Speaker 3: reputation of being a great teammate, not a good teammate,
26:10
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's an unimpeachable source. In Jsn's world.
26:14
Speaker 3: That's his buddy, right, that's a guy that he shared
26:16
Speaker 3: a locker room with, And here's Chris Olave telling his
26:20
Speaker 3: buddy publicly, you got a great one, not a good one,
26:23
Speaker 3: you got a great one. And not just as a player,
26:26
Speaker 3: but as a teammate.
26:28
Speaker 4: Love that, Yeah, I really I love that too.
26:31
Speaker 8: I also loved Rashid Shaheed going on to social media
26:34
Speaker 8: and saying, you know, like New Orleans, I have loved
26:36
Speaker 8: playing here, and thank you to the fans, and this
26:38
Speaker 8: has been awesome.
26:39
Speaker 1: Even though they were terrible most of the time.
26:41
Speaker 8: He was there exactly because I think, you know, you
26:44
Speaker 8: look at somebody and I'm not faulty Sauce.
26:45
Speaker 4: Gardner in any way.
26:46
Speaker 8: I don't think he'd said anything wrong, but his was
26:48
Speaker 8: like New York, it's been real, like bye, you know
26:51
Speaker 8: because again similar situation.
26:53
Speaker 4: You've been on a terrible team.
26:54
Speaker 8: Right now you're going to something that you hope is
26:56
Speaker 8: going to be a better opportunity. And I just liked
26:59
Speaker 8: the of extra personal touch that he'd put on his goodbye.
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Speaker 3: That's exciting, fascinating. As I said to start the show
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Speaker 3: here today, all right, coming up next, why is Trek
27:10
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Speaker 1: Now at a red hot price.
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Speaker 3: I don't think there's gonna be a red hot price
28:05
Speaker 3: for Trek Scooble when he becomes a free agent. As
28:08
Speaker 3: a matter of fact, the rumors are he's seeking ten years,
28:11
Speaker 3: four hundred million minimum. Oh that seems like something the
28:15
Speaker 3: Mariners would never do.
28:18
Speaker 8: Well, Yeah, especially because Jim Bowden was on with Softy
28:24
Speaker 8: yesterday and was like, yeah, the Tigers and schoobl were
28:26
Speaker 8: three hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 4: Apart, and I was like, I thought to myself, like,
28:31
Speaker 4: what are they trying to pay him? Nothing?
28:33
Speaker 8: Like, how could you be three hundred million apart? Now
28:36
Speaker 8: you've answered the.
28:36
Speaker 3: Question, Yeah, he's seeking. I mean, that's and that's about right.
28:40
Speaker 3: I mean, the last big offer was Ya Moto at
28:43
Speaker 3: twelve years three twenty five. He's Yamamoto's not coming off
28:48
Speaker 3: back to back cy Young Awards. Yamamoto's not at the
28:51
Speaker 3: you know, as accomplished as what Tarrek Scooble has been
28:55
Speaker 3: in so ten years, four hundred million is probably what
28:58
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to pay for the best pitch, arguably
29:01
Speaker 3: in the world. And so is this something that the
29:04
Speaker 3: Mariners would be willing to do. I don't think so.
29:09
Speaker 3: And yet there are an awful lot of people, including
29:12
Speaker 3: Adam Jude who wrote about it and he covers the
29:15
Speaker 3: team on a daily basis, and then Buster Only apparently
29:18
Speaker 3: just casually brought it up in a conversation about Trek Scooble,
29:22
Speaker 3: just kind of listing off.
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Speaker 1: Teams that might be in the running.
29:26
Speaker 3: For a Trek Scooble trade this offseason, since Detroit doesn't
29:29
Speaker 3: want to pay him the big exorbitant salary going forward,
29:35
Speaker 3: and it doesn't quite feel like a fit to me.
29:39
Speaker 3: It just doesn't feel like something the Mariners are willing
29:42
Speaker 3: to do. But maybe they've got a new lease on life.
29:45
Speaker 3: Maybe after getting nine outs from the World Series and
29:49
Speaker 3: seeing what Josh Naylor a rental can contribute to a
29:52
Speaker 3: baseball team, and Gino Suarez a rental hits a Grand
29:57
Speaker 3: Slam it looked like the biggest hit in Mariners history
30:00
Speaker 3: at the time. Maybe they've turned over a new leaf.
30:04
Speaker 3: Maybe they are willing to consider this. I don't think
30:07
Speaker 3: they're going to consider ten years.
30:09
Speaker 1: Four hundred million.
30:10
Speaker 8: I don't think so they would. I would have to
30:12
Speaker 8: think that they all were sniffing glue. If they suddenly decided, like, yeah,
30:16
Speaker 8: you know what, we're going to just drop everything we've
30:18
Speaker 8: done for the last forty some years, although they haven't
30:21
Speaker 8: been the same, but you know, last twenty years, and
30:23
Speaker 8: we're just going to do this. This seems like a
30:25
Speaker 8: great plan. I mean, I would I would think that
30:28
Speaker 8: somebody kidnapped all of the actual Mariner's owners in front
30:32
Speaker 8: office and replace them with clones.
30:33
Speaker 3: Especially considering how set you seem to be at this
30:36
Speaker 3: position with young and expensive players, you know, by comparison. Yeah,
30:42
Speaker 3: and so would they be interested in just bringing him
30:45
Speaker 3: over for one year? All right, let's geck the tires
30:49
Speaker 3: on that number one if you Okay, So the Tigers
30:54
Speaker 3: don't want to pay a guy forty million dollars a
30:56
Speaker 3: year that's already had.
30:57
Speaker 1: Tommy John surgery.
30:58
Speaker 3: Right, They're not that high organization, that's no problem. Dodgers,
31:02
Speaker 3: no problems. Yeah, Yankees, no problem. Probably even the Blue Jays,
31:06
Speaker 3: no problem. But the Tigers aren't one of those teams.
31:09
Speaker 3: Mariners aren't one of those teams.
31:12
Speaker 2: And so.
31:14
Speaker 5: What?
31:14
Speaker 3: But but the Tigers are. You know, they were also
31:18
Speaker 3: in the playoffs with us, right, and they also were
31:20
Speaker 3: flirting with the best record in the American League for
31:23
Speaker 3: much of the season.
31:24
Speaker 1: They're not about rebuilding. No, But if you.
31:28
Speaker 3: Know you're not going to be able to sign Schooble
31:30
Speaker 3: long term, what can you get for him right now?
31:36
Speaker 3: So if the Mariners are like, okay, you take Castillo's
31:39
Speaker 3: money off of our hands, and then we'll give you
31:43
Speaker 3: a couple prospects as well. Good not not just the
31:47
Speaker 3: bottom of the barrel, but good prospects as well, and
31:51
Speaker 3: a go for it kind of move. We'll take Trek's
31:53
Speaker 3: schooble for one year and you get a top of
31:56
Speaker 3: the rotation starter to add to your you know, or
32:00
Speaker 3: very minimum middle of the rotation starter and twenty four
32:05
Speaker 3: million dollars per year. That seems palatable versus forty million
32:09
Speaker 3: dollars a year.
32:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, now you've got me thinking this is going to happen.
32:12
Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying I'm trying to figure out how it
32:14
Speaker 1: can happen.
32:15
Speaker 3: So if you talk, if the Tigers are like, yeah,
32:17
Speaker 3: we'll take Castillo and that money, but obviously we're going
32:20
Speaker 3: to need some prospects as well. Here's the trade I
32:24
Speaker 3: can compare it to last year. Kyle Tucker was available
32:28
Speaker 3: from the Astros, and everybody in the sport knew it
32:30
Speaker 3: was going to be a one year deal, and so
32:34
Speaker 3: that drives down prices. That drives down the trade package
32:38
Speaker 3: because you only get to keep the guy for one
32:40
Speaker 3: year with no promise that you get to keep him beyond.
32:44
Speaker 1: Well.
32:44
Speaker 3: They offered that the Astros got was Estoc Parades, an
32:49
Speaker 3: established good third baseman, Hayden West Neski, a major league
32:55
Speaker 3: ready pitcher who didn't quite work out or hasn't worked
32:58
Speaker 3: out just yet. And then Cam Smith, who ended up
33:01
Speaker 3: being there starting right fielder even though he had just
33:04
Speaker 3: gotten drafted, but he was rated the number seventy three
33:06
Speaker 3: prospect in sport. So that's a pretty good haul for
33:09
Speaker 3: a guy you know you're only going to keep for
33:11
Speaker 3: one year, and it feels like the Cubs.
33:13
Speaker 1: Are only going to keep them for one year.
33:15
Speaker 3: Feels like Kyle Tucker did not like his time in
33:17
Speaker 3: Chicago and wants to leave. Yeah, so that's the kind
33:21
Speaker 3: of package that you're looking at, right, There is that
33:24
Speaker 3: sort of deal. So it's that's and to go to
33:28
Speaker 3: the Astros. The Astros are obviously still trying to compete.
33:30
Speaker 3: They weren't looking to rebuild, and I got to believe
33:32
Speaker 3: that the Tigers are in that same sandbox. So if
33:36
Speaker 3: you are going to add to Castillo, what about this
33:39
Speaker 3: kind of package Castillo, Logan Evans, Cole Young, that's your
33:45
Speaker 3: Cam Smith equivalent and dom canzone those for it for
33:52
Speaker 3: Trek Schouble for one year, one year, and you haven't
33:56
Speaker 3: added to your payroll. You've actually subtracted from your payroll
33:59
Speaker 3: by making this move because Scooble was projected in his
34:02
Speaker 3: last year of arbitration to make twenty two and a
34:05
Speaker 3: half and the Rock is scheduled to.
34:07
Speaker 1: Make twenty four and a half.
34:08
Speaker 3: Plus you get rid of the contract that you would
34:10
Speaker 3: ohe Luis be on this year as well.
34:13
Speaker 1: So for one year, do you want the best pitcher
34:15
Speaker 1: in the world to add to this rotation?
34:17
Speaker 4: You know wouldn't turn it down.
34:18
Speaker 1: Would you offer that package?
34:20
Speaker 3: Because I think that's probably in the ballpark of where
34:23
Speaker 3: it would be.
34:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. It has seems like an awful
34:27
Speaker 4: lot for one year. I'd have to think about it.
34:29
Speaker 3: How about we just go after carry Carpenter so he
34:31
Speaker 3: could stop murdering us every time we play them, because
34:35
Speaker 3: I think you could get him for a lot less.
34:37
Speaker 3: I think you could get him if they get rid
34:39
Speaker 3: of Scooble. You could probably throw the Castillo thing in there,
34:43
Speaker 3: and then you want to have to give up a
34:45
Speaker 3: Cole Young I don't think. Maybe it's Castillo, Canzone and
34:48
Speaker 3: Evans and you get Carpenter who only makes three point
34:51
Speaker 3: five million dollars and is in the first year of
34:53
Speaker 3: his arbitration, so you've got years.
34:56
Speaker 4: That's much more mare and a friendly.
34:58
Speaker 1: Doesn't that sound.
34:59
Speaker 3: Much more like a Baron ordeal. Plus we don't have
35:01
Speaker 3: to face the guy anymore. You can't beat him, join him.
35:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, so agreed.
35:06
Speaker 3: I think I think that makes more sense than pursuing Schooble.
35:12
Speaker 3: But we shall see. I won't take it off the board,
35:16
Speaker 3: but I don't think it's gonna happen, so I don't mind.
35:20
Speaker 4: I don't think so either.
35:21
Speaker 3: I mean to be a bucket of cold water with
35:23
Speaker 3: all these Schooble to Seattle rumors floating around, But the
35:26
Speaker 3: idea of him coming home where he went to college,
35:30
Speaker 3: that's not a motivating factor. You know, whoever, whoever gets
35:35
Speaker 3: him long term is the team that's going to pay
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Speaker 3: the most money. Yeah, and I don't think that's going
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Speaker 3: to be us. All right, Coming up next, it's time
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Speaker 3: to green jacket draft. Yes, there's not a major sporting
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Speaker 3: event that's getting ready to get started, which is usually
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Speaker 3: what we draft, but we do this exercise every year
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Speaker 3: after the NFL trading deadline. It's time to make our
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl picks right now. Sports Radio ninety three point
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