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Ep. 16 Everyone’s an Expert. Nobody Knows Anything. · The Group Chat

• Carson: I share things from my algorithm that I think are cool, and then I'm like, I fuck with your algorithm by you sending it to you, you open it and you like it, and you send me one back and then my algorithm is to Brandon: No, you're part of it. Carson: fuck with. So it's like we're sending like algorithmic STDs to each other. Hey everybody, I'm Carson. Paulina: I'm Paulina. Brandon: And I'm Brandon. Carson: And we're the group chat. So welcome to the show today. Guys, what are we talking about again? Brandon: That's a good question. Paulina: Carson remind us? I don't know. Carson: It's okay everybody. We just literally spent like twenty minutes talking about what we were gonna talk about, but then we we get to this moment and pff it's like, why are we here? Paulina: Go on the window. Carson: What are we doing on this rock floating through the universe? Flying through the universe. Paulina: That's a good question, huh? Brandon: Guess the the optimization isn't working for us. Carson: Are you optimized? I don't know. That's been coming up that's been popping up a lot of my feed, whether that's YouTube or Instagram. It's been showing up. I mean, I think it's probably true for everybody, but some things out there always telling you there's a better way to do this, or don't eat this combination of foods, you should do this. sometimes you've seen the little clips of like, I'm a vitamin and I do this. I mean, I don't know if you guys have seen that one. But I don't know what Brandon: Mm-hmm. Let's see that one. Carson: you guys think about all that. There's a lot of noise, there's a lot of, you know. push influence pushing going on. So what is your experience? Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: I think it's too much. It's over it's Paulina: Just just agreeing, just yeah. Brandon: it's too much is overload. There seems to be always something popping up. There's always a way to do something better, do something different. Which is probably true, but I think it's just constant intake of that is a little too much. Paulina: Yeah, and sometimes it feels like one way is the right way to do it and then you you find another video and it's like, actually, that way that you have learned is not right. And they give you like a whole spiel about it and they give you five different other ways and then you scroll past like, you know, like three other videos and they tell you the opposite of that again. And you're like, my god, like what should I be doing? Like what is the manual here? Like, can someone give me like clear instructions? Carson: Yeah. It's like everybody's an expert and then nobody knows anything, all at the same time. Brandon: Eight exactly. Carson: Okay, all right, so now I'm gonna search with AI because I probably know that if I think about it or like try to remember what I learned in this ha what to do in this situation, but then it's just so easy to go, hey, can I leave this in the fridge for three or four days and still eat it? And it's like obviously not. If you're even questioning it, you should probably throw it out. No, it doesn't say it in those words. I wish it were like that direct. You always see videos Brandon: W too nice. Carson: of people having their their chat GPT program to have a different voice or different attitude, and I'm just like, I just want to get on that level. But Paulina: Yeah. Carson: then and again it's just it's comical, but it's also scary. Like people are putting so much humanity into this when it's just just Brandon: Okay. Just not. Just not. Carson: just let's chill out on that. what was I gonna say? So yeah, like example. Electric toothbrushes are bad for you, right? Because you're the electromagnetic field. It's it's ionizing. It's not ionizing radiation. Okay. They're trying to get you to like worry about the microplastics, they're trying to w you to worry about the electromagnetic frequencies, whether it's your Bluetooth headphones or it's a freaking toothbrush. And you know, nobody's saying anything about the phones that we hold close to our heads or we just keep in our pockets Brandon: Exactly. Carson: all day. It's like I'm not gonna worry about a few microplastics. I'm gonna change my toothbrush heads. I mean I'll buy the bamboo ones if I find them, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to just start optimizing my oral hygiene. I'm already doing a pretty fucking good job. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: I didn't hear about that one actually. Like I always heard electric toothbrushes to be recommended because it's like it's the best way to clean your teeth, whatever, like recommended by dentists. But then I never heard the the the counter argument for that. Carson: Been saying it a lot. I'm like, then I just did a little research for like two minutes and it was like, Yeah, but you probably should worry more. Brandon: And that was more than enough. Carson: Yeah. I was like, I'm not worried about that. Stop showing me. And I had to do that like ten times. Stop showing me this inappropriate, irrelevant, unnecessary, Garbage. I don't know what what else I have to push on here. Brandon: Does it still continue to pop up? Carson: After I I mentioned it just now, probably show up again, but Brandon: Yeah. Carson: We'll see. I'll let you know. In the second it does, it'll it'll appear in the group chat. I'll send it to you and share it with you. Brandon: So here it is. Paulina: But I've heard about the the bamboo ones or something like that, like that there is this guy who invented like the the best toothbrush or whatever, and it's like a fucking toothbrush that is like bamboo that costs like twelve dollars. And I'm like, who the fuck is paying twelve dollars for a toothbrush that you need to replace every what three months or whatever? It's like you can go fucking no, not bankrupt, but like for real, like twelve dollars for a toothbrush. Carson: Using like horse hair, boar Brandon: It's expensive. Carson: hair, like bristles or whatever the Paulina: Yeah. Carson: sounds like it tastes gross. Paulina: Mm-hmm. Brandon: There's always something. Carson: People people try anything if it means they're doing the best they can. Paulina: Yeah. That and that's the that's this idea, like the best that we can. It's like just because something is good for somebody else doesn't necessarily mean it's the best for us. And we have to sort Carson: Yeah, in so many cases. Paulina: of we have to sort of think like take a step back and and think about that because yeah the algorithm can feed us all of those things, but I'll give you guys an example. I was looking for wedding dresses, right? And I had a very specific style of a wedding dress that I wanted to get. But then I started looking at them and I was like, I don't know where these crazy brides that are paying 3,000 euros for a dress that they're gonna wear for one night, you know? Of course the dresses look beautiful, but I'm like, why is it showing me the least like fancy person, you know, that you can meet and like The best for me is not to get a three thousand euro dress because one, I don't want to, and two, why the fuck would I for one night? For a couple of hours. You know, so is this idea is it really the best for me to get that type of dress to pay that much money for something that is for a couple of hours? Carson: Do you want your wedding night to be something that you'll remember forever? Paulina: Yeah, but it's people that make it It's people that Carson: You need to buy this truss. Brandon: For three thousand euros. Paulina: make it memorable, not a fucking dress. Like the dress, I don't know, like it can get dirty, you can get a f wine stain on it and what? Like Brandon: All the above. Paulina: Yeah. I mean it's ridiculous. Carson: I hear you. I hear ya. Cons yeah. The consumerist thing is always gonna be there. And just I roll my eyes at that. Well then you know, occasionally I see some cool product and I click on it and I find out like like you said it's three thousand or it's like five hundred, like that piece of crap. Like I was gonna buy it because Brandon: Why? Carson: it looked useful. Not because I wanna like Paulina: But now it's not. Brandon: Not for that price. Carson: like food is more useful than that shit because I won't be eating for two months if I pay for this. Brandon: And you'll be divorced. Carson: Yeah. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: Carson spying shit again. Some guys have gambling Brandon: Sure. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: issues. Some guys do other things. Paulina: Another Amazon box on my doorstep. What the fuck cars in? Brandon: Yeah. Happy to the best. Like you said earlier, I think a lot of this also has to do with like people not doing research. Like there's so much input. Every week there's something new, someone sends something, this is the best. The next week it's something different. And a lot of times because we as consumers don't put any effort to actually look at the information. You just keep taking in more and more information and you don't know what's true because you hear so much. Paulina: And then you just think. Brandon: And all you really need to do is like you said before, probably like two minutes of research and you knew exactly What you saw w it wasn't worth it. It wasn't true. Carson: And I wish I had researched it earlier because I had been seeing these ads for months. And I probably spent more than two minutes looking at these ads over the last several months. In total, Brandon: For sure. Carson: five seconds here, ten seconds there, like, maybe they have a point. Maybe it's actually true. Sitting there, like, hmm, this could be the way. Maybe I'm a piece of shit for brushing my teeth three times a day with an electric toothbrush. And then Paulina: Mm-hmm. Carson: in the end, it's like, no, I mean, some people only brush their teeth once. Like, some people are. Brandon: Or not at all. Paulina: Once a year. Brandon: Or not at all. Carson: Don't don't clean their ass. So on the toothbrush rant. Didn't see that one coming. Brandon: All right. Carson: Well, are you all the type of people who let the notification notifications just ding ding ding all day? Or do you mute them all? Your phone always on the loud? Paulina: Hm, I generally have my phone on mute. But notifications, no. May well notifications well, they're on mute, like they're on silent, but I have them popping up. It doesn't really bother me because I'm the sort of person that like if I see I have three notifications from Instagram, two from Facebook, I don't know what's up, I'm like, okay, like I have other things to do, I'll check it later. If it happens to be that I'm actually using my phone, I'll respond to you. If I see a notification and if I'm not doing anything, fine, I'll respond to you. But if it's there and I'm doing something, I'm in my I don't know, with my students or I don't know, cooking, cleaning, whatever, I don't care. Let the notifications, you know, stack up and then I'll check them one by one. Brandon: For me, I have my phone. basically when if a notification arrives, it just lights up. Like there's like a blue lights on the side and it pops up and that's it. Like I it doesn't say, you have a WhatsApp or email or whatever. It's just it lights up and that's it. And that's the best for me because I don't wanna know. I don't want to be bothered with my phone all the time. If I remember correctly, I only have notifications for WhatsApp and email, I believe. Carson: Huh, we're all across the board Paulina: Very well. Carson: here. I I'm like always muted, no no notifications. And then I go into Instagram like twelve messages. No, that's too many. Well, it's like four Paulina: And it's and it's all me. Just sending you a whole bunch of reels. Carson: of them are from Paulina and then it's like eleven other conversations Brandon: Sure. Carson: and like in the end it's fifty mess. Brandon: Yeah. Carson: And then I it's amazing I'll just scroll and forget that I have to respond to all these messages. I'm like, shit. I haven't responded in weeks to this person, but it was just like a smiley face or emoji or whatever. Paulina: Yeah, I mean I tried, you know, to sort of like mute certain like apps and just like you know in the settings like that the notifications that go through or whatever. But for me, since one, I run my own business, two, since I have family in different countries and and friends in different countries, my parents are getting up there in age. I prefer to have my notifications on for different reasons. Like my dad's health is, you know, sort of rocky. So I prefer to have like notifications for my messenger for Instagram just so if there is a situation, people can get a hold of me because my sister or my mom is not going to call me on my Spanish number. You know, they'll use WhatsApp or they'll use Messenger. So mainly for reasons of like communication, but if it wasn't for that, like I would just mute more than half of those. Carson: You use your phone for notif for communication? Paulina: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I thought that's what we use phones for. Brandon: That's strange. Paulina: Like you actually call people? You Carson: Are you okay? Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: you send 10 minute voice notes? Carson: Sus, yeah. Hey, you do send some long ass audio notes. Paulina: I know. Sorry. Sorry, not sorry. Carson: And it's like two times, hit it two times. Like, got it. Copy. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: Do you guys really do that? Yeah. And Carson does it. He's like, I don't Aw. Brandon: I d I dun I don't. Okay. Carson: At least one but Brandon: I don't speed it up. Carson: not just you. Not just you. It's with everybody. Yeah. Yeah, don't take it personal. Yeah. Paulina: Okay, okay. That makes me feel a little bit better. Brandon: Okay. Paulina: You don't want to sit there through my my god, Nacho, what are you doing? Stop eating things off the floor. Carson: Well, if I if something like that happens, then I'll go back and turn it down so I can enjoy the richness of the moment. But Brandon: Take it all in. Carson: but otherwise I'd rather go through fast and be like, what is that? And then I'll go back to a part of it and be like, I don't know. It's just something like the phone. There's a like I don't feel as guilty if I'm doing it like from a productivity thing. That's my trap, I think, the optimization trap. Is that I feel like Well, ever this should make everything easier, right? So it should make everything faster. It shouldn't have to it's not even like trying to offend the person who sent me something. It's almost like if we're not talking in a conversation, then okay. I know there's a little more obviously depending on who texts you, if it's a if it's a WhatsApp, then you know somebody's kind of counting on you to respond. So you're gonna you're gonna listen to it as soon as you can. But it's kinda nice that in our generation we just went from Always calling to sometimes just sending a quick text and letting it just sit there. I think there's something good about that. I think that was one of the last major like breakthroughs in communication. People have the short form ability to just say drop something, leave it there, and be like, Yeah, there's no rush, get to it when you can. thought of you or want your thoughts on this, but like in between an email and a phone call, obviously. I mean, we all know what it is. Paulina: yeah. Carson: Yeah, so well going from text messages to also sending things to friends in the apps, like Instagram. you see a real you're like, I'm gonna share that with Paulina. I'm gonna see you on. I'm like, okay, Brandon, we'll get this. I'll send this to Brandon. And then now so that's taken over text message. It was text message was great. And then we had group chats, and everybody's like, Group chats are kind of annoying. They're just like a million messages all the time. There's always like one or two people just bla blah blah blah blah blah blah and you're just like Can you two like have your own private conversation now? No offense, but fuck off. Brandon: Right. Carson: We've all been there. Come on. We've all been there. Paulina: Yeah, yeah. Brandon: Definitely, definitely. Carson: and so what's your algorithm feeding you? Because that's how we communicate. I share things from my algorithm that I think are cool, and then I'm like, I fuck with your algorithm by you sending it to you, you open it and you like it, and you send me one back and then my algorithm is to Brandon: No, you're part of it. Carson: fuck with. So it's like we're sending like algorithmic STDs to each other. Brandon: It's one way to look at it. Carson: Don't quote me on that. Paulina: my god. Well Carson: So what's your algorithm? Paulina: Brandon, you want to go first. I have to think about if I really want to Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: share with my algorithm. Brandon: I'm thinking but the majority of mine is usually is like things related to traveling. So it's a lot of stuff like Carson: I get that. Brandon: trip traveling Spain, traveling well basically anywhere in the US also. What else? A lot of sports, basketball, yeah, a lot of MBA, college football things. I don't know random stuff. That's related, but that what's that? Carson: Yeah, I see the football. I see the football stuff from in in my feed I get football sometimes 'cause of you. Basketball too, 'cause Brandon: Yeah. Carson: we send each other sometimes basketball or football things. Brandon: Yeah. So I don't know, it's a lot of that. But it's mainly honestly right now, especially after this summer and traveling a lot and we're looking up lots of information or lots of different stuff. It's a lot of traveling. Traveling around Spain. Carson: Yeah. And then there's that Brandon: Well good. Carson: always fear of missing out because everybody's travelling. Brandon: Yeah. Carson: You have friends Paulina: Mm-hmm. Carson: on there, I at least I do, and you're like you're always in a new place of how what do you do for work? Brandon: He's like when Paulina: That Brandon: do you work? Paulina: that's what I was talking that's what I was talking about to Tony this morning. I was like, how the hell do these people want to afford to be constantly traveling? Like do they have any savings at all? And what the hell do they do for work that can they can just take off any day? I don't know, like a random Wednesday in October. And like, where are you going? Carson: I'm jealous. I'm just I'm totally jealous. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: There's a lot of people that are they're doing well. No one knows. They're quiet and they're doing well and they can do things like that. Hopefully soon. Paulina: But I agree with with Brendan. I think my my algorithm also has a lot of travel things. Since we were planning our trip to New York, now I have constantly like New York things, you know. I'm like, why do I need this? You know, I've already been there. Like I know these places. but yeah, a lot of travel things. I have a lot of memes as well. Just a Carson: Memes. Paulina: lot of stupid memes. yeah. Like I like to scroll through like different memes and just laugh and and that's it. I have a lot of cats because obviously I have two cats. So a lot of things about like the best thing for your cat is blah blah blah. It's like, okay, and then you scroll to another one and says something different. trying to think of what else is my algorithm. Lots of things from like shows because I like to watch different shows so I do like major stocking now and supernatural. so a lot of supernatural memes and references and bloopers. I also get sometimes like those typical influencers of get ready with me or whatever, but I try to sort of just scroll past that. I don't really like that content. but it still appears, you know, every now and then because you like one or two. About some sort of skincare, then you're like, I'll check this product out. It's in Mercadona. Let's I'm gonna go and see how it is. And then your whole algorithm becomes an influencer with Get Ready With Me and skincare routines. I'm like, who has the time for that? So, like, who has the time to have, I don't know, a seven-step skincare routine every morning? Not me. Yeah. Carson: You're just not optimizing your your shit. Okay. You gotta get your shit together. That's what that's that's what it's trying to tell you. If you're Paulina: Not optimizing my life. Yeah. Brandon: Step your game up. Carson: not doing seven steps, like wait, isn't that seven steps? Is that an AA? How many steps are that one? 12. Damn. Damn. Paulina: That's twelve cents. Don't ask me how I know. Carson: You're not even gonna do seven steps? How are you gonna ever do 12, Paulina? Paulina: Exactly. Right? You're too lazy for that shit. Carson: Unforgivable. Paulina: Yeah and I Brandon: Chip for letting. Paulina: didn't But another thing that comes up a lot. Okay. Another thing that comes up a lot is I lost my train of thought. I saw you guys laughing and I just lost my Brandon: Sorry. Carson: Who cook cachoo. Paulina: train of thought. the Brandon: Right. Paulina: typical things for like how to improve your like Instagram profile and all of that, you know, since obviously I'm doing a lot of the reels and social media, so everything just How to make the best carousels, how to make the best reels, how which platform to use, which thing I'm like and one thing tells you these hooks are the best, another one tells you, no, these hooks no longer work. In August we're doing this. I'm like, but what makes the difference from July to August? It's a different month, that's it. What what makes like so yeah. Carson: Mm. Brandon: Okay. Paulina: Trying to optimize, but at the same time, lots of it's not lemon Carson: Her feet exhaust her. She's like Paulina: squeezy, easy easy. Yeah. Brandon: Too much information. Carson: It's lot. Well, my algorithm is a lot of Paulina: Woman's mind. Carson: You know I like to try on different launcher. Paulina: Carson on on a Saturday morning. Brandon: Mm-hmm. Carson: You know what? You know, the weekend's for you to let your freak flag fly, so Who am I to stop somebody from doing such a thing? I Brandon: No judgment. Carson: will not. But hey, I am Paulina: No, not at all. Carson: not I'm not here to judge. so I get a lot Paulina: Just a little bit. Carson: of I mean, we all judge, right? So not here to lie either. So right. Political spokespeople, not politicians, but people who are like, what you said is bullshit or what you guys are thinking is partisan and Maybe you should look at yourself in the mirror, blah, blah, blah. You know, things like that. Nothing too heavy. then what else? yeah, well a lot of comedy because I like stand up comedy. Or I'll look at yeah, reels, memes. It could be old skit from Key and Peel or Chappelle Show or something. And those are the ones I stop on and I watch for like 20 or 30 seconds because you know, yeah, you got you gotta put yourself in the scene. And then dance, a lot of like I say a good amount of breakdancing, even though it's not my favorite style. It just comes up a lot. I think it's probably just because it gets a lot of likes, people see it and they're like immediately just in shock with the the way they're contorting their bodies and also timing it to the music. It's like how many times do they practice that or is this something Paulina: Yeah. Carson: that they're just putting together on the spot? Yeah, occasionally fitness things, but mostly stuff to make me laugh. Otherwise I'm not gonna spend more than ten minutes on it. I get really bored really easily. I don't think I'm easy to entertain. So it seems pretty good. Like I algorithm's got me. It's got me down. Like it knows what I need when I start schooling. I need a quick quick hit, a little laugh, and then just move on. Something has piqued my interest or you know, make me research toothbrush heads or something. Paulina: Mm-hmm. Carson: Like where the fuck did that come from? I'm here to have a good time, like not question my health choices. Like Well, you're trying to be my teacher, you're just a big distraction. So give me give me the funny things that distract me. At least it's a a meaningful use of time. Paulina: But that's a good point that you bring up about this idea of health choices. Right? That some people's algorithm is just that, right? And when talking about optimizing our lives and whatever whatever that means for every person, you know, has their own sort of idea of optimizing their lives. a lot of people right now are getting into running and fitness and I don't know, biking and Whatever, like and you know, for me as a person who right now I don't really I'm not a huge fan of like constantly just working out and whatever. I did my fair share of working out when I was much younger from gymnastics to bowling. No, from gymnastics Carson: see, I was gonna say Paulina: to to aerial yoga. sorry Carson, you were going to say about the bowling, yeah, I know. Carson: No, I wasn't, I wasn't. I was gonna say bowling. I was gonna say now we're Paulina: Yeah. Carson: gonna go bowling and you're gonna embarrass me. Paulina: Yeah. and you know, I did a lot of gym workouts when I was in my early twenties and whatever. Obviously I probably should get back into working and going to the gym and being a little bit more consistent with workouts as we get older, you know, it's like the thing that you do because you know it's good for you. But some people really put themselves at these extremes, you know, because th it's trendy because everyone is doing it. I have people Carson: CrossFit. Paulina: Yeah. Yeah. That's a big one. It's like it's like a cult, you know? and of course some people do it because Carson: You guys. Respect. Paulina: sorry? Carson: I was just saying respect, but some of y'all took both the red and the blue pill and are like give me all that. Paulina: Yeah, I mean, I think there there is like, you know, some people who do it because they truly actually enjoy it. And then there is this idea who idea of like, you know, that people do this to so to say, be a better person, but they take it to an extreme. And I think it's I'm somewhere in that middle where I think it's important to to yes, be a better person to you know, improve ourselves to constantly work to do something better. But remember that at the end of the day, you're doing that for you. You're not doing that to constantly post it online to you know for others. You're doing that for yourself. Like if you want to go to the gym, I don't know, five times a week, make sure that you're doing that for for yourself. Not so you can post photos or videos or whatever. If I don't know you're trying to think of other hobbies that people have. But I don't know, if you're going snowboarding every single weekend, great, if you can fucking afford that, that's one, right? To go snowboarding every single weekend. But make sure that you're practicing that for yourself. That you're doing that to actually enjoy it instead of just posting it to post it because you want to see like you're optimizing your life. Carson: Yeah, well I mean except for the influent like influencers who are just out there trying to get the likes. I mean, in some cases they are helping me like snowboard tutorial, like helping people learn this basic move. Like there's usefulness in this, but I hear what you're saying. There are a lot of people also out there for the superficial, like, I just want people to see that I'm doing cool things all the time. You could easily Brandon: Exactly. Carson: fall into that trap of of just, I want to see more likes. I want to see more followers. I judge my existence and the quality of the things I do based on how many people give me validation. Like so typical. no. Brandon: Do think that's also how they get paid? So the more likes Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: they get, the more followers, more people tuning in to whatever they're doing, well they make more money. So they exactly. Carson: Yeah. See you justify it, yeah. Brandon: That's their justification Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: why I do this, because I get money. And it's not like Paulina says people doing something because they actually like it, it's good for them. They do it because, well, in the end, as you said before, it feeds me. Paulina: Yeah, but we're talking here about like influencers, right? Like people who actually have their following or whatever. But everyday regular people, I see it so often, you know, people constantly posting that I'm here, I'm doing this, I'm doing this, I'm I don't know, having breakfast somewhere. and it's like, why do I give a shit where you're having your breakfast? Like, you know, it's like, yes, you want to optimize your life, you want to go out more, you want to do You don't need to be posting a story every five minutes that you're, I don't know, at a new coffee shop, then you're at a different brunch place, then you're going out for dinner with your friends. Be with your fucking friends, talk to your partner instead of posting the photos, you know? And I get it. Like, yes, you want to maybe sometimes give a recommendation of that place or but if you're not an influencer, like why why do we care where I don't know where you take a fucking dump. Like Carson: I think it's it's also a call for help for a lot of people. It's this loneliness thing that you don't really know you're Paulina: Yeah. Carson: you're going through. And people kind of feel a little less bad about it if they're at least putting themselves out there. They feel like they are putting themselves out there, even though it's really not. That's not how you form connection by just getting people to approve of you, of of your choices. But yeah, I mean there's there's that as well. I don't I kinda just laugh. I don't laugh, but I I don't take the statistics so seriously that I see online because my brother and I were talking about the other day. I mean, you just don't know how much of it is fake, how much of it is AI, how much of it's inflated or one sided, and it's really like truth is getting really, really hard to decipher. It's becoming more and more subjective to like what your perception of reality is. But yeah, I mean, unfortunately You know, there's a there's mental illness that's been created and transformed because of social media, because of tech AI and our reliance on it. And then this kind of substitution for human connection that we don't we're like we're signing up for, we're accepting the terms, but we're both so I mean we're both at the same time oblivious as well as fully aware and we just we can't Brandon: Exactly. Carson: stop going back to it. Just like, give me more of that. I want more. Wake up. You know, looking at a phone more per day. Whether you maybe you're not spending more time on it, but maybe you're opening that more. Maybe you have a little anxiety because of that. You just kinda whether or not you have notifications turned on, like maybe you just there's something about it. Like you feel connected. You feel you feel like it is it's still good. It could be good. You're optimistic that it could be maybe maybe it is not a bad thing and all this hype about like anti social media or restrictions and for for young people, maybe it's not so bad and people are just being too sensitive about it. Brandon: addicted to our phones and everything. Paulina: Yeah. And I think Carson: Totally. Paulina: sorry, Brendan, go ahead. Brandon: No, no, no, I was gonna say that when we went to the Brutal Mars concert, which was amazing, anyone. If you have the opportunity, go see it. But it's like no one was actually like enjoying the concert. Everyone had their phone out, recorded it. There was a there was a guy in front of us that recorded the entire concert. The entire time, the two and a half, almost three hours, he had his phone out and he recorded the entire thing. And there's just so many people that are with the phone and not enjoying the actual moment and listening to the music and being there dancing and singing and I don't know, it's it's it's quite sad actually. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: Very sad. Paulina: I mean I'm partially guilty of this because when I go to concerts I also take photos and a little bit of videos, but I don't stand there for the whole concert recording it, you know? Like I'll take, I don't know, a 30 second video of the part that I really like, or a photo Brandon: Exactly. Paulina: of, you know, when the person is much closer, you know, to me and then I'll take a photo, whatever, but not the whole entire show, you know? And at the end of the day, you when you When you really think about it, how many times do you go back to actually rewatch those videos, you know? Carson: Dziękuję. Brandon: Exactly, you're never gonna go and watch it. Like you're actually there live, like enjoy it now and Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: but whatever. Carson: It's like I'm gonna save this for later. I'm gonna save this for the future. When I wanna share it with a friend, when I want to post it and say, I did this, I saw this cool band. But it's not gonna be anywhere near like recreating the experience of this is how it sounded, like this was the energy in the crowd. This like the weather, you didn't get to see the sunset. my gosh, the whole day was this was this event, was this vibe. Like you'll never get that with the video that you recorded. I mean, as great as the video could be. It's not gonna take you back to that core memory, but if your memory of it is gone because you were actually viewing it through a screen, then you were actually never fully in the moment. But that's what we do so easily. It's it's another, I think, another part of like the whole thing, I gotta have something to show for this experience I call life. I gotta have it on recording. Like, but we all know how long it takes to go back through photos that we took five, 10 years ago. Like that takes a minute. You gotta you gotta sit down and actually look at these photos and be like, Why did I say this? Or where was that? Or like it brings up some other memories, you know, but but videos videos. You're not going through those. And you're not gonna enjoy it. It's not gonna be the same. Brandon: Definitely not. Paulina: Yeah, but but Carson, as you said, that we're missing those those moments, right? And for or like because we want to share it later, you know, to s say like, this is what my life looks like. But in reality our lives normally don't look like that. It's not like we go to concerts every single day. It's not like we're traveling every weekend, right? So it's almost creating this like this illusion, right, of like I always feel like people have almost like a different persona online. Right? Not always, but very often, right? that we almost like curated this little different persona online versus the person the person that we actually are. You know? And obviously if you have your if you have a business, if you're an influencer or whatever, like you're going to be a different person in in person versus online but I also see this with everyday regular folk and sometimes you're thinking like how how are you so different online versus in person you know for me sometimes like I think I'm like it's mind blowing like they change even the way that they talk the their mannerism their whatever Really? I don't know. For me it's just it's just mind boggling. I don't know if you guys have ever seen that, but Carson: I've never known somebody to where I could say your actual behavior is different from your online behavior. I don't I don't really see it in myself because I don't post a lot. I kind of I'm like slow to open up online. I'm a little more private. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: But I think just in the in the fact that people are willing to record certain things that they're doing alone, selfie stuff, or that they want to like share with the online community. It's kinda like, okay, so I had a salad too the other day. Dust do I need to like share with you my salad that I made. And it's probably the same salad I make once or twice a week. For example. It's the food stuff. It's the It's a kinda whole like, just look at me. Look at what I'm doing. Make me feel good about what I'm doing because I spent my hard earned cash on this. And I have the hard earned cash Brandon: Yeah. Carson: to use for this. But it's just much less meaningful than a real relationship with a human. Brandon: The world we live in now. Carson: Or with a core memory. I think I'm getting off track. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: But but you're right. I think, you know, it's just people we're we're so like connected to our phones. I mean, we're we're doing a fucking podcast. We're also connected to our screens, right? We're connected to our phones. I post reels and Carson: Yeah, but this is a sho this is a social hour. You know, this is our social hour. I Paulina: Yeah. Yeah, I know. Carson: it's not ideal, we'd rather do this in person, but Paulina: Course, yeah. With Carson: Yeah. Paulina: a couple of beers and you know but but in general, like it's it's just this is what it has become, and sometimes I think about like what did people do? Because I like completely forgot like what did people do before internet existed and when they wanted to say that they're doing something, like they would just I'm I'm assuming they would just go to another person's house and be like, Hey, I'm starting this business. Hey, I'm starting this project. Like and you shared with the people who were the closest to you. Or you wouldn't. Brandon: It was face to face. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: You had to communicate that way, where obviously you know by phone you can call someone, but it was more face to face. And now it doesn't exist but it exists, but it's something that's not really done because everything's done digitally with the phone. Carson: So do y'all do anything special to like limit your time on screens on your phone or your laptop? Like it's very easy to pick up one dev drop one device, pick up another and think that you're doing something different. But Brandon: I have a timer. Well I in summer I cut it off because I don't know. Because I use it more, but once school starts again I'll put the timer on, but usually I don't I don't use it. I think it was twenty minutes of Instagram. And I only think usually Carson: Pretty good. Brandon: I don't use it. Especially once during the weekend school's going, impossible. Carson: You don't use the twenty. You don't even use Yeah, wow. You're a busy guy. Brandon: Like I've I but not the fact like I try not to. Like I usually when I get on Instagram it's nothing nothing here for me really. So basically it's just a you see is someone sent me a message. Which is usually the case. Someone sent me a message and or it's probably expired it 'cause it was a story from three days ago. But I get on and I see that and that's it because well like we talked about this before. You get on Instagram and you just see stuff that it's not people that you follow. It's all ads, different things and it's just like I don't have time for that. Carson: Yeah. Well I do the timer as well. Mine's thirty minutes. Some I mean the the unfortunate side is I have the option, as you know, to add ten minutes for today. Add an hour for today. Paulina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Carson: no limit today. I'm like, it's the weekend. I'm not gonna put limits on myself. Paulina: Ha ha ha. Carson: And then I'm like, how much time did I spend on Instagram? Hour and a half. Damn. Too much. But I do that. I put my phone down like an hour before bed. Just like even if it's just lying there looking at the ceiling, it's better than looking at the phone. Brandon: Yeah. Carson: I mean, that's my optimization. Like that's that's as far as I take it. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna just cool down, try to not think about anything, or just let my mind go wherever it goes, let it go. Not gonna let the phone dictate my thoughts or the pattern or you know, memories, things I need to think about for tomorrow. So that works. I do feel like I I have more relaxed dreams and my energy is just better when I get into bed. So that's that's something that's my optimization trick, really. I mean, I have a lot for for health, like or for fitness and health, yeah, but for for winding down, put that shit away. No l no bright lights, no loud noises, you know, just natural light if you can, no light, low light. Brandon: I leave my phone in the living room. Carson: Smart. Paulina: You guys are so much better at this than I am. Carson: We're fairly optimized. I don't know you need to Brandon: It trust me, it's it's worth it. It's worth it. It's definitely worth it. Carson: certain certain things you've got to optimize. Yeah. Paulina: You guys are fully optimizing your life. Yeah. No, I honestly I don't have any like timers set on Instagram, on TikTok, or whatever. But at the same time, I don't spend a lot of time on TikTok or Instagram. Like on Instagram I mainly use it now for for the group chat and every now and then I don't I don't even post that much on my own Instagram as an Instagram. You know, like I used to I feel like I used to post a lot more when I was like, I don't know, in my early twenties. It was like every day it was a five different parts of a story and whatever. Like now I still post, but it has to be really like a special day where I post like five stories in a row. TikTok, like I said, I mainly use it for for writing. and I don't really spend a lot of time there either. There was a time, I would say a year and a half where I was getting my TikTok started for for writing and for creative purposes that yes, I put in a lot more time. But now I don't know, maybe I open the TikTok app and I'm there for I don't know, five minutes and then I'm like, okay, I I don't feel like looking through anything anymore. And I don't open it until the next day. Within I like I feel like I have enough self control. To actually just be like, okay, I've watched three different reels. Okay, I don't feel like watching it anymore. And put it aside. so I don't I don't have any timers set for for that reason because I feel like I have enough self-control to actually not just sit there and scroll through reels. Like I know when it's the time to be like, okay, Paulina, focus. You need to get to work, you need to do this, you need to clean up in the house. I put on a podcast, I put on some music and I start doing other things. Carson: Well yeah, because we came out of it, like we went through it and we're coming out of it, that whole like hook, line and sinker. That's a hook. Hook line and sinker social media trap, like addicted, Paulina: Mm-hmm. Carson: addicted lifestyle. I spent five hours on Instagram yesterday. You know, true life. I'm Instagram addict. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: so we yeah, like like you said, you just have to know when to put it down. and take care of adult shit. Like you have adulting to do. You have it's Brandon: Every day. Carson: unfortunate. It's unfortunate kids, but you Paulina: Yeah. Yeah. Carson: gotta learn some point. Put the damn thing Paulina: For sure. Carson: down. It's full of lies. It's a trap. They're trying to get you to think one way. They want everybody to do the same thing, wear the same clothes, have the same gadgets, have the same dreams, have the same doubts. That's where we're headed. I mean, we've always been heading that way, but it seems more and more that we're just waking up to that reality and we don't like it. And we're and we're not gonna sit by and let it happen. So feel empowered. Paulina: And how yeah. And how do you guys optimize your your lives? If you guys do optimize your lives in any way. I know you guys mentioned like, you know, putting your phone on silent or meeting the the notifications, I don't know, putting your phone in the living room when you're going to sleep, all of those things, but do you guys have any other like outside of the the idea of like the cell phone? What do you guys think you do in order to optimize your lives? I know Carson, you said health and fitness, you have plenty of tips for that, but Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He's like, Yeah, yeah. People people that are they're just listening to the podcast and Spotify can't see that, but Carson was nodding his head. He was like, Mm-hmm. Carson: Mm-hmm. Brandon: Hm. So yes I do. Carson: There's a lot. Walk every day, twenty or thirty Paulina: yeah. Carson: minutes. You will never regret that. You're never gonna say, Man, I wish I hadn't gone for that walk. I mean, you will if you go for the walk at like twelve in the afternoon or two, or it's the hottest part of the day, but if you want to Paulina: Seven dogs. Carson: you want to Just be and do something simple. It gets you out of your head. Do it at the beginning of the day, do it at the end of the day. Do it both both times. That for me helps me just reset and get off of that treadmill of I have to do this, I have to do that. Just just go for a walk. Just you'll come back and you'll do the things you have to do, but in that moment, you're taking care of yourself. Giving yourself permission to say, Hey, I can take care of myself. This is healthy, for my skin, for my eyes, for my brain. I feel rejuvenated, I come back and I continue. whether it's waking up or going to sleep or winding down, I mean the walk is the sunlight just in general. I would say that's probably the the biggest thing that you can't argue with. You're inside all the time. Not good for the this organism. Now walk it up, now walk it up, walk it up. Isabera. Brandon: Mm-hmm. Carson: Sasab. Paulina: Get out. Carson: All right, fine. No Brandon: Okay. I Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: don't know. I think for me it'd probably just be like some type of well, pretty much the same as Carson, like just some type of movement. Like during the summer we're in here at the beach. Well yeah, we're always walking either in the morning or in the evening, so it's not really that big of a deal. But once you get into the routine and during the school year, during everything, like I need that time to at least well, either go to the gym, go play tennis, like go for a walk, even send the city, but something movement and you're outside and you're not worried about anything else or or everything else that's happening, you just focus on yourself. Paulina: So you guys you guys walk a lot and there's me sitting in my house keeping online. No, I mean I try Brandon: With with your cats. Paulina: I try to go on for for walks. And if it's not for walks, it's even like just going to the to the supermarket, you know, like just getting outside of the house to to get fresh air. Like just the idea of you know, when you work from home, it's even difficult to just get out of the house sometimes, you know, like Carson: Yeah, I imagine. Paulina: it's so hot and like You have plenty, you have things to do, you don't feel like it, whatever, you're like nice, you know, at home with the AC on. but I always try to say, Okay, every day I probably should go outside. Even if it's to my balcony, like, you know, like just stand outside, like get some fresh air, have like a cup of coffee or whatever. but for me the the the important thing is like I always try to read. at least a little bit like even if it's five pages to read every day. Carson: That one. Paulina: For the fact that I feel like we're constantly connected to a screen and constantly are watching reels, shorts, whatever, and it's like our brains are just with so much information that it's sometimes just like useless. Like, why do I need to know, like, you know, why who is eating what salad, what day, whatever. So to just disconnect from all that noise, sit down with an actual book. I don't know, sniff the book. I don't know. I I like the smell of books, but to to sit and be in like a different reality. You know? my god, Carson, what is he gonna do? Brandon: He's g he's going to get a book and he's gonna sniff it. Paulina: To sniff a book. You've never sniffed a book before? Carson: Yeah. Paulina: I'm scared. Brandon: There we go. Paulina: my god. What is my? Brandon: Definitely. Carson: There's something special about that. Did you I'm not this is a book I just think I got for free. Paulina: okay. Brandon: Sorry, it's good. Carson: Can't tell ya. Paulina: He hasn't ready. Brandon: That's it. Carson: probably have read two or three pages. I think they're short stories. It was Brandon: That's a start. Carson: they're just giving books away one day, I think at Georgia State. It's short stories, poetry Hmm. But I have it. I have something I can breathe. Brandon: There you go. Paulina: Yeah. But it's it's a nice habit to have, right? To to read. Because we're we're so we're so Carson: Smell you every day. Paulina: connected to our phones that like to actually read something that is not news on the phone. Brandon: Yeah. Carson: Right. So these are Paulina: Somebody that put thought Carson: words that somebody said at some point in time. They were true to that person. They thought it was worth sharing. It may be completely irrelevant from your algorithm or your feed. But hey, it smells good. Your screen does not smell good. It depends on what you Paulina: No, and it probably has one two. Carson: were just eating, it smells like your hands. But it's there's these are special. You're right. I agree Brandon: Yeah. Carson: with you. Brandon: That's what I do. When I leave my book, or my book my phone in the living room, I read. But right now I'm I'm using my Kindle. So so it's still a screen but it's not my phone. So it's better than nothing. Carson: Yeah, but it has a purpose. That's its purpose and it's Brandon: Exactly. Carson: has one job. It's not, you know. True. Yeah, so what, Amazon's burning books? I think Anthropic has also a similar program where they're going through books, they're mutilating them, taking their pages, feeding them to the computers. No need for those books anymore. Just let somebody else change what somebody wrote fifty years ago to suit the you know, the agenda of some politician. Nothing Nothing creepy going Brandon: It's a Carson: on at all. Fuck it guys. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: Get it together. Like get it together. That's just Brandon: The world we live in. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: Yeah, that's bullshit. There's a lot of bullshit. I see people talking about the environment, talking about well, we could go way political on this, but burning books. Burning burning Paulina: Yeah, let's let's not get into that. That'll be a discussion for a different episode, no? Carson: books that I never use. That's not right. But I'm glad y'all read. I feel like this Paulina: I Sorry? Carson: is an intervention, like Carson read a fucking boat. Paulina: Yes. Yes. Brandon: I don't read as much as I would like to. Carson: No, I read. I read. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: Exactly. That's that's it. I read, but it takes me a while to finish a book or I just pick up two or three and I'm not really into e any of them or either of them. And so that's what takes longer. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: Understandable. Brandon: I have three going right now. Paulina: Time. Yeah. Brandon: Not very efficient. We're not very optimized there. Paulina: No. And it's like every day I choose a different Carson: There's an app for that. Paulina: one. Of course, there is enough for everything. But on that note, I think for me the important thing, I don't know if you guys will agree, when it comes to no, Carson said no, he's not gonna agree. Brandon: Okay. Paulina: to optimize our lives is and this is something that I always will repeat, to be a little bit better or a better version of yourself than you were yesterday. even if it's just slightly better. Right? Even if you do one thing that is different that makes you feel a little bit happier or move forward or whatever, I think that's the best the best thing. Best optimization. Brandon: Down with her. Carson: I think it I Paulina: this is Carson: think it's the truth. I don't know if it should be the goal, but I feel like it is what happens. I feel like it is what's occurring every day when you wake up. You're you know, you've processed what happened to you the day before, the lessons you've learned, the reinforcement you made and the good things that you did. and also some, hey, maybe we should try this a different way. And that gives you this better, you know, you're you're better off for it. You can Maybe finally have that conversation with the person you've been putting off, thing that might help them, might help you, might help your relationship, or or just maybe how you see something going on in the world that you kind of, you know, doesn't sit well with you. Maybe you can just see it a different way. And just experiment with different perspectives. I think it's the best thing. Ask questions. You know, don't just take it for what they tell you it is. Really See if that's the truth for you. but also don't be blind to your biased, you know, to you you you yourself are biased and and that's okay. And you don't have to be perfect and you're never gonna be. So Paulina: That's that's what I'm saying. Even if it's a little bit, it's always better, right? Because you say that most of us that all of us wake up, right, and we have this reflection. Mm, I wouldn't say, right? There Carson: I wouldn't say it's a active reflection, but it's kind of like this Paulina: Yeah. Carson: thing that creeps into the day and it and it shows itself over the the Brandon: Yeah, you think about it. Carson: next twenty four Paulina: Some people. But I feel like there are also some people that just go about their lives and they're like, whatever, like whatever Carson: sure. Paulina: happens will happen, you know. Let it let it be the way it is. I don't need improvement. I'm perfect, whatever. Maybe not perfect, but there are many people that think Carson: Push, push. Paulina: that Yeah. Yeah. Brandon: But happy, but as it is, as it is. Carson: Yeah. Yeah, that's the anti optimization people. They're just kinda like fuck you trying to tell me I can do the better. I am not following this girl, but Instagram wants me to. She's very big. She's very big very big girl. I don't know how old she is. I say girl, so maybe she's in her twenties, early thirties. You say her thing is saying, I'm a big girl who loves to eat and then it's all all this food. And it looks delicious. She's having a great time. She's living her life. Is it healthy? No, it's not. It's not optimizing anything except for maybe her her influence over people who want to see her eat. And it's funny. She's like, I'm a big girl who loves to e and it's like, that's hilarious, dude. But my my laughter and s my big eyes is making you feel better about yourself. If it is, I'll have what you're having because I don't know, I couldn't see myself and be and feel good about it. but Paulina: Yeah. Carson: but her anti optimization in a sense is her optimization. If she's making Paulina: Yeah. Carson: the best out of the situation, maybe she could Brandon: Situation, yeah. Carson: be, you know, maybe she's not well. Maybe she's calling out for help in a in a weird way, but and if she's not and she's just living her best life and you know, I'll I'm all I'm here for it. Like enjoy yourself. You look like you're eating delicious food. I would share a meal with you. You seem you seem like lot of fun. Like let's let's eat some nachos like this high. That's cool. but yeah. Some people are going the whole other direction with it and that's just viral. That's just like extravagant. People are all amazed by the shock value or rage bait or whatever it might be. You know, there's so much emotion at play. They're just high hijacking emotions, essentially what We're all going through. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon, thoughts? Brandon: Gotta be stoic. No emotions. That's the best. Paulina: Mm-hmm. Carson: Let go of the emotions. Brandon: Let it all go. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: Try. Brandon: It's difficult. Like I said before, like everything's changed. The world we live in is Very different. And also like I think it's very sad. I think like Carson, you're just talking about the the lady, like she's eating all that food. Like you said, well maybe she does enjoy it, but more than likely she's not enjoying it. She's doing it for the views, for the likes and all that. And and the entire time you're talking about that, I'm just thinking about the future. Like she's eating all this stuff. Like you said, she's already a large person, so it's only gonna get worse. I'm thinking about all the health problems they're gonna that she's gonna have. All for likes and views and it's just like we have to get beyond that Carson: In the end it's a very sad story. Brandon: Exactly, we have to get beyond that. Like everything's about the likes and the views and everything. Like we have to actually think about ourselves as human beings and what we're doing to ourselves and how it's influencing other people. I don't know. In general, social media and everything it's it's more down a bad road. It's not there's always good stuff but if we're wrong, I think the things that are bad are pretty bad. Carson: to agree with you there. Paulina: Yeah. anyways, anyone? Carson: What would you do? What would you tell yourself, your younger self, if you could about, for example, for me, Instagram, what would I tell myself? What would be good to know now? It's gonna get more addictive. Maybe I never thought of as it as something I could get addicted to, but if in the beginning somebody told me it's gonna get way more addictive, you just wait. If they had given me some kind of warning, then maybe Brandon: Exactly. Carson: I would have seen it earlier and maybe I wouldn't be on it. And honestly, sometimes I feel like getting off of it completely. It's a little, a little difficult. Impossible if you think about work. I mean Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: necessary. And it's also changed over time. It's not what it was, you think about when it first started to what it is now. But that's all social media. Paulina: Yeah, very different. We talked about this in a different episode. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: Like Instagram was completely different. so I agree with you, Carson, that maybe if we would have known how Instagram would look like, would we really create those accounts? Like would we be more than willing just to sign up for and have the accounts that we have now? Or as you said, there's also the the counter-argument that right now it's almost impossible to to not have an Instagram because if you don't have an Instagram people look at you like you're weird and like completely disconnected and from another fucking planet. Carson: Well, we wouldn't have a podcast. We had we would have no publicity if we couldn't get on a radio station and nobody listens to the radio anymore. Unless you have Paulina: yeah. Yeah. Carson: Sirius XM, that's not a lot of people in the grand scheme of things. It's not enough to Brandon: Not anymore. Carson: you know not like we're doing it for that. We're not doing it for the likes, but if you have something that's even remotely connected to tech and sharing and you know, you wanna be out there, put yourself really put yourself out there, you gotta do it on the internet. Word of mouth. You're just a small fish in a big pond. What are you gonna do? Brandon: Think about like originally, so once again, I'm the OG. So when Facebook started in the university 2006, like you had to wait because it went like by from one university to the next, it was like little by little. Of course, my university was a small one. So we were like one of the last, not the one of the last, but it took us a while to get it. And I think about how everything has changed so much in 20 years from it literally been like this. little program on your on your computer to talk to other people at your school or from other schools to to this massive world that we live in now that's just completely different than what it was in the beginning and it's insane. Carson: And all the litigation and all the security settings and privacy settings you Brandon: Yeah. Carson: can go through on Facebook because they wanna be up front, but they're still gonna steal from you. Right right in front of your face. Brandon: Yeah. Any anything you put on there is theirs. On their platform is theirs. So yeah. Carson: Fucking fuck. Brandon: All right. Carson: Well, people, it seems like we're Paulina: That be all? Carson: we're ready to wrap things up. you know what? Everybody's Paulina: Yeah, Brandon: Okay. Carson: social battery is just it's that time of day. You know, it's actually Paulina: Friends. It's Sunday night. Carson: it's it's Sunday night for us recording. It's an hour earlier for me in Canadias, but Paulina: Not sure. Carson: Lanzarote, that's what I view here. Brandon: That's wrapping it. Carson: Thank you for watching, guys. We hope you got something out of this. We come here to try to be real with you guys, You know, we're three friends living in different places. I don't know where this is going. Fucking restart, restart, restart, restart. Brandon: Rewind. Paulina: I don't know. We're we're here to Carson: I'm not gonna sign off. Paulina: We're here to motivate you t to optimize your live. I don't know. Brandon: Uh-huh. Carson: You know, I don't wanna do sign off. It's just we'll see you on the next one. Take it easy. Paulina: Yeah, exactly. Bye. Carson: Much love. Brandon: Yes. I surprised by that for some reason. Carson: That's bizarre. Brandon: Bizarre. Carson: Bazaar.