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EXPLOSIVE DOCS CRACK EPSTEIN SEX PROBE WIDE OPEN, CLIENTS REVEAL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Explosive documents set to crack the Epstein sex probe, wide
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  Speaker 2: open clients list revealed.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us.
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  Speaker 3: New Epstein files are teased to be released, as Attorney
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  Speaker 3: General Pam Bundy promises many more files to come.
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  Speaker 2: At this hour, we are learning that Presidential Counselor Alena
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  Speaker 2: Haba says that prosecutions will absolutely go forward based on
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  Speaker 2: what is discovered in the Epstein files.
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  Speaker 1: But who, what, where, when? Why? Listen to Haba?
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  Speaker 4: Do you think by releasing information from these files we
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  Speaker 4: are likely to see criminal actions being taken?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 2: There is Haba speaking to our friend Piers Morgan on
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  Speaker 2: Peers Morgan uncensored and she's joined with the US Attorney
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  Speaker 2: General Pam BONDI.
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  Speaker 5: The source had told me where the documents were being kept,
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  Speaker 5: Southern District of New York.
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  Speaker 1: Shock.
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  Speaker 5: So we got them all by, hopefully all of them
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  Speaker 5: Friday at eight am, thousands of pages of documents.
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  Speaker 1: That from our friends at Fox News.
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  Speaker 2: That is the US Attorney General, the top cop for
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  Speaker 2: our entire country. Now they are saying that documents have
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  Speaker 2: been stored. I don't know what that means in the
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  Speaker 2: Southern District of New York. Now, she said, shocker. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure what she means by that. I can only suppose,
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  Speaker 2: so I'll move forward. Stored. Why are they being stored?
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand that because let me go straight out
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  Speaker 2: to Angrea Lewis joining me now partner at Sercy Law
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  Speaker 2: form in Palm Beach, Florida. But for my purposes former
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  Speaker 2: felony prosecutor in Palm Beach County.
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  Speaker 1: When Epstein's sweetheart.
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  Speaker 2: Deal, it makes me sit gag when I think about
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  Speaker 2: that deal. I should probably hold you personally responsible, but
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  Speaker 2: since you weren't there at a time at the time,
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  Speaker 2: I guess I can't. But why would these documents be stored?
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  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't they be evaluated, analyzed to determine if there
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  Speaker 2: are other code defendits other than Epstein and his pamp
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  Speaker 2: Julaine Maxwell.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Nancy, you just hit the nail on the head.
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  Speaker 6: And to be clear, I was not at the office
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  Speaker 6: when this case was prosecuted, thankfully, because I do believe
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  Speaker 6: that this was a serious miscarriage of justice. He should
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  Speaker 6: have never gotten the sentence that he got.
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  Speaker 1: It was ludicrous.
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  Speaker 6: That said, to your question about this evidence being stored, well, naturally,
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  Speaker 6: anytime there's a case like this, you would expect that
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  Speaker 6: the evidence is being held somewhere, but it's also generally
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  Speaker 6: available on electronic format. We can see that in the
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  Speaker 6: evidence log that we've received. All that they have given
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  Speaker 6: us so far is this evidence log detailing that there
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  Speaker 6: are in fact, photos, videos, witness statements, a laundry list
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  Speaker 6: of other evidence out there that has never been disclosed
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  Speaker 6: to this day.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just cut through it.
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  Speaker 2: Who do you think that Epstein and Juliane Maxwell, his
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  Speaker 2: hinch person are hanging out with nuns and priests and virgins.
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  Speaker 2: They're rich, they're child molesters, they're trafficking young girls.
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  Speaker 1: So who do rich people hang out with? Andrea? Other
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  Speaker 1: rich people? Who do you think, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Deduction, who is going to be in the Epstein files?
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  Speaker 2: Other rich and influential people just like him. That's why
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  Speaker 2: they're sitting on it. That's why, well.
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  Speaker 6: That's exactly why someone needs to go through them, and
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  Speaker 6: they need to stop talking about it, and they need
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  Speaker 6: to stop saying they're going to be prosecuting people and
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  Speaker 6: then actually do it.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, you just heard Alena Hubba speaking to our friend
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  Speaker 2: Piers Morgan, and you heard the AGAPM BONDI saying we're
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  Speaker 2: on it, We're on it. The files have been stored
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  Speaker 2: in the Southern District of New York. What else does
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  Speaker 2: she have to say?
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  Speaker 5: Director Patel is going to get us a detailed report
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  Speaker 5: as to why the FBI withheld all of those documents.
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  Speaker 1: That from our friends at Fox News.
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  Speaker 2: So they're going through it all right now, let me
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  Speaker 2: understand any summer joining me crime online dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein died years.
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  Speaker 2: Ago at NBC Metropolitan Detention Center. How long have they
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  Speaker 2: had since Epstein died to go through these files?
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  Speaker 7: Nancy?
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  Speaker 8: Now we're going on six years that they've had the
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  Speaker 8: opportunity to go through these files release them to the
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  Speaker 8: American public, acute people who were involved in this horrific
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  Speaker 8: sex trafficking ring.
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  Speaker 2: So years have passed, you know, I'm gonna circle back
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  Speaker 2: in just a moment to doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former associate
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  Speaker 2: warden at MDC. A lot a lot of murky water
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  Speaker 2: surrounding the death of Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: Just think about it, think about it.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all, all right,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think people can keep there yet shut long
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  Speaker 2: enough to maintain a conspiracy like OJA was framed and
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  Speaker 2: didn't happen. However, in this case, what could be the
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  Speaker 2: delay in making these files public? What could possibly be
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  Speaker 2: the delay and us finding out who were the cohorts
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  Speaker 2: and possible codefendants of Jeffrey Epstein? And is very wide
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  Speaker 2: ranging child sex trafficking ring, Well we know a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more.
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  Speaker 9: Listen, After just two weeks in office, Attorney General Pam
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  Speaker 9: Bondi announces the release of documents related to the late
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  Speaker 9: financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Bondi says that
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  Speaker 9: the delay in releasing the documents is due to efforts
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  Speaker 9: to redact sensitive information to protect the over two hundred
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  Speaker 9: victims privacy. The so called Phase one release is expected
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  Speaker 9: to include flight logs and names of individuals associated with Epstein.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Joining me is doctor Kimberly Melman, Erosco executive director
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  Speaker 2: of Freedom Light, human trafficking expert witness, author of Hidden
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  Speaker 2: and Plane Sight America, Slaves of the New Millennium. You
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  Speaker 2: have uncovered so much regarding sex trafficking and child sex trafficking.
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  Speaker 2: I got a pretty good feeling at this point. Epstein's
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  Speaker 2: been dead for years, many say, murdered in MDC because
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  Speaker 2: they they the elusive. They did not want their names
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  Speaker 2: dragged through the mud. So I've got a pretty good
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  Speaker 2: feeling doctor that at this point the victims really don't
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  Speaker 2: care if their names are out there as long as
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  Speaker 2: they can get justice. Who do you think is being
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  Speaker 2: protected by not releasing these documents the victims, because I'm
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  Speaker 2: not buying that.
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  Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, First, I do disagree with you. I do
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  Speaker 10: think that the victims still do want some anonymity, They
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  Speaker 10: do want their names protected, at least some of them.
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  Speaker 10: The issue here is, and this is something that is
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  Speaker 10: very very key, some of these victims recruited others. Admittedly
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  Speaker 10: this is in the media. They recruited others for payment.
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  Speaker 10: Some of them were able to rebuff his sexual advances
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  Speaker 10: and instead recruited their friends. So where do you draw
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  Speaker 10: the line between victim and co conspirator? And that's an
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  Speaker 10: issue that they're going to have, and they're going to
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  Speaker 10: face the issue that.
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  Speaker 2: I pretty good idea where to draw the line, doctor,
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Kimberly melim or Osco. And that would be anyone
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  Speaker 2: that was ever forced into sex or lured into with
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, I would consider a victim. Doctor Bethany Marshall
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  Speaker 2: with me, psychoanalyst. You have analyzed the victims of child
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  Speaker 2: sex trafficking many many times, and these are children as
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  Speaker 2: young as fourteen, and I believe younger. If Epstein or
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  Speaker 2: Julanne Maxwell got one of these little girls to go
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  Speaker 2: speak to her little girl friends, I still consider the
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  Speaker 2: original girl to be a victim.
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  Speaker 11: I do too, because Jeffrey Epstein groomed them, and when
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  Speaker 11: a victim is groomed, they lose perspective. And also the
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  Speaker 11: grooming takes place in the context of an interpersonal relationship
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  Speaker 11: where they maybe felt that Epstein was going to be
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  Speaker 11: mad at them, disappointed in them, maybe withdraw financial reward,
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  Speaker 11: punish them in some way. So that strong, strong attachment
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  Speaker 11: system and confusion over whether they're to blame or he's
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  Speaker 11: to blame is going to drive them towards behaviors that
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  Speaker 11: they would not normally engage in.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, I feel sick right now.
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  Speaker 2: I think I just saw a picture of Epstein and
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  Speaker 2: Juline Maxwell.
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  Speaker 1: Did he actually have on one of those.
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  Speaker 2: Big bear hats that the guards at Buckingham Palace have
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, that's just Julaine.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh, oh, my goodness.
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  Speaker 2: When I think about these two rolling in money, multi millionaires,
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  Speaker 2: homes all over the world, mansions all over the world,
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  Speaker 2: and who do they pick out, doctor Kimberly melman Erosco.
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  Speaker 2: They pick out runaways. They pick out children, girls from
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  Speaker 2: single parent homes where the mom's working. Like I would
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  Speaker 2: come home from school and nobody be there. Both my
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  Speaker 2: parents were working. But these girls only had one parent
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  Speaker 2: at home, coming from a broken family, feeling bad about themselves,
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  Speaker 2: blaming themselves, possibly for the breakup or I don't. They
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  Speaker 2: targeted girls with problems and those were their victims. These
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  Speaker 2: two multi millionaires that were born with silver spoons up
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  Speaker 2: their wear ends target these little girls.
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  Speaker 1: There they are on their private playing you know what?
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  Speaker 1: Bite me?
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  Speaker 2: Why do they target little girls like this, doctor Nancy.
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  Speaker 10: This is a common tactics that is used by anyone
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  Speaker 10: looking to victimize another. They look for a child or
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  Speaker 10: a person who has avoided in their life. If they
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  Speaker 10: look at Maslow's higher give needs. What do they need?
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  Speaker 10: Are they housing insecure? Food insecure? Do they have low
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  Speaker 10: self esteem? Do they have the desire for self actualization.
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  Speaker 10: They're making false promises. The reality is, though he also
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  Speaker 10: bribed them with money, and it wasn't just little girls
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  Speaker 10: and children, it was adults who were recruiting others. And
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  Speaker 10: those adults also self proclaimed to be victims. So that's
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  Speaker 10: the issue here when we're looking through these records. Yes,
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  Speaker 10: I agree with you one hundred percent. Any child who
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  Speaker 10: is manipulated by a grown adult is a victim either
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  Speaker 10: of statutory rape or sexual assault, absolutely bar none. But
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  Speaker 10: the problem here is what happens when adults are being
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  Speaker 10: victimized but also recruiting others. And so this is a
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  Speaker 10: more complex case than I think the public has led
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  Speaker 10: to believe. And the other issue is there are documents
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  Speaker 10: redacted that we should be able to see. For example,
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  Speaker 10: the records related to Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide attempts. Supposedly
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  Speaker 10: it's being redacted for B seven A. That redaction is
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  Speaker 10: because of an ongoing investigation, and this is suggestive, suggestive
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  Speaker 10: that it was a possible assault and he was reporting that.
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  Speaker 10: And also there are other things that are very suspicious.
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  Speaker 10: His roommate, his cellmate, is no longer alive. These are
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  Speaker 10: issues that do need to be further explored, and we
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  Speaker 10: need people like you to dig into and hold these
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  Speaker 10: these governmental employees accountable for releasing this information.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of Epstein's death, renowned experts have stated, it's not
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  Speaker 2: a suicide. You know, I'm just a trial lawyer, but
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  Speaker 2: I do respect medical examiners. And we're shortly going to
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  Speaker 2: be joined by doctor Kendall Crowns. But before I dig
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  Speaker 2: up Epstein's dead body, let's just go back in time
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  Speaker 2: and our time machine. Remember when Attorney General William Barr
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  Speaker 2: insisted there will be justice.
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  Speaker 12: Listen, this case will continue on against anyone who was
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  Speaker 12: complicit with Epstein. Any co conspirators should not rest easy.
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  Speaker 2: Well they're sleeping light logs right now. That's where our
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  Speaker 2: friends at CBS. That was a turning then Attorney General
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  Speaker 2: William Barr insisting there's going to be justice all of
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  Speaker 2: you co defendants.
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  Speaker 1: You better not sleep easy tonight. Well they are.
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  Speaker 2: Because years have passed and the FEDS have done nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Why Because Epstein's rich. All of his friends were rich
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  Speaker 2: and influential. He was flying around presidents, megalomaniacs, huge, huge
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  Speaker 2: business tycoons. Names we all know very well, we're in
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  Speaker 2: his quote little black book. It's disgusting, and here is
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  Speaker 2: former US attorney jumping on the bandwagon, Attorney alex Acosta.
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  Speaker 12: We did what we did because we wanted to see
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  Speaker 12: Epstein go to jail, so he needed to go to jail.
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  Speaker 13: Alexander Acosta became US Attorney for the Southern District of
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  Speaker 13: Florida in two thousand and five. That's the same year
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  Speaker 13: that Palm Beach police began a thirteen month undercover investigation
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  Speaker 13: of Jeffrey Epstein after allegations of sex trafficking miners. Epstein
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  Speaker 13: was indicted, but a constant arranged a plea deal without
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  Speaker 13: informing the victims, that allowed Epstein to plead guilty to
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  Speaker 13: a single state charge of solicitation and procuring a miner
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  Speaker 13: for prostitution.
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  Speaker 3: The FBI delivers truckloads of files to be declassified in
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  Speaker 3: the Jeffrey Epstein case.
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  Speaker 2: According to the top cop of this country, Pamela Bondi,
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  Speaker 2: that's happening right now. I will believe it when I
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  Speaker 2: see it, because this dates back all the way to
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  Speaker 2: a secret deal by the prosecutor nown im Palm Beach
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  Speaker 2: where Epstein got basically camp he could leave whenever he
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  Speaker 2: wanted to, with a valet, a driver, and nobody.
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  Speaker 1: Said a word. After one mom comes forward and says.
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  Speaker 2: He raped my little girl, and we still don't have justice.
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  Speaker 1: Has everybody forgotten what happened?
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  Speaker 2: Because I haven't, you know what, Let me jog the
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  Speaker 2: federal government's memory.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 14: Sometimes he would just get in front of them and
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  Speaker 14: rub his nipples. Sometimes he would have intercourse with them.
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  Speaker 14: Sometimes he'd make them, you know, give him. It kind
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  Speaker 14: of worked like a pyramid scheme. Geland brought me in,
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  Speaker 14: I brought other girls in. Those girls brought other girls in.
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  Speaker 2: That's round friends at Miami Harold, and you were seeing
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  Speaker 2: Virginia Roberts Jeffrey speaking about what happened to her when
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  Speaker 2: she was a little girl, a little girl about age fourteen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: rubbing his nipples in front of a little girl, and
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  Speaker 2: we find out just who the victim is.
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  Speaker 1: I had been a runaway and I had been abused before.
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  Speaker 1: So to have this, you know, ability to get educated
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  Speaker 1: and do something with my life. I thought I was turning.
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  Speaker 2: Around that from our friends at Miammi Harold, but that
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  Speaker 2: turning point turned into this. She is instructed to just
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  Speaker 2: robe as Maxwell and Epstein are both naked. She describes
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  Speaker 2: Maxwell and Epstein touching her and that she went along
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  Speaker 2: with it. Virginia says, I let them abuse me, and
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  Speaker 2: I did what they told me to do. Doctor Bethey Marshall,
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  Speaker 2: she's an adult now, but it still sounds to me
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  Speaker 2: like she's blaming herself.
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  Speaker 1: I let them abuse me. That's not the dynamic.
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  Speaker 11: No, no, no, no, it was a power differential. It
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  Speaker 11: was two on one. She was just a little girl.
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  Speaker 11: You know, children notoriously they don't know when they're abused
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  Speaker 11: if the act is coming from themselves or from the
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  Speaker 11: other person. So this confusion is persisting into adult life.
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  Speaker 11: But Nancy and may persist for the rest of her life.
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  Speaker 11: Victims don't just recover miraculously. They blame themselves throughout the
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  Speaker 11: life span. They are subject to disturbed relationship patterns, sometimes
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  Speaker 11: drug abuse, PTSD flashbacks. So you know the fact that
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  Speaker 11: she's coming forward amidst all these symptoms that are persisting
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  Speaker 11: for her is pretty remarkable.
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  Speaker 2: You know, doctor Bethany, when you mentioned flashbacks, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people don't believe in suppressed memories. They're real. And
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. One of my best friends
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  Speaker 2: within the District Attorney's office. Just a brilliant, brilliant legal mind.
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  Speaker 2: I had known her for three or four years. She
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  Speaker 2: started having flashbacks of being molested by family member.
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  Speaker 1: It destroyed her marriage. She ended up getting a divorce
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  Speaker 1: the child they had a child that was in shuttle
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  Speaker 1: back and forth between the parents, and her life was
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  Speaker 1: turned upside down when she remembered the molestation.
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  Speaker 2: And even now you hear Jeffraid talking about I let
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  Speaker 2: them molest me, as if somehow it was her fault. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we got a secret deal with a cost to down
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  Speaker 2: a palm beach. Then you've got Bar saying we will
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  Speaker 2: say justice. Well that never happened. Now you've got Bondie
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  Speaker 2: saying we're releasing the files. Well, when when will there
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  Speaker 2: be justice? You know, I'm just very curious to doctor
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  Speaker 2: Kimberly Melman Erosco executive director of Freedom Light, human trafficking
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  Speaker 2: expert witness, author of Hidden and Plane Sight, America Slaves
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  Speaker 2: of the New Millennium. Do you recall the case that
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  Speaker 2: you analyzed of Spider aka doctor James Joseph.
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  Speaker 10: So James Joseph was on America's Most Wanted investigation Discovery brutally,
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  Speaker 10: brutally trafficked multiple women. He also got a sweetheart deal
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  Speaker 10: the first time he was prosecuted. I think he got
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  Speaker 10: eighteen months despite violently violently trafficking women. It wasn't until
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  Speaker 10: years later, as he continued to commit his crimes where
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  Speaker 10: he was prosecuted in California. I served as an expert
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  Speaker 10: witness both to the grand journey for his indictment and
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  Speaker 10: at trial where he was sentenced to life in prison.
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  Speaker 10: So when they talk about this sweet sweetheart deal for Epstein,
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  Speaker 10: it wasn't really out of the norm for that time. Unfortunately, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 10: there are numerous alleged traffickers and persons committing crimes against
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  Speaker 10: children who are getting away with slap on the hand
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  Speaker 10: sentences because it's being perceived as difficult to prosecute. And
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  Speaker 10: one key point here, Nancy, is that Epstein was a
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  Speaker 10: typical of a trafficker. He was paying his victims, typically
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  Speaker 10: in trafficking situations. You have talked about in your show
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  Speaker 10: numerous times following the money, and I agree with that wholeheartedly,
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  Speaker 10: especially in trafficking situations. Most of the time, for trafficking,
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  Speaker 10: the money is flowing from the victim to the trafficker.
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  Speaker 10: It was the complete opposite in this situation, and therefore
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  Speaker 10: it might have been perceived as difficult to prosecute. The
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  Speaker 10: thing that is really important here, though, was the concealing
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  Speaker 10: this from the alleged victims, concealing this from the girls
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  Speaker 10: that he did abuse, and waiting until afterwards. I think
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  Speaker 10: that is the key problem here.
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  Speaker 2: Unless Bondi comes through on this, this will be another
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  Speaker 2: case of the rich and powerful prevailing on those weaker,
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  Speaker 2: less cunning than they are, specifically these girls that were
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  Speaker 2: raped and sex trafficked by Epstein and as wealthy and
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  Speaker 2: influential friends. When will the documents be released? Do you
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  Speaker 2: really think they're sitting on them to protect the victims,
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  Speaker 2: because I don't.
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  Speaker 1: This goes so far back.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, I remember when renowned attorney David Boyce, who
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  Speaker 2: is Virginia Geffray's lawyer, spoke out, it.
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: Doesn't matter how many.
• 20:59
  Speaker 15: Contacts you have, doesn't matter who your family is, doesn't
• 21:02
  Speaker 15: matter how much wealth do you have.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: You're not aboff the law.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: That's where our friends at ITV News. That was David
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Boyce when you represented Virginia Jirfrey. He says, it doesn't
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: matter how rich you are, how powerful you are, But
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: apparently it may.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Despite a long awaited document release, many files remain secret
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: and Jeffrey Epstein's contentious sex trafficking scandal. Why why why
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: are the files secret? Trump promised the files would be released,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: but they haven't been.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Why why Bondie now listen to Presidential Counselor Elena Habbah
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: with our friend Piers Morgan.
• 21:45
  Speaker 16: I don't see how it's not shocking that there were
• 21:49
  Speaker 16: so many individuals that were hidden and kept secret and
• 21:56
  Speaker 16: not been held accountable.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I don't like it, but I'm not shocked because this
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: is going on since the get go with Epstein. That's
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: from our friend Piers Morgan Uncensored and more from Habah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 16: You have to hold individuals who are indeed rapists accountable.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: We have to have them tried.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, yes, okay, of course they have to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: be tried, but the files have to be released first
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: so we can determine who, if anyone, is going to
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: be tried. And we're not getting out of Epstein because
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: he either committed suicide or was killed at MDC. That
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: from our friend at Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan Uncensored and
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Bondie the new US Attorney General speaks out, You're looking.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: At these documents, going, these aren't all the Epstein files.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: You know, they were flight logs.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: There were names and victims' names, and we're going, where's
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: the rest of the stuff.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Bondi with our friends over at Fox News speaking out, Yeah,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: where is the rest of the stuff? Well, apparently sitting
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: in boxes at the Southern District of New York's US
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Attorney's office.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: That's a mystery right there.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: But it goes on and on and on, seemingly a
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: never ending quest to keep these names sacred. Sidney sunrajoining
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: me crime online dot com, Sydney.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: What are the files?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: What do we think is in the files that have
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: been so carefully hidden from us, Nancy.
• 23:18
  Speaker 17: We've seen flight logs, a contact list, a new evidence list,
• 23:23
  Speaker 17: and what prosecutors are calling a masseuse list that contained
• 23:28
  Speaker 17: two hundred and fifty four named victims. But what we
• 23:32
  Speaker 17: expect to see is a client list. That's what everybody
• 23:36
  Speaker 17: wants to know. We have his contacts, but this is
• 23:38
  Speaker 17: just somebody's phone contacts. It doesn't necessarily incriminate any of
• 23:43
  Speaker 17: the people that are named in that contact list. What
• 23:46
  Speaker 17: we do want is the client list people who actively
• 23:50
  Speaker 17: participated in this sex trafficking ring, knowing that the women
• 23:55
  Speaker 17: there providing massages were underage.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: It is known that on Epstein's private plane, he would
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: ferry under age girls, along with high profile US citizens
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: and others, to his private island for what to play
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: a game with checkers.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: No, that's not why. Speaking of this so called client
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: list listen well.
• 24:20
  Speaker 15: Many were expecting Epstein's client list, hoping it would contain
• 24:23
  Speaker 15: bombshell implications. The majority of the roughly two hundred page
• 24:26
  Speaker 15: document dump is made up of previously disseminated information, like
• 24:30
  Speaker 15: Epstein's contact lists.
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: Among famous names in Epstein's contact lists are rockers McJagger
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: and Courtney Love, Michael Jackson, actors Alec Baldwin, Dustin Hoffman,
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: and Ralph Fiennis, and supermodels Naomi Campbell and Liz Hurley.
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: Others include Harvey Weinstein's brother Bob Weinstein, David Coach, Alan Dershowitz,
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: and both Evanna and Ivanka Trump. Several political figures are
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: also named, former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, John Kerry,
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: John Huntsman, Senator Ted Ke, his sister in law Ethel Kennedy,
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: and her daughter Krrie Kennedy.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, I doubt Ethel Kennedy or Carrie Kennedy were involved
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: in child sex trafficking. I doubt that Alan Dershowitz, my colleague,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: is involved in sex trafficking. Maybe none of these people,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: But isn't it true, Doctor Bethany Marshall, People like Epstein
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: insinuated himself into circles of power and privilege. That does
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: not mean everybody on his client list has done anything wrong.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Really think Carrie Kennedy and Ethel Kennedy had anything to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: do with this?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Hell? No, but no.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: In all of these documents, you know, there's probative evidence.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised that these rich and powerful people
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: are in his list, which you know, Nancy.
• 25:54
  Speaker 11: From another perspective, we know that pedophiles congregate together, they
• 25:58
  Speaker 11: congregate online, they just emanate photos, they exchange information. So
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: I don't understand why law enforcement would go online to
• 26:07
  Speaker 11: track pedophiles through their contact lists. But Jeffrey Epstein's contact
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: list is exempt from the public. That doesn't make sense.
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: I agree with you that Ethel Kennedy and some of
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: these people obviously did not know what was going on.
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: But there are many wolves among the sheep, and if
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: you do not expose this contact list, then we don't
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: know who those people are. And I just want to say,
• 26:31
  Speaker 11: all those smiley photos of Epstein and Gilan Maxwell, they're
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: not smiling because they're a couple. They're smiling because they're
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: recruiting people with money and all the resources are flowing
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: up and they're in there with all these high net
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: worth individuals and that is making them so so so happy.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: You know. To ANGIEA.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Lewis joining US partner Sarcey Law from in Palm Beach,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: excellent trial lawyer, former felony security in Palm Beach. There
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: were grand jury tapes that have just recently been revealed, grand.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Jury tapes that.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: The evidence was heard in front of the grand jury
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: that were recorded as is customary. Are you surprised, based
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: on what you've learned from those grand jury tapes that
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: these documents today, these years later, are being kept secret.
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: The victims who testified were asked a series of questions
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: about being essentially being prostitutes and really almost in an
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: accusatory manner, almost incriminating them in terms of some criminal activity.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: And so what came of that, of course, and what
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: everyone has seen in these transcripts was that the prosecutors knew,
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: the police knew even back then what Epstein was up
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: to and how terrible what he was involved in.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Yet we know what ended up happening.
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: So no, I mean, at this point, obviously that should
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: be a clear indicator that further investigation is warranted and
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: that there are other people out there who need to
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: be imprisoned.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: And of course what she just said, what Angela Lewis
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: just said, is critical because when you force a little
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: girl to be a prostitute, when Epstein Angeline Maxwell forced
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: them to be prostitutes, there had to be a john.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: There had to be a john. Who are the Johns?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Why aren't the files being released? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Here's a little bit of what we know that was
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: seized from Epstein's seventy seven million dollar Manhattan mansion.
• 28:55
  Speaker 13: Epstein's over the top seventy seven million dollar Manhattan mansion
• 28:59
  Speaker 13: has eighties nineteen thousand square feet, forty rooms and a
• 29:03
  Speaker 13: heated sidewalk. When the FBI raided the home, they found
• 29:06
  Speaker 13: a lead lined panic room beneath the stairs and a
• 29:09
  Speaker 13: life sized female doll hanging from a chandelier. Inside a
• 29:13
  Speaker 13: hidden safe, agent's found seventy thousand dollars in cash, forty
• 29:16
  Speaker 13: eight loose diamonds and other jewelry, a bit of hard drives,
• 29:20
  Speaker 13: and a passport from a foreign country with a picture
• 29:23
  Speaker 13: of Epstein under another name. There were binders upon binders
• 29:26
  Speaker 13: of CDs filled with looted photos of young girls.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: The Department of Justice releases phase one of declassified Epstein
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: files as more documents are expected.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: According to the top cop in this country, pam Bondi
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: and her counselor Alena Habbaugh, councilor to the President, their quote,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: absolutely will be prosecutions question when all the documents haven't
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: been released, They've been in storage.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: That's a nice way to put it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: In the Southern District of New York US Attorney's office, Now,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I want you to hear from the horse's mouth, the
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: US Attorney General, Pamela Bondi.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: Director Patel is going to get us a detailed report
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: as to why the FBI withheld all of those documents.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Well, that's where our friend's over at Fox News, and
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I can't wait. Do you think that detailed explanation about
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: why the documents were withheld will ever see the light
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: of day? You know what, I don't care why. I
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: just want to know that justice is being pursued. Let's
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: get back to the fact that we're missing one main witness,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: and that would be Jeffrey Epstein.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Why why is he dead?
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former associate warden at M d C.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Author, who are you? See it? Say it?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Seize it now? President of a New Daylight Foundation. You know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: many experts, not just me, question whether it was a suicide?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Why did that happen? Doctor Hendrix?
• 31:00
  Speaker 18: Based on the factors of what we what we know,
• 31:03
  Speaker 18: it was a colossal failure unfortunately by the agency that
• 31:07
  Speaker 18: I've worked for for a number of years, with the staff,
• 31:09
  Speaker 18: you know, not tending to counting and being accountable for
• 31:14
  Speaker 18: mister uh.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Okay speak English, Speak English?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Who did what he?
• 31:20
  Speaker 18: Apparently he committed suicide And it was over three hours
• 31:24
  Speaker 18: before they actually went and checked the cell they're supposed
• 31:27
  Speaker 18: to do thirty minute round.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Apparently committed suicide.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: You know, doctor Dwayne Hendrix, I really respect you, but
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: aren't you just a little embarrassed right now? Apparently he
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: committed suicide, Like we don't really know because the guards
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: that were supposed to watch him every thirty minutes we're
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: shopping online and asleep.
• 31:49
  Speaker 18: Yes, and they should have treated him like they eventually
• 31:52
  Speaker 18: treated Dulane Maxwell when she was at the NBC, not
• 31:56
  Speaker 18: mcc U. And they should have had staff sitting in
• 31:59
  Speaker 18: front of his sale, monitoring his all of his actions
• 32:03
  Speaker 18: and his behaviors. When I was a correction officer back
• 32:05
  Speaker 18: in the late nineties, you know, I had the I was.
• 32:09
  Speaker 18: I was with tech Zinski there at FDC Dublin, and
• 32:13
  Speaker 18: they put to they put cameras in his cell and
• 32:17
  Speaker 18: they probably should have did that with Epstein. The other
• 32:20
  Speaker 18: failure out in mind.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Now what again.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I deeply respect to you and what you're doing now,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: but could it would have should have.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Ain't helping me tonight.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out was he murdered or did
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: he commit suicide? Because a lot of renowned experts, not
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: lawyers like myself, but medical examiners, say he was he
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: did not commit suicide, which leads me to concerns about
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Julaine Maxwell, the only other potential witness in this case.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Oh here we have the Attorney General, William Barr weighing in.
• 32:53
  Speaker 12: I was appalled and Indeed, the whole department was and
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: frankly angry to learn of the MCC's failure to adequately
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: secure this prisoner.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Appalled, shocked, angry. That's where our friends at CBS. But
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: yet the main witness against potential co defendants in those
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: files is now dead. Darn what a coinky dink the
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: way that worked out? Joining me Doctor Kendall Crown's renowned
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: chief medical examiner Terran County.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: That's fort Worth.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: He is esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: at TCU. Launching a new PODCASTDA Dead on Arrival March seven.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall crowns, I know there is evidence supporting both
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: sides of this, but what tends to suggest this was
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: not a suicide?
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: So there's a couple of problems with it. The injuries
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: he has the next structures, the thyroid cartilage which is
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: right about here, and the hyoid bone, which is about here.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: He has fractures, two fractures in the thyroid cartilage, one
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: in the highoid bone. And it's odd for him to
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: have so many fractures with just a simple hanging. Usually
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: with a simple hanging, the ligature kind of pulls up
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: on the neck compresses the structure and causes them to die,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: especially with a large sheep type hanging. And what we're
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: seeing is with these fractures is he potentially has got
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: this ligature wrapped around his neck, pulling back and causing
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: these fractures, and if he moves, it can cause another fracture.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: So it's odd that he has these two fractures. And
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: then you throw in the fact that he has contusions
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: on his wrists. Was he restrained? You have a couple
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: of a couple of findings that make it very strange
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: that it could be a suicide, but it also could
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: be a homicide, and it's it's just not very clear.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: When you say there were factors that were strange, I
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: could not agree more. But what are to what are
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: you referring.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: The contusions on the wrists. I don't feel that there
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: are the bruises on the wrists. I don't feel they're
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: being very clear about what those look like or how
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: they are. Because his hands could have been tied together
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: with another restraint or another piece of sheet.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Hey, doctor Kendel Crowns, we're looking at the scene right there,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and the only way he could have committed suicide is
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: to tie the binding that he created to the bunk
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: that he obviously didn't have any platform high enough for
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: a traditional hanging. He would have to have tied that
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and then just leaned forward and let the pressure asphyxiate him.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: How likely is that correct? I mean, that's a type
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: of the way it is. He can't suspend himself or
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: anything of that nature. He's going to have to lean
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: into it, and again that's going to be a slow
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: kind of pressure on his neck. So these fractures that
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: we have are very, very odd that he has so
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: many fractures.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: From doctor Kendall Crowns. They don't fit, do they? With suicide?
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: It is odd? It doesn't really fit. So I'd have
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: to have more explanation, more information to even make a
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: decision on that.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not a Republican and I'm not a Democrat, but
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I beg you Trump, do not pardon Julane Maxwell.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Don't do it. Huge miscarriage of justice.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Joining me now, Special guest Bill Daily, former FBI investigator
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: security expert Bill Daily. You know the ins and outs
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: of the fares like the back of your hand.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: What is happening? When can we get the names in
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: these documents.
• 36:36
  Speaker 19: Well, Nancy, certainly there's been a basically a truckload of
• 36:39
  Speaker 19: documents now brought down to the Attorney General's office and
• 36:42
  Speaker 19: they're going through them. There will be some time to
• 36:44
  Speaker 19: kind of pull this all together because they're going to
• 36:46
  Speaker 19: be various investigative elements. There's going to be interviews, there's
• 36:49
  Speaker 19: going to be injury statements, there's going to be other
• 36:52
  Speaker 19: information out there, whether it's hard drives, whether it's videos, whatever.
• 36:55
  Speaker 19: Documentation also was found, whether in one of the homes,
• 37:00
  Speaker 19: all the homes, So it's going to take a while
• 37:02
  Speaker 19: to pull it together.
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 37:03
  Speaker 19: One of the things that always has troubled me about
• 37:05
  Speaker 19: this case many things. Certainly it was the circumstances around
• 37:08
  Speaker 19: mister Epstein's death in the correctional facility in Lower Manhattan,
• 37:12
  Speaker 19: but it was also around other people who either material
• 37:15
  Speaker 19: witnesses or those people who ate it embedded. There are
• 37:17
  Speaker 19: many people who are involved in this case where it
• 37:19
  Speaker 19: happens to be people who attending at the Epstein homes,
• 37:23
  Speaker 19: whether it's pilots or crew on the aircraft who both
• 37:27
  Speaker 19: probably knew saw were aware of what was happening, saw
• 37:30
  Speaker 19: these young women being brought on saw some of the perpetrators,
• 37:35
  Speaker 19: some of the victimizers also being transported around those people
• 37:40
  Speaker 19: who am not too sure why we never heard either
• 37:42
  Speaker 19: statements about them or whether they themselves were complicit in
• 37:46
  Speaker 19: some ways if not given a pardon.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Bill Daly, former FBI investigator, forensic photography expert, security expert.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Do you ever just get sick to your stomach to
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: see how wealthy and powerful people are protected they never
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: face justice.
• 38:08
  Speaker 19: Yeah, Nancy, And I think the American people also feel
• 38:11
  Speaker 19: the same way. The new administration is run in transparency.
• 38:15
  Speaker 19: The new FBI director has come forth saying he would
• 38:18
  Speaker 19: be very transparent, so has the Attorney General. I believe them.
• 38:22
  Speaker 19: I want that to happen. I want the top of
• 38:24
  Speaker 19: the American people because so many of us have seen
• 38:26
  Speaker 19: some of these cases go and come, and we say,
• 38:29
  Speaker 19: why is it always just the kind of the regular
• 38:31
  Speaker 19: folks that you find yourselves being put in jail? And
• 38:34
  Speaker 19: it's the other people who've son is very obviously have
• 38:37
  Speaker 19: committed some of these these acts, are certainly never held
• 38:40
  Speaker 19: their feet to the fire from a prosecution standpoint. So
• 38:43
  Speaker 19: in this case, I really hope that this will result
• 38:45
  Speaker 19: in some of these victims, these people would victimize that
• 38:48
  Speaker 19: there we be some justice for them. At the same time,
• 38:51
  Speaker 19: I also am concerned about missus Maxwell and our safety
• 38:56
  Speaker 19: because as more of this comes about, as more information
• 38:58
  Speaker 19: comes to light, is that her life could be at risk,
• 39:03
  Speaker 19: whether in or outside the confines of a penitentiary.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad you brought that up Bill Day
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: to doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former Associate Warden MDC. Doctor Hendrix,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: right now, Dlainne Maxwell is in the FCI formal Florida
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Correctional Institute in Tallahassee.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And it is low security.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: If someone can murder Epstein and high security, what about
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: low security, doctor Hendrix?
• 39:36
  Speaker 18: Well, one thing, anybody can be killed anywhere, whether it's
• 39:39
  Speaker 18: in the correctional facility, whether it's maximum or minimum or anywhere.
• 39:44
  Speaker 18: But I will say if there were any threats, So
• 39:46
  Speaker 18: if there were any credible threats to her life. You know,
• 39:50
  Speaker 18: the agency does have an excellent intel office. They do
• 39:55
  Speaker 18: a lot of work with other agencies to include the
• 39:58
  Speaker 18: FBI staff are members of the Joint Task.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: For a minute, Wait a minute, he did he just
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: hear doctor Chamberly melmont or Osco state that Epstein was
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: in fear for his life. At the time he died,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: So who is going Nobody protected him. Who is going
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: to protect Jawayne Maxwell.
• 40:20
  Speaker 18: It'll be the same people, a different staff, It'll be
• 40:24
  Speaker 18: the same agency of staff and other law enforcement personnelity
• 40:27
  Speaker 18: that if there's any credible threats, they will place her
• 40:30
  Speaker 18: in special housing and if they would need to move
• 40:33
  Speaker 18: her to a different facility, they would do so at
• 40:36
  Speaker 18: that time. But again, anyone could be touched at any time, unfortunately,
• 40:42
  Speaker 18: and if she feels she's in fear of her life,
• 40:45
  Speaker 18: she needs to at any time, she needs to report
• 40:47
  Speaker 18: that to staff, and she needs to check try to
• 40:49
  Speaker 18: get herself checked into special housing or remove from that facility.
• 40:54
  Speaker 18: So uh, and that's just how that works.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: The last one heard of Jawayne Maxwell, she was finding
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: about her Thanksgiving dinner. What about it Sydney summer, Yeah, Nancy.
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: So Maxwell is apparently claiming that she has limited funds
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: and her commissary is empty, meaning she went hungry on
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: Thanksgiving Day.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I find that very hard to believe.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: It may not be a private chef like she's used
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: to with Epstein, but I find it very difficult to
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: believe that the inmates wouldn't get fed at the FCI.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: You know what, maybe she'd like a little bump up
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: to a better jail in exchange for her testimony.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Think about it. Maxwell.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: We wait as God willing justice unfolds, and now we
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Jacob Pickett Boone County
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Sheriff's Indiana thirty four, shot and killed in the line
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: of duty, survived by wife turned widow Jennifer.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Sons Lincoln and Wade. American hero Deputy Sheriff Jacob
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.