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Julie Hittleman Returns: GLP-1s, AI Doctors, and Teaching Her Chat GPT to Fight Her · Connor with Honor: AI, Real Estate and Real Life

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SPEAKER_01: Everybody, thank you so much for tuning in.
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SPEAKER_01: This is the Honor Roll Show, and it's uh it it's every once in a while I'll have uh a guest on again just because they're so incredibly interesting and just add so much value.
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SPEAKER_01: And today I'm gonna bring back Julie Hindelman.
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SPEAKER_01: We have so many more things to talk about.
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SPEAKER_01: We left that dangling participle with regard to artificial intelligence last time, but I really want her to tell you just a little bit about herself.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I want to talk to her about how she treats the people that she onboards as coaches.
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SPEAKER_01: Last time we talked about a lot of the her more of her why, why she does this, her passion.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think learning how somebody actually coaches other coaches, I think that's super valuable.
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SPEAKER_01: How are you, Julie?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm doing great, Connor.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me back.
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SPEAKER_00: I love having our conversations and it's a fun time.
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SPEAKER_01: So yeah, if I can just keep from crying this time, we'll be good.
0:53
SPEAKER_01: I won't make you cry.
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SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
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SPEAKER_01: So tell everybody just a little bit about your uh your your process, you know, what you do.
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SPEAKER_01: I know that you identify, well, you identify as a few things, but there's metabolic coach of some sort.
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SPEAKER_00: I am a metabolic health and uh wellness coach.
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SPEAKER_00: I am also a certified menopause health and fitness coach.
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SPEAKER_00: And my latter half is I was a nurse for 25 years.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm technically still a nurse, but I'm not actively practicing as a nurse.
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SPEAKER_01: Very good.
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SPEAKER_01: Very good.
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SPEAKER_01: So what's the what's your your biggest awakening moment, if you can?
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SPEAKER_01: I love, I love your your kind of beginning story, if you wouldn't mind sharing that with everybody.
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SPEAKER_01: I think that's incredibly valuable.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, six years ago in May of 2020, as many um people remember, you know, when the world was locked away eating their wine and sourdough, I was actually called an essential worker and was told to show up to work.
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SPEAKER_00: So while everyone was home sheltering in place and gaining their COVID-20, um, I was working at UCLA as a nurse with the most stress I'd ever had in my career.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was losing 120 pounds because a friend of mine cared enough about me to help me with my health.
2:06
SPEAKER_00: But I also had a doctor tell me if I didn't lose weight, I was gonna die.
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SPEAKER_00: And it was that wake-up call that had me really check myself.
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SPEAKER_00: And as I explained on our last um episode that we did together, is that I didn't do it for me.
2:20
SPEAKER_00: I did it for my kids.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was able to do something for them I couldn't do for myself at the time, but came to find that my health journey became just that a journey of not just losing weight, but finding me and really repairing and rebuilding the habits I didn't have so that I could create health, which was very different than addressing disease.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and a lot of people think that the absence of um disease or symptoms means they're healthy.
2:49
SPEAKER_00: And that's not the case.
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SPEAKER_00: So over the last six years, I've gotten myself healthy and releasing 120 pounds was just the start.
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SPEAKER_00: But mostly what I um coach to is habits, mindset, and nutrition.
3:02
SPEAKER_00: But a lot of it is the whole person, not just the physical weight.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of where I started.
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SPEAKER_00: Where I'm at now is still, I tell people, a health journey is from day one to the dirt.
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SPEAKER_00: So I may have released 120 pounds six years ago, but I strive every single day for the health that I want and the longevity so I can create health as I age and have the ability to take care of myself.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think really is speaking to agency in my own health and making those necessary shifts as they happen as I age gracefully.
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SPEAKER_01: Why is it that some people get, I guess, maybe similar, you know, hardcore news, somebody being completely frank and upfront, maybe, you know, not using pillows to tell them, but maybe fists or punching.
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SPEAKER_01: Why doesn't that work for even most people, getting that news from a doctor?
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I think that's a great question.
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SPEAKER_00: And I will tell you for myself and what I find for a lot of my clients.
4:04
SPEAKER_00: Um, I gave you the analogy of the dog laying on a nail last time we talked and where the pain points are.
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SPEAKER_00: But I think every one of us Could you cover that one again?
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SPEAKER_01: I thought that was fantastic, actually.
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SPEAKER_01: If you wouldn't mind.
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SPEAKER_00: No, the two guys sitting on the porch and there's an old dog just howling away.
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SPEAKER_00: And the guy asks his friend, why is your dog howling?
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SPEAKER_00: He says he's laying on a nail.
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SPEAKER_00: And he says, Well, why doesn't he get up?
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SPEAKER_00: He says, It doesn't hurt enough.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think, you know, it that's the long and short of it, right?
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SPEAKER_00: But I think as humans, intellectually, we know that eating healthy foods, you know, fruits, vegetables, protein, all of those things is healthy.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think what it is is intellectually we know something.
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SPEAKER_00: And our pain point has to be enough pain to get up off the nail.
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SPEAKER_00: For me, it was being told that I was gonna die, and then having an emotional connection to that.
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SPEAKER_00: Because intellectually, as a nurse, I knew I needed to do something for my health, but my pain hadn't reached a point of pushing me off the nail.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think as people, we tend to gravitate towards pleasure and away from pain.
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SPEAKER_00: But until the pain that pushes us gets us moving, where the shift happens is the pain that gets you started will only get you so far.
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SPEAKER_00: And then when you've alleviated some of that pain, you may stop.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the desire that pulls you to it that actually keeps you going on the journey, and it's that structural tension.
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SPEAKER_00: So that why that started you may change a thousand times by the time you get to your physical destination of your health, but really it's that in-between point where most of us kind of peter out and go, well, it's not as bad as it used to be.
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SPEAKER_01: So, so two things.
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SPEAKER_01: So you have you have the nexus at the beginning where you had somebody tell you something.
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SPEAKER_01: And so that does so that reason why somebody gets obese in the first place or goes into some metabolic disorder, that has its own emotional connotation, as does the cure carrying emotional connotation, and then staying with it, not giving up after three weeks.
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SPEAKER_01: That's because it changes.
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SPEAKER_01: So, what expecting the change?
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SPEAKER_01: Can you unpack all that?
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SPEAKER_00: So here's it was explained very eloquently.
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SPEAKER_00: If you've ever heard of Jim Quick, um, he wrote the book Limitless.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh oh, I've seen the book.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he just came out with a new one called Limitless Daily, and it's kind of like a daily reader for three episodes.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: To really help us to navigate um our brain, our, you know, just a lot of things.
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SPEAKER_00: And what I love about how he analyzes, because I was on a call with him last night, and he said, um, really speaking to this point, that people have to actually have that knowing and then have an emotional response.
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SPEAKER_00: And he he likened it to a story of a man who went on a business trip and he was thinking about making changes to his health, and he was away and he knew intellectually he needed to make these changes, but the emotional connection to why he needed to change it wasn't there until he came home from his business trip and his child was unconsolably crying when she saw him and he said, What's going on?
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SPEAKER_00: And she said, While you were gone, Daddy, I had a nightmare that you died and I wouldn't see you again.
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SPEAKER_00: And it hit him very differently.
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SPEAKER_00: Then I need to lose weight so I can be around for my family.
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SPEAKER_00: Now he saw the reaction of his child thinking that he had died because she had that experience in a dream.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's the glue.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and how it impacted her emotionally to lose him.
7:51
SPEAKER_00: That he was like, Oh my gosh, I know I need to do something because I've told I've been told my health is in jeopardy, but it's really not making sense because it's not impacting me in that way right now.
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SPEAKER_00: But seeing how it would affect his daughter, that was the emotional connection that that thought process had to have connected to an emotion, which really what it did was create the motivation he was looking for, and then created that forward motion into doing something.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of us, it's the same thing.
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SPEAKER_00: We intellectually know I need to do something, but until something impacts us that emotionally has us tied to it, then we don't move.
8:35
SPEAKER_01: God, that almost sounds like something that through uh uh using uh something like I don't know what you'd call it, like a coach, they would be able to bring that out and find that connection.
8:45
SPEAKER_01: Is that I guess that's how that works, right?
8:47
SPEAKER_00: That's that's kind of what I do is I'm about what is it that you're dealing with, and then asking questions.
8:56
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's not coaching someone to tell them what to do.
8:59
SPEAKER_00: No, because oftentimes you ask someone, they know what the right thing to do is, but they have to have someone lead them through that.
9:06
SPEAKER_00: And so sometimes it's asking really good questions.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not, I mean, I could tell you all day long what you you should do.
9:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I often tell my clients, I don't shit on people anymore.
9:17
SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you what I think, I'll ask you questions for clarity because what's right for me or the other person may not be right for you.
9:24
SPEAKER_00: Maybe what you're struggling with is a little bit different.
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SPEAKER_00: But asking good clarifying questions and saying, Well, what do you think you should do?
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SPEAKER_00: Because the fact is, is you know, like when you're a kid and your parents used to say, Well, how do you think I should punish you?
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SPEAKER_00: And a kid's gonna give you a harsher answer than you probably would have punished them with.
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SPEAKER_00: But when you have an opportunity to say, Well, how would you handle the situation?
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SPEAKER_00: and giving them questions like, Well, what happened?
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SPEAKER_00: What did you want to have happen?
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SPEAKER_00: What was missing?
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SPEAKER_00: And what can you do next time?
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SPEAKER_00: It's really asking questions that help people create agency in their own health because they need to learn what's that barrier, how do I pivot?
10:05
SPEAKER_00: And if you think of barriers as just a boulder in the middle of a river, guess what?
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SPEAKER_00: The river doesn't stop moving, it finds a way around the boulder.
10:14
SPEAKER_00: So you've got to give people that ability to do that for themselves.
10:18
SPEAKER_01: Get us into uh get us into you bringing on a coach.
10:21
SPEAKER_01: I know that you you'd mentioned that you're talking to bringing on a couple of new coaches, I guess.
10:26
SPEAKER_01: What's what's that process look like for people that that might be interested?
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SPEAKER_01: And and as I like to do 15 questions at once because I forget, what about people that haven't maybe started the program?
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SPEAKER_01: Is that could somebody that really doesn't have much experience but they're motivated, could they become a coach from the beginning?
10:48
SPEAKER_01: Or is that is that silly?
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SPEAKER_00: No, it's absolutely a great question.
10:52
SPEAKER_00: I have people that are medical professionals that have joined me that know how to do intakes of patients.
10:59
SPEAKER_00: But do they know how to intake a client that's looking to make you know changes to their health?
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe not.
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SPEAKER_00: I have people who have absolutely no experience in coaching of any kind, but they want to they want to help people, they want to serve other people.
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SPEAKER_00: They're called to something higher than what they're doing, and they want to join me.
11:18
SPEAKER_00: And I have both ends of the spectrum.
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SPEAKER_00: So most people that join me as coaches, I tell them it's an apprentice style of learning, whether you're my medical professional or you're my stay-at-home mom, because what it is is anything we learn, we learn through repetition.
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SPEAKER_00: We go through stages of unconscious incompetence.
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SPEAKER_00: We don't know what we don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: Unconscious incompetence.
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SPEAKER_00: And then we get consciously incompetent.
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SPEAKER_00: We know we don't know it.
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SPEAKER_00: And then you get consciously competent.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what you know, and you're practicing it, and then it becomes unconscious competence, and that's how coaching works.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'll explain it like this the first time you ever got in to drive a car, you had to talk yourself through it, stick the key in the ignition, check your mirrors, put your seat, but all the checklists, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then it was like, okay, put the car and drive it, and you had to talk yourself through it, right?
12:12
SPEAKER_00: And someone had to teach that to you.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, 20 years later, you jump in a car half asleep, you woke up five minutes ago, but there was an emergency, you can hop in, and next thing you know, you're a mile down the street going.
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SPEAKER_01: Not even a thought.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Not even a thought.
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SPEAKER_00: That's unconscious competence.
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SPEAKER_00: You do it because it's part of what you do.
12:31
SPEAKER_00: And so coaching has become very similar.
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SPEAKER_00: And when you're teaching someone, I always say it's the watch me do it, do it with me, and then let me watch you do it.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's an apprentice style of learning.
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SPEAKER_00: It's how I learned to be a nurse.
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SPEAKER_00: I had a preceptor.
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SPEAKER_00: I had never put a IV into someone.
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SPEAKER_00: I watched them do it.
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SPEAKER_00: They talked me through it and I did it with them.
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SPEAKER_00: And I did certain pieces of it, and then I did it myself and became competent to where I could teach other people the same skill.
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SPEAKER_00: Coaching with me is the same thing.
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SPEAKER_00: You want to help people, but you don't know how.
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SPEAKER_00: I have a proven system of mentorship that allows you to start with absolutely no knowledge, but the knowledge that you want to help someone and be able to show you how, because it's simple enough to link arms with somebody and walk them through their journey.
13:22
SPEAKER_01: Most of the people that coaches start off with are they they're people that they know.
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SPEAKER_01: And how do they get I think Jesus said it, a prophet is not uh recognized or appreciated in his hometown.
13:35
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure it was done differently.
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SPEAKER_01: How do coaches get through that part of it?
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SPEAKER_00: You know, it's so funny because the people that know and and love me best are some of the people that won't take advice from me.
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SPEAKER_00: And I know, like when my father, who paid for my nursing education, right, paid for it, sent me to school, that's a whole other story, still questioned everything I said as a nurse, and then would go to his own doctor who said, Why aren't you listening to your daughter?
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SPEAKER_00: She told you what to do.
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SPEAKER_00: And he says, Because I wanted to hear it from a doctor.
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SPEAKER_00: What does my kid know?
14:07
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh, you've got to be kidding me, right?
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SPEAKER_00: But that was the long and short of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think sometimes when you're, you know, too close to someone that maybe you've known for a long time, you trust them, you know them, you like them, and that bond of trust is there.
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SPEAKER_00: But when they step into a new role, may not may not be seen in the same way.
14:28
SPEAKER_00: I know that a lot of the people I have coached successfully and that I have coached and mentored with are it started out as complete strangers to me.
14:38
SPEAKER_00: Because when I showed up knowing what I know and showing them that they could do it too, I think they almost had more faith in me than the people who had known the previous versions of me.
14:51
SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if you've ever said to someone, let me reintroduce myself to you, because who I was six years ago, maybe when we first met, is not who I am today.
15:06
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, let me introduce you to chapter 25 because you met chapter one and I was a, you know, I was just learning myself, but I've put a lot into self-development, not to present myself differently to people, but so that I can gain insight and knowledge into myself and grow.
15:23
SPEAKER_00: Because if we're not developing our, you know, I always call books that people buy to help them with their self-development that sit on a shelf, I call it shelf help instead of self-help.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: It's like you actually have to implement what you're reading or you lose it.
15:40
SPEAKER_00: And so, what are you doing to develop that?
15:42
SPEAKER_00: And so I think oftentimes the people who know and like me best have watched me through all those seasons of growth and maybe don't have as much um, I don't have as much equity in their trust.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, and you would think it would be the opposite.
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SPEAKER_00: But people that have seen me develop, yes, they they are like, oh my God, I respect how much you've grown, but maybe their trust factor is they're still remembering the first me that they met, you know, whether you went to grade school with me or high school or college or after I became a parent, I'm very different in every stage of life.
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SPEAKER_00: So to say, like, you know, the people you know in a different place, I find for me, oftentimes it's easier to coach um strangers or to mentor strangers because they're taking me from the place of authority that I sit in now because I've had the track record I have for the last six years versus being brand new.
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SPEAKER_00: But you know what?
16:41
SPEAKER_00: When I started out brand new, my friends who knew me and I had that bank of trust because they knew me as their friend, and that I really am one of those people you never have to wonder what I'm thinking because I have no filter.
16:53
SPEAKER_00: I shoot straight from the hip.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's just who I am.
16:56
SPEAKER_00: They came and joined me.
16:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, and they knew that it wasn't what I knew, it's how excited I was that I found something that finally worked.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: And so I think it was more what I had found, not who I had become at that point, if that makes any sense.
17:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it really does.
17:14
SPEAKER_01: You know, the the coaching thing is has always very much been something that, you know, talking about dealing with people from from your past, maybe being easier bringing on people that don't really have much expectation.
17:27
SPEAKER_01: But it seems like we're also we all hold on to that first impression version of somebody.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: And for some reason, when it comes to especially this, this is a very personal, this this borders on addiction with a lot of people.
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SPEAKER_01: I know that's that's my issue.
17:42
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's it's it's all about that that highly palatable food, that you know, stomach distinction.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: And and I'm one of those that don't want to get into the GLP1 world.
17:53
SPEAKER_01: I I just you know, and I I know maybe and everybody talks about it, Julie.
17:57
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's best thing that ever happened, it's gonna be great.
18:00
SPEAKER_01: The FDA would never approve something that that is gonna hurt you.
18:04
SPEAKER_01: And you know, here we go down that whole rosy path.
18:07
SPEAKER_01: And I just I just want to stay in the old way.
18:09
SPEAKER_01: What do you tell somebody that that is thinking about that?
18:12
SPEAKER_01: And I don't I don't if you if there's certain things you can't get into.
18:16
SPEAKER_00: I think that's off limits in our talks because I'm very curious.
18:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I work with people who are on GLP ones.
18:22
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
18:22
SPEAKER_00: I talk to I talk with people who want to come off of GLP1s.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
18:26
SPEAKER_00: And my and I also work with everything in between.
18:29
SPEAKER_00: And here's why.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: When I started coaching six years ago, GLP ones were prescribed to diabetics.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: And I used to teach diabetics how to inject themselves with GLP ones when I worked in endocrinology at UCLA.
18:41
SPEAKER_00: That's what I do.
18:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, very familiar with diabetes, very familiar.
18:44
SPEAKER_01: So it's not as new as is everybody like now, it's a big deal, but it was it was it's for a long time.
18:51
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
18:51
SPEAKER_00: It's GLP ones like Ozempic, um, and you know, all the other injectables, and even it's a long-acting insulin, if you will.
19:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's a lot of things going on with the compounds and all the things since this became the newest craze.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: And really, it was originally given to diabetics who were uncontrolled in their diabetes, and we knew they could at least inject themselves once a week to get their blood sugars under control because their blood sugars were so high that the secondary problems that came along were far worse.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: So, if you could get their blood sugars under control, because there are complications from diabetes from high blood sugars, that you know, retinal detachment, neuropathies, nerve damage, organ failure, kidney failure, just all the things that go with uncontrolled diabetes.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: So, with that being said, these injectables have been around for decades, and that's why they knew they were safe.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: They were safe in the doses we gave it to diabetics.
19:46
SPEAKER_00: Now, what I'm about to say is my opinion, okay?
19:50
SPEAKER_00: I want to clarify that what I've seen, what I've taught, what I've experienced both as a nurse and as a health coach, and they are strictly my opinion.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: They are very deliberately used with diabetics for medical purposes at certain dosages.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: When the craze of GLP1 came out, um, and everybody wanted it, I was looking at the dosages they were starting at, and warning bells went off in my head as a nurse.
20:26
SPEAKER_00: Because it was higher or lower.
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SPEAKER_01: Higher, much higher than what a diabetic would have gotten six years ago from your experience.
20:41
SPEAKER_00: And it was usually coupled with other medications that the the patient had been on and failed, or that it was no longer covering their diabetes.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: Because you gotta understand, a diabetic who starts to address the metabolic dysfunction of diabetes changes their habits, such as their nutrition, and starts actively working on reducing blood sugar by their doctor telling them you need to lose weight, you need to get more active, all those things that most people say, I'll just take the medication and keep eating the way I'm eating.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: So as they progress in their disease process, they throw more things at it.
21:21
SPEAKER_00: So when I saw all of these people starting to run for the GLP1s at higher dosages, knowing full well that even diabetics that have been on that medication for long periods of time were starting to have side effects, that eventually they either had to stop the medication or that it caused a lot of problems.
21:38
SPEAKER_00: And so I have people that come to me that, you know, hey, I tried the GLP one, I've only lost 20 pounds in six months.
21:45
SPEAKER_00: Why isn't it working for me?
21:47
SPEAKER_00: Well, you got to change what you're eating.
21:49
SPEAKER_00: What this does is it helps to slow digestion so it increases satiation after you eat.
21:55
SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't food, so with that, but just real quick, so the food sits in your Stomach and intestines or whatever longer.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: It slows digestion.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: That's why you stay for longer, or you have a lot of GI symptoms or nausea, the vomiting, you know, the diarrhea, a lot of these things because it's affecting your digestive system.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: Now, with that being said, people were coming on the medication.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: What I do is still address the thing they need most, which is structure and nutrition.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: Because you can take those medications, but unless you're prioritizing protein, what happens is you don't want to eat.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: So your digestion is slowed, you're not eating healthy, and you're not eating enough protein.
22:40
SPEAKER_00: The only source of protein your body has is to metabolize your muscle.
22:45
SPEAKER_00: And so that's why you're seeing a lot of osempic butt, osempic face.
22:49
SPEAKER_00: You know, the things that people talk about, the skinny and not having muscle, is because they're not prioritizing their nutrition.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: And so their body has to have protein from somewhere.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: So it starts to metabolize itself.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: So it can be very dangerous if you're not changing your habits along with using the medicine.
23:06
SPEAKER_00: Now, is the medicine beneficial for people that are using the metaphication as a tool and changing their diets, are seeing far more success because it also does something to our brain in terms of I've had clients say not just that they're doing better with the medication, but they stopped over shopping, or they no longer have an urge to drink alcohol, or they no longer have an urge to gamble.
23:31
SPEAKER_00: And it's shutting off the pleasure centers in some ways.
23:34
SPEAKER_01: Dopamine, right?
23:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: So it's affecting people very in different ways.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: Now, do I think it's wrong?
23:42
SPEAKER_00: No, I think any tool you can use to help arrest obesity and get your health in order is what you need to do.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: But a lot of people will come to me on the medication and find their way off the medication because they have far more success with me as a coach, working in their structured mindset, their habits, and their nutrition.
24:02
SPEAKER_00: And they finally have the same kind of experience in terms of shutting off the food noise, um, having new understanding and having someone walk through it with you, not having to do it alone.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: And they're having far more success in their weight loss because they're actually changing habits.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: So it's not just losing the weight, it's maintaining the weight loss to a healthy weight while creating new habits that go with you so that when you get to your goal, you're not rebounding and doing the whole yo-yo thing all over again.
24:35
SPEAKER_00: It's that you're creating health as opposed to just losing weight.
24:39
SPEAKER_00: So the GLP ones do have a place, but I think it's been so misused by so many people in the wrong way that it can be dangerous.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: And I think sometimes just microdosing can actually be beneficial while people get things under control because there is a shelf life on that medication.
25:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, that medication only lasts so long in your system before it stops working.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: Oh, interesting.
25:07
SPEAKER_01: So there's a tolerance that gets built up.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
25:10
SPEAKER_00: And most people come off the medication, they don't realize they produce a GLP1 peptide in their body naturally, and they come off the medication and now they have a verocious appetite and they feel like they want to eat their shoes because that's been suspended for so long with the medication, and then they don't know how to deal with it because no one's helping them to come out the other end of it.
25:34
SPEAKER_01: Does the does the body I was just gonna ask, does the body stop manufacturing its own product after it's been stimulated from the exterior?
25:45
SPEAKER_00: No, it's like with testosterone.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: There's a really great book um that the doctor that I follow a protocol with, um, the program I coach was started by a critical care physician decades ago.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, and what I love is he keeps writing to metabolic health, which is something I I talk about all the time.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: And metabolic health, when you know, nine out of 10 Americans are suffering from metabolic dysfunction.
26:13
SPEAKER_00: And most of us don't even know what metabolic dysfunction is.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: But the moment you find out you want to do something, and the top things you can think about that are the top metabolic dysfunction are your high blood sugars, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, fatty liver for women, PMOS, which it's just been renamed, which is um polyendocrine uh metabolic syndrome.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: So it's basically diabetes of the ovaries.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know, we're finding that these chronic inflammation diseases are caused from metabolic dysfunction, right?
26:48
SPEAKER_00: Brain fog, fatigue, lack of energy, all of those things from our body not functioning well, and it all stems back to our metabolic function, our metabolism.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: Most people understand metabolism as I used to be able to eat that, but now I can't, right?
27:04
SPEAKER_00: And what it is, is it's our metabolism isn't broken, it's just that it needs to be repaired and reset.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: And so a lot of what I do is reset metabolism and help people to increase their metabolism at any age because we're repairing the metabolic dysfunction.
27:22
SPEAKER_00: And so when people understand that, you know, most of that can be done nutritionally, but people don't know how.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: But as soon as they find out, hey, I can do something about that, guess what?
27:35
SPEAKER_00: Then they want to do something.
27:37
SPEAKER_00: Where do you begin?
27:38
SPEAKER_00: It's so overwhelming.
27:39
SPEAKER_00: And to your point, and one of the things we've said before is this is where AI jumps in because everyone jumps to chat GPT or Claude or Gemini and says, What do I do?
27:50
SPEAKER_00: And they start using AI as a means of starting to try and figure it out.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: Well, the beautiful thing about AI is it can clarify your thought process.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: But if your thought process is as clear as mud, that's what you're putting into your chat GPT, because you have no idea, and it's going to give you back and amplify exactly what you're putting into it.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: So now you're going down a rabbit hole of AI to try and figure out what's wrong with me, how do I fix it?
28:18
SPEAKER_00: And then you're listening to every TikTok influencer out there using their chat GPT to become an expert in what they do.
28:25
SPEAKER_00: And now you're following, you know, this person on TikTok who seems to know what they're talking about, but they're actually using a teleprompter script and are reading to you what they put into their chat GPT so they can come out knowledgeable and you're buying their program for$20 a month and they have no clue how to help you.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: You know, speaking of speaking of AI, we'll get to that in a second.
28:45
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to ask you you come from having severe metabolic dysfunction, not to be rude.
28:52
SPEAKER_01: That's that's where you were at that time.
28:54
SPEAKER_01: Maybe they didn't have the label.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: I had metabolic syndrome.
28:58
SPEAKER_00: I think that's a step further.
29:00
unknown: Okay.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, because I had fatty liver, I had high blood pressure, I had hyperlipidemia or high cholesterol, to the point of them wanting to put me on medicine for all of these things.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: And so I was in a state of metabolic syndrome in some areas, metabolic dysfunction in others, but all of that can be reversed.
29:23
SPEAKER_01: And you being in that world for how long?
29:27
SPEAKER_00: Oh, geez.
29:28
SPEAKER_00: Um I did my first diet when I was 12, and not because there was anything wrong with me.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: I was I was taught diet culture.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I would say I hit metabolic dysfunction very early on because of um of symptoms of PCOS.
29:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, so from puberty and then dealing with weight gain from it and thinking it was just me.
29:55
SPEAKER_00: I was just the fat friend.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: And so there was a lot of things I didn't know about and we didn't know about back then.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: But after having my kids and then not being able to lose the weight and being on every crash diet, I destroyed my metabolism.
30:08
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I yo-yo dieted until 49 years old when I found this program.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: So I had been on everything Weight Watchers, Nutrisystem, Jenny Craig, Atkins, the master cleanse, the cabbage soup diet.
30:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, I took, you know, um Dexatrim.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: I took NLS.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean, anything you name it, I think I wanted and then some.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: And and like every um company people would come out with that.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: My my sister-in-law back in the 80s or 90s came out with this this program pill that had girana root in it.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: And it was like, um, I did that for a while and lost a lot of weight.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: It was like being on speed, and that's probably you know, Glenn Labs made a hell of a product at one time.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and when I tell people I did every crazy diet out there because I just wanted to be skinny.
30:58
SPEAKER_00: And I think what happened is I was so sick, I needed to get healthy, and I didn't I started this program, not gonna lie, I needed to lose weight.
31:08
SPEAKER_00: I was starting it as a diet, and I wasn't looking at as healing my metabolism.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: What I was looking at is I need to lose weight or I'm gonna die.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: Period end hard stop.
31:20
SPEAKER_00: I signed up for another diet, and then it changed because this wasn't a diet.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: This was the saving grace and the education, the structure, and the accountability I'd been lacking.
31:38
SPEAKER_00: And I always say, I told you on the last episode, a book that I read changed my life, and it's the one I coached with my clients through that this doctor wrote, and it was the roadmap that helped me change this and how I addressed my body in feeding myself for health to create health rather than dieting.
32:00
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't a diet, there's a nutritional part to it, but you can do this by simply changing our habits, our mindset, our nutrition, and working towards health.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: And so I tell people all the time, you might look at it as a diet, and people come to me for weight loss because that's the pain point that got them to be the dog getting off the nail finally.
32:21
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: But they come to me for weight loss, but what they get is life gain, but they don't realize it until we're in the deep throes of it and they go, Oh my god, my life is getting better.
32:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: And we stop focusing on the number on a scale that's your gravitational pull on the earth and start looking at yourself.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: So one of the things that uh I'm gonna I'm gonna break all the rules now.
32:42
SPEAKER_01: So you look like if if I were to just meet you on the street, you look like a very normal human.
32:47
SPEAKER_01: You look, you know, you're you're nowhere near obese, you know, you're you just you look like somebody I wouldn't have even thought ever had a problem anywhere.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: What happens when the clients you get introduced to don't know your history and then find out about it?
33:01
SPEAKER_01: What's that light bulb coming on look like when you're talking to them?
33:06
SPEAKER_00: You know, I think what it is is when they say, um, you know, when I'm introduced to someone, and and it's funny that people treat you differently when you're healthy compared to when you're obese.
33:18
SPEAKER_01: That's a hundred percent.
33:18
SPEAKER_01: And we forget that maybe some of us have never been healthy.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: Right.
33:24
SPEAKER_00: And so it depends on the situation where I'm introduced to somebody, but when I start to relate to them, you know, we had this conversation um last time we talked about the drive-thru.
33:36
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: I've had people say, but you wouldn't understand that.
33:40
SPEAKER_00: I said, really?
33:40
SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you how I used to experience it.
33:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
33:43
SPEAKER_00: And I tell them they're like, I could not imagine that.
33:47
SPEAKER_00: And I show people my before picture, and oftentimes they're like, that could not possibly have been you.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: You look like a whole other person.
33:54
SPEAKER_00: I was a whole other person.
33:56
SPEAKER_00: I think what it is is relating to where someone is at, and it's not um, they don't have to know my story.
34:03
SPEAKER_00: My story doesn't matter.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: And I and that's I think how I address it most of the time.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: If I'm meeting you and you're telling me your story, it doesn't matter where I started.
34:14
SPEAKER_01: But it gives you it gives so much more credibility.
34:18
SPEAKER_01: And I know we shouldn't even judge it.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't, but it doesn't, it doesn't explain that.
34:25
SPEAKER_00: I think that um have you ever heard it's better to walk into a conversation it with someone, if you really want to have a conversation with somebody and really meet someone where they're at, it's better to be more interested than interesting.
34:40
SPEAKER_01: Yes, I have heard that.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: So if I'm sharing my story of where I was, yeah, I can to be relatable to that person to let them know I'm not, it's not do as I say, not as I do, and I'm not coming from a place of authority like I know better than you.
34:57
SPEAKER_00: It's that I've walked, I often tell people I've been in that ditch.
35:02
SPEAKER_00: I not only fell in the ditch, I decorated it.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: I put up curtains and wallpaper and stayed there for a very long time.
35:09
SPEAKER_00: And and I can recognize someone else and their pain because we often say we're uniquely qualified to help someone who used to be the former us.
35:22
SPEAKER_00: And I think for me, it's hearing their story and relating to it and meeting them where they're at.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: And I do share my story, but I don't make it about my story.
35:33
SPEAKER_01: It's about right.
35:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course, like I can relate in ways when someone starts to share their story.
35:39
SPEAKER_00: If a woman who experienced the same thing as me starts sharing it, and she's telling me, you know, I went to a party and I went to go to my closet and I went to put on clothes and they were a little snug, and I wasn't sure if I want and telling me like this is a pain point, I said, Well, let me ask you this.
35:57
SPEAKER_00: Are you like I used to be?
35:59
SPEAKER_00: Where not only could I not find anything, but the whole time I couldn't find something, I beat myself up and called myself a fat cow.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: I said the most derogatory things I'd ever said to myself that I'd never say to another human being.
36:12
SPEAKER_00: And then when I did find something that fit and I stood there, I felt ugly, and all I wanted to do was feel comfortable in my own skin or look into the mirror and say, you look beautiful, instead of tear myself apart.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: That's a difference between showing someone my before and after and really talking to that emotional, this is where I was, and someone that I can feel is talking the same way about themselves I used to, it goes below that.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: It's really that that feeling of I had no confidence, I had no self-love.
36:47
SPEAKER_00: And a lot of times I find that women that are there oftentimes feel the same way.
36:54
SPEAKER_00: It's not that the clothes didn't fit, it's that you feel like a failure.
36:58
SPEAKER_00: And it's getting to that underneath part.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: If someone is will be allowing me to get that vulnerable, and sometimes when I start to work with people, those are the conversations we have.
37:07
SPEAKER_00: It's like not just how much weight do you want to lose?
37:10
SPEAKER_00: It's what was the pain point right now that has you focusing on your health?
37:15
SPEAKER_00: And they're like, No, I just want to lose weight.
37:17
SPEAKER_00: Well, was it that final straw when you went to go put on your pants and the button didn't close?
37:22
SPEAKER_00: Was it that you went to the street?
37:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what's the specifics?
37:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:25
SPEAKER_00: You know, what was that moment that you're like, I need to do something?
37:29
SPEAKER_00: And why is it significant now?
37:31
SPEAKER_00: Because a week ago you were feeling the same way.
37:33
SPEAKER_00: What was that tipping point that said, okay, I need to do something?
37:38
SPEAKER_00: And and so it's not really like sharing my story, but actually letting them know, look, this is where I was.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: And a lot of people see my before and after and go, okay, what did you do?
37:51
SPEAKER_00: Or what medicine did you take?
37:53
SPEAKER_00: And that's usually the first assumption.
37:55
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, you know, I was that person that before this program for myself, I was looking at gastric bypass, but I thought it was ridiculous that they make you lose 10% of your body weight before having a surgery to help you lose weight.
38:06
SPEAKER_00: If I could do that myself, I would have done it already, you know.
38:10
SPEAKER_00: And so that's that was one of the things for me.
38:13
SPEAKER_00: So I think everyone has to find that tipping point.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: And then to your point, um, yeah, it gives me me more credentials because I've done it.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think than just being a nurse or being a health coach or being I've walked that journey.
38:29
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
38:30
SPEAKER_00: But meeting me on the street, people don't know that.
38:33
SPEAKER_00: They assume, oh, she wouldn't know what it's like to struggle with her weight.
38:36
SPEAKER_00: I'm not even going to talk to her.
38:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
38:38
SPEAKER_01: And I just think about when, you know, and and you're not you're not bearish about it, you're not putting it out there.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: You're you're intent on learning about them and how it works for you to help them best.
38:50
SPEAKER_01: And I that's very admirable.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: It's in my mind, because you're not displaying it so much, they maybe look you up or look at some and say, Oh my God, I had no idea that you were this before because you you don't really talk about all you're interested in is me.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure that's that's just an epiphany type moment for these folks.
39:08
SPEAKER_00: Well, and as we talked about the last time we got together, you know, you know, um, from your encouragement, I started writing a blog.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I'm not a blogger, um, you know, and I started talking to the woman I used to be in that blog.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: And I think that helped people also to see where I was because because I've come so far in my mindset and habits, I oftentimes I look back and I do want to hug that girl of me that was six years ago very broken, very um self-loathing.
39:46
SPEAKER_00: There was a lot of things I fixed, and she was the fat girl on a diet, always.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: And the shift for me becoming a healthy person, I so disassociated from where I started because I don't view myself as her.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: I know it's me because I took the picture that morning, but sometimes I look into my own eyes in that picture and I'm unrecognizable to myself, which is a good thing.
40:11
SPEAKER_00: But to show someone that, you know, that was probably the most vulnerable, most um uncomfortable moment or morning of my life.
40:21
SPEAKER_00: It was that tipping point.
40:23
SPEAKER_00: And and sharing that I do.
40:26
SPEAKER_00: Um, but how many times do people want to see me in my underwear on the on the internet?
40:30
SPEAKER_01: I always say my it depends on the person, but yeah, I guess my friends call that picture, they refer to it.
40:37
SPEAKER_00: I have one girlfriend that calls me underwear Julie, and that's the underwear.
40:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, because I never intended that picture to be on the internet.
40:45
SPEAKER_00: No.
40:45
SPEAKER_00: And like I shared with you until eight weeks into my program, I was so excited, but that's how I took the before picture.
40:51
SPEAKER_00: So I had to do a comparison the same way.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, you know, do I care?
40:57
SPEAKER_00: No, people wear less on the beach.
40:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, but what it was was that that ability to be vulnerable and be the key that unlocks someone else's silent prison.
41:06
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's why I've always gone from that that point, you know.
41:10
SPEAKER_00: But do people need to know my story?
41:12
SPEAKER_00: It's, I mean, I guess it might be a plus.
41:14
SPEAKER_00: I never, you know, really think about it.
41:16
SPEAKER_00: I just think if it helps them to move one step further and get off the nail, I'm happy to help.
41:22
SPEAKER_00: But it has to be their pain point.
41:23
SPEAKER_00: See, my pain point might be inspiring, but it may not be the thing that gets them to move because they don't see themselves in my story.
41:31
SPEAKER_00: Like you, as a man, are not gonna see your your weight struggle in my story.
41:37
SPEAKER_00: Right.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: So to share my health journey isn't gonna help you.
41:41
SPEAKER_00: You just need to know that I can help you and that you have confidence that I can help you.
41:46
SPEAKER_01: Well, and I I think there's certain security that comes with, and and when you're eating like, you know, you're eating in the bad way, you know, a lot of that's for security, I think.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: You're you're trying to make yourself feel warm and better when you're going into a new experience with somebody as a health coach, metabolic coach, and you see their kind of before story and they've completely transformed themselves, that provides a little bit of security.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: Even even if I can't identify with the gender, I I see because that's it's it's doubly hard, I think, in some cases for for females than males, I would guess.
42:23
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's a bad thing to say, but it's a little bit more difficult because of just differ we're different, we're we have different functions on the planet.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I I coach both men and women.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
42:33
SPEAKER_00: Younger.
42:34
SPEAKER_01: Um it works, yeah.
42:36
SPEAKER_00: It does.
42:37
SPEAKER_00: I think oftentimes it's the the the guys that message me, they see that I help men too.
42:44
SPEAKER_00: And so I do put, you know, a lot of emphasis in sharing my clients' stories because someone may be able to identify with them more than they can with me.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think that's why I don't share my before and after as much.
42:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, because people look at and go, that's great for you.
43:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
43:00
SPEAKER_01: Congratulations.
43:02
SPEAKER_00: You know, I just had a friend who actually came on because I was speaking to metabolic, um, and I say, come on as the client, she saw me speaking to metabolic health.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: And although she was 128 pounds and never struggled with her weight, she did have signs of metabolic um dysfunction that were going on.
43:21
SPEAKER_00: And she came on to do a metabolic reset with me for a month.
43:24
SPEAKER_00: And she um she sent me a message like a week later, and she goes, I would be asleep by now if I didn't have all this energy, which she used to have three o'clock energy crashes and brain fog and all the things.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: And the funny thing is, I said to her was, I'm so sorry I gave you all this energy, said nobody ever.
43:42
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, there's a problem.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: But see, that's the thing.
43:45
SPEAKER_00: She's not going to recognize her metabolic dysfunction in my weight loss story.
43:51
SPEAKER_00: So maybe if we talk about those three o'clock crashes that used to come with a Dr.
43:55
SPEAKER_00: Pepper, a Milky Way bar, and a cup of coffee.
43:58
SPEAKER_00: People understand that.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, so there's just different ways to reach people and hopefully they reach out.
44:06
SPEAKER_01: So now artificial intelligence in your world as it applies to what you do.
44:12
SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about that a little bit.
44:15
SPEAKER_00: I think it definitely has helped me.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, because I uh I use it for clarity in certain instances.
44:23
SPEAKER_00: For example, a lot of my clients use the Renfo scale.
44:27
SPEAKER_00: If you're not familiar with it, it's a tell us what that is.
44:30
SPEAKER_00: It's a biometric scale that basically it's an impedance scale that checks your a scale that we call a dumb scale that has just a number is measuring gravitational pull.
44:43
SPEAKER_00: A biometric scale is your geometry, what your body's made up of.
44:47
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it fires up uh electrical current or something.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: And so it's checking your visceral fat, which is the fat around our organs, our subcutaneous fat, the fat you can pinch, your bone mass, your muscle mass, your skeletal muscle, your metabolic age based on a cellular composition.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: So it's a great tool.
45:06
SPEAKER_00: And so my clients, I tell them, I don't care what the overall number is because you can lose more fat than weight and be healthier based on these scales.
45:16
SPEAKER_00: So oftentimes I'll use um chat to do a quick analysis for me and I'll throw in last week's scale and this week's scale and tell it to pull out the improvements and also if it sees any warning signs.
45:30
SPEAKER_00: Um so I can do that myself, but it takes a lot of time.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: I handle a lot of clients.
45:36
SPEAKER_00: So I use those artificial intelligence to really do a quick analysis and give me a breakdown of all the areas that I should really be focusing on, what the significance is in these changes, and then use my brain as a human to say, okay, well, this is what they're experiencing.
45:53
SPEAKER_00: Here's what the scale is saying, and now let's marry the two.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: So using it as a tool like that is brilliant, right?
45:59
SPEAKER_00: It gives me a higher um capacity to serve more people because it's breaking down a function I would normally take 20 minutes in my brain to do, and it does in two minutes.
46:10
SPEAKER_00: So is that great?
46:12
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
46:13
SPEAKER_01: It's like a calculator, and in your regard, using it as a tool, you're using it like a calculator, but you don't have to try to find cosine, tangent, and all the other programmable keys on a programmable keyboard to try to or calculate to try to get to that.
46:25
SPEAKER_01: You just give it the information and then it crunches all the numbers, it spits out these are the things, but not advice.
46:32
SPEAKER_01: It's just you're using it as a tool, which is brilliant.
46:35
SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, because I, as a provider, uh, you know, I gotta learn these things.
46:40
SPEAKER_00: And how do you learn it?
46:41
SPEAKER_00: You the same way we as humans, I think, I think the thing is is the more we use AI, the dumber we get because we rely too much on AI to do the thinking for us.
46:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you don't push back, you don't have it challenge you, you don't tell it to treat you like it's uh it's a cohort with you and it's been built to make you the best version of yourself.
47:00
SPEAKER_01: So push back on everything.
47:02
SPEAKER_01: Fight me, don't placate me, don't gaslap me, and don't tell me I'm great, and don't tell me I'm the next Pulitzer Prize-winning author when I give you a blog post about shooting.
47:10
SPEAKER_01: Don't do that.
47:11
SPEAKER_01: Push back and be, you know, be that way.
47:14
SPEAKER_00: I think that's the intelligent way to use is it it's a means of like I used to joke with my mom who is a math teacher, and she used to tell me to do math problems without a calculator, and she goes, What are you gonna do when the batteries run out?
47:26
SPEAKER_00: Now that'll tell you how long ago she said that to me.
47:29
SPEAKER_00: And when they came out with solar calculators, I told her problem solved.
47:34
SPEAKER_00: You know, and so the funny thing is, is though, can I still do long division in my head?
47:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, I can still do long division.
47:42
SPEAKER_00: Why?
47:43
SPEAKER_00: Because I didn't use a calculator.
47:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:46
SPEAKER_00: And I think the thing is, is we still have to be human.
47:49
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't make us better humans, it makes us less human if we use it to replace our voice instead of enhance it.
47:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, math is gonna be cooked.
47:59
SPEAKER_01: Is mom is mom still around?
48:01
SPEAKER_00: Is she mom passed away 25 years ago, which is how I nurse it's how I actually got into nursing and why I nurse with the passion I do as an advocate for people.
48:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, and health coaching took over where nursing left off in that same way to really to advocate for people.
48:22
SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, even though AI is a great tool and it allows me to learn how to be a greater advocator, I also have to remember that the more AI that I use, the less human touch.
48:36
SPEAKER_00: And I think because what I do is scientifically driven, yes, but really it's founded on human connection.
48:43
SPEAKER_00: And if I become more like the AI tool I use, I'm gonna lose the human connection I have with the people I serve.
48:50
SPEAKER_00: And it does have a place.
48:52
SPEAKER_00: But I think also there are people that want to look like they're the expert.
48:57
SPEAKER_00: So they use the voice of AI instead of their own and they lose their identity and it and then they can get other people to follow them, and then they want to know why they're not getting the same results or whatever.
49:10
SPEAKER_00: Um, because I tell people all the time, you can ask you know, Chat GPT, hey, I'm brand new to exercise.
49:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm doing this nutritional thing.
49:18
SPEAKER_00: Here's what I want to accomplish.
49:20
SPEAKER_00: And I want to do do a workout routine three days a week that requires some lifting, some weight res you know, resistance, some training, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
49:30
SPEAKER_00: And here are the results I want to see in six months in my body.
49:32
SPEAKER_00: What do I need to do?
49:33
SPEAKER_00: And it'll spit you out a workout plan, no need for a personal trainer.
49:38
SPEAKER_00: But it does also require the heaviest lift of all in that, which is going to the gym and opening the door.
49:44
SPEAKER_01: That first step.
49:46
SPEAKER_01: Hey, what have you heard from your clients using it?
49:48
SPEAKER_01: What stuff do they bring back to you, or even your coaches that you're training and other people?
49:52
SPEAKER_01: What are they bringing back to you?
49:53
SPEAKER_01: That's kind of so you bought into the whole thing.
49:58
SPEAKER_01: What are they bringing back to you?
50:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, oftentimes I have people tell me, Well, I asked Chat GPT this.
50:06
SPEAKER_00: Great, it's still a tool.
50:10
SPEAKER_00: And like I used to joke around um with the doctors I worked with when I was working at the hospital that we charged extra for people who Google search stuff.
50:18
SPEAKER_00: Because if Google replaced a 13-year medical training education, every doctor and their brother would have a medical degree from the university of Google, right?
50:32
SPEAKER_00: It takes some discernment and understanding.
50:34
SPEAKER_00: And I always joke that right now, your next doctor is Google searching his essays in college while he's using Chat GPT to write an exercise program and nutrition program for himself because he can't figure it out.
50:49
SPEAKER_00: But he's gonna be treating you next year when he's graduated in his residency and you're now going to a doctor who's chat GPT and everything.
50:57
SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, that's kind of scary, you know?
51:01
SPEAKER_00: So it it does take away the intellect that if the internet went away tomorrow, if chat GPT went away tomorrow, you want someone who's someone who has critical thinking for themselves so that they can figure out what's wrong with you based on training.
51:18
SPEAKER_00: And so can Chat GPT help?
51:20
SPEAKER_00: It absolutely can if you put the right information in.
51:24
SPEAKER_00: But ultimately, you've got a bunch of people acting like doctors, right, with no clinical background or discernment, and they're studying what could be wrong with them.
51:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you there's, I mean, there's an encyclopedia, haha, not anymore, there's more than that, of information out there that we can use.
51:46
SPEAKER_00: But a little bit of knowledge without discernment isn't power.
51:50
SPEAKER_00: It can be destructive because you're giving yourself information that you think, oh, this thing's infallible.
51:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, ask it to ask you, you know, and when you do do your infallible searches to ask it for facts that you can cross-reference it, don't just take its word for it.
52:04
SPEAKER_01: And push back and say, Are you sure?
52:06
SPEAKER_01: Are you sure that's right?
52:07
SPEAKER_01: And nine times out of ten, it comes, yeah, you know, maybe it's not as right.
52:10
SPEAKER_01: Maybe let me look at it again.
52:12
SPEAKER_01: No, no, this is actually the more accurate answer.
52:14
SPEAKER_01: So thanks.
52:16
SPEAKER_01: You know, Claude, uh, with me, I'll talk about fasting a little bit.
52:20
SPEAKER_01: And Claude, in every text, I mean, I can just mention not eating for the rest of the day, not even like a week, so not even for the rest of the day.
52:30
SPEAKER_01: So he pops off with I get the phone number for Overeaters Anonymous.
52:33
SPEAKER_01: He tells me that I have a uh a mental disorder, and it's just it's all right there in the text.
52:39
SPEAKER_01: So if I didn't know any better, maybe I do, but I'm, you know, of course I'm ignoring it.
52:43
SPEAKER_01: But he puts that in there.
52:44
SPEAKER_01: I can't imagine people using ChatGPT and Claude, you know, taking everything you say, taking it over there, coming back to you, saying, Well, this is what it said.
52:53
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, it's a full-time gig.
52:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, then I'm like, you know, well, maybe you wanted to have Claude be your, you know, your coach.
53:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it it really is, you know, but the thing is, is I think it's that human connection with you know, being able to take that information that someone gives me and really give it some rationale and say, let's talk that through.
53:13
SPEAKER_00: First of all, I'm curious, why did you ask that?
53:18
SPEAKER_00: Let's start with the very basics.
53:19
SPEAKER_00: Why did you need to know?
53:21
SPEAKER_00: Now let's talk it through and see where you're at.
53:24
SPEAKER_00: So it just opens up a conversation.
53:27
SPEAKER_00: And I think no matter how much you talk to your your AI assistant, you know, and even if you feed it, like here's who I am.
53:34
SPEAKER_00: I've been working with my AI assistant, if you will.
53:36
SPEAKER_00: I've given it directives up the yin-yang of this is what I do, this is how I do it.
53:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've been feeding this thing for a long time.
53:44
SPEAKER_00: So when I do go to make these uh, you know, um entries of help me with this, it knows what my parameters and guidelines are for what I want it to give me back.
53:55
SPEAKER_00: And even then I challenge it still because I don't want it being my voice.
53:59
SPEAKER_00: I want to still be the voice of what I do and have agency in my life, you know.
54:05
SPEAKER_01: So and it still hallucinates, still still doesn't give, you know, the best answers sometimes.
54:11
SPEAKER_01: It's just I you know, I don't know if it's gonna replace everything they say it will, but uh for right now, that human-to-human connection, especially in your world, your business, when it comes to talking to people about their health, that's it that's gonna be here a long time.
54:29
unknown: Yeah.
54:30
SPEAKER_00: I hope so.
54:31
SPEAKER_01: So tell me, what what are you up to next in closing?
54:34
SPEAKER_01: What do you got going on?
54:35
SPEAKER_01: Anything exciting on the on the front there?
54:37
SPEAKER_01: I know it's hittlemanhealth.com.
54:40
SPEAKER_01: Where what do you got going?
54:42
SPEAKER_00: Well, I am um I just launched a podcast called Broads Over 50 on Substack with a couple of my who are also metabolic health coaches.
54:51
SPEAKER_00: We're talking menopause, midlife crisis, hormones, and that everything you can think of that is not off limit.
54:59
SPEAKER_00: So if you want a good laugh, some information, um, that's a good place to find me.
55:04
SPEAKER_00: So Substack Broads Over 50, it's on YouTube and Apple Podcasts.
55:08
SPEAKER_00: Um our second episode dropped today.
55:11
SPEAKER_00: Um, please forgive us.
55:12
SPEAKER_00: It's brand new.
55:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh, it does get better, but we are brand new to podcasting to get our voices out there.
55:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, as you said, I have Hiddleman Health where people can find not only what I do, but who I partner with.
55:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, so if they're looking to come work with me as a client or if they have a need to serve others and they want to coach, I'm always looking for coaching partners because there's more people out there than I will ever reach that need help in their metabolic health and their longevity.
55:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, you can find me on Instagram and Facebook under Julie Stern Hittleman or just Google me.
55:47
SPEAKER_00: Never thought I'd reach Google me.
55:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm all over the area.
55:50
SPEAKER_00: So just find a way to reach out to me.
55:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'd love to hear from you, answer questions from you, and just you know, get feedback.
55:58
SPEAKER_00: So come find me.
56:00
SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
56:00
SPEAKER_01: Julie, thank you very much.
56:01
SPEAKER_01: It was it's always a pleasure.
56:02
SPEAKER_01: I can't wait for the next one.
56:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna tune in and watch, watch you, uh ladies on Broadsover 50 on Substack.
56:08
SPEAKER_01: You know, very, very interesting.
56:10
SPEAKER_01: And thank you for your time today.
56:12
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Connor.
56:13
SPEAKER_00: I love hanging out with you.
56:14
SPEAKER_00: It's always so much fun.
56:16
SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
56:16
SPEAKER_01: Everybody, thank you so much for watching.
56:18
SPEAKER_01: This has been the Honor Roll Show, Julie Hittleman from Hittleman Health, a fantastic individual.
56:24
SPEAKER_01: Hit her up, check out her show on Substack.
56:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure it's exciting, and we will see you in the next one.
56:28
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for watching.