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The Woman Of Flight From Nell McShane Wulfhart Fight Or Flight Podcast · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your exploration. Good morning, How are you doing today?
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Speaker 2: I'm great?
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Speaker 1: How are you very excited to share a conversation with you,
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Speaker 1: because finally somebody is talking about an era of airline
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Speaker 1: flights that has been so shoved underneath everything that they
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Speaker 1: possibly can hoard. And the thing is is that you're
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Speaker 1: finally stepping out with a story.
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Speaker 2: Here.
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Speaker 1: I'm going, thank god, thank god. Somebody really remembers this.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I yes, a lot of women really remember this vividly,
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Speaker 2: and they're all in the podcast. And yeah, that's really
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Speaker 2: a fascinating story that kind of exposes, you know, the
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Speaker 2: corruption and decay behind the golden age of travel.
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Speaker 1: Well, it used to be that thing that everybody, you know,
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Speaker 1: it is like going to a concert or a big
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Speaker 1: thing at the gala. I mean it was like everybody
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Speaker 1: dressed up for it. And I think the only thing
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Speaker 1: I ever felt that was wrong with it was smoking
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Speaker 1: on flight. But now that was none of my business.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't old enough to do it.
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Speaker 2: Actually, smoking on flights was a big fight that the
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Speaker 2: flight attendants ended up putting up like they were just like,
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Speaker 2: you know, imagine working on the flight where everyone is smoking,
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Speaker 2: not just like you know, trying to get on one
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Speaker 2: flight and then get off again, like that was their
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Speaker 2: actual workplace.
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Speaker 1: So do you think that, I mean, because everything that
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Speaker 1: you share on this podcast, The Girlfriends Fight or Flight
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Speaker 1: is that you identify real authentic people in the way
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Speaker 1: of like Pat going into that union meeting. To me,
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Speaker 1: that didn't just happen. That was something that the universe
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Speaker 1: put together decades before she got there. They knew it
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Speaker 1: was going to happen. They just didn't know that Pat
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Speaker 1: was going to arrive on that day.
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Speaker 2: You know, even Pat didn't know she was going to
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Speaker 2: arrive on that day. So Pat is kind of the
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Speaker 2: star of this podcast, and she was a flight attendant
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Speaker 2: starting in the sixties, and she ends up at a
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Speaker 2: union meeting sort of by accident. Really what she wanted
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Speaker 2: was to be in airline management, but going to that
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Speaker 2: one union meeting turned her into like a militant union
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Speaker 2: leader and someone who enacted an unbelievable amount of change.
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Speaker 2: It's really fascinating.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about American airlines the nineteen sixties,
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Speaker 1: and I want Generation Z, as well as Alpha and
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Speaker 1: Beta to understand this was a major, major thing on
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Speaker 1: American soil and in flight.
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Speaker 2: Hold on, there's a generation Beta.
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Speaker 1: Nobody told me, Yeah, there is. Those are the dybds,
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Speaker 1: and boy, I'll tell you what. The industry of marketing
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Speaker 1: is already all over that, and it's one of those
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Speaker 1: where it's like, Okay, I have to watch them, just
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Speaker 1: like I did with Gen Z.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Okay, we'll get to know.
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Speaker 1: But you see how it's all changing. But the more
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Speaker 1: and more that we get a new generation, I swear
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Speaker 1: that everything that you talk about in this podcast is fading,
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Speaker 1: and I don't want it to be a throwback Thursday.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel the same way, and I think that's
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Speaker 2: one of the reasons that all the flight attendants that
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Speaker 2: I interviewed for my book and for the podcast were
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Speaker 2: so ready to talk to me and tell me these
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Speaker 2: amazing actions that they took in the sixties and seventies
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Speaker 2: because a lot of the rights that we enjoy today,
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Speaker 2: you know that women in particular enjoy today, like that
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Speaker 2: was just not true even as much as fifty years ago.
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Speaker 2: And it's important that the history isn't lost. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's like there's really they're amazing, action packed stories to
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Speaker 2: begin with, but they also are like really an important
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Speaker 2: part of our history.
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Speaker 1: Well. And the fact that you know that they called
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Speaker 1: them subservience that really bothers me deeply. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know if that's because my mother put that in my
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Speaker 1: soul as at such a young age, but I did
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Speaker 1: not like the way that stewardess is or or flight
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Speaker 1: attendants as we call them today, were being treated. And
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Speaker 1: maybe I saw that on TV shows and I right
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Speaker 1: away thought it ain't happening. That's got to stop right now.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I think flight attendant is still quite
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Speaker 2: a difficult job, but at least it is there's more,
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Speaker 2: it's more equal opportunity difficulty. And yeah, back then in
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Speaker 2: the sixties, you know, you couldn't you couldn't wear glasses,
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Speaker 2: you had to have straight teeth, you had to have
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Speaker 2: clear skin. I mean you mostly had to be white,
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Speaker 2: in addition to having to be like extremely thin and
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Speaker 2: young and unmarried.
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, and this is the cold hard
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Speaker 1: facts of that era, is that the first time that
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Speaker 1: I ever met up with a group of stewardesses or
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Speaker 1: flight attendants was that because my parents owned a bowling
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Speaker 1: alley and there was a bowling league that had them,
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Speaker 1: and and nice looking and and proper and and and
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Speaker 1: thank you so much, and God, I was so blown
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Speaker 1: away by by how just just unbelievably nice they were.
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Speaker 1: And Mom would have explain to me, that's their job,
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Speaker 1: They're doing their job, and it just blew me away.
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Speaker 1: But I'll never forget those moments that it was a
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Speaker 1: different lifestyle than everybody else was getting in real world America.
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Speaker 2: Oh totally. I mean, even to become a stewardess was
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Speaker 2: the most like aspirational of jobs. You know, in the
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Speaker 2: nineteen sixties, there were not that many options for women.
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Speaker 2: You could be a nurse, you could be a teacher,
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Speaker 2: maybe you could be a man secretary if you really
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Speaker 2: wanted to. But compare that to this idea of like
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Speaker 2: jet setting around the world wearing a chic uniform, you know,
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Speaker 2: traveling from place to place and having that level of independence.
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Speaker 2: Like millions of women applied for these jobs, and then
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Speaker 2: actually the airlines turned that into even more of like
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Speaker 2: a glammar tool. They would run ads saying like, ah,
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Speaker 2: twenty women apply for every one job that we give away.
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Speaker 1: I've been bragging about your podcast too, because I work
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Speaker 1: at a grocery store only because I want to be
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Speaker 1: with real people. I love people. I'm shocked that I'm
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Speaker 1: not on an airplane traveling with people, you know, Taitman
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Speaker 1: being there their airline stewardess. And the reason why is
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Speaker 1: because I And when they come into our store and
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Speaker 1: they're tired, they've been flying all day, and I bring
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Speaker 1: up the podcast, you should see their eyes light up
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Speaker 1: because somebody is finally telling their story.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's such an interesting story. You know, we
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Speaker 2: don't we don't think that much about the airline industry
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Speaker 2: or flight attendants or what the job is like. But
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Speaker 2: when you actually dig into it, it is fascinating and
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Speaker 2: there are so many good stories that these women have.
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Speaker 1: What are you learning? Only because I mean, and I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you that there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: men that are part of this team now, and I
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Speaker 1: think they're the ones that are going to be drawn
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Speaker 1: to this and even talk about it more because it's
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Speaker 1: before they were able to be able to go in
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Speaker 1: there and do that, and and and so. But they
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Speaker 1: still share the same experiences and stories today, it's it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: they're treated equally all right, equally bad.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I think we're all familiar. We know with
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Speaker 2: the idea that for flights today, you know, if you're
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Speaker 2: maybe stuck on the plane sitting on the tarmac, there's
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Speaker 2: a mechanical issue, there's a weather issue, there's some reason
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Speaker 2: the plane's not taking off. Like we're sitting in our
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Speaker 2: seats complaining, but the flight attendants are sitting in their
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Speaker 2: seats complaining, and they're not even getting paid for that time,
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Speaker 2: Like they don't actually get paid until the wheels go
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Speaker 2: up and then the wheels come down. All that time
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Speaker 2: is basically free labors. So it's not an easy job.
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Speaker 2: It's definitely a difficult job and maybe getting more difficult.
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Speaker 2: But at least at this point they don't have to
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Speaker 2: wear girdles or mini skirts, and they could keep their
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Speaker 2: job past the age of thirty two. So that's also
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Speaker 2: a bonus.
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Speaker 1: Life hasn't even started yet. They're not even forty. What
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Speaker 1: are you? Thirty two? You got? What got go? Land?
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Speaker 1: A job at a grocery store? Now, come on?
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Speaker 2: I mean, or if you were you know, you got married,
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Speaker 2: like a lot of women were getting married in their twenties,
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Speaker 2: but after you got married, you couldn't go back to work.
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Speaker 2: It was one or the other.
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Speaker 1: How did they put up with it? I mean seriously?
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Speaker 1: Where I mean, because you had to have been doing
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Speaker 1: some secrecy or some rule breaking behind the scenes, because
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Speaker 1: I would do it. It's not just a radio thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Actually a lot of women did do this.
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Speaker 2: Like some women would get married, but they would they
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Speaker 2: would establish a separate phone number that their husband was
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Speaker 2: never allowed to answer, and they wouldn't wear their wedding rings,
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Speaker 2: and they wouldn't tell anybody that they got married. I
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Speaker 2: was even told a pretty amazing story about a woman,
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Speaker 2: a flight attendant back in the sixties who had two children,
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Speaker 2: and then she came back to work and showed everybody
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Speaker 2: photos and was like, oh, my cousin, you know, she
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Speaker 2: died in a car crash and I had to take
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Speaker 2: her two kids and here they are, and these were
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Speaker 2: her biological children, but she couldn't tell anybody that because
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Speaker 2: she would have lost her job. So they went to
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Speaker 2: some amazing lengths to keep their secrets.
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Speaker 1: How did you deal with the stories when they started
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Speaker 1: really truly opening up their hearts? Because I once had
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Speaker 1: an operations manager that would tell me airline stories that
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Speaker 1: I looked at him and I go, I don't think
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Speaker 1: I need to be a part of this, and I
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Speaker 1: think you know where I'm going with this. He would
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Speaker 1: take flights just to be with certain people, and I
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Speaker 1: just how did you deal with that when they would
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Speaker 1: confess because they need to be heard as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some of it just makes you angry,
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Speaker 2: you know, like the pilotweighted pilots even just talk to
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Speaker 2: the flight attendants, you know, like get me a cup
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Speaker 2: of coffee, do this, do that, And some of those
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Speaker 2: stories are really much much tougher. The flight attendants would
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Speaker 2: always talk about, you know, after a flight, the whole
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Speaker 2: crew gets taken to a hotel for the layover, and
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Speaker 2: they would talk about what they called the foot in
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Speaker 2: the door, which was like a pilot maybe who would
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Speaker 2: like come to the door of your room and then
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Speaker 2: not leave you alone. He would get his foot in
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Speaker 2: the door and just like not leave. So yeah, I
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Speaker 2: mean it's tough, and there's a lot of things that
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Speaker 2: the women didn't even want to talk about because they
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Speaker 2: were so grim.
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Speaker 1: Do you think this is the reason why a lot
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Speaker 1: of these flights now are not only shorter, but they'll
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Speaker 1: they'll fly to Saint Louis or San Francisco, but they're
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Speaker 1: back in their hometown the next night because they didn't
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Speaker 1: want to deal with these things that happened at hotels.
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Speaker 2: I think that's probably more due to deregulation of the
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Speaker 2: airline industry, which you know has resulted in us all
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Speaker 2: paying a lot more for our tickets and having to
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Speaker 2: take three different flights to get from you know, New
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Speaker 2: York to Omaha. Yeah. I don't think the airlies were
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Speaker 2: taking any women's complaint set seriously. Unfortunately, please do not move.
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back with Nell McShane Wolfeart. The name
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Speaker 1: of the podcast The girl Friends Fight or Flight. We
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Speaker 1: are back with Neil McShane Wolfart Man. I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: what I because Charlotte is such a major hub across
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Speaker 1: the country. We have so many people that are at
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Speaker 1: the airport and come into this city from all over
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Speaker 1: the world. The thing is, if I were a leader
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Speaker 1: of an airline, I would be using your podcast as
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Speaker 1: a learning tool because you've got authentic voices. None of
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Speaker 1: this is AI generated, and you you're giving us the
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Speaker 1: authenticity of what it was like and what it's like
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Speaker 1: even today.
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Speaker 2: Oh it's definitely not Hey, I generated. These are a
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Speaker 2: real women that I have met in person and have been,
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Speaker 2: you know, really kind enough to share their stories with everybody.
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Speaker 2: And there are some really like fascinating, dramatic and occasionally
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Speaker 2: very funny stories.
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Speaker 1: What did you personally learn, because I mean, this is
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Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about and my father used to
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Speaker 1: tell me this all the time, that the airline business
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Speaker 1: is America's sexiest business and that's what inspired every other
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Speaker 1: business in this country to go that route. And it's
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Speaker 1: like that, I don't know if that's something I want
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Speaker 1: to be proud of. I don't know why you're sharing
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Speaker 1: this with me, you know.
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Speaker 2: Actually, one of the craziest things that I learned was
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Speaker 2: that in the seventies, American Airline started flying flights to Hawaii,
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Speaker 2: and they instructed the stewardesses that when the men were
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Speaker 2: getting off the plane because at this time. You know,
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Speaker 2: most of the passengers were male business travelers. They had
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Speaker 2: to kiss the men goodbye when they got off the plane,
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Speaker 2: and it was supposed to be just a kiss on
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Speaker 2: the cheek. I mean even that is way too far.
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Speaker 2: But of course a lot of the men would like
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Speaker 2: turn their face and try and catch the stewardess on
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Speaker 2: the lips, like mind blowing mm hmm.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like Andrew. That sounds exactly like what he
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Speaker 1: would do, because that's just the kind of operations manager
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Speaker 1: he was. Once again, I've got I've got to go
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Speaker 1: back to you and how did you keep your cool
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Speaker 1: as a journalist when you're doing this kind of stuff,
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Speaker 1: because I mean, you've got to be straight faced and
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Speaker 1: because you're out to get the story and you and
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Speaker 1: the authenticity, because you know how we're going to react
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Speaker 1: as listeners.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like, you know, you are just
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Speaker 2: collecting the information. But as a journalist, you are allowed
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Speaker 2: to have some emotion and some feeling, especially when you're
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Speaker 2: in agreement with the people you're talking to. It was
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Speaker 2: when I would talk to other people in the industry,
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Speaker 2: you know, people who were higher up management. That's when
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Speaker 2: you had to sort of like smile and nod a
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Speaker 2: little bit, just to get the story out of them.
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Speaker 1: So one of the things that I wish that airlines
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Speaker 1: would have done, and maybe the girls or the guys
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Speaker 1: even stopped it, was I wish there was some sort
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Speaker 1: of photograph at the front so that we could identify
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Speaker 1: when we're walking onto the airplane, who's going to be
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Speaker 1: with us, because until they tell us how to buckle
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Speaker 1: our seatbelt, I don't know who's on our airline. And
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Speaker 1: I always thought that, Okay, that's a connection that's missing.
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Speaker 1: What did you learn from something like that? With that connection.
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Speaker 2: You mean the connection between the side of attendants of
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Speaker 2: the passengers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're all really super nervous walking down that
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Speaker 1: long thing to the airport into the actual airplane itself,
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Speaker 1: and then once we get on the airplane, it's like
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Speaker 1: you see a smile, but you don't know the person.
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Speaker 1: And I always thought that there should have been some
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Speaker 1: sort of you know, like when you walk into a business,
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Speaker 1: this is the manager, this is this person. And I
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Speaker 1: felt like that this way, when she would come up
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Speaker 1: and she would she would talk to us, I would
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Speaker 1: at least have a name. That's all I ever wanted
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Speaker 1: was what is your name? What is your name? And
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Speaker 1: then only But I didn't want to come across as
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Speaker 1: some sort of pervert on an airline.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a danger of coming across as a pervert.
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Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, I think that the stewardess is,
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Speaker 2: especially in the sixties and seventies and actually even today,
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Speaker 2: flight attendants so performing a lot of emotional labor, right
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Speaker 2: They're smiling the whole time. They have to be nice
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Speaker 2: to everybody, no matter how obnoxious are demanding their being.
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Speaker 2: But I think it's probably nicer for them to have
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Speaker 2: a little bit of distance from the passengers. You can
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Speaker 2: think of how many people they're talking to and meeting
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Speaker 2: every day, right, So I think for them it's probably
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Speaker 2: more like a professional courtesy to just be chill and
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Speaker 2: not necessarily strike up, like, you know, long conversations by
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Speaker 2: they're trying to get work done. Well.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I have a guy that was with me
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Speaker 1: last night that was taking he was taking a flight
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Speaker 1: to Tucson today as a as a airline attendant. Any
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Speaker 1: and I go, so, how do you prepare for this
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Speaker 1: because you've got so many conversations, He says, if you
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Speaker 1: knew what I'm reading and what I have to read
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Speaker 1: so that when they talk to me about business or sports,
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Speaker 1: I've got to have some sort of reply because that's
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Speaker 1: how I know they're going to come back.
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Speaker 2: Wow. I think that's especially true. You know in first
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Speaker 2: class and some of the women I talked to, they
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Speaker 2: would talk about how, you know, they would have to
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Speaker 2: greet every passenger by name. Actually, even people who are
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Speaker 2: flying economy back in the day, they would say, like,
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Speaker 2: mister so and so ms, whatever your name is, remember
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Speaker 2: their drink orders. Yeah, like there was a lot of
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Speaker 2: schmoozing that was a part of the job, for sure.
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Speaker 1: Did Pat ever talk about what it was like that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if she could go forward and change the future,
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Speaker 1: how would Pat do that in the way of making
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Speaker 1: the big Because first of all, we need airlines and
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Speaker 1: we also need to respect those that are flying those
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Speaker 1: planes and giving us what we need as we're as
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Speaker 1: we're going from city to city.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a lot of it is about respect,
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Speaker 2: about remembering that the people who are on the plane,
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Speaker 2: you know, we think that their their purpose is to,
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Speaker 2: you know, bring us a soda and a bag of pretzels.
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Speaker 2: But these are safety professionals first and foremost, and their
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Speaker 2: job is actually to make sure that we all arrive
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Speaker 2: in one piece wherever we are going. So I think
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Speaker 2: that would be like the main thing, you know, to
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Speaker 2: just remember that these are actual working professionals and to
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Speaker 2: treat them as such, not as you know, as they
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Speaker 2: did in the sixties flying sex objects.
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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of that, coming from the world of Los Angeles,
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Speaker 1: that's where my wife is from, and one of the
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Speaker 1: things that she always talked to me about was how
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Speaker 1: models and things would go into these TV shows to
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Speaker 1: be seen. And yesterday I go, I said, why weren't
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Speaker 1: people going into the airline business to be seen land
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Speaker 1: that next job? Because the director was on that plane.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, it's certainly possible that they were. But
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Speaker 2: the problem is that as a flight attendant, you don't
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Speaker 2: have a lot of control over where you're sent until
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Speaker 2: you have seniority, So you might have to work for
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Speaker 2: like ten years before you can even really pick and
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Speaker 2: choose where you're flying and when you're flying. So the
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Speaker 2: chances seem fairly small. But I will say that a
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Speaker 2: lot of the flight attendants would go on dates with
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Speaker 2: passengers and occasionally marry them and In fact, the airlines
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Speaker 2: used to run ads talking about how their stewardesses would
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Speaker 2: be perfect wives because they could serve dinner to one
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Speaker 2: hundred people at the same time and smile throughout the
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Speaker 2: whole thing. They would talk about literally about how being
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Speaker 2: a stewardess was perfect training to become a wife.
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Speaker 1: I have seen those ads. Oh my god, please tell
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Speaker 1: me that your stomach turns as well even today. And
16:21
Speaker 1: and I'm a product of the sixties and seventies and
16:23
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here saying I cannot believe this was happening.
16:26
Speaker 1: I mean, it just it just blows me away. And
16:28
Speaker 1: that's the emotion that you put into this, into the girlfriends.
16:31
Speaker 1: And by the way, this is a part of a
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Speaker 1: series that you guys are doing, and I love the
16:35
Speaker 1: fact that you fit so well into this series.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a fascinating story. And like you know,
16:42
Speaker 2: from the beginning to the end, the changes that happen
16:44
Speaker 2: over the industry, the actions these women are taking like
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Speaker 2: they are mind blowing. They are really enacting unbelievable change
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Speaker 2: and it's all from the airplane cabin.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I can predict the future here for you.
16:55
Speaker 1: As you know, Elon wants to get those flying cars
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Speaker 1: up there, We're not going to be able to do
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Speaker 1: because we don't have a flight attendant to show us
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Speaker 1: the way. I'm gonna tell you that right now, it
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Speaker 1: ain't gonna happen.
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Speaker 2: There's gonna be like a luxury add on, you know,
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Speaker 2: having their own flight attendant, and we're.
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Speaker 1: Gonna and they're gonna charge a couple of extra bucks
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Speaker 1: if you bring on too many bags. And I get it.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's but where do you go from here now?
17:20
Speaker 1: Now that you've got such an identity of what America
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Speaker 1: wants was inside your heart, you know how we are today?
17:26
Speaker 1: How do we connect those two together today for future episodes?
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Speaker 2: I think it's interesting to think about, Yeah, about this
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Speaker 2: sort of the airline industry is kind of a micropositive
17:36
Speaker 2: of the American workplace in general, and to learn about
17:39
Speaker 2: how things have changed in the sixties and seventies and
17:41
Speaker 2: compared them to where they are now. Also just to
17:43
Speaker 2: hear about the way, like the very sort of inventive
17:46
Speaker 2: and clever and unusual ways these women managed to you know,
17:51
Speaker 2: get better pay, stop getting fired when they were in
17:54
Speaker 2: their thirties, get married, and still keep their jobs. Like,
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Speaker 2: you could take so many ideas from this in the
18:00
Speaker 2: way they organized their unions and think about, Okay, how
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Speaker 2: can we take these tactics and use them to create
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Speaker 2: better working conditions for American labor today. I think there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of really smart ideas in there.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. And what you just shared to those
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Speaker 1: that are listening is the fact that if they do
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Speaker 1: the history, they'll understand that a lot of today's workplace
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Speaker 1: luxuries or respects are because these women back in the
18:21
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies had a voice and they activated them.
18:26
Speaker 1: They didn't sit around just complaining in their little coffee circles.
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Speaker 1: They activated them.
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Speaker 2: It is like really inspiring to see how much change
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Speaker 2: you can actually make when you, you know, band together
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Speaker 2: and put an effort into it. It's uh, yeah, we
18:40
Speaker 2: can't take anything for granted. And the rights that these
18:42
Speaker 2: women fought for are the rights that American women working
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Speaker 2: women still enjoy today. It's amazing.
18:47
Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you?
18:50
Speaker 1: Because I love your journalism. It is far greater than
18:52
Speaker 1: where we've been in journalism because you're giving us the
18:54
Speaker 1: authentic story.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. You can find me at
18:58
Speaker 2: nel McShane, Wolfheart, or google The Great Steward's Rebellion and
19:03
Speaker 2: you can find the Girlfriend's podcast wherever you get podcasts.
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Speaker 1: Love, but please come back to this show anytime in
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Speaker 1: the future. The door is always going to be open
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Speaker 1: for you.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Row. This is really fun.
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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, I'll try. Thank you later.
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Speaker 1: Bye guy.