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INTERVIEW: Havoc Talks New Mobb Deep Album, Prodigy's Legacy, 50 Cent, Jazmine Sullivan + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Don't know.
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Speaker 2: Every day up waiting up the Breakfast Club, finish for
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Speaker 2: y'all done morning. Everybody is DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne
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Speaker 2: here as well. We got a special guest in the building.
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Speaker 2: We have hav It here.
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Speaker 1: Having what's up brother us going on?
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Speaker 2: How you feeling real good?
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Speaker 1: Real good?
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Speaker 2: Having from Mob Deep of course, new album Infinite out
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Speaker 2: on this Friday.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 2: So many questions, so many questions. So let's start off
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Speaker 2: with with first, how did you put this album together?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 3: Man, it was It was a long time in the
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Speaker 3: making because, you know, after the untimely death of Prodigy,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, It was something that I
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Speaker 3: wanted to do, but it took me a minute because
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Speaker 3: of you know, the family was in the grieving process.
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Speaker 3: But to make a long story short, linked up with
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Speaker 3: alc Alchemists and we knew we had to start, you
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Speaker 3: know what I mean, start the album.
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Speaker 1: So flew out there.
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Speaker 3: I had a couple of songs already, you know what
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Speaker 3: I'm saying, some verses from a Prodigy's family, and Alchemists
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Speaker 3: had a ton of verses already, so we just started
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Speaker 3: putting it together and just breaking it down.
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Speaker 4: How did you I was gonna ask, how did you
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Speaker 4: pick which verses? Like when you're going through Prodigy, you know,
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Speaker 4: verses that we've never heard? How you picked which ones?
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Speaker 4: Because we were anticipating hearing it, right.
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Speaker 3: I mean it was kind of hard because I mean,
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Speaker 3: to me, you know what I'm saying, all Prodigy verses
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Speaker 3: is dope, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: So it was hard.
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Speaker 3: I mean because we ended up with like what twenty
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Speaker 3: five songs and you know, ended up with fifteen, but.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, just the best ones, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 3: out of Prodigies versus if I could pick, it was
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Speaker 3: really hard thope.
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Speaker 2: Now with any of these songs done already from y'all already, Oh,
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Speaker 2: these were all you had to get every new verses
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Speaker 2: from you know, whether his daughter I see his daughter raps,
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Speaker 2: his family or alchemists.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I thought that I was getting
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Speaker 3: most of the verses was like unheard verses, but like
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Speaker 3: one of them was like you know, released like fourteen
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Speaker 3: years ago.
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Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: We took wipe the dust off and you know, rocked
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Speaker 3: with the songs or whatever, but most of them is
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Speaker 3: just versus that nobody never heard before, especially you know what.
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, something Al has like it's like crazy versus
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Speaker 1: like for real.
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Speaker 3: But you know, I was giving some verses from the
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Speaker 3: family and I just you know, technology, you could just
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Speaker 3: take a verse if it's like ninety two bpms, you
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Speaker 3: could put it down an eighty eight, or you could
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Speaker 3: speed it up to one hundred, so it's like kind
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Speaker 3: of seamless.
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Speaker 2: How was the family were doing this? Did the family
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Speaker 2: want a new mob Deep album out where they cool
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Speaker 2: with it or they were like they was cool with it.
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Speaker 3: They was cool with it, but they just wanted to
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Speaker 3: make sure that they was part of the process and
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Speaker 3: that they wasn't left out. So you know, the first
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Speaker 3: time that we started working on an album, we had
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Speaker 3: Prodigy's daughter there, you know what I'm saying, and getting
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Speaker 3: her blessings, and she was, you know, she was kind
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Speaker 3: of got a little emotional when she was hearing her
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Speaker 3: fall the you know what I'm saying as me and
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Speaker 3: I was getting emotional listening to Prodigy talk like you know,
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Speaker 3: Acappella talk about yo, I see you on the other
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Speaker 3: side and you know, I love you.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy.
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Speaker 2: How was your relationship with before he passed?
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Speaker 3: It was actually I feel like I got my friend back,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because right before he passed,
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Speaker 3: like real talk, we was shopping in Whole Foods, you know,
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Speaker 3: trying to get on.
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Speaker 1: A healthy path.
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Speaker 3: And he after we did that, he knocked on my
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Speaker 3: hotel though, like he never comes to my room.
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Speaker 1: Came to my room, and we was just kicking it,
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Speaker 1: like just trying.
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Speaker 3: To go down a healthy journey because you know, we
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Speaker 3: had had, you know, a little dust up before that.
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Speaker 2: What was that dust up for? Because I always was saying,
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Speaker 2: like Mob Deep is that one crew r like them?
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Speaker 2: They are never like they just so from the same area.
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Speaker 2: They didn't been through beefs and this and that and
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Speaker 2: problems with money, like they didn't been through it all.
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Speaker 2: So I figured they outre have one group that like Nah,
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Speaker 2: but y'all had a little situation at one point.
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Speaker 3: I just say this, like when it comes to alcohol,
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Speaker 3: just stay away from social media.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It just lay that alone.
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Speaker 3: Some things like brothers go through things, but that's supposed
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Speaker 3: to be behind the scenes, you feel me. So it
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Speaker 3: was just built up frustration and me taking to social media,
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Speaker 3: like I wasn't taught to go to social media, and
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Speaker 3: they are all my differences. So that's something that I did.
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Speaker 3: And Prodigy kept it like real classy like with it.
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Speaker 3: He was, you know what I'm saying, a class general
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Speaker 3: where that he didn't even engage in that little dust stuff.
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Speaker 3: But you know, it was a little strain on a relationship.
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Speaker 3: We broke up for like a year, then we came
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Speaker 3: back together toward and then slowly but surely just kept
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Speaker 3: building that brotherhood back.
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Speaker 2: And after that breakup, how did y'all get back together?
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Speaker 2: Like what was that conversation? Who reached out first or
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Speaker 2: who put y'all together?
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Speaker 3: Because we both got friends in common, right, so it
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Speaker 3: wasn't like yo, okay today, y'all go to meet up.
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Speaker 1: It was like that.
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Speaker 3: Gradual, gradual, graduate, graduate, and then we just end up
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Speaker 3: in the studio together, you know what I'm saying, And
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Speaker 3: it was like nothing never happened, right, Like the beat
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Speaker 3: is up and we just like, yeah, you know what
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Speaker 3: I'm saying, So we're gonna through X, Y and Z
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Speaker 3: and you know what I mean. But we did get
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Speaker 3: a chance to kind of like talk. You know, you know,
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Speaker 3: I know him since I was fifteen, you know what
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Speaker 3: I'm saying. So that was like my brother brother for real,
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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And it was just crazy
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Speaker 3: when he passed. How close we was getting before that.
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Speaker 2: And y'all were in Vegas when we passed, right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we was in Vegas.
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Speaker 3: We had just did this, like, you know, one of
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Speaker 3: those shows I think iced t be throwing those tours.
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Speaker 1: With a lot of the old school artists or whatever.
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Speaker 3: Nordy was did ray Kuonic Ghosts and he wasn't feeling well,
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Speaker 3: and you know, I just thought it was just like
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Speaker 3: one of those regular Sigacell crisis and he'll be back
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Speaker 3: home in New York.
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Is there because I know that this is uh you
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Speaker 4: work with Master Pil to drop this. Is there anything
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Speaker 4: just because this is also people are looking at this
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Speaker 4: as like a comeback project or like a return project,
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Speaker 4: but it's also a tribute as well. Is there anything
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Speaker 4: when people are listening to the music from Prodigy that
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Speaker 4: we haven't heard, like when you were putting together and
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Speaker 4: producing all of this, Like what was the message you
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Speaker 4: wanted his fans to get from him in hearing him again.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I don't think that it was so
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Speaker 3: much of me, like wanting a message to be put
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Speaker 3: out there about Prodigy. The fans know what they wanted,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I'm constantly getting harassed
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Speaker 3: by the fans, like yo, when you're putting out that
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Speaker 3: Mam Deep album. I mean, look, I don't got no
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Speaker 3: control over that, you know what I'm saying, Like I
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Speaker 3: don't own Prodigy versus.
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Speaker 1: So it was a process, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: But you know, I hope that you know, the supporters
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Speaker 3: get from it, like Yo, you know, p was one
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Speaker 3: of the illest MC's out there, and I think that
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Speaker 3: you know, he had some unfinished business, was there.
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Speaker 4: What was the pressure like for you if any, because
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Speaker 4: this has been what since twenty fourteen since you're.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the pressure was crazy, you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 3: because of course, you know, the music landscape been changed,
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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Oh Ma all Deep, But
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Speaker 3: we stay in our lane.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: And I just kind of like, that's all I wanted
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Speaker 3: to do, is just stay in our lane. I try
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Speaker 3: to go above and beyond and trying to sound like
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Speaker 3: I'm doing some drill music or something like that, you
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Speaker 3: know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to stay mall deep.
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Speaker 2: Now you did this still with NAS's Mass Appeal. She
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Speaker 2: just mentioned, Yeah, how involved was NAS with this project?
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Speaker 2: And why did y'all decide to sign with the NAS
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Speaker 2: to do the collaboration with Massapell.
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Speaker 3: Nas kind of like took the hands off approach, you
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Speaker 3: know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: We trusted Nas, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: We know, of course obviously since the beginning, you know
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Speaker 3: what I mean, from the top, and he in position
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Speaker 3: right now, you know what I mean, So we, like
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Speaker 3: tons of people would have did them all deep album,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But at the end of
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Speaker 3: the day, it was like who do we trust? I
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Speaker 3: trust NOAs you know what I mean. I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 3: he over there, Mass Appeal. We sat with them and
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Speaker 3: it wasn't about the money. It's just more like who
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Speaker 3: would do justice to the project, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: And we trusted Nods for that, and you know, he
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Speaker 3: took a hands off approach. But when it was time to,
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Speaker 3: you know, give a little bit of critique, he gave it.
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Speaker 2: He did two verses on it as well three three
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Speaker 2: verses on Yeah, I mean three verses for nas.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: I think that's a good way to go out, you
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Speaker 3: know what I mean. On the ma All Deep album
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Speaker 3: and that was cool, you know, featuring her, Georgia Smith,
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Speaker 3: you know, due two phenomenal artists, and Porter Henny y.
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Speaker 2: You know Clips as well was on the album as well.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to I see a lot of your stories
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Speaker 2: have been going viral.
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Speaker 1: The last couple of days.
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Speaker 2: Right, of course, the Park stories always go viral, the
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Speaker 2: jay Z stories go viral. But the mind frame back
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Speaker 2: then when you felt like the West Coast was taking
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Speaker 2: a stab at the East right, and y'all said, nah,
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Speaker 2: this can't happen. Break that down, because y'all will probably
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Speaker 2: wanted the first to jump out the window and be
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Speaker 2: like we riding all day long, and how difficult was
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Speaker 2: it when y'all were torring and going to these markets
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Speaker 2: and seeing these people, And did you ever run into
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Speaker 2: any of the people that you shot at me on record?
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Speaker 2: I should say, yo, check it out.
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Speaker 3: Like when you in places like Minneapolis and you see
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Speaker 3: people throwing up gang signs and holding up TUPOC posters,
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Speaker 3: you don't even know if you're gonna make it out
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Speaker 3: of it.
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Speaker 1: You understand on what I'm saying. So that's that, you
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Speaker 1: know what i mean.
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Speaker 3: Never mind going to the West Coast, you know what
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Speaker 3: I'm saying. But you know, back in those days, we
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Speaker 3: was in our twenties.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We invincible.
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Speaker 3: We like what we got beef is on. I'm surprised
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Speaker 3: more artists in New York didn't come out swinging. You
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Speaker 3: understand what I'm saying. This is NYC, and yeah, we
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Speaker 3: love our West Coast brethrooms for sure, but we gonna
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Speaker 3: let you know. If you clap with us, we're gonna
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Speaker 3: clap back.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: You know, a couple of artists came represented New York,
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Speaker 3: but not in a way where were like, yops, y'all
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Speaker 3: kick Adella, Like nah, you know what I'm saying, We're
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Speaker 3: not letting.
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Speaker 1: You do that.
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Speaker 3: But it was it was it was a test, you
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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Because it was it was serious
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Speaker 3: back then.
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Speaker 1: People was getting shot and things of that nature. But
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Speaker 1: we came out. We we survived it.
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Speaker 2: And you never ran into anybody on the West Coast.
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Speaker 2: You never ran into a park back and it ain't nobody.
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Speaker 3: Nah, And it's not like we was hotting, you understand
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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like we went, we was in La.
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Speaker 1: We had to be in La, you know, to promote
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Speaker 1: the project.
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Speaker 3: But he passed you know what I'm saying, Like when
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Speaker 3: the People was about to be on we came out
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Speaker 3: with a project that's we was about to Hell on
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Speaker 3: Earth and he got shot, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: That kind of just made everything like.
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Speaker 2: And y'all like to switch singles because they said the
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Speaker 2: single was La La Right he got killed or.
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Speaker 3: Shot right, because it was no, it was drop a
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Speaker 3: gem on them, drop a gym on it was drop
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Speaker 3: a gym on it. We put that out and it
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Speaker 3: was going on fire, like you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: You know, quite saying another station, but I'm.
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Speaker 2: Just this history.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was it was going viral so to
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Speaker 3: speak for back then, you know what i mean. But
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Speaker 3: then he got shot and it's like, yo, son, let's
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Speaker 3: pull the record, like me and Pete like, yo, let's
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Speaker 3: pull it. Not even the label saying that, And we
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Speaker 3: pulled the record and then eventually he definitely passed away.
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Speaker 1: So it was like damn, but we put it on
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Speaker 1: an album.
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Speaker 4: And pulling the record. I mean, I know it's common
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Speaker 4: sense to be like, okay, you're pulling it because now
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Speaker 4: things are like so serious. But in that moment where
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Speaker 4: y'all made that decision, the conversations, like I think a
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Speaker 4: lot of people hear these stories too, and it just
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Speaker 4: sounds like it's not kind of like almost like a
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Speaker 4: folk tell to us. But you were like in that moment,
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Speaker 4: like what's the feeling of like is it okay? We
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Speaker 4: want to pull it because we just don't even want
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Speaker 4: to be involved in this anymore, even though you're already there,
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Speaker 4: or is it like out of respect?
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Speaker 1: Like what's the real like like for real, for real?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, like why pull it? Because at that point, y'all
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Speaker 4: are already like we hear we doing this, like we're
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Speaker 4: poking out our chest.
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Speaker 1: Look, at the end of the day, he was a brother.
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Speaker 1: He was our brother.
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Speaker 3: Like we might have beef with them and all of that,
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Speaker 3: but we don't wish death on nobody.
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Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: And we're not that thirsty like to be like shit,
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Speaker 3: whatever he did, like keep a movie like that would
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Speaker 3: have been bad taste anyway, you know what I'm saying
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Speaker 3: it have been tasteless, so we.
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Speaker 2: Just like, nah, this just pull it, you know what
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Speaker 2: I mean? You know your relationship with Big was not
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Speaker 2: the best, but what you mean was it good? Because
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Speaker 2: I thought the relationship wasn't necessarily the greatest. You and Big,
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Speaker 2: oh for real?
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Speaker 1: Me me and BMG we got the same birthday.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that. Did y'all ever have conversations
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Speaker 2: to say, because y'all were both getting shot at like crazy?
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Speaker 2: Did y'all ever have conversations like let's do this together
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Speaker 2: right now?
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately? That's another one that passed away so early.
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Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying, because you know, Puff said, Yo,
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Speaker 3: come to the studio. I need you to do some
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Speaker 3: music with Big. I didn't even know the locks gonna
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Speaker 3: be on the song last Days. So I'm in there
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Speaker 3: doing that. He in another room because I guess he
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Speaker 3: was recording like crazy back then.
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Speaker 1: You know, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: So we never got a chance to really have a conversation.
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Speaker 3: We went on tour together, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: The last memories I have are Big is being in
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Speaker 3: Ohio and were supposed to go on but Big was
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Speaker 3: like f that I'm going on before y'all because they
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Speaker 3: spraying Mason the crowd like like like you know, like
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Speaker 3: the gang members is wild that I ain't even know
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Speaker 3: Ohio had gangs like that, but those are the memories
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Speaker 3: I have on him. So we didn't get a chance
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Speaker 3: to like really kick it kick it. But I think
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Speaker 3: if had he lived longer, we would have probably been
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Speaker 3: partying together, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: Same birthday, Gemina to me.
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Speaker 4: How did watching you know the depth of Tupac and
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Speaker 4: then a Biggie change how you felt about just being
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Speaker 4: an artist at the time, Like were you scared?
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Speaker 2: But didn't change cause y'all ain't stop beefing. Y'all kept going.
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Speaker 2: Y'all never stopped.
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Speaker 1: Nah, you know what. To be honest with you, it
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Speaker 1: was like I felt it was mad disrespectful. You understand
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: For Like, it's like, no, like you just killing artists
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Speaker 3: like y'all just you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: I understand, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: Artists is human beings, but it's like no respect for
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Speaker 3: the artists, like y'all just murking the artist.
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Speaker 1: So that had me super.
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Speaker 3: Concerned, Like you know, I'm like, wow, like it's you know,
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Speaker 3: you already got your concerns when you going on to
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Speaker 3: making sure you're safe, but now just people just get
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Speaker 3: out of here, like by you going you nah, that
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Speaker 3: was crazy?
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Speaker 2: You know what I always wanted to ask. I always
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Speaker 2: tell everybody if we have a hip hop conversation, my
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Speaker 2: favorite beat EV and I think I told you before,
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Speaker 2: it's shook Ones. Right, It's just when you think of
13:16
Speaker 2: hip hop, there's nothing that out hip hop shook ones.
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Speaker 2: Just the raw, just uncut. It doesn't sound like it's
13:22
Speaker 2: ever filtered. It was just doesn't feel like it's never mixed,
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Speaker 2: and it just feels like that. But I also feel
13:27
Speaker 2: like when a lot of times when they talk about
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Speaker 2: some of the greatest producers in this industry and in
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Speaker 2: the game, they don't mention you, right, how does that
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Speaker 2: make you feel? Because they'll mention, they'll mention the Dres,
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Speaker 2: they'll mention so many other people, but I never a
13:41
Speaker 2: lot of times I don't hear habit.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it could get frustrating, you know
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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It gets frustrating, you know, when your
13:48
Speaker 3: name is not being mentioned when you feel like it
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Speaker 3: should be mentioned. But at the same time, we never
13:53
Speaker 3: got nominated for Grammys. And I'm sure we had albums
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Speaker 3: that was platinum at gold during the time when the
13:59
Speaker 3: other artists wept gold and that, you know, and we
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Speaker 3: never got nominated.
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Speaker 1: So I just feel like it's in the same vein.
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Speaker 3: But you know what, my piers, you know what I'm
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Speaker 3: saying when I see them, Like I just seen Doctor
14:09
Speaker 3: dra the other day, he like, Yo, you inspired me.
14:13
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at him like, like, you know what
14:15
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like you inspired me? But I feel him.
14:18
Speaker 3: I understand what he's saying, because we all inspire each other.
14:21
Speaker 3: So things like that kind of negate the frustration I
14:24
Speaker 3: feel of not being mentioned because I could see somebody
14:26
Speaker 3: like Doctor Dre and they be like, yo, son, like
14:29
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And that's all I be needing.
14:31
Speaker 2: That's all you need say. They were Prodigy with lyrics.
14:33
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people don't necessarily understand how
14:36
Speaker 2: nice he was lyrically, and he doesn't get into a
14:38
Speaker 2: lot of those conversations as well either. He don't.
14:41
Speaker 1: But then you have somebody like Jay Z.
14:43
Speaker 3: If you ask him a question about Prodigy, he'd be like,
14:45
Speaker 3: Prodigy was one of those ones, you.
14:47
Speaker 1: Understand what I'm saying.
14:48
Speaker 3: So when people don't involve him in a conversation, but
14:52
Speaker 3: they rapper's favorite rapper is screaming their name, like not
14:55
Speaker 3: screaming they name, but giving them the credit. I think
14:58
Speaker 3: sometimes that's that's the just dude. Sometimes eventually the generation
15:02
Speaker 3: is just gonna come after us when they start doing
15:05
Speaker 3: their little investigation like we used to do with the
15:08
Speaker 3: Maybe not tell you because you're a little younger, but
15:10
Speaker 3: you know, with the seventies, like we pulling like James
15:12
Speaker 3: Brown were pulling all these stylistic blue Magic, They're gonna
15:16
Speaker 3: start pulling those mob deep records and be like, damn,
15:18
Speaker 3: what's this?
15:19
Speaker 1: This sounded crazy. I didn't know all that other stuff.
15:20
Speaker 1: They're supposed to be top forty, you know what I mean.
15:23
Speaker 2: And how you mentioned Jay? How did that beef ever start?
15:26
Speaker 2: And do you ever regret never producing for a whole?
15:29
Speaker 2: Is that one of the things?
15:30
Speaker 1: Off top? Of course, you know what I'm saying. As
15:32
Speaker 1: a producer, you want to produce for the best.
15:35
Speaker 2: Of producer for every New York great, but right.
15:37
Speaker 1: Right, that's that's the one I'm chasing, you know what
15:39
Speaker 1: I mean.
15:40
Speaker 3: But shout out the whole. But look, when that beef happened,
15:46
Speaker 3: I had to stay with my brother.
15:48
Speaker 2: How did it start?
15:49
Speaker 1: Oh?
15:49
Speaker 3: It started because back to what we was talking about
15:52
Speaker 3: with the you know, stupid crust, the buildings, and then
15:57
Speaker 3: we came with La La, and then I think Prodigy
15:59
Speaker 3: seen an all the cool with uh.
16:02
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I.
16:02
Speaker 3: Think jay Z said something in his line about New
16:05
Speaker 3: York and sought since he didn't appreciate it. And then
16:08
Speaker 3: he says something in a magazine that called hold out
16:12
Speaker 3: his name.
16:14
Speaker 1: Oh is it? You know what I'm saying, This is
16:16
Speaker 1: a call tax sport. He you know what I'm saying.
16:17
Speaker 1: He and his prolem he going right back at Prodigy.
16:20
Speaker 1: So it just started right there.
16:22
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that beef hurt Bob Deep.
16:26
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say that it hurt mall Deep, but
16:29
Speaker 3: it could have did a little nice little delay, you
16:33
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Because when you got somebody like
16:35
Speaker 3: that just coming at you, you know what I'm saying,
16:37
Speaker 3: it's like it's start chipping away at you know that Almah.
16:41
Speaker 2: I always wanted to know what Na said during that
16:43
Speaker 2: time when you because y'all all be fing together right
16:45
Speaker 2: the nads ever say yo, let's do this together. Like
16:47
Speaker 2: what was that conversation?
16:48
Speaker 3: Like, nah, he was on his lone wolf real quick,
16:51
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He came out with that ether.
16:53
Speaker 3: It was like, you know what I mean, nobody saw
16:55
Speaker 3: it coming, you know what I mean, we never ever
16:57
Speaker 3: had a conversation about like Yo, yeah, man, let's let's
17:00
Speaker 3: go get them.
17:01
Speaker 2: Let's jump them, let's jump them.
17:03
Speaker 4: Now that said, what what myths about mob deep do
17:08
Speaker 4: you hear and you don't correct or you hear you
17:11
Speaker 4: kind of laugh at I know, there's the one with
17:14
Speaker 4: the high hat sound and like the burner and still
17:17
Speaker 4: I'm still kind of confused about that. Was it a
17:18
Speaker 4: real burner?
17:19
Speaker 3: Was?
17:19
Speaker 4: And I saw two different answers at one point in time.
17:22
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of myths out there about you
17:23
Speaker 4: guys that you sometimes you say are better than the
17:26
Speaker 4: actual story. So you just let it rock.
17:28
Speaker 3: I mean the one that you just said with the stove,
17:30
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, Everybody keeps saying like,
17:31
Speaker 3: it's the stove, it's the stove. I'm not going to
17:34
Speaker 3: tell them if it's the stove or not. I just
17:36
Speaker 3: love the mystique of the stove. It's like that's a
17:39
Speaker 3: people like what.
17:39
Speaker 1: The hell y' so?
17:40
Speaker 4: And shook Ones part two. There's the flicking sound and
17:43
Speaker 4: it sounds like you, you know, you crank up the
17:45
Speaker 4: stove and like kick. Yeah. So at one point I
17:49
Speaker 4: thought I saw an interview from you and you said
17:51
Speaker 4: that it was a stove and you recorded it. I
17:53
Speaker 4: think I was drink champs. And then I saw another
17:55
Speaker 4: interview where you were like it was a high hat.
17:57
Speaker 3: That you used, right, yeah, yea. I'll be mestling with them,
18:00
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I just I just be
18:01
Speaker 3: messing with it, like I'm never going to reveal that one.
18:04
Speaker 3: Why because just the you know, it sounds better, you know,
18:10
Speaker 3: than the than the actual truth.
18:11
Speaker 4: So, and I know, you guys got the comic book
18:13
Speaker 4: series that kind of leans into all of the myths
18:15
Speaker 4: about mob Deep is you guys, slick Rid ghost Face Nas.
18:20
Speaker 4: It's like a one time only series. So are y'all
18:22
Speaker 4: talking about more of the myths in that limited comic
18:24
Speaker 4: book series or is it just something that.
18:27
Speaker 3: Well when they was making it, they was asking me,
18:28
Speaker 3: like what you think your strengths would be if you
18:31
Speaker 3: would be you know what I'm saying a you know,
18:33
Speaker 3: a superhero or whatever, and it was asking me what
18:35
Speaker 3: I think prodigy strengths would be, and I just kind
18:37
Speaker 3: of gave them that, like, you know, everybody wanted to fly,
18:40
Speaker 3: be like Superman or have some kind of secret power,
18:42
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So I don't think it
18:44
Speaker 3: added to us like any kind of myth, but more
18:46
Speaker 3: along the lines of, like.
18:48
Speaker 1: If you had superpowers, what would which one would you pick?
18:51
Speaker 4: Got you? I thought it was going to lean into
18:52
Speaker 4: like all of the old, like the hip hop stories
18:54
Speaker 4: that we hear that we don't ever get real answer.
18:57
Speaker 1: That's a good angle.
18:58
Speaker 3: I like that might have to massive pill love to start,
19:01
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, revamp.
19:03
Speaker 4: Some of the I did with the rollout right now
19:05
Speaker 4: that you're doing because a lot of those conversations are
19:07
Speaker 4: coming back up, people are learning it for the first time.
19:09
Speaker 4: How different is it for you now promoting your music
19:13
Speaker 4: and having these conversations with social media versus you know,
19:16
Speaker 4: not even the last album, but like early on days
19:18
Speaker 4: when y'all were running around.
19:19
Speaker 3: I mean, it's way different because now you know, back
19:22
Speaker 3: in them days, we didn't have no social media.
19:23
Speaker 1: We didn't have none of that.
19:25
Speaker 3: So you know, the things that we're doing now, like
19:28
Speaker 3: hitting mad, podcasts up and things of that nature. Is like,
19:32
Speaker 3: it feels kind of different, but it's the work that
19:34
Speaker 3: you put in when you're putting out a project.
19:36
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
19:36
Speaker 3: I love doing it. I love this time, you know
19:38
Speaker 3: what I mean. I get to really, you know, show
19:42
Speaker 3: what mab deep is all about.
19:44
Speaker 2: What artist came to you for a beat and you
19:46
Speaker 2: turned them down and then you kind of went back
19:48
Speaker 2: and like, damn, I should have did that beat? Was
19:50
Speaker 2: there any one of those artists?
19:51
Speaker 1: Uh? Damn, I don't. I don't think so. I don't
19:55
Speaker 1: think so.
19:55
Speaker 3: You know, when I do work with artists, you know,
19:59
Speaker 3: not out of ten, I'm feeling them, you know what
20:02
Speaker 3: I mean. But if I didn't want to work with
20:04
Speaker 3: the artists, they definitely didn't hear back from me.
20:06
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
20:07
Speaker 2: What beat did you give away? You wish you didn't
20:09
Speaker 2: give away? You would have kept to yourself?
20:11
Speaker 3: Nah, I or every track there that I gave away
20:15
Speaker 3: I was fine with, you know what I mean.
20:16
Speaker 1: I don't think I gave away anything now.
20:19
Speaker 2: I always I always like to ask because these are
20:20
Speaker 2: my two favorite beats, My two favorite hip hopp beats.
20:23
Speaker 2: I want you to break down when you created shit
20:25
Speaker 2: ones and when you create a choir star right? And
20:29
Speaker 2: whose choice was it to put of every artist out
20:31
Speaker 2: there while little chmp. So let's start off with breaking
20:33
Speaker 2: down ship ones. So where were you when you made it? Create?
20:35
Speaker 2: When you made shit ones? And did you know that
20:37
Speaker 2: was gonna be what it was?
20:39
Speaker 1: Shook Ones?
20:40
Speaker 3: I made that in my in Queen's Village, in my
20:42
Speaker 3: mom's apartment where I grew up at right, thirty records
20:45
Speaker 3: all over the floor, scratch pop, vinyl. Didn't even really
20:48
Speaker 3: know what I was doing. Then the crew came in
20:50
Speaker 3: the crib Prodigy all in this, say what's this? I
20:52
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, it's whatever, whatever. I'm about to turn
20:54
Speaker 3: the computer, you know, the drum machine. No no, no, no,
20:56
Speaker 3: no no, don't don't don't turn it off.
20:58
Speaker 1: Keep it. Kept it. We did a song to it.
21:02
Speaker 3: Actually we had to Shook one part two, and then
21:04
Speaker 3: part one, and then this became part two and it
21:07
Speaker 3: took off. I had no idea what was going to
21:09
Speaker 3: do that quiet Storm. I ran out of samples, you
21:13
Speaker 3: know what I mean, I ran out of anything to sample.
21:15
Speaker 3: So I'm just looking at this sugar Hill Gang record, Like, damn,
21:19
Speaker 3: let me just try you for now, because that's a
21:22
Speaker 3: record that I always passed, like you know, white lines
21:24
Speaker 3: and all of that. Nobody's not putting that on, you
21:27
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So put that on, sampled it.
21:30
Speaker 3: I said, let me slow it down maybe like you know,
21:32
Speaker 3: slow it down, throw some rim shots to it, and
21:36
Speaker 3: just did it.
21:36
Speaker 1: Didn't think nothing of it.
21:38
Speaker 3: Prodigy used to come to my house go in the
21:40
Speaker 3: basement to the studio while I'm sleep and then when
21:43
Speaker 3: I went down, he's like, yo, have what's this. I
21:45
Speaker 3: was like this whatever, It wasn't nothing, and he did
21:48
Speaker 3: a whole solo song to it, and then we ended
21:51
Speaker 3: up making it the first single on I believe it
21:54
Speaker 3: was Murder Music. And I was kind of a little
21:57
Speaker 3: upset by then because Chris Lighty, God bless the day.
21:59
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, we making this the first single.
22:01
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I'm not on it. You know what
22:02
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He was like, you made the beat.
22:05
Speaker 3: And I think that was the time when now everybody's
22:08
Speaker 3: just looking at me as a producer and not even
22:10
Speaker 3: a rapper. So that was a that's another story, you
22:13
Speaker 3: know what I mean. That I'm getting looked at it
22:15
Speaker 3: just as a producer when I just be trying to, like,
22:17
Speaker 3: you know, write my life away on the paper.
22:19
Speaker 1: But it's all good.
22:20
Speaker 2: And then how did y'all get what was the decision
22:22
Speaker 2: to put Little Kim? Why Little Kim of all the
22:24
Speaker 2: at that time? Why Kim?
22:26
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, ever, you know what time it is.
22:28
Speaker 3: We go to the club right now, I'm mall deeps
22:29
Speaker 3: in the clubs. It's a saucetrege sveets right, you.
22:31
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
22:32
Speaker 3: So we like, yo, we need to we need to
22:34
Speaker 3: get the chicks involved. Who could get who? We could
22:36
Speaker 3: get Little Kim? And she agreed to do it.
22:39
Speaker 1: That I went to the studio, I seen her in
22:41
Speaker 1: there writing her verse. She sung a hookover. I'm telling
22:45
Speaker 1: you that record took off off like you couldn't.
22:48
Speaker 2: It was genius. It was to the day where you
22:50
Speaker 2: could put out a street record and it could be
22:52
Speaker 2: a single. And this day is Kim's one of Kim's
22:54
Speaker 2: biggest verses. It just connects hot, damn hole, here we
22:58
Speaker 2: go again.
22:59
Speaker 1: And she got that little the dance that she do
23:02
Speaker 1: to this day, to this day, to this day.
23:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was thinking about you. You mentioned like going
23:06
Speaker 4: in the club and like using that and bringing that
23:08
Speaker 4: back into the music. Maybe some artists do that now,
23:10
Speaker 4: but I think a lot of artists are geared toward
23:13
Speaker 4: like TikTok and numbers and research because the industry has changed.
23:16
Speaker 4: And he always talks about how lit the club scene
23:19
Speaker 4: in New York was, and all the artists and all
23:21
Speaker 4: the things.
23:22
Speaker 2: Like I was tell her that everybody used to be outside. Yeah,
23:24
Speaker 2: when we were always columbing like it was, there were
23:28
Speaker 2: no I would say, Richard broke it was. It would
23:31
Speaker 2: be the dude from the block on the left side,
23:34
Speaker 2: right mob deep on the right, in this corner, kimming
23:37
Speaker 2: them on this side. You would see Knaves was always
23:40
Speaker 2: in the cup by himself somehow, some way, wiggling in
23:42
Speaker 2: and out. You would see the lost boys. You just
23:44
Speaker 2: see so many. You would see everybody in the club,
23:47
Speaker 2: and you would see how music reacts. And like you said,
23:50
Speaker 2: it wouldn't matter you play the Gangster's record. Girls was rapping,
23:54
Speaker 2: dudes is rapping, And we would go from club to
23:57
Speaker 2: club night tonight. It was just a feeling in New York.
23:59
Speaker 2: I always tell about that. You just could never change.
24:01
Speaker 2: It was just something about that.
24:04
Speaker 3: I mean, it was an amazing time, you know what
24:07
Speaker 3: I mean. Like when Street Records was you was able
24:10
Speaker 3: to dance to it. You didn't have to make a
24:13
Speaker 3: radio record, you know what I mean. But once your
24:15
Speaker 3: record took off in the clubs, you was kind of
24:19
Speaker 3: like pretty much out of it. I think the clubs
24:21
Speaker 3: dictated hits, which.
24:24
Speaker 4: Is not as much anywhere. And I know you got
24:26
Speaker 4: the tour that you're going on with Ray Kwan.
24:28
Speaker 3: Yep, we got that the thirtieth anniversary of the Cuban
24:31
Speaker 3: Links and the infamous album We're Gonna do the US,
24:34
Speaker 3: you know about like eighteen.
24:35
Speaker 1: Dates or whatever, and that's dope.
24:37
Speaker 3: Actually got rehearsal with Ray Kwan later on today, you
24:40
Speaker 3: know what I mean, because we taking it serious, like
24:42
Speaker 3: you know, we some ogs. You know, she gotta do
24:43
Speaker 3: our two steps, make sure we're good.
24:47
Speaker 2: I wanted to know too when you signed with fifty,
24:49
Speaker 2: When y'all did the deal with fifty, Yeah, break that down.
24:51
Speaker 2: And while y'all decided to sign that deal, and where
24:54
Speaker 2: were y'all at that point as far as.
24:55
Speaker 1: Mob deep to you.
24:56
Speaker 3: I mean, if you get off of some ferraris, you
24:58
Speaker 3: gotta go side the deal absolutely, but nah, fifty called me.
25:03
Speaker 1: We was free agents at that point. I think we
25:05
Speaker 1: had been on jove.
25:06
Speaker 3: If we sold one hundred and fifty thousand records the
25:08
Speaker 3: first week, that wasn't good enough for job today. I
25:10
Speaker 3: mean that's like probably platinum or something like that.
25:12
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but it was.
25:14
Speaker 3: Happy with exactly, So I guess we was ahead of
25:17
Speaker 3: our time or not whatever it is. But fifty called me,
25:23
Speaker 3: and I had already worked with fifty, like maybe a
25:25
Speaker 3: year before that before he was bubbling on the mixtaps,
25:27
Speaker 3: I remember, and he was one of my favorite artists,
25:29
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. We did bump that and
25:31
Speaker 3: clapped those things or whatever, and that was supposed to
25:33
Speaker 3: be for my solo album, loud Folded never came out.
25:37
Speaker 3: And then the next thing, you know, a year later,
25:38
Speaker 3: somebody ain't fifty cents just going bubbling, right, So we
25:42
Speaker 3: kept that relationship going, and by the time we became
25:44
Speaker 3: free agents, gave me a call said I don't want
25:47
Speaker 3: to sign y'all.
25:48
Speaker 1: He swept us up into the g unit. Umbrella went
25:51
Speaker 1: on tour and restless history.
25:54
Speaker 2: Why how come you never signed more artists? Because you
25:56
Speaker 2: you were the producer, you were the artist. How could
25:58
Speaker 2: you could have I'm sure signed fifty early on besides Bennoy,
26:01
Speaker 2: who did y'all true? You know what it is?
26:04
Speaker 1: I guess I haven't ever found the artist that I
26:07
Speaker 1: truly like, yo, like I can.
26:10
Speaker 3: I just don't want to sign somebody just to sign somebody,
26:12
Speaker 3: like I guess my my bar is high, you know,
26:15
Speaker 3: I really want to sign that artist. Now, this is
26:17
Speaker 3: an artist that I did want to sign that she
26:20
Speaker 3: wasn't signed at the time. It was a Jazmine Sullivan.
26:22
Speaker 3: She just came into like right because back then I
26:26
Speaker 3: was like getting people to throw reference vocals and Steve
26:29
Speaker 3: I was working with stevebej and he knew her and
26:32
Speaker 3: got her to the studio and I.
26:34
Speaker 1: Was like, god damn. I was like, Yo, she's nice,
26:37
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
26:37
Speaker 3: But she's one of those artists that you know it's
26:40
Speaker 3: going to get a major record deal and get signed.
26:42
Speaker 3: You got to come with the business if you want
26:44
Speaker 3: to sign a Jazmine cellibent. But for instance, like, I
26:47
Speaker 3: don't run across artists like that all the time, and
26:50
Speaker 3: those are the artists that I really would have, you
26:51
Speaker 3: know what I mean? And they feud fall between.
26:53
Speaker 4: So you didn't sign her only because the deal situation
26:56
Speaker 4: was gonna be what you thought should be. Like, how
26:57
Speaker 4: did that not move?
26:58
Speaker 3: I wasn't ready, you know, I'm saying, I ain't gonna
27:00
Speaker 3: lie for you know, female artists is like hot maintenance.
27:03
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It come with a lot,
27:04
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, not to you know what
27:06
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
27:06
Speaker 4: I mean cause you got gam and branding. And I
27:10
Speaker 4: will say, although Jasmine Archie is a little different, but
27:16
Speaker 4: Jasmine Sullivant is one of the best singers period in
27:19
Speaker 4: the game, right. But I feel like it took people
27:21
Speaker 4: so long. It was hotels for me when people even
27:24
Speaker 4: started recognizing her the way that they should have. And
27:26
Speaker 4: she had been working for so long before that, so
27:28
Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of money was poured into that.
27:30
Speaker 4: So I understand what you're saying, But y'all didn't even
27:33
Speaker 4: have a conversation and attempt to see like what she
27:35
Speaker 4: would save to your offer.
27:37
Speaker 3: I had the conversation in my mind, you know what
27:39
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like I wish that I you know, because
27:42
Speaker 3: I was just you know, I was in my own way,
27:44
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But the artist in me
27:47
Speaker 3: wanted her to shine, you know what I mean, and
27:49
Speaker 3: not even you know, try to get in her way.
27:51
Speaker 3: But you know that's what it is, like I never
27:54
Speaker 3: come across.
27:55
Speaker 1: All this or that caliber. It's really hard, right, Like
27:58
Speaker 1: you know, so I want.
28:00
Speaker 4: To go back to the fifty sign y'all conversation. I
28:03
Speaker 4: know when you guys signed with fifty and drop music.
28:05
Speaker 4: A lot of the fans were happy about that, yeah.
28:09
Speaker 3: Because you know what I always say it like this,
28:11
Speaker 3: fans are like your parents, right, they never want to
28:15
Speaker 3: see the kids grow, right.
28:16
Speaker 1: Oh, I want you to stay my baby, Please don't
28:19
Speaker 1: get older. And that's what artists are to the supporters
28:22
Speaker 1: and fans, right. They never want to see them go.
28:24
Speaker 3: Outside the box or grow a little bit commercial, right,
28:27
Speaker 3: because it is just ruined, you know that that relationship
28:30
Speaker 3: that they have. And I believe that the our fans, right,
28:34
Speaker 3: because it probably was a mix of the audiences together.
28:37
Speaker 3: Like on one hand, fifty is grimmy, right, like he
28:40
Speaker 3: got the streets on lock, but then he went super commercial, right,
28:43
Speaker 3: and sometimes you know the streets they kind of resent
28:47
Speaker 3: that commercialness, you know what I'm saying of an artist
28:50
Speaker 3: going that big because they just want that foundational music,
28:53
Speaker 3: and they probably were scared that once we signed a
28:56
Speaker 3: G unit that we was probably gonna become this commercial group.
28:59
Speaker 1: But it couldn't have been further from the truth, because.
29:01
Speaker 4: The point of y'all sign of that deal was you
29:03
Speaker 4: wanted that expansion of the of the business. Do you
29:05
Speaker 4: feel like at that point, y'all make it? Because when
29:07
Speaker 4: you released from the contract, there was no more business
29:09
Speaker 4: with fifty after right?
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Speaker 1: No?
29:11
Speaker 4: And was that because of the way that the fans
29:13
Speaker 4: reactor or.
29:13
Speaker 1: No, no, no, No, It wasn't because of that.
29:15
Speaker 3: I think it was a lot of different factors surrounding
29:19
Speaker 3: that whole G unit In the scope thing, you know,
29:21
Speaker 3: I think fifty was getting pushed back at in the
29:23
Speaker 3: scope regardless of anything because he was just so you know,
29:28
Speaker 3: strong minded, you know what I mean. And at that time,
29:32
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, we sold this amount of records, all right,
29:34
Speaker 3: you know, got ahead, do what y'all need to do,
29:37
Speaker 3: because fifty was fighting really hard to push us, and
29:40
Speaker 3: he was getting a lot of pushback, Like MTV wasn't habited,
29:44
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
29:44
Speaker 1: They was like, play what mall deep with? You know
29:48
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And he would just sneak us.
29:49
Speaker 3: On TRL with him. You know what I mean, Like,
29:51
Speaker 3: come on, you know what I mean. They didn't want us,
29:53
Speaker 3: did Why because we don't fit into the job of
29:57
Speaker 3: music y' yeah we don't. We We from the streets,
30:00
Speaker 3: like you know what I'm saying.
30:01
Speaker 1: They like, you know, they you know, they gate keeping
30:03
Speaker 1: a little bit up there. They like, Nah, were good.
30:06
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Give us somebody else.
30:08
Speaker 4: Do you feel like because I asked a question to
30:10
Speaker 4: get here, do you feel like because of the box?
30:14
Speaker 4: I guess that the fans kind of put you guys in.
30:15
Speaker 4: It hurt my deep as a business looking back then
30:19
Speaker 4: to where things are now.
30:21
Speaker 3: Man, it's different ways to look at that. I would
30:23
Speaker 3: say no, right, because staying true to your fan base,
30:26
Speaker 3: it's cool, you know what I'm saying. I mean, you
30:29
Speaker 3: don't really want to do nothing outside of that. Like
30:32
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to make no pop records with like
30:34
Speaker 3: Christina Aguilera and all of that stuff. I mean, you
30:36
Speaker 3: know what I mean, because it's not who I am now.
30:39
Speaker 3: The music just becomes fake, you understand.
30:41
Speaker 1: But if I was of that, then sure we'll make it.
30:43
Speaker 3: Like certain artists was able to do that, but that
30:46
Speaker 3: wasn't mall deep now, and if we was gonna go
30:49
Speaker 3: that direction, we should have started that early on.
30:51
Speaker 1: But that wasn't mal deep. We started grassroots from the bottom.
30:54
Speaker 2: Like you know, I do. Got a question. You produce
30:57
Speaker 2: for Big fifty, Nas, Meth, Kanye, Wes, Eminem, ll, Mariah,
31:02
Speaker 2: just the name of a few. Who is your favorite
31:04
Speaker 2: to work with besides producty? Who was your favorite to
31:06
Speaker 2: work with with with production? And why?
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Speaker 4: Uh?
31:09
Speaker 3: My favorite artist to work with that I produced for,
31:12
Speaker 3: I would have to say, Uh, probably was like Jadakiss, Wow,
31:19
Speaker 3: a little Kim, because those are artists that I really
31:24
Speaker 3: respect and revealed. I mean, like Jadakiss is like one
31:27
Speaker 3: of the best lyricists out there, so like to work
31:30
Speaker 3: with him. You know, it's a pleasure because he compliments
31:35
Speaker 3: your beat so well. You could give him a trash
31:38
Speaker 3: beat and he make.
31:39
Speaker 1: It sound good. You understand what I'm saying.
31:40
Speaker 3: So it was it was really a pleasure because he
31:43
Speaker 3: and he you know, he's kind of humble when it
31:44
Speaker 3: comes to you know, being in the studio and the artist.
31:47
Speaker 3: He he wanted the producer to take him in that direction.
31:50
Speaker 2: Now you're very humble and now with production what was
31:53
Speaker 2: your favorite beat to produce?
31:56
Speaker 1: Why?
31:56
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying by Jada Kiss because I
32:01
Speaker 3: just you know, it wasn't really too much of a
32:03
Speaker 3: big deal for me when I made the beat. I
32:05
Speaker 3: mean the beats not don't got crazy bells and whistles,
32:07
Speaker 3: but as you can see it, it's minimum production. But
32:11
Speaker 3: he just turns it into this whole big production, you
32:14
Speaker 3: know what I mean. With Anthony Hamilton. Then he's questioning,
32:17
Speaker 3: going why why this is why that? You know at
32:19
Speaker 3: the times when we got a lot of questions.
32:21
Speaker 1: So I love doing that for him.
32:23
Speaker 2: Also wanted to ask, right, besides why, what was the
32:26
Speaker 2: most difficult track to get cleared?
32:29
Speaker 1: To get clear?
32:29
Speaker 2: To get clear?
32:31
Speaker 3: Uh, the most difficult tract to get cleared probably was,
32:38
Speaker 3: Uh we did a print sample one time.
32:41
Speaker 1: Uh hell.
32:46
Speaker 2: So you had to send it to Prince.
32:48
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, we said there and he was like, hell,
32:50
Speaker 1: I was at the studio with you and every day,
32:52
Speaker 1: but little bro, we ain't clear that Prince. Yeah yeah, yeah,
32:55
Speaker 1: it was me and Snoop was there too. Snoop made
33:02
Speaker 1: the post to what happened. So I was in the
33:05
Speaker 1: studio with time Electric Lady, Electric Lady.
33:08
Speaker 3: I think he even owned the studio at one point.
33:11
Speaker 3: It's right there on West Fall Street or whatever it was.
33:13
Speaker 3: So I'm in there, we're working on the album. I
33:15
Speaker 3: figured what album it was. And one of my homeboys
33:17
Speaker 3: that I used to just have driving me around was like, yo,
33:19
Speaker 3: princes outside, I'm like, get that out of there.
33:21
Speaker 1: You're crazy, you bugget yo. Prince walked in my session, yo.
33:26
Speaker 2: Like pants on and he didn't.
33:29
Speaker 3: He didn't have leather pants on, but he was like
33:31
Speaker 3: my height, and I'm sure, like you know what I'm saying.
33:34
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, but you know, but his presence
33:36
Speaker 3: is just like crazy. And he started helping me.
33:39
Speaker 1: With the keys and playing on the keys and then
33:41
Speaker 1: just whist the way he just left. That.
33:45
Speaker 3: Didn't even get a picture with him, No nothing back then.
33:47
Speaker 3: I don't even think the phones was ready for pictures
33:49
Speaker 3: back then, you know what I mean.
33:50
Speaker 1: But that was my Prince story.
33:52
Speaker 2: So what was the beat? So he so, y'all, Actually
33:54
Speaker 2: it was some song that.
33:55
Speaker 1: Ended up I think that should not kill Yeah.
34:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot where it ended up at, but you know,
34:02
Speaker 3: it was snoop on the record, prints on the keys
34:06
Speaker 3: and we just wrap it and you wouldn't even be
34:08
Speaker 3: able to tell that Prince placed any keys on it
34:10
Speaker 3: because it was just really simple. But the fact that
34:13
Speaker 3: he did, you know what I'm saying, is something that
34:15
Speaker 3: I definitely would never forget.
34:17
Speaker 2: That's crazy. I thought you're gonna say god Fall the Part.
34:19
Speaker 1: Three, Well, that was a hard tape for the Clad too.
34:23
Speaker 2: That How did you because that was my movie.
34:26
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's Steve Rifket magic. You know what
34:28
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
34:28
Speaker 3: Steve Rifket, he know how to do business to clear
34:31
Speaker 3: some samples. So we definitely cleared that.
34:34
Speaker 4: I saw a report that that song actually wasn't that
34:36
Speaker 4: on the Infamous Archives, but you guys didn't improve it.
34:40
Speaker 1: Maybe it was.
34:41
Speaker 3: I it's so long ago, I don't even remember. But
34:44
Speaker 3: you you're probably right, you know what I mean?
34:47
Speaker 1: So fuzzy.
34:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got some memories.
34:49
Speaker 2: No you got I wouldn't you? Do you get paid
34:52
Speaker 2: every time I see one of these stores sell a
34:54
Speaker 2: Mob Deep the infamous Mob Deep shirts. Do y'all get
34:56
Speaker 2: paid over that?
34:57
Speaker 3: Well, if it's official merch, yes, But I combat infringement
35:02
Speaker 3: every day, yo, I mean, they just they I mean,
35:05
Speaker 3: and it looks so good and so like I want.
35:07
Speaker 2: To buy it.
35:10
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, you know, sometimes I go to shows
35:13
Speaker 1: and they be having on this merge that I know,
35:15
Speaker 1: mall deep diss sanction.
35:17
Speaker 3: I don't want to say nothing to them, but if
35:19
Speaker 3: we have a problems imagined wu tang, it's the most know.
35:23
Speaker 3: So these are things that we got to combat every
35:26
Speaker 3: day that people don't even understand.
35:29
Speaker 1: Like they said, oh, it's so easy to be an
35:30
Speaker 1: artist and you y'all just sit back, you go to
35:32
Speaker 1: the shows. Nah, there's a business aspect where you got
35:35
Speaker 1: to protect the trademark. It's serious.
35:38
Speaker 4: What's the fright? I mean, it is very serious, specially
35:40
Speaker 4: because you have so many years of so much history
35:43
Speaker 4: and y'all fans spend across so many age ranges. What's
35:46
Speaker 4: the fight like right now? Though? Like are there certain
35:49
Speaker 4: stores or people like where you even aiming to because
35:52
Speaker 4: y'all stuff is everywhere everywhere.
35:54
Speaker 3: I mean, look, we we do license deills with certain brands,
36:00
Speaker 3: whether it be you know whoever like Supreme or thing,
36:05
Speaker 3: and that's another.
36:06
Speaker 1: Story, you know what I mean.
36:07
Speaker 3: We had a horrible time over there that something happened
36:10
Speaker 3: and they used the image and we got sued.
36:12
Speaker 1: It was like crazy, But those are things.
36:14
Speaker 3: That you have to like kind of watch out for.
36:16
Speaker 3: But we license out the brand sometimes, you know what
36:20
Speaker 3: I mean. But more than not, infringement is rampant.
36:26
Speaker 2: What Supreme y'all used the picture that y'a didn't taken.
36:29
Speaker 2: The photographer came back.
36:30
Speaker 1: And it was the dragon image, you know what I'm saying.
36:34
Speaker 3: And I kind of forgot about it because I got
36:36
Speaker 3: the tattoo, so I'm not even really thinking about it.
36:39
Speaker 3: I think in the late nineties early two thousands, they
36:43
Speaker 3: had used the image in some group I'm not going
36:45
Speaker 3: to say they name, said oh that's out and nobody
36:48
Speaker 3: knows them. They probably got like, no, lie, two hundred
36:50
Speaker 3: followers on Instagram. Nobody knows them, you know what I'm saying.
36:53
Speaker 3: But they took advantage of an opportunity. It is a
36:56
Speaker 3: federally trademarked image, you know what I'm saying. They got
36:59
Speaker 3: the rights and they told us back in the nineties
37:02
Speaker 3: and say hey stop and then I forgot you forget.
37:07
Speaker 1: So pre was like, yo, is this yours?
37:10
Speaker 3: I was like, oh yeah, yeah yeah, But you know,
37:13
Speaker 3: the lawyers was like, okay, we're gonna check it, right,
37:15
Speaker 3: that's the lawyer's job.
37:16
Speaker 1: They didn't check it. The lawyer said, like, I'm gonna
37:20
Speaker 1: check it. You understand what I'm saying. I'm like, all right, cool,
37:22
Speaker 1: you know, go check it. I'm making beads, like you
37:25
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Go ahead, But you gotta really
37:28
Speaker 1: be diligent because getting sued is not fun. It's not funny.
37:34
Speaker 1: It costs a lot of money. You have to answer it.
37:38
Speaker 3: And we settled, of course, and it's just you giving
37:40
Speaker 3: away free money. You understand hard working money.
37:43
Speaker 2: So and I meant to ask, you know, with all
37:45
Speaker 2: the stuff that you produced and all of the records
37:48
Speaker 2: that you've done, do you get all your money from
37:51
Speaker 2: that stuff? Cause you had a lot of times that
37:53
Speaker 2: when artists do something, they don't get their money. Somebody
37:55
Speaker 2: else gets the money. Do you get all your money
37:57
Speaker 2: from them?
37:57
Speaker 3: I was fortunate enough to do a publishing deal early
38:00
Speaker 3: that was super fit, right, I didn't sign away all
38:03
Speaker 3: my publishing, And I'm down with people that collect diligently.
38:07
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying things.
38:08
Speaker 3: But you know, of course, there's going to be corners
38:10
Speaker 3: pockets in the world where you're not collecting, and then
38:13
Speaker 3: new forms pop up. They like, oh yeah, back in
38:15
Speaker 3: the days, y'all didn't know that this was over here
38:17
Speaker 3: and y'all could collect the back and there's a bag
38:19
Speaker 3: sitting over there like overseas somewhere for whatever it is.
38:23
Speaker 1: But for the most part, we get our bread like
38:26
Speaker 1: for real, you know what I mean.
38:28
Speaker 3: I hear horror stories and I feel bad for all
38:30
Speaker 3: this and whoever took advantage of them, you know what
38:32
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
38:32
Speaker 1: They need to be you know, it's a special place
38:34
Speaker 1: for them.
38:34
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask, what's the biggest bag you ever
38:36
Speaker 4: you ever missed out on, because just business wise, you
38:39
Speaker 4: didn't plan for that.
38:40
Speaker 3: The biggest bag I missed out on was for a
38:45
Speaker 3: super Bowl commercial. They wanted to use the Mab Deep
38:48
Speaker 3: music in the super Bowl commercial and for whatever reason,
38:52
Speaker 3: a lawyer took too long and we missed out on
38:55
Speaker 3: the opportunity.
38:55
Speaker 2: So yeah, that hurt still hurt with this album as
39:00
Speaker 2: a passion project, because obviously you don't need the money
39:02
Speaker 2: if you're still getting paid.
39:04
Speaker 1: I ain't say that.
39:06
Speaker 2: Infinite is out this Friday, and we appreciate you for
39:09
Speaker 2: joining us.
39:09
Speaker 3: Man.
39:10
Speaker 2: I love these stories and I just love to see
39:12
Speaker 2: the growth because I was a kid in Queens and
39:14
Speaker 2: I watch what y'all did, and we we admired that,
39:17
Speaker 2: you know, I mean from the driving the cars, the
39:20
Speaker 2: shooting the shook Ones video to all that we got
39:22
Speaker 2: a chance to see it. So the fact that you're
39:23
Speaker 2: still heavy and you're still doing it, man, we appreciate you.
39:26
Speaker 4: And this is we got a date for the method
39:28
Speaker 4: Man Covid Covid album.
39:29
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the memphd Man Covid.
39:31
Speaker 3: We don't have a date, but me and him are
39:32
Speaker 3: actively in the studio and he tried to put me
39:35
Speaker 3: in the head like I didn't let him, but he said,
39:37
Speaker 3: we gotta.
39:37
Speaker 4: Finish this album for a couple of months for a date,
39:40
Speaker 4: but okay.
39:41
Speaker 1: We'll have one. So though, thanks for joining us, though,
39:43
Speaker 1: thank you, thanks for having me.
39:44
Speaker 2: The album comes out this Friday. It's Havoc. It's the
39:47
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club. Good morning, every day, Breakfast Club.
39:54
Speaker 1: Finish y'all.
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Speaker 2: Dump