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Nikki Missing: 'Smoking Gun' Cracks Case Of Missing Mom Wide Open · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful young mom, Nikki
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Speaker 1: Chang missing, but now a smoking gun cracks the case
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Speaker 1: of the missing mom wide open. Good evening, I Meansie Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Mom's Chevy is found abandoned on a
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Speaker 1: remote country road. Nicki's case is a homicide investigation.
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Speaker 2: There are several assaults on Niki.
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Speaker 1: A brutal assault on Niki prior to her disappearing, prior
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Speaker 1: to her Chevy being found abandoned on a remote country road.
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Speaker 3: She thought she was going to die.
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Speaker 1: Where is Niki?
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Speaker 3: Where is missing Mom?
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Speaker 1: Nikki? She's absolutely gorgeous and this is where the whole
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Speaker 1: thing started.
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Speaker 4: Listen Wednesday night, around eight thirty, Nikki Sale McCain is
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Speaker 4: in our bedroom combing her hair. Her husband of thirteen years,
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Speaker 4: Tyler McCain, arrives home in a strange mood for no
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Speaker 4: apparent reason. Tyler McCain aggressively jumps on top of Niki,
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Speaker 4: holding her on the ground, then dragging her around, yelling
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Speaker 4: what are you doing?
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Speaker 1: Nicky?
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Speaker 4: Says Tyler McCain's eyes are glazed over. Nick tries calming
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Speaker 4: her husband, but it doesn't work, and he holds her
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Speaker 4: down and begins hitting her in the face. The terror
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Speaker 4: escalates over a three hour period, with McCain binding Nicki's
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Speaker 4: wrists and ankles together with tape, putting tape over her
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Speaker 4: mouth so she couldn't speak properly, rolling his wife onto
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Speaker 4: her stomach. Tyler McCain sits on her back, pulling her
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Speaker 4: hair back, forcefully pulling her head back, and telling her
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Speaker 4: he's going to kill her.
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Speaker 1: And it gets worse. The terror she endured in that
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Speaker 1: one episode was just part of years and years of horrific,
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Speaker 1: horrific domestic abuse. Can you imagine that being bound at
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Speaker 1: wrists and ankles with tape, tape over your mouth so
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Speaker 1: you can't speak, you can barely?
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Speaker 3: And there's more.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 4: After three hours of Tyler McCain allegedly beating his wife,
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Speaker 4: the mother of his four children, hitting her about the
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Speaker 4: face and head, blackening her eyes, pulling out her hair,
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Speaker 4: and taping her mouth shut, he leaves her alone and
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Speaker 4: goes into the kitchen. Getting herself loose from the bindings.
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Speaker 4: Nicki Sale McCain grabs a rope with her car keys,
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Speaker 4: runs outside and gets in her car. Tyler McCain chases
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Speaker 4: Nikki out of the house and jumps onto the hood
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Speaker 4: of the car, telling her to stop. Ignoring his demands,
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Speaker 4: Nicki flees to the safety of her sister's home. In reading, the.
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Speaker 1: Only reason we know details of that episode is because
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Speaker 1: she actually went to the hospital that time, and it
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Speaker 1: was documented how many hundreds of other episodes of violent
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Speaker 1: domestic abuse occurred before Nicki mysteriously disappears. In the last days,
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Speaker 1: A so called smoking gun cracks this case wide open,
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Speaker 1: straight out to special guests joining us. I call them
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Speaker 1: the Nicky Sisters. It's Kay four and Chloe Sally. Nicki's
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Speaker 1: both of them, Nikki's sister.
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Speaker 3: Kay.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember when you first heard about that particular
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Speaker 1: domestic violence episode.
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Speaker 2: I do you remember? It was the first time she
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Speaker 2: had gone to the police, gone to the hospital, so
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Speaker 2: we finally had a record of the abuse. Obviously, that
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Speaker 2: was a horrible, horrible instant for her, but we at
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Speaker 2: least knew that this was officially being recorded and she's
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Speaker 2: making a report, so we were hopeful that it would
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Speaker 2: be the stuff for more help.
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Speaker 1: You know, Kay, you and Chloe look so much like Niki.
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Speaker 1: Do People tell you that they do they do. That
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Speaker 1: must be very unnerving to sometimes look in the mirror.
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Speaker 1: Every once in a while, I catch myself as I'm
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Speaker 1: walking by a glass plate and I think of my father.
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Speaker 1: I looked just like my dad. That must be very
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Speaker 1: unnerving for you guys to look in the mirror and
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Speaker 1: see basically an image of Niki. Chloe also joining us
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Speaker 1: in addition to Kay on what is a very momentous
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Speaker 1: evening because a so called smoking gun has cried this
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Speaker 1: case finally wide open. But Chloe, do you recall when
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Speaker 1: you first learned the details of that particular violent episode.
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Speaker 5: When I first learned about that episode, my heart was broken.
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Speaker 6: It was I just.
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Speaker 5: Couldn't believe it, because how could someone that loves another
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Speaker 5: person do that to someone that they love?
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Speaker 1: You know, Chloe, was this the first time you learned
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Speaker 1: about those beatings or did you know about it before?
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Speaker 5: I think that I had a suspicion. Nicky never came
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Speaker 5: out for about the dose that was happening, But I
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Speaker 5: think that was the first one that she actually came
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Speaker 5: forward with and she came to me about it.
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Speaker 1: Well, here is the thing to friends. Borghart Franz is
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Speaker 1: a criminal defense attorney or now criminal defense attorney, founder
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Speaker 1: of Borgkhart's law firm, former prosecutor and professor Louisiana State University. Franz,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us at Franz. While we
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Speaker 1: can all sit back and say, well, obviously we know
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Speaker 1: he did it, he's the one responsible for her disappearance,
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Speaker 1: it's not that easy. There's this little thing called proof,
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Speaker 1: called evidence in a court of law. We know he
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Speaker 1: violently abused her, the mother of his children, for a
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Speaker 1: really long time, and then she mysteriously disappears, But that's
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Speaker 1: not enough to take it to court, is it.
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Speaker 7: Franz, You're absolutely right. The first thing is the state
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Speaker 7: has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was
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Speaker 7: a murder, that there was in fact a murderer, which
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Speaker 7: they can do. We call it corpus blecti. They can
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Speaker 7: do that, but in the absence of having a body,
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Speaker 7: in the absence of having a body, we lack certain evidence.
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Speaker 7: We lack a murder weapon, we lack the means of
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Speaker 7: the actual murder, and that is problematic for the state
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Speaker 7: and presents fantastic defenses to this accused individual. I'm sure
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Speaker 7: there is argument for motive. He was being prosecuted for
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Speaker 7: domestic violence. But I don't think that that's enough. And
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Speaker 7: on top of all that, they've got to get the
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Speaker 7: other crimes evidence into the instant homicide case. They probably
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Speaker 7: will be able to do that, Nancy, but they still
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Speaker 7: have to litigate that to establish that they can bring
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Speaker 7: out this other past, these past incidents for the purposes
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Speaker 7: of murder, for the purposes of opportunity, for the purposes
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Speaker 7: of knowledge and intent, to even get that into the
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Speaker 7: murder trial. So it's not necessarily okay for the state.
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Speaker 8: Franz.
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Speaker 1: You know what, blah blah blah. What you're saying is
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Speaker 1: the state has to jump a hurdle in order to
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Speaker 1: get a similar transaction into evidence. So what I've brought
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Speaker 1: in a million similar.
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Speaker 3: Transaction pieces of evidence. It's not hard.
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Speaker 1: You have to show that the case in chief is
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Speaker 1: similar to a prior incident, so that the prior incident,
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Speaker 1: in this case, a violent beating, tends to prove the
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Speaker 1: case in chief. I can't bring in a shot lifting
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Speaker 1: or an armed robbery or carjacking in this case. I
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Speaker 1: have to bring in something similar and connectod in time
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Speaker 1: to my case in chief, which I submit is murder.
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Speaker 1: That said little Man Franz. You're absolutely correct, there has
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Speaker 1: to be an evidentiary hearing. But you started off talking
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Speaker 1: about a no body case. Another newsflash. Okay, a lot
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Speaker 1: of no body cases have been tried and one, here's
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Speaker 1: the recent one, the case of a young mom of
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Speaker 1: two little boys, Anna Walsh.
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Speaker 4: Listen after his wife, Anna Walsh vanishes. Brian Walsh is
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Speaker 4: buying cleaning products, large tarps, buckets with lids, and splash
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Speaker 4: resistant goggles. He also makes trips to six dumpsters in
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Speaker 4: five days, so police install GPS tracking devices on vehicles
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Speaker 4: used by Walsh and his mother. As the investigation heats up,
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Speaker 4: a fire burns through a home that Anna Walsh, her husband,
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Speaker 4: and three boys moved out of the previous year. Police
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Speaker 4: Chief William quickly says the fire is highly strange. They
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Speaker 4: will get to the bottom of it. The chief says
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Speaker 4: the department is doing a full ground search for any
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Speaker 4: clues Danna Walsh's whereabouts?
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Speaker 1: Okay, of course, Anna Walsh's. The body not been found,
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Speaker 1: but guess what. They're heading to trial right now. After
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Speaker 1: all of his Google searches for things like how long
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Speaker 1: does it take for a dead body to start smelling?
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Speaker 1: Really and then of course there's Kelsey Bareth. What an
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Speaker 1: incredible woman, a beautiful young woman, the mother of a
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Speaker 1: one year old little girl. She had her pilot's license
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Speaker 1: and she was raising her little girl all by herself
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Speaker 1: when bam she goes missing. Wow, I wonder who did that?
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Speaker 1: Her fiance The body was never found, so a no
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Speaker 1: body case. As Franz at Boardcart aptly described, it can
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Speaker 1: go to trial. Is it hard, Yes, of course it's hard.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it impossible? No, it is not impossible. Back to
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Speaker 1: Kate Ford, this is Nikki Chang's sister along with Chloe Salely. Okay,
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Speaker 1: even though you guys suspected there had been violent abuse
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Speaker 1: in the past, when did you realize this was different.
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Speaker 1: You hadn't heard from Nicki, You couldn't get in touch
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Speaker 1: with Nicki, and Nicki never came back.
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Speaker 2: I think leading up to and kind of talked about.
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Speaker 2: We knew after the domestic violence incident, the one that
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Speaker 2: she went to the hospital for made a report. She
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Speaker 2: was adamant about leaving Tyler and taking care of herself.
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Speaker 2: Leading up to her disappearance. She it's almost like she
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Speaker 2: changed a little bit. She she seemed forgiving almost she
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Speaker 2: seemed she kind of let us know that she felt
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Speaker 2: sorry for Tyler and she didn't want him to get
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Speaker 2: in trouble.
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Speaker 1: So wheared Wait, why White, you said, NICKI felt sorry
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Speaker 1: for Tyler, her tormentor as she forgave him.
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Speaker 3: I don't think she heaven.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that leads me to something very important, because that's
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Speaker 1: how I think she got taken. Doctor Bethany Marshall is
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Speaker 1: with US renowned psycho analysts out of the LA jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: author of deal Breaker. You can see her on peacock
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Speaker 1: Now and find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. In addition to trying violent felonies in Intercedi,
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Speaker 1: Atlanta at Night, I worked as a volunteer at the
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Speaker 1: batter Women's Center, and I dealt with so many women
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Speaker 1: that wanted to hold their family together, and they would
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Speaker 1: let the attacker, the husband, the partner, the man back
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Speaker 1: in for the sake of the children, so the children
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Speaker 1: would have a father figure. And the next thing you know,
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Speaker 1: they turn up missing or dead or in the hospital.
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Speaker 1: What leads women to forgive or relent on the attacker.
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Speaker 9: I think of domestic abuse as a crisis of boundaries.
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Speaker 9: In other words, the victim, Often a woman feels that
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Speaker 9: the husband's impulsivity, aggression, rage, pathological jealousy, envy is her fault.
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Speaker 9: That's the crisis of boundary. She feels that she is
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Speaker 9: causing the man's suffering. Therefore it is up to her
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Speaker 9: to fix it. So when the man becomes out of
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Speaker 9: control or enraged or batters, she thinks, what did I do?
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Speaker 9: She blames herself, and then she becomes overly concerned about
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Speaker 9: the perpetrator's feelings and then Nancy, I'm sorry, you.
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Speaker 1: Really lost me at it's her fault because here's Nikki
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Speaker 1: Chang in the hospital she's had her which is a
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Speaker 1: whole other psychiatric or psychological issue, where he taped her
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Speaker 1: mouth so she couldn't speak, he didn't want to hear her,
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Speaker 1: bound her hands and fate beat her, sat on her,
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Speaker 1: and it goes on all the ways he tortured her,
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Speaker 1: and she thinks, that's her fault. You just said that
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Speaker 1: I've got you on take that is not a revault.
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Speaker 9: Imagine Nancy, your husband stalks you, texts you, calls you, incessantly,
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Speaker 9: tries to alienate you from your friends. And he does
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Speaker 9: it so many hundreds and thousands of times over the
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Speaker 9: course of years that you actually begin to believe him,
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Speaker 9: and you think you've done something wrong, and you start
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Speaker 9: to cower, and you start to change all of your behaviors.
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Speaker 9: Then he isolates you from your finances. You have no
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Speaker 9: way to even make a purchase without it pinking his
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Speaker 9: cell phone. So then he picks up the phone and
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Speaker 9: asks you what you've bought. All of a sudden, you
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Speaker 9: don't have food on the table for your children. You
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Speaker 9: don't have a paycheck, so you have no way to
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Speaker 9: get your own apartment or have your own independence.
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Speaker 1: You're trapped.
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Speaker 9: You're mentally trapped, psychologically trapped. You're like a little fly
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Speaker 9: in a big web, and you cannot get away. These
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Speaker 9: women do not want to be abused. No victim wants
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Speaker 9: to be abused. If your listeners don't remember anything else
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Speaker 9: about this show, remember that they are drawn in interaction
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Speaker 9: by interaction, slowly over the course of years until they
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Speaker 9: cannot get away.
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Speaker 1: In the last days, based on a so called smoking gun,
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Speaker 1: there has been a major break and the case.
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Speaker 10: Listen detectives also further concluded that Nicky's husband, Tyler Scott McCain,
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Speaker 10: is responsible for Nicki's death and disappearance. Detectives recently obtained
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Speaker 10: a murder arrest warrant for Tyler McCain, and today at
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Speaker 10: about ten fifteen am, Tyler McCain was arrested. He was
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Speaker 10: ultimately booked in the Shafts County Jail with no bail
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Speaker 10: for the murder of Nicki. Today, where we ultimately have
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Speaker 10: an arrest of a murder suspect and a bodyless case.
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Speaker 10: If you will, These cases are layered, meticulous, require months
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Speaker 10: of investigation, hundreds and hundreds of personnel hours, not just
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Speaker 10: from investigators, but from law enforcement boots on the ground,
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Speaker 10: from support services, from forensic evidence, all across the board.
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Speaker 10: It is very labor intensive and it is crucial that
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Speaker 10: all that evidence is collected, preserved, and processed accordingly to
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Speaker 10: make the case.
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Speaker 1: Where is missing Mom Nicki?
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Speaker 5: We haven't heard from her, and that wasn't very likely
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Speaker 5: of heard.
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Speaker 1: Sisters realized immediately something is wrong when Nikki is not
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Speaker 1: responding as she normally would have to text messages.
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Speaker 2: She was bound and beatened and that he tried to
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Speaker 2: drown her, but he was too tired, so that's why
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Speaker 2: he poured the water on her face.
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Speaker 1: Tried to drown her. Guys in the last days, an
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Speaker 1: amazing breakthrough in the search for Nicki Chang. No, we
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Speaker 1: have not found her, We have not found her body yet,
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Speaker 1: but there has been an arrest. And as Franz Borghart,
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Speaker 1: a veteran trial lawyer and professor, says, well, it's a
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Speaker 1: nobody case. Well that may be true, that may be true.
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Speaker 1: The same thing was said about Suzanne more Few. Does
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Speaker 1: anybody remember Suzanne more Few? To Dave mac joining me
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter, Remember when we all went out
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Speaker 1: to Salida and searched and worked and worked that case
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Speaker 1: trying to find out what happened to the mom of
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Speaker 1: To Suzanne Morphew, there was an arrest of the husband
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Speaker 1: and the whole thing was dropped and lo and behold, years
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Speaker 1: past and her body is found dumped in basically a
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Speaker 1: burial ground out in the middle of nowhere. Dave Matt
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Speaker 1: remember that it didn't stay a nobody case forever, Dave.
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Speaker 11: It didn't And Nancy, when they found those bones, they
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Speaker 11: were actually looking for someone else. It was one of
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Speaker 11: the most amazing things that ever happened. And once they
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Speaker 11: got those bones, they.
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Speaker 12: Were able to determine so many different things about what
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Speaker 12: happened to Suzanne Morphew, because those bones had not been
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Speaker 12: sitting out to the elements the entire time we were
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Speaker 12: all looking for her.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Dave Matt, I'm so glad you said that. So
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Speaker 1: Franz Borghart's I'm giving him a hard time, But he's
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Speaker 1: actually a veteran criminal defense attorney. He is a former prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: He's a professor Louisiana State University. Franz Borghart goes on
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Speaker 1: and on about a no body case as if it's
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Speaker 1: never happened before. Brians Gibbons joining me, director of Operations
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Speaker 1: USPA Nationwide Security, who leads a team of investigators trying
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Speaker 1: to find missing people and unsolved Thomas sides Brian in
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Speaker 1: the Susanne Morphew case. When the body, well, it was
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Speaker 1: just bones by the time her remains were found out
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Speaker 1: in this wasteland area. They could actually tell, as Dave
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Speaker 1: mac just said, that she hadn't been there for the
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Speaker 1: entire time since she was killed, because they could tell
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Speaker 1: by the way the condition of the bones. They could
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Speaker 1: also tell by getting bone marrow that she had been
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Speaker 1: shot with a very powerful animal sedative, a tranquilizer, and
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Speaker 1: only as I recall, correct me if I'm wrong, Dave
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Speaker 1: mac only two people in the state had it and
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Speaker 1: one was guests who Barry Morphew her husband. And let
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Speaker 1: me just point out, Brian before you take off that
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Speaker 1: in the home they found one of the tranquilizer dart caps.
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Speaker 1: Really he washed it with the sheets. I mean that
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Speaker 1: said no body cases can be tried, but can we
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Speaker 1: talk about how much better it would be if we
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Speaker 1: could find her remains? And how are we going to
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Speaker 1: do that? Brian?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, certainly, Nancy, and listen, there's been approximately seven hundred
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Speaker 8: no body homicide cases in the last twenty five years,
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Speaker 8: and they have a really high conviction rate. Is the
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Speaker 8: thing we need to remember. It's twenty twenty five. There
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Speaker 8: have been crazy advances in forensic technology, all right. The
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Speaker 8: resources at play in Nicky's case, you have the FBI,
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Speaker 8: Department of Homeland Security, Shasta County Sheriff's Office collaborating with
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Speaker 8: those organizations. So they're going to have tremendous evidence to
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Speaker 8: bear in front of a jury.
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Speaker 1: Back to Kay and Chloe. First, to you, Kay, I
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Speaker 1: want you to listen to this.
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Speaker 6: Under the laws of the state, of California. We're not
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Speaker 6: required to have a person's body in order to charge murder.
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Speaker 1: That's what we.
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Speaker 6: Call a nobody homicide case. That is what we filed.
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Speaker 6: And I'm sure many of you are asking, No, we've
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Speaker 6: never filed that type of case in Shasta County before.
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Speaker 6: But we are going to work very hard on this case.
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Speaker 6: And to me, despite not finding her body, we have
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Speaker 6: been provided with overwhelming evidence to prove that not only
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Speaker 6: is Nikki dead, but that Tyler McCain is responsible for
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Speaker 6: her murder.
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Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Okay, what went.
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Speaker 1: Through your mind when you found out Tyler McCain has
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Speaker 1: finally been arrested. Now, first of all, before you tell
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Speaker 1: me that, can you please tell everybody about how he's
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Speaker 1: got the girlfriends Like I'm slung up in his house.
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Speaker 2: We've seen many posts about potential girlfriends at the house
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Speaker 2: that Scott speaks pretty loudly to. You know, you're not
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Speaker 2: expecting your wife back.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of Scott Peterson, kay, because
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Speaker 1: Lacey's body had not been found yet, her pregnant body,
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Speaker 1: and he had already tried to Oh there he is
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Speaker 1: in all of his splendor and glory. He had already
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Speaker 1: tried to sell the house where she lived. They lived together,
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Speaker 1: expecting their first child. He tried to sell her car
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Speaker 1: and ordered the porn channel immediately turned the baby's room
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Speaker 1: into a storage room. So obviously he did not expect
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Speaker 1: her to walk through the front door. Why because he
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Speaker 1: knew she was dead? Why because he killed her? Now,
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Speaker 1: if you can recall Kay or Chloe, how quickly after
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Speaker 1: NICKI goes missing, your sister, your lookalike sister, did he
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Speaker 1: move the first missed thing into their house?
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Speaker 5: It was within I think like a week, two weeks.
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Speaker 9: I just remember.
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Speaker 5: There was a lot of chatter online and a lot
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Speaker 5: of people.
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Speaker 1: Actually, I'm sorry, wait, I think my earplug I have
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Speaker 1: be must not be working. Did you say a week?
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Speaker 1: One week?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Continue And there were pictures of a female at his
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Speaker 5: home as well too, so that just confirmed the story
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Speaker 5: even more, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, to you, Chloe, how did you guys find out
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Speaker 1: that Nikki had only been missing a week before? He
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Speaker 1: moved a girl, a girlfriend and not the girlfriend, but
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Speaker 1: a girlfriend. There's been a long parade of them.
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Speaker 5: Sorry, as did you say, how did you find out?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
20:25
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was posted online on. There was a few
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Speaker 5: Justice for Nikki pages up on Facebook and it was
20:33
Speaker 5: posted online and then there were also pictures as well too.
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Speaker 1: Wait are you telling me he posted photos of the
20:40
Speaker 1: other woman on the Justice for Nicki pate.
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Speaker 5: There were people who would drive by Tyler's house just
20:46
Speaker 5: to kind of see what was going on, and they
20:48
Speaker 5: were seeing the same female that was outside of his
20:51
Speaker 5: home with Tyler, and then someone from the girl. Her
20:57
Speaker 5: family members were also concerned because they've also found out
21:01
Speaker 5: that their sister had been staying at Tyler's home, and
21:04
Speaker 5: so that's kind of how we found out also as well,
21:07
Speaker 5: to confirm the story even.
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Speaker 1: More, Lauren Colin joining me investigative reporter, star of Pop
21:13
Speaker 1: Crime TV on YouTube, Lauren Conlin, of course, I'm sure
21:18
Speaker 1: when I go back to him, Franz Borghart is going
21:22
Speaker 1: to say that means nothing. That doesn't prove he's a
21:24
Speaker 1: mergerer just because he's a cheater. What do you know
21:27
Speaker 1: about all the girlfriends?
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Speaker 13: Well, the community has really rallied around helping Nicky and
21:32
Speaker 13: being there for Chloe and Kay and the children. So
21:35
Speaker 13: I saw these pictures in the Facebook group and I
21:38
Speaker 13: was shocked. But Nancy, I want to point out that,
21:41
Speaker 13: you know, you mentioned this case started out as a
21:43
Speaker 13: missing person's case, but it wasn't until March of twenty
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Speaker 13: twenty five that it was actually deemed a homicide case.
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Speaker 1: And that is.
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Speaker 13: When they actually were able to serve a search warrant
21:54
Speaker 13: to Tyler and searched Tyler and Nikki's home in Anderson, California.
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Speaker 13: And you know, we still don't know what they found
22:03
Speaker 13: in that search. It is still very unclear, but we
22:06
Speaker 13: know at that point they deemed Nikki a victim of
22:10
Speaker 13: a homicide.
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Speaker 10: Based on the evidence gathered, information learned from interviews, and
22:14
Speaker 10: the fact that no one in Nicky's family has seen
22:17
Speaker 10: or heard from Niki since her disappearance, the detectives has
22:20
Speaker 10: determined that Nikki is a victim of homicide.
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Speaker 3: A young mom, Nikki Chaine, is still missing.
22:28
Speaker 1: She was faking horribly. Her mouth was covered in tape,
22:32
Speaker 1: cold water was poured on her.
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Speaker 2: She thought that was going to be the end, that
22:36
Speaker 2: was going to be the time he did it, and
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Speaker 2: she was scared, scared to death.
22:39
Speaker 1: She was scared for her life.
22:40
Speaker 2: And she did state that the next time, if it
22:43
Speaker 2: were to ever happen again, could be could.
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Speaker 1: Be it Nicki missing, believed dead in the last days,
22:52
Speaker 1: finally and arrest. What is a smoking gun? We think
22:56
Speaker 1: we know? Listen?
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Speaker 6: Counts ten through twelve are for very violations occurring. On
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Speaker 6: April first of this year, after Nicki had been reported
23:06
Speaker 6: missing for almost an entire year, McCain was observed throwing
23:09
Speaker 6: items out of his vehicle and when he was pulled
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Speaker 6: over on his possession was a burnt California driver's license
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Speaker 6: for Nicki McCain.
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Speaker 1: So isn't it correct, Dave matt One of the last
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Speaker 1: times we know Nicki Chang was alive, she was driving
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Speaker 1: her truck which was found in a very obscure area abandoned.
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Speaker 3: She was driving the truck right correct.
23:32
Speaker 1: She was actually driving her mother in law and presumably
23:36
Speaker 1: with her driver's license right.
23:37
Speaker 4: That would be correct.
23:39
Speaker 1: So explain to me, Lauren Colin, how husband Tyler McCain
23:43
Speaker 1: is busted throwing out her burned driver's license, which we
23:49
Speaker 1: believe was on her the last time she was seen alive.
23:52
Speaker 1: Tell me how that happened.
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Speaker 13: Yes, he was pulled over in April of twenty twenty
23:57
Speaker 13: five after he was seen kind of unable to stay
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Speaker 13: in the correct lanes and then as the report mentioned,
24:04
Speaker 13: he was seen growing various things out the window, and
24:08
Speaker 13: detectives located his wallet, and inside his wallet was Nicky's
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Speaker 13: California driver's license, which investigators said had partial burn damage
24:19
Speaker 13: to it. And Nancy, remember in July of twenty twenty four,
24:24
Speaker 13: a fire spread across Tyler and Nicky's property of almost
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Speaker 13: ninety eight acres.
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Speaker 1: You're seeing shots and video of the fire right now,
24:34
Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin. How does the fire fit into everything? So
24:38
Speaker 1: he is burning evidence and got out of control.
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Speaker 13: I mean, we don't know that for sure, Nancy, but
24:43
Speaker 13: I think that many of us surmise that this is
24:47
Speaker 13: the case here and again with Nicky's body not being
24:50
Speaker 13: located yet. You know, my head also goes that way.
24:54
Speaker 13: But you know you mentioned Scott Peterson in March of
24:57
Speaker 13: twenty twenty five. You know they had eyes on on Tyler.
25:00
Speaker 13: They brought him in to this press conference where they
25:04
Speaker 13: made him speak again, just like Scott Peterson, and it
25:08
Speaker 13: is so uncomfortable to watch. In my opinion, Nancy, Tyler
25:13
Speaker 13: appears to be uncomfortable himself. He says things like I'm
25:16
Speaker 13: just here in support. He actually even says I'm sorry
25:20
Speaker 13: and I just you know, I can't imagine what was
25:24
Speaker 13: going through Chloe and Caveshead at that time. But again,
25:28
Speaker 13: I want to give props to law enforcement who have
25:30
Speaker 13: worked so diligently over the last year to get this arrest.
25:35
Speaker 1: Speaking of that awkward press conference, you're absolutely right, Lauren Colin.
25:39
Speaker 1: Let's take a look at Tyler McCain blathering I'm.
25:42
Speaker 11: Trying to.
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Speaker 14: Nikki kan the first office, w I forget involved any
25:55
Speaker 14: efforts that are health by my phone. We miss you.
26:07
Speaker 14: I really know what say. I haven't been in the
26:11
Speaker 14: other guys. I've been done very well with it. Apologize everyone,
26:18
Speaker 14: especially my children, my wife's pie as well. I'm just
26:29
Speaker 14: seringer part. So anything that I can do, I.
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Speaker 12: Want to do that.
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Speaker 1: Straight Back to veterman trial lawyer, former prosecutor, now defense
26:37
Speaker 1: attorney Franz Borghart, I guess you always tell your clients
26:41
Speaker 1: keep your pie hole shut, because he's there saying, uh,
26:45
Speaker 1: we miss you.
26:46
Speaker 3: Like somebody had to pinch him to say it.
26:49
Speaker 1: I can't wait till they play that for the jury.
26:51
Speaker 1: What about it, Franz.
26:52
Speaker 7: It really makes my life easier when they keep their
26:54
Speaker 7: mouth shut. And you know what the funny thing is, Nancy.
26:58
Speaker 7: Had he been quiet like a morning hauntsband. I think
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Speaker 7: people understood that, But that statement not good for his defense.
27:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's talking, Franz about how much he misses NICKI.
27:10
Speaker 1: I guess he and his girlfriend were really missing her
27:13
Speaker 1: a lot.
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Speaker 7: Franz, Well, you got to prove that that's his girlfriend.
27:17
Speaker 7: A social media post in twenty twenty five of somebody
27:20
Speaker 7: with you is not necessarily a relationship. So we're gonna
27:23
Speaker 7: have to give him a little bit of reasonable doubt
27:25
Speaker 7: on that.
27:25
Speaker 1: Oh, nothing can make me happier than to put miss
27:28
Speaker 1: Thing up on the stand and cross examine her about
27:30
Speaker 1: when she started having sex with Tyler McCain. What was
27:33
Speaker 1: it the night Nicky went missing? I can't wait to
27:36
Speaker 1: do that. Thank you. That's an excellent idea. Franz to
27:40
Speaker 1: Kay and Chloe, question which one of you were standing
27:43
Speaker 1: directly by him during that press conference?
27:47
Speaker 2: That was me? Kay?
27:48
Speaker 1: How did that feel? Did you just want to give
27:51
Speaker 1: him a little finger necklace?
27:53
Speaker 2: I actually wanted to encourage him to speak more. I
27:56
Speaker 2: knew he had more to say, and I tried to
27:59
Speaker 2: make tact and be supportive to see if he would
28:02
Speaker 2: speak more. But yes, deep down it was I'm just
28:05
Speaker 2: very difficult.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious, Chloe, what was going through your mind at
28:10
Speaker 1: the time he was talking about how much he missed Nikki.
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Speaker 5: I was expecting a little bit more from him, just
28:17
Speaker 5: kind of like what Kay was saying, trying to encourage
28:19
Speaker 5: him to say more. I actually didn't know what to
28:22
Speaker 5: expect when he was speaking. But the whole time I
28:25
Speaker 5: was like, what, that's all you could have said. You
28:27
Speaker 5: couldn't say like I love her so much, I wish
28:29
Speaker 5: she was home. I just wish he would express something
28:32
Speaker 5: more like a husband who was really missing their wife.
28:35
Speaker 5: But I got the company opposite.
28:37
Speaker 1: But you know, he shacked up with other women and
28:39
Speaker 1: not just one, so anything he said about missing her
28:42
Speaker 1: would have been a big, fat lie, Chloe, And that's true.
28:46
Speaker 5: I think it just showed exactly what type of person
28:49
Speaker 5: he was and showed how little he cared for NICKI.
28:52
Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's the perfect segue for Franz Borghart
28:54
Speaker 1: to talk about how this is not a miss congeniality
28:57
Speaker 1: contest where we don't have to like him, we just
29:00
Speaker 1: have to find out if there's evidence to convict him.
29:04
Speaker 1: But his whole spiel about please bring Nikki hum reminds
29:08
Speaker 1: me of somebody else, somebody named Chris Watts.
29:12
Speaker 7: I want my family back like I want them safe,
29:14
Speaker 7: and I want them here like this house is not
29:16
Speaker 7: the same.
29:16
Speaker 1: I want everybody back.
29:17
Speaker 2: That's why everybody.
29:18
Speaker 12: I need everybody back here and everybody's safe.
29:20
Speaker 1: From our friends. Sat KAUSA crime stories with Nancy Grace.
29:34
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Brian Fitzgibbons, how many times have
29:37
Speaker 1: you seen the perp trying to make themselves cry? Making
29:41
Speaker 1: a tearful play? Now? I got to give it to
29:43
Speaker 1: Susan Smith. She actually did drum up some tears when
29:45
Speaker 1: she begged for the return of her two boys that
29:48
Speaker 1: she killed. So, Brian, what do you make? And I'm
29:51
Speaker 1: glad Lauren Colin brought it up. I was talking about
29:54
Speaker 1: the burned driver's license of Nicky's found in his wallet
29:59
Speaker 1: and he trying to get rid of it. There was
30:01
Speaker 1: that fire on his property and it was chalked up
30:05
Speaker 1: to a catalytic converter. Wow, okay. So his wife goes missing,
30:09
Speaker 1: the wife that he has been terrorizing, binding, putting duct
30:12
Speaker 1: tape over her mouth, beating her, trying to drown her.
30:15
Speaker 3: She goes missing.
30:17
Speaker 1: Suddenly a fire breaks out and now we have her
30:20
Speaker 1: partially burned driver's license. But for s Gibbons, first, his
30:23
Speaker 1: plea for Nicky's return.
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Speaker 8: Really perplexing Nancy in the hubrisk for him to get
30:29
Speaker 8: in front of a camera is shocking, right. And you
30:33
Speaker 8: know when we're talking about these fires and their fires plural, right,
30:37
Speaker 8: we have the one at the Olinda Road residents, but
30:40
Speaker 8: there are other fires at properties associated with McCain that
30:44
Speaker 8: I think we're going to see come out and trial
30:46
Speaker 8: maybe connected to this case.
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Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't bode well for finding her remains if
30:52
Speaker 1: he is a firebug, because you know, Brian, I probably
30:55
Speaker 1: need a shrink doctor Bethany to explain this. In her jargon,
31:00
Speaker 1: you always see a perr falling back on that with
31:04
Speaker 1: which they are familiar. Here's Scott Peterson, perfect example. He
31:09
Speaker 1: likes to fish, So where did he dispose of Lacy
31:12
Speaker 1: and Connor's bodies one of his fishing holes? Right, this
31:16
Speaker 1: guy is a firebug. He's connected, as Brian fus Gibbons
31:19
Speaker 1: pointed out to several Arsons, several burning incidents.
31:23
Speaker 3: Let me rephrase.
31:25
Speaker 1: That makes me think, when you don't know a horse,
31:27
Speaker 1: look at his track record, that's probably what he did.
31:30
Speaker 1: With Nicky's body.
31:31
Speaker 9: And wasn't Chris Watts associated with the oil industry if
31:34
Speaker 9: I recall correctly, and that's where he secreted his best
31:37
Speaker 9: daughter's bodies.
31:39
Speaker 1: Similar not just associated, it's not just associated, You're dead
31:42
Speaker 1: on again. He took his wife, Shenan's body and the
31:47
Speaker 1: daughters of his two little girls, Bella and Celeste, and
31:51
Speaker 1: put Bella and Celeste in oil drums and buried Nikki
31:55
Speaker 1: there on the Anadarko oil fields in a shallow grape
31:58
Speaker 1: where she had coffin post mortem, she gave birth to
32:02
Speaker 1: baby Nico there would have been their first son. You're right,
32:05
Speaker 1: another good example, doctor Bethany.
32:07
Speaker 9: I'd be curious about what the children saw, what's the
32:10
Speaker 9: new girlfriend experiencing? What did the extended family see? This
32:14
Speaker 9: is a firebug, and this is a rage aholic who's
32:17
Speaker 9: just going to keep doing it again and again. I
32:19
Speaker 9: think can tell he's behind bars.
32:21
Speaker 1: To Nikki's sister, Chloe. Chloe, how many children did NICKI
32:26
Speaker 1: have with McCain?
32:28
Speaker 5: Tyler and Nikki have four children together, so.
32:31
Speaker 1: Now they don't have a mom. I'm just thinking about
32:35
Speaker 1: the genesis, how her disappearance and death occurred. We don't
32:39
Speaker 1: know all the answers, but we do believe we have
32:43
Speaker 1: a motive that McCain murdered his wife, Nikki, the mother
32:48
Speaker 1: of four, to stop her from testifying against him in
32:52
Speaker 1: that horrible domestic violence episode.
32:56
Speaker 6: It is our belief that Tyler McCain murdered his wife,
32:59
Speaker 6: Nicki mckein prevent her from testifying in the domestic violence case.
33:03
Speaker 6: This enhancement elevates the murder charge from a sentence of
33:06
Speaker 6: twenty five to life to life without the possibility of parole.
33:10
Speaker 6: Had we gone forward with the domestic violence case in
33:12
Speaker 6: twenty twenty four, we would not have been able to
33:15
Speaker 6: prove that case without her testimony without also having to
33:19
Speaker 6: prove that McCain caused her disappearance. Count nine charges forgery
33:24
Speaker 6: occurring May twenty ninth, again after Nicki went missing. Around
33:28
Speaker 6: May eighteenth, shortly after Nicki was reported missing. This forgery
33:33
Speaker 6: charge results out of a forge signature on a joint
33:37
Speaker 6: tax return check that we believe that Tyler McCain forged
33:41
Speaker 6: her signature to cash that check.
33:43
Speaker 1: Oh my stars, according to prosecutors, he killed her and
33:46
Speaker 1: then forced her name to get the tax return. Chloe
33:50
Speaker 1: Sally and Kay Ford with us the Nicki sisters who
33:54
Speaker 1: have been fighting for justice for Nicki since day one?
33:58
Speaker 1: To Kay, do you believe and have you been led
34:01
Speaker 1: to believe that her remains will be found?
34:05
Speaker 2: I feel confident with the evidence that the detectives have
34:09
Speaker 2: collected and also the I do have confidence in our community.
34:13
Speaker 2: Although I don't believe her body is known at this point,
34:17
Speaker 2: I do feel good about people coming forward. We have
34:20
Speaker 2: already even receiving a lot more tips as of Tyler's arrest,
34:25
Speaker 2: and yeah, I do think that we're going to recover
34:27
Speaker 2: her body.
34:27
Speaker 1: I'm very curious about this smoking gun that was the
34:32
Speaker 1: final straw and led to the arrest of Tyler McCain
34:36
Speaker 1: and what prosecutors say is the murder of Nikki Chang.
34:40
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Doctor Bethany Marshall, could you explain why he
34:43
Speaker 1: would have kept Nicki's driver's license in his wallet.
34:47
Speaker 9: I don't think it's that deep or mysterious. I think
34:50
Speaker 9: he needed her ID so he could continue to take
34:52
Speaker 9: advantage of her financially. He's already forging a signature on
34:56
Speaker 9: a tax return, all right. I think we'll find more love, fraud, loves, swindling,
35:02
Speaker 9: financial mouthfeasons. I think We'll find that he had many
35:05
Speaker 9: reasons to have her gone, that this was not just
35:07
Speaker 9: an outcropping of domestic violence that went too far, That
35:10
Speaker 9: he already had other girlfriends that he probably stood to
35:15
Speaker 9: gain financially in some way. He needed her out of
35:18
Speaker 9: the way. So what better way to take advantage of
35:22
Speaker 9: somebody who's already gone than to hold on to all
35:25
Speaker 9: their identification. I think he found to find a million
35:29
Speaker 9: uses for that driver's license, Nancy, because obviously if it's burned,
35:33
Speaker 9: he was in the process of incinerating something and then
35:36
Speaker 9: he went in and retrieved it. So why would he
35:38
Speaker 9: retrieve it if he didn't want to use it in
35:39
Speaker 9: some way?
35:40
Speaker 7: You know?
35:40
Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, I think that there is more to it,
35:44
Speaker 1: because I'm saying, investigated, prosecuted so many cases where killers
35:49
Speaker 1: keep mementos of their victims, and I've always found it
35:53
Speaker 1: curious for them. It's like I would keep ticket stubs
35:57
Speaker 1: or photos or programs of when the toy had an
36:00
Speaker 1: honor event or that means something to me, and to
36:03
Speaker 1: just look at it, you may not even know what
36:06
Speaker 1: it is, but I would know what it is. I
36:08
Speaker 1: think it's not just to use her id for practical purposes.
36:12
Speaker 1: He had it with all of his other pictures and
36:14
Speaker 1: things he kept in his wallet. He kept that. He
36:17
Speaker 1: kept that after exercising complete and total control over her,
36:22
Speaker 1: binding her hands and feet, putting duct tape over her mouth,
36:25
Speaker 1: beating her, or trying to drown her, and even after
36:29
Speaker 1: he killed her, according to prosecutors, he kept that so
36:33
Speaker 1: he could see it every day.
36:35
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was a really shocking development, Nancy. And it
36:38
Speaker 8: goes against you know, one of the things that Tyler
36:41
Speaker 8: had told Nicki's family early on is that she had
36:44
Speaker 8: left on her own volition. Okay, so you know, when
36:47
Speaker 8: we take those pieces of information together, why would she
36:50
Speaker 8: leave without her driver's license? And then why would he
36:53
Speaker 8: keep it and not advise Shasta County sheriffs that he
36:56
Speaker 8: had it and that she didn't have it in her possession.
36:59
Speaker 1: Lauren Collin joining us Pop Crime TV. I still don't
37:02
Speaker 1: get why these women are attracted to Tyler McCain. I
37:05
Speaker 1: don't get it. I'll look at him, I say, the devil.
37:07
Speaker 1: What's special about him?
37:09
Speaker 3: What does he have other than his wife's house?
37:12
Speaker 13: Now, I'm with you, I mean without knowing the guy,
37:15
Speaker 13: I don't know, Nancy, is it the bad boy thing.
37:18
Speaker 13: I have no idea. I can't even speculate on that.
37:22
Speaker 13: But one other thing I want to point out. I
37:23
Speaker 13: thought Brian made some really great points. But prosecutors also
37:28
Speaker 13: described an overwhelming odor of decomposition coming from the bed
37:33
Speaker 13: of Nicky's truck where they found a sheet and it
37:37
Speaker 13: had Nicky's blood on it.
37:38
Speaker 1: You heard the Nicky sisters stating that since Tyler McCain's arrest,
37:44
Speaker 1: more tips are coming in. There is currently a thirty
37:48
Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward still in place for information regarding Nicky's
37:55
Speaker 1: remains thirty thousand dollars. If you know or think you
37:59
Speaker 1: know anything but the location of Nikki or her remains,
38:03
Speaker 1: please dial five three zero two four five six' five
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