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Speaking With Old Guard MRA Dan Perrins on Men's Mental Health, Big Red and More | Fireside Chat 230 · Honey Badger Radio

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All right, we are live. Hello everybody, and welcome Honeybage Radio.
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My name is Brian and this is the Fireside Chat and I am here with
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one of the the vets, the vets of the men's movement. I think
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the I called it the Old Guard, not not because of the beard,
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but just because you've been doing this a long time, Dan, parents,
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right is how you say it? Parents? Yep? Okay, like parents
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was just here sauce. Yeah, so Dan, in case you guys well,
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first of all, welcome to the show. Dan. It's good to
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have you. I haven't seen you since. Uh. I think I ran
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into you. I went up to Toronto for a talk that Warren Farrell was
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giving because he was sort of promoting his book The Boy Crisis, and you
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were there. Do you remember that? Yeah? I was there, you
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know, quick quick parents there, m Yeah, that was yeah. I
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ran into you there, and I haven't. I haven't made it to crawl
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with you often lately. It's been kind of dodge everyone. Yeah, it's
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pretty darky everywhere, you know cities, people are desperate. Oh yeah,
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yeah, that's that's not good. So I shared a clip at the beginning
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that you guys might remember from the from the early days of like the internet,
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uh feminism and their clashes with MRA's and it's it's it's Chanty Banks.
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I forget her real name, but that's sort of like one of her screen
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names. We call her Big Red. And I wanted to share the Big
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Red clip because Dan, you were there, you spoke to her. I
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think she was actually yelling at you when that thing was going down? Is
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that right? Yeah? I was there at ground zero, ground zero?
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Could you what can I say? Bad? Yeah, Nanty did all the
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time, you know. So I'm actually really curious about the story of how,
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like how what happened that day? What was all that about? How
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did you find yourself across from probably the largest feminist meme on the internet period,
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like the biggest meme. And I'm so grateful, by the way,
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it too shanty for that. I'm so grateful for Big Red because she is
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embodied, you know, like what we were up again? So well,
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I think that it's you know, so, what's the story of how did
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you end up there? And what was up with that? Well? At
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the time, I believe I was the Ontario news director for a Voice for
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Men and they asked me to go out danceing. And there had been some
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previous protests at the Canadian Association for Equalities lectures and the one that was being
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given that night when I faced chanty was it was Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young,
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and I think it was the second second book in their three part series
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on miss andry. So there, you know, there I was, and
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there there there they were out in the out in the hallway. They're banging
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on the lockers, making all kinds of raucous and to be honest with you,
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I if you look at the videos from that, you will see Professor
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Catherine Young and she looks concerned, like somewhat like almost scared. She would
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look really somewhat concerned. Yeah, so the fire alarm goes off, everybody
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has to leave. We know that it's a false alarm. It is what
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it is. Yes, we're outside, and there was there was I think
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about four of us, four or five of us that were from you know,
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various parts. Voice for men send up some people and yeah, there
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are a voice for men send up some people from out of Toronto, out
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of Ontario. And so all of us head outside. And if you watch
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that video, I keep on looking left because our only avenue of escape if
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things went nasty was right behind me. And I believe it was John.
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I can't think of the last name, but John was often left. They're
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interacting with some individuals and there's some individuals interacting with me, and you know,
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it was basically we were the small we were the underdogs. If anything
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went I was gonna ask, like, how many you were you guys outnumbered,
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because you know, you couldn't really see like how big the big the
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crowds were outside if I had to, you know, thinking back, I'd
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say, maybe there was thirty people in the in for the talk, maybe
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thirty to fifty people, and it must have been it would probably be pretty
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close to a hundred of the protesters that showed up, maybe a little bit
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more. So there's you know, quite a quite a discrepancy in numbers,
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and so anyways, yeah, so I'm just kind of watching. I I've
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actually got a video out there where Chanty actually points me out and then not
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more than three minutes later she shows up. At the time, I was
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wearing a voice for Men's sticker and uh, you know, I had it
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on kind of you know, identifying me. So I was you know,
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obviously had a you know, big red target on my on my chest,
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and she thought it out and then off she went reading her her list,
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her list. Yeah, that she kept on saying she didn't know where it
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came from. But if you looked at her tumbler feat there her old tumbler
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uh blog, whatever it was she you know, she she loves who the
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heck was it that wrote that that that article. If I say I don't
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hate men, will you believe me? Or something like that, Lyndy West
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Yes, And so you know, she she fleets stupidity and ignorance. And
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meanwhile, you know, on her blog, on her tumblr blog, well
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I want to marry Lindy West, all right, So yeah, I buy
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that one. She you know, any any time, you know what,
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Today I kind of thought about things a little bit and come to the conclusion
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and this fits perfectly with what chant he did. So I'm of the mind
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that feminism is the immaculate perception. All other views are considered blasphemy and to
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be you know, called out and shut down. And yes, hello,
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say hi charger, Hi charger, Hello, say hello to the dog.
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Everybody. JoJo's not here because Lindsay is here, So JoJo's with Lindsay.
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Normally I have a camera with my dog Jojo. He's like an American foxhound
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mix and he like sleeps in is the bed it's right behind me here,
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and I have a separate cam for Jojo, but he's not here today.
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So I'm glad the charger is here because we need like some dogo representation,
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right puptriarchy? All right? Yeahlin is him? What's up? What is
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his breed? By the way, he looks like a melan law. Yeah,
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he's half shepherd, half husky. Okay, and nine years old and
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he still pulls like a mule. He's in fantastic shape. But yeah,
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and and and he's he's rare in the goal. If there's a female within
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fifty miles, he's ready. He's still got yea. Yeah. Anyway,
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you were talking about shanty and feminism being like a religion. Yeah, so,
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yeah, it's the immaculate perception. Only their view is is holy.
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You know, it's sacra sank the holiest of holies. Any other views,
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that's it. It's got to go. It's the devil's work. So so
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what chance he read off there? And every time I tried to you know,
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point out something. She would just scream, it's not for you,
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mister entitled face, eightyways, blah blah blah blah blah, and off she
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went. So yeah, that's kind of how she ends up in my face.
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And you know, we we kind of interact back and forth. But
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he like, again, if you keep on, if you look at that
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video, I keep on looking left because I was. I was worried too.
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It was serious out numbering going on, and our only, uh,
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our only egress was to go right back into the building and that was,
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you know, kind of semi crowded as well. So yeah, it could
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it could have gone bad, very very easily. Didn't, thankfully. So
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you said there was a guy named John with you. Was it John Hembling?
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John the other? Oh really? Oh okay, so it was John
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the other John Hembling. Yeah, I'm actually friends with him on Facebook.
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Yeah, he used to make he used to work with Allison and Karen and
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stuff on videos back in the day. Yeah you know, yeah, so
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yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah, this is like twenty thirteen,
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so it's you know there, you know, ten years ago sort of deal.
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Then, yeah, just over ten years. So what else comes out?
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Of that it is okay. So now you know, chant He's got
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my attention sort of deal. I don't know why this person kind of picked
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me out and you know, decided that they were gonna it. Almost to
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me, in my mind, it seemed like she was she wanted me to
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pop say something stupid or do something stupid. Oh yeah, for sure,
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just the way how obnoxious she was being. So yeah, I kind of
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you know, she got my attention, and I wrote an article about her,
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and I took my time five days. I waited five days to put
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that article out because I as soon as I seen what was happening, I'm
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like, this is really this is really good. But danger will rogers dangers
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because you know, any you know a lot of people really really didn't like
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what she did, and understandable, but you know, like to the point
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where there were some comments that there's no way and tell that I would ever
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condone them, you know, disavow one thousand percent. So I was really
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kind of concerned about that. I have no I've never had any any hatred
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for per Chanty. Always pity always must be hell going through life with that
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much hate in your soul. Oh yeah, for sure, absolutely that is.
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I'm glad you said that. You know, I've actually been trying to
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reach Chanty Banks for years. I want to get her on the show.
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Her tumbler is is it's still there, I think, but she doesn't post
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on it anymore. She's basically left social media and said that she's been like
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claims anyway that she's been harassed off of it. I don't think that that's
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the case. I think that she's just really ashamed. That's what I That's
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what I'm hoping, because that's sort of like you know, you're ashamed and
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then you sort of repent and then you try to like do better, you
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know. But I actually tried to get her on. I'm still trying to
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get her on. So if anybody has any way, I would love to
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get her on, and just I don't want to fight with her or anything.
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I just want to talk to her because you know, Cassie j pulled
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it off for her movie. She pulled off the Incredible and got her on,
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and I'm like, how did you do that? Like I've been trying
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to do this for years, because you know, I want to thank her,
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like I was saying, you know, uh, big Red's done more
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for essentially the fight against feminism than I think most MRAs could have hoped for
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her. You know, you know, I like as soon as I started
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seeing things popping, like when I got home from Toronto, I don't know,
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two o'clock in the morning of the next day, I can't remember.
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But you know, as soon as I just started seeing things pop online,
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I was like, oh my gosh, like, you know, this is
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a this is a volatile situation, and and you know, like like I
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wouldn't push ill upon anybody's sort of deal, like no, I mean,
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yeah, but you know I got no problems letting their own r you know,
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own those words. There are hers, they're not mine. So that
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that kind of played out there was so yeah, I wrote that article about
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five days back, and I've actually invited her on walks really all right,
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there's the other dog A charger was watching for her. So it's a polar
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dog walking spot here. Yeah, sure it looks nice, is it's not?
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Is it too hot? It doesn't look hot? Oh, it's beautiful
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out the correct break behind me, there's you know, all kinds of wildlife
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around here. You know, it looks kind of like close to us,
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like in Virginia. There's a river and we take Jojo. He loves swimming.
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So yeah, it looks it reminds me of where I am. Basically,
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where are you exactly right now in Canada? I assume, so I'm
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I'm about a mile away from McMaster University m hm, where that infamous Jorgan
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Peterson talk lecture took place. Oh yeah, back in two thousand and seventeen
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or eighteen, I think it was March the free speech, the free speech
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thing that he did outside we were surrounded by all the okay, yeah,
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well that was the thing that put him on the map. You're like close
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to all the hot spots then, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I've
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actually I would like to hammer home this point if you ever, yeah,
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you know, get older. She's more than welcome to come out for a
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walk and put some stickers off, and you know, and and like just
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like get over this kind of hump whatever. You know, it's open to
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everybody. I don't care who who puts a sticker up. You know,
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I'd rather I'd rather my enemy put my sticker up with that National Suicide Hotline,
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then you know somebody tear it down. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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So I want to ask you a little bit about your like how you
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got involved with this stuff. You and I talked a little bit before the
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show. You mentioned Earl Silverman and uh, you guys, in case you
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don't know, maybe tell us who Rol Earl Silverman is. You can probably
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do it better than I could. And you knew the guy. I didn't
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know him, and like, uh, is what happened with him? Why
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you got involved with this or were you quort of interested before or what I
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was? Okay, So the way that the state fell on my shoulders back
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in two thousand and nineteen, when a cop said, suck it up,
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we don't intend to encourse the law after an ex admittaged legal crimes against me,
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not not not not physical ones. So I started, you know,
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getting a little curious, why is this? You know, there's no team
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right here. And so I did a little digging, and you know,
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other things happened, and you know, I the more I dug though,
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the angry of the powers that beat got and you know, kind of bade
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me dig my heels in deeper. So anyways, two thousand and nine,
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the way of the state comes down on me. I you know, kind
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of worked through that, not really not greatly, not successfully, but I
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still, you know, I get through it, and I'm and I'm like,
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there's there's just something so wrong here. And so I start doing a
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blog and and you know, I come across Barbara Kay's writings and a few
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other things, and I start looking at the General Social Raise on domestic abuse
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and you know what the numbers are, and you know, I started looking
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at it, and I'm going like, there there's pretty much the one per
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cent difference for the last twenty years. What's going on here? Sort of
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deale and then you know, I kind of go on from there, I
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think shortly after that, after I started doing that, then Professor Holly Johnson
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and the hecks the name the Ottawa Coalition and Violence against Women OCTAVOW or whatever,
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which hidden in plain sight, and they they they they absorb all the
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male victims and claim them as female victims so that they put out goodness,
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Yeah, it was like one point three million women were abused, you know
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during the last General Social Survey, and what the real numbers were, it
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was five hundred and eighty five thousand men and six hundred and one thousand women
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that that you know, reported abuse in the general social survey. So they're
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just adding it together and seeing it's women. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah
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yeah. And they and so BA or whatever Ottawak coalition. They're also heavily
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involved in seed SEEDBA or SEEDBA or something like that un arm of the of
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the you know, a coalition end violence against Women's sort of deal. And
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you know, so like if if they're sloppy here, then they're sloppy there,
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and you know, they don't they don't like my name get called to
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her being dropped. So I post that from Paul hel him there, and
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I say, hey, Paul, can you give me a favor and you
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know, put this up there, and you know, so as soon as
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from there, it was just like, you know, jeez, I should
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just started getting noticed. Yeah, And then Earl Silverman reaches out to me,
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and you know, we chat back and forth, and he was up
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on uttering a threat charge which was two sixty I think that's two sixty four
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one as one of the Criminal Code or two sixty five. It's right there
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somewhere, and that's a strict liability law. And if I remember correctly,
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I think Earl said he was going to pull the lip over some some domestic
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or some some crown attorneys pulled a lip over some Crown attorney's head and that
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was continued, you know, like it was. It was. It was
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the most ridiculous thing. It was. It was a hyperbolic comment, not
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to be taken seriously. But because it's a strict liability threat or a strict
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liability charge, that means the onus fell on Earle to prove his innocence,
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proved that he wasn't being serious about his comment. So we started, you
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know, going back and forth. And he's running MASH at the time,
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which is the Men's Abused Shelter and Housing out of his house there in it's
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an Alberta but I can't remember exactly where it was. And he was doing
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fundraisers and I, you know, I bought brick even though I was kind
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of poor at the time, and I hung posters up for him and you
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know, put those around and you know, try to raise him money that
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you know, walked up and down the main drag here and Dundas and I
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you know, went to all the shops and and the ones that I figured
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would be perceptive and asked them, you know, hey, you want here
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we go this is the only shelter we got here in Canada for men.
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And we all know that, you know that things aren't exactly peachy for men.
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And I don't know how much of a response he got from that,
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but I did make the effort. And then he fell into serious troubles and
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U two weeks before his suicide there I talked to him and I gave my
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phone number. I said, you know, anything, just reach out,
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don't care what time, It's always open. And unfortunately he, uh,
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he didn't take me up on the office. So yeah, that's how that
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played out. And after that, uh, I mean, first of all,
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I guess it hit you hard. Were you close with him? Would
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you say, well, you know, we talked, you know a few
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times, you know, over a year sort of gale and and uh it,
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uh it bothered me. Yeah, I did, because you know,
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I was starting or starting to do the walks, because in two thousand and
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fifteen, that's the first year and I think sixty some odd National Mental Health
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weeks that they said, hey, holy shit, we got half a population
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we've been ignoring for sixty some odd year. Yeah. Yeah, but I
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was right around in there, and you know, I started looking at things.
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More more educated I became, the more I started looking at things and
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started to formulating that suicide needs to be the one that I should be hammering
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on for because from suicide, I can you know, I can talk about
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the forces, talk about job losses and housing losses, substance abuse, and
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you know, I can tie that back. I can. There's so many
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different things that are affect metro like and so it just seemed like the natural
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one for a small probably like me, to you know, go up against.
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Yeah, no, I have Suicide's huge. We talk about it frequently
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on the channel, and I understand that you help out, like writing articles
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for one of the mental health websites. I just had a guy on not
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long ago. I think, yeah, yeah, Phil Mitchell, that's right.
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Yeah, that's right for male Psychology, I think it is. Yeah,
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that's right, Center for Male Psychology. Yes, but a few other
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ones, doctor John Barry I've had on like in the past. Uh you
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know, so yeah, definitely a big, a big, big big thing
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that just now. You know, a lot of normies are starting to like
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see I mean they're talking about it as a male loneliness epidemic. But like
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that's sort of like amongst younger guys. But yeah, I mean, obviously
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suicidality is a is a big men's issue that is not being addressed because it's
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the people are trying to resolve the symptoms and not the cause, right like
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what the you know, what the what? Tracing it back, starting the
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story in the middle as it were. Yeah, So yeah, it's it's
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it's a tough it's a tough thing to get into. You're not gonna find
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many guys talking about it because they got you know, they got fed up
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with talking a long time ago, and they're you know, and they're buried
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already. Yeah, what's uh so yeah, all right, so I'm gonna
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open this one up sort of deal. So, yeah, I run Project
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Jeb. And what Project Jeb is is, it's a it's a thing,
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it's a lock that I do to raise awareness book mail suicide issue. Currently
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in most Western nations, English speaking nations, men are rocking seventy five percent
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of all suicide. That's that's a deplorable number. M Well. I came
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up with something called Project Jeb after the first dog that I went on the
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first walk with. His name was Jeff Charter. Is his replacement sort of
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job. So I figured, you know, after the first walk, I
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figured, what better way to honor that that hairy son of mine than to
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call something, you know, after him, Project Jeb. Leave him a
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legacy. So I come up with four pillars for Project Chef, which is
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number one. Toxic masculinity is toxic terminology. We can talk, we can
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talk toxic behavior all day long and not undermine a young man's ability to develop
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a healthy ego. Right. Conversely, with society put up with the term
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toxic feminity. You know, girls hold it in, they cut Apparently,
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this is what I'm told. Isn't that toxic behavior? Yeah, leave this
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open. There's my position. That's pillar one. Pillar two is that we
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should encourage our sons to talk a little bit more at an early age.
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And we should listen. Okay, not just handwave. Well, that's toxic
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masculinity to me, not just can't wait. We should listen, listen to
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their concerns. Maybe they have an issue going on, maybe they don't,
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but if we don't listen, we'll never find out. Well, we shouldn't
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shoot them down when they start expressing their feelings, because that's exactly what feminists
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do, is they'll say men need to talk about their feelings more. And
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then when a man says, well, here are some things I'm dealing with,
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they'll say, you know, wha wha male tears. Right. So
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it's like, if you're not, like you said, you know, you
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have to you have to be willing to listen. It's not enough to just
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say you know whatever, you have to like make especially with young men,
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they should feel comfortable about expressing themselves in whatever way they are comfortable. And
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when they're ready, you know, like you can't corner them and be like,
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you have to tell me, you know whatever. Right, Like,
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the way that men, the way that men heal emotionally, is different from
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women. It's not We're not gonna have a cry session most of the time.
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That doesn't work with men, right, get that, we're gonna get
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to that. Okay, okay, bill too, I'm sorry, go ahead.
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There's a flip side the pillar two about you know, our young bucks
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encourage them to talk, and that's our daughters. Encourage them. Get a
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little dirt underneath their fingernails. My god, they're not made of fine boom
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china. Get out there, build them for to enjoy themselves too. Right.
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Yeah, you know, like we should stop, you know, teaching
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our daughters that they are, you know, find fragile things they are not.
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Okay, that's my point there. Pillar three. Okay, we should
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be tweaking mental health services to make them more appealing to men. That's not
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to say takeaway from women's or you know, the current therapy, which is
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more female appealing. They talk based to fl what I mean by tweaking it
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a little bit to make it more appealing to men. Let's get their hands
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busy us guys who seem to like to be up to our elbows in an
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engine, and we'll say, hey, I'm having a little problem at home
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there or at my age, my prostate. You know, numbers aren't coming
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back at a good you know, at a good thing or something like that.
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Right, So yeah, get our hands busy, so our gums will,
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you know, so that we'll start talking. And if anybody doubts my
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word, just go down to the local bar and look at the hands being
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busy with the guys and how they're talking. That's pillar three. So that
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yeah, and pillar four there's an easy one. And again this applies across
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the board. Substances aren't Solutions. That's it Project Jeb in a nutshell.
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Yeah, that's on x or Twitter at project or hashtag project Jeb. I
25:30
put a link in the description also to your Twitter handles so people can follow
25:34
you. I followed you just a little while ago. Today, I just
25:38
got back on Twitter because I was permanently banned for pissing off the communists and
25:44
I had to make a new account, so I didn't really get My old
25:47
one is still banned. Elon Musk apparently hasn't noticed that I'm not there.
25:51
But so he's got his hands full. Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure
25:57
he doesn't have time for a small I like me. But all right,
26:02
But anyway, so you didn't he charge three hundred grand or something like that.
26:07
I don't know. Are people suing him, I'm sure, I mean,
26:11
well it was they wanted to have access to somebody. I think it
26:15
was Donald Trump's account grand or something. Yeah. Yeah, well, I'm
26:23
sure that that's not a problem for him. It shouldn't happen. No,
26:30
it is ridiculous, obviously. I mean there's all kinds of law fair and
26:34
political weaponization going on right now. I mean, but I want to go
26:41
back to the protest about one other thing I meant to mention you said that
26:48
one of the presenters was kind of like, you know, afraid for her
26:52
safety, righty, Do you do you think that there was? I remember
26:57
Kafee Young. Do you think that there was? Cause, like, did
27:00
you did you feel like things could have gotten bad where there? Because you
27:04
know, it's like if there's a bunch of women yelling like, that's one
27:08
thing, but if there's some white knights there and simps there that couldn't they
27:11
can get worse, you know, So do you think something could happen?
27:15
Is that why you're looking out for you know, you were making escape plans
27:18
in your head and stuff Toronto, you know, Toronto e Baltimore. But
27:23
it can be a little rough and the crowds that are coming out, you
27:26
know, it's the antique bah antique BA whatever, and you know they're not
27:32
exactly known for being diploma diplomatic masters. Yeah yeah, yeah, so okay,
27:42
so yeah, you know we're okay. So I did a little you
27:45
know, looking looking, digging into you know, chanties online presence and who
27:49
do I come up with? A guy by the name of more Michael Laxer
27:55
and Michael Laxer is I think he was the head or the cold vice president
28:00
of the Communist Party in Canada or something like that. Very very yah.
28:04
I mean I'm not I'm looking at this. This is a this is a
28:07
shocked face. I'm shocked. I'm shocked that it was commies so like,
28:12
because you know, a lot of people are discovering and they discovered Antifa maybe
28:17
in twenty twenty, but I was wondering about the protests, not just that
28:22
that one with Chanty, but the one with I think it was before that
28:26
or on the same year that Steve Ruley recorded where the I think Warren Farrell
28:32
was giving a talk. It was the same university that I went and met
28:34
with a Warren Farrell at where I saw you, and there were these angry,
28:38
you know, feminist women. I remember one of them was saying,
28:41
you know, fucking scum and if you guys remember the fucking scum girl,
28:45
she had like a nose ring. And I was like wondering, like,
28:49
could these be Antifa before we knew it was Antifa? Like I think it
28:56
was. I just think it didn't have a name at the time, or
29:00
it wasn't proudly presented. I mean, I mean, do you think that
29:03
could be the case. Well, Auntie Buzz, Marx is communist, so
29:07
yeah, it's the same umbrella. Yeah, yeah, I mean it is,
29:11
it is. And then I think, you know, I think that
29:18
possibly it was already set up in Europe because you think that would be a
29:21
little you know, ahead of us, and it just kind of spread like
29:23
the black Block. Yeah, yeah, definitely, Well, and I think
29:27
it was. It's probably a little bit worse in Canada than here, although
29:30
it's it's getting pretty bad in the States too. I guess I just drove
29:34
away all of our commy supporters, of which there are none, so all
29:41
zero of them. But I was lost. Now they're gone. Yeah,
29:49
so let me yeah, go ahead, go ahead. She's tied in there.
29:56
And they seem to be the ones who were organ nizing all the protests
30:00
at including that first original Warren Farrell one and that one that that there was
30:07
a young man and that's why I was at the Warren Farrell one on purpose.
30:11
There there was a young man at the first Warren Farrell talk and he
30:15
says, I just want to find out why two friends of mine killed himself
30:18
from like oh I remember that guy. Yeah, And he couldn't get in
30:23
and they you know, everything was canceled. That just made my blood boil.
30:29
I got that's personal because I got kid in the ground from suicide.
30:33
And yeah, I you know, you see that young man struggling with that,
30:37
and I just thought, how could you? That was the most rudest
30:41
thing. And then you know, thank mercifully, chanty came up and one
30:45
up them said, hold my beer. H did did you ever find that
30:51
guy? Because that's another person that I've been trying to find or look looking.
30:55
I don't even know his name or anything. No. I I kind
30:59
of looked for him when you were up here up you know, in Toronto,
31:03
and I, you know, I just wanted to see if I could
31:04
pick him out of the crowd. I didn't really see him. I uh.
31:08
I hope that he's doing well. I hope that he has kind of
31:14
walked I hope he walked away. Yeah. This is a hard It's it's
31:19
a hard it's it's it's a hard road to hope. It is nasty being
31:23
in this gig, you know, like I've had the worst kind of name
31:29
tossed at me, allegations left, right and center, just like craziness,
31:37
like wait a minute. Year, have you had more than like say,
31:41
threats or allegations made, like have you ever been uh just put you in
31:44
a position where you were like being I guess you know, arrested or jailed
31:48
even no, because I've had I had I had somebody try and set me
31:56
up, but thankfully I had video, you know, kind of kind of
32:02
covering my ass. But I have had, you know, a couple folks
32:07
try and set me up and I just kind of go. You obviously judge
32:10
a book by it's covered because you're looking at me thinking, I am you
32:15
know otis from what do you called? House with a thousand corpses there?
32:19
But not No, you're more like Mr Gandolf gets no pass. You just
32:29
need a pipe. I mean you have a you vape so you could just
32:32
do that instead. Yeh, yeah, I got my staff here, do
32:37
you on charger? He's my charger. Yeah, that's right, that's your
32:42
shadow facts. So it's great. So you're U. Let me ask you
32:51
this. You've been doing this a while. Here's a question that I've I've
32:53
started asking people that I have that I know. I've been doing this for
32:57
a while. Have you looked back on since you started doing this and thought
33:02
to yourself, how much have I changed? Like, are there is there
33:07
anything about like what you you know, your beliefs, or your your worldview,
33:13
or your maybe your overall attitude, whether you're more positive or more negative
33:16
or whatever, and that has changed in the last ten years. Hmm.
33:22
It's a tough question, I know, but I think it's a good one.
33:27
It's you know, it's it's it's it's it's oscillation. It oscillates.
33:35
There's days where I get off when I think, screw it all, I'm
33:37
just gonna pack it in and you know, concentrate on me. And then
33:40
there's days where I just look at the misery and carnage that's around and and
33:45
I'm like I can't, like I just can't turn a blind eye, you
33:49
know, I see it. So what am I? What am I gonna
33:51
do about it? And and then there's you know, recent experiences that you
33:58
know, just drive my heels in further. And I said high bars for
34:01
myself too. I was I was going to try and do a thousand mile
34:06
walk this year. But it's hard to juggle between you know, putting funds
34:09
into the cart and then you know, trying to accumulate funds, and it's
34:14
it's a never it's it's it's a never ending battle. So I'm not going
34:17
to make a thousand miles, but I am going to be making a trip
34:21
shortly. Yes, Charger, I know, another dog, I get it.
34:24
Just relax, You're fine, but I know you're fine. So yeah,
34:30
I'm it awesome. It's have I changed, got a little older,
34:35
a little more determined. I'd say positive, but not it's you know,
34:43
a six out of ten. Yeah on the PODi, I am, I
34:47
am saying changed, and you know, I'm I'm I'm glad to see it.
34:52
I see that in the I've seen on the Hamilton police website. Now
34:57
they're offering helped for abused, which is like, oh yeah, hey,
35:01
wait a goal. That's huge, yea, only about fifty years behind the
35:06
rest of us. And then you know there's there's the the uh, there's
35:15
the the hits too, because recently Hamilton just declared all femicide some something femicide
35:22
or you know, national emergency or citywide emergency and femicide. And I'm like,
35:28
the word you know, no, you're the word you're looking for is
35:31
honor killings because that's mostly what's going on. It's not you know, it's
35:37
not just you know, guys randomly going out, it's you know, yeah,
35:42
it just doesn't happen. What what reality doesn't line up with what you're
35:45
claiming. But they get they they got the governments here m m more quite
35:53
a bit here in Hamilton. The new mayor of Hamilton is Andrea Horvath and
36:00
she used to run beyond chair the provincial NDP. What US locals should call
36:06
the NDP is the No Dad's Party. Yeah, of course, yeah,
36:08
that's that's right. And the far left. Oh yeah, Democrats are the
36:14
same. They basically turned single mothers into a voting block. That's what they
36:19
do. That's what they do here in the States. Yeah, that's why
36:22
they keep winning because there's a lot of single moms, so and they always
36:25
vote for the Gibbs, you know, and the Dam's always promised them men's
36:30
money essentially, So that's why they keep winning. But I do think that
36:37
I don't know if this is what you've seen this, but I'm on the
36:40
internet a lot because it's my job, and one of the things I've noticed
36:44
that's kind of heartening is the conversation around men's issues is getting out of our
36:50
little corner of the web into like other sort of political commentary. In particular,
36:55
the word missentry I'm seeing it in place is that I've never seen it
37:00
before. Now it still comes up as a misspelled word if you put it
37:04
into like a word document or something or online, but people like on YouTube
37:09
or websites or whatever are using the word. Even the people who hate us
37:14
feel like they have to use the word. And I think that's a that's
37:17
a big step forward. Am I wrong about that? Just the fact that
37:22
people are recognizing it. Yeah, it was. I remember when there was
37:25
a you know when when uh Paul professor Paul Nathanson and Catherine Young there,
37:32
professors there, they were just starting to you know, kind of introduce the
37:37
word in to you know, kind of the north North American vernacular. And
37:42
there's quite a blowback about that, and you know, of course they came
37:45
out, you know, there's no such thing, by the way, kill
37:47
all men. Yeah, yeah, I have a couple of male fears with
37:53
that, you know, that that anti missing, that that non miss andry
37:58
right, yeah, yeah, yeah, that is a good thing. And
38:02
you know, like even CNN is pop and articles you know, what's wrong
38:07
with today's men sort of deal and stuff like that. And so, you
38:12
know, the fact that the mainstream media is kind of opening the door for
38:15
us is a good thing. Unfortunately, the door that they're opening is the
38:20
folks like Michael Flood and other you know idiots, Michael Kill Michael Flood.
38:24
Absolutely, well, that's that's the thing. And I've been saying this,
38:29
and I'm glad that you brought this up because I've been I've been saying that
38:32
when people say, well, you know, there are people talking about men's
38:37
issues now, and I'm like, yeah, But the reason why is because
38:39
they're finding out that they can no longer. Before they used to censor us.
38:44
They used to ban us. They would protest our gatherings, they would
38:47
try to get us removed from social media, they would try to block us,
38:51
et cetera. But now that the conversation is getting out of control,
38:53
they're gonna try and co opt it. So now they're gonna say, oh,
38:58
actually, we feminists do care out men. And when they if we
39:00
let them coopt it, then they're just gonna they're gonna do what you said,
39:05
They're gonna make it. Michael Flood, Michael Kimmel, toxic masculinity,
39:09
all of the way of the feminist sort of ways of interpreting men's issues,
39:14
the APA guidelines, and you know about the APA guidelines right the American side.
39:21
Yeah, So like that's what they're going to try to do. They're
39:23
gonna try and make it their brand of men's issues, and it's really not
39:29
going to help. It's probably gonna make things worse. So we have to,
39:31
like we have to keep fighting against that. Yeah. And and so
39:37
basically, you know, what are you what are they gonna get from Kimmel
39:39
and Flood, Oh you're a defective woman yep, full of toxic masculinity and
39:45
you're a defective woman. It's just like boys in school. That's what they
39:50
get right from teachers. Yeah. Yeah, so we do we dare to
39:55
touch that third rail about school. We can do that absolutely. You know
40:00
what do you mean, I've been talking about teachers for what's going on in
40:04
schools these days, drag Queen's story our well, it's it's it's yeah,
40:09
we can talk about that. That's all because I think it's related, you
40:13
know, like I think there is a well you can look at the work
40:17
that's been done. I can't remember the names of the various sort of like
40:22
academic feminists that have written on queer theory. But that goes back to like
40:25
the sixties, the seventies. You know. Janus Fiamingo put out a tweet
40:31
I don't have it in front of me where she was talking about a book
40:35
that you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, it was about gender and
40:38
it was written in the seventies, and it is exactly what this is.
40:43
And this is like why I say, you know, like there is a
40:45
there is a war within feminism right between the second wave feminists that were like
40:53
this you know, women worsting kind of feminists, and then there's like the
40:58
the more the intersectional feminists, which are you know they involved, like they
41:02
sort of bring in the trans queer theory stuff, the queer ideology stuff,
41:08
and sometimes people ask that, you know, I take a side in that,
41:14
and I and I hate them both equally, Like I mean, I
41:17
think the one is just anti male, the other one doesn't think that masculinity
41:22
is an identity that exists. So I don't think either of them are could
41:27
and I think that they're that, and I think that like actually supporting either
41:30
side of that is going to lead to more male suicide. I mean that's
41:36
just to me, that's just what it is. And I think it's supporting
41:38
a very radical notion of feminism. And plus I like living in reality where
41:44
I know that gender is real. You know, I mean call me,
41:47
I guess what you saying. I can't identify as a terrible Lizard king.
41:53
I mean I wish I could terrible yea. And I mean this stuff only
42:00
escalates too. Like there was another tweet that I saw from and I bet
42:07
this is real, but you never know. It's Twitter. This is the
42:12
Pride flag. Okay, so someone from a tweet handle called zooe dot pub
42:20
says the struggles zoo sexual space zoo Sexual's face are the same face by members
42:27
of the LGBT before them. Direct comparisons between the two are not only apt
42:30
but necessary. Today we're taking a look at the similarities between the two and
42:35
it shows two flags. There's like the Pride flag and I guess the zoo
42:39
zoo Twitter sexual flag. And I mean, I don't think it's parody.
42:47
I don't think it's parody. I think it's basically like, if you start
42:51
making allowances for everything, then there's no there's no bottom. The book that
42:57
Janice was talking about is called Gender Trouble Judith Butler. So here's that's it.
43:01
Yeah, that's it right there, so you guys could see it.
43:04
I hope it's not in reverse on your side, but but yeah, so
43:09
and against Essentially, I think this is important because it's not avoidable. Janna
43:15
says. Anyone who thinks trans was not promoted within feminism as a crucial part
43:21
of women's lib has to read Judas Butler's writings. She called for bodies to
43:24
become the site of a dissonant and de naturalized performance that reveals the performative status
43:31
of the natural itself. So that basically means like that, you know,
43:36
we have to show people that gender is not real and people should be able
43:39
to dress however they like. Now. I never had a problem with drag
43:44
queens before. I always thought of it as something fun, you know,
43:46
like going to watch clowns in the circus. But it's become political. And
43:52
this is why I say, you know, everything is political. There's nothing
43:55
you can do about it. I know you don't want to say that,
43:58
but it's just what it is. And I think we're gonna so up here
44:04
on September twenty second, apparently there is a protest on in all the major
44:09
you know, provincial capitals, and I believe in Ottawa too, and it's
44:13
leave our kids alone. Yeah, and it's that this guy that sounds like
44:17
fascism to me. I believe that's Billboard Chris and uh, I believe it's
44:24
a Muslim woman that has what do you call it? Organized it right?
44:30
And this is kind of weird, Like this is like, I can't believe
44:34
Trudeau didn't see this one coming. You know this, and you're gonna like
44:39
whoa man, like, like, why don't you just I'll tell you,
44:44
you know, just standing in a in a in a pool, a kiddie
44:47
pool full of gasoline flick matches there, I'm sure you'll get the same result.
44:52
Because man, you're just torching your political career here. So yeah,
44:59
when you when when when tolerance is your is what you claim to be the
45:04
highest virtue, it is it is unattainable because some things just don't play nice
45:10
together. And I think the LGBT and Islam are an example of that.
45:16
So that's what you're gonna get. Listen, They've got great balcony views.
45:21
I hear, yeah, right, it's like a ride. But so anyways,
45:29
let me so right now, they got the drag Queen Story Hour and
45:34
it's and and and like my mind, no, get the fuck out of
45:38
the elementary schools, all right, maybe you know, graduation or something at
45:43
high school where they're like eighteen, but no, the hell away from the
45:49
kids, all right. And my position, you know, so I'm gonna
45:52
say, hit eighteen, go with God, all the power to you,
45:54
whatever floats your boat, as long as it's consensual, don't care, all
45:59
right, none of my business. That's one thing that the Trudeau senior got
46:04
right. The government has no business in the bedroom, right, So that's
46:09
one thing that you know, at least he got that right. But anyway,
46:13
so they're bringing him into the schools and at like elementary ages, and
46:19
I find this to be just wrong. And I'm gonna point to how does
46:23
a kid learn to talk? What do they do? They mimic, They
46:28
mimic their parents, They watch the lips and then they you know, they
46:30
do the same acts. So what on God's green earth does these do?
46:35
These kids need to know how to shimmy shake whatever, you know, because
46:39
the one, the one book is the hips on the on the training go
46:44
swish, swish whish or something like that. Yeah, I know it.
46:46
Yeah yeah, so no, just get the hell out. And as a
46:51
matter of fact, okay, fine, if that's the way that you're going
46:52
to be inclusion, all right, let's go full inclusion. I say,
46:57
we get some we get some hot looking day sure from you know, the
47:00
peeler bar there, and we introduced them to the gay young man, say
47:05
diversity and inclusion, fully diverse, fully inclusive, and we get some swinging
47:09
dinglings for the you know, the young lesbian girls. Is that the diversity
47:14
and inclusion? Yeah, yep. It's a rather weird political position for me
47:21
to take. As a matter of fact, I hope people are catching my
47:23
hyperbolic satire. Yeah, I think we're all on the same page. But
47:30
yeah, if you guys are curious, read up on some Judith Butler and
47:32
some Paolo Fieri. I think he was one of the well commies. I'm
47:38
just gonna call them commies. I'm gonna keep it simple. That was involved
47:43
with pushing the queer, this queer stuff on children, queering the children.
47:49
So that's why this is happening. So what about and what about Simone Deboubier,
47:54
Yeah yeah, and the second Saxon who cult wasn't when did she with
48:01
yeah for co too? And didn't she say that all children should be raised
48:07
by the state sort of deal or oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean
48:09
like Hillary Clinton said that, so you know, Black Lives Matter says that,
48:15
right, it's it was on their charter. I mean they got I
48:16
think they took it down, but but yeah, they said that, you
48:21
know, children should be raised by villages, uh that are composed of was
48:25
it mothers? Uh? And and basically just women, grandmother's aunts, you
48:31
know, no no men, no fathers, no, no dad's allowed.
48:36
So oh yeah that'll work out. Well yeah that yeah, exactly, So
48:42
go ahead. I can't wait to see those women plumbers the yeah plumber barbies
48:49
everywhere. Uh funny, she don't look like you don't look like Barbie.
48:58
We must dash. So what's what are your what do you got going on
49:05
right now? Like you have plans you mentioned that you were gonna be maybe
49:09
going on to the walk. I'm curious about what your what your next sort
49:13
of goals are? What plans you have for the rest of this year and
49:16
going in next year? All right? All right, yes, yes,
49:20
relaxed. Do you want to walk? Is that what you want to do?
49:22
You want to walk? And I'm gonna take you guys on a walk.
49:25
That's fine. We we got about like ten minutes left, so yeah,
49:29
you can start walking if you want. Yeah, he wants to go.
49:32
He wants Oh no, he wants to say hi Matt to Magic and
49:35
Dave. That's why he's whining. That's magic. Oh hey, yeah,
49:44
all right, that's why whining. All right. Yeah, he wanted to
49:49
say hi to the neighbors there. Yeah. Yeah, it's a popular place
49:52
for for for us to sit around and uh, you know, walk our
49:55
dogs. We love you know, we love our dogs around here. It's
49:58
awesome. I can't complain it at all. So my plans, I'm gearing
50:02
up her. I think, jeez, it's gonna be getting on eight or
50:07
ninth walk. It's just gonna be a short one to Toronto. I am
50:13
to be honest with you, I'm I'm slightly concerned about this year's walk,
50:16
and I've never been really concerned about them before. People are desperate. Yeah,
50:22
what do you mean by what do you mean by desperate? Whall?
50:27
They're living in tents and they're hungry and you know, oh, and so
50:30
there's a there's some homeless a homeless problem or is it is it migrants?
50:34
Oh yeah, yeah, there's yeah, there's like like okay, so we've
50:37
got I think I looked at the last numbers. I think they said nineteen
50:40
hundred people homeless in Hamilton's city alone. In Toronto. It's crazy. It's
50:45
even worse like Alan Park, Alan Gardens is full of tents. All of
50:52
them are full of tents. Like it's just absolutely insane. Yeah, Chicago
50:59
is too, That's what you know. I lived in Chicago from from my
51:02
whole life. I was born there. I lived like two blocks from the
51:06
hospital I was delivered in. And in twenty twenty, you know, well
51:12
actually I saw it starting like in twenty seventeen, there was more and more
51:16
homeless, and there were tents and you know, people living in the parks
51:21
and like in tents out of their cars and so on, and they all
51:24
had mental health issues and drug addiction. And then like some people broke into
51:30
the place where my wife works, my wife, Lindsay, who's from Calgary,
51:36
and you know that's not something that I mean, you know, there's
51:37
parts of Calory that they are kind of sketchy, but it wasn't like it
51:40
is in Chicago. And I was like, we gotta get out of here.
51:44
So, you know, we did some research. Paul Elam actually,
51:47
who lives right here in the same city as me, he said, you
51:51
should come to Roanoke, Virginia, and I said, all right, And
51:53
we looked into it and I was like, wow, you know, cause
51:55
living's low, crime is low, like it's a quiet, you know,
52:00
smaller city, but like it was nice. And so we came here.
52:02
I had to get on there, and from what I heard, it got
52:06
so bad in Chicago there's like tensent O'Hare airport. There's all kinds of homeless
52:10
people. People are like, you know, urinating and defecating, and they're
52:15
doing drugs and they're fighting with each other. It's crazy. So yeah,
52:20
I mean, this is not obviously not unique to Canada, but it's also
52:23
a big problem in America, and not just on the West Coast, which
52:27
is where it's probably the worst, but it's bad in Boston, Baltimore,
52:30
New York. It's it's bad. Yeah, So I'm a little concerned about
52:35
that. But then I'm you know again, I think about, wow,
52:37
what if that stick or doesn't get seen, you know what I mean,
52:42
it just needs to be like I call I call them life saving lottery tickets
52:45
because they've got the National Suicide Hotline number on right, So all it's got
52:50
to douce, just catch the right you know, that that person who's who's
52:52
looking for somebody to talk to at the right time, and then there,
52:55
you know, that's it they get into. Maybe it's not the best help,
53:00
but maybe it stops them from being a becoming a statistic and then maybe
53:04
they can get better help. Yeah, and also maybe in those areas that
53:07
those people are looking for that, you know. Yeah, do you ever,
53:10
like, do you ever end up talking to people on the street while
53:13
you're putting up stakers about this? I break bread with the homeless all the
53:16
time, I really do. I don't. I'm not like, I'm not.
53:22
I don't find any value and treat them any really any different. I
53:29
don't find any value in that at all. I find that, you know
53:31
what, the rest of the society's already looking down on them. Why should
53:36
I look down on them? It doesn't help their matters at all. If
53:38
I've got spare socks, I give them socks if I've got spare food,
53:43
I give them food. I've always got water for them, you know,
53:46
it doesn't you know, just things like that, and and those things come
53:50
from you know, people who you know see me on the street, donate.
53:53
I've talked to so many, you know, my my phrases, uh,
53:59
seventy five percent of the time, it's mothers and daughters left left variants,
54:02
sons and fathers, the suicide, you know, and these are the
54:06
hard real things. So it's mostly you know, mothers and daughters and sisters
54:09
and whatnot that I end up interacting with on the street. I find,
54:17
I find no no goodness in turning a blind eye to any person in trouble
54:24
when I go into Hamilton's, Like, I'm surprised actually the last few times
54:28
I went into Hamilton I didn't have to shake somebody away, you know,
54:32
if there was still a pulse. And the last person I shook to see
54:36
if they were awake, it was a woman. So you know, like
54:38
it doesn't matter, Like this is just like a god awful thing that has
54:42
just taken down, are you Like you wouldn't believe at least the way I
54:45
see it. So I'm a little concerned about that. I'm going to be
54:49
pushing the substances aren't solutions thing because I feel that that really really needs to
54:55
be addressed. End of mine. Just lost her son this past year to
55:05
an overdose, and uh, you know I went to school with her,
55:07
and you know, you know it's starting to hit you know, my my
55:10
friends kids now and I and I worry about this. It really worries me.
55:17
I am do you know what? Do you know what he odd on
55:21
out of curiosity? It was probably fentyl. Yeah, I was gonna say,
55:27
because fentyl's getting it's like it's it's getting around. There's this thing that's
55:30
worse and I think people have started doing and the Boston or Zoe or yeah,
55:37
it's just it's it's the zombie thing like yeah, yeah, yeah,
55:43
it's a it's a horse tranquilizer. Yeah, the fentyl based horse tranquilizer sort
55:49
of. But then on top of it, what the uh what do you
55:52
call it? The first responders ambulance drivers are telling me now, is that
55:59
what they're doing is they're mixing the fentnyl with a PAM as a PAM or
56:04
something like that. Yeah, so that the fentnyl or not the fentyl the
56:08
uh, the lox alone doesn't work. So it's basically a death sentence.
56:16
It's a it's a you know, you don't come out of it sort of
56:19
going, it's horrible. I've watched them. I watched them bring back somebody.
56:24
The phrase that they kept on using, the the the overdose team kept
56:30
on using have we got a batter up? Have we got a batter up?
56:32
And the only thing that made sense to me in that phrase was that
56:37
they were, you know, have they got a pulse? And that woman
56:42
that it was another woman that I just happened to witness. They there was
56:45
two syringes, empty knock and a lox alone syringes, but I watched them
56:51
pump into her and then there was three nasal ones that were by her body
56:54
too, So that's like five doses just to get her back to a pulse.
57:00
And it's just it's just chilling, like just just ravaging. Wow.
57:06
And the crime rates up, it's up so high that I had we had
57:09
a pickup truck stolen out of our backyard the other night. Yeah, yeah,
57:16
and I'm missing all kinds of things I lose, you know, people
57:19
steal things from me. And I'm getting fed up with it. I'm really
57:24
really tired of that. Yeah. Yeah, I got to a point where
57:28
I actually put up a security camera on my front door. Oh wow.
57:35
And then one and the one kid kept on screwing with it, but he
57:37
moved on now, So that's good enough for me. Other than that,
57:43
yeah, you know, I'm I'm about to order, uh make an order
57:47
or for a mural or wrap for this year's cart. I've gone from steel
57:52
to aluminum. That old cart that was a heavy, old beast cart,
57:55
Zellaway fully loaded. She was rocking three hundred pounds. I bent U five
58:00
eights electric scooter axle carrying that baby. So yeah, but she gotta you
58:08
know, she did what she was supposed to do. Yeah, you got
58:12
the conversation started, and that was you know, that's the main thing.
58:16
Just get the conversation for me right now at you know, as big,
58:21
you know, as small as I am, just getting conversation and started.
58:24
Yep. That's the main thing. Yeah, same same here. That's my
58:28
number one goal is just get people talking. Don't worry about you know,
58:31
putting your foot in your mouth or not saying something quite right, just like
58:35
put out your what you think and like and just you know, get ready
58:38
for feedback and go from there. I h so we we've reached the hour
58:45
mark. So I'm gonna wrap it up. But I wanted to ask one
58:47
more thing. Is it possible for people to get the stickers that you've been
58:52
putting up if they wanted to put up stickers in their area. I don't
58:57
know how this works, but just top it, do it and tag it.
59:01
So just copy it from where the website, your Twitter, like,
59:06
where do you get it? Twitter feed wherever? If you they can reach
59:08
out to me if they want, you know, the design. It's open
59:13
concept. As a matter of fact, I've got an open concept or I've
59:16
got the number for UK already set up. I should be making one for
59:22
United States. Like yeah, like you don't just take the design, make
59:28
use of it. Yeah, there, and then just put it up there
59:30
and just include the hashtag project JEB. That's it all right. You can
59:35
just you can print it up at a you know, Kinko's or whatever.
59:39
Yeah, wherever you can get it, and then you guys can share some
59:43
stickers in your area. Probably get some made and share them around here in
59:46
Roanoke. You know, it's yeah, you're gonna need to change that number.
59:51
Yeah. Well yeah, I'll get the right number and then do it.
59:54
Sorry, all right, so yeah, let me have a couple of
59:58
last words here. Yeah. Sure, And I encourage folks to become a
1:00:01
JEBI warrior, be a force for good, raise awareness about men's mental health.
1:00:06
Screw you, host a mouse on your prick and trademark thing. All
1:00:13
right. So, if you guys want to follow Dan on Twitter, I've
1:00:17
left linked to his stuff in the description. Use the hashtag let me see
1:00:23
what is it? Jet project jeb hashtag project JEB on Twitter. And let's
1:00:29
talk about men's mental health without feminist interference. So I'm gonna wrap the show
1:00:36
up there. Thank you so much, Dan for taking the time and talking
1:00:40
to us on this on this like with this lovely nature backdrop and your wonderful
1:00:45
dog charger there he is pay charger. Oh look at that. This is
1:00:54
beautiful. Oh yeah, all right, so yeah he's well trained too,
1:01:01
huh, especially if there's a donut involved. Yeah all right. So if
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