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The Kenny Report | 20 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying You Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 1: While the world embraces a nuclear modern nuclear energy, Labour's
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Speaker 1: trade union troglodites continue their expensive and unworkable renewables fantasy.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak with the man who.
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Speaker 1: Exposed the hypocrisy of the climate virtue signators at COP
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Speaker 1: twenty nine in Baku. Kevin Radd puts out a video
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Speaker 1: that's a transparent plea for the Trump.
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Speaker 2: Administration to talk to him.
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Speaker 1: And with free speech under assault on a number of fronts,
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Speaker 1: paul En Hansen will appeal the shocking racial vilification finding
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Speaker 1: against her. All that and plenty more, including the Wednesday
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Speaker 1: wrangle on the changing dynamic in Washington.
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Speaker 2: Let's get into it. You know, the Albeneasy.
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Speaker 1: Labor Government's defeatist, partisan and small minded opposition to nuclear energy,
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Speaker 1: and it's retrieved from international forums aimed at expanding the
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Speaker 1: use of nuclear energy. Well, this reveals two depressing things
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Speaker 1: about this government and the modern Labor Party. Firstly, they're
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Speaker 1: not ambitious for Australia and confident in our know how.
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Speaker 1: They don't think Australia is capable of being a modern
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Speaker 1: nuclear economy. They don't think Australians can deliver what France,
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Speaker 1: Finland or the UK have created in nuclear energy, or
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Speaker 1: what Japan, the UAE, the US or Canada have produced.
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Speaker 2: It's sad, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: But that's all you can take out from the answer
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Speaker 1: we got from the Acting Prime Minister today when he
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Speaker 1: was asked why Australia was shying away from this energy source.
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Speaker 3: It simply fails to ignore the inconvenient truth for those
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Speaker 3: opposite that we don't have a civil nuclear industry in
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Speaker 3: Australia today and to establish one from scratch costs money
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Speaker 3: and takes time.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not that simple. Really, we're not up
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Speaker 2: to it.
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Speaker 1: Dubai went from nothing to a massive nuclear power plant
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Speaker 1: in a decade, but we're not clever enough apparently in Australia. Besides,
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Speaker 1: we already have nuclear technology. We have a nuclear technology
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Speaker 1: organization here that runs a reactor at Lucas Heights, has
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Speaker 1: done for more than seventy years in a world class
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Speaker 1: medical and research facility. We also have a nuclear regulator
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Speaker 1: in place to oversee all this, and we're one of
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Speaker 1: the world's leading exporters of uranium and we intend to
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Speaker 1: build and run nuclear powered submarines, but Labour says dense, reliable,
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Speaker 1: emissions free nuclear energy is beyond us.
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Speaker 2: It's pretty sad.
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Speaker 1: The second depressing realization is that labor doesn't.
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Speaker 2: Really care about getting the world to net zero.
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Speaker 1: Now, that might be very refreshing if they were honest
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Speaker 1: about it, but given they're upending our economy and imposing
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Speaker 1: financial hardship on so many Australians in pursuit of net zero,
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Speaker 1: it's pretty underwhelming to see how little they really care
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Speaker 1: about the global emissions reductions task. Think back to that
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Speaker 1: nuclear agreement between the UK and the US I referred
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Speaker 1: to yesterday, the one that Australia was expected to join
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Speaker 1: but which we've now ruled out. Well, it turns out
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Speaker 1: to be even worse than that, because this agreement, this
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Speaker 1: grouping of countries pursuing advanced nuclear technologies, was done under
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Speaker 1: the auspices of a nuclear group that Australia is already
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Speaker 1: in the generation for International Forum actually includes Australia. That's
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Speaker 1: our flag. They're on the cover, and they've booted Russia
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Speaker 1: out so other countries can cooperate more freely. Its annual
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Speaker 1: report recognizes that while Australian policy continues to prohibit the
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Speaker 1: civilian use of nuclear energy. Australia continues to recognize that
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Speaker 1: nuclear energy is a mature technology used to deliver reliable
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Speaker 1: electricity in many countries with zero greenhouse gas emissions at
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Speaker 1: the point of generation. Yeah, but Australia is now effectively
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Speaker 1: pulling out of that organization. So while thirty one of
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Speaker 1: the world's largest economies are pledging to triple the amount
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Speaker 1: of nuclear energy in the world by twenty fifty, and
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Speaker 1: this group of which Australia as a member wants to
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Speaker 1: continue research for even better ways of harnessing nuclear energy,
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Speaker 1: Chris Bowen and Anthony Albani are bowing out. They're making
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Speaker 1: sure that nuclear energy remains banned in this country unless
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Speaker 1: we put it in a submarine and park it at
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Speaker 1: one of our wharves. The only conclusion we can draw
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Speaker 1: from this is that Bowen and Albanesi don't really care
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Speaker 1: about net zero and climate change because no credible figure
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Speaker 1: believes it can be done without nuclear and labor are
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Speaker 1: withdrawing now from efforts to spread nuclear around the world.
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Speaker 1: Albanezi and Bowen trade union troglodytes are turning their backs
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Speaker 1: on nuclear energy. Global nuclear research and diplomatic nuclear cooperation
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Speaker 1: and nuclear energy advocates like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos
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Speaker 1: and Joe Biden and Keir Starmer and Emmanuel mccron and
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Speaker 1: Georgia Maloney and Justin Trudeau. You could list just about
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Speaker 1: any world or corporate leader. They apparently are not the
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Speaker 1: smartest people.
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Speaker 2: In the world.
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Speaker 1: They have all got it wrong because Albo and Bowen
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Speaker 1: are smarter.
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Speaker 2: They know best.
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Speaker 1: They reckon nuclear doesn't work, it costs too much, or
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Speaker 1: it takes too long or something.
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Speaker 2: What an embarrassment.
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Speaker 1: This is a government determined to take our country backwards.
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Speaker 2: Look just on this nonsense.
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Speaker 1: The COP twenty nine meeting in Baku, Azerbaijan is still
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Speaker 1: going and Chris Bowen is there.
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Speaker 2: He's actually signed up to work with the UK on renewables.
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Speaker 4: I'm here with my mate Ed Miliban and we've just
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Speaker 4: signed an agreement of Australia and Britain and I'm going
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Speaker 4: to work even more close together on renewable energy A
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Speaker 4: hydrogen and our clean energy futures in Britain. We so
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Speaker 4: admire what OSPREDA is doing on renewables, the drive this
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Speaker 4: government has shown.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet they do.
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Speaker 1: I think the UK knows that renewables leave you short.
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Speaker 1: That's why they're expanding nuclear. How they must laugh at
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Speaker 1: the earnest little renewable zealot from down under. The thing
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Speaker 1: with these climate conferences is that they attract all kinds
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Speaker 1: of protesters who seek the platform.
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Speaker 5: I'm sick.
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Speaker 2: I'm sick of clean, greenwashed hinna side. Look, they all
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Speaker 2: deserve each other. Really.
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Speaker 1: The fear mongering is pretty intense too. Even UNISEF turned
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Speaker 1: up to crank up the fear for children.
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Speaker 6: No less, children face unique challenges when it comes to
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Speaker 6: climate They're more susceptible to things like heat and air pollution.
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Speaker 6: Their bodies can't process it as easily as older people,
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Speaker 6: and second, children depend on government services, and government services
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Speaker 6: are also very vulnerable to these issues. You know, if
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Speaker 6: you have flooding or cyclones like I saw when I
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Speaker 6: was in the Pacific, children can't go to school or
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Speaker 6: they can't access healthcare. That's a huge problem for young people.
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Speaker 2: It's pretty objectionable stuff, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Deliberately heightening the fears of children and using them as
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Speaker 1: human shields in the political fight over climate responses.
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Speaker 2: And it happens too.
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Speaker 1: Of course, Greens Senator Marine Ferruki has read out a
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Speaker 1: frightened speech from a child in Parliament.
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Speaker 7: It's a privilege to read out a speech today as
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Speaker 7: part of the Raise our Voice in Parliament campaign. Sophie
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Speaker 7: from New South Wales says this massive floods, horrifying bushfires,
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Speaker 7: smoke filled summers and an increase in poverty. This is
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Speaker 7: what our future will look like if we don't commit
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Speaker 7: to a ban on fossil fuels. I want the generations
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Speaker 7: to come to still be able to see animals like kualas,
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Speaker 7: bilbies and calls in their natural habitat before they're burnt
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Speaker 7: or flooded away.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that terrible reveling in the unwarranted fears of a child.
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Speaker 1: The Greens and others spread exaggerated claims, They make wild predictions.
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Speaker 1: They point to natural disasters that are no worse and
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Speaker 1: no more frequent than we've always had, and they use
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Speaker 1: them to scare kids, who then echo this hysteria back
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Speaker 1: to them in Parliament.
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Speaker 2: I mean Australian wildlife to be.
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Speaker 1: Doubt by fires and floods, the very factors that have
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Speaker 1: shaped our environment for millennia, the very factors that our
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Speaker 1: plants and animals have adapted to so much so that
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Speaker 1: they now rely on fire and flood. Yet our politicians
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Speaker 1: stoke fears that this will force extinction. It's disgraceful stuff
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Speaker 1: and it's all done for politics and ideology.
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Speaker 2: Imagine, just imagine for a moment.
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Speaker 1: If our public debate just stuck to the facts.
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Speaker 2: Now, the bad news today is that he's back.
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Speaker 1: He's been lying low for a while, but former Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister and now Australia's ambassador to the United States, Kevin
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Speaker 1: Radd has popped up in a video message, the first
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Speaker 1: time we've heard from him since the US election. First,
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Speaker 1: a warning many viewers will find this distressing.
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Speaker 2: This he's just complicates it so much. You know, how
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Speaker 2: can anyone do this?
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Speaker 8: Man?
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Speaker 3: This is just impossible.
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Speaker 2: Oh sorry, I've played the wrong video message.
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Speaker 1: Thankfully, Kevin Rudd has now realized it's better to try
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Speaker 1: and do these things in English.
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Speaker 9: Here at the embassy, we've been working hard through the
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Speaker 9: course of the last year to ensure that we were
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Speaker 9: well prepared for this moment. And the bottom line is
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Speaker 9: we're ready.
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Speaker 1: Well, of course they're ready. They're paid to be ready.
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Speaker 1: That's their job. Rudd would be desperate to meet with
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Speaker 1: anyone from the Trump team. Of course, of course he's
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Speaker 1: ready to talk to them, to bow and scrape and
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Speaker 1: then try and move on.
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Speaker 2: That much is obvious.
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Speaker 1: The question is whether the President elect Donald Trump is ready.
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Speaker 1: Is Trump or anyone on his team ready to meet Rudd?
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Speaker 1: You know, the bloke who called Trump a village and
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Speaker 1: a threat to democracy and lots more. In his video
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Speaker 1: message sent back to a US Study Center conference here
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Speaker 1: in Australia, Rudd did what he sometimes does best.
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Speaker 2: He used a lot of words to.
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Speaker 1: Say nothing much at all, But the most important pitch
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Speaker 1: came at the end, where he effectively pleaded with the
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Speaker 1: incoming administration to work with him.
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Speaker 9: We live in a world of many challenges, and we
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Speaker 9: are clear that the region we want, the interests we have,
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Speaker 9: and the values we share require and call for our
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Speaker 9: two nations to work together. And that is what we'll
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Speaker 9: continue to do with President Trump and his incoming administration.
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Speaker 9: We here at the Embassy in Washington look forward to
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Speaker 9: contributing to that in the future.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the Americans do value our alliance.
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Speaker 2: They will want to work with us.
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Speaker 1: So Rudd should hold out some good hope that he
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Speaker 1: get some access. But who can be certain the most
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Speaker 1: predictable thing about Donald Trump is his lack of predictability,
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Speaker 1: and Anthony Albanese's dumb choice for the Washington job certainly
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Speaker 1: hasn't made it any easier for the new White House.
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Speaker 2: Now. As you know, free speech is under assault in
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Speaker 2: this country.
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Speaker 1: There's the so called Misinformation Bill, which we hope will
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Speaker 1: be rejected by the Senate. But I also want to
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Speaker 1: go back to a federal court judgment late last month
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Speaker 1: that found Pauline Hansen had racially vilified the Green Senator
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Speaker 1: Marine Ferruki. It's a shocking judgment and can only have
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Speaker 1: a chilling effect on free speech. And if you saw
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Speaker 1: Andrew Bolt a couple of weeks ago, you would have
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Speaker 1: seen what it's done to Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 10: I could still that the country's changed so much.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there'll be some people cheering for Pauline Hansen's tears,
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Speaker 1: of course, but watch out because they'll come for you next.
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Speaker 1: It all stems from an exchange on.
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Speaker 2: Twitter after the Queen died.
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Speaker 1: Faruki tweeted that she couldn't mourn the leader of a
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Speaker 1: racist empire built on the stolen lives, land, and wealth
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Speaker 1: of colonized people. Hansen's replies said that was disgusting and
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Speaker 1: attacked Faruki for coming here as an immigrant, taking every advantage,
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Speaker 1: including buying houses and taking citizenship and entering parliament. And
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Speaker 1: she said, pee off back to Pakistan. Tough words, not
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Speaker 1: a sentiment that I'd echo, but racial vilification?
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Speaker 2: How can that be?
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Speaker 1: Wasn't Faruki throwing barbs about racism at the Royals. The
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Speaker 1: judgment took exception to three elements of Hanson's tweet. First,
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Speaker 1: it says the tweet characterized Farruki as an immigrant and
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Speaker 1: class citizen who should be grateful and keep quiet. Now,
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Speaker 1: to be honest, I think this is the one that's
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Speaker 1: most understandable. I mean, just because you're an immigrant doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean you have to think that our country and history
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Speaker 1: and systems are all perfect. But the second point from
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Speaker 1: the court was that the p off line was a
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Speaker 1: variant of go back to where you come from, which
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Speaker 1: it describes as a racist trope.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, it's rude, but it's hardly racist. And third, the
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Speaker 2: court said that because the tweet.
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Speaker 1: Was targeted at someone of color, an immigrant from Pakistan
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Speaker 1: and a Muslim and tells her to return to Pakistan,
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Speaker 1: a Muslim country. Well then it was islamophobic. Now this
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Speaker 1: is illogical, this is frightening. What you can tell a
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Speaker 1: pom to go back to where they've come from and
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Speaker 1: that might be okay, but say it to someone from
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Speaker 1: a Muslim country and it's not. It's racial vilification. Then Look,
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Speaker 1: I don't like Hansen's words. I wouldn't say the same thing,
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Speaker 1: but they didn't amount to racial vilification and they shouldn't
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Speaker 1: be a breach of the law. This ruling and this law,
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Speaker 1: the same one that was used against Andrew Bolt some
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Speaker 1: years ago, are a real worry. Hanson's going to appeal
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Speaker 1: the decision and good on her. It's high time the
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Speaker 1: High Court tested this law. Pauline Hanson joins me now
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Speaker 1: from Canberra. Thanks for joining me, Pauline. Haven't caught up
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Speaker 1: with you for a while, and since that judgment. It
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Speaker 1: is good news that you're going to appeal it. What
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Speaker 1: sort of action is happening on that front? How long
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Speaker 1: is it going to take? Has there been any movement?
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Speaker 10: Well, we've had We've first got appeal to the Peals
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Speaker 10: Court for it and be the Federal Appeal Court. So
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Speaker 10: we'll go for the five judges on the Peals Court,
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Speaker 10: so it's not the High Court, it's being the Peals
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Speaker 10: Court first and foremost. That won't happen till later half
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Speaker 10: of next year, possibly around August next year, so I've
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Speaker 10: got to get my team of together. The support that
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Speaker 10: I've received from this strain people has been overwhelming. It's
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Speaker 10: been astounding. The phones in my office never stopped bringing,
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Speaker 10: either in my Parliamentary office or whether it was in
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Speaker 10: Queensland Head Office. The letters and wishes of support and prayers,
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Speaker 10: it's been so welcomed. I was devastated after in an
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Speaker 10: interview with Andrew Bolt. I basically shut myself away for
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Speaker 10: a couple of days. I just had to rebuild my
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Speaker 10: strength and realized, you know, okay, pick yourself up, dush
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Speaker 10: it out itself down. I can't go anywhere. I have
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Speaker 10: to fight this. It's just not about pulling hands anymore, Chris.
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Speaker 10: It's about people's freedom of speech in this nation, that
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Speaker 10: we have a right to have an opinion, and every
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Speaker 10: which way they're trying to shut it down. So it
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Speaker 10: goes beyond that. If I can win this appeal, if
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Speaker 10: I can get it thrown out, eighteen seed will be
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Speaker 10: thrown out then and I have to move on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems an extraordinary, extraordinary decision because all you
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Speaker 1: said was as I said, it's rude.
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Speaker 2: Just saying get if you don't like it, go back
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Speaker 2: somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: Now that can be different according to your skin color
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Speaker 1: or the country you come from, confounds me.
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Speaker 2: And also Marine Ferruki is not.
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Speaker 1: Pigged backward and coming forward attacking the Royals or attacking
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Speaker 1: Australians and blaming Australia for even creating floods in our
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Speaker 1: own former home of Pakistan, Yet yours is singled out
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Speaker 1: as racial vilification. It is confounding. As I say, I'm
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Speaker 1: glad you're going to appeal it, as you say, to
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Speaker 1: a full bench of the Federal Court, then possibly even
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Speaker 1: to the High Court for clarification.
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Speaker 2: We shall see. But these laws are too owners.
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Speaker 10: Well let me just point out also that under the
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Speaker 10: Aiding Sea, religion doesn't come into it, So her being
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Speaker 10: a Muslim has got absolutely nothing to do with it.
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Speaker 10: So he said, because she came from Pakistan, which is
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Speaker 10: the Muslim Muslim country, I was basically having to go
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Speaker 10: at her. Chris, I don't care about a person's color
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Speaker 10: of their skin or what religion she was had nothing
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Speaker 10: to do with it, and actually my twit didn't go
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Speaker 10: out to her till about four and a half hours
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Speaker 10: after you sent hers out, So the vilification actually she
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Speaker 10: was in and with a lot of other text messages
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Speaker 10: from many other Australians who are also you know, they
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Speaker 10: are insulted by her tweet, not me exactly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we will follow that with interest, even that's going
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Speaker 1: to take many, many months. As you say, I just
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Speaker 1: want to get back to current events before the Parliament,
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Speaker 1: especially the immigration debate. A lot of talk from Labor
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Speaker 1: and promising to reduce immigration.
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Speaker 2: They know it's out of control. They've put up this cap.
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Speaker 1: On international students coming into the country, but the Opposition
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Speaker 1: is going to vote against it. Do you think the
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Speaker 1: opposition is doing the right thing here or they should
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Speaker 1: back Labor to at least introduce this cap as a
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Speaker 1: starting point.
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Speaker 10: They should back it just as a starting point by
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Speaker 10: all means, but the government doesn't want to. They said
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Speaker 10: it doesn't go far enough. It's a starting point, and
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Speaker 10: I will be supporting the Labor Party the government on
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Speaker 10: their fifty three thousand cap. That needs to happen. You
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Speaker 10: know they're not in touch. Stop make a political you know,
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Speaker 10: playing politics because you're playing with the lives of people
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Speaker 10: out there who are struggling. So we do need to
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Speaker 10: cut it back or are they back in the universities
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Speaker 10: that are making billions of dollars out of the foreign
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Speaker 10: students and taxpayers dollars as well. So you know, let's
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Speaker 10: be honest with what's happening in our society with people
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Speaker 10: not getting decent housing and the cost of living.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Pauline. I appreciate it, Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 1: They're the one nation leader joining.
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Speaker 2: Us live from Camber. You heard it there.
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Speaker 1: She'll be voting with the government to support their cap
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Speaker 1: on foreign students coming into the country.
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Speaker 2: So while the government says the.
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Speaker 1: Coalition is voting with the Greens against this measure, the
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Speaker 1: government will be getting the.
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Speaker 2: Support of one nation in favor of this measure.
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Speaker 1: Now, I showed you some great stuff from the COP
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Speaker 1: twenty nine Climate conference in Azerbaijan yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Remember the bloke who.
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Speaker 1: Saw all the talk about taxing meat to make us
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Speaker 1: all turn vegan to save the planet, and then he
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Speaker 1: noticed what all the delegates were eating.
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Speaker 11: Her profile speakers talk about meat rationing and a meat
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Speaker 11: tax and how the danger that agriculture and farmers were
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Speaker 11: doing to the climate summit. Well, guess what at this
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Speaker 11: UN Climate Summit. You can see right there, they're serving
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Speaker 11: beef hotdogs, They're serving burgers.
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Speaker 2: I have the menus here.
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Speaker 11: Meat is here, and I have not noticed any kind
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Speaker 11: of meat tax.
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Speaker 12: Additional on the food.
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Speaker 13: There is a.
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Speaker 12: Line a top twenty nine to foot court for the
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Speaker 12: buffet serving meat, another buffet serving meat, and there is
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Speaker 12: the vegan only restaurant. Does it quite look like the
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Speaker 12: same amount of interest by the UN delegation here?
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Speaker 2: Brilliant stuff there from Mark Morano.
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Speaker 1: He's the founder of the Climate Depot website that has
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Speaker 1: some pretty decent aims like making informed, rational decisions about
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Speaker 1: what drives the climate, whether and what actions are advisable,
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Speaker 1: how effective they would be, and whether the benefits out
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Speaker 1: by the costs. Yeah, costs versus benefits, which is pretty
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Speaker 1: basic judgment. I'm pleased to say that I managed to
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Speaker 1: catch up with Mark just after he returned from Baku
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Speaker 1: to Washington.
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Speaker 14: D C.
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Speaker 2: I go.
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Speaker 15: This is my twenty first out of the last twenty
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Speaker 15: three UN Climate summit's that I go to in person,
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Speaker 15: and this includes one of I was with the United
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Speaker 15: States Senate Environment Public Works Committee. This whole conference was
21:26
Speaker 15: about money, money, money. They want to go from one
21:30
Speaker 15: hundred billion a year to one to two trillion dollars
21:32
Speaker 15: a year for this UN Climate slash fund.
21:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frightening.
21:36
Speaker 1: And now Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen is there
21:39
Speaker 1: and we're worried about how much money he'll pledge on
21:42
Speaker 1: behalf of Australian taxpayers.
21:44
Speaker 2: But as you say that.
21:45
Speaker 1: The time of these conferences and the elites I suppose
21:48
Speaker 1: to turn up to them is very much do as
21:50
Speaker 1: we say, not as we do. And this whole push
21:54
Speaker 1: on taxing meets and other animal proteins such as cheese, yogurt, milk.
21:59
Speaker 2: The word this is not a fringe element.
22:02
Speaker 1: This is being pushed very substantially by key activists. He's
22:06
Speaker 1: another spokesperson. We've saint Overnight.
22:09
Speaker 16: When we eat meat and dairy, this is causing like
22:12
Speaker 16: twenty percent of all greenose COOS emissions, so it's damaging
22:17
Speaker 16: a lot of things in the world. Climate change is
22:21
Speaker 16: caused for twenty percent by meat and dairy, so the
22:24
Speaker 16: producers of meat and dairy should pay for the damage
22:27
Speaker 16: they cause.
22:29
Speaker 2: So it's all about money.
22:30
Speaker 1: They want us to pie if we're eating meat and
22:33
Speaker 1: animal proteins, and they want to use that for our
22:36
Speaker 1: own grand schemes. You've been going to these events so long, Mark,
22:39
Speaker 1: have you seen the indulgence and hypocrisy increase.
22:43
Speaker 2: Or has it always been at warp speed levels?
22:48
Speaker 15: No, it's increased dramatically. And the big reason I think
22:50
Speaker 15: it's increased is the rise of sort of the corporate
22:54
Speaker 15: government collusion with these conferences. Fifteen years ago, these were
22:59
Speaker 15: sort of ideological, radical, sort of left wing. You would
23:03
Speaker 15: have your Green Peace, Friends of the Earth, all these
23:06
Speaker 15: environmental groups. It was more taking it to the man
23:09
Speaker 15: the system. And what happened is the system, and not
23:13
Speaker 15: the good system of free markets, but the oligarch billionaire
23:17
Speaker 15: backed world economic form system sort of took over even
23:22
Speaker 15: more so this process. I mean, there's always the un
23:24
Speaker 15: so it was always a corrupt process, but it's really changed.
23:29
Speaker 15: And now you have all the fortune five hundred companies
23:32
Speaker 15: showing up and they it's like a merger now where
23:36
Speaker 15: no one needs to have a democracy anymore. You don't
23:39
Speaker 15: get to vote on any of this stuff. You don't
23:41
Speaker 15: get to vote on banning meat eating, you don't get
23:43
Speaker 15: to vote on gas powered car bands and almost every
23:46
Speaker 15: country I've examined and researched, these are done by unelected bureaucrats,
23:50
Speaker 15: by executive orders, and by corporate government collusion. And naturally
23:54
Speaker 15: reflective of what's been happening at these UN climate summits,
23:58
Speaker 15: they become a way for corporations to make money, green investors, entrepreneurs.
24:04
Speaker 15: And you might think, oh, well, that's a good thing people. No,
24:07
Speaker 15: it's a bad thing because it's a collusion that they're
24:11
Speaker 15: bypassing democracy with. And that's why the World Economic Form
24:14
Speaker 15: right before this conference once again they said we need
24:17
Speaker 15: to treat climate the way we treated COVID. They love
24:21
Speaker 15: that lockdown model. And this is why CNN is calling
24:24
Speaker 15: for carbon passports for people who want to travel. This
24:28
Speaker 15: is why this is the intentional rationing of energy, food,
24:33
Speaker 15: and a freedom of movement transportation. That's what net zero is.
24:36
Speaker 15: It's Soviet style central planning. That's what the UN is preaching,
24:40
Speaker 15: but with corporate power now behind it.
24:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt that's what we're fincing. And of
24:46
Speaker 1: course to motivate people towards this authoritarian goal, this sort
24:52
Speaker 1: of one world government, they will seem to be aspiring
24:54
Speaker 1: to central to that motivation is fear.
24:57
Speaker 2: They keep talking up ramping.
25:00
Speaker 1: The fear of climate changed the alamism, and that even
25:04
Speaker 1: came through when they saw a message beamed into everyone
25:08
Speaker 1: at Baku from the International Space Station and the NASA
25:11
Speaker 1: astronault say he look.
25:12
Speaker 5: We orbit the Earth every ninety minutes and can see
25:15
Speaker 5: how our planet is changing from increased extreme weather like
25:19
Speaker 5: hurricanes to shrinking glaciers and increased wildfires.
25:24
Speaker 1: There we go and I reckon, I can see the
25:26
Speaker 1: planet changing as they're rotating around the Earth and more hurricanes.
25:31
Speaker 2: More wildfires. The factual evidence doesn't back up the climbs.
25:37
Speaker 14: No.
25:37
Speaker 15: In fact, the UN reports and the science admits this
25:41
Speaker 15: buried deep in the report. Hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, wildfire's, droughts
25:45
Speaker 15: are either no increase or declining on climate time scales
25:49
Speaker 15: of ten I mean thirty fifty, one hundred years. There's
25:52
Speaker 15: no there there, you can't go. They talked about climate migrants.
25:57
Speaker 15: At this speech. Al Gore shows up and says production
26:00
Speaker 15: climate signed as many does come true. I'll say one
26:04
Speaker 15: polar bears, Gore warrnt. Polar bears were in danger. Well,
26:07
Speaker 15: I will say this polar bears are disappearing, but only
26:10
Speaker 15: from al Gore's books and movies. As they're now counting
26:13
Speaker 15: record numbers of polar bears. Al Gore did a sequel
26:16
Speaker 15: he omitted it. Scary thing about al Gore speech at
26:19
Speaker 15: this COP twenty nine. He is now partnered with Google
26:24
Speaker 15: to have trace satellites thousands, tens of thousands of them
26:28
Speaker 15: put around the world to monitor CO two emissions from factories,
26:32
Speaker 15: from farms, from individuals. And this I call big al
26:37
Speaker 15: is watching you. It's a surveillance system that's going to
26:40
Speaker 15: allow them to start penalizing and put in structures to
26:44
Speaker 15: monitor and penalize companies, businesses, farmers and tax them for
26:49
Speaker 15: CO two emissions. And by the way, humans we inhale oxygen,
26:52
Speaker 15: we exhale CO two. So you want to wonder are
26:55
Speaker 15: al Gore and Google satellites monitoring human breath.
27:00
Speaker 1: Is the extraordinary stuff. Thank God that you are there
27:03
Speaker 1: watching them for us. Thanks so much for speaking with us.
27:07
Speaker 15: Thank you, Chrits.
27:08
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, ah Baku, aren't you glad you're not there?
27:13
Speaker 2: Now?
27:13
Speaker 1: After the break, going to catch up with energy energy
27:16
Speaker 1: expert Matt Rennie.
27:17
Speaker 2: We're going to dove into last night's exclusive Sky's new Sky.
27:20
Speaker 1: News documentary Chris Human's fantastic Real Cost of net Zero. Okay,
27:32
Speaker 1: let's get back to Labour's renewables green dream. And while
27:35
Speaker 1: they scoff at the cost of nuclear we lent last
27:38
Speaker 1: week that the renewables transition will cost six hundred billion dollars.
27:43
Speaker 1: That's five times what Labor has been telling us. The
27:46
Speaker 1: issue was explored last night in Chris Human's doco The
27:50
Speaker 1: Real Cost of Net Zero.
27:52
Speaker 2: And if you didn't get the chance to.
27:54
Speaker 1: Watch it live, then you can catch up on our
27:56
Speaker 1: website skynews dot com dot a you.
27:58
Speaker 2: But here's some of the information that Chris shared with us.
28:02
Speaker 17: Turning unreliable generation into instantly available power means whether dependent
28:08
Speaker 17: generators have to be hooked up to a complex and
28:11
Speaker 17: expensive life support system the old grid didn't need. It's
28:16
Speaker 17: what the boffins call verming.
28:19
Speaker 14: So powered by the sun and the wind, firmed up
28:22
Speaker 14: with batteries and pumped hydro.
28:26
Speaker 17: And each of these steps adds costs to the system.
28:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's bring an energy expert. Matt Rennie from Runny
28:33
Speaker 2: Advisory joining us live from Brisbane.
28:35
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again and that was a good
28:37
Speaker 1: little explainer of how you need to firm up renewables.
28:40
Speaker 2: And then on top of that, of course, which is
28:43
Speaker 2: a very.
28:43
Speaker 1: Expensive and complex mechanism, you have to add an enormous
28:48
Speaker 1: amount of transition transmission to link it all up, and
28:52
Speaker 1: this all adds to the cost. Is it any wonder
28:55
Speaker 1: that now we're now talking about a six hundred billion
28:59
Speaker 1: dollar transition.
29:03
Speaker 14: I think that's right, Chris. I mean, if it was
29:05
Speaker 14: being done on time and at the scale that was necessary,
29:09
Speaker 14: it would be that. I suspect we're going to need
29:11
Speaker 14: a little bit more than that as we look to
29:13
Speaker 14: firm up even beyond that that the thesis, the AMO thesis,
29:18
Speaker 14: has been that solar and renewables and hydro with batteries
29:22
Speaker 14: could get us there. But I think we're all admitting
29:23
Speaker 14: now that we're probably going to struggle in the twenty
29:25
Speaker 14: thirty period.
29:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what you've been saying for a long while.
29:29
Speaker 1: We've had this retric from the government that is all
29:31
Speaker 1: going to happen, it's all rolling out, we're all on track,
29:33
Speaker 1: and even though you're largely supportive of their model, you're
29:37
Speaker 1: saying we're a long way short.
29:38
Speaker 2: And because we're a long way short.
29:40
Speaker 1: That means keeping gas, certainly keeping coal on longer, and
29:44
Speaker 1: maybe going to even more gas than we've got at
29:47
Speaker 1: the moment.
29:49
Speaker 14: Oh, I think that's exactly right. I mean, a few
29:51
Speaker 14: years ago we were saying that solar renewables in batteries
29:55
Speaker 14: could do the entire thing we've now about a year ago,
29:58
Speaker 14: we're now talking about a role for household batteries and
30:01
Speaker 14: solar that are going to meet this gap. And now
30:03
Speaker 14: the rhetoric is beginning to shift towards gas peaking and firming,
30:07
Speaker 14: and now to gas baseload. I think all of these
30:11
Speaker 14: types of generation are reflective of the fact that I
30:14
Speaker 14: think most of us are realizing that there's a yawning
30:16
Speaker 14: gap emerging and it needs to be filled by something.
30:19
Speaker 14: And I'm not sure that people know exactly what just.
30:21
Speaker 1: Yet, a lot of people are talking about gas. Gas
30:24
Speaker 1: needs to get us there. And here's what Chris Shulman
30:27
Speaker 1: had to say about gas last night.
30:30
Speaker 17: The inconvenient truth is the new system can't deliver reliable
30:35
Speaker 17: power without gas. Gas is the ultimate backstop for.
30:39
Speaker 14: Reliability for a net zero power system.
30:43
Speaker 17: And not just a little bit of gas. Fifteen gigawatts
30:47
Speaker 17: enough power to run fifteen million homes through twenty fifty
30:51
Speaker 17: and beyond. So gas is not the backup. It's the
30:57
Speaker 17: backbone of a weather dependent grid which simply will not
31:00
Speaker 17: function as a reliable electricity system without it. Gas will
31:04
Speaker 17: be essential to cover the daily fluctuations in wind and
31:07
Speaker 17: solar generation, the morning and evening hours of peak demand,
31:11
Speaker 17: and the longer still dark nights.
31:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the importance of gas.
31:18
Speaker 1: But one of the complications here, Matt is if you
31:21
Speaker 1: need to have that gas generation as a backup, you
31:23
Speaker 1: need cheap gas. Now, to get cheap gas, you've got
31:26
Speaker 1: to exploit a lot of gas. You've got to use
31:28
Speaker 1: a lot of it, and you've got to know you've
31:30
Speaker 1: got to use it. They can't buy the gas on
31:33
Speaker 1: long term contracts and then the wind blows for three months,
31:36
Speaker 1: so they don't get to burn any of it.
31:39
Speaker 14: No, and there's a lot of issues in the notion
31:42
Speaker 14: of gas being a base load fuel. That The first
31:45
Speaker 14: is priced. I mean, we don't have to go very
31:47
Speaker 14: far back to remember that only two years ago there
31:49
Speaker 14: were gas price caps because gas was so expensive. Secondly,
31:54
Speaker 14: you know, the notion of there been fifteen gigawats of
31:56
Speaker 14: gas in the mid twenty thirties was nowhere near amos
32:00
Speaker 14: ISP two years ago. This is very much a recent
32:03
Speaker 14: phenomena caused by delays. But lastly, when we're looking at
32:07
Speaker 14: a baseload solution, if we're looking at gas as the
32:10
Speaker 14: baseloader solution, I'm not sure that from an environmental perspective,
32:14
Speaker 14: it's better than coal, but it's certainly not what was promised.
32:17
Speaker 2: So it doesn't.
32:18
Speaker 1: All the logic point as to the fact that if
32:20
Speaker 1: you want baseload, and you need baseload, and it seems
32:22
Speaker 1: like we do need baseload, you better to look to nuclear.
32:26
Speaker 1: And even if that takes us ten to twenty years,
32:28
Speaker 1: we can get there with gas and coal in the
32:31
Speaker 1: introm but you end up with a system that has
32:33
Speaker 1: nuclear baseload, a lot of renewables are probably still some
32:37
Speaker 1: gas peaking.
32:40
Speaker 14: I think the I think conventional thought is moving very
32:43
Speaker 14: quickly that way. I mean, nuclear isn't going to help
32:46
Speaker 14: us in the twenty thirties. I think going to need
32:49
Speaker 14: to find a solution for that, and it's most likely
32:51
Speaker 14: going to be running coal for longer and keeping gas on.
32:53
Speaker 14: But you know, if there's two questions on nuclear, you
32:56
Speaker 14: know is there room for it in the stack. Well, yes,
32:59
Speaker 14: we're moving from sixty gigawat's the three hundred giga. What's
33:01
Speaker 14: there's room for everything? And secondly, from a price perspective,
33:04
Speaker 14: is it comparable? And you know, if you're building it
33:07
Speaker 14: in China it to be one hundred and twelve megal
33:08
Speaker 14: one hundred.
33:09
Speaker 2: And twelve dollars of mega whata.
33:10
Speaker 14: If you're building in an Australia, people say it's going
33:12
Speaker 14: to be about one hundred and sixty dollars a megawatt.
33:14
Speaker 14: But we need to think that wholesale is about thirty
33:16
Speaker 14: percent of what customers are paying at the moment, and
33:19
Speaker 14: certainly nothing's going to push prices down.
33:22
Speaker 2: Fascinating stuff. Matt, thanks for joining us. Matt.
33:24
Speaker 1: Rennie there from Renny Advisory, joining us live from Brisbane.
33:27
Speaker 1: Got to get to a break. On the other side,
33:28
Speaker 1: I'm going to catch up with Susan McDonald from the Coalition.
33:31
Speaker 1: Talk about Chris Bowen in COP twenty nine. He spent
33:34
Speaker 1: another fifty million dollars of your tax money on Labour's
33:38
Speaker 1: climate agenda.
33:43
Speaker 2: Good day.
33:44
Speaker 1: Let's get into the wrangle with Liz Staer from the
33:47
Speaker 1: Late Debate. Comes in early to join us on a Wednesday.
33:49
Speaker 1: Good Liz, you've got a different wrangling partner today. Justin
33:53
Speaker 1: Smith's not here. Scott News anytime, Joe Hilde pretty much
34:00
Speaker 1: there are you as disagreeable as him? We shall see
34:04
Speaker 1: I disagree.
34:05
Speaker 2: Why don't we start with Kevin Rudd. He's back. Let's
34:09
Speaker 2: have a look at a little of what he's had
34:11
Speaker 2: to say here at the embassy.
34:13
Speaker 9: We've been working hard through the course of the last
34:16
Speaker 9: year to ensure that we were well prepared for this moment,
34:21
Speaker 9: and the bottom line.
34:21
Speaker 2: Is we're ready. Of course he's bloody ready. But well,
34:27
Speaker 2: this is the thing.
34:27
Speaker 13: Trump has shown himself to be incredibly forgiving. I mean,
34:31
Speaker 13: there are very few people in the world who haven't
34:33
Speaker 13: had something bad to say about Donald Trump at some point.
34:36
Speaker 13: I'm one of them. As much as I'm loving the show,
34:38
Speaker 13: his vice presidential peak, of course, was hypercritical and called
34:41
Speaker 13: him all sorts of names. And as soon as you
34:43
Speaker 13: sort of come round, as soon as you sort of converted,
34:47
Speaker 13: or you kissed the ring or whatever, Trump is always
34:49
Speaker 13: mad nanimous. He did it with the host of Morning.
34:51
Speaker 2: Joe, of course.
34:51
Speaker 13: Joe had them down for a meeting, that's right, and
34:54
Speaker 13: they came down to Marrilaga and again as long as
34:57
Speaker 13: like I mean, this is a bloke who gets belted
34:59
Speaker 13: up by all and sundry. As soon as people are
35:02
Speaker 13: kind of nice to him, suddenly he's quite magnanimous. So
35:05
Speaker 13: I don't think there will be a problem at all.
35:06
Speaker 13: I think that that Kevin Rudd will stay on his
35:10
Speaker 13: ambassador and will be able to work with him. He
35:12
Speaker 13: will have to learn how to play golf, but he
35:14
Speaker 13: only has to learn, He only has to learn how
35:16
Speaker 13: to lose. And I have no doubt Albo will, as
35:20
Speaker 13: he's shown in the past, is very happy to work
35:22
Speaker 13: with people across the arm.
35:23
Speaker 2: Look, I kind of think you might be right, Joe.
35:25
Speaker 2: The thing is.
35:26
Speaker 1: The thing is is that with Trump, he is so unpredictable.
35:29
Speaker 1: You can easily imagine him making a joke about it
35:32
Speaker 1: and slapping right on the back and let's come on
35:34
Speaker 1: and we really want to work together.
35:36
Speaker 2: Or he could choose to be vindictive because.
35:39
Speaker 1: This bloke was an appity type and shouldn't have said that,
35:42
Speaker 1: which would.
35:42
Speaker 18: Be fair a diplomat. As a diplomat, you are there
35:46
Speaker 18: at the behest of your host country. Now, Trump did
35:49
Speaker 18: some months ago tell Nigel farage. I've heard, right, isn't
35:53
Speaker 18: the brightest bowl. I've heard he's a little bit nasty
35:56
Speaker 18: and if that proves to be the case, I'll give
35:58
Speaker 18: him the boot.
35:58
Speaker 2: A week before left he didn't know who was talking about.
36:02
Speaker 18: Really no, no, because right it is a nobody, He's
36:05
Speaker 18: an absolute nobody. Also, a week before the election, Lara Trump,
36:10
Speaker 18: who is his Trump's daughter in law, did say, yes,
36:13
Speaker 18: my father will be looking at replacing him. Now what
36:16
Speaker 18: she knows about the situation, who's to say I dare
36:20
Speaker 18: say that though that the vast majority of Australians knows
36:23
Speaker 18: that we can do better in terms of an ambassador
36:25
Speaker 18: with our closest ally, and I genuinely think that Dutton
36:29
Speaker 18: should add that to the list of his election promises.
36:33
Speaker 18: If you have a coalition government next year, we will
36:37
Speaker 18: do better for our closest.
36:39
Speaker 13: To make the quick point, it's not Donald Trump's job
36:41
Speaker 13: to pick who is the Australian ambassador to the United States.
36:44
Speaker 2: It's our government's job.
36:46
Speaker 18: But they get to vet them.
36:48
Speaker 1: They I have some experience and we have had foreign
36:55
Speaker 1: countries veto people in the past. The interesting thing here,
36:58
Speaker 1: I came up with the idea last night idea must
37:00
Speaker 1: be brilliant, runs a China expert, send him to Beijing.
37:05
Speaker 13: Well, I think I'm absolutely out of the reason he
37:08
Speaker 13: was appointed is because of the book he wrote on
37:09
Speaker 13: China and basically navigating I mean the Australia's relationship with
37:14
Speaker 13: China is australias relationship with the US. I mean, the
37:16
Speaker 13: reason why we need the US there is is a
37:18
Speaker 13: bulwark against China, and that is why Kevin ruds there.
37:21
Speaker 13: But I don't I don't think you could veto pick
37:23
Speaker 13: once they're already there retrospectively vedo, but certainly Trump could
37:26
Speaker 13: make life so difficult. So all right, keeping there, but
37:29
Speaker 13: I'm just never ever going to But that.
37:30
Speaker 18: Is another good reason to get rid of him. Trump
37:32
Speaker 18: being very hardline on China. We're talking about sixty percent
37:35
Speaker 18: tariffs on some Chinese goods now taking place in the
37:39
Speaker 18: US under a Trump administration. And then as an Australian ambassador,
37:43
Speaker 18: you've got someone who's made a living out of giving
37:45
Speaker 18: the Chinese a tongue bath every chance he.
37:47
Speaker 1: Gave Ulan Bator might be vacant if they wanted to
37:51
Speaker 1: send him to Mongolia.
37:52
Speaker 2: Or something, why not? Why not?
37:57
Speaker 1: The point about Rudder is it's all in Trump's hands
37:59
Speaker 1: if there's no access.
38:00
Speaker 2: If our embassy finds it's getting.
38:02
Speaker 1: No access and Trump gets Rudd gets no access, well
38:05
Speaker 1: then they have to shift him.
38:07
Speaker 2: They have to shift.
38:08
Speaker 13: I do not think that will happen. And I think again,
38:11
Speaker 13: you know there's a lesson there, which is, you know,
38:13
Speaker 13: is all of this really worth you getting your rocks
38:15
Speaker 13: off on Twitter? But I don't think it will happen.
38:18
Speaker 1: Well, it shows really poor judgment from Rutt, who's supposed
38:21
Speaker 1: to be diplomat.
38:22
Speaker 18: Another reason why you just shouldn't exactly.
38:24
Speaker 1: It really disqualifies him from the job with that lack
38:27
Speaker 1: of judgment. Now let's talk about Albow. He's copying a
38:31
Speaker 1: lot of stick Liz for being overseas again air bus
38:34
Speaker 1: elbow and all that. But the thing is some of
38:37
Speaker 1: if we could question some of his travel, but he's
38:39
Speaker 1: got to go to Apex and the G twenty, doesn't he.
38:42
Speaker 18: He does kind of, but I don't think he'd be
38:45
Speaker 18: getting this flack if it weren't on the end of
38:48
Speaker 18: a very long list, hence the nickname air bus Elbow.
38:52
Speaker 5: I was genuinely having.
38:54
Speaker 18: A hard thought today and I said to myself, I
38:57
Speaker 18: don't think that. I genuinely am starting to wonder whether
39:00
Speaker 18: this guy wants to be re elected, because if you
39:04
Speaker 18: wanted to be re elected, what would you do differently?
39:08
Speaker 18: A hell of a lot.
39:09
Speaker 2: So this I think is uncalled for.
39:13
Speaker 18: Everyone's given him shtick for it because of his reputation
39:16
Speaker 18: traveling around so much in the past.
39:18
Speaker 2: This I think is uncalled for.
39:20
Speaker 18: But again, the media are now in the mode of
39:22
Speaker 18: absolutely slamming him in the lead up to what we
39:25
Speaker 18: know will be at April May election next year. So
39:28
Speaker 18: he's on the nose. We're taking every chance we can
39:31
Speaker 18: to slam him because, as the polls reflect as well,
39:34
Speaker 18: Australia is not so keen on another Albanese government in.
39:38
Speaker 2: Terms he's on the nose.
39:40
Speaker 1: It's true he is a figure of much invective, but
39:44
Speaker 1: surely he wants to be real.
39:45
Speaker 13: He definitely, I can assure you he definitely does, and
39:47
Speaker 13: he have every retention and if anything is still his actions,
39:51
Speaker 13: he's still pretty bullish about it. Obviously, he has to
39:54
Speaker 13: go to Apec, he has to go to the G twenty.
39:56
Speaker 13: If he gets an opportunity to meet Donald Trump, he
39:58
Speaker 13: has to do that as well, and will Cabana.
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Speaker 2: Marillia, COVID Cavana, mar Lago.
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Speaker 13: But I think, I mean, the truth is that how
40:12
Speaker 13: popular Anthony Albaneze is depends on whether or not we
40:16
Speaker 13: get a rate cut in the first half of next
40:18
Speaker 13: year before the election. I think, and you know, to
40:20
Speaker 13: a large extent, you know there is a cost of
40:22
Speaker 13: living crisis on at the moment. In those circumstances stances,
40:25
Speaker 13: the government is going to be flamee.
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Speaker 1: It's an easy game for the coalition to run because
40:31
Speaker 1: there's not going to be a rate cut. He promised
40:32
Speaker 1: to bring them down, didn't promise to bring electricity prices down,
40:36
Speaker 1: they went up, promised to fixed cost of living it's
40:38
Speaker 1: worse than ever.
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Speaker 18: And spent most of his time in office trying to
40:42
Speaker 18: get a jolly referendum up that nobody asked for, nobody wanted,
40:46
Speaker 18: and got very comprehensively.
40:48
Speaker 2: To voice speak talking about that as a fan.
40:52
Speaker 18: Of this government, because I struggled to think of it,
40:55
Speaker 18: even trying to be as fair as possible. Can you
40:58
Speaker 18: name at least three proper wins, because they have been okay,
41:02
Speaker 18: quick three wins?
41:03
Speaker 13: Tax cuts for everybody, change that everyone got one. I
41:13
Speaker 13: got less money, so I'm out of pocket. Everyone got
41:16
Speaker 13: one in the first phase. This was the third anyway,
41:19
Speaker 13: and now everyone got even more exchange.
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Speaker 15: That was the most popular thing he ever did.
41:25
Speaker 2: I think that's what There's that free.
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Speaker 13: Take to address the skills shortage, child care relief.
41:31
Speaker 2: For Laura middle comes, a bit more money. There's a
41:34
Speaker 2: bit more money around.
41:34
Speaker 13: And then of course there's the you know, the three
41:36
Speaker 13: hundred bucks off your power bill, and I know they're
41:38
Speaker 13: too high already, but it is three hundred dollars less
41:41
Speaker 13: than they otherwise.
41:42
Speaker 2: Good lad, good luck and RUMs that you can name
41:48
Speaker 2: China without TACRIFI Australia.
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Speaker 18: Are the wins that you can name.
41:53
Speaker 10: I think we can go.
41:55
Speaker 1: We have to.
41:56
Speaker 2: We have to go to a break.
41:57
Speaker 1: But that's the list from Joe cow telling to China
41:59
Speaker 1: and breaking an election promise.
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Speaker 2: We will come back with.
42:04
Speaker 1: One of the things I want to hoilhlight in the
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Speaker 1: next segment, though, is we'll show you some of the
42:08
Speaker 1: changing dynamic in Washington. Is the Republicans get a little triumphalist.
42:12
Speaker 2: They go away.
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Speaker 1: Thank yeah, Okay, let's go and keep going with our
42:22
Speaker 1: Wednesday wrangle with Liz Story here on the desk with
42:24
Speaker 1: me and Joe Hildebrand. I want to go to Washington
42:27
Speaker 1: and talk about how the whole dynamic there is changing.
42:30
Speaker 1: Now we're to AOC, the favorite lefty of the Democrats.
42:34
Speaker 1: She's always been very big on pronouns, and she used
42:38
Speaker 1: to have pronouns on her Twitter handles, she her and
42:40
Speaker 1: all that going back a year or so they disappeared
42:44
Speaker 1: and she had to apologize for it.
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Speaker 3: Have a look, Oh, I'm sorry about that.
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Speaker 2: They used to be on there. Let me go in
42:50
Speaker 2: and check and see if I can add them. Sorry
42:52
Speaker 2: about that.
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Speaker 16: They used to be there.
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Speaker 1: I guess they fell off, but I'll put them.
42:56
Speaker 16: On right now.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, the pro priority now wise people why the Democrats
43:04
Speaker 13: won the last Well, she's now dropped them off again.
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Speaker 1: Apparently they're all getting rid of their pronouns there. They
43:10
Speaker 1: think there's a reaction against the whole pronouns thing, especially
43:13
Speaker 1: from Hispanic voters and the like, many of whom are Catholics.
43:16
Speaker 1: And have a look at this Republican Steve Danes, a
43:19
Speaker 1: Republican senator turning up for duty.
43:21
Speaker 2: Listen to the way he kicks off his presser.
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Speaker 14: Hi, am Steve Deans, My pronouns are Republican majority.
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Speaker 1: I have a.
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Speaker 5: I have a simple message for Chuck Schumer and for
43:35
Speaker 5: Barb Casey.
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Speaker 2: It's over.
43:38
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: My pronouns are Republican majority, a bit of triumphalism.
43:42
Speaker 2: There is it silly or.
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Speaker 18: Well, it's deserved, but it looks like it's going to
43:47
Speaker 18: be short lived. Upon the arrival of the midterms, the
43:51
Speaker 18: Republicans will very likely lose the House. So this short
43:55
Speaker 18: honeymoon period where they've obviously got the presidency, they won
43:59
Speaker 18: the Senate, they've got the majority in the House, they're
44:02
Speaker 18: going to have to make hay while the sun shines,
44:05
Speaker 18: because come the mid terms, that hey day is going
44:08
Speaker 18: to be over.
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Speaker 2: I love the fun and games, but I think this
44:10
Speaker 2: triumphalism leads to pain in the a.
44:13
Speaker 13: I love the spectacle of it, but I think they
44:15
Speaker 13: are as as. My point of view obviously is the
44:18
Speaker 13: Democrats need to get their act together, and labor here
44:21
Speaker 13: needs to watch very carefully what happens when you go
44:24
Speaker 13: down that elitist, woken path educated left the vote and
44:30
Speaker 13: ignore conventional traditional workers who have economic needs that dwarf
44:36
Speaker 13: any of that identity politics stuff, and also who often
44:40
Speaker 13: migrants and therefore come from a background of traditional values
44:44
Speaker 13: and again, it's good to see the Democrats are learning that.
44:48
Speaker 2: Lesson.
44:49
Speaker 13: Nate Silva said straight after the election that there were
44:53
Speaker 13: serious that the Democrats finally were actually discovering just how
44:58
Speaker 13: noxious the this NBC and CNN, you know, and their
45:02
Speaker 13: ratings reflect that to ordinary working people. And again banging
45:06
Speaker 13: on about pronouns when people do not have enough food
45:10
Speaker 13: on the table is you know, working people see that
45:13
Speaker 13: as a direct insult to them. It's not that they're
45:15
Speaker 13: anti trans people. It's not that they oppose it. They
45:17
Speaker 13: probably don't even think about it one way or the other.
45:19
Speaker 2: I just say, I'm.
45:20
Speaker 13: Going through this and you're talking about that.
45:22
Speaker 1: It's the wrong priorities, it's it's it's everything. But I
45:26
Speaker 1: want to show you another aspect of this, which is
45:28
Speaker 1: plays into really serious issues globally, and I love this.
45:32
Speaker 1: This is the new Republican Senate majority leader, John Thume.
45:36
Speaker 2: Have a look at this.
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Speaker 8: So to our allies in Israel and to the Jewish
45:41
Speaker 8: people around the world, my message to you is this,
45:45
Speaker 8: reinforcements are on the way. Senate Republicans reclaim the majority
45:51
Speaker 8: in six weeks, and we would when we do, we
45:53
Speaker 8: will make clear that the United States Congress stands squarely
45:57
Speaker 8: in Israel's corner, and we will help the Trump be
46:00
Speaker 8: It administration defend Israel in promote peace in the region.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great stuff.
46:06
Speaker 1: Now America has not been as pathetic as Australia on Israel,
46:10
Speaker 1: but the Democrats have been pretty weak, and that's going
46:12
Speaker 1: to be a welcome message in Israel.
46:14
Speaker 13: Yeah, and look again, let's not forget the reason October
46:17
Speaker 13: seven happened is because of the success of the Abraham Accords,
46:20
Speaker 13: and Israel was about to restore friendly relations or forge
46:23
Speaker 13: friendly relations with Saudi Arabia, first time that has ever
46:25
Speaker 13: happened in the history of either two countries. And that
46:28
Speaker 13: was negotiated by Jared Kushner, Trump's son in law. Very Trumpian,
46:32
Speaker 13: you know, get the family involved, face to face stuff,
46:35
Speaker 13: moder nepotism. But it really worked, worked, And I can
46:38
Speaker 13: say having been there that before October seven, Israel was
46:43
Speaker 13: just wrapped about it. They felt finally no longer in
46:46
Speaker 13: fear of their existence. That is what provoked October seven.
46:48
Speaker 13: Hamas did not want to see that, that Iran didn't
46:50
Speaker 13: want to see that, and Iran didn't want to see
46:52
Speaker 13: it either, And there was a report just a few
46:55
Speaker 13: days ago that Iran was actually holding off its latest
46:58
Speaker 13: barrage of missiles against Israel to see if it could
47:02
Speaker 13: strike some sort of deal with Trump or to see
47:04
Speaker 13: what Trump will do. And again it's that kind of
47:06
Speaker 13: Trumpian sort of Madman diplomacy where suddenly this is not
47:10
Speaker 13: someone they think is a known quantity. You know, they
47:13
Speaker 13: think they can bomb Israel or whatever, and that they
47:16
Speaker 13: can sort of pretty much guess what Biden's reaction will
47:18
Speaker 13: be by a more ordered restraint on or urge restraint
47:21
Speaker 13: on Israel's part, et cetera, et cetera, whereas Trump will
47:24
Speaker 13: just say go and wipe him out if you want,
47:26
Speaker 13: will help.
47:26
Speaker 2: You peace through strength. Let me just go quickly to
47:29
Speaker 2: the president lives and get your thoughts on this.
47:31
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is still mooching around the place. He's just
47:34
Speaker 1: been to Peru and Brazil for Apex and the G twenty.
47:38
Speaker 1: Like Albo, the journos followed him around for a few days.
47:41
Speaker 1: They never got to ask him a question. So listen
47:44
Speaker 1: how they yell out to him as he departs. I've
48:00
Speaker 1: got the trip away with the president under there, and
48:02
Speaker 1: I got to ask him a question.
48:05
Speaker 2: He's not wandering off into the rainforest and was an
48:07
Speaker 2: official footage. I would have sworn that someone had just
48:10
Speaker 2: done this.
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Speaker 15: Really hilarious his.
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Speaker 18: Voice over, but look, this guy's tapped out. It's his
48:17
Speaker 18: eighty second birthday today. By the way, Grandpa, he's completely
48:23
Speaker 18: tapped out. This is probably one of his last big
48:26
Speaker 18: official visits. Last night on the Late Debate, we showed
48:29
Speaker 18: a video of them all getting together, all the world
48:32
Speaker 18: leaders at this big summit, taking their big group photo.
48:36
Speaker 18: And then someone turned around after they were disbanding, and Jim,
48:40
Speaker 18: where's buying?
48:45
Speaker 13: Although he is old, but just tell you know, as
48:47
Speaker 13: a special treat for his birthday, Jill is going to
48:49
Speaker 13: let him stay up till four thirty two.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for and Liz will be back at ten o'clock
48:56
Speaker 1: for the Late Debate coming up next to his Peter Creedlin.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow