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Cancer Without Chemo with Deanna Won · Authentic Living

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  Welcome to authentic living with Roxanne, a place where we conscious conversations about
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  things that really matter in our lives.
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  And now here's your host, Roxanne Derhodge.
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  Hi, everyone.
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  It's Alex Sanderaj.
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  This week, I'm authentically been with Roxanne.
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  I've decided to air one of my earliest podcasts with Diana Wong, and it's a cancer without
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  chemo.
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  And what I'm, pleased to say is that this has been one of the most impactful, topics that I
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  covered on my podcast, which, heard about a year ago, it's something that's to touch me
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  personally.
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  I had a sister that, unfortunately, had breast cancer and really have someone, really close
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  now that is struggling with cancer.
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  So I thought spending the time as she kind of shared her recovery process with us from stage
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  4 cancer would be timely.
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  So hope that you tune in and, we'll go we're gonna also have Deanna back relatively quickly
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  to talk about nutrition and the acidic, elements of food and how that can impact our
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  body and, you know, what kind of things we need to do to keep our body in an alkaline state.
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  So, hopefully, you you tune in and, you know, hear all these words of wisdom that she will
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  share with us yet again.
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  Take care.
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  We'll talk to you soon.
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  Today, we're so privileged to have, Diana who has written an amazing book that's about to
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  come out.
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  So, let me tell you a little bit about her.
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  It's called already 1 and it's gonna be out pretty soon and I hope she'll be able to tell
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  us when.
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  It's from serving my country and overcoming cancer to living a vibrant life, by doc by
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  Colonel Deanna Wong.
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  She's a founder of keynotes, to life.
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  A speaker.
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  She's a leadership consultant, a holistic, coach, health coach, and, She tries to let
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  people reach their high potential through integrating principles with purpose and healthy
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  living.
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  So thank you for, being here today, Diana.
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  Oh, thanks, Roxanne.
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  It's great to be here with you.
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  So you're my first guest.
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  So I'm going to say that, you know, the the this topic that we're gonna be talking about
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  just so viewers are aware, it's, you know, like we call it, you and I had said the other day
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  when we chatted the big c words, which is cancer, which I know keeps us up a lot at
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  nights, for the average person.
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  So Deanna's, gonna tell us a little bit hopefully about her story and what her
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  struggles were with, actually having ovarian cancer and what kind of things she learned
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  about herself, through the process and to get herself through full recovery.
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  So, Deanna, tell us tell us a little bit about you and your past and what what kind of led you
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  here today.
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  Oh, sure.
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  Okay.
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  So I was, you know, I'd spent, well over 20 years working as a physicist in the Air Force.
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  And, I was actually at basically at the height of my career working as a colonel, And that's
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  when I found out that I had ovarian cancer.
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  And, it was quite a shock to me because you know, being in the military, they, you know, we
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  we get physically tested every year medically.
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  You know, they check on us to make sure we're, you know, in good shape.
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  And, but yet I, you know, found out that I had this, diagnosis.
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  And I immediately began, to change my diet.
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  I you know, growing up, my mother's father was a Chinese herbalist.
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  And so I grew up seeing how effective these herbs can heal the body without any side
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  effects.
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  And so that had very profound impact on me because When I was in the hospital,
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  experiencing excruciating pain, where my body was actually convulsing and voluntarily I was
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  really surprised when they put me on a morphine IV, it did really nothing to relieve any of
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  that pain.
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  And in fact, it made me more sick and so they they gave me other medications.
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  And what I saw was a very vicious cycle of medications, And so that's what really got me
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  on this path of trying to heal holistically.
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  And so I immediately changed my diet.
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  I started eating organic raw vegan food only, and I started juicing green vegetables and
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  wheatgrass juice.
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  And within 3 months of making this change, my elevated tumor marker actually dropped back
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  down to, normal and the tumor actually started to shrink.
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  And so I thought, well, that's great.
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  You know, this I this is on I'm on the right path here.
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  So I continued this and, you know, 10 months down the road, my doctor's extremely pleased,
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  and he shows me the scan, which shows that the tumors actually dying from the inside out.
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  And so at that point, I thought, wow, everything's under control.
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  And so I went back to working my normal, you know, very long 16 to 18 hour days in the
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  military.
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  And I went overseas for my job where I was not able to maintain paying that diet and regimen.
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  And what I found when I returned back to United States is that, all the good progress I had
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  made reversed.
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  And the tumor started to grow aggressively.
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  So I had this rather large tumor now that was growing because it it tripled in size in just a
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  period of 3 months.
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  And it it was actually as large as 27 centimeters, which is basically like this.
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  It was huge.
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  And, it spread.
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  I was told that it spread to my peritoneal lining.
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  So I was told I had peritoneal carcinoma as well.
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  And, it affected my lungs.
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  Both of my lungs collapsed and filled with fluid And that's when the doctors admitted me
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  into hospice.
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  And I was told that I had 4 weeks left to live.
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  I was actually on oxygen.
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  And, you know, it it's interesting because that was rather challenging time for me, physically,
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  but I think there was still a part of me that was still in a bit of denial.
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  I was still At that point, I was still trying to attend conferences and take classes and
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  courses because I really felt like I was on this journey or quest to just learn as much as
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  I could.
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  And and that's actually what put me on the path of trying to heal holistically because I had
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  done so much research know, once I got over the initial fear of the diagnosis.
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  And, it it took a lot for me to finally realize how really dire my situation was.
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  And it, you know, it came to a point where I wasn't able eat anything solid for close to 40
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  days because by this time, my stomach and my left lung had shifted further to the left.
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  And then I could barely drink anything.
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  It would take me 1 hour just to drink a glass of the vegetable juice because it just created
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  so much pain every time I tried to swallow something.
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  And, then, you know, when I was literally gasping for air and I couldn't breathe anymore.
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  It was very challenging.
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  I realized that it was only a matter of time before, you know, I my organs would expire
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  because due to the lack of oxygen, and what happened is one day I my my blood pressure
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  dropped.
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  It it just dropped so low that all the muscles of my body began to contract and And by this
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  point, I was retaining a lot of fluid.
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  And so I would gain actually up to £10 of fluid in just one day.
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  And it was very painful.
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  And so when I was in this state, I really thought that was the end of my life.
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  You know, it it was like more pain than I could bear.
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  And, I was, you know, just screaming for help.
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  And, my cousin was there with her mother taking care of me.
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  And, she called the hospice nurse and that nurse just said, well, just, you know, give her
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  some pain medication and call me back in a half hour.
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  And I'm so glad that my cousin said, you know, we don't have a half hour.
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  I'm going to call 911.
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  And so they came.
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  I got admitted.
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  And I was told that, you know, you you have to start chemotherapy right away.
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  If you don't, you know, you're going to die, essentially.
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  And I I prayed about it.
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  And what I I said to god, you know, if you want me to do the chemo, I will do it, but I need to
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  hear this from you because with my background as a physicist and having worked in chemical
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  and biological defense, I understood some of the effects that chemotherapy would have, you
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  know, not only on the cancer cells, but on my immune system, which is a very system that you
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  would need to be able to effectively handle the cancer.
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  And so what I heard back was to ask for the psychology report which is, you know, they they
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  had just drawn out all this fluid out of my abdomen.
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  And, you know, it it was just like bags of red blood that they took out of me.
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  It really should be a straw yellow as a normal color.
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  And so When I saw that and, you know, heard back from god that, you know, to ask an
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  ecologist for this, I asked, but His initial response was we don't have any time to wait for
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  that report.
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  It's going to be malignant, and I need you to start came with every right away because your
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  condition is very poor.
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  And I pushed back and he finally agreed to wait for the report It took another 2 days, and I'm
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  not even sure I could hang on for that amount of time because it's just so hard to breathe.
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  And he came back and said, You know, your intuition to wait for this report was a good
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  one because it came back negative for cancer cells, and that was really surprising.
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  To me, it was surprises to the doctors.
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  And so he we don't need to explain to me that what this means is you can actually this opens
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  up the opportunity for you to have surgery.
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  So I sit yes right away, and I would have to be transferred to another hospital, but they
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  didn't have any beds available.
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  It would take another 3 days.
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  And in the meantime, You know, my blood levels are so low.
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  I have to have 5 blood transfusions.
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  I have to have the fluid drained out of my lungs.
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  And, the surgeon, he's not even sure I can go through surgery because he says you look too.
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  He may see it, to even go through surgery.
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  But in the end, they decided to press 4 with it.
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  You know, they they prepped me for it, and they said, you know, when you come to after the
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  surgery, don't be alarmed to have a you're gonna have a tube down your throat.
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  You're gonna be in ICU.
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  Well, I went through all that and, came out you know, I mean, I was in a great deal of pain.
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  I was very weak, but, it was a very gradual process, but they told me that once they did
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  the pathology on the tumor that I had a very rare malignant form of ovarian cancer called
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  granules to cell tumor.
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  And it took me several months to rehabilitate.
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  I had physical therapists and occupational therapists working with me.
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  And, it was literally like having to relearn how to, you know, climb up and down the stairs.
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  They had straps around me, so I wouldn't fall.
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  And you know, I had to learn how to navigate outside on uneven ground.
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  And, and that's, you know, essentially the experience I went through And, go ahead.
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  What a story?
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  Like, you know, you kind of, you know, you hear these stories and and oftentimes, you'll hear
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  people talk about having to go right into chemotherapy and sounds like you something
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  within you, whether it's prayer or It's just something bigger allowed you to listen to to
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  wait for that report.
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  And, you know, what I'm fascinated with with you is, that you had the courage, first of all,
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  to take the alternative route, even though you were, probably, exposed to a traditional, like,
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  Chinese traditional nutrition.
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  So when you kind of think about, you know, I I often say that the, you know, the
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  physiological, the emotional, and psychological in the spiritual or or 1.
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  And when you kind of look at your path in life, what kind of signs or were there signs that you
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  think In retrospect, you know what Roxanne, I probably should have kind of heated this sort
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  of that.
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  You mentioned something 60 day 18 hour days.
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  Like, wow.
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  What what kind of other things, you know, were you doing that now now that you're so
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  graciously recovered.
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  And, I mean, when I saw you and met you 2 years ago, you know, you would not have known that
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  you were in any way ill.
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  What kind of other things do you reflect on, or have you written in the book that would help us
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  understand some of the things that you may have noticed earlier on?
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  I would say the most important thing I think is really to become aware.
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  What I learned is I wasn't aware of what I was feeling emotionally all these years in the air
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  force.
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  You know, I was train to accomplish the mission, to take care of the people, but I, in
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  the process of doing that, I lost track of what was going on within me.
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  And, you know, if I can backtrack a bit, you know, when I was younger growing up as a young
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  girl, I told my parents, you know, I think I wanna be a a gymnast, a ballerina, or a
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  pianist.
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  You know, they're all artist type professions.
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  And my parents, you know, they met very well, but they said to me, you can't make a living
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  like that.
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  You know, it's very hard to make a living as an artist.
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  And so you need to have something more solid and have music as you know, the art as as a
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  hobby.
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  And so that's what caused me to, you know, go to the Air Force Academy where I earned my
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  bachelor's in physics and That's what set me off on this Air Force career.
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  It's almost like I did the exact opposite because I thought, well, you know, if physics,
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  I'm interested in it, and it's it's solid.
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  You know?
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  And and that's what I did.
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  And, you know, I I think what I did was I I realized that, you know, and and and it's it's
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  kind of ironic in a way because when I got to the Air Force Academy, that's actually when I
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  started to realize how much I really loved music in particular in playing a piano.
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  At that time, I was I actually managed to study some piano with a a Russian instructor and, you
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  know, many of my classmates even asked me, why didn't you why didn't you become a concert
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  pianist And, I just didn't think, you know, because of what my parents told me, I didn't
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  think I have a choice.
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  And that's I think the theme that kinda ran through my life is not feeling like you have a
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  choice, you know, and so all these long hours I worked.
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  You know, in my mind, I told myself, well, you know, I this is I'm working in a profession
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  that is to, you know, protect our country There are lives at stake.
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  And so, you know, working long hours just kinda comes with territory, but you know, when you do
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  that, there's a cost that comes to it and and it's really your own health because, you know,
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  I work till the late hours of night and I would be exhausted.
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  And I just thought, well, this is how it's supposed to be.
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  I didn't know there was a choice so so, you know, I think probably, you know, the the thing
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  that I talk about my book is just really you know, realizing that it's your life and you
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  really do have choices in life, you know, as to what you do, what you don't do, And I really
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  think that what you do ought to bring you joy.
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  It ought to be something that you're passionate about.
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  And what I did, you know, I mean, I really did enjoy my time in the Air Force because it
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  afforded me the opportunity to meet some incredible, you know, very dedicated people and
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  I got to, you know, kinda move and live around the world, which is something I've always, you
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  know, wanted to do.
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  But at the same time, there was a whole other side of me that wasn't being expressed and that
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  was, you know, the creative artistic, Deanna.
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  So they they the adolescent didn't rebel.
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  You didn't stand up or or, you know, you know, we think of our typical adolescence, you know,
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  and they they rebel and, you know, they do certain things, but you you didn't, at that
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  point, you did what you thought was needed to make the, the people in your family happy.
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  So would you mind telling me a little bit more about that?
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  Yeah.
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  And so I I had a very deep seated desire to please my parents and to please my bosses.
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  And I think that's what kinda got me on that path.
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  I really think that people, I've I've been studying this for a while, but, you know,
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  people who have cancer or have been diagnosed with cancer.
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  You know, typically, they're people pleasers.
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  They put the needs of others before themselves.
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  And there's a whole part of their life that is not integrated into who they are.
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  And so I feel like I I certainly kind of, you know, met I meet that criteria.
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  I met it back then at least, where because I was trying to please people I I didn't think I
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  had a choice, but, you know, I started to realize that, when I was my first assignment in
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  the Air Force, It's interesting because I was working on my master's degree in physics and
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  about halfway through that degree I actually thought, you know, you know, there's no one.
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  I can't really talk to just the ordinary person about what I'm learning about.
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  You know, it's like, hilbert space and, you know, the m dimension of this and quantum
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  mechanics.
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  And so I thought, well, why am I doing this?
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  And after a while, I thought, you know, maybe I'm doing this to please my parents.
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  Maybe I'm doing this because it's what the air force expects of me.
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  So I thought, well, what would make me happy?
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  And I thought, use it.
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  And so I and what I did was I left the physics program and I enrolled in an associate's
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  program in piano performance, in music.
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  And I felt so incredibly fulfilled doing this You know, even though I was working full time
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  in the air force, I would get to my job at 6:30, you know, so I could leave in time to get
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  to my classes at night.
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  And I carried a full time, you know, student load as well, but it didn't feel like work to
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  me because I I really feel like that's something that I was passionate about.
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  You know, that brought me joy.
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  So so what I hear is that really, and as a psychotherapist, I always talk about parts of
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  self when I deal with people.
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  And what I hear is that that part of yourself, that that emotional, joyful part of yourself
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  that you truly knew was there, you kind of tucked away or you maybe minimized, the
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  importance of that beautiful gift.
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  Like, I mean, not only your your physicist, which is we know what that is.
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  You know, the thought of physics makes me cringe and to be able to go on and do a PhD in
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  Indiana, what what an accomplishment, but at the same time, to be able to have a passion
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  that you were you could work these 16:18 hour days and still find a bit of joy.
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  It's amazing, that you had the ability to do both.
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  But what you're saying is that it wasn't enough somewhere along the way based on some of the
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  other things that were happening in your life.
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  The length of days Did you have signs like, you know, were your thoughts kind of, you know,
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  with a little signs of thoughts saying, what are you doing, Deanna?
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  All my goodness.
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  What what kind of things were running through my because I often say, you know, that
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  physiologically, the body eventually gives us no choice, right, when, you know, we create a
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  disease of the body, which is disease, and then we have to acknowledge it.
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  But oftentimes, we might have some earlier science, psychological, emotional, or even
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  sometimes spiritual.
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  Did you kind of notice some of those things in retrospect, after the fact?
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  Yeah.
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  I did.
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  And what I realized is And I think it goes all the way back to my childhood even.
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  I always felt like a sense of inadequacy.
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  Like, I wasn't good enough And that stayed with me.
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  It did not matter how much I had accomplished in my career, you know, being a as being a
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  colonel.
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  It just somehow it just didn't really seem to sink in, to me, that I was okay and that I
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  didn't have to keep trying to achieve.
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  And, you know, I I really think I I must have derived my value from, you know, what I did.
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  And I didn't realize it until here I was laying in my deathbed in hospice and I couldn't do
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  anything.
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  And so then I had to come to terms with, well, you know, am I worth any less now because I
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  can't work and I can't accomplish things.
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  And my conclusion was that, no, I had inherent value as a human being, even though I'm right
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  now, I'm just too sick to do anything.
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  And so that was a big revelation to me.
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  And I I just think that, you know, had I paid more attention to you know, why why was I doing
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  all these things?
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  You know, you know, just this this need to achieve and to be excellent.
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  I I think I had a of perfectionism as well.
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  Everything had to be done perfectly.
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  And and I I now I I believe that the reason why I did that was because I didn't feel like I was
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  good enough on the inside.
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  Amazing that, you know, those thoughts as, you know, I call it the little to the little, bits
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  of chatter that kind of flows her a brain, and it's kind of there.
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  It's the backdrop sometimes of things, and we don't really stop to acknowledge it.
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  And then it could get louder and louder, but we drawn it out based on something that we may do.
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  Now for the average re person that's listening in, right, that maybe, you know, they're not as
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  far along.
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  They maybe work too much.
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  Maybe they don't work out as much.
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  Maybe they, you know, they eat okay, but they're tired all the time.
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  What are some of the tips that you would give to them?
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  Just about, you know, some things that they can do start managing kind of overall health from
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  what you've learned.
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  I know you did a ton of research.
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  You've lived the life.
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  You've done.
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  The juicing.
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  You've done a lot of the green, kind of homeopathic, remedies.
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  What kind of things would you say to people?
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  Are some basic things that they can start to do that might help them to replenish if they've
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  depleted their system.
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  I would say the first thing would be, and it doesn't, you know, it doesn't matter what kind
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  of diet you're on, but I would say to definitely add more plant based foods.
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  And if you can add you know, raw vegetables.
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  That's even better because raw foods are full of enzymes.
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  You know, these enzymes actually get destroyed when we cook foods in We're living beings, and
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  so we need to replenish ourselves with something that has the life force still in it.
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  And I would say, you know, to cut out sugar, that's probably one of the biggest culprit of,
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  I would say most of our chronic diseases and illnesses, sugar is very inflammatory and It
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  that's really the the first step in chronic diseases.
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  It's it starts with inflammation.
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  I would say to get enough rest It's really important to get to bed.
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  You know, I would say no later than 10 o'clock at night.
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  It might sound kind of early, but if you think about it, we are really the only species, I
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  think, on this planet that has we separated ourselves from nature, you know, all other
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  living beings, animals, plants, they're tied to the sunlight and circadian rhythm.
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  And because we have, you know, electricity lights, computers.
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  We've almost kind of separated ourselves from that, and so it's easy to just you know, stay
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  up all hours of the night working, but when you do that, you really disrupt the the the very
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  fine balances, you know, melatonin, you know, that you can sleep.
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  You know, they say that for, every hour that you sleep before midnight is actually
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  equivalent to 2 hours after midnight.
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  2 hours.
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  That's interesting.
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  Yes.
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  So these are really, really basic things that people can start doing.
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  I would I know we're we're gonna probably be out of time, which is so unfortunate.
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  I would love for you to come back and talk a little bit more about actual, a lot more to do
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  with the nutrition, exercise.
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  And I don't need, like, dramatic exercise, but just some things that people can do.
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  And some of maybe the psychological, even even emotional things that you've learned to
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  implement in your life because, obviously, you're you're a living legend for what you've
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  been able to, endure what your body, the state that your body was in, and, you know, it was
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  past the point of depletion, obviously.
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  And now you've kind of brought it up probably, you know, to a healthier state than you, you
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  know, most of us could ever, you know, hope to be at, you know, but I think even some some
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  basic steps that you could potentially share with us, that would be amazing if you could
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  come back because I'm sure people would be.
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  I know I'm intrigued.
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  I wanna know more about some of the things that you've done, that some of the things that I
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  might be able to implement in my day to day kind of life.
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  So, so, hopefully, you'll be able to potentially come back again and share that with
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  us.
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  So with yourself, what's one One statement or message that you give the viewers, just about,
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  when they get scared about, you know, cancer, what what would you tell them?
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  I would say to develop a strong faith because faith is what will allow you to keep your hope
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  alive, even when nobody else around you believes you know, that it's possible.
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  You know, the doctors may not even believe it, but, that's where I think faith is really
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  important because if someone is dealing with a lot of fear.
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  It's going to negatively impact their entire body because there's just all these biochemical
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  changes that take place based on how we feel.
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  And so, for me, that was probably the biggest thing, and I would really encourage people you
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  know, to never lose hope.
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  And the way you do that is really by developing a strong faith because faith allows you to
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  continue to believe even where your rational mind can't really fully comprehend it, and
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  there's no reason to
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  Wow.
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  That's amazing.
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  So, you know, like, when they all say love, not fear, it's already to believe in something
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  bigger.
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  So where can people get a hold of you if they're wanting to know more if they'd like to
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  potentially coach with you or if you've got some programs, where where could they what's
• 28:29
  your website and that they could go to and and connect with you?
• 28:33
  Yeah.
• 28:33
  They can go to my website.
• 28:34
  It's, deannaone.com.
• 28:37
  That's deannawn dotcom, and they can sign up there for a complimentary consultation with me.
• 28:47
  And they if they sign for my email list.
• 28:49
  They can also get, a sugar cleanse sheet from me.
• 28:53
  Well, thank you so much for being here today.
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  When is the book gonna be released?
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  And I would love to to have you on again, even just before the release, so that people can
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  will it be available, like, on Amazon and all the different distributors
• 29:07
  Right.
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  Right.
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  The book should be released within the next year.
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  So it will be sometime next year.
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  Hopefully be, you know, before September next year or by September to very latest.
• 29:21
  Fantastic.
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  So, minimally, they can reach out and I would love to have you come back and, us talk a
• 29:26
  little bit more about biochemical.
• 29:29
  And because I wanna talk, I, you know, a lot about hypo hyperarousal, fear fight, the fear
• 29:35
  states, and physiologically, whether that does, and also, you know, some of the PTSD or PTS
• 29:45
  that you would have been exposed to,
• 29:47
  the
• 29:47
  environment that you were in, that would be a, I think, a fascinating follow-up.
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  So I hope that you come back.
• 29:52
  Thank you so much, and, hope to connect soon.
• 29:56
  Oh, thank you so much for inviting me to be here, Roxanne.
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  It's been a pleasure.
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  Thank you.
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  We'll talk soon.
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  Okay.
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  Talk soon.
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  Okay.
• 30:02
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