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With Full Intent: Israel's Brutal Attack on the USS Liberty · UK Column Radio

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And welcome to a very special UK column interview.
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And it is now June of 2025. And this month is very, very
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important in the sense that 58 years ago, on June 8th, 1967,
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the USS Liberty, a very, very sophisticated ship, was in
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international waters. And what seemed to be a very
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quiet afternoon right around 2:00 PM local time, was rudely
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interrupted, to say the least, by what turned out to be Israeli
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Defence Forces. And what ensued is to this day,
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one of the biggest, if not the biggest cover ups in U.S.
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military and naval history. Today, my guest is a survivor of
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that Israeli attack, unprovoked attack on the USS Liberty.
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Mr Phil Turney, there aren't a whole lot of survivors left.
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They just held their 58th reunion in Norfolk, VA.
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And I want to welcome you to the show, Phil, to explain this
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ongoing cover up and what happened on that fateful day.
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And I know you just had a recent reunion of the survivors.
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A brave bunch to say the least. Again, welcome to the show and
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let's delve into this and sort this out.
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OK, Sounds good, Mark. Thank you very much.
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It's very nice to be here with you.
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I appreciate it, especially on behalf of the crew still alive
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on June the I think it was a fourth.
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We always made a trip to Africa. We went up and down the coast of
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Africa picking up signals. It was very legal, everybody did
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it and we got emergency orders when we got to Abidjan to get to
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Rhoda, Spain ASAP. We got to Rhoda, picked up 3
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Marines, linguists, Arabic, Russian and I'll be Hebrew.
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I'm not sure. I wasn't in that part of the
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ship, I was in ship's company. But then we picked up a NSACIA
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type type guy, Alan Blue, and we were on our way to to the Sinai.
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We got to the Sinai on the 7th day of June.
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The Israeli aircraft would overflow us over and over again.
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You can see the Star Davids on their Recon planes flying
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Boxcar, DC3 and smaller propeller aircraft.
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They would tip their wings and we'd wave with them.
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They'd wave with us and this was repeated on the 8th of June
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early in the morning. They did that till about noon
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and we we thought everything was fine because we didn't get a
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destroyer escort like we were promised.
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We didn't get that. They wouldn't give us one.
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In fact, we asked twice, not me personally, but the captain and
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Commander Lewis asked for destroyer escort because we were
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in the area of a war zone 4.5 miles off the coast of Sinai.
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At 2:00 the attack began with unmarked steer Mirage jets.
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There were over 30 sorties flown over our ship, rockets, cannons,
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napalm, machine gun, bullets. We got a message out, I might
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add. Every antenna on that ship was
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taken out except one because it wasn't tuning.
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So they're using he's seeking missiles because they, the
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tuners would put off a wave and they would pick it up and hit
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it. So every antenna on that ship
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was destroyed within 3 seconds as well as well as every
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watertight door and every fire hose of deck was destroyed in
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the first few minutes. Terry Haldebartier got a message
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out to the Six Fleet. In fact, it went as far as
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Vietnam, around the world. Rockstar, Rockstar under attack
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by unknown jet, jet aircraft Rockstar.
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We thought it was the we thought it was the Arabs.
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I mean, the RSA Israeli friends wouldn't do it.
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Surely they wouldn't do it. So we felt comfortable.
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You know, it had to be the Arabs.
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It couldn't be the Israelis. And that that message went out
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about 12 minutes after the attack started.
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Rescue aircraft was sent from USS Saratoga by Captain Holly
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and they were immediately recalled even before they hit
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the horizon by McNamara secondary defence.
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So they weren't going to send help to us, but they tried again
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from the Saratoga to the America they both both launched.
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Those aircraft were recalled again, this time by LBJ.
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Because I don't give a GD a few dead sailors, I will not
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embarrass my ally. If we didn't know who was
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attacking us, how did he? Yeah, let let me interject there
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briefly just to dramatise some of those points.
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So you have the Israeli Air Force, Israeli reconnaissance
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planes prior to the attack flying over you.
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They knew who you were. You were clearly flying the
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American flag. It's during the Six Day War.
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You're, you're in international waters.
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You had to assume you had no reason to believe otherwise,
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that when this awful attack began, which ended up killing 34
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sailors and injuring 174, you had no reason to doubt that it
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that it was. In other words, you had every
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reason to believe that it wasn't the Israelis, that it had to be
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the Arabs. And yet, like you say, you try
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to call in for help. The powers that be, the upper
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brass, even the President himself, LBJ knew who it was.
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So at what point in this awful attack and you can be as graphic
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as you feel you need to be, at what point did you realise that
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this was indeed the Israeli Defence Forces?
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Yes, it the air attack lasted about 25 or 30 minutes and they
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were gone. As I said before.
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I mean our ship was burning up with napalm, rockets and
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cannons, fires everywhere. It was a very dire situation.
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And then all of a sudden we see Israeli torpedo boats.
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We were thought they they were there to help us, but no they
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weren't. They were there to sink us.
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They fired 5 torpedoes at us. 2 went out that I know of, or the
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other two I don't know, but I know where one when it hit right
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in the Starbucks side blowing to bits. 25 American spies, young
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men doing their duty for their country and Israel just ordered
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25 of them then. And that was that was a bad
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deal. I mean, that torpedo picked our
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ship up completely up out of the water, slammed back down on the
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on the ocean. We thought we were going to roll
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over and sink, but just stop by the hand of God.
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He was holding us up and just stop.
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But that didn't stop the Israeli torpedo gunman.
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They now this attack went on for an hour and a half.
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The torpedo boats over and over again that circle our ship,
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circle our ship, shooting and maiming and killing as many
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people as they could. And there was a lot of them.
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There was a lot of people very badly wounded, some so badly
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wounded you can hardly look at them that we're on the weather
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decks. The oh, probably about.
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Well, this attack lasted another hour and a half.
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The whole attack lasted 2 hours. You can believe that.
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But we only had three life rafts left.
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They shot them all up or burned them up with the napalm when
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they had three left. We were going to put our most
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seriously wounded in them. The Israeli torpedo gunmen would
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have none of that. And they shot two of our life
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rafts out of the water, took one aboard the boat.
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Is the trophy of the kill somewhere in it?
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Israel right now, it's hanging up.
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It's a trophy of the killed, murdering 34 American sailors,
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nine were initially killed and then the other 25, of course,
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with the torpedo explosion. And we didn't get any help from
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our government for 16 to 17 hours.
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They left us out there alone. They didn't even send a a Piper
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Cub out there to see if we were OK.
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They didn't care. They were hoping we'd sink.
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We were hoping he'd sink and all die, but we didn't.
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I mean, those are war crimes. This is act of war and war
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crimes. Our flag was always flying.
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We had two flags shot down to brand new 5 by 8 flags and then
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they put up the holiday colours. Francis Brown and Joe Meadors
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put up the holiday colours, risking their lives to do that 7
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by 13 flag. You can see it for miles and
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miles and miles. They said that there was no
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identification on the ship and they didn't know who we were.
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They thought we were an enemy ship, that they thought it was
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the El Quasir, which was half sung.
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And Alexandria. There's no horse transport now.
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Liberty was a converted World War 2 cargo ship.
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It costs millions of dollars to revert that ship.
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You know, the spy stuff on there and everything and, and, but
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they tried to destroy us all. Like I say, our own government
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didn't come to help us till the next day.
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Doc Kiefer was operating all night.
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I helped him on one operation. Gary Blanchard, he was hit and
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he was hit really bad. I was holding the lanyard for
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the docks so he could see him. Gary said, hey, would you rub my
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feet, Take my socks off? My feet are hot.
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And I did. I went off to his left side.
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He says you think I'm going to die?
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Yeah, I said I I think you are, man.
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I'm sorry. I think you are.
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And Doc got him open and he was dead.
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We put him over to the side. I put a couple stitches in him,
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put him over to the side and that went on all night.
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Same thing all night. A.
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Horrific experience. Now the Israeli forces, to this
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day, the Israeli government that overseas those forces still
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claims despite all you, just all that you described and I've
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heard you speak before at conferences over the last 10-15
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years, they still claim it was a case of mistaken identity.
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But I also know there exists some cockpit audio where one of
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the pilots is saying, hey, this is an American ship, one of the
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Israeli pilots. Setting that aside for a moment,
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it's incredible to me, given what you described, that they
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can still try and claim that this was a case of mistaken
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identity when we both know better, as do your fellow
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survivors. And that, evidently, and correct
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me if I'm wrong, they wanted to sink the liberty and blame it on
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the Arab forces during that six day war in the Mediterranean.
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That was the evident goal, correct?
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Yes, that was that was the goal Mark.
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And you know we were we were probably set up a year in
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advance, a year in advance have this happen.
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It was all pre planned. They wanted to sink our ship,
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blame it on the Arabs and get us into nuclear war.
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We had sacked aircraft on the way to come bomb Cairo.
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Even before we were attacked, the aircraft were in the air.
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Aircraft were in the air even before we got attacked.
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So Lyndon Johnson, Leviasco, the premier of Prime Minister of
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Israel, and a handful of others in both governments did this.
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And to get us into World War Three, that was the whole plan.
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They wanted all of it. They wanted all the land.
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What's going on now in Gaza wouldn't be happening right now
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if our ship would have something to take it all.
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Then with the help of the United States said you got it all.
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Oh, we got all the wind wounded off, most seriously wounded.
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We were in the skeleton crew. We were two days out to sea,
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headed to Malta to get the ship repaired.
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Was a 40 by 40 foot hole in it. I mean, so many rocket holes and
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things was over 821 rocket holes, cannon holes, over 5000
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army armour piercing bullets in our ship, napalm burning us up
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and nobody come to help us. Two days out to sea after we got
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all the wounded off, Admiral Isaac Kidd and his Jag officer,
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Captain War Boston came aboard. He got us a small groups
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interrogated us. Yeah, see.
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Took his stars off Mark threw him on the stainless steel
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table. So I'm just like you, Dad.
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I want you to, I want you to tell me exactly what what
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happened, what you saw and everything we did.
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I asked him, you know, how come? How come he didn't come help us?
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How we didn't get any help. They shot a live craft.
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So Flag was flying. It was unmerciful what they did
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to us. Unmerciful.
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The torpedo boats finally took off.
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And then here comes the helicopters with two pair of him
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people in it aren't Marines to finish this off, scuttle down,
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you know, use a rope or a ladder to get down our ship, kill us
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all. And then they just left.
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I don't know why they left, but they did.
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By the grace of God, I hope for the gig was up.
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They already admitted, hey, we did it.
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We're sorry, dot dot, dot, whatever, but mistaken identity
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Admiral kid interrogators. As I said before, he says I'm
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going to tell you guys something right now.
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Don't you ever repeat a word you just told me to anybody, your
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parents, your family, even your shit mates.
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Do not talk about it. If you do the penalties it will
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be prison or worse, he says. You know what worse means?
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Of course we know what worse means.
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It means death. They're going to kill us when we
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said anything. I didn't say anything for 18
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years until I got I read an article by Master Chief Stan
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White. Then I I got active and I
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haven't shut up since in the last 42 years.
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Let me ask a really important question there for clarity.
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If I'm hearing you correct, and please correct me if I'm wrong,
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what they did to you, so heinous, so as you say,
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unmerciful, merciless. It sounds to me like that
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because they did it as bad as it was, a much larger war did not
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happen. Am I hearing that correctly that
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those bombers that were already intent on bombing the Arabs,
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those bombers did not actually carry out those missions?
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So in other words, this this actually shortened or lessened
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the destruction of that war, Is that correct?
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Yes, it actually would have. Did market prevented war?
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Our ship not sinking for prevented World War three
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because that was the whole plan Sink is blaming on the Arabs.
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And back in America people would have heard well the the
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Egyptians, the Arabs went after our spy ship, most sophisticated
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spy ship in the world. They killed 294 men.
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So what do you think they would be saying in America?
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Go get them. They'd want oceans of blood out
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of the Arabs and they would have got oceans of blood because
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that's exactly what we were going there for us.
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It gets set up and sink. Our own government from LBJ to
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Donald J Trump has not lifted a finger to get the truth out.
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So the powers of B in Washington, DC get on their
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knees to a pack ADL for power and money and greed.
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Or they've been blackmailed. Who knows you?
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The Mossad works in very mysterious ways.
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A way of deception is their motto.
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And they almost got by with but but the good Lord saved us, kept
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us afloat. That's why I'm here right now.
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So those those bombers were already in the air before the
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attack on the Liberty. Those bombers that would have
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enlarged the conflict evidently to World War Three or close to
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that scale, they were already in the air when the Liberty was
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attacked. So they could not, they would
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have been lying had they said the Liberty was attacked by Arab
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forces and now the US is going to go make a parking lot out of
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Egypt. So that was the grand deception
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is those planes were already in the air and yet they would have
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told this cockamamie story had they sunk the Liberty.
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That was a plan. That was the plan, but we didn't
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sink. By the grace of God, I've said
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this over and over all my life. For what?
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For Jesus Christ. I wouldn't be here right now.
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Nobody else came to help us but the good Lord.
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The, the liberty literally acted as sort of a firewall in, in
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such a terrible, unforgivable way.
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And yet it, it's sort of ended up being sort of a sacrifice,
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although not intended to be to prevent a larger war.
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And you guys have stood your ground and told the truth no
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matter what, like a pillar of iron, you won't bend to the
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winds of expediency. You won't bend to the winds of
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Israeli and greater US mass media cartel, world media cartel
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propaganda. And as you say, all this, all
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these presidents, Democrat and Republican alike, just will not
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offend our so called greatest ally in the Middle East, the
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only democracy which it isn't by the way, in the Middle East,
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even though they have such a clear cut reason to say at least
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this one time to make that exception to say to Israel,
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look, we've had your back for this.
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We've had your back for that. But you really went over the
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line here and we cannot condone this.
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And then there's got to be consequences like let's say
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cutting foreign aid in. In other words, the liberty
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provides that clear cut exception to the rule where
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Israel ought to be called out. And who would blame the US?
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Who, who would blame the US government for at least calling
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Israel out on this heinous act? Even if they forgave all their
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other perfidies and all their other corruptions, etcetera,
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etcetera, etcetera, aggression. It's just this would be such a
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no brainer to call the Israeli state out and the US would have
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no no problem justifying it. And yet they still won't do it
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even to this day. That's what really floors me.
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They won't do it. They're bought and paid for by
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APAC. Thomas Massey said here a month
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or so ago, maybe a couple months, that all the Republican
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members have a AIPAC handler except him.
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And you can just assume so do the Democrats.
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So they get their marching orders from Israel, not from the
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president of the United States, and they abide by it.
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They they let they got by with cold blooded murder of American
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sailors on the high seas when we didn't have a chance to fight
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back or anything. But with our will and our wits
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and wanting to live, it's all we had.
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But we defeated the mighty IDF and didn't fire a shot.
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This 2 hour bloodbath and it seemed like every second was an
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hour it was so bad. Yes, in Virginia at the recent
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reunion, describe just some of the highlights.
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I know that there was a four part or multi part kind of mini
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documentary made about the Liberty.
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I believe Rick Wiles of True News has something to do with
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that. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Did you watch some sort of retrospective or commemorative
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documentary or video about the the Liberty?
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Briefly, what did you do at the recent reunion the 6th through
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the 9th of June in Norfolk, VA? The 58th reunion of Liberty
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survivors and their friends. What What were some of the
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highlights? One of the main highlights was
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we had to spend, the LVA Liberty Veterans Association had to
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spend $15,000 on Norfolk Police Department for security because
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we were getting death threats, death threats.
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They didn't want us holding a reunion or talking about it.
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That was a huge highlight. It was a massive highlight and
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we were there to remember our brothers who died, that they
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didn't have a chance at life. We're there to remember them and
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honour them. That's our only reason for
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getting together is to be with each other and honour the men
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that were severely wounded and wounded that day and were
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killed, murdered by the Zionist state of Israel.
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But you know, it's just we did not.
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Everybody's seen sacrifice and liberty.
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It's on Rumble, it's go to Rumble and search Sacrifice and
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liberty and you see the whole 4 hour documentary and Rick Wiles
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did a wonderful job on that documentary.
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A wonderful, wonderful job. If you haven't seen it go to
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rumble, download rumble. If you don't have it, you can
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watch sacrifice and liberty there.
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But on the 7th of June, we had the ceremony and at the VFW at
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48 O 9 and there were 18 survivors there.
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As we always do. We what 34 roses?
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If we're in Arlington, we'd put them on the grave.
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This time we put them on the monument, which is, by the way,
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a beautiful, beautiful monument. This gorgeous.
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It's made out of the same marble that all the statue, all the
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monuments are in Washington, DC, same, same quarry.
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And I will get you those beautiful pictures.
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But yeah, we just, we, we come there in peace and we left in
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peace. Thank God for the police.
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They, there wasn't any protest because they got prior word.
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The rabbi's and and, and Norfolk were on TV didn't want us there,
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you know, or some of the speakers.
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And we didn't have those speakers.
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The hotel and the VFW wouldn't allow our speakers because they
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were too controversial and telling the truth.
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So they weren't allowed to speak.
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We had two men speak for us for about a little over an hour,
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Matt Wallach and and Scotty Sievers.
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Which way? My friend Matt, he's in the
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hospital right now. He collapsed last Sunday and I
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didn't know about it till yesterday.
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So he's in the hospital to get Mris and stuff.
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But it was a joyous time. Except for that, as far as I
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know, everybody got home safely. But our goal is to make sure
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that the government knows we're not going away.
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Nobody should be allowed to get by with cold blood murder,
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premeditated murder of American sailors and Marines on the high
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seas and get by with it, especially our government to set
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us up. That's the whole problem, Mark.
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You know, they they're not going to rat themselves out that LBJ
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and McCain McNamara and the rest of those clowns covered up.
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And also Isaac Kidd, the flag Admiral and Ward Boston.
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You know, he said that this was hard to take at the end of his
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life and he read a book called the this something the Liberty
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incident by AG 8 Crystal. He came out and said, listen,
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yeah, Admiral and I both know it was a it was not a mistake, an
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identity. It was a pre planned murderous
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attack, but Johnson ordered both of them to find it was a, a
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mistaken identity within seven days.
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Within seven days, they they said it was a mistaken identity
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and the case was closed. And that's what they go by right
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now. In fact, they even say that it's
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been investigated by Congress over and over.
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They're liars. It never has been investigated.
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All them are liars. You know, they're beholden to
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design A state that's just a fact.
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It proves it every day. Proves it every day for the last
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58 years, Israel got billions of dollars for murdering Americans
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on the high sea seas and they're still getting billions of
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dollars. They paid $6 million for $40
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million ship, $40 million ship. I don't even think Israel paid
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it. I think their government did.
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Our government did. No, that's you way the things
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work in Washington. You told the liner you don't get
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elected. And Israel is a sacred cow of
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all those crooks up there in Washington, all of our crooks,
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they don't care about anything else but themselves.
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You can comment on this briefly. This is just a brief segue.
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Many of us recall the late, great, very ballsy, populist old
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time Democrat from Ohio, Representative Jim Traficant.
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And Jim Traficant was probably the only or part of a very tiny
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minority on Capitol Hill that was willing to look Israel and
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the mass media cartel in the eye and say the liberty was attacked
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on purpose by the Israeli state. And as many of us know, prior to
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O 9 in the early 2000s, Jim Traficant from eastern Ohio
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working class guy used to be a sheriff.
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He would never carry out orders to foreclose on people's homes
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and knock them out of their homes.
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Every judge that asked him to do that when he was a sheriff, he
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wouldn't do it. Jim had principal, major
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principal, way too many principles for Capitol Hill.
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His own congressman tied him to a horse, strapped him to a
27:37
horse, metaphorically speaking, and shot the gun straight up in
27:40
the air and keel hauled him and knocked him out.
27:44
Not only kicked him out of Congress, but put him in prison
27:46
for seven years. And they said it was for
27:50
corruption. I mean, how laughable can it be
27:55
when other congressmen persecute one of their own for corruption,
27:59
When corruption permeates the entire institution?
28:04
Would the first congressman without corruption cast the
28:07
first stone? Right.
28:09
And so you see what happened to Trafficant.
28:13
And I know what happened. I knew Jim Trafficant and I
28:18
would help him with columns that he wrote for American Free Press
28:22
when I was a full timer there. And Jim, I believe more for
28:28
there's different reasons he was sent up the river, but I think
28:31
one of the main ones is he would not kowtow to the Israeli state
28:34
no matter what. And that very definitely
28:37
included the liberty. So that's just illustrative of
28:41
what happened to those very few brave souls that dared to speak
28:46
out. Seven years in prison for
28:48
trafficking. And you probably met Jim.
28:51
If you had, you hadn't met him. You can correct me, but I
28:54
believe you met him, right? I know you knew of him in his,
28:57
in his actions. I knew Jim Jim very well.
29:02
I talked to him on the phone. He was in his office.
29:05
That was the day he brought up the USS Liberty on the House
29:08
floor. And I might add that Pete
29:12
McCluskey of California and you said Dare to Speak Out.
29:16
Of course Paul Finley wrote a book about that Dare to Speak
29:19
Out. And also Cynthia McKinney
29:21
brought it up. They all got run out of
29:23
Congress. They got, they never got
29:25
reelected because the AIPAC didn't want him there for the
29:28
simple reason they wanted the truth out about the USS Liberty.
29:32
You know when they put when they put Jim in gaol, then he gets
29:38
out and then soon after that they said he was in a tractor
29:41
accident. A tractor fell over on him.
29:43
Now he's a he was AI guess you'd call him a good old boy, a good
29:47
tough man and he knew what he was doing on a tractor.
29:51
So I don't know really what happened to him, but it seems
29:53
awful suspicious to me. They put him in gaol and then
29:56
they kill him. So it all fits in in one simple
30:03
circle. Do not cross that line.
30:06
Do not cross that big red line and to APAC or the ADL or any of
30:13
their surrogates or you will no longer serve in Congress.
30:17
They'll, they'll get all the money they can.
30:19
They'll, they'll get somebody else to run against you and
30:22
they'll beat you. That's what happened to Paul
30:26
Finley and also Cynthia McKinney and Pete McCluskey.
30:30
Those are the only congressmen that are going to help us.
30:33
In fact, Lauren Bobert, I'm sure you heard of her.
30:38
She was my congressman here in the third district of Colorado.
30:42
I got a hold of her aid. I sent letters and letters and I
30:45
finally called. They never wrote me back.
30:47
They never did anything certified mail.
30:50
I got one, even refused to pick up.
30:52
I got it right here somewhere. But I got it.
30:56
And I talked to her aid and she says Congressman Bobert will
31:02
never, ever, ever help you, Phil, Never, ever, ever.
31:07
She's not going to go against Israel or I guess you would call
31:11
it her Master because they're all controlled by their master
31:15
in Israel. They're all up strings.
31:17
They say you know where to squat.
31:19
They said we're out and they squat.
31:22
So that's our government for you.
31:24
And I hate to say it, but our government is being overtaken.
31:28
It is overtaken by a foreign government.
31:31
They sold us out our own Congress way back 1948 and
31:37
beyond, sold us out to design A state for money and profit gain
31:44
and whatever else they get into prostitution or whatever.
31:49
Who knows what these people have done to our country, but we are
31:54
no no longer controlled by anybody.
31:56
But design A state and I'll go to my grave believe in that.
32:00
Yes, for point of clarity, AIPAC, of course, is the
32:04
American Israel Public Political Action Committee.
32:08
American Israel Political Action Committee, AIPAC.
32:10
They have a big powwow every year right in Washington, DC
32:14
I've covered it as a reporter on the outside of the event.
32:18
I could never get press credentials to go in.
32:20
They would always turn me down, and it became futile to even
32:26
attempt that. I didn't attempt it very much
32:29
because I could sense that it just wasn't going to happen.
32:33
But that is well known in very hushed tones.
32:36
I've been to Capitol Hill many times.
32:38
I've spent a lot of time covering Congress in person.
32:41
I've talked to other reporters on the side quietly in very
32:45
hushed tones. It's, it's very well known
32:47
across the board that thou shalt not speak I'll of AIPAC or the
32:52
state of Israel. And of course people always make
32:55
that grave tremendous error that if you disagree with the
32:59
government of Israel, the Israeli state, that that somehow
33:02
means you hate Jewish people, which is completely disconnected
33:06
and has no bearing in reality whatsoever.
33:10
But they, of course, they conflate it that way to make it
33:13
look like you don't just agree, disagree with the Israeli state.
33:16
You have a problem with the Jewish people and their plight
33:20
in general. And they go out and out and,
33:22
and, you know, they expand that as far as they can and create
33:25
this sort of dark cloud, like you say, that's hanging over our
33:29
government and preventing it from acting independently.
33:32
It's amazing to me that we can't even objectively say while due
33:36
to the Israeli states behaviour due to these rules, their
33:40
foreign aid has to be cut by let's say 30% as would apply to
33:45
any other government in the world receiving US foreign aid.
33:49
They can't just join the family of nations, the Israeli state
33:54
and put on their big boy pants and act like adults and go by
33:58
the same rules that any other foreign aid recipient would go
34:01
by. As if that's asking too much.
34:06
So they, they don't want their behaviour in any way connected
34:09
to the foreign aid policy from the US to Israel.
34:14
Whereas any other country, any other one receiving foreign aid
34:18
is going to have to toe the line and go by the rules.
34:22
And that that's what's truly amazing is, is they want this
34:27
permanent special status where they don't have to answer to
34:31
anyone about anything. Nothing's ever their fault, and
34:36
it is a corruption that is sustaining the injustices of
34:42
what went on with the liberty. But I do think it's very
34:45
fragile. You did a interview with Candace
34:49
Owen that got a lot of play. I do believe we're coming to a
34:52
point in time where we're beginning to see that your
34:57
principles filled, that you're standing on and that of your
35:00
survivors is beginning to erode the trust that Americans
35:07
typically feel they should have toward the state of Israel.
35:11
There was a recent poll by the Chicago Council on Global
35:14
Affairs where it was very clear, and this is a more or less pro
35:19
Israel globalist outfit based in Chicago.
35:21
It's it's the Chicago version of the Council on Foreign
35:24
Relations. And the poll they took showed,
35:28
compared to the recent polls that ask very similar questions,
35:31
it is showing a steady decline in the support of and the trust
35:37
of Israel. In other words, more and more
35:40
Americans feel that Israel should get less foreign aid,
35:44
should should have to be held better accountable for their
35:49
actions, that they're, that they're not innocent in the Gaza
35:53
affair that's going on right now, that the, the, the
35:56
Palestinians are really on the receiving end of the injustices.
36:00
And more and more Americans, according to this poll, are
36:02
realising this. So I do sense, as bad as things
36:06
sound, that we're reaching however slowly.
36:09
Maybe it maybe we'd like it to go faster, but I think we're
36:11
reaching a turning point. Well, what are your thoughts on
36:14
that? Yeah, you're absolutely right.
36:18
People can see it up close and personal on their on their
36:22
phones or their computers. The devastation, the
36:27
destruction, the starvation and the bombing and the burning for
36:33
anybody that's got half a heart can't support that.
36:40
You just can't support that. And it's going on day after day
36:43
after day. Now as far as the liberty crew,
36:49
we didn't fire a shot, we didn't kill anybody.
36:53
But we're called anti Semitic Jew haters, Nazis, anti Semitic
36:57
pigs for surviving. I'm not the whole Jewish
37:03
country. The old people there didn't
37:05
attack us. It was the government.
37:08
The government of this country are still covering it up.
37:12
And they got more power now than they ever did for murdering
37:15
Americans on the high seas to get more access to the present.
37:20
I mean, the fact that Jewish Congress was just in Rome
37:24
talking to the new Pope, I don't know if you read that or not,
37:28
Mark. I'm sure you have because you've
37:29
already learned it about this. But power goes all over and I
37:32
might want to mention Mark, if if that if that war would have
37:36
started if we say there was a Russian submarine that earth
37:41
ready to bomb the Temple Mount because they need something to
37:44
reflect deep to hit it off Israel note would no longer
37:49
exist. That would have been it because
37:51
the Russians were there. We had two Subs there, the
37:54
Amberjack and the Jackson, and we understand that one of them
37:58
was filming the whole attack and they did nothing to help us.
38:01
So that's the power. That's the power of a handful of
38:05
people in government, which is spread down completely through
38:08
every, every corner of our government, through the
38:12
finances, through the munitions of giving them to Israel, the
38:17
aeroplanes of what they can't steal.
38:21
Jonathan Pollard was one of the worst spies in the world against
38:26
the United States of America. He he was treated like a, a, a
38:30
king when he got back plenty of money, nice place to live.
38:33
And he he's doing very well for giving secrets away the United
38:38
States and they're still doing you know, there's spies all over
38:40
this government stealing secrets and sent them to the Israel,
38:43
just like JFK. He didn't want to Demona.
38:48
He didn't want them to have a nuke.
38:50
You know, he didn't want APAC to be a a special interest group.
38:54
He wanted them to list as a foreign agent.
38:57
Guess what happened to Kennedy November 1963.
39:02
He's killed, massacred. And that that was not that was
39:06
no, the Harvey Oswald. He was just a Patsy.
39:10
Like everybody said he wasn't. He was a Patsy and they're
39:13
covering that up. They said the Epstein files that
39:16
would come out all that hadn't coming out JFK that didn't come
39:20
out Martin Luther King that hasn't come out junior.
39:23
So where's the transparency We've we've tried to write Trump
39:28
and every other president from Reagan.
39:30
I was wrote a lot of letters to Reagan.
39:32
I finally put an ad in Washington paper cost of seventy
39:37
$7500. It didn't cost me that it cost
39:39
Matthew Ballack that he paid for it.
39:42
I don't know if you ever met Matt, but he's a good guy.
39:45
He is passed on now, but you know, it's a big full paid edge.
39:50
I said, President Reagan, we still can't hear you.
39:53
We can't hear you. Never got a word back.
39:55
The only thing I ever got back was from Bill Clinton.
39:59
It says thank you for contacting my office.
40:02
You know, we, we want veterans to reach out to us and tell them
40:06
what they want in the in the letter.
40:08
I said Bill Clinton. It was a very detailed long
40:11
letter of what, why for and how come you're still covering up
40:16
And that's the type of letter you get.
40:17
You get something to. Smoothie over.
40:20
And this should not go down in history as a mistake in
40:23
identity. It was an act of war and war
40:26
crimes we put out, we put it in a war crime letter to the army
40:31
where it goes in 2005 and they won't even look at it,
40:33
regardless if they said it was, if it was on purpose or mistake
40:38
or whatever, they committed war crimes and they won't even look
40:42
into that. So that tells you how deep our
40:45
government is into the hip pocket of the Zionist state.
40:48
And you being a a fine reporter as you are, Mark, you understand
40:53
the inside probably a lot better than most people.
40:56
You know what you were saying about JFK there is worth a
40:59
little more emphasis. He wanted them as best as we can
41:03
understand it to. That is them being AIPAC, which
41:08
had a different name back then. It wasn't called the American
41:11
Israel Political Action Committee.
41:12
It had a different name, but he wanted that entity to be a
41:17
registered, not an unregistered foreign agent.
41:20
And they wouldn't register. And to this day, that
41:23
registration has never taken place.
41:26
And it looks like, hopefully I'm wrong, but it looks like JFK was
41:30
the last person that long ago to insist on that registration
41:35
taking place, but it never has. To this day, it's like he's the
41:40
only one that was serious about registering the precursor, the
41:46
predecessor organisation to AIPAC.
41:49
Yes, yes, we call it IPAC. There's never an American
41:54
interest in it. So IPAC, Israeli Public Affairs
41:58
Committee, it's not AIPAC, it's not meant for American Israel.
42:02
It's meant, it's meant for Israel, period.
42:05
And whatever Israel wants, they get back.
42:08
I don't know if you remember Thomas Moore and Thomas Moore is
42:11
a good friend of mine and he told me, I believe it was the
42:15
Yom Kippur War. He was still chairman of the
42:17
joints Joint Chiefs then. I mean, sure, I could have been
42:21
a different war if they've had so many, but an Israeli
42:25
ambassador come up to Thomas Moore, 4 star American hero,
42:32
chairman of the Joint Chiefs and said I want this, this and this
42:36
and this. And he said, I can't not do that
42:39
without an act of Congress. He told Admiral Moore, he says,
42:43
don't you worry about Congress, I'll take care of Congress.
42:46
Start loading that stuff now. And that's what they did.
42:51
They got everything they wanted. So here you got Chief, the chief
42:55
of Joint Chiefs, Chief, the ambassador of Israel telling him
43:02
what he can and cannot do. That is absurd.
43:05
It's filthy, it's disgusting. And Admiral Moore is one of our
43:08
biggest supporters. He always has been.
43:11
In fact, the Moore report, it's on our site, Liberty,
43:15
veterans.org, libertyveterans.org.
43:17
You can go there, look at pictures, look at the Boston
43:22
report where he said this is no mistaken identity.
43:26
He recanted it. And we we said we were forced to
43:29
say that by the United States government.
43:32
Or look at the I wonder what kind of pressure they put on
43:35
those men. You never I know what kind of
43:38
pressure they put on an OE for sailor like me.
43:40
So what'd they do to these people?
43:42
There's no telling same thing with the captain.
43:46
He had immense pressure, immense pressure put on him at the end
43:53
of his life. Even before that, he had cancer
43:57
and he he was more active and he, he wanted, he said before
44:02
John Bollard's release, do not released John Pollard, not
44:07
unless you tell the American public the truth about the USS
44:11
Liberty. You're referring to Admiral
44:14
Thomas Moorer, and I believe it was MOORER Moorer, right?
44:20
Yes. I want to emphasise that, ladies
44:22
and gentlemen, viewing this. This is the Joint Chiefs
44:25
chairman who's now the late Thomas Moorer, right?
44:28
I believe he passed away. Yeah.
44:32
Here, here you have the Joint Chiefs chairman when he was
44:34
alive, who was in full recognition of what happened to
44:40
the Liberty. And I believe at the time he did
44:44
speak out about it. He certainly stood his ground.
44:46
He certainly knew what happened and he would not bend to the
44:50
winds of expediency. I mean, the chairman of the
44:53
Joint Chiefs. So that is the total upper
44:58
brass. That's the just about the
45:00
highest you're going to get in the US Navy.
45:03
That man believing and supporting, believing what
45:07
happened to you and supporting you at the time in his time.
45:11
And your captain, whose name was kind of a Scottish name, I
45:14
believe. I don't recall the name off
45:16
hand. To approach a Joint Chiefs
45:19
chairman with such arrogance that that is just really
45:22
flooring to believe that they just, you know, could control
45:27
him like a wind up toy, that I don't know if you can
45:32
overemphasise that, that that is just so outrageous.
45:36
Absolutely. It's outrageous, but they got by
45:39
with it. It's like they get Bob's
45:40
everything else, Avril Moore said over and over again.
45:46
I've urged the Congress over and over again to investigate this.
45:51
It was not a mistaken identity. He'll never, ever believe a
45:54
mistaken identity. Avril Moore was a World War Two
45:58
hero and he spent most of his time in military.
46:02
When he was a fighter pilot or Recon pilot scouring the oceans
46:09
for ships he could identify them all and he says USS Liberty was
46:13
the easiest ship in the Navy to identify with.
46:18
US he said looked like a giant lobster with all the antennas
46:21
and everything on it. So the the idea that it was a
46:26
mistaken identity is a misnomer. All pre plan, probably in a year
46:31
in advance, as I said earlier, to sink our old ship, blame it
46:35
on blame it on Egypt. Now this could it's been a World
46:40
War. This would affect everybody in
46:42
Europe too. It could affect the whole world.
46:45
What they were going to do think of Russia would have used a
46:49
nuke. We'd have been an all out nuke
46:51
war right then over and over. I mean it could have been the
46:55
end. It could have been the end, but
47:00
by the grace of God, it wasn't. That's why I'm here right now
47:04
telling you the truth. And yeah, what Admiral Moore, he
47:07
is a he's a number one guy, you know, chief of Naval Operations
47:13
and the chairman of the Joint Chief.
47:17
They treated him like that and nobody cared.
47:21
Nobody still cares. You know, they won't even talk
47:23
about the USS Liberty. That's what irritates all the
47:26
survivors and their their families.
47:29
It's, you know, we get called bad names and they won't, they
47:33
won't recognise us. They won't talk to us.
47:35
Any letters you send to them prepared to be lied to.
47:38
This has been investigated already.
47:40
Forget it. We're not doing it again.
47:41
They, they're liars. It's never been a congressional
47:43
investigation. So you can't believe a word that
47:46
comes out of their mouth, especially when it comes to
47:48
Israel? Probably everything.
47:51
Truly amazing you're captain of the Liberty.
47:54
What was his name and describe him just briefly and what a
47:57
little bit about what he went through dealing with this.
48:00
We talked about Admiral Moorer. Just a brief salute to your
48:03
captain. Go ahead.
48:05
Yes, Captain. Captain Mcgonigal, very brave
48:09
man. Very, very brave man.
48:11
I saw him on the bridge on action, in action when I was
48:15
trying to put out fires on the bridge.
48:18
That's one of my friends there. He was on the Helms when he was
48:21
a helm. He was.
48:23
He was killed just a few seconds after I left, got back up there
48:27
and he was dead on the on the deck.
48:29
But Cap McDonald received the Medal of Honour for his heroic
48:35
action and he was a hero. He deserved the Medal of Honour
48:39
to serve the Medal of Honour in all respects and everybody
48:42
respects him. But he was wounded.
48:47
He stayed, he stayed on the bridge.
48:49
He never left the bridge to just take him.
48:51
But he's getting more coffee put down and everything, anything.
48:57
And he never left that bridge. He was brave, brave, brave man.
49:00
And he got our ship out of there somehow, by the grace of God.
49:04
And he's buried in Arlington right now, right on a hill above
49:08
the Mass, Craven Arlington. There's six men there in that
49:13
grave. They couldn't be identified.
49:16
They just got their names. And who knows if they're even in
49:19
there or not? I don't know, but their names
49:20
are. At least we can remember them
49:23
that way. You know, during the the
49:26
horrible attack, 2 marines were killed.
49:29
The CIANSA guy was killed, 25 old total, 25 spies killed and 9
49:38
crew members 34 and 174 wounded. Some so badly he couldn't hardly
49:42
look at him. So sad.
49:44
It was just unbelievable. But yes, our captain deserves
49:47
all the credit. And he came out later in life
49:50
and he said told George Golden this.
49:52
My division officer, it's just George.
49:55
They bought me. They bought me off.
49:57
They made me. They made me shut up.
50:00
It made me quiet. And he was crying when he told
50:05
George Golden that soon after he passed away.
50:09
This is truly a amazing and in some ways many ways
50:13
heartbreaking story. And yet we can take some solace
50:17
in the fact that the Liberty survivors are still meeting.
50:22
They know the truth. They refused to bend.
50:26
We know. Public opinion, however slowly,
50:29
is starting to turn a more logical, rational direction, a
50:33
more truthful direction. You, by all indications,
50:37
prevented a much larger war, although unintentionally, from
50:41
happening. And so in that strange way that
50:46
maybe only the good Lord understands and knows, of course
50:50
it was good and that it prevented a larger conflict, yet
50:54
you had to bear the total brunt of this.
50:57
But the final observation, at least one of my summaries here
51:02
as we wind up, is that this is without a doubt, and I can't, I
51:08
can't think of anything that would surpass it.
51:10
This is without a doubt the most sensitive piece of information
51:16
that if it were more widely known, if it were more widely
51:19
understood, reaching that 100th monkey, as they call it, that,
51:24
that threshold where when enough people know something, almost
51:28
everybody knows it. They call that the 100th monkey
51:30
syndrome or 100th monkey phenomenon.
51:33
You might say if this reached a critical mass, a sufficiently
51:37
critical mass of public knowledge, it would have an
51:42
irreversible effect, I believe, on American public opinion
51:47
toward the state of Israel, not against Jews in general.
51:50
It's not that against the state of Israel.
51:54
And the powers that be know this.
51:57
And this, in my mind, is the only understandable explanation
52:03
for why they go to such lengths to keep a lid on this.
52:06
Because if it gets out enough, there's no turning back.
52:11
The proverbial toothpaste cannot be put back in the tube, and
52:15
they know it. And yet you guys refuse to bow.
52:18
You've refused to be quiet about it.
52:21
And the tide is turning. It's just a matter of time.
52:25
But but I think that's what it boils down to.
52:27
If this got out enough, there'd be no turning back, and the
52:30
entire relationship with the state of Israel would be
52:33
permanently changed. That's the way I see it.
52:37
Well, you see, You see it right through my eyes too, Mark.
52:39
That's exactly right. And you know, this is this cover
52:43
up is so pervasive and so crooked and so bad.
52:47
You know, the reason we keep on speaking out is our brothers
52:51
were murdered that day in cold blood.
52:56
In cold blood. They can't speak for myself, but
52:59
we can speak. And I'm going to speak for them
53:01
as long as I can till I'm dead. I'm not giving this fight up.
53:06
In fact, I'm starting my own podcast starting this week.
53:09
It's the Phil Turney podcast, It'll be on X and Rumble and all
53:15
all the other outlets we can get on TikTok.
53:17
We'll do short, short pieces there.
53:19
And but we're going to have guests, the survivors, survivor
53:26
that want to come on board and get on the podcast.
53:29
You got to hear things so horrific.
53:31
It's never even been told before.
53:34
That's how bad it's going to be or good, actually good for the
53:38
America to hear this, what they've done and what they've
53:41
done to lives. I mean, these a lot of these
53:43
guys are suffering so bad. One of my shipmates, a dear
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friend of mine, Don Pagler, he's been holding this with him for
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years. He's had high blood, blood
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pressure. Finally his his eyes pop.
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He's blind now and sick. We're losing survivors four or
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five a year, every year, 4 or five a year or more.
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So what we're doing, it's a noble 'cause I do it because I
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believe in Jesus Christ as my Saviour and he's my protection.
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He was then and he is now. So America, the world's got to
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wake up. Europe, I think it's probably a
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little bit more understanding, or maybe they're not, I don't
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know. I would hope so, but certainly
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the United States, none of the media, ABCNBCCBS, all the
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mainstream media, they wouldn't touch it with 10 foot pole.
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With alternative media such as this, that's the way to go
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because people can pick up on it and learn things they'd never
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learned before. So we're going to blow the lid
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completely off this cover up once and for all.
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That's our goal. At least that's my goal.
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That's right. And the Alternative Media UK
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column, being among the leaders seeks, of course, to definitely
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challenge the dominance ultimately of the legacy media
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cartel, as I call them. Anyway, Phil Tourney, I believe
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we can wind it up there. I'm glad that you're 58th
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reunion in Norfolk, VA wound up successfully despite some of the
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threats that you experienced. And thanks for being with me
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today. I suspect there could be an
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accompanying article with this video at some point.
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We'll see what other developments come out.
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But again, thanks Phil Tourney, USS Liberty Survivor for joining
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me here on UK column and you have a great day.
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You as well, Mark. Thank you so much.
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God bless you, Sir. May peace be on all of us.
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And let's get this out. We can't do it alone.
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We need you, Mark. We need you bad.
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We need everybody. Let's get let's knock this out
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once and for all. We can't be controlled by a
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foreign government. So thank you, Sir.
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I appreciate it.