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Why Do People Like Lindsay Clancy Attract Fan Clubs? · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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  Speaker 1: to Greg Karambas of Radio America and Jim Garrity of
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  Speaker 1: We get to today.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, mostly good first martini here, but a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a bitter aftertaste, which we'll get to
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  Speaker 2: in a moment. But first of all, we've had some
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  Speaker 2: pretty rough job months here in the last several months.
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  Speaker 2: But in August, the numbers exceeding expectations. CNBC reported With
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  Speaker 2: the story, the U.S. economy adding jobs at a brisk
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  Speaker 2: pace in August, reversing a somber slowdown in hiring while
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  Speaker 2: the unemployment rates held steady. Non-farm payrolls rose a seasonally
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  Speaker 2: adjusted 162,000 for the month, while the unemployment rate, as expected,
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  Speaker 2: held steady at 4.1%. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had
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  Speaker 2: been looking for payrolls to go up by 53,000, not 162,000.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a big, big miss in the right direction.
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  Speaker 2: August total was the strongest monthly gain since March. Chris
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  Speaker 2: Rupke of FWD Bond says, net-net, the labor market is
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  Speaker 2: alive and well and generating thousands of new jobs to
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  Speaker 2: help keep economic growth squarely in the plus column. And
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  Speaker 2: the report was consistent with what the Federal Reserve officials
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  Speaker 2: have called a stable labor market. Jim, as we have
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  Speaker 2: said many times, especially in an election year, and this
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  Speaker 2: goes beyond the importance of an election, of course, but
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  Speaker 2: Ideas in people's minds start to solidify, harden around Labor Day.
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  Speaker 2: And that's exactly where we are here. Not sure how
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  Speaker 2: much this will change people's perceptions of the economy, as
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about in a little bit. But in terms
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  Speaker 2: of beating expectations by more than three.
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  Speaker 1: To one, you got to like that. Well, besides the
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  Speaker 1: fact that you and I always root for high rates
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  Speaker 1: of job creation, no matter who the president is, no
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  Speaker 1: matter who controls Congress, more jobs is good for America.
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  Speaker 1: I think that also like this counts really as a
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  Speaker 1: bullet dodged. You know, last month was a decline in jobs,
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  Speaker 1: which kind of surprised a whole bunch of people. If
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  Speaker 1: you'd had two bad ones in, you know, back to back,
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  Speaker 1: you'd hear the talk point. It's not just cost of living.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just inflation. Job creation has dropped off. The
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  Speaker 1: economy is really hurting, blah, blah, blah. And it's not
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  Speaker 1: Republicans wanted to be talking about heading into an election.
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  Speaker 1: This refutes or dispels or balances out the bad news
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  Speaker 1: from before. And if you're a Republican who's getting asked
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  Speaker 1: about the economy, getting asked about cost of living, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have some problems. You have to explain
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  Speaker 1: that Iran war undoubtedly had effect on oil prices. That's
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  Speaker 1: the reason the gas prices are higher. We'll talk a
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  Speaker 1: bit more about that in a second. But you can
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  Speaker 1: point to the job creation. You can point out that
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  Speaker 1: 4% is low by historical standards and It's been a
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  Speaker 1: pretty steady job creation pace. Not fantastic, not off the charts.
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  Speaker 1: You can always do better than you're doing. But really,
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  Speaker 1: this dispels what would have been a very easy talking
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  Speaker 1: point for Democrats on the left and kind of gives
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  Speaker 1: the administration one more thing they can point to that's going, OK,
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  Speaker 1: this is going pretty well, all things considered. Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 2: And we talked about the previous month and it says
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  Speaker 2: here in the CNBC piece, In addition to the gains
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  Speaker 2: in August, prior months did see upward revisions. July showed
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  Speaker 2: a gain of 21,000 jobs, swinging positive from a loss
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  Speaker 2: of 23,000. June was revised up to a gain of 31,000
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  Speaker 2: or an increase of 11,000 from the original numbers. And so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting to watch some of those pretty
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  Speaker 2: significant revisions a month or two after the fact. And
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  Speaker 2: they say the job gains were pretty broadly based. Restaurants
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  Speaker 2: and bars, maybe getting ready for the NFL season, led
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  Speaker 2: with 59,000 new jobs. while government education rose by 42,000,
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  Speaker 2: manufacturing up 16,000, health care, which is usually the primary
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  Speaker 2: engine of job growth, a gain of 13,000, which is
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  Speaker 2: actually kind of low for them. But yeah, you like
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  Speaker 2: to see it broad-based and not just in one area.
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  Speaker 2: And at the end of Labor Day, you're probably losing
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  Speaker 2: a decent number of seasonal jobs. Maybe that was reflected
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  Speaker 2: more at the end of July. I don't know. But
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  Speaker 2: the fact that you can gain that much in the
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  Speaker 2: face of people going back to college and that sort
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  Speaker 2: of thing is pretty healthy as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd like to think that it balances out to
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  Speaker 1: a degree. The beach resort jobs disappear, but the ski
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  Speaker 1: resort jobs start picking up as the seasons change in
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  Speaker 1: different parts of the country and things like that. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why they seasonally adjust these sorts of things. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think you're going to be seeing it on a
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  Speaker 1: scale large enough to affect the overall national unemployment rate.
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  Speaker 1: But nonetheless, you take every bit of good news where
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  Speaker 1: you can get it.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Now, if you're at the gas pump, if you're
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  Speaker 2: near me, it's high $ 3, you know, close to $ 4
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  Speaker 2: for regular unleaded. But one of the big concerns right
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  Speaker 2: now is diesel. On Friday, diesel hit a record price
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  Speaker 2: in the U.S., soaring to an average.
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  Speaker 3: Of $ 5. 85 a gallon. And, of course, Jim, you know,
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  Speaker 3: diesel is a lot of things. You use diesel for manufacturing.
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  Speaker 3: You use diesel for trucking everything to different stores and
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  Speaker 3: Amazon and everything else around the country. And so the
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  Speaker 3: price of things is not going to be helped, certainly,
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  Speaker 3: by record prices of diesel.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is the top of today's morning jolt,
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  Speaker 1: and I looked up. So 97% of the Class 8
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  Speaker 1: highway tractor trailers, these are the big tractor trailers you
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  Speaker 1: see on the highway, 97% of them are running on
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  Speaker 1: diesel fuel. Diesel fuel is also what's used in most
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  Speaker 1: farm equipment. So we're getting into harvest season. Actually, harvest season,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, started last month. They put all the big
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  Speaker 1: machines out in the fields collecting all the crops. That's
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  Speaker 1: going to run on diesel fuel. That's going to cost
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  Speaker 1: farmers more. And I did not know this, Greg, 90%
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  Speaker 1: of the school buses in the United States run on
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  Speaker 1: diesel fuel. By the way, did you know which locality
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  Speaker 1: has more school buses than any other locality in the
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  Speaker 1: entire country?
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  Speaker 2: Do we live near that locality?
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  Speaker 1: Fairfax County. And you think about it. At first, you'd
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  Speaker 1: be like, really? Fairfax County? I mean, it's got a
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  Speaker 1: million people, but it doesn't. Then you realize Fairfax County
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  Speaker 1: is very spread out, very suburban. And of course, if
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  Speaker 1: there's any bad weather in one part, You have to
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  Speaker 1: cancel school across the entire county. And that's why my
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  Speaker 1: kids have only been to three days of school over
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  Speaker 1: the last 18 years. That's how, you know. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, they're a bit like Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 1: There are school districts that have more kids, but generally
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  Speaker 1: more densely packed. You have more kids walking to school
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  Speaker 1: and you have fewer school buses. But anyway, there's been
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  Speaker 1: interesting reports about school budgets that were like they kind
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  Speaker 1: of figured, oh, the cost of fuel for school buses
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  Speaker 1: is going to be here. Now it's up here. It's
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  Speaker 1: significantly higher. And so they're having to look at what
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  Speaker 1: that puts a squeeze on those budgets. So you really
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  Speaker 1: can't reduce demand. You'd like to increase supply. Whatever you
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  Speaker 1: think of the Venezuela deal, you're not going to be
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  Speaker 1: getting that oil up to the United States fast. But
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  Speaker 1: the other thing, which is a really big, like the
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  Speaker 1: real problem, and I've looked at this several times over
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  Speaker 1: the years, including during the Biden years. It's refinery capacity.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, we're operating at 96.5% of total available
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  Speaker 1: refinery capacity. Traditionally, this is the time of year when
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  Speaker 1: they have to take some offline to do needed maintenance.
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  Speaker 1: And they said the refineries are looking at, can we
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  Speaker 1: put that off another month? Just because there's such intense
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  Speaker 1: demand for this right now. As you mentioned, there's Iran war.
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  Speaker 1: I should point out that as one of Ukraine's biggest cheerleaders,
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  Speaker 1: Ukraine blowing up Russian oil fields, oil refineries, and oil
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  Speaker 1: storage facilities, that too has put a squeeze on it.
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  Speaker 1: But basically, the Russian oil that was reaching the market
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  Speaker 1: is about 1% of the world. The oil that's in
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  Speaker 1: the Persian Gulf is about 20% of world supply. So
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  Speaker 1: is it a factor? Yeah. Is it as big a
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  Speaker 1: factor as what's going on in Iran? No, not really.
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  Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, diesel fuel is not the same.
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  Speaker 1: The process of creating diesel fuel separates it out into
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  Speaker 1: heating oil. Hey, we're heading towards winter and heating oil
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  Speaker 1: is going to be needed for the winter too. Somebody
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  Speaker 1: said that you're going to see the inflationary effects of
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  Speaker 1: a diesel fuel price increase. about two months down the line. Hey, Greg,
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  Speaker 1: what happens in two months? Midterm elections.
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  Speaker 2: Midterm elections.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Not what a Republican wants to hear right now.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. And why isn't there additional refining capacity? I wonder
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  Speaker 2: which party wants the regulations and the environmental inspections of
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  Speaker 2: the land and all that to take forever so those
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  Speaker 2: additional facilities can't come online. Probably the same people who
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  Speaker 2: don't want additional nuclear power plants.
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  Speaker 1: Correct. I would also point out like there is, the
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  Speaker 1: good news is there are plans to build the first
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  Speaker 1: new oil refinery in the United States in Brownsville, Texas,
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  Speaker 1: right on the water. They just announced plans earlier this year.
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  Speaker 1: The Trump administration was touting it. And for all my gripes,
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  Speaker 1: the Trump administration, this is an area where they absolutely
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  Speaker 1: are pursuing the right kind of policies. The problem is
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  Speaker 1: that one is going to be ready by 2029. so
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  Speaker 1: we should not expect immediate effects on this. Generally, I
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  Speaker 1: think the last one we built before them was like 1977.
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  Speaker 1: We don't build new oil refineries in this country. Generally,
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  Speaker 1: they take existing oil refineries and can increase the capacity,
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  Speaker 1: build more stuff in there. But again, this strikes me
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  Speaker 1: as where there's a funnel or a clog in the system.
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  Speaker 1: I know everyone wants to say drill, baby, drill. Greg,
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  Speaker 1: I find that argument crude and unrefined. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a dad for the dad jokes. But really, in the end,
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  Speaker 1: we've got to refine, baby, refine.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's exactly right. And so, you know, you want
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  Speaker 2: domestic energy. You've got to take the steps to do it. And,
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  Speaker 2: of course, it's not going to happen overnight. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to some extent, the price of oil is based on
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  Speaker 2: what they expect to happen. So if you're aggressive in
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  Speaker 2: creating that capacity, it could potentially have an effect on prices,
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  Speaker 2: although not significantly right away. So overall, good news on jobs.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit of a wincing, certainly, when it comes
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  Speaker 2: been going on a long time up in Massachusetts, in Plymouth, Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 2: They used to have a policy in Plymouth, Salem, Massachusetts. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, a little more than 330 years ago
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  Speaker 2: with people who seemed to be out of control. They're
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  Speaker 2: not doing that now. They're not drowning people and pressing
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  Speaker 2: them with stones and stuff like that. But anyway, She,
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  Speaker 2: of course, murdered her three children. Everybody agrees with that.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody agrees that she did that. The question is, was
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  Speaker 2: she temporarily in some sort of psychosis, postpartum psychosis, when
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  Speaker 2: she did that? Apparently, she had not been previously diagnosed
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  Speaker 2: with that. Her defense obviously found people who argued that
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  Speaker 2: she was. Right now, it looks like an 11 to
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  Speaker 2: 1 jury, and it seems like the 11 want to
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  Speaker 2: say that she's not guilty by reason of temporary insanity.
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  Speaker 2: There's the one juror holdout. The defense is saying he's
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  Speaker 2: a liar. They've called out that he's a man. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if a lawyer hasn't seen 12 Angry Men
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  Speaker 2: and how that evolution of that case came to a
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  Speaker 2: different verdict. But we're either going to get a mistrial
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  Speaker 2: or an acquittal here. And if there is a mistrial,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure the prosecution after an 11 to 1
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  Speaker 2: mistrial is necessarily going to want to come forward on this.
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  Speaker 2: But we've also seen women online and women even showing
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  Speaker 2: up at the courthouse just cheering on Lindsay Clancy like
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  Speaker 2: she's Luigi Mangione in some way. She just couldn't be
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  Speaker 2: helped in this situation. So, Jim, you wrote about this
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  Speaker 2: trial earlier in the week. I'm not sure exactly how
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  Speaker 2: this is going to play out, but there's so much
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  Speaker 2: to take away given the profile that this case has
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  Speaker 2: taken on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it usually takes quite a bit to get me
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  Speaker 1: to write about the stuff that we used to characterize
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  Speaker 1: with Court TV. My other podcast co-host, Mickey White, has
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  Speaker 1: the observation that there are a lot of people who
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  Speaker 1: think they are true crime fans. But they're not that
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  Speaker 1: interested in the criminology. They're not interested in the evidence
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  Speaker 1: and the police work that put the person on trial.
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  Speaker 1: They're just really fans of messy human drama. And they
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  Speaker 1: like watching people who have lives that are even more
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  Speaker 1: messed up than their own. And I have a sneaking
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  Speaker 1: suspicion that's part of what's driving the public fascination with this. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 1: parents killing their children is rare. I think there's about
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  Speaker 1: 500 per year and about 250 each between fathers and mothers.
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  Speaker 1: Seeing three children murdered and strangled is– by the way,
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  Speaker 1: we should point out that the defendant is not– has
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  Speaker 1: like already conceded that they did it. That this was–
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  Speaker 1: that she's the one who strangled all three. The defense
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  Speaker 1: is not guilty by reason of insanity. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: in the state of Massachusetts, usually in a lot of states,
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  Speaker 1: if you plead not guilty, it's up to the defendant
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  Speaker 1: to prove. I was cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. I was
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  Speaker 1: out of my gourd. There's– this is why I reached
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  Speaker 1: the conclusion that I did. In the state of Massachusetts,
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution has to prove that the defendant was sane.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're going to plead insanity, Massachusetts may well
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  Speaker 1: be the best state to do that. I'll avoid any
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  Speaker 1: crass Massachusetts jokes right there. But observing that this may
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  Speaker 1: be one of the reasons that her team is pursuing
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  Speaker 1: this defense. What's been bizarre are the pink T-shirt wearing
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  Speaker 1: protesters outside who have basically made the argument that she
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  Speaker 1: didn't do it, that it might have been the husband,
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  Speaker 1: that it might have been someone else. And they're putting
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  Speaker 1: out arguments that not even her defense team is making.
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  Speaker 1: What we're seeing– also the really nonsensical argument that Lindsay
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  Speaker 1: Clancy is all women or she speaks for all women. Now,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of women have experienced postpartum depression. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of– postpartum psychosis is rare but it does happen. But
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  Speaker 1: the idea is like, oh, that could have been me. Well,
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  Speaker 1: if you experienced either of those conditions, you didn't murder
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  Speaker 1: your children. So she is not every woman. She is
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  Speaker 1: actually the most extreme of outliers in this. And we've
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  Speaker 1: seen this come up. And I made the point I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to make in my morning jolt earlier this week.
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  Speaker 1: Luigi Mangione is not every person who has had a
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  Speaker 1: frustrating experience with a health insurance company. OJ Simpson was
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  Speaker 1: not every black man. But the other example I could
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  Speaker 1: give you, John Dillinger was actually not a rebel against
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  Speaker 1: the system. He and his gang killed 10 people over
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  Speaker 1: the course of the bank robberies, right? When someone is
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  Speaker 1: on trial, the argument is always some variation of the
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  Speaker 1: Christine O'Donnell I'm not a witch. I'm you. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: let the record show it was Greg Karumbas who made
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  Speaker 1: the first Salem witch trial joke about this trial, not me.
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  Speaker 1: For everyone who thinks I'm the bad taste, you know. So,
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  Speaker 1: but there was this perception of like, oh, the defendant
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  Speaker 1: is just like you on a bad day. Which is
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  Speaker 1: really not the case because lots of human beings have
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: lots of bad days. Lots of human beings have all
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: kinds of terrible things that happen to them. And they
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: generally don't become murderers because of it. Murder is thankfully
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: very rare. So there's kind of this deliberate blurring of
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: the lines. There's always this sense of like, oh, when
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: you see the defendant, don't look at someone who's strangled
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: three children. stabbed their ex-wife in a waiter, or did
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: any of these other, or shot a CEO in a bank.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Look at the person who's had frustration with a health
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: insurance company. Who among us hasn't had that? How many
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: mothers have experienced postpartum depression or extremely high level? But
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: that's not the issue. The issue is what they did, right?
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: So we'll see how this jury turns out. I do
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: think the interpretation of the jury sounds right in the
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: sense that it does sound like there's a great deal
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: of sympathy there. Somebody pointed out that three of the
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: jurors went to court wearing pink, which had become kind
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: of the symbol of Clancy's Defenders, which I look at
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: that and see that's a very bad thing. The other
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: really bizarre angle in this case was earlier in the week,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: a woman was arrested for going to a secure parking
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: lot part of the courthouse area and recording the jurors.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: This woman apparently said she'd been to the Murtaugh trial
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: down in South Carolina. Apparently, she's a crime junkie. crime junkie.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Is that a job now? Well, she's a retired nurse, right?
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: So she's got time on her hands. But anyway, she
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: goes to these trials and she's really into them. Now,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I watch Jet Games. I work to make fun of
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: how you choose to spend your free time. But if
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: you've been to all these trials, well, then you know
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: how important it is that the jurors not have their
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: identities exposed unless they want to expose them after the
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: trial and they want to write their books or go
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: on cable news and say, this is what happened in
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: the jury room or something like that. During the trial...
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Jurors are supposed to be anonymous. People are not supposed
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: to be running around taking their pictures and they're really
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: not supposed to go to restricted areas and record them
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: on their phones. So I don't buy this idea that, oh,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I'm a crime junkie and I just happened to make
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: this mistake. No, I don't really think that was an
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: innocent mistake. So we'll see what happens. I think that
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I completely understand why there are so many people who
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: find this dark and depressing. Some are saying this is
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: the natural extension of the abortion argument that basically if
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: a mother can terminate her child within nine months– Who's
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: to say after nine years? Who's to say not later
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: on in life? And it's a dark thing. We will
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: see how things shake out in the trial. That's the
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: reason we have the trial. And one thing I would
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: kind of note, though, is that there are a lot
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: of people, myself included, who have not followed every detail
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: of this trial. Jurors have to sit there and for
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: every moment. And often they're taking notes and all that stuff.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: We'll see how things shake out. But if nothing else,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: the jurors are forced to pay attention or at least
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: appear to be paying attention for the entirety of the trial. Dan,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I'm reminded of what Dennis Miller said. The only way–
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: if you get arrested in this country, your fate is
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: decided by 12 people who are too dumb to get
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: out of jury duty.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: And they also say they didn't sequester the jury, but
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: they told them not to check out any coverage of
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the case. So I don't know how.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: You do that unless you're watching– Good thing there hasn't
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: been a lot of that.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Women– It makes sense that once in a while they'd
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: wear pink in a long case showing up in the
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: jury box. But if they're doing it every day and
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: it seems to be solidarity with the people outside, I
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: think that's more grounds for questioning whether a jury needs
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: to be removed rather than a guy who's not agreeing
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: with the other 11. I mean, that's part of the
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: jury system. So in the final analysis, to mix a
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: couple of different pop culture references here, first of all,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: a few good men. I don't know if you remember
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: that initially Tom Cruise, Demi Moore, and Kevin Pollak are
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: all on the same defense team. Demi Moore was sympathetic
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: to the clients right away. Kevin Pollak was not. They're like,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: you don't believe their story at all. You think they
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: should go to jail for the rest of their life?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: And he says, no, I do believe their story, and
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I think they should go to jail for the rest
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: of their lives. And I don't know that I believe
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: her story at all about the psychosis, but if you
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: kill your kids, I think you should go away. But
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: on Law & Order, after they dealt with that, if
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Jack McCoy thought there was grounds to go after the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: pharmaceutical companies for this gigantic cocktail of anxiety medicine or
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: whatever she was on, that would be the second half
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: of the episode, I think, and who knows what will
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: happen in this case.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I won't even get into what Candace Owens has been saying.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: But there are a lot of people who would very
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: much like to blame big pharmaceutical companies for her actions
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: and the idea that she was not in control of
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: her actions as a result of that. There's also the
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: question– like when someone says, oh, look at all the
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: prescription medications they had. There's also the question of how
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: many of the prescription medications did they take? and whether
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: you can prove that. Also, what I said earlier about
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the unique nature of Massachusetts law. Imagine being a juror
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: and jurors are not psychiatrists, right? Psychiatrists can be brought
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: in as expert witnesses. They can explain the mind, how
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: it works, how medication could affect the neurons, how it
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: could affect your thinking But in the end, it's up
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: to the jurors to decide that. And when I wrote
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: this earlier in the week, somebody was like, you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you're not a psychiatrist, Jim. What do you know? I'm like, okay, well,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you know, you might think I'm unqualified to write about it,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: but I'm also equally qualified to be on the jury.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: So like in the end, there's a way, you know,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: who do I have to be to say? I had
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: pointed out that basically according to the testimony, Clancy looked
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: up the amount of time that her husband would be
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: away picking up takeout food while, you know, before sending
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: him out. And that's when she, you know, killed the children.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: And so to me, that recognizes, oh, you were not
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. You were not hallucinating. You were
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: not unable to tell. That to me says forethought. That
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to me says planning. That to me says a mind
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: that's very capable of recognizing the consequences of actions. But, hey,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not on the jury, Greg.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing that comes with this case, though,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: and we've talked about them, are the women outside the prison,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the defenders she has online. whether it's Mangione, whether it's
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the people on the overpass while OJ was in the Bronco.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just fascinating how people who are accused
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: of the most heinous things can still develop a fan
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: club for these things. And you're just like, even if
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: the defense is telling the accurate story here, this is
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: only horrible on every level. The fact that there's like
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: a cheering squad in any of these cases is just
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: beyond the pale.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Greg, not everyone roots for rational things like the Chicago
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Bears and New York Jets, although people will point out
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: the defense.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: That's not rational either.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: The defendants, they have a defense. And they've committed offenses.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: So they're covered on both ends.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, when we come back, a shakeup at
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: a big cable network.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: All right, Jim.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Yesterday afternoon, we got the news out of Fox News
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: that Maria Bartiromo is gone. You know, ages ago, she
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: was known as the money honey over on CNBC, and
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: then she's been with Fox Business for a long time.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: But a very terse statement yesterday from Fox News Media.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Fox News Media just saying, we thank Maria for her
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: work over the last 12 and a half years and
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: wish her all the best on her next chapter. So
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: what's going on here? Some of the immediate speculation was, oh,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: she's going to be the new press secretary. Well, maybe,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: but that's not why she's out at Fox News. Dylan
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Byers over at Puck says, The backstory is that Maria
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Bartiromo wanted to pursue a story related to China and
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the 2020 election voting conspiracies, a major sensitivity for Fox
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: given its dominion and smartmatic lawsuits. A Fox business executive
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: sent a text to Fox business producers informing them that
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: the story could not go on air. Bartiromo then took
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: a screenshot of the guidance and sent it to senior
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: White House officials. Fox News leadership learned about that after
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: receiving a call from the White House, which they viewed
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: as a fireable offense. Fox pulled Bartiromo from air after
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: August 9th. She was fired today, meaning yesterday. And a
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: buyer says, I've also learned that her executive producer was
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: also fired after the announcement. Maria had resigned her contract
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: with Fox last February. So I'm not sure what term
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: she was on up until this point. Maria Bartiromo has
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: been in the business a long time. I'm sure given
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: her financial sense, I'm sure she's well set for a
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: while here. I'm sure she'll get a new job soon
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: to some extent. But Jim, once your bosses tell you
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: you can't do something, to go behind their back is
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: probably going to lead to something like this. Of course,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: there are other people saying, you know, that she was
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: pursuing something and the suits wouldn't let her. But what's
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: your take on Bartiromo?
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, when the news broke, it was
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: my reaction. Everybody else's reaction was up. She's gonna be
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the next White House press secretary because it seemed to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: be out of the blue. And we know that there's
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: an opening there. And we know that Trump's been, you know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: complaining that he doesn't, you know, he doesn't want Catherine
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Levitt to leave, but she's going to be on maternity leave.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And so there's kind of this question of who is
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: going to fill those shoes. Maria Barbaromo, I think, has
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: been a friendly interviewer of the president for many years,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and that seemed like a natural match there. Not the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: case at all there. Greg, I don't know about you,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: but I can think of, I don't know, it's like
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: 787 million reasons why Fox News Channel would not want
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: its employees airing any specious claims or debatable claims about
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the 2020 elections, considering the settlement they made with Dominion
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Voting Systems, and then they had a settlement with Smartmatic,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: and it's, you know, like, There's obvious reasons why the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Fox network is very, very touchy about people making claims
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: about the 2020 election and claiming hacking of vote totals
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: or something like that. The president's prime time address talked
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: about China and I walked through it and some of
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it was overstated when he says the access to voter data,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: whether or not you voted is public record. So it's
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: not like this is breaking into some secure facility to
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: get this information or or things like that. So look,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I think if the right line of action is to say, well,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I'd really like to do this story. I'd really like
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: to examine these claims. I'll run them by a legal team.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: So make sure we're not putting ourselves in any libel situation.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: We're not risking ourselves. That would seem like the better one.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: When the bosses say, here's the ruling, and you go
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to the president, or you go to the president's team,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: you say, this is what my bosses are telling me.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Your employer really can't trust you anymore. And unfortunately, I
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: think that, you know, I understand why she felt very
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: strongly about this. I understand why she felt like this
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: was probably some sort of unfair restriction on her ability
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: to chase down the story she wants to chase down.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: But in the end, your bosses need to be able
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to trust you, particularly on a topic that is as
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: touchy as this one that has blown up at the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: network's face in such an expensive way. So she cannot
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: be possibly surprised that it has shaken out this way.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I imagine when she sent that text, she was probably comfortable.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: My suspicion is you don't do something like that if
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: this is the first time you've ever had a disagreement
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: with your bosses. Now, thankfully, Greg, as I sit here
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: in the studios of Radio America, they are excellent and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: wonderful people who've never been wrong about anything. I could
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: say the same thing about National Review and Washington Post.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: What you're saying, do you really think that if we
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: had disagreements, we would not talk about them on the air?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I think institutions have a right to expect that disagreements
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: are going to be held in-house and that everybody's going to,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: you know, keep an appropriate and respectful tone. And when
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the boss says, this is the way it's going to be,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: your options are to leave, try to persuade him again,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: or salute and say, yes, sir, and keep on going
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the way it is. Unfortunately, so in the end, Maria
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Bartiromo made her choice.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And that's why, you know, whenever there's a dismissal in media,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: the departure is abrupt because you can't allow the person
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: potentially to go back on air.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, yeah. Let me tell you what's wrong
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: with my boss.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: So, It can seem abrupt, but there obviously are reasons
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: for that. Completely off topic, Jim. I'm sure it wouldn't
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: be for this administration, but would you ever want to
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: be press secretary?
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: No.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: You're very good on your feet, but I think that
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: would get to you after a while.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I don't quite want to say they can't afford me.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: But it's worth noting, by the way, like most people
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: when they talk about, you know, cable news figures, like
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Scott Jennings has been mentioned a lot as a possibility.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how much Scott Jennings is making
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: from CNN and from his radio show. but my assumption
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: is it's a pretty penny. I don't remember off the
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: top of my head of what the White House press
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: secretary gets. It's probably between 100 grand and 200 grand,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: somewhere in that range, and maybe on the upper end
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: of it. But most of the time to work in
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: government at a certain level, you are taking a pay cut. Now,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: do you do it for a couple of years and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: you get a book deal and you get to say
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: alongside the president? Sure. For some people, it's worthwhile. For
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: other people, it's not. I don't think I've ever... Even
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: for Bobby Jindal, even for Pat Toomey, even for my
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: favorite guys. By the way, none of them got anywhere
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: near the White House. So I don't think– I like
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: being on the outside. I like being able to critique.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I was very briefly employed. This is a good way
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to promote our Labor Day episode. I was very briefly
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: employed in public relations and I hated it in part
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: because I would write things and then other people would
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: write exactly what I had written under their name. Deeply,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: deeply frustrating. Yeah. That's a whole other problem in the media.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: That's the job of a PR guy, to make journalism
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: easy for lazy reporters. And shockingly, I didn't want to
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: All right. Good tease, Mr. Garrity.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Coming up in just a moment, we'll tell you a
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: little bit about what's coming up on Monday.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Monday is Labor Day, which means most people have the
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: day off. Really, Jim and I will too. But we
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: are going to have a fresh episode for you on Monday.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: It's our Labor Day episode. We're going to tell you
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: who we think are the hardest working people in government
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: and maybe media, the least hardworking in those areas. And
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: then we're going to tell a couple of stories from
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: our own work experience, which should be pretty darn entertaining
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: after all the years we've been working here. So Jim,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: looking forward to that.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I can't wait. Listeners, viewers, you should know that when
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Greg and I come up with some sort of special
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: category like this, it's almost a preview of our end
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: of the year awards. We spend absolute minutes and minutes
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: thinking of who we should... name for something like this.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: So looking forward to it. And by looking forward to it,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I mean looking forward to taping it very shortly and
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: then everyone can listen to it on Labor Day on Monday.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: So in the meantime, Jim, have a good weekend and
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I'll sort of be with you on Monday and of
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: course on Tuesday as well.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I'll see you vaguely early next week, Greg.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Jim Garrity, National Review. I'm Greg Karambas of Radio America.
• 29:18
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• 29:39
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