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S7, Ep 16: Simplifying Complexity: Effective Teaching Strategies in Fly Fishing with Mac Brown · The Articulate Fly

• 0:04
  Hey
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  folks,
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  it's
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  Marvin
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  Cash,
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  the
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  host
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  of
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  the
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  Articulate
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  Fly.
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  We're
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  back
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  with
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  another
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  casting
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  angles
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  with
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  Mack
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  Brown.
• 0:09
  Mack,
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  how
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  are
• 0:09
  you?
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  I'm
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  doing
• 0:11
  great.
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  How
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  are
• 0:12
  you
• 0:12
  doing,
• 0:12
  Marvin?
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  As
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  always,
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  I'm
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  just
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  trying
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  to
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  stay
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  out
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  of
• 0:14
  trouble.
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  And
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  it's
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  kind
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  of
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  funny
• 0:16
  you,
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  you
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  didn't
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  even
• 0:17
  bother
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  to
• 0:18
  come
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  all
• 0:18
  the
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  way
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  back
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  to
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  the
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  east
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  coast
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  after
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  the
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  Seattle
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  show.
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  You're,
• 0:21
  you're
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  hunkered
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  down
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  in
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  a
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  hotel
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  in
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  Denver
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  watching
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  the
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  snow.
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  Yeah,
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  I
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  got
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  in
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  late
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  at
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  night
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  and
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  it
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  was
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  snowing
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  when
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  we
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  landed
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  at
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  about
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  one
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  in
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  the
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  morning
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  and
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  it
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  snowed
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  all
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  day
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  today.
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  And
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  I
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  was
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  lucky.
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  I
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  had
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  work,
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  you
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  know,
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  with
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  emails
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  and
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  things
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  going
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  on.
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  So
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  I've
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  been
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  kind
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  of
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  busy
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  on
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  the
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  computer
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  most
• 0:39
  of
• 0:39
  the
• 0:39
  day
• 0:39
  here.
• 0:40
  Yeah,
• 0:41
  and
• 0:41
  it's,
• 0:41
  it's
• 0:41
  funny.
• 0:41
  So
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  you've
• 0:42
  got
• 0:42
  a
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  couple
• 0:42
  more
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  kind
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  of
• 0:43
  like
• 0:43
  take
• 0:43
  it
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  easy
• 0:44
  work
• 0:44
  days
• 0:44
  and
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  then
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  I
• 0:44
  guess
• 0:45
  Thursday
• 0:45
  you're
• 0:45
  going
• 0:45
  to
• 0:45
  teach
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  your
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  all
• 0:46
  day
• 0:46
  casting
• 0:47
  class
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  with
• 0:48
  Gary
• 0:48
  and
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  then
• 0:49
  you've
• 0:49
  got
• 0:49
  classes
• 0:50
  and
• 0:50
  presentations
• 0:50
  and
• 0:51
  demos
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  for
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  the
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  entire
• 0:52
  weekend
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  at
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  the
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  Denver
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  fly
• 0:53
  fishing
• 0:53
  show,
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  right?
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  Yeah,
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  that's
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  correct.
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  And
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  then
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  I'll
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  be
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  back
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  in
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  the
• 0:57
  hotel
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  room
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  before
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  we
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  fly
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  to
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  San
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  Francisco,
• 1:00
  do
• 1:00
  it
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  all
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  again
• 1:00
  the
• 1:00
  next
• 1:01
  weekend.
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  But
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  yeah,
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  I
• 1:02
  think
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  I'm
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  here
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  10
• 1:03
  days
• 1:04
  in
• 1:04
  Denver,
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  so
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  yeah,
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  it'll
• 1:07
  be
• 1:07
  fun.
• 1:07
  I'm
• 1:07
  really
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  looking
• 1:08
  forward
• 1:08
  to
• 1:08
  the
• 1:08
  show.
• 1:09
  Yeah.
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  So
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  if
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  you
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  have
• 1:10
  a
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  super
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  fan
• 1:11
  in
• 1:11
  Denver,
• 1:11
  they
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  should
• 1:12
  reach
• 1:12
  out
• 1:12
  to
• 1:12
  you
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  on
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  Instagram
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  and
• 1:13
  take
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  you
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  out
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  to
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  dinner
• 1:14
  while
• 1:14
  you're
• 1:14
  hanging
• 1:14
  out
• 1:15
  in
• 1:15
  Denver
• 1:15
  waiting
• 1:15
  to
• 1:15
  get
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  back
• 1:16
  to
• 1:16
  San
• 1:16
  Francisco,
• 1:17
  right?
• 1:18
  Oh
• 1:18
  yeah,
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  no,
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  we're
• 1:19
  going
• 1:19
  to
• 1:19
  have
• 1:19
  10
• 1:20
  days.
• 1:20
  I'm
• 1:20
  going
• 1:20
  to
• 1:20
  call
• 1:21
  my
• 1:21
  sister
• 1:21
  in
• 1:21
  law
• 1:21
  nieces
• 1:22
  and
• 1:22
  maybe
• 1:23
  they'll
• 1:23
  come
• 1:23
  up
• 1:23
  from
• 1:24
  Colorado
• 1:24
  Springs
• 1:24
  when
• 1:24
  we're
• 1:25
  at
• 1:25
  the
• 1:25
  Gaylord.
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  Yeah.
• 1:26
  Well,
• 1:26
  there
• 1:27
  you
• 1:27
  go,
• 1:27
  you
• 1:27
  know.
• 1:27
  Well,
• 1:27
  it's
• 1:27
  funny,
• 1:28
  before
• 1:28
  we
• 1:28
  started
• 1:28
  recording,
• 1:29
  you
• 1:29
  know,
• 1:29
  with
• 1:29
  you
• 1:30
  being
• 1:30
  on
• 1:30
  the
• 1:31
  road
• 1:31
  teaching
• 1:31
  and
• 1:31
  I'm
• 1:31
  working
• 1:32
  on
• 1:32
  the
• 1:32
  presentations
• 1:33
  I'm
• 1:33
  going
• 1:33
  to
• 1:33
  give
• 1:33
  in
• 1:33
  Denver
• 1:34
  this
• 1:34
  weekend,
• 1:34
  you
• 1:35
  know,
• 1:35
  we
• 1:35
  were
• 1:35
  kind
• 1:35
  of
• 1:35
  talking
• 1:36
  about,
• 1:37
  I
• 1:37
  guess
• 1:37
  really
• 1:37
  kind
• 1:38
  of
• 1:38
  our
• 1:38
  thoughts
• 1:38
  on
• 1:39
  kind
• 1:39
  of,
• 1:39
  you
• 1:39
  know,
• 1:40
  education.
• 1:41
  And
• 1:41
  this
• 1:42
  isn't
• 1:42
  really.
• 1:42
  Necessarily.
• 1:43
  Well,
• 1:43
  actually
• 1:44
  it
• 1:44
  definitely
• 1:45
  doesn't
• 1:45
  apply
• 1:45
  only
• 1:45
  to
• 1:45
  fly
• 1:46
  fishing.
• 1:46
  But
• 1:46
  you
• 1:46
  know,
• 1:46
  one
• 1:47
  of
• 1:47
  the
• 1:47
  things
• 1:47
  I
• 1:47
  think
• 1:47
  we've
• 1:48
  done
• 1:48
  in
• 1:49
  fly
• 1:49
  fishing
• 1:49
  is
• 1:50
  in
• 1:50
  an
• 1:50
  effort
• 1:50
  to
• 1:52
  make
• 1:52
  things
• 1:52
  easy
• 1:53
  and
• 1:53
  accessible,
• 1:53
  we've
• 1:54
  actually
• 1:54
  kind
• 1:54
  of
• 1:55
  reduced
• 1:55
  them
• 1:55
  to
• 1:55
  the
• 1:55
  point
• 1:56
  where
• 1:56
  actually
• 1:56
  make
• 1:56
  it
• 1:57
  harder
• 1:57
  for
• 1:57
  people
• 1:58
  to
• 1:59
  actually
• 1:59
  learn
• 2:00
  and
• 2:00
  improve.
• 2:00
  And
• 2:00
  if
• 2:01
  we
• 2:01
  would
• 2:01
  focus
• 2:01
  a
• 2:01
  little
• 2:01
  bit
• 2:02
  more
• 2:02
  on
• 2:02
  teaching
• 2:02
  people
• 2:03
  why
• 2:03
  they're
• 2:03
  doing
• 2:04
  what
• 2:04
  they're
• 2:04
  doing,
• 2:05
  they
• 2:05
  would
• 2:05
  be
• 2:06
  more
• 2:06
  successful
• 2:07
  learners,
• 2:07
  and
• 2:07
  they'd
• 2:07
  be
• 2:08
  able
• 2:08
  to
• 2:08
  figure
• 2:08
  out
• 2:08
  things
• 2:08
  on
• 2:08
  their
• 2:09
  own
• 2:09
  when
• 2:09
  they
• 2:09
  weren't
• 2:09
  with
• 2:10
  people
• 2:10
  to
• 2:10
  give
• 2:10
  them
• 2:10
  the
• 2:11
  answers.
• 2:12
  Yeah,
• 2:13
  I
• 2:13
  think
• 2:13
  that's
• 2:14
  true
• 2:14
  in
• 2:14
  everything
• 2:15
  in
• 2:16
  life.
• 2:16
  I
• 2:16
  mean,
• 2:16
  we
• 2:17
  can
• 2:17
  talk
• 2:17
  about
• 2:17
  it
• 2:17
  since
• 2:18
  it's
• 2:18
  a
• 2:19
  podcast
• 2:19
  for
• 2:19
  fly
• 2:20
  fishing,
• 2:20
  related
• 2:20
  to
• 2:21
  fly
• 2:21
  fishing,
• 2:21
  but
• 2:21
  it
• 2:21
  would
• 2:22
  relate
• 2:22
  to,
• 2:22
  you
• 2:22
  know,
• 2:23
  whatever,
• 2:23
  whether
• 2:23
  it's
• 2:23
  an
• 2:24
  elite
• 2:24
  runner
• 2:24
  or
• 2:25
  pole
• 2:26
  vaulter,
• 2:26
  whatever
• 2:26
  it
• 2:27
  is
• 2:27
  that
• 2:27
  people
• 2:27
  like
• 2:28
  doing,
• 2:28
  you
• 2:28
  know,
• 2:29
  to
• 2:29
  understand
• 2:29
  the
• 2:29
  where,
• 2:30
  when,
• 2:31
  what,
• 2:31
  how,
• 2:31
  and
• 2:32
  why's
• 2:32
  behind
• 2:33
  it.
• 2:33
  And
• 2:34
  that's
• 2:35
  kind
• 2:35
  of
• 2:35
  in
• 2:35
  fly
• 2:36
  fishing.
• 2:36
  I
• 2:36
  know
• 2:36
  it's
• 2:37
  definitely
• 2:37
  exploded
• 2:38
  that
• 2:38
  way
• 2:38
  just
• 2:39
  with
• 2:39
  the
• 2:40
  social
• 2:40
  media
• 2:41
  stuff.
• 2:41
  And
• 2:41
  you
• 2:41
  can
• 2:42
  go
• 2:42
  to
• 2:42
  YouTube
• 2:42
  or
• 2:43
  Instagram
• 2:43
  and
• 2:43
  watch
• 2:44
  all
• 2:44
  these
• 2:44
  people
• 2:44
  doing
• 2:44
  something,
• 2:45
  and
• 2:45
  it's
• 2:45
  like,
• 2:46
  I
• 2:46
  feel
• 2:46
  like
• 2:47
  it's
• 2:48
  scary
• 2:48
  having
• 2:49
  kids
• 2:49
  these
• 2:49
  days.
• 2:49
  Like,
• 2:49
  my
• 2:50
  kids
• 2:50
  are
• 2:51
  19
• 2:51
  and
• 2:52
  15
• 2:52
  now,
• 2:52
  and
• 2:53
  they've,
• 2:53
  you
• 2:53
  know,
• 2:53
  they
• 2:53
  look
• 2:54
  at
• 2:54
  the
• 2:54
  bottom
• 2:54
  of
• 2:54
  the
• 2:54
  pyramid
• 2:55
  kind
• 2:55
  of
• 2:55
  stuff
• 2:55
  all
• 2:56
  the
• 2:56
  time.
• 2:56
  Which
• 2:56
  is.
• 2:57
  Which
• 2:57
  is
• 2:57
  tough
• 2:58
  because,
• 2:58
  like,
• 2:58
  on.
• 2:59
  On
• 2:59
  something
• 3:00
  like
• 3:00
  that
• 3:00
  for
• 3:01
  relating
• 3:02
  it
• 3:02
  to,
• 3:02
  say,
• 3:02
  casting
• 3:03
  or
• 3:03
  whatever
• 3:03
  it
• 3:03
  is.
• 3:04
  If
• 3:04
  you
• 3:04
  hear
• 3:04
  a
• 3:05
  hundred
• 3:05
  opinions,
• 3:05
  how
• 3:05
  do
• 3:05
  you
• 3:06
  know
• 3:06
  the
• 3:06
  four
• 3:06
  that
• 3:06
  were
• 3:06
  good?
• 3:07
  Or
• 3:07
  how
• 3:08
  do
• 3:08
  you
• 3:08
  know
• 3:08
  the
• 3:08
  four
• 3:08
  that
• 3:08
  were
• 3:09
  good
• 3:09
  to
• 3:09
  watch?
• 3:09
  And
• 3:09
  I
• 3:09
  think
• 3:10
  that,
• 3:11
  you
• 3:11
  know,
• 3:11
  I'm
• 3:12
  not
• 3:12
  trying
• 3:12
  to
• 3:12
  harp
• 3:12
  on
• 3:13
  the
• 3:14
  social
• 3:14
  media
• 3:14
  stuff,
• 3:15
  but
• 3:15
  just
• 3:15
  we
• 3:15
  didn't
• 3:15
  grow
• 3:15
  up
• 3:16
  with
• 3:16
  it,
• 3:16
  and
• 3:16
  I
• 3:17
  think
• 3:17
  that
• 3:17
  that
• 3:17
  would
• 3:17
  make
• 3:18
  life
• 3:18
  much
• 3:18
  more
• 3:18
  difficult
• 3:20
  if
• 3:20
  we
• 3:20
  were
• 3:20
  back
• 3:21
  at
• 3:21
  that
• 3:21
  time
• 3:21
  period
• 3:22
  trying
• 3:22
  to
• 3:22
  learn
• 3:22
  what
• 3:22
  we
• 3:22
  do
• 3:23
  today.
• 3:23
  I
• 3:24
  think
• 3:24
  it
• 3:24
  would
• 3:24
  add
• 3:24
  to
• 3:25
  confusion
• 3:25
  more
• 3:25
  than
• 3:26
  skyrocket
• 3:26
  us
• 3:26
  forward.
• 3:27
  So,
• 3:27
  I
• 3:27
  mean,
• 3:28
  I
• 3:28
  had
• 3:28
  really
• 3:29
  good
• 3:29
  mentors
• 3:30
  when
• 3:30
  I
• 3:30
  was
• 3:30
  a
• 3:30
  kid,
• 3:31
  and
• 3:32
  so
• 3:32
  I
• 3:32
  didn't
• 3:32
  have
• 3:32
  to
• 3:33
  go
• 3:33
  through
• 3:33
  all
• 3:33
  that.
• 3:33
  I
• 3:33
  got
• 3:33
  the
• 3:34
  pearls
• 3:34
  that
• 3:34
  were
• 3:34
  up
• 3:34
  towards
• 3:35
  the
• 3:35
  top
• 3:35
  right
• 3:35
  away
• 3:36
  from
• 3:36
  people
• 3:36
  that
• 3:36
  knew
• 3:36
  how
• 3:36
  to
• 3:37
  deliver
• 3:37
  it.
• 3:37
  So
• 3:38
  I
• 3:38
  think
• 3:38
  that
• 3:39
  makes
• 3:39
  a
• 3:39
  big,
• 3:39
  big
• 3:39
  difference
• 3:40
  in
• 3:40
  education.
• 3:40
  And
• 3:41
  I
• 3:41
  just
• 3:41
  think
• 3:41
  that
• 3:41
  that's
• 3:42
  part
• 3:42
  of
• 3:42
  what.
• 3:43
  What
• 3:43
  education,
• 3:43
  you
• 3:43
  know,
• 3:44
  is
• 3:44
  about
• 3:44
  then,
• 3:45
  to
• 3:45
  help
• 3:45
  us
• 3:45
  learn
• 3:46
  to
• 3:46
  discern
• 3:46
  that
• 3:47
  of
• 3:47
  what
• 3:47
  was
• 3:47
  good
• 3:47
  and
• 3:48
  bad.
• 3:48
  And
• 3:48
  so
• 3:48
  usually
• 3:48
  I
• 3:49
  look
• 3:49
  at
• 3:49
  it
• 3:49
  in
• 3:49
  casting
• 3:50
  and
• 3:50
  fishing
• 3:51
  stuff
• 3:51
  about
• 3:51
  results.
• 3:52
  Like
• 3:52
  if
• 3:52
  somebody
• 3:53
  does
• 3:53
  it
• 3:53
  and
• 3:53
  looks
• 3:54
  like
• 3:54
  they
• 3:54
  have
• 3:55
  control
• 3:55
  of,
• 3:56
  say,
• 3:56
  a
• 3:56
  rod
• 3:56
  tip,
• 3:57
  and
• 3:57
  they
• 3:57
  can
• 3:57
  make
• 3:57
  the
• 3:57
  line
• 3:58
  do
• 3:58
  whatever
• 3:58
  they're
• 3:58
  talking
• 3:58
  about
• 3:59
  making
• 3:59
  it
• 3:59
  do,
• 3:59
  and
• 3:59
  it
• 4:00
  doesn't
• 4:00
  take
• 4:00
  them
• 4:00
  five
• 4:00
  or
• 4:00
  10
• 4:01
  tries.
• 4:01
  Chances
• 4:01
  are
• 4:01
  they
• 4:02
  understand
• 4:02
  how
• 4:02
  it's
• 4:02
  working.
• 4:04
  Yeah,
• 4:04
  but
• 4:04
  I
• 4:04
  think
• 4:05
  too,
• 4:05
  you
• 4:05
  know,
• 4:05
  it's.
• 4:06
  You
• 4:07
  know,
• 4:07
  it's
• 4:07
  really
• 4:07
  about
• 4:07
  giving
• 4:08
  people
• 4:08
  the
• 4:08
  framework
• 4:08
  as
• 4:09
  opposed
• 4:09
  to,
• 4:09
  like,
• 4:10
  kind
• 4:10
  of
• 4:10
  the
• 4:10
  example
• 4:10
  I
• 4:10
  always
• 4:11
  use
• 4:11
  is,
• 4:11
  you
• 4:11
  know,
• 4:11
  when
• 4:11
  you
• 4:11
  go
• 4:12
  to
• 4:12
  the
• 4:12
  river,
• 4:12
  do
• 4:12
  you
• 4:12
  really
• 4:12
  Want
• 4:13
  to
• 4:13
  take
• 4:13
  the
• 4:13
  Encyclopedia
• 4:14
  Britannica
• 4:14
  with
• 4:14
  you?
• 4:15
  And
• 4:16
  a
• 4:16
  really
• 4:16
  simple
• 4:16
  example
• 4:17
  we
• 4:17
  were
• 4:17
  talking
• 4:17
  about
• 4:18
  before
• 4:18
  we
• 4:18
  started
• 4:18
  recording
• 4:19
  is
• 4:20
  if
• 4:20
  you
• 4:20
  know
• 4:21
  that
• 4:21
  the
• 4:21
  water
• 4:22
  at
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  surface
• 4:22
  of
• 4:23
  the
• 4:23
  creek
• 4:23
  or
• 4:23
  the
• 4:23
  river
• 4:23
  is
• 4:23
  moving
• 4:24
  faster
• 4:24
  than
• 4:25
  the
• 4:25
  water
• 4:25
  on
• 4:25
  the
• 4:25
  bottom,
• 4:26
  you
• 4:27
  can
• 4:27
  self
• 4:27
  solve
• 4:28
  for
• 4:28
  a
• 4:28
  lot
• 4:28
  of
• 4:28
  problems,
• 4:29
  right,
• 4:30
  like
• 4:30
  you
• 4:30
  and
• 4:30
  I
• 4:30
  were
• 4:30
  talking
• 4:30
  about,
• 4:31
  like,
• 4:31
  if
• 4:31
  you're
• 4:32
  nymphing
• 4:33
  and
• 4:33
  you
• 4:33
  know
• 4:33
  that
• 4:33
  that's
• 4:34
  true,
• 4:34
  and
• 4:34
  that's
• 4:34
  a
• 4:35
  law
• 4:35
  of
• 4:35
  physics,
• 4:36
  then
• 4:36
  you
• 4:37
  know,
• 4:37
  what
• 4:37
  does
• 4:37
  that
• 4:37
  tell
• 4:37
  you
• 4:38
  about
• 4:38
  how
• 4:38
  your
• 4:38
  indicator
• 4:39
  should
• 4:39
  be
• 4:39
  moving
• 4:40
  in
• 4:40
  relation
• 4:40
  to
• 4:40
  the
• 4:40
  bubbles
• 4:41
  and
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  leaves
• 4:41
  on
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  top
• 4:42
  of
• 4:42
  the
• 4:42
  water?
• 4:43
  And
• 4:43
  I
• 4:43
  think
• 4:43
  there
• 4:44
  are
• 4:44
  all
• 4:44
  sorts
• 4:44
  of
• 4:44
  little
• 4:44
  things
• 4:45
  like
• 4:45
  that
• 4:45
  as
• 4:45
  opposed
• 4:45
  to
• 4:46
  saying,
• 4:46
  well,
• 4:46
  why
• 4:46
  should
• 4:47
  I
• 4:47
  fish
• 4:48
  here
• 4:48
  or
• 4:48
  fish
• 4:49
  there?
• 4:49
  I
• 4:49
  mean,
• 4:49
  you
• 4:49
  know
• 4:49
  this,
• 4:50
  Matt,
• 4:50
  because
• 4:50
  I
• 4:50
  think
• 4:50
  you
• 4:50
  sat
• 4:51
  in
• 4:51
  on
• 4:51
  the
• 4:51
  talk
• 4:52
  that
• 4:52
  I've
• 4:52
  given
• 4:53
  before
• 4:53
  about
• 4:53
  trout
• 4:54
  food
• 4:54
  and
• 4:54
  you.
• 4:54
  Right,
• 4:55
  and
• 4:55
  it's
• 4:55
  like
• 4:55
  people
• 4:55
  try
• 4:56
  to
• 4:56
  make
• 4:56
  it
• 4:56
  really
• 4:57
  too
• 4:57
  hard.
• 4:57
  And
• 4:57
  it's
• 4:57
  like,
• 4:57
  you
• 4:57
  know,
• 4:58
  what's
• 4:58
  the
• 4:58
  trout
• 4:58
  doing?
• 4:59
  What's
• 4:59
  the
• 4:59
  food
• 5:00
  doing?
• 5:00
  So
• 5:00
  what
• 5:00
  should
• 5:01
  you
• 5:01
  do?
• 5:02
  And
• 5:02
  you
• 5:02
  know,
• 5:03
  that's
• 5:03
  right.
• 5:03
  Take
• 5:03
  that
• 5:04
  framework
• 5:04
  to
• 5:04
  the
• 5:04
  water.
• 5:05
  And
• 5:05
  you
• 5:05
  know
• 5:05
  what,
• 5:05
  regardless
• 5:06
  of
• 5:06
  when
• 5:06
  and
• 5:06
  where
• 5:07
  you're
• 5:07
  fishing,
• 5:07
  with
• 5:08
  a
• 5:08
  little
• 5:08
  bit
• 5:08
  of
• 5:08
  basic
• 5:09
  knowledge
• 5:09
  about
• 5:10
  trout
• 5:10
  and
• 5:10
  food
• 5:10
  behavior,
• 5:11
  you're
• 5:11
  going
• 5:12
  to
• 5:12
  be
• 5:12
  way
• 5:12
  more
• 5:12
  successful.
• 5:14
  That's
• 5:15
  right.
• 5:15
  I
• 5:15
  think
• 5:16
  that's
• 5:16
  really
• 5:16
  true.
• 5:16
  And
• 5:18
  I
• 5:18
  was
• 5:18
  excited
• 5:19
  to
• 5:19
  spend
• 5:19
  time
• 5:20
  with
• 5:20
  Maxine
• 5:20
  and
• 5:20
  her
• 5:20
  daddy,
• 5:21
  Glenn
• 5:21
  McCormick,
• 5:23
  up
• 5:23
  there
• 5:23
  in
• 5:24
  Seattle.
• 5:24
  And
• 5:25
  she's
• 5:25
  a
• 5:25
  senior
• 5:26
  in
• 5:26
  college
• 5:26
  now,
• 5:26
  and
• 5:26
  she
• 5:27
  was
• 5:27
  telling
• 5:27
  me
• 5:27
  she's
• 5:27
  going
• 5:27
  to
• 5:27
  be
• 5:28
  a
• 5:28
  biology
• 5:28
  major.
• 5:29
  And
• 5:29
  Gary
• 5:30
  was
• 5:30
  standing
• 5:30
  right
• 5:30
  there,
• 5:30
  you
• 5:31
  know,
• 5:32
  he
• 5:32
  taught
• 5:32
  biology
• 5:33
  for
• 5:33
  a
• 5:33
  career
• 5:35
  at
• 5:35
  the
• 5:35
  college
• 5:36
  up
• 5:36
  there
• 5:36
  in
• 5:36
  Wisconsin.
• 5:37
  And
• 5:38
  I
• 5:38
  told
• 5:38
  her,
• 5:38
  I
• 5:39
  said,
• 5:39
  what
• 5:39
  a
• 5:39
  wonderful
• 5:39
  thing,
• 5:40
  I
• 5:40
  said,
• 5:40
  because
• 5:40
  she
• 5:40
  loves
• 5:41
  to
• 5:41
  fish
• 5:41
  and
• 5:42
  cast,
• 5:42
  of
• 5:42
  course,
• 5:42
  naturally,
• 5:43
  she's
• 5:44
  one
• 5:45
  of
• 5:45
  the
• 5:45
  best,
• 5:45
  most
• 5:46
  successful
• 5:46
  casters
• 5:46
  in
• 5:47
  the
• 5:47
  history
• 5:47
  of
• 5:47
  the
• 5:47
  sport.
• 5:48
  And
• 5:48
  I
• 5:49
  thought,
• 5:49
  what
• 5:49
  a
• 5:49
  wonderful
• 5:49
  thing
• 5:50
  to
• 5:50
  work
• 5:50
  off
• 5:50
  that
• 5:51
  dichotomous
• 5:51
  chart.
• 5:52
  Of
• 5:52
  course,
• 5:53
  Gary's
• 5:54
  early
• 5:54
  books,
• 5:54
  that's
• 5:54
  what
• 5:55
  they
• 5:56
  were
• 5:56
  always
• 5:56
  talking
• 5:56
  about
• 5:56
  in
• 5:57
  the
• 5:57
  nymphing
• 5:57
  books
• 5:58
  about
• 5:58
  simple,
• 5:58
  yes,
• 5:59
  no
• 5:59
  questions
• 5:59
  to
• 5:59
  put
• 6:00
  people
• 6:00
  where
• 6:00
  they
• 6:00
  need
• 6:00
  to
• 6:00
  be.
• 6:01
  So
• 6:02
  it
• 6:02
  helps
• 6:02
  establish
• 6:02
  process.
• 6:03
  And
• 6:04
  her
• 6:04
  eyes
• 6:04
  lit
• 6:04
  up
• 6:05
  and
• 6:05
  we
• 6:05
  started
• 6:05
  talking
• 6:05
  about
• 6:06
  the
• 6:07
  simple,
• 6:07
  yes,
• 6:07
  no,
• 6:08
  you
• 6:08
  know,
• 6:09
  questions.
• 6:09
  And
• 6:09
  I
• 6:09
  think
• 6:10
  that
• 6:10
  she
• 6:10
  has
• 6:10
  totally
• 6:11
  the
• 6:11
  right
• 6:11
  framework
• 6:12
  because
• 6:12
  she's
• 6:12
  not
• 6:12
  looking
• 6:12
  at
• 6:13
  YouTube
• 6:13
  to
• 6:13
  go
• 6:13
  get
• 6:13
  that.
• 6:14
  You
• 6:14
  know,
• 6:14
  she's
• 6:14
  actually
• 6:14
  getting
• 6:15
  educated
• 6:15
  in
• 6:15
  how
• 6:16
  to
• 6:16
  apply
• 6:16
  that.
• 6:17
  And
• 6:17
  so
• 6:17
  even
• 6:18
  though
• 6:18
  it's
• 6:18
  in
• 6:19
  biology,
• 6:19
  that
• 6:20
  will
• 6:20
  definitely
• 6:21
  catapult
• 6:22
  her,
• 6:22
  you
• 6:22
  know,
• 6:23
  really
• 6:23
  at
• 6:23
  a
• 6:23
  rapid
• 6:24
  rate
• 6:25
  as
• 6:25
  she
• 6:26
  gets
• 6:26
  more
• 6:26
  time
• 6:26
  to
• 6:27
  fish
• 6:27
  and
• 6:27
  stuff
• 6:28
  after
• 6:28
  she's
• 6:28
  out
• 6:28
  of
• 6:28
  college,
• 6:29
  you
• 6:29
  know,
• 6:30
  So
• 6:30
  I
• 6:31
  think
• 6:31
  that's
• 6:31
  a
• 6:31
  beautiful
• 6:32
  thing.
• 6:32
  Yeah,
• 6:33
  absolutely.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:34
  it's
• 6:34
  interesting,
• 6:34
  too,
• 6:35
  because
• 6:35
  it
• 6:35
  makes
• 6:35
  me
• 6:35
  think
• 6:35
  about
• 6:36
  that
• 6:37
  casting
• 6:38
  class
• 6:38
  we
• 6:38
  put
• 6:38
  together,
• 6:39
  how
• 6:39
  we
• 6:39
  didn't
• 6:39
  try
• 6:39
  to
• 6:39
  do
• 6:40
  everything
• 6:40
  right.
• 6:40
  And
• 6:40
  we
• 6:41
  just
• 6:41
  worked
• 6:41
  on
• 6:42
  teaching
• 6:43
  a
• 6:43
  system
• 6:43
  for
• 6:44
  understanding
• 6:44
  casting
• 6:45
  in
• 6:45
  the
• 6:45
  vertical
• 6:45
  plane
• 6:46
  and
• 6:46
  understanding
• 6:47
  basically
• 6:48
  arm
• 6:48
  movement,
• 6:49
  shoulder
• 6:49
  movement
• 6:49
  and
• 6:50
  wrist
• 6:50
  movement
• 6:50
  and
• 6:51
  on
• 6:51
  the
• 6:51
  forward
• 6:51
  and
• 6:51
  the
• 6:51
  back
• 6:51
  cast
• 6:52
  has
• 6:53
  helped
• 6:53
  to
• 6:53
  help
• 6:53
  people
• 6:54
  establish
• 6:54
  that.
• 6:55
  Why
• 6:56
  baseline
• 6:56
  that.
• 6:57
  Then
• 6:57
  they
• 6:57
  can
• 6:57
  go
• 6:57
  and
• 6:57
  they
• 6:57
  can
• 6:57
  start
• 6:58
  varying
• 6:58
  things
• 6:59
  off
• 6:59
  of
• 6:59
  that.
• 6:59
  But
• 6:59
  if
• 6:59
  you
• 7:00
  don't
• 7:00
  have
• 7:00
  that
• 7:01
  foundation,
• 7:02
  it's
• 7:03
  really
• 7:03
  hard
• 7:03
  if
• 7:03
  people
• 7:04
  are
• 7:04
  showing
• 7:04
  you.
• 7:04
  Well,
• 7:04
  like,
• 7:05
  this
• 7:05
  is
• 7:05
  how
• 7:05
  you
• 7:05
  do
• 7:05
  horizontal.
• 7:06
  This
• 7:06
  is
• 7:06
  vertical.
• 7:06
  This
• 7:07
  is
• 7:07
  slightly
• 7:07
  off
• 7:07
  vertical.
• 7:08
  This
• 7:08
  is
• 7:08
  curve
• 7:08
  cast
• 7:09
  because
• 7:09
  it's.
• 7:09
  There's
• 7:09
  no
• 7:10
  framework
• 7:10
  there.
• 7:11
  Right,
• 7:12
  right.
• 7:13
  That's
• 7:13
  right.
• 7:13
  And
• 7:14
  they're
• 7:14
  all
• 7:14
  different
• 7:14
  body
• 7:15
  parts.
• 7:15
  And.
• 7:16
  Yeah,
• 7:16
  man,
• 7:17
  that's
• 7:17
  been
• 7:17
  part
• 7:17
  of
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  problem.
• 7:18
  There's
• 7:18
  been
• 7:19
  way
• 7:19
  too
• 7:19
  much
• 7:19
  said
• 7:21
  probably
• 7:21
  in
• 7:21
  our
• 7:21
  sport
• 7:22
  about
• 7:23
  trying
• 7:24
  to
• 7:24
  explain,
• 7:24
  like,
• 7:24
  what
• 7:25
  does
• 7:25
  it
• 7:25
  take
• 7:25
  to
• 7:25
  form
• 7:26
  a
• 7:26
  nice
• 7:26
  loop
• 7:26
  and
• 7:27
  very
• 7:27
  little
• 7:27
  on
• 7:28
  what's
• 7:28
  the
• 7:28
  body
• 7:29
  supposed
• 7:29
  to
• 7:29
  move
• 7:29
  like.
• 7:30
  And
• 7:30
  I
• 7:30
  keep
• 7:30
  thinking
• 7:30
  that
• 7:31
  all
• 7:31
  the
• 7:31
  older
• 7:31
  I
• 7:31
  get
• 7:32
  going,
• 7:32
  you
• 7:32
  know,
• 7:32
  golf
• 7:33
  or
• 7:33
  tennis
• 7:33
  or
• 7:33
  any
• 7:33
  other
• 7:34
  elite
• 7:34
  sport,
• 7:35
  they're
• 7:35
  going
• 7:36
  to
• 7:36
  have
• 7:36
  a
• 7:36
  coach
• 7:36
  to
• 7:36
  do
• 7:36
  what,
• 7:37
  go
• 7:37
  back
• 7:37
  and
• 7:37
  address
• 7:38
  body
• 7:38
  first,
• 7:39
  because
• 7:39
  it's
• 7:39
  all
• 7:40
  coming
• 7:40
  from
• 7:40
  the
• 7:40
  body.
• 7:41
  So.
• 7:42
  So
• 7:42
  maybe,
• 7:42
  maybe
• 7:43
  more
• 7:43
  emphasis
• 7:44
  on
• 7:44
  that
• 7:44
  down
• 7:44
  the
• 7:44
  road
• 7:44
  would
• 7:44
  help
• 7:45
  people
• 7:45
  a
• 7:45
  lot.
• 7:45
  You
• 7:46
  know,
• 7:46
  talking
• 7:46
  about
• 7:48
  the
• 7:48
  simplicity
• 7:48
  of
• 7:49
  the
• 7:49
  movement,
• 7:49
  because
• 7:50
  the
• 7:50
  movement
• 7:50
  the
• 7:50
  body
• 7:50
  produces,
• 7:51
  of
• 7:51
  course,
• 7:51
  controls
• 7:52
  the
• 7:52
  rod.
• 7:52
  The
• 7:52
  rod
• 7:53
  controls
• 7:53
  the
• 7:53
  line.
• 7:54
  You
• 7:54
  mean
• 7:54
  it's.
• 7:54
  The
• 7:55
  rod
• 7:55
  tip
• 7:55
  is
• 7:55
  basically
• 7:56
  then
• 7:57
  the.
• 7:57
  The
• 7:57
  big
• 7:58
  player
• 7:59
  in
• 7:59
  all
• 7:59
  of
• 7:59
  this
• 7:59
  equation.
• 8:00
  And
• 8:00
  whatever
• 8:01
  the.
• 8:01
  Whatever
• 8:02
  the
• 8:02
  rod
• 8:02
  tip
• 8:03
  is
• 8:04
  going
• 8:04
  to
• 8:04
  do,
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  line
• 8:05
  has
• 8:05
  to
• 8:05
  react
• 8:05
  to
• 8:05
  that,
• 8:06
  you
• 8:07
  know,
• 8:07
  so
• 8:07
  that
• 8:07
  doesn't
• 8:08
  mean.
• 8:08
  I
• 8:08
  didn't
• 8:08
  say
• 8:08
  the
• 8:09
  line
• 8:09
  follows
• 8:09
  a
• 8:09
  rod
• 8:10
  tip.
• 8:10
  The
• 8:10
  reality
• 8:11
  is,
• 8:11
  because
• 8:11
  that's
• 8:12
  been
• 8:12
  said
• 8:12
  a
• 8:12
  long,
• 8:12
  long
• 8:13
  time
• 8:13
  wrong.
• 8:14
  But
• 8:14
  what
• 8:15
  we're
• 8:15
  saying
• 8:15
  is
• 8:16
  whatever
• 8:16
  the
• 8:16
  action
• 8:16
  you
• 8:17
  give
• 8:17
  a
• 8:17
  rod
• 8:17
  tip,
• 8:18
  the
• 8:18
  momentum
• 8:18
  you
• 8:18
  create
• 8:19
  with
• 8:19
  the
• 8:19
  rod
• 8:20
  tip,
• 8:20
  whether
• 8:20
  that's
• 8:20
  a
• 8:21
  curve
• 8:21
  cast
• 8:21
  with
• 8:21
  a
• 8:21
  mend
• 8:23
  during
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  stroke
• 8:23
  or
• 8:24
  after
• 8:24
  the
• 8:24
  stroke,
• 8:25
  that's
• 8:26
  what's
• 8:26
  going
• 8:26
  to
• 8:26
  dictate
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  overall
• 8:28
  result.
• 8:29
  And
• 8:30
  that's
• 8:30
  really,
• 8:31
  really
• 8:31
  powerful
• 8:31
  once
• 8:32
  people
• 8:32
  realize
• 8:32
  that,
• 8:33
  because
• 8:33
  it
• 8:33
  opens
• 8:33
  up
• 8:33
  another
• 8:34
  66%
• 8:35
  of
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  casts
• 8:35
  that
• 8:35
  exist
• 8:36
  other
• 8:37
  than
• 8:37
  the
• 8:37
  mentality
• 8:37
  of
• 8:38
  the
• 8:38
  person
• 8:38
  that
• 8:38
  listened
• 8:38
  to
• 8:39
  the
• 8:39
  saying
• 8:39
  that
• 8:40
  years
• 8:40
  ago.
• 8:40
  Well,
• 8:40
  the
• 8:40
  line
• 8:41
  goes
• 8:41
  where
• 8:41
  the
• 8:41
  rod
• 8:42
  tip
• 8:42
  goes.
• 8:43
  Well,
• 8:43
  if
• 8:43
  they'd
• 8:43
  believe
• 8:44
  that,
• 8:44
  they
• 8:44
  just
• 8:44
  lost
• 8:45
  the
• 8:45
  other
• 8:45
  66%.
• 8:46
  So
• 8:46
  you
• 8:46
  see
• 8:46
  the
• 8:47
  difference
• 8:47
  of
• 8:48
  understanding
• 8:48
  the
• 8:48
  where,
• 8:49
  when,
• 8:49
  high
• 8:49
  and
• 8:49
  what
• 8:50
  and
• 8:50
  whens.
• 8:51
  If
• 8:51
  they
• 8:51
  really
• 8:52
  understood
• 8:52
  that.
• 8:52
  Then
• 8:52
  they
• 8:53
  opened
• 8:53
  up
• 8:53
  another
• 8:53
  66%
• 8:54
  of
• 8:55
  solutions
• 8:56
  to
• 8:56
  problems
• 8:56
  that
• 8:56
  they
• 8:57
  will
• 8:57
  come
• 8:57
  up
• 8:57
  with
• 8:57
  on
• 8:58
  the
• 8:58
  water.
• 8:59
  Yeah.
• 9:00
  And
• 9:00
  it's
• 9:00
  amazing
• 9:00
  too,
• 9:01
  right?
• 9:01
  I
• 9:01
  mean,
• 9:01
  you
• 9:01
  know,
• 9:01
  you
• 9:02
  can't
• 9:02
  change
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  laws
• 9:03
  of
• 9:03
  physics.
• 9:03
  Right.
• 9:03
  And
• 9:04
  you
• 9:04
  generally
• 9:04
  can't
• 9:04
  change
• 9:05
  math
• 9:05
  either,
• 9:06
  right?
• 9:07
  That's
• 9:07
  right.
• 9:07
  That's
• 9:07
  why
• 9:08
  I
• 9:08
  like
• 9:08
  those
• 9:08
  subjects
• 9:08
  because
• 9:09
  they're
• 9:09
  basically
• 9:10
  black
• 9:10
  and
• 9:10
  white.
• 9:11
  Right.
• 9:11
  There's
• 9:12
  right
• 9:12
  and
• 9:12
  wrong
• 9:13
  and
• 9:13
  there's
• 9:13
  not
• 9:13
  a
• 9:13
  lot
• 9:14
  of
• 9:14
  gray
• 9:14
  area.
• 9:14
  Yeah.
• 9:15
  And
• 9:15
  so,
• 9:15
  you
• 9:15
  know,
• 9:16
  if
• 9:16
  you,
• 9:16
  if
• 9:16
  you'd
• 9:16
  like,
• 9:17
  you
• 9:17
  know,
• 9:17
  not
• 9:17
  to
• 9:17
  belabor
• 9:18
  the
• 9:18
  point
• 9:18
  on
• 9:18
  the
• 9:18
  casting
• 9:19
  front,
• 9:19
  but
• 9:19
  if
• 9:19
  you
• 9:20
  basically
• 9:20
  remember.
• 9:21
  Right.
• 9:21
  That
• 9:22
  for
• 9:22
  each
• 9:22
  action
• 9:22
  there's
• 9:23
  an
• 9:23
  equal
• 9:23
  and
• 9:23
  opposite
• 9:23
  reaction,
• 9:25
  and
• 9:25
  if
• 9:25
  you
• 9:26
  remember
• 9:26
  that
• 9:26
  force
• 9:27
  equals
• 9:27
  mass
• 9:28
  times
• 9:28
  acceleration,
• 9:30
  you
• 9:31
  can
• 9:31
  solve
• 9:31
  a
• 9:31
  lot
• 9:31
  of
• 9:32
  casting
• 9:32
  problems
• 9:33
  with
• 9:34
  just
• 9:34
  those
• 9:34
  two
• 9:34
  little
• 9:34
  pieces
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  information.
• 9:36
  Oh,
• 9:37
  yeah.
• 9:37
  Those
• 9:37
  really
• 9:38
  make
• 9:38
  a
• 9:38
  difference.
• 9:38
  But
• 9:39
  yeah,
• 9:39
  there's
• 9:40
  just
• 9:40
  so
• 9:40
  much
• 9:40
  out
• 9:41
  there
• 9:41
  that
• 9:41
  over
• 9:41
  time,
• 9:42
  I
• 9:42
  think
• 9:42
  what
• 9:42
  happens
• 9:43
  is
• 9:44
  concepts
• 9:45
  that
• 9:45
  were
• 9:46
  unique
• 9:47
  to
• 9:47
  put
• 9:47
  into
• 9:47
  your
• 9:48
  game,
• 9:48
  the
• 9:49
  more
• 9:49
  and
• 9:49
  more
• 9:49
  they
• 9:49
  get
• 9:49
  overly
• 9:50
  simplified,
• 9:50
  then
• 9:51
  a
• 9:51
  lot
• 9:51
  of
• 9:51
  times
• 9:51
  they
• 9:51
  say
• 9:52
  nothing
• 9:52
  at
• 9:52
  all.
• 9:53
  Because
• 9:54
  we
• 9:54
  can
• 9:54
  also
• 9:55
  go.
• 9:55
  I
• 9:55
  mean,
• 9:56
  I
• 9:56
  like,
• 9:56
  don't
• 9:56
  get
• 9:57
  me
• 9:57
  wrong,
• 9:57
  I
• 9:57
  like
• 9:57
  simplicity.
• 9:58
  When
• 9:58
  I
• 9:58
  teach,
• 9:58
  everything's
• 9:59
  really,
• 9:59
  really
• 10:00
  in
• 10:00
  a
• 10:00
  very
• 10:00
  simple.
• 10:02
  Said
• 10:02
  it
• 10:02
  in
• 10:02
  a
• 10:03
  very
• 10:03
  simple,
• 10:03
  understandable
• 10:04
  way.
• 10:04
  But
• 10:05
  what
• 10:05
  I'm
• 10:05
  trying
• 10:05
  to
• 10:05
  say
• 10:06
  is
• 10:06
  if
• 10:06
  the
• 10:06
  stuff
• 10:06
  that
• 10:07
  like
• 10:07
  on
• 10:07
  YouTube
• 10:07
  and
• 10:07
  you're
• 10:08
  trying
• 10:08
  to
• 10:08
  take
• 10:08
  a
• 10:08
  complex
• 10:09
  type
• 10:09
  of
• 10:10
  thing
• 10:10
  and
• 10:10
  put
• 10:11
  it
• 10:11
  in
• 10:11
  a
• 10:11
  little
• 10:11
  YouTube
• 10:11
  video
• 10:12
  in
• 10:12
  four
• 10:12
  minutes
• 10:12
  and
• 10:13
  leave
• 10:13
  out
• 10:13
  all
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  other,
• 10:13
  then
• 10:14
  we
• 10:14
  really
• 10:14
  didn't
• 10:14
  get
• 10:15
  across
• 10:15
  what
• 10:15
  we're
• 10:15
  supposed
• 10:15
  to
• 10:16
  get
• 10:16
  across.
• 10:17
  We
• 10:17
  can
• 10:17
  oversimplify.
• 10:18
  And
• 10:18
  then
• 10:19
  sometimes
• 10:19
  that
• 10:19
  does
• 10:19
  more
• 10:20
  damage
• 10:20
  than
• 10:20
  good
• 10:20
  too.
• 10:21
  Yeah,
• 10:21
  I
• 10:21
  think
• 10:22
  it's
• 10:22
  important,
• 10:22
  right.
• 10:23
  To
• 10:23
  understand.
• 10:23
  We
• 10:23
  were
• 10:23
  talking
• 10:24
  about
• 10:24
  this
• 10:24
  before
• 10:24
  we
• 10:24
  started
• 10:25
  recording,
• 10:25
  kind
• 10:25
  of
• 10:25
  the
• 10:26
  limitation
• 10:27
  of
• 10:28
  the
• 10:28
  models
• 10:29
  of
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  program.
• 10:29
  So,
• 10:30
  I
• 10:30
  mean,
• 10:30
  if
• 10:30
  you
• 10:30
  kind
• 10:30
  of
• 10:30
  think
• 10:30
  about
• 10:31
  it,
• 10:31
  there's
• 10:31
  kind
• 10:31
  of,
• 10:32
  you
• 10:32
  know,
• 10:32
  the
• 10:32
  center,
• 10:33
  you
• 10:33
  know,
• 10:33
  if
• 10:33
  you
• 10:33
  had
• 10:34
  three
• 10:34
  concentric
• 10:34
  circles,
• 10:35
  you've
• 10:35
  got
• 10:35
  like,
• 10:36
  you
• 10:36
  know,
• 10:36
  beginning
• 10:37
  casting
• 10:37
  concepts,
• 10:38
  and
• 10:38
  then
• 10:38
  outside
• 10:38
  of
• 10:38
  that,
• 10:39
  intermediate
• 10:39
  and
• 10:39
  outside
• 10:40
  of
• 10:40
  that
• 10:40
  advanced.
• 10:41
  You
• 10:41
  know,
• 10:42
  that's
• 10:42
  a
• 10:42
  way,
• 10:42
  you
• 10:42
  know,
• 10:43
  to
• 10:43
  try
• 10:43
  to
• 10:43
  kind
• 10:43
  of
• 10:43
  think
• 10:43
  about
• 10:44
  things
• 10:44
  where,
• 10:45
  you
• 10:45
  know,
• 10:45
  you
• 10:45
  kind
• 10:45
  of,
• 10:46
  for
• 10:46
  lack
• 10:46
  of
• 10:46
  a
• 10:46
  better
• 10:46
  word,
• 10:46
  have
• 10:47
  dogma.
• 10:47
  Whether
• 10:47
  it's
• 10:48
  casting
• 10:48
  dogma
• 10:49
  or
• 10:49
  other
• 10:49
  fly
• 10:49
  fishing
• 10:50
  dogma
• 10:50
  or
• 10:50
  dogma
• 10:51
  somewhere
• 10:51
  else.
• 10:52
  And
• 10:52
  you
• 10:52
  know,
• 10:52
  you
• 10:53
  say,
• 10:53
  well,
• 10:53
  I
• 10:53
  found
• 10:53
  an
• 10:53
  exception.
• 10:54
  Well,
• 10:54
  that
• 10:54
  probably
• 10:55
  means
• 10:55
  you
• 10:55
  probably
• 10:55
  need
• 10:55
  to
• 10:55
  move
• 10:56
  to
• 10:56
  an
• 10:56
  outside
• 10:56
  ring
• 10:57
  and
• 10:57
  start
• 10:57
  understanding
• 10:58
  kind
• 10:58
  of
• 10:58
  more
• 10:58
  concepts.
• 10:59
  Right?
• 11:01
  Yeah,
• 11:01
  Yeah.
• 11:02
  I
• 11:02
  think
• 11:02
  that's
• 11:02
  the
• 11:02
  way
• 11:03
  it
• 11:03
  usually
• 11:03
  works.
• 11:04
  Yeah,
• 11:05
  yeah.
• 11:06
  So
• 11:06
  each
• 11:06
  time
• 11:06
  you
• 11:07
  starts
• 11:07
  to
• 11:07
  have
• 11:07
  some
• 11:07
  new
• 11:08
  Question
• 11:08
  come
• 11:08
  up
• 11:09
  that
• 11:09
  challenge
• 11:10
  one
• 11:10
  of
• 11:10
  your
• 11:10
  old
• 11:10
  belief
• 11:11
  systems.
• 11:12
  Chances
• 11:12
  are
• 11:12
  your
• 11:13
  old
• 11:13
  belief
• 11:13
  system
• 11:14
  was
• 11:14
  one
• 11:14
  of
• 11:14
  the
• 11:14
  too
• 11:14
  simplistic
• 11:15
  a
• 11:15
  model
• 11:16
  and
• 11:16
  it
• 11:16
  was
• 11:16
  wrong.
• 11:17
  Then
• 11:18
  you
• 11:18
  understand
• 11:18
  the
• 11:19
  other
• 11:19
  one,
• 11:19
  Then
• 11:19
  you
• 11:20
  abandon
• 11:20
  the
• 11:20
  one
• 11:20
  you
• 11:21
  learned
• 11:21
  earlier,
• 11:21
  you
• 11:21
  know,
• 11:22
  so
• 11:22
  that's
• 11:22
  kind
• 11:23
  of
• 11:23
  how
• 11:23
  it
• 11:23
  works
• 11:23
  when
• 11:24
  the
• 11:24
  oversimplification
• 11:25
  starts
• 11:26
  to
• 11:26
  get
• 11:26
  challenged.
• 11:27
  But
• 11:27
  to
• 11:27
  do
• 11:27
  that
• 11:28
  also
• 11:28
  means
• 11:29
  to
• 11:30
  question,
• 11:31
  you
• 11:32
  know,
• 11:32
  question
• 11:32
  everything
• 11:33
  till
• 11:33
  it
• 11:34
  works
• 11:34
  in
• 11:34
  your
• 11:34
  world.
• 11:35
  And
• 11:35
  it's
• 11:35
  like
• 11:35
  once
• 11:35
  it
• 11:36
  works
• 11:36
  in
• 11:36
  your
• 11:36
  world,
• 11:37
  chances
• 11:37
  are
• 11:38
  you're
• 11:38
  getting
• 11:38
  on
• 11:38
  a
• 11:38
  path,
• 11:39
  you
• 11:39
  know,
• 11:40
  of
• 11:40
  growth.
• 11:40
  But
• 11:40
  a
• 11:40
  lot
• 11:41
  of
• 11:41
  people
• 11:41
  just
• 11:41
  believe
• 11:42
  everything.
• 11:42
  And
• 11:42
  I'm
• 11:42
  like,
• 11:43
  wait
• 11:43
  a
• 11:43
  minute.
• 11:43
  What'd
• 11:44
  you
• 11:44
  just
• 11:44
  say,
• 11:44
  Marvin?
• 11:44
  I
• 11:45
  mean,
• 11:45
  I'm
• 11:45
  gonna.
• 11:46
  If
• 11:47
  it
• 11:47
  didn't
• 11:47
  make
• 11:47
  sense,
• 11:47
  then
• 11:48
  it's
• 11:48
  okay
• 11:48
  to
• 11:48
  debate
• 11:49
  it,
• 11:49
  isn't
• 11:49
  it?
• 11:49
  Yeah.
• 11:50
  And
• 11:50
  I
• 11:50
  would
• 11:50
  say,
• 11:50
  too,
• 11:50
  you
• 11:50
  know,
• 11:51
  it's
• 11:51
  not
• 11:51
  necessarily
• 11:51
  that
• 11:52
  the.
• 11:52
  The
• 11:52
  old
• 11:53
  way
• 11:53
  was
• 11:53
  wrong.
• 11:53
  It's
• 11:54
  just
• 11:54
  that
• 11:54
  it's
• 11:54
  limited
• 11:55
  and
• 11:55
  you
• 11:55
  found
• 11:55
  the
• 11:55
  limitation.
• 11:56
  Right.
• 11:57
  And,
• 11:58
  you
• 11:58
  know,
• 11:58
  that's
• 11:58
  where
• 11:59
  the
• 11:59
  growth
• 11:59
  is,
• 11:59
  is
• 11:59
  by
• 12:00
  kind
• 12:00
  of
• 12:00
  understanding,
• 12:01
  you
• 12:01
  know,
• 12:02
  that
• 12:02
  limitation.
• 12:02
  And
• 12:03
  that's
• 12:03
  kind
• 12:03
  of
• 12:03
  how
• 12:03
  you
• 12:03
  progress
• 12:04
  and
• 12:04
  kind
• 12:04
  of
• 12:04
  build,
• 12:05
  whether
• 12:05
  it's
• 12:05
  casting
• 12:05
  knowledge,
• 12:06
  tying
• 12:06
  knowledge,
• 12:07
  or
• 12:08
  something
• 12:08
  completely
• 12:08
  unrelated
• 12:09
  to
• 12:09
  fly
• 12:09
  fishing.
• 12:10
  That's
• 12:10
  right.
• 12:11
  Yeah.
• 12:11
  It's
• 12:11
  in
• 12:12
  everything.
• 12:12
  I
• 12:12
  mean,
• 12:13
  it's.
• 12:13
  It's
• 12:13
  basically
• 12:14
  in
• 12:14
  every
• 12:14
  different
• 12:16
  sport.
• 12:17
  But
• 12:17
  I
• 12:17
  think
• 12:18
  that
• 12:18
  a
• 12:18
  lot
• 12:18
  of
• 12:18
  lessons
• 12:19
  can
• 12:19
  be
• 12:19
  learned
• 12:19
  just
• 12:20
  by
• 12:20
  using
• 12:20
  the
• 12:21
  example
• 12:22
  just
• 12:22
  from
• 12:22
  angling,
• 12:23
  because
• 12:23
  there's
• 12:23
  definitely
• 12:23
  plenty
• 12:24
  of
• 12:24
  different
• 12:24
  avenues
• 12:25
  to
• 12:25
  go
• 12:25
  down,
• 12:25
  you
• 12:25
  know.
• 12:26
  Yeah.
• 12:27
  So
• 12:27
  you're
• 12:27
  probably,
• 12:27
  what,
• 12:28
  two
• 12:28
  thirds
• 12:28
  of
• 12:28
  the
• 12:28
  way
• 12:28
  through
• 12:29
  your
• 12:29
  show
• 12:29
  schedule.
• 12:30
  So
• 12:30
  you've
• 12:30
  got
• 12:30
  Denver
• 12:30
  this
• 12:31
  weekend,
• 12:31
  and
• 12:31
  then
• 12:31
  you
• 12:31
  head
• 12:32
  to
• 12:32
  San
• 12:33
  Francisco
• 12:33
  the
• 12:33
  following
• 12:34
  weekend,
• 12:34
  and
• 12:34
  then
• 12:34
  you're
• 12:34
  kind
• 12:35
  of
• 12:35
  back
• 12:35
  on
• 12:35
  the
• 12:35
  east
• 12:35
  coast.
• 12:36
  And
• 12:36
  I
• 12:36
  guess
• 12:36
  you're
• 12:36
  doing
• 12:37
  what,
• 12:37
  Lancaster,
• 12:37
  and
• 12:38
  then
• 12:38
  you're
• 12:38
  going
• 12:39
  to
• 12:39
  Minneapolis.
• 12:40
  Are
• 12:40
  those
• 12:40
  all
• 12:41
  the
• 12:41
  remaining
• 12:41
  shows
• 12:42
  on
• 12:42
  your
• 12:42
  dance
• 12:42
  card?
• 12:43
  Yep,
• 12:44
  for
• 12:44
  right
• 12:44
  now,
• 12:45
  Lancaster,
• 12:45
  and
• 12:45
  then
• 12:46
  the
• 12:46
  Great
• 12:46
  Water
• 12:46
  show
• 12:47
  up
• 12:47
  in
• 12:48
  Twin
• 12:48
  Cities.
• 12:49
  And
• 12:50
  that'll.
• 12:50
  That'll
• 12:50
  be
• 12:51
  the.
• 12:52
  The
• 12:52
  show
• 12:52
  season
• 12:53
  for
• 12:53
  this
• 12:53
  year.
• 12:54
  I
• 12:54
  mean,
• 12:54
  there'll
• 12:54
  be
• 12:55
  a
• 12:55
  few
• 12:55
  club
• 12:55
  things.
• 12:57
  I've
• 12:57
  got
• 12:57
  a
• 12:57
  couple
• 12:58
  of
• 12:58
  those
• 12:58
  in
• 12:58
  the
• 12:58
  summer
• 12:59
  fall
• 12:59
  to
• 12:59
  do
• 13:00
  some
• 13:00
  banquets,
• 13:01
  annual
• 13:01
  banquets.
• 13:01
  And
• 13:02
  other
• 13:02
  than
• 13:03
  that,
• 13:03
  though,
• 13:03
  I'm
• 13:03
  pretty
• 13:04
  much
• 13:04
  done
• 13:04
  with
• 13:04
  shows.
• 13:05
  After.
• 13:06
  After
• 13:06
  the
• 13:06
  one
• 13:07
  in
• 13:07
  the
• 13:07
  Twin
• 13:07
  Cities.
• 13:08
  Well,
• 13:08
  there
• 13:09
  you
• 13:09
  go.
• 13:09
  And
• 13:09
  so
• 13:09
  you
• 13:09
  need
• 13:10
  to
• 13:10
  let
• 13:10
  folks
• 13:10
  know
• 13:10
  where
• 13:10
  to
• 13:11
  find
• 13:11
  you
• 13:11
  if
• 13:11
  they
• 13:11
  want
• 13:11
  to
• 13:11
  fish
• 13:11
  with
• 13:12
  you
• 13:12
  or
• 13:12
  go
• 13:12
  to
• 13:12
  one
• 13:12
  of
• 13:12
  your
• 13:13
  schools.
• 13:14
  Yeah,
• 13:15
  that
• 13:15
  would
• 13:15
  be
• 13:15
  the
• 13:15
  easiest
• 13:16
  places
• 13:17
  to
• 13:17
  just
• 13:17
  go
• 13:17
  on
• 13:18
  the
• 13:18
  website@matt
• 13:19
  brownflyfish.com
• 13:21
  or.
• 13:21
  Because
• 13:22
  I
• 13:22
  check
• 13:23
  that,
• 13:23
  like,
• 13:23
  you
• 13:23
  get
• 13:23
  an
• 13:23
  email
• 13:24
  on
• 13:24
  that
• 13:24
  I'm
• 13:24
  going
• 13:24
  to
• 13:24
  see
• 13:24
  that
• 13:25
  every
• 13:25
  day.
• 13:26
  A
• 13:26
  lot
• 13:26
  of
• 13:26
  times
• 13:27
  people
• 13:27
  will
• 13:27
  message
• 13:27
  me
• 13:28
  on
• 13:28
  something
• 13:28
  like
• 13:28
  Instagram
• 13:29
  and
• 13:29
  I
• 13:29
  don't
• 13:29
  look
• 13:30
  at
• 13:30
  that
• 13:30
  very
• 13:30
  often,
• 13:31
  to
• 13:31
  be
• 13:31
  honest
• 13:31
  with
• 13:31
  you.
• 13:32
  But
• 13:32
  I
• 13:32
  mean,
• 13:32
  you
• 13:32
  can
• 13:32
  message
• 13:33
  me
• 13:33
  there.
• 13:33
  It
• 13:33
  just
• 13:33
  might
• 13:33
  be
• 13:34
  a
• 13:34
  delay
• 13:35
  looking
• 13:35
  at
• 13:36
  it
• 13:36
  because
• 13:36
  I
• 13:36
  kind
• 13:37
  of
• 13:37
  stay
• 13:37
  away
• 13:37
  from
• 13:37
  that
• 13:37
  stuff
• 13:38
  more.
• 13:39
  But
• 13:39
  email
• 13:39
  is
• 13:39
  the
• 13:40
  best
• 13:40
  way.
• 13:40
  Or
• 13:40
  call.
• 13:41
  Yeah.
• 13:42
  And
• 13:43
  I
• 13:43
  will
• 13:43
  be
• 13:43
  in
• 13:43
  Denver
• 13:44
  this
• 13:44
  weekend
• 13:44
  and
• 13:44
  I
• 13:45
  always
• 13:45
  enjoy
• 13:45
  meeting
• 13:46
  podcast
• 13:47
  guests
• 13:47
  and
• 13:47
  listeners.
• 13:48
  So
• 13:48
  if
• 13:48
  you're
• 13:48
  going
• 13:48
  to
• 13:48
  be
• 13:49
  there,
• 13:49
  I've
• 13:50
  got
• 13:50
  two
• 13:50
  talks.
• 13:51
  I've
• 13:51
  got
• 13:51
  one
• 13:51
  on
• 13:51
  Friday
• 13:51
  afternoon
• 13:52
  at
• 13:52
  4:30
• 13:53
  and
• 13:53
  then
• 13:53
  one
• 13:53
  Saturday
• 13:53
  morning
• 13:54
  at
• 13:54
  11.
• 13:54
  But
• 13:54
  I
• 13:55
  will
• 13:55
  be
• 13:55
  at
• 13:55
  the
• 13:55
  show
• 13:55
  the
• 13:55
  entire
• 13:56
  weekend.
• 13:57
  And
• 13:57
  if
• 13:57
  you
• 13:57
  want
• 13:57
  to
• 13:58
  catch
• 13:58
  up,
• 13:58
  just
• 13:58
  probably
• 13:59
  the
• 13:59
  best
• 13:59
  thing
• 13:59
  to
• 13:59
  do
• 13:59
  is
• 13:59
  probably
• 14:00
  DM
• 14:00
  me
• 14:00
  on
• 14:01
  Instagram
• 14:01
  and
• 14:02
  we
• 14:03
  can
• 14:03
  catch
• 14:03
  up.
• 14:03
  And
• 14:04
  you
• 14:04
  know,
• 14:04
  folks,
• 14:04
  as
• 14:05
  I
• 14:05
  always
• 14:05
  say,
• 14:05
  it's
• 14:05
  kind
• 14:06
  of
• 14:06
  got
• 14:06
  really
• 14:06
  kind
• 14:06
  of
• 14:06
  weird
• 14:07
  winter
• 14:07
  weather
• 14:08
  across
• 14:08
  the
• 14:09
  know.
• 14:09
  If
• 14:09
  it's
• 14:09
  warm
• 14:09
  enough
• 14:10
  to
• 14:10
  get
• 14:10
  out
• 14:10
  and
• 14:10
  fish,
• 14:11
  you
• 14:11
  certainly
• 14:11
  should
• 14:11
  do
• 14:11
  that.
• 14:12
  If
• 14:12
  it's
• 14:12
  too
• 14:13
  cold
• 14:13
  to
• 14:13
  fish,
• 14:13
  I
• 14:14
  would
• 14:14
  tie
• 14:14
  flies.
• 14:14
  Or
• 14:14
  if
• 14:15
  you're
• 14:15
  close
• 14:15
  to
• 14:15
  a
• 14:15
  fly
• 14:15
  fishing
• 14:16
  show,
• 14:16
  you
• 14:16
  should
• 14:16
  definitely
• 14:17
  check
• 14:17
  it
• 14:17
  out.
• 14:17
  Tight
• 14:18
  lines,
• 14:18
  everybody.
• 14:19
  Tight
• 14:19
  lines,
• 14:19
  Matt.
• 14:20
  Tight
• 14:21
  lines.
• 14:21
  Marv.