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Has NOAH’S ARK Been FOUND? A FILIPINO Researcher Reveals NEW SCANS Showing ROOMS Inside the Site · Adrian Milag Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: We're now on the west profile or the western edge of the Dorupinar boat formation that we believe to be Noah's Ark.
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SPEAKER_00: Now as you can see behind me, this is not a solid sedimentary rock.
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SPEAKER_00: People keep saying it's a syncline, for example.
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SPEAKER_00: Well a syncline has folds of sedimentary rock that once the tops are exposed, it forms an oval shape, but they're large structures.
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SPEAKER_00: But guess what?
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SPEAKER_00: This 515 foot long boat-shaped object is made of earth.
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SPEAKER_00: There are boulders in it, but this is not sedimentary folded rock layers.
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SPEAKER_00: And on top of it, the layers, the folds in this mountainside are going on north-south direction.
0:28
SPEAKER_00: From Iran to Mount Erat, they are not even going the right direction to create a sincline at this area.
0:34
SPEAKER_00: Now the other debate is, well, maybe it's bedrock that's just exposed and mud went around it and formed a boat shape, an oval shape.
0:40
SPEAKER_00: Again, none of the geophysical surveys have shown that there's a solid bedrock column coming out of the mountain floor below us.
0:46
SPEAKER_00: You know, we're in a melange of rock material, a debris flow that has collapsed on this mountainside.
0:51
SPEAKER_00: According to Dr.
0:52
SPEAKER_00: Salibarek Tutan, bedrock is at least 70 meters below us.
0:55
SPEAKER_00: And there's nothing in nature that would form a column sticking straight up from that 70 meters to where the drop in our site is, and then mud going around it.
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SPEAKER_00: In geology, you don't have structures like that.
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SPEAKER_00: The third theory is that this is a solid limestone block that came down the mountainside with the mud flow and then got stuck here, and then over thousands of years or more, they claim glaciers and weathering created the boat shape.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, if this is a solid block of rock, why aren't we seeing that with any of the radar or the ERT?
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SPEAKER_00: We're gonna find out with our extensive cordialing campaign this month.
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SPEAKER_00: But we need your support.
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SPEAKER_00: There is no other way we can do this.
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SPEAKER_00: We want to settle this debate once and for all.
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SPEAKER_00: Please check out our website, nosarkscams.com, or the link.
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SPEAKER_00: The season's coming to an end very soon.
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SPEAKER_00: We have two to three weeks left, and then we're gonna be analyzing this data over the winter at the laboratories here in Turkey and the United States.
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SPEAKER_00: So we need your support.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe we can start with an opening prayer.
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SPEAKER_00: Sure, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you want uh me to do that or you or uh yeah yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: You may live if you want.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh dear Heavenly Father, thank you that we can uh talk about Noah's Ark and in the mountains of Arat, be actually on site and discuss this important biblical event and what it means for us today.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, just bust our time together.
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SPEAKER_00: In Jesus' name I pray, amen.
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SPEAKER_02: First and Lord Spirit, amen.
2:07
SPEAKER_02: Welcome, brother Andrew Jones, to this to our program Historian Catholic.
2:12
SPEAKER_02: What an honor.
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SPEAKER_02: Lead researcher and director of Novas Ark scans, Turkey.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's how they say yes here in Turkey.
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SPEAKER_00: We are here in the mountains of Errat and eastern Turkey.
2:24
SPEAKER_02: Fascinating in Turkey, even it's already 7 p.m., 10 p.m.
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SPEAKER_02: It's still bright.
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SPEAKER_00: They have one time zone.
2:31
SPEAKER_00: So it's a big country, but one time zone.
2:33
SPEAKER_00: So some parts are super bright, even though you think it should be darker.
2:37
SPEAKER_00: Right now it's fine.
2:38
SPEAKER_00: I'm actually part Filipino, um, half Filipino.
2:41
SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna use her.
2:43
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
2:46
SPEAKER_00: My mother, she's Filipino.
2:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh she's from uh Leyte.
2:49
SPEAKER_00: I was born actually in Tacloban.
2:52
SPEAKER_00: But uh my father, he was in the Air Force at Clark Air Force Base, and he was working nearby, and that's how they met back in the 70s.
3:00
SPEAKER_00: And so uh then my mother, and of course, they all moved to America, and so I don't I never grew up in the Philippines, but I've been back many times um since uh I was born there.
3:10
SPEAKER_00: So I'm actually a dual citizen.
3:12
SPEAKER_00: So I'm a Filipino passport too.
3:14
SPEAKER_00: Come by.
3:16
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
3:16
SPEAKER_00: My mom never taught me she wanted to, but my dad's like, oh, you'll confuse them.
3:20
SPEAKER_00: And I really wish I learned because that's the best time to learn is when you're a child, you know.
3:25
SPEAKER_00: Uh but uh yeah, they sadly have passed away, but I've uh been uh you know in the Philippines many times, uh, and I uh I have a lot of relatives obviously still there in uh uh the Visayas.
3:38
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
3:39
SPEAKER_00: I love the food, I love the culture.
3:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's great.
3:43
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh when was the last time you visited uh Philippines?
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SPEAKER_00: So right before the pandemic when my parents uh passed away, actually.
3:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I went that was 2019.
3:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh then the next year the pandemic started, and uh, but that was the last time I was in the Philippines.
4:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you should come back and share this.
4:03
SPEAKER_00: Next time I lived in Marikina, I was in Manila for almost a year.
4:07
SPEAKER_00: That was my first time since I was uh I was when I was born.
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SPEAKER_00: I only stayed this three months, and then um my father and mother went back to America.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: You know, he was in the Air Force.
4:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, but then the last the next time after that that I came back was in 1997.
4:21
SPEAKER_00: That was the year of my first trip here to Noah's Ark.
4:24
SPEAKER_00: Uh I had around the world ticket, middle of college, and so after I left Noah's Ark, I flew to the Philippines, and that was my first time really there.
4:33
SPEAKER_00: And I was there about nine, ten months, and I reconnected with my family and the culture.
4:39
SPEAKER_00: And you know, I mainly lived in Marikina.
4:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh, that's where my auntie lived, and so it was really fun hanging out with the cousins and making new friends and just enjoying the food and culture.
4:49
SPEAKER_02: We are in also in, I mean, near in Marikina because Ante Polo.
4:53
SPEAKER_02: Ah yes, on the yeah, Ante Polo.
4:56
SPEAKER_00: I remember the uh the the uh Jeepney stops.
5:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I remember Marikina to my friend.
5:02
SPEAKER_00: I actually after after a while I lived with some friends there too, and um I remember there was a lot of uh shoe uh manufacturers.
5:09
SPEAKER_00: People, my friend, his father made shoes in America.
5:15
SPEAKER_02: Yes, we're proud of you.
5:17
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you're a Filipino and doing this uh very historical topic through what will happen after the study.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, that will be a very groundbreaking because what we've done in the past and what others have done, uh the explorers in the 1960s and 80s and 90s, you know, they've done, and even us up in 2019 and and the Turks in 2021, it was all surface survey work, using technology and mail detectors to see what's going on below the surface, because here you have this boat shape that's the size of Noah's Ark in the Bible, but no one has actually done a uh a survey with core drilling or putting cameras deep into the ark.
6:00
SPEAKER_00: And so that's what we'll be hopefully doing this summer is uh coring the site.
6:04
SPEAKER_00: So that's that's a machine like to use in you think of like making a well or a geology, uh, it drills deep into the earth, and you're able then to put a camera or pull out the material, and then you can see the sections of the earth and study it.
6:19
SPEAKER_00: So geologists use it, uh archaeology, they use the two to understand the site, and then you can see what's going on below the ground without having to dig a big hole.
6:29
SPEAKER_00: It's a very fragile site, we want to protect it.
6:31
SPEAKER_00: So the traditional archaeology method of like a five meter by five meter square, that would destroy it.
6:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, so we're trying other techniques and technologies that will let us hear below the soil without disturbing it, let us drill into the site to get cameras inside some of the possible rooms that still aren't filled with mud, uh, get back the material that we're seeing on the radar because the radar is showing different layers and right angles.
6:59
SPEAKER_00: You know, so we're thinking, okay, this can't be natural.
7:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh so we want to drill into those areas and get it get a sample out.
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SPEAKER_00: So we can study in the laboratory uh this coming winter.
7:10
SPEAKER_00: Uh so it's very exciting that we now have this possibility with the official permits that we're partnered with uh a Turkish university who got the permit.
7:18
SPEAKER_00: So we're we're working with them and under them.
7:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh so it's it's all official and we're very excited.
7:24
SPEAKER_02: And after I've I uploaded this, and many will know that you're a Filipino.
7:29
SPEAKER_02: So yes, it's Tagalog.
7:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm gonna say Mabuha.
7:33
SPEAKER_00: Mabuha.
7:34
SPEAKER_00: It's Salama Poe.
7:35
SPEAKER_00: I used to get to call something like my aunt.
7:38
SPEAKER_00: When I was there, I started, you know, picking up the language because they're nine months, ten months.
7:43
SPEAKER_00: But then when you leave and you don't talk to people lose it.
7:47
SPEAKER_02: You have been taught of you when you mano on the elders, the air culture is the respect for elders.
7:52
SPEAKER_00: Um that's what's missing in uh Western culture, like in America where I grew up.
7:57
SPEAKER_00: You don't have that respect.
7:59
SPEAKER_00: They even had that type of respect out here, where for example, in Turkey, if you have an older brother, uh you you can say Abi.
8:08
SPEAKER_00: Older sister is uh I forgot the word for older sister, but you use this term of respect uh and you don't just say their name.
8:16
SPEAKER_02: Nice to know that.
8:17
SPEAKER_02: I'm curious about uh your background.
8:20
SPEAKER_02: Uh of course, we know I I know now that you are a Filipino, you're a Pinoy, but could you tell me who is uh Brother Andrew Jones?
8:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, why am I here?
8:29
SPEAKER_00: What am I doing here?
8:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, well, uh so I grew up as a Christian.
8:34
SPEAKER_00: Um I always believed, uh I never really left the Christian faith and like doubted the Bible.
8:41
SPEAKER_00: So I always had that strong belief.
8:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh as a child, my parents, we had family worship together morning and evening.
8:48
SPEAKER_00: We would say our prayers, you know, we were very active in our local church.
8:52
SPEAKER_00: When I heard about the possibility that Noah's Ark was discovered, uh to me, it was like, wow, this is it wasn't like a oh no, this is this true story or not.
9:01
SPEAKER_00: I already knew the story was true.
9:03
SPEAKER_00: And by faith, you know, as a believer, we believe these stories in the Bible.
9:06
SPEAKER_00: But then to actually see a photograph of a site that looks like a boat and it's the same dimensions as given in the Bible, that really intrigued me.
9:15
SPEAKER_00: And I so I first learned about that in the early 90s.
9:19
SPEAKER_00: So at that time, I was you know 13, 14 years old.
9:22
SPEAKER_00: I was in middle school in America, and uh a man named Ron Wyatt came out to Northern California where we lived, and he told us about his work.
9:32
SPEAKER_00: He had he had a one-night meeting.
9:34
SPEAKER_00: I remember my father went to the church to hear it.
9:38
SPEAKER_00: It was a Thursday night, so I had school work and I stayed home.
9:42
SPEAKER_00: I asked my father, I said, Go hear this guy, see what he has to say about Noah's Ark.
9:46
SPEAKER_00: And he went and he came back.
9:47
SPEAKER_00: My father said, Well, this man said he then it's been discovered, and here's all the evidence.
9:51
SPEAKER_00: And so I went and found out he had a book and I bought it, and I was really a nerd back then.
9:56
SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'm still am, but I had to read it and I had owned a lot of books and I have a lot more today.
10:02
SPEAKER_00: And so I decided to do more research and I found out who was involved with this man as co-researcher.
10:08
SPEAKER_00: So I talked to David Sassald, who did a lot of the work with Ron for uh part of the 80s, and then of course Ron Wyatt, he was really involved from the late 70s until he passed away in 1999.
10:20
SPEAKER_00: He was really at the forefront and getting the site in the news and presenting it to a lot of churches around the world.
10:28
SPEAKER_00: And when I first um heard this, uh I had to call him because I had a lot of questions.
10:33
SPEAKER_00: His book was, you know, a very small booklet.
10:36
SPEAKER_00: And so I called him on the phone and he picked up.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: And uh I remember he told me to call him the next day because he had just gotten back from Israel and on a Middle Eastern expedition.
10:46
SPEAKER_00: And then I talked to him for many years after that, just like maybe once a week, I'd call him with questions and talk for hours on the phone, and including David Fazzle and writing letters to other experts who were involved in this research.
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SPEAKER_00: Finally, in the middle of college, I had the opportunity.
11:02
SPEAKER_00: A friend of mine from Florida called me and said, I'm going to go to Noah's Ark.
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SPEAKER_00: Would you I he said, and I want a travel companion, would you like to go with me?
11:11
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, whoa, this is you know the opportunity of a lifetime.
11:15
SPEAKER_00: And sharing the cost would be cheaper.
11:18
SPEAKER_00: But I was in college, had no job, so I had no money still.
11:21
SPEAKER_00: But my parents decided because they saw that I was really into this, they said, okay, we'll fund your trip.
11:26
SPEAKER_00: And they and then they sent me to the Philippines too, right after this trip.
11:29
SPEAKER_00: And so, okay, you you you go to the Turkey for about a week I was here, and then you go to the Philippines, and you know, I want to take a break from college.
11:38
SPEAKER_00: It was two years into college, and so they said, Okay, you can stay there for a year in the Philippines and reconnect with the relatives and whatever.
11:46
SPEAKER_00: So that's what I did.
11:47
SPEAKER_00: And that was June of 1997.
11:49
SPEAKER_00: I finally came out to the site and ended Blue Eye Maine because here you had this boat shape still there since 1959 when they first saw it on photographs.
11:59
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, that was what uh 40 years or so you know later, uh 59 to six uh to 1997.
12:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:07
SPEAKER_00: So, anyways, we were walking on this boat shape in the middle of the mountains of Air Rat, and I knew that when I saw and you know, I heard of the evidence with the mail detector scans done in the 80s, the basic GPR that was done, uh, some soil analysis, uh, you know, some of these um one or two artifacts falling out of the site or pulled out of the site.
12:31
SPEAKER_00: I knew that more had to be done, and I wanted to come back.
12:34
SPEAKER_00: Now I came as a tourist, now I'm here as a researcher.
12:37
SPEAKER_00: Well, so three years later, I came back.
12:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh this was in the year 2000, and this was right after Ron White had passed away.
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SPEAKER_00: And a bunch of friends who knew this man who explored the site a lot, they they they wanted to do a trip.
12:52
SPEAKER_00: This is the summer of 2000.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: They wanted to come out to the site to see if we could start some more research.
12:58
SPEAKER_00: And so that's the year I met Dr.
13:00
SPEAKER_00: Sali Bayrak Tutan.
13:02
SPEAKER_00: He's the Turkish geologist who has really studied the site the most from the early 80s, and he's still alive today.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: He's 85 years old or something, and he's a friend of mine, and he's been out here many times with me, and we that's how we did the soil analysis.
13:15
SPEAKER_00: But anyway, so in 2000, I came out here, met him for the first time, and just thought, wow, we need really need to team up and do something.
13:23
SPEAKER_00: But I was still, you know, just starting my career as a computer uh programmer.
13:28
SPEAKER_00: So I didn't have, I didn't have the like the funds to do some big expedition or something.
13:32
SPEAKER_00: But it was already in the back of my mind that we have to do more work.
13:35
SPEAKER_00: And uh, but I ended up going on excavations and uh doing the work in Jerusalem uh from 2003 to 200 uh six.
13:45
SPEAKER_00: And that was it.
13:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh this was still in my mind about Noah's Ark.
13:49
SPEAKER_00: And finally in 2013, a friend of mine from Europe said, Hey, let's start up tours, let's do some tours to Noah's Ark.
13:55
SPEAKER_00: Would you want to join us on this inaugural first tour for his company to Noah's Ark?
14:01
SPEAKER_00: And so I ended up going with another, uh, you know, a bunch of people, including Ron White's widow, and one gentleman from New Zealand who I had met in Jerusalem on the excavations there.
14:12
SPEAKER_00: And this man from New Zealand wanted to do what's called ERT scams.
14:17
SPEAKER_00: It's a type of technology that really wasn't done on Noah's Ark.
14:22
SPEAKER_00: This type of technology lets you look below the surface using electrical current.
14:27
SPEAKER_00: So as electricity is shot into the ground, the uh how fast it goes or how slow it goes, you know, electricity uh when it hits air, it goes a lot slower.
14:37
SPEAKER_00: But if it hits water or metal, it'll go fast.
14:41
SPEAKER_00: So it uses the conductivity of the electrical current to map out what's below the surface.
14:47
SPEAKER_00: What do you uh and then the computer makes a 3D model.
14:50
SPEAKER_00: And so my friend or an acquaintance from New Zealand, he wanted to do that.
14:54
SPEAKER_00: And so when I he came on the 2013 tour, and then he talked to me about coming back the next year as uh on a pre-uh expedition trip to really do more studies on the site.
15:06
SPEAKER_00: And we did that in April of 2014.
15:08
SPEAKER_00: We had a couple of photographers with us.
15:10
SPEAKER_00: We came back here, spent a good amount of time on the site, got permits in October of 2014, so over 10 years ago, he did his ERT scans.
15:20
SPEAKER_00: Right.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: And within a year or two, he released the results and it showed like these layers below the ground, like deep into the mountainside that no one knew about.
15:31
SPEAKER_00: And it all matched what the Bible he was even seeing corridors, uh, some um openings inside these ship shaped, uh, the possible one door that the Bible talks about.
15:42
SPEAKER_00: So his scans got us really excited, and I thought we need to excavate.
15:47
SPEAKER_00: At that time, I was kind of probably naive.
15:49
SPEAKER_00: I thought maybe we could really do this quick.
15:51
SPEAKER_00: And so I contacted a friend of mine who I knew since '97, who um lived out here, and I asked him, I said, can we uh you know excavate this site?
16:00
SPEAKER_00: Can we do something?
16:01
SPEAKER_00: And he really thought we could.
16:02
SPEAKER_00: And so we we pursued that option.
16:05
SPEAKER_00: So in 2016, we thought we had all everything lined up to this acquaintance.
16:10
SPEAKER_00: He he basically said we're gonna do it this July and August in 2016.
16:14
SPEAKER_00: So that's 10 years ago from today.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: Two weeks sadly, before we were to leave, there was a coup attempt in uh Turkey, and that and they shut the whole country down.
16:26
SPEAKER_00: Uh my friend said, Look, um, the people we were trying to work with in the government were even arrested.
16:30
SPEAKER_00: A lot of people were fired or put in prison.
16:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh so there was a big chaos.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: And the country was put under national emergency.
16:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh, my friend said, Don't come.
16:40
SPEAKER_00: And so in 2016 and 17, it was still national emergency, and I didn't go to Turkey here.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: They lifted the national emergency, and my friend told me, Why don't you come here?
16:50
SPEAKER_00: Let's try to do something and reconnect with the officials now, because everyone else was, you know, either thrown in jail or retired or fired from their job.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: So now we have all these new Turkish officials.
17:01
SPEAKER_00: And my friend wanted me to reconnect with the locals.
17:05
SPEAKER_00: So I came out in 2018 and we uh we met with a local archaeologist who lived in this town where I live today, Doubai Zet.
17:13
SPEAKER_00: This is on the south side of Mount Arat, about 30 minutes from the Snow's arc site where we're at today, right behind me, is the the ship formation.
17:21
SPEAKER_00: And so we started meeting with different officials up through 2019, um, even when my parents passed away.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: I remember I had a trip already here.
17:29
SPEAKER_00: We came out in March of 2019, met with the archaeologist.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: We brought an American archaeologist with us to see the site, to see what we could do.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: By the summer of uh 2019, we get in contact, we get an email from the science channel.
17:45
SPEAKER_00: Now they're part of the Discovery Channel, and they say, Hey, we would like to do a full one-hour special about Noah's Ark.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: Would you help us with this?
17:53
SPEAKER_00: And you will interview you.
17:54
SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, you know, there's no action, like there's no research going on right now.
17:58
SPEAKER_00: We're trying to get something done or something started that year.
18:02
SPEAKER_00: And I said, Well, we have to plan out because we have a budget and schedule.
18:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh, when's like the last date we can still come before winter?
18:10
SPEAKER_00: So I gave them the middle of October 2019.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: And I said, Why don't you come then?
18:15
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, we have something ready for you to show you.
18:17
SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, it might be a boring TV show just interviewing me and talking to people, but no action, no scientists working on the site.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: By end of September, a couple months after that email, we had gotten word that we could do uh scans on the site.
18:33
SPEAKER_00: And so I had a three-week window to find a team, hire them, fundraise, sign contracts, uh, get everything going, and pray that we have uh non-rainy weather.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: Like right now it's raining, but in the uh middle October, you know, that's when you start getting more rain, the summer dry spell is over, and you can't do GPR, which is the radar, which is like solar, you can say for like they use them on submarines, on ships.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: Well, this is radar, uses an electromagnetic signal that's uh bounced into the soil, shot into the soil thousands of times a second, depending on the frequency, and it'll bounce off different targets and based on their properties, and the software will map it out.
19:13
SPEAKER_00: So if it's like a hard rock or loose soil or wet soil versus dry soil, or if it's um a room uh with an air pocket, um, all of that can be seen in a certain amount of resolution and detail by the GPR.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: And so this is what we wanted to do.
19:31
SPEAKER_00: Ron Wyatt, David Faswild, uh Dr.
19:33
SPEAKER_00: Baumgarner, Dr.
19:34
SPEAKER_00: Sali Bayrack Truton, my friend, they've done um the original GPR back in the 1980s, but that was all analog.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: You know, that was a piece of paper printed out, and it had the you know what you saw below the ground.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: And now it's all digital.
19:51
SPEAKER_00: So you can now put it on a computer, make a 3D model under the ground, slice it like a cake, look at it, and all this is done after you collect the data.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: So we really wanted to get this done.
20:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, and now we had the opportunity.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: And this was again, this was early October 2019, and we wanted to do the first modern GPR scans on this what we believe is Noah's Ark.
20:14
SPEAKER_00: And thankfully, everything worked out.
20:17
SPEAKER_00: In fact, the the week before they came, it was kind of like this.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: It was, you know, rainy, bad weather, foggy, cold.
20:24
SPEAKER_00: The day they show up, they showed up on a Sunday, the American team that we had hired to do this work.
20:30
SPEAKER_00: The day they showed up, it was sunny weather.
20:33
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's the clearest I've seen, you can see for miles and miles away, all sun.
20:38
SPEAKER_00: And until they stopped working, which was Thursday that week, it was always sunny weather.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: So they were able to collect a lot of data over the LiDAR data, thermal cameras, um, this GPR data over those four days, Monday through Thursday.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: Friday, they decided to go, you know, Sight C, and Saturday they flew back to America.
21:00
SPEAKER_00: Well, Friday, when they had no work, it started raining again.
21:03
SPEAKER_00: So God gave us the perfect window where there was perfect weather to do our scans, and we had the science channel there.
21:11
SPEAKER_00: So everything worked out.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: The science channel had planned for that date.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: We gave it to them, but we didn't know what would happen.
21:17
SPEAKER_00: Now we have the whole scientific team working, and they had a lot of action shots and interviews of the people doing the work, and they made a really good special about it.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: It was on the science channel, and it's still shown today as reruns on Discovery Science and some of these other channels that are reuse the same material.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I forget um it I think it was called Mysteries or Mysteries Unknown, or it was something um something mysteries.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but it was in 2020 during the pandemic, it was aired on TV.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, but that really hit the news uh that same year.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: A lot a lot of news is talking about oh, these DPR scans are showing right angles.
21:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh we gave the data to an American um uh archaeologist.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Who was not part of our team?
22:01
SPEAKER_00: I think he was Jewish, but I I don't know what his like background is um for like whether he believed the nose arc or not, but I really do think he was a believer, but a Jewish believer.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: And he uh analyzed our raw data.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: Like we just gave it to him.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: He was an expert.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: Uh he was not part of our team, he wasn't biased.
22:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we just said, Hey, what what do you what do you see below the ground?
22:23
SPEAKER_00: He came back, he said, Well, at this one spot on the northwest side of the boat, he was seeing a series of these right angles about seven meters down, so 20 feet, 21 feet.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: And that got him excited.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: He said, if I was going to do an excavation, I would do it right there because in nature, you normally don't have a series of angular structures like that that would possibly be man-made, like the rooms for a wall or something, like whatever is left down below the surface.
22:52
SPEAKER_00: And so that got us excited.
22:54
SPEAKER_00: We knew we we still were trying to pursue excavations.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: This is um you know 2020.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: We get this information.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, the pen that sadly the pandemic hit.
23:04
SPEAKER_00: But the good thing was when when the pandemic hit, my friend here at the time, he said, Why don't you stay here, Andrew?
23:10
SPEAKER_00: That's how I made this my home.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: Was the pandemic?
23:13
SPEAKER_00: It was I remember it was into February, and I was happening to visit Turkey.
23:17
SPEAKER_00: And he um I was just checking things out and thinking about what we're gonna do that year.
23:22
SPEAKER_00: And when I was here, the borders closed.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: And they announced it like it's coming up, fly out if you want to leave.
23:28
SPEAKER_00: Like this pandemic, the COVID-19 virus is spreading.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: And and uh my and then the guy I knew here at the time, he said, why don't you just stay?
23:37
SPEAKER_00: I have a place you can live, uh, you know, just pay the utility bills, and that's it, and buy you can buy your own food.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: And of course, uh, staying here is it's like living in the Philippines.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: Your dollar goes a lot further.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: And so the exchange rate was really good for an American living in Turkey.
23:53
SPEAKER_00: And so I said, okay, instead of going back to California where I'm from and just um you know doing nothing, uh I already had quit my job.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: I was a computer programmer back in 14.
24:04
SPEAKER_00: And I started my own business making iPhone and Android apps uh during the gold rush.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: Started making a lot of money at the time.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: But then uh I slowly transitioned from doing that, and that was pain for my many trips to the Middle East, uh, because I had this interest, not just in Noah's Ark, but in looking for Mount Sinai and the Exodus, you know, sites in Israel.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: So biblical archaeology, uh, my background in college was computer science.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: But when I first went to college, I started taking biblical archaeological archaeological courses and anthropology courses, uh humanities, uh, you know, these different things that would apply for a you know archaeology degree.
24:44
SPEAKER_00: But my parents talked me out of it.
24:45
SPEAKER_00: You know, I did that for about a year or two years, and my parents said, look, there's no money, Andrew, in archaeology.
24:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh why don't you go find a different career to do and that would pay for your hobby?
24:56
SPEAKER_00: So you can make this your serious hobby, which is what do now, you know, this this interest in archaeology, especially biblical archaeology.
25:03
SPEAKER_00: And so I followed what they said, and and I ended up going into computer science, which you can make a bunch of money in, and that helped pay for my trips to go to the Middle East and bring other people with me.
25:12
SPEAKER_00: So I was paying for these expeditions, bringing photographers, uh, you know, fundraising, uh, and not just paying it for myself, but also getting money from friends to do scientific work at the site right behind me.
25:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, so by the time the pandemic hit, I had I I was out of, you know, I didn't have a job.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: I was doing some tours, uh, but uh my focus was mainly on Noah's Ark.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: And so that's why my friend said, look, what you have saved up, your money, you can stay here for a couple of years probably.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: And we didn't know how long the pandemic would last.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: You know, when it first hit, no one knew what was going to go, like how long the borders would be closed and what would go down.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: And so I ended up staying here and getting my uh residency visa.
25:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh and so now I'm here.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: I know I travel a lot, but for six or seven months out of the year, I'm living here in Turkey.
25:59
SPEAKER_00: In the winter months, I leave.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but uh, you know, there's snow on the site, you can't really do anything at that time.
26:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but that brings us up to 2000.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: Uh I ended up reconnecting during the pandemic with this uh this geologist, Dr.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: Sali Bayrack Tutan, who I lost to about 20 years before then.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: And I never reconnected with him after that trip.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: And then during the pandemic, I think it was 2021, I found out that he's still alive and living about five hours away.
26:25
SPEAKER_00: So I drive out to his place and we met, we reconnected, and I got him interested in helping me do more work on the uh the site and trying to get these permits that'll allow us to do more extensive excavations or scientific research.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, we're trying to build up to make a case to the Turkish government that there's something below the boat shade underground that we want to get access to to see what it is.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh so you know, we have the scans, we had the new scans are spectacular.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: I talked to uh this geologist, this professor of geology, he's retired by now.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: This is in 2021.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: I tell him, hey, I wish I knew you were around because we could have connected and worked together in 2019 when we did the GPR.
27:08
SPEAKER_00: But I said, we have all this raw data.
27:10
SPEAKER_00: Do you know somebody, a geophysicist, who could analyze the data again?
27:14
SPEAKER_00: And he said, yes, I know this American lady with 40 years experience.
27:18
SPEAKER_00: She has her own company in New Hampshire, I think.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: And anyways, he connected with her and she said she'd be glad for free to look at our data, night team.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: And so I sent her gigs and gigs of data over the internet.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: And she took about six months, her and her team.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: So by the time of 2023, she called me and she emailed me, and then we set up a Zoom call.
27:38
SPEAKER_00: She said, Look, I have found a tunnel that's going down the center of your boat shape.
27:44
SPEAKER_00: And she thought maybe someone had dug it.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: I said, No, no, no, this isn't the middle of the mountainside.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: Nobody has dug out there.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: And she thought maybe it's a utility line or something.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: And so she didn't present it over Zoom.
27:57
SPEAKER_00: She showed me all the stuff that she had found.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: And she was finding about four meters down, about 12 feet, uh, this hallway, this series of voids that go down the center of the boat to a massive opening in the middle of the boat that's right below this boulder that you can see in some of the photographs.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: So right in the middle of the boat, it's this huge opening.
28:18
SPEAKER_00: And it goes down to 13 meters, about 40 feet below the surface.
28:23
SPEAKER_00: So now we have uh this visual evidence to the GPR, the software will show you everything and the depth it is and with the shape of these voids.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: They're all lining up like a like a hallway on a boat, going to this massive opening in the middle that hasn't filled it with dirt, and then going deep into the earth there.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: That suggests that maybe this is uh, you know, if you think if it's Noah's Ark, maybe this was the central atrium where the fresh air and light, you know, is going to all the Bible talks about three uh decks on Noah's Ark, you know, three floors, like a like a house.
28:56
SPEAKER_00: And so, anyways, we were we caught we collected all this new data in 2023.
29:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh we had this from the American geophysicist, and that hit the news.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: And everyone started getting excited in 2024.
29:10
SPEAKER_00: We put out the information.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and then last year, this it really picked up steam that we got in contact with Fox News.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: Uh, then later, NBC News came out here.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: So all these big American channels, and then Christian Broadcast Network, CBN, uh, and then a lot of British newspapers like Daily Mail, uh, Australian news picked it up.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: And so that built us uh up so that by T6, we had the interests of uh some professors out here who wanted to team up with us.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: And and so I know your question was, uh, who are you?
29:42
SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm you can see I'm passionate about Noah's Ark and my whole adult life, even with the middle of college, like coming out here on my own, funded by my parents as a tourist, seeing the site, that just kind of wet my appetite.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and and now I'm living here.
30:00
SPEAKER_00: Um I'm doing this interview with you, this podcast, or at the site.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: This is a dream come true.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: It was just nod showing the way, you know, directing our footsteps.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh the pandemic happened, meaning specific scientists, uh, these expeditions happening, building the case, that this is definitely Noah's arc.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: And so we hope to continue that work this summer with doing a lot more new stuff that hasn't been done on the site.
30:24
SPEAKER_02: Wow, this was fantastic.
30:26
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for sharing.
30:27
SPEAKER_02: Uh, it was amazing.
30:29
SPEAKER_00: 2024, I forgot to say this, we did the soil test where we took 88 random soil samples, about 10 at the 10 centimeter depth and then 20 centimeter.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: And we we got four samples from 22 locations, so 88 samples, and we had that analyzed at a local university where Sali, the geologist, used to teach at a Turk University, which is about four hours west from here.
30:52
SPEAKER_00: And then by early this last year, so January, I got the results from Sali.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: And we uh had a number of soil scientists with PhD and master's degrees look at it.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: Of course, Sally looked at it.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: So we even fed it to Rock and Chat GPT, and you know, these AI systems.
31:08
SPEAKER_00: You said, here's the um the spreadsheet of the data.
31:11
SPEAKER_00: What do you see?
31:12
SPEAKER_00: And they all agreed on a whole bunch of things.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: Number one, we found three times more organic matter inside the boat shape.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: So, this boat shape you see on the photographs, the soil samples we got inside, when you compare what's inside to what's out right outside that boat shape, this inside soil has three times more organic matter.
31:31
SPEAKER_00: Now, organic matter means like it could be dead material, like you know, roots, it could be decayed remains of a house, a building, you know, wood.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: Once living matter, like wood, and we know Noah's Ark was 100% made of wood, uh, with uh possible metal involved, but you know, it was a wooden vessel.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh, so we have this wooden vessel.
31:50
SPEAKER_00: If that's Noah's Ark, it sat there for thousands of years, slowly decayed away, left the chemical imprint in the ground and the shape, possible uh mineralized or fossilized remains below the ground, uh like hard material that that kept it there, and that we're seeing on the GPR.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: But the the imprint, the chemical imprint of the site is saying this is unique.
32:13
SPEAKER_00: It's not just standard soil like you see around it outside.
32:17
SPEAKER_00: The soil inside is different from right outside.
32:20
SPEAKER_00: So three times more organic matter, we have 38% more phosphorus uh or phosphate, and then um eight times difference in pH.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, so the and then the salinity is the same.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, there's a couple other things that are the same.
32:35
SPEAKER_00: But what it shows is that if this was a wooden vessel right there, and then it left this imprint and decayed away and left this chemical imprint, that would uh be the reason you have three times more organic matter and 38% more phosphate, I think it was.
32:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but these differences are accounted for because it's a wooden ship that was there.
32:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's not just regular mountain-side soil, like we have critics, they say it's a you know natural object or geology, uh, but everything we've seen so far is pointing to this being distinct, unique, you know, ship shape right there.
33:11
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for sharing.
33:12
SPEAKER_02: And uh because your latest GPR scan revealed a perfect corridors and room-like chambers four meters underground.
33:19
SPEAKER_02: So if this is truly the remains of Noah's art, why do so many professional geologists still insist it's just a natural landslide formation?
33:30
SPEAKER_00: Well, you have two groups of geologists.
33:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh so one group that's, of course, most geologists are not Christians.
33:36
SPEAKER_00: Uh, so the non-Christian geologists, you could say, uh, looking if you tell them you're looking for Noah's Ark or you want their help, uh, or you say, hey, we possibly found Noah's Ark, come check it out.
33:47
SPEAKER_00: That's like me telling you, let's go look at Santa Claus's home.
33:50
SPEAKER_00: For them, if they're not Christian, they don't, and especially if they don't believe in the flood, there are Christian geologists who don't even believe that Noah's Ark happened, like there was no flood, a global flood.
34:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh so uh if you don't believe in the story itself, this is a waste of time.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: It's a fairy tale.
34:06
SPEAKER_00: If someone came to me and said, I'm gonna go show you, you know, uh the North Pole and where Santa Claus lives, uh definitely I would not put my time and money into it.
34:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh no, no, that's a children's story.
34:15
SPEAKER_00: It's all fake.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: Now you do have Christians who believe in Noah's Ark and the flood, and they say this is natural, and they're geologists.
34:23
SPEAKER_00: Um, almost I'll say 99% or 100% of those guys who are critics have not actually worked the site.
34:30
SPEAKER_00: They have not been out here doing extensive geological work, like her Islamic professor friend who's retired now, Dr.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: Sali Barak Tutan, who has lived his life out here, and probably knows almost every rock out there.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: And he believes in the flood, even though, you know, they they, as uh Muslims, they do believe in Noah and the flood.
34:48
SPEAKER_00: That's part of the Quran.
34:49
SPEAKER_00: He does believe that this site is the best candidate.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: And he said it on camera that this is the best candidate for Noah's Ark for any proposed sites out there in the world.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, you really don't have another site to compare to.
35:02
SPEAKER_00: If someone said, hey, look at my Noah's Ark over here, or this one over there, let's now compare the data from this Noah's Ark site to our site to this site.
35:11
SPEAKER_00: No, you only have this one site that people are researching or attacking that saying it's not.
35:17
SPEAKER_00: But everyone else who thinks Noah's Ark existed, they they say, well, maybe it's on Mount Arrat, you know, 19 miles north, or maybe it's in Judy, which is 200 kilometers away, and I don't know how many miles, but that's the Quran site.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: But so some Christians believe that's even when Noah's Ark landed.
35:33
SPEAKER_00: Um, but they don't have a specific location you can look at and say, well, it landed there or there, and no evidence.
35:40
SPEAKER_00: I tell people, look, we have a site we're studying that okay, right now we're not, we're in the you know, middle of a research program.
35:47
SPEAKER_00: Job is to find more information and more data that can prove it.
35:51
SPEAKER_00: At this point, for myself, I think it's the best candidate.
35:54
SPEAKER_00: Just like Sally says, it's the exact link, it's it's the shape of an arc, uh, you have these layers below the ground, you have the difference in the soil, all of this suggesting that this is the site.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: And here's another thing that's interesting.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: The ancient names in this area.
36:09
SPEAKER_00: You have, I was just talking two days ago with a local who live he used to live in the village right beside Noah's Ark, and now he's downtown like 30 minutes of drive away.
36:19
SPEAKER_00: But he was saying that the name of this village, uh, and he means the same thing Ron Wyatt knew about because he had interviewed local people here.
36:27
SPEAKER_00: But his name is Mushar.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: Mushar means judgment day or doomsday or um Armageddon.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: If you type in the word mushar in Google Translate in Turkish, it will say right there in response, it will say Armageddon or Judgment Day.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: So here's the boat.
36:45
SPEAKER_00: When you know, you think of the story of Noah's Ark, and it was the story of judgment and salvation.
36:51
SPEAKER_00: It was Armageddon for the world at that time.
36:53
SPEAKER_00: It's a you know, only eight people survived and the animals that were on the ship, but the all the other mammals and the population of the world was destroyed by God at that time.
37:03
SPEAKER_00: And so now the ship is landed on this mountain they call today, the locals call Judgment Day or Doomsday or Armageddon.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: Um, and the village right next to it, or I'm looking on the hill overlooking the ark, that's it has the same ancient name of uh Armageddon or Judgment Day.
37:22
SPEAKER_00: And then you think about what Jesus said that the end of the world uh will be like the days of Noah.
37:28
SPEAKER_00: And now you have we're in the end times, I believe, myself, and we're living in a time where everyone's talking about Noah's Ark, it seems like, especially the last couple years.
37:37
SPEAKER_00: So everything's coming together.
37:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, so when a geologist says, I'm not interested in your site, or I don't care whether they're Christian or not, to me, I think they're losing out on an opportunity to study a very unique site, and let's work together and see what's there.
37:52
SPEAKER_00: We're not finished, but at the same time, I think it's too early to write it off.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: So when someone says, uh, this is not it, uh, I say, okay, you can say that, but we still have a lot more work to do.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: So why can't why can't you wait and see what we find, especially after this year, uh, instead of making that conclusion, I think they're saying it too early.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: Let's wait and see.
38:13
SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think we'll find ever a plaque that says made by Noah and sons.
38:17
SPEAKER_00: You know, someone says, How certain are you that this is Noah's Ark?
38:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, you're dealing you're dealing when you like in archaeology or geology with degrees of certainty, you know.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, we know for sure where Jerusalem is, for example, and we know like these are the pyramids, things like that.
38:33
SPEAKER_00: But there are other things in the Bible or in archaeology where you're like, okay, we're 80% sure or 75%, like this is this city, or that this is uh interpreted correctly this way.
38:45
SPEAKER_00: And and so that's the same as this.
38:47
SPEAKER_00: Like, unless you we do find like something that says made by Noah, then you're gonna look at it like a court case, circumstantial evidence, you're gonna build the case.
38:55
SPEAKER_00: You're gonna say, okay, it's in the mountains, away from the water, at 6,500 feet elevation, is a boat shape.
39:01
SPEAKER_00: We've now we're we hope we will prove that it's man-made.
39:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh, then so you have a boat shape that's man-made, and wow, it's 300 qubits long, exactly what Genesis chapter 6 says in the Bible.
39:12
SPEAKER_00: So now you have the it almost like a divine imprint, this measurement that fits exactly our site.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: Oh, and then we get more data, show rooms down there, we show animals were there, uh, you know, just these different things, the ancient place names around here, talking about uh like there's one right above the ark that says it's it's called uh where the blackbird won't land.
39:34
SPEAKER_00: Uh crow and ravens are blackbirds.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: In the Bible, the story of Noah releasing the raven or blackbird, and it comes back because it couldn't land anywhere, they have a place name right above the ark and a village next to it, also that's called that in Turkish.
39:49
SPEAKER_00: They they say, well, it's because the locals saw so many blackbirds and they would shoot the birds so they wouldn't land there.
39:55
SPEAKER_00: That's where they got the name.
39:57
SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, in the Bible, when Noah's Ark was coming, you know, at the end of the flood, and Noah was looking for dry land, and the ark and the water was slowly coming down, he sent out the bird to try to find it, you know, and it uh he couldn't.
40:13
SPEAKER_00: And so that same story is now a place name right near the site.
40:17
SPEAKER_00: Uh so with a blackbird want land, and we have judgment day mountain.
40:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh you have you know all this together, it's a court case.
40:24
SPEAKER_00: And to me, this is what we're seeing.
40:27
SPEAKER_00: So when uh uh someone like a geologist uh want uh doesn't even want to put the time and effort into it, or they want to uh be an armchair expert and stay home and talk about this, they're gonna make wrong conclusions.
40:40
SPEAKER_00: We had people who who write in papers and say this is a solid block of rock.
40:45
SPEAKER_00: They said, Oh, that's not Noah's Ark, it's a solid limestone rock that slowly slid down the mountainside, and then over millions of years, glaciers formed into a boat.
40:55
SPEAKER_00: That's what I saw one Turkish geologist write.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: And you wonder, did the guy ever walk out here?
41:00
SPEAKER_00: Because when you're walking the site, it's a fragile earthen, you know, dirt shape.
41:05
SPEAKER_00: There's one boulder in the middle.
41:07
SPEAKER_00: You have different rock type sizes that filled in that covered the site with the dirt, but it's not a solid block of rock.
41:14
SPEAKER_00: And so you have that people saying stuff that you're wondering, did they even come out here?
41:18
SPEAKER_00: But they're the experts, you know, they they have their PhD, and but they they obviously have not walked the site.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: Uh, Dr.
41:25
SPEAKER_00: Sale, who again is a geologist, a professional sedimentologist, he used to teach it.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: He's a researcher.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: Even though he's retired now, this was his, I think you say his baby.
41:35
SPEAKER_00: He was he's been out here so many times, knows the whole mountainside and the regional geology.
41:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh, even though he's not a Christian, he does believe in the flood story.
41:44
SPEAKER_00: And he says this is the best possible candidate.
41:47
SPEAKER_00: This is not a sincline, it's not a solid block of rock, uh it's not um earth or mud going around a rock and making a ship shape, like some critics say.
41:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and this is unique.
41:59
SPEAKER_00: Some people say, oh, this is all over the place.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: You find these ship shapes.
42:02
SPEAKER_00: No, in 1959, when they first photographed this from a high-altitude airplane, they didn't see a whole fleet of Noah's art.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: You know, there's they only saw one, and this one was right behind me.
42:14
SPEAKER_00: And that's why that got everybody interested.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: It was in the news, 1959, 1960.
42:18
SPEAKER_00: Uh, is because one unique ship shape uh that was found here, not 12 or 20 years or whatever.
42:26
SPEAKER_00: Uh so it is a unique site.
42:28
SPEAKER_02: And uh after 4,500 years, where is the actual petrified wood?
42:34
SPEAKER_02: Why do we only see chemical traces instead of clear timber remains?
42:38
SPEAKER_00: The top of the site, when you come out here, if you go on a tour or come on your own and walk it, the the outside, the top of it, it's basically the shape of what was once there.
42:49
SPEAKER_00: Now, what people have noticed, um uh, and this is even mentioned by Captain Duropanar.
42:54
SPEAKER_00: He's the Turkish uh army captain, a cryptographer.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: You know, he made he made maps for the Turkish government.
43:00
SPEAKER_00: In 1959, when he discovered this site, they you know, later they named the site after him.
43:04
SPEAKER_00: So it's called the Duropanar Nozark site.
43:07
SPEAKER_00: Um he was in this interview, he he mentioned that the soil of the site is very uh different, it's harder than the soil outside.
43:14
SPEAKER_00: That's a good question.
43:15
SPEAKER_00: Why has this site existed all these years?
43:18
SPEAKER_00: You know, why is it there and not destroyed and fallen away after 4,000 years?
43:23
SPEAKER_00: Um, but he noticed that the soil is different.
43:25
SPEAKER_00: Dr.
43:25
SPEAKER_00: Salibray Tutan even mentioned this to me too, as a geologist.
43:28
SPEAKER_00: He said, we need to, uh, and this has not been studied.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: He said, look, we physically can see that the soil of the site was holding it together is a different property.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: It's it's harder material.
43:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, you could snarize that was it the bitumen or the pitch or the stuff that they waterproof the boat, did that affect the soil?
43:46
SPEAKER_00: Now, what about the wood?
43:48
SPEAKER_00: Where is the wood?
43:49
SPEAKER_00: Well, you talk about 4,000 years, and most wood would have decayed a long time ago.
43:54
SPEAKER_00: But the possibility that what we're seeing with the GPR, with these layers of the ERT and the rock.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: Angles below the ground, it's possible that those are fossilized or mineralized timber, wood that has decayed away but got replaced by uh minerals like silica, and so that would have kept the shape, and it would be a different hardness and different property than the regular soil around.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: And that's possibly what we're seeing, you know, with the GPR and the ERT, these different types of scans that show what's below the surface.
44:25
SPEAKER_00: It's showing deep in the ground that there's something still there.
44:28
SPEAKER_00: So with it being a pattern of reflections, we don't think it's just natural geology.
44:33
SPEAKER_00: So that would mean that yes, maybe there are preserved wood down below, but that has been fossilized or turned to stone or mineralized that got the cells replaced from the wood cells to silicon minerals that kept the shape and everything but didn't fall out.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: On the surface, yes.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: You're looking at nothing that you like, I can't walk there and say, oh, there's a this is a piece of petrified wood.
44:56
SPEAKER_00: You know, some people misinterpret some of the rocks there and they say, Oh, this is wood.
45:00
SPEAKER_00: But when I walk there with a geologist, he says, no, no, no, that's like uh submarine basalt.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's a volcanic, this or that.
45:06
SPEAKER_00: And it's true, mud and dirt has covered the site.
45:08
SPEAKER_00: Now, if you look at other archaeological sites that are boats, uh Viking burial ships like Suthenhu in in uh England for 400 years ago or so.
45:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, I might have the dates wrong or that, but you know, it was Middle Ages.
45:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh look at Greek or Roman ships or early or late Bronze Age ships that they find in the water or even above ground, because the water is gone now at that location.
45:30
SPEAKER_00: The ships they find in the harbors of old Constantinople, modern-day Istanbul, the old uh harbor there, when they excavated out the area for a new tunnel for transportation.
45:41
SPEAKER_00: They discovered the ancient harbor of the Byzantine Kingdom time, I think it was, or maybe it was uh earlier, the Greeks before that.
45:49
SPEAKER_00: But at any rate, they find the halls of the ship.
45:52
SPEAKER_00: Everything else is gone, but the soil has preserved just the hall.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: And so it's very fragile.
45:57
SPEAKER_00: And one of the museums at the Istabul University, they have photographs and stuff that they found at this excavation.
46:04
SPEAKER_00: And you can see maybe half a dozen of these ships from the ancient harbor that sunk into the mud, got covered up.
46:10
SPEAKER_00: So it all depends, you know, on the environment.
46:13
SPEAKER_00: If this was a really dry environment, like in Egypt, you have mummies that get preserved, ancient wood, they they find wood in the pyramids, uh, in the tombs, wooden objects like Newton Commons tomb from 3,500 years ago, you're finding ancient wood still there because it was dry air.
46:31
SPEAKER_00: But you also find ancient wood in wet environments.
46:35
SPEAKER_00: Peat moss, uh, these bogs where it has uh where there's no um oxygen, less oxygen.
46:41
SPEAKER_00: When this covers up a site, it preserves organic people's clothing, bodies.
46:46
SPEAKER_00: They find in some of these peat moss, they have found um almost like mummified remains of people who lived in that area.
46:52
SPEAKER_00: And if a possibility that deep in the mountainside there is preserved materials uh still or fossilized or mineralized, it's a very high likelihood.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh again, it will depend on the type of soil you're in.
47:06
SPEAKER_00: But a traditional archaeological site, when you excavate a ship, you'll find the shape there, but maybe all the material is gone, like soothing who.
47:14
SPEAKER_00: It's the imprint of the ship, and you see the rivets.
47:17
SPEAKER_00: If you looked uh and you can go to the British Museum and they have artifacts and photographs from that excavation, or look on Google.
47:23
SPEAKER_00: And or if you go to look at some of the ancient ships found around the Mediterranean, you'll again find that when they excavate the site, if the soil conditions are right, some of the wood is preserved.
47:34
SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, it just leaves the shape of the boat.
47:37
SPEAKER_00: And so we think more is preserved there than just that shape you see that's covered with dirt.
47:42
SPEAKER_00: We think deep below there's more to it, and we hope that this year, you know, or drill down in there, stick a camera, pull out samples that would uh show what it is.
47:52
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yes, and some of your data was analyzed by non-Christian or 80s researchers.
47:57
SPEAKER_02: So what was their honest reaction?
47:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so well, I I don't know.
48:01
SPEAKER_00: Like the lady who analyzed the she's the geophysicist.
48:05
SPEAKER_00: I don't know her background, so maybe she's Christian or not, but she was definitely not looking for Noah's Ark.
48:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh, she was not part of our team.
48:11
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, at first she was thinking, uh I mentioned earlier that we had drilled or dug a tunnel for utility lines, and we said, no, no, this is not.
48:18
SPEAKER_00: This is you know, and we finally told her, look, this is the ship shape, and we have this going down there.
48:23
SPEAKER_00: And so she was amazed that, you know, you have these patterns of voids and that's like four meters down and some of them deeper.
48:29
SPEAKER_00: But we really do need to get inside there to see what they are and what's going on.
48:33
SPEAKER_00: That's why we want to put in a camera on the side.
48:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I know during the science channel filming where we had found some of these parallel lines about three meters down, and it was captured on camera.
48:45
SPEAKER_00: The moment they found it, the GPR um technician was looking through the data and he's going down from surface, like you know, one meter, two meter, three meter.
48:54
SPEAKER_00: A friend of mine had his iPhone.
48:55
SPEAKER_00: They're out on the boat shake, you know, doing this work, and everyone else was over here at the visitor center where I'm at right now.
49:02
SPEAKER_00: And they came running back up.
49:03
SPEAKER_00: They said, Hey, we think we found something right here.
49:06
SPEAKER_00: And that the science channel and their cameras, they all got excited.
49:09
SPEAKER_00: They had to do an interview right there on the spot.
49:11
SPEAKER_00: And the guy, the producer, this team was from London.
49:14
SPEAKER_00: It was a film production company, and they told us, look, we're atheists uh or agnostic.
49:18
SPEAKER_00: A lot of them had grown up in the church or in the faith, and then they left.
49:22
SPEAKER_00: And they said, This is exciting, you know, but we're here to do a job.
49:25
SPEAKER_00: And with the guy who uh did the lidar scans, I remember, he said he was atheist.
49:28
SPEAKER_00: He's not a professional.
49:30
SPEAKER_00: I'm here because you paid us to come collect the data.
49:33
SPEAKER_00: And so, anyways, the next day, the producer from England told me, he said, last night I called my grandmother, who's a faithful believer in Noah's Ark.
49:42
SPEAKER_00: In fact, he said she was like a Catholic.
49:44
SPEAKER_00: And he was so excited because he told her, look, you know, even though I don't believe in the story, we possibly need on the real Noah's Ark.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: And he mentioned that they had found below the surface these parallel lines that's showing that the possible man-made material, you know, three meters down.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: And so he was very excited.
50:01
SPEAKER_00: He shared that with us.
50:02
SPEAKER_00: You know, we never kept in contact with them, you know, after the work is done, you keep in contact for maybe six months and then you know they go on with their lives and the next project, and you do the same.
50:12
SPEAKER_00: But, you know, maybe I planted a seed.
50:14
SPEAKER_00: Like maybe this material, this information is planting seeds with people, and our job is to do that according to the Bible.
50:22
SPEAKER_00: Then the Holy Spirit will guide these people, and then hopefully, if they have uh a right heart and searching, you know, honestly, they'll come to the truth.
50:31
SPEAKER_00: What we're doing here is not for everyone.
50:34
SPEAKER_00: Like I don't need to find Noah's Ark to believe in the Bible.
50:37
SPEAKER_00: As I mentioned earlier, I grew up a strong believer.
50:39
SPEAKER_00: There are times during college years, you kind of wander away, but not in the sense that I always knew there was a God.
50:45
SPEAKER_00: I never said, Oh, there's no God to them.
50:46
SPEAKER_00: I suddenly believe there's God again.
50:48
SPEAKER_00: You know, for me, it was not like that.
50:50
SPEAKER_00: But I know there are people out there who never believed in God, but they're searching for truth, and they need this type of information, like scientific fact about these stories in the Bible.
50:59
SPEAKER_00: And just like the disciple doubting Thomas, we call him today, but the apostle Thomas, when he after the resurrection, he heard of these stories that Jesus was alive again.
51:10
SPEAKER_00: He didn't believe it.
51:11
SPEAKER_00: But he expressed his doubts.
51:13
SPEAKER_00: He said he wanted to see the facts.
51:15
SPEAKER_00: He wanted to see physically Jesus, and God answered his prayers.
51:19
SPEAKER_00: You know, God didn't say, Ah, I don't want to show you anything.
51:22
SPEAKER_00: No, God actually answered his prayers, and Jesus appeared to him, and he could see the the nail prints in his hands and the the wound in his side, and then he believed.
51:31
SPEAKER_00: And you know, of course, God did Jesus tell him something to uh I'm summarizing here, but but basically he's telling Tom is like, you know, bless those who believe without seeing.
51:42
SPEAKER_00: You know, there are many people who are gonna believe in Jesus and God without having seen the real nose ark, but there are those who need that, and you know, that's why I think that's what we're doing is presenting biblical archaeological data, and so it's not just science, it's also truth, you know, that's biblical, and so it's gonna affect people's souls.
52:02
SPEAKER_00: And so it's very exciting to be a part of that, you know, a lot of pressure too.
52:06
SPEAKER_00: This is not what I wanted to do when I was a kid.
52:08
SPEAKER_00: I didn't think I'd be here doing this type of stuff, but uh, God opened the doors, uh, so it worked out that way.
52:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we gave into that, brother Andrew.
52:16
SPEAKER_02: And uh the Bible says that the ark rested on the mountains of Ararat, and your site is 30 kilometers south.
52:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you actually said it right, but then the conclusion was wrong.
52:27
SPEAKER_00: So here the Bible says mountains, so plural, mountains of Arat, uh, not Mount Arat, uh, which is one mountain.
52:36
SPEAKER_00: Uh Mount Arat is the tallest mountain in Turkey is Mount Arat, and that's right in front of me there, right across the valley.
52:43
SPEAKER_00: So it's 30 kilometers, about 19 miles north of me.
52:46
SPEAKER_00: But the Bible says mountains of Arat.
52:48
SPEAKER_00: Now, the word Arat comes from the ancient kingdom that was used to occupy this area.
52:54
SPEAKER_00: Today we're in Turkey, 4,000.
52:56
SPEAKER_00: When Moses, I believe Moses wrote the book of Genesis.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: So when you look in the Old Testament, there's like four or five places that mentions Erat.
53:02
SPEAKER_00: But verses, that's because of the name Urar II, which was an Iron Age kingdom that was in this area.
53:09
SPEAKER_00: So when Moses wrote Genesis, he put down Erat, or even later scribes changed what was used to be whatever the name was at the time of Moses.
53:17
SPEAKER_00: That word Urar II becomes today's English word Erat.
53:21
SPEAKER_00: Now, what was this ancient kingdom?
53:22
SPEAKER_00: It was a mountainous kingdom that covered, it was a political entity and it covered a whole area of mountains, not just Mount Erat, capital city of the kingdom of Erat or Urar II, is two hours south of here.
53:35
SPEAKER_00: Tushba, which is modern-day Von in Turkey, on the shores of Lake Vaughan, that's the capital city of this ancient kingdom.
53:42
SPEAKER_00: And in the greatest extance of this kingdom, it goes all the way north here in Turkmenia, it goes into Iran, but also covers a large portion of eastern Turkey.
53:52
SPEAKER_00: And this is where our site is.
53:53
SPEAKER_00: So whether if you say Noah's Ark is up on Mount Arat, the volcano, or you say Noah's Ark is right here, you know, 30 kilometers south, both sites are actually in the mountains of or two, or the mountains of Arat.
54:07
SPEAKER_00: So that doesn't uh exclude any sites here, except for anybody who's saying, you know, I have I've had people email me and say Noah's Ark landed in Pennsylvania.
54:15
SPEAKER_00: I was like, how?
54:16
SPEAKER_00: That's not mountains of Arat.
54:17
SPEAKER_00: No, Arat is a kingdom that's in a very specific area.
54:20
SPEAKER_00: Another person emailed me and said Noah's Ark and Mount is in Africa.
54:25
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, no, it's not.
54:26
SPEAKER_00: I'd like what kind of geography are you looking at?
54:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then finally, one other person said it's near um Tibet and Everest, far east, eastern Asia area.
54:36
SPEAKER_00: So uh, you know, the Bible is very clear, it's in the but not the exact spot.
54:40
SPEAKER_00: You know, Moses did not give us the GPS to where Noah's Ark landed.
54:43
SPEAKER_00: He just said Noah's Ark landed in the mountains of this ancient kingdom or the mountains of Erat.
54:49
SPEAKER_00: So it's not an exact peak.
54:51
SPEAKER_00: The modern-day Arat peak uh was given to it in the Middle Ages.
54:56
SPEAKER_00: Okay, this is Mount Arat.
54:57
SPEAKER_00: But the actual biblical verse, you know, Genesis chapter 8, verse 4, says Noah's Ark landed in the mountains of Arrat.
55:05
SPEAKER_00: That is this general eastern Turkey area.
55:09
SPEAKER_02: Wow, thank you for that.
55:11
SPEAKER_02: And in your own opinion, why God allowed Noah's Ark to be landed in the mountains of Ararat?
55:17
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's a good question.
55:18
SPEAKER_00: You know, I sometimes with my friends when we have all these problems trying to get work done out here, or it's so cold or whatever, I was like, why didn't Noah's Ark land in Tahiti, you know, some South Pacific island?
55:29
SPEAKER_00: Or why didn't it land in Hawaii?
55:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean, an American or the Philippines, you know, all mangoes and bananas.
55:35
SPEAKER_00: And why out here in the mountains of Era?
55:38
SPEAKER_00: And I think one thing, I don't know why.
55:40
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, it had to land on land, and the animals had to then disperse to around the world.
55:45
SPEAKER_00: So it couldn't uh the the ark could not land on an isolated island, then they'll be stuck there.
55:50
SPEAKER_00: They couldn't get off the island.
55:52
SPEAKER_00: No, the uh the ark had to uh land in where there's a lot of land and connected to around the world.
55:57
SPEAKER_00: And what we're finding from archaeology and uh ancient DNA studies that civilization and the dispersal of domestic crops and some of the animals, it all started in Anatolia, which is you know ancient Turkey area, this area we're in Turkey.
56:12
SPEAKER_00: Uh so you have the Caucasus Mountains here in Georgia, eastern Turkey, Armenia, this area, you have the general area of Turkey, Anatolia, and this is where you find the wheat was domesticated, you find people spreading out, languages spreading out, and Turkey was the crossroads for Europe, Asia, Africa, like here.
56:31
SPEAKER_00: They all spread out.
56:32
SPEAKER_00: So it fits the Tower of Babel story, it fits the story of Noah's Ark.
56:35
SPEAKER_00: It's the best place, I would say, for Noah's Ark in regards to that.
56:39
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't in the middle of the Antarctica, it wasn't where there's lots of snow or isolated island.
56:44
SPEAKER_00: No, it was right at the crossroads for all these continents, which then you know through Siberia and to the Americas.
56:51
SPEAKER_00: So I knew what he was doing.
56:53
SPEAKER_00: It's a perfect spot for it, even though I think it should have been a tropical island, like then uh do the research and have so what is that uh Philippine drink that they has saved ice?
57:03
SPEAKER_00: And you have all the oh, what's that?
57:05
SPEAKER_00: That word is on the tip of my tongue.
57:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you know the streets just uh you know why can't I have halo halo as I research now as art?
57:14
SPEAKER_02: That's very good.
57:16
SPEAKER_02: Andrew, you're preparing for more work from the B Sitter Center overlooking the site.
57:20
SPEAKER_02: So, what's the biggest technical or political obstacle to preventing a controlled excavation right now?
57:27
SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, uh so what we're doing this year, it's a geological geophysical research expedition that's been approved by the Praktik government.
57:35
SPEAKER_00: And so what's included?
57:36
SPEAKER_00: We have a monthly plan that was approved.
57:38
SPEAKER_00: That includes things like a new type of radar that goes super deep into the soil and gives us high resolution all the way down.
57:46
SPEAKER_00: So we're hoping we can map out more of what's deep in the mountainside and also reconfirm what we saw on the 2019 GPR.
57:54
SPEAKER_00: We would like to reconfirm that with this new GPR that we want to do this next month.
57:58
SPEAKER_00: So we have new GPR, we have new geophysical surveys that have not been done on the arc, empty, seismic.
58:04
SPEAKER_00: And we also put down more GPR.
58:06
SPEAKER_00: We want to finish everything we can this year.
58:08
SPEAKER_00: Which the new thing is core drilling and some of the soil testing we want to do deeper into the site, sticking cameras into the voids.
58:15
SPEAKER_00: You know, those are things that have not been done.
58:17
SPEAKER_00: What's really stopping us?
58:18
SPEAKER_00: Nothing's really stopping us per se.
58:20
SPEAKER_00: Like we have the permits, we have lined up uh the different people involved for different phases.
58:25
SPEAKER_00: You know, unless there's some hopefully not war that happens right here in this area.
58:29
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna do the work this year.
58:31
SPEAKER_00: And so we're just gonna everyone to pray for the efforts that the doors stay open.
58:35
SPEAKER_00: Of course, we're fundraising, everything takes money, but we believe that you know God will provide.
58:40
SPEAKER_00: So we're just moving one step at a time.
58:41
SPEAKER_00: So month by month, we'll be doing these things that are on the plan.
58:44
SPEAKER_00: You know, if everything works out and we'll have it all done, um, we can give an update next October or November.
58:49
SPEAKER_00: I don't see anything besides fundraising that would stop the the work.
58:54
SPEAKER_00: You know, we do have a good chunk set aside, you know, 100% of the budget, but I believe God guides you.
58:59
SPEAKER_00: And so we're gonna do this step by step.
59:02
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's how the funding will come in, it will be month by month to do the work.
59:06
SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, the politically and any other obstacle I don't see that being a problem.
59:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, fantastic.
59:11
SPEAKER_02: And uh any Christian or Catholics hold to a literal reading of Genesis.
59:16
SPEAKER_02: So if your research proves the ark existed, so what do you think, Andrew?
59:22
SPEAKER_00: They say, Oh, it's allegories or stories, which is uh I think those who don't hold it's literal, but they're Christians, they'll have to change their mind and say, Wow, okay, we have physical proof, like you know, doubting Thomas.
59:34
SPEAKER_00: Uh, so that will uh uh give them more faith in what they believe, but it'll show that physically was a true story of Noah's Ark.
59:41
SPEAKER_00: Those who already believe in the story and they believe that you know the book of Genesis is literal, this will be exciting news because many people have been attacked or made fun of.
59:50
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's even foretold in the New Testament where it talks about that during the last days you'll have scoffers, people who make fun of other people, and they will say, Where is the coming of the Lord?
1:00:02
SPEAKER_00: Like they'll make fun of the the idea that there's going to be a second coming.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_00: But he says that these scoffers were the same type of people who say that the world was not created out of water, like you know, the creation story, that there was no flood, that the God did not destroy the world by water.
1:00:18
SPEAKER_00: So these are the people we see today.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_00: They make fun of this idea that there was a destruction of the world by a flood, that Noah's Ark existed.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_00: And so what you see today happening with the story where people say, no, it's not real, that was predicted, you know, in the New Testament time.
1:00:33
SPEAKER_00: And so I think that this will uh for those who are really searching, it will affirm their faith, it will bring them to the faith.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_00: Those who don't even care, um, you know, the time of Christ, Jesus said to the Pharisees and others, he said if I were to raise somebody from the dead, if your heart is not true, then that's not getting gonna affect it.
1:00:50
SPEAKER_00: He said that these people would still not believe that he was the Messiah if he were to raise someone from the dead.
1:00:55
SPEAKER_00: And sure enough, you know, that's the greatest miracle, right?
1:00:57
SPEAKER_00: Bringing somebody back to life that was dead.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_00: But there are people who saw that and still didn't believe.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_00: And look at the story of Lazarus, Jesus raised them from the dead after three days being dead.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_00: And what do they want to do?
1:01:09
SPEAKER_00: It says in the Bible that they tried to kill Lazarus after that.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_00: And so the idea that you're gonna have the ultimate proof that will change the whole world, you know.
1:01:16
SPEAKER_00: I I don't know what God wants to do with the whole story of Noah's Ark right now, but I do know that you will always have scoffers, you will always have doubters, and no matter what we find here, these type of people won't be convinced.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_00: So we just pray for them, but uh that's not gonna stop us, so we're gonna keep doing our work.
1:01:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:01:33
SPEAKER_02: Do you believe that there will be another flood that will happen in our lifetime?
1:01:38
SPEAKER_00: When you read the Bible story, so I take it literal.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_00: So when and I believe the promises of God, and so when he told Noah that the rainbow is a sign of the covenant, that he will not destroy the world with a flood again.
1:01:50
SPEAKER_00: Now, today you find regional floods, you know, rivers flood, people die from drowning.
1:01:56
SPEAKER_00: You find storms hitting, like hurricanes, a lot of water comes, a town gets flooded, a dam breaks, a city gets flooded.
1:02:03
SPEAKER_00: So we know from that promise that he's talking about a global flood, because we believe that God's promises are true.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_00: So when he says that he will not destroy the world again by flood, it won't happen.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_00: So I I really do believe that no, we will not see uh the earth destroyed by water again, but according to the Bible, it will be destroyed by fire on the next time.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_00: And so that that would be at the you know during the end of the world.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:02:28
SPEAKER_02: And uh I'm shifting gears here because uh the Noahs are.
1:02:31
SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh in in in after the great flood, uh sign of covenant is the rainbow.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh the rainbow.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_02: But right now, rainbow was used to gender ideology, LGBT.
1:02:44
SPEAKER_02: So, what's her thought on this?
1:02:46
SPEAKER_00: Well, I saw a friend sent me uh uh an image and it was this guy saying, Let's reclaim the symbol.
1:02:52
SPEAKER_00: You know, originally the biblical symbol was the covenant.
1:02:56
SPEAKER_00: Now it's been hijacked by different ideologies, as you said, and in groups, but I really believe that the original symbol is uh we see beautiful rainbows out here.
1:03:06
SPEAKER_00: In fact, I got some amazing photos of a double rainbow right below the arc site, usually when the sun is setting over there.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_00: In fact, we just had rain.
1:03:13
SPEAKER_00: I wonder sometimes you will see usually you'll see the rainbow right over here.
1:03:17
SPEAKER_00: So it's right below the rainbow.
1:03:21
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I'll have to send it.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_00: Yes, put that in because this was taken, you know, right below the site.
1:03:26
SPEAKER_00: And amazing, clear rainbow photos.
1:03:28
SPEAKER_00: And of course, it's special.
1:03:29
SPEAKER_00: You see, rainbows are the world, but it's special because it means that God has kept his promise.
1:03:34
SPEAKER_00: And when you see that, you know that you're not gonna have to expect the uh the world to be destroyed by water again.
1:03:39
SPEAKER_00: And I think as Christians, that's what you need to promote that idea and forget those who are trying, not forget those, but I mean forget the ideologies that are being presented today that's corrupting the original symbol.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_00: You know, people over time have taken symbols to for their own purposes, but from the biblical standpoint, it were it's it's God's covenant with us.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_00: And so it's very special for that point of view.
1:04:03
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's what we need to promote.
1:04:04
SPEAKER_00: And as my friend said, let's reclaim it and let's use that to promote God's promises that they are true.
1:04:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's reclaim it because right now it's June.
1:04:15
SPEAKER_02: Uh they and they use it is uh June as Pride Month, you know.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, I'm yes uh being over here in Turkey, you don't hear much about that.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_00: But I forgot, like in America, you always hear in June, Pride Month, but I'll send you those photos, and now we're doing this interview in June.
1:04:31
SPEAKER_00: It's a good time we can uh start reclaiming that symbol.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_02: If your research ultimately proven correct, so how do you think it will be that impact to the word?
1:04:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I think it's amazing.
1:04:41
SPEAKER_00: You know, when they found proof of like the Hittite kingdom, many people had doubted up to through the 1800s and 1900s that the Hittites were the Old Testament talked about this ancient kingdom, and there was no proof that it ever existed.
1:04:54
SPEAKER_00: So scoffers would say, uh, you know, the Bible is wrong, you know, who are the Hittites?
1:04:58
SPEAKER_00: Then they found proof.
1:04:59
SPEAKER_00: And Shira even went out to the capital cities, the ancient ruined site in the middle of Turkey called Hatusha, right near Ankara.
1:05:08
SPEAKER_00: It's amazing to see the walls of this ancient capital that was an empire, uh a superpower, like the U.S.
1:05:14
SPEAKER_00: and uh that used to, you know, today we say we're the superpower.
1:05:17
SPEAKER_00: Well, back then you had Hittites, ancient Egypt, later on, you had Babylon.
1:05:22
SPEAKER_00: The biblical flood, the global flood mentioned in the Bible, the flood of Noah, that that's a huge story that people like to attack because it seems impossible.
1:05:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, water covering the whole earth, uh, what happened to the millions of years in life forms slowly forming and the continents slowly, you know, changing.
1:05:39
SPEAKER_00: Here we have a catastrophic event that happens over a period of one year, basically, that changes the whole world.
1:05:46
SPEAKER_00: For those searching for truth, that's gonna mean a lot to when they're like, wow, okay, this is true.
1:05:51
SPEAKER_00: This means that God is true.
1:05:52
SPEAKER_00: I need to read more of the Bible to figure out what's going on.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_00: I really do believe that Noah's Ark existed and that there was a flood.
1:05:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_02: And before we wrap up, Andrew, uh, there's a some question from our viewer here.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_02: Why decide the Rupinar near Mount Ararat and not others?
1:06:08
SPEAKER_02: Some believe the Ark landed on Mount Everest or even in South Africa.
1:06:12
SPEAKER_02: What makes you confident this is the correct location?
1:06:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in fact, I mentioned that.
1:06:17
SPEAKER_00: Remember, I said some people say it was in Africa, Everest.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_00: Well, the Bible is very clear, and this narrows down, it actually excludes those sites that are thousands of miles away.
1:06:28
SPEAKER_00: It narrows down to this area of the world.
1:06:30
SPEAKER_00: The Bible says the Ark landed.
1:06:33
SPEAKER_00: This is Genesis chapter 8, verse 4.
1:06:35
SPEAKER_00: The Ark landed in the mountains of Canada.
1:06:38
SPEAKER_00: But no, it says the mountains of Erat.
1:06:41
SPEAKER_00: Mountains of Erat, again, Erat is the English word we get today, but back then it was called Uru.
1:06:47
SPEAKER_00: It was an ancient kingdom, and that's how we get the modern word erat.
1:06:51
SPEAKER_00: So we're in the right location.
1:06:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh it's in the territory where we're at today.
1:06:55
SPEAKER_00: This is the territory of the kingdom of Urartu.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_00: This is not uh South Africa, not so too far away.
1:07:01
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, if I go where the Bible says, and I believe the Bible is an inspired word of God, there are other ancient historians that talked about Noah's Ark.
1:07:08
SPEAKER_00: You know, there are flood stories around the world, but the Bible, I believe, has the true account of the flood, and it says mountains of Arat, and that's where we're at.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_00: The person didn't mention one other claim, and that's Mount Arrat.
1:07:19
SPEAKER_00: You know, people say it's up there in the uh the mountain, and that's a possibility.
1:07:23
SPEAKER_00: We know we have a site here today that we can walk on, look at, research.
1:07:28
SPEAKER_00: People who say, oh, it's somewhere up on the mountain.
1:07:31
SPEAKER_00: I have not had a chance to see one uh actual photograph of a ship up there.
1:07:36
SPEAKER_00: I've seen pieces of wood, and people say they went into an ice cave, and you can see all this wood in the ice.
1:07:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh, is that you know a mog home, a hunter's cabin?
1:07:45
SPEAKER_00: Is it fake?
1:07:46
SPEAKER_00: Uh, if this is really Nozark up there, let's see it.
1:07:49
SPEAKER_00: There's been so many conflicting eyewitness accounts, but when you actually look at the geological data for Mount Arrat, which is you know right north of me, 30 kilometers, and you can see it with no clouds right now.
1:08:01
SPEAKER_00: It's raining up there.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_00: But that mountain is a post-flood volcano.
1:08:05
SPEAKER_00: After the flood waters went away, that mountain erupted.
1:08:09
SPEAKER_00: It's called a stratovolcano.
1:08:11
SPEAKER_00: So uh there are three or four different types of volcanoes in the world, and these type of mountains, as they're formed, they're formed different ways.
1:08:19
SPEAKER_00: A stratovolcano is formed, and it's also called a composite volcano because it's made up of layers.
1:08:25
SPEAKER_00: So every eruption it starts with nothing.
1:08:28
SPEAKER_00: And the lava, you know, you have the first eruption, you have a little hill, and you have another eruption, and another eruption, and another, and it builds the mountain.
1:08:35
SPEAKER_00: And that's why these stratovolcano type of mountains, they have these all this perfect cones.
1:08:41
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's really nice shape, uh pointed peak.
1:08:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh Mount Um Fuji, Mount uh uh Taranaki in uh New Zealand, Mount Rainier in Washington State in America.
1:08:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh there are many stratovolcanoes around the world, and they all have this cone shape because every eruption built it up.
1:08:59
SPEAKER_00: And the last eruption for Mount Arat, where some people say the ark is, with no proof, but the last eruption was over 100 years ago, 1840 or 1841, on the north side, there was a big eruption that blew out the north side, created uh a big canyon, a big scar on the face of that north side of Mount Arat.
1:09:18
SPEAKER_00: And that was the last time the mountain erupted.
1:09:21
SPEAKER_00: So even in modern times, you know, 1800s, they had a huge eruption there.
1:09:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, and all the other eruptions that formed the mountain happened after the flood.
1:09:30
SPEAKER_00: How do we know that?
1:09:31
SPEAKER_00: Because the lava that's on the mountain is above uh water lava, it didn't erupt underwater.
1:09:37
SPEAKER_00: If they say that this was a mountain that was formed during the flood, and then when the flood waters went away, the ark landed on it.
1:09:43
SPEAKER_00: And then the lava should be submarine pillow lava.
1:09:47
SPEAKER_00: This is a type of lava that forms under the water, like in Hawaii.
1:09:50
SPEAKER_00: When you go there, you see there, or you look on YouTube, watch videos of lava.
1:09:54
SPEAKER_00: When it hits water, there's hot rock, molten rock, it hits cold water and it forms, uh, it pillows out.
1:10:00
SPEAKER_00: So they call it pillow lava because it forms like a ball, like it's a pillow shape.
1:10:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh, there's no pillow lava up on Mount Arrat.
1:10:09
SPEAKER_00: This mountain is built up on flood deposits, thousands of feet below it are submarine um sedimentary deposits left by water.
1:10:19
SPEAKER_00: So all of this was laid down, and then later, Mount Arat was formed.
1:10:24
SPEAKER_00: Still much later, some people started saying that you know Noah's Ark was up there.
1:10:28
SPEAKER_00: But during the flood, there was no mountain right there.
1:10:30
SPEAKER_00: That's all after the flood.
1:10:32
SPEAKER_00: And so that's why I'm pretty sure that we have the best candidate.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_00: Like the professor said, this is the number one site.
1:10:39
SPEAKER_00: You know, until somebody shows me another Noah's Ark site that we can study and compare the data, uh, this is the site we're working at, and this is why I believe it's you know the the very likely the remains of Noah's Ark under the earth right there.
1:10:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:10:54
SPEAKER_02: And uh another question here, as a believer in the Great Flood, how did animals like the kangaroo get to Australia after the Ark?
1:11:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, I I see comments like that on Facebook, but not from believers.
1:11:06
SPEAKER_00: I've seen people kind of making fun of the story and say, well, how did the the kangaroos get to the ark or how did they go to Australia from the Ark?
1:11:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, over time, over you know, thousands or so years, animals migrate.
1:11:18
SPEAKER_00: It's not impossible.
1:11:20
SPEAKER_00: And we really do believe that uh the water level after the flood was much lower.
1:11:25
SPEAKER_00: And they say the Mediterranean basin was even dry, uh, and you had the Black Sea uh much lower because you're finding the ancient uh coastline in the Black Sea with villages on the ancient seashore, hundreds of feet below the surface.
1:11:40
SPEAKER_00: I think not hundreds, but it's you know, much below what today the water is way up here.
1:11:44
SPEAKER_00: And so when you think of the time when the water levels were much lower after the flood time, you have land masses connected easily.
1:11:53
SPEAKER_00: The Americas, North America with Siberia, Australia, Indonesia, that whole land route.
1:11:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh very possible that it was all connected.
1:12:02
SPEAKER_00: So animals could migrate over there.
1:12:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh it's not impossible.
1:12:06
SPEAKER_00: That's a good question, because when the flood happened, it mentions that the fountains of the deep blew up like geysers, you could say, maybe, and then it talks about the water canopy above coming down, uh, and then the water is rising.
1:12:20
SPEAKER_00: So it was 40 days of rain plus that type of reaction, it's just destroying the earth mass, everything that was um above water became below water.
1:12:28
SPEAKER_00: Now, what happened afterwards?
1:12:30
SPEAKER_00: The Bible doesn't give us all the mechanics of it, but it does mention something that for sure, right before Noah came off the ark, it says God had a uh a wind that dried up the earth.
1:12:43
SPEAKER_00: Uh so whatever this massive wind was that dried the land masses, uh the water, it could possibly come back into these submarine cavities, uh the aquifers underground.
1:12:54
SPEAKER_00: Other than that, I'm not sure.
1:12:55
SPEAKER_00: But definitely I believe that the flood happened.
1:12:58
SPEAKER_00: So the water had to go somewhere else after that.
1:13:01
SPEAKER_00: But according to the biblical time frame, a lot of things happen much faster than what evolutionary geology has.
1:13:08
SPEAKER_00: And um, but with regard to the water, uh, you know, it went into the oceans under the into the aquifers, God dried up the land masses uh with some type of giant wind.
1:13:18
SPEAKER_00: Nothing is impossible to God.
1:13:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, if he can split the sea at the Red Sea crossing for the Israelites to cross, he could dry up the flood he created.
1:13:26
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:13:27
SPEAKER_02: And what about marine animals?
1:13:29
SPEAKER_02: Could they have been affected by the flood?
1:13:31
SPEAKER_00: Well, the Bible doesn't say they were on the ark, so obviously they were at home.
1:13:34
SPEAKER_00: You know, we had a giant flood, they just had more water to swim around in.
1:13:38
SPEAKER_00: Uh, of course, you can imagine it with the turbulence and you know that there were animals, fish in the and on the other top sea creatures that were destroyed, uh, just because you have this huge you know mix uh of uh mud and dirt and rocks and water.
1:13:52
SPEAKER_00: So they were definitely a lot of fish that were killed because of this massive destruction happening.
1:13:58
SPEAKER_00: But also if they're fish that live in the water, so they could uh survive it too for those that were not killed.
1:14:03
SPEAKER_02: Andrew, what can you say about dinosaurs?
1:14:06
SPEAKER_02: Uh if do you believe they really existed?
1:14:09
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, well, we have muscles.
1:14:11
SPEAKER_00: Um there's different views.
1:14:13
SPEAKER_00: Some say that the dinosaurs were uh like Nephilim or like uh DNA created animals by people doing uh things against God's original plan.
1:14:24
SPEAKER_00: Like, did God create the dinosaurs?
1:14:26
SPEAKER_00: Others believe the dinosaurs are just giant lizards.
1:14:29
SPEAKER_00: So we so it could be a mix of both.
1:14:31
SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, some of the dinosaurs or even giant insects we see in the fossil record.
1:14:36
SPEAKER_00: I'm always interested in this topic, so I see news stories popping up saying, oh, a giant firefly or this or that was found, and it's just a bigger version of what we have today.
1:14:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh so some of the dinosaurs you can say were that, but there's a specific net of these reptiles.
1:14:49
SPEAKER_00: Uh and we're still learning things about them, like what type of was it scaly skin or feathery skin?
1:14:55
SPEAKER_00: And now they're finding soft tissue inside these uh fossilized bones.
1:14:59
SPEAKER_00: They break them open and they're finding this type of soft tissue.
1:15:03
SPEAKER_00: So then the question is, well, how can they have lasted millions of years?
1:15:06
SPEAKER_00: As a Christian, we're like, it wasn't millions of years ago, and so it's very possible uh that these animals lived a lot a lot in more recent times, you know, being you know, right during the time of the flood.
1:15:17
SPEAKER_00: Uh, did uh God create them?
1:15:20
SPEAKER_00: Um I think some were created animals, they're just big, bigger life forms.
1:15:24
SPEAKER_00: Others did people doing some crazy DNA uh thing and you know, mixing genes, whatever, um, like some people try to do today.
1:15:33
SPEAKER_00: That's very possible.
1:15:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I wasn't there.
1:15:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but we do have the fossil records, so we can't say they did not exist.
1:15:39
SPEAKER_00: We are seeing these giant bones in the in the rocks and the fossils.
1:15:43
SPEAKER_00: So I would not go as far as saying there's no dinosaurs.
1:15:46
SPEAKER_00: In fact, they even have what they call living uh fossils.
1:15:51
SPEAKER_00: These are animals we find today, especially remember the the water, we're talking about how did the fish survive?
1:15:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, they're finding what they call living fossils, especially in the water, where these are fish that you see in the fossil record.
1:16:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh some of them got preserved as fossils, they got killed.
1:16:05
SPEAKER_00: And then you find them alive today, and they're the same animal.
1:16:07
SPEAKER_00: They haven't evolved, they haven't changed, but they thought they went extinct, and they have not.
1:16:12
SPEAKER_00: Uh, so that's a good example of it's not a dinosaur, but it's a fossil fish that is still alive today, and they're finding them in some parts of the ocean or uh parts of the world that they were not disturbed by people.
1:16:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, wow.
1:16:28
SPEAKER_02: So thank you so much, brother Andrew Jones, Arkabaya, and so for this wonderful time with you.
1:16:35
SPEAKER_02: And I'm blown away in everything that uh you shared and uh we discussed.
1:16:40
SPEAKER_02: And uh any parting words to our uh Filipino viewers, brother?
1:16:44
SPEAKER_00: Yes, uh I wish I could say something to Galli.
1:16:47
SPEAKER_00: I I feel like I'm a very bad Filipino.
1:16:52
SPEAKER_00: Didn't learn and keep what I did learn from my time there.
1:16:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh I missed that area of the world.
1:16:58
SPEAKER_00: But I just keep looking at the news.
1:17:00
SPEAKER_00: We we we'll have more coming out end of the year, especially in early early next year.
1:17:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I really believe that we're living, you know, if you just take, you know, this is archaeology and you know, you guys say it's dry science.
1:17:10
SPEAKER_00: You're talking about uh organic matter, phosphorus, and uh GPR results.
1:17:15
SPEAKER_00: But if you look at the story of Noah and the flood, it's it's not just a story about that.
1:17:20
SPEAKER_00: It's it's a story of salvation and judgment.
1:17:22
SPEAKER_00: And God provided a way of salvation for those who wanted to hear the the the Noah.
1:17:28
SPEAKER_00: He was preaching 120 years.
1:17:29
SPEAKER_00: He gave this period of grace to the world through Noah.
1:17:34
SPEAKER_00: And sadly, only eight people, Noah's immediate family, ended up on the boat.
1:17:39
SPEAKER_00: But God, as a merciful God, he doesn't want anyone to perish.
1:17:43
SPEAKER_00: And he provided a way, it was this boat, one vessel of salvation had one door.
1:17:49
SPEAKER_00: And today, the same thing is being called by God.
1:17:52
SPEAKER_00: He wants people to repent, to come to Jesus in Jesus' name, become saved, and then to be in the kingdom.
1:18:00
SPEAKER_00: And the the story of Noah is the story that's calling us to repentance, calling us to salvation, uh, and warning us of the coming judgment.
1:18:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh just as Jesus says, as in the days of Noah, so it will be in the coming.
1:18:13
SPEAKER_00: The coming of Jesus, the Son of Man, is soon.
1:18:16
SPEAKER_00: And so I really believe that those who want to hear what's true, the story is calling us to pay attention to the end time events, to be a faithful witness, like Noah did.
1:18:27
SPEAKER_00: And he was a witness in that wicked generation, but he found grace in the eyes of God, and he did exactly what God told him to do.
1:18:34
SPEAKER_00: You know, God gave him the blueprint for Noah's Ark, He told him what to preach, and He faithfully fulfilled that so that he was saved, him and his family.
1:18:43
SPEAKER_00: And so I hope all of us today could uh learn these type of truths from the story of Noah and the Flood, whether this is Noah's Ark or not, we know that uh the Bible is true.
1:18:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and God is calling us to his boat, which is his church, the church of Christ for our salvation.
1:19:02
SPEAKER_02: Andrew, what can we pray for you and for your team?
1:19:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, well, pray for the work.
1:19:07
SPEAKER_00: We know it's just starting very soon.
1:19:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh pray for our fundraising, uh, pray for the teams coming out that they're safe.
1:19:14
SPEAKER_00: Uh pray that we can for results that God wants us to show to the world.
1:19:18
SPEAKER_00: Uh so there's uh you know lots of things can go wrong, but you know, with God leading us, uh we'll we'll do exactly what he wants us to do at the at this time.
1:19:26
SPEAKER_00: Everything will be successful.
1:19:27
SPEAKER_02: So before we end, could you share with our viewers how they can follow your research at Noah's Ark Scans and uh support uh the project?
1:19:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can go to our website, uh Noah's ArcScans.com, and at the bottom of the footer, they have links to different social media.
1:19:43
SPEAKER_00: We're on X, we're on Facebook, uh Instagram as Discovered Media, which is my umbrella group that does other stuff besides Noah's Ark, like uh the Exodus and stuff in uh uh Egypt and Saudi Arabia, Israel.
1:19:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh so we're also on YouTube, but as Discovered Media.
1:20:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you can you look up Nozark Scans.
1:20:02
SPEAKER_00: I think probably our videos will show up too, but if you look up Discovered Media, you'll find our YouTube channel, our Instagram channel, and Facebook pages.
1:20:09
SPEAKER_00: But Nozark Scan also has its own Facebook page, and of course, we have the website and the uh Twitter X account.
1:20:17
SPEAKER_00: And uh we're very uh we keep a lot of the lot of those all up to date.
1:20:21
SPEAKER_00: So if you're uh active on social media, you can easily find us.
1:20:24
SPEAKER_00: If you're not on social media, you just go to our website and you can um see us there.
1:20:30
SPEAKER_02: Wonderful.
1:20:30
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much, Andrew Jones, for this wonderful, inspiring interview with you.
1:20:35
SPEAKER_02: And uh, we're looking forward on this coming October, what will be the updates and what will be more findings that will uh shock us, and more skeptics will believe that this is the true Nawa's Ark.
1:20:49
SPEAKER_02: And I'm curious, uh brother, what is the surname of your mother?
1:20:53
SPEAKER_02: Because you're Jones.
1:20:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's my father's, yeah.
1:20:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh Milar.
1:20:57
SPEAKER_00: M-I-L-L-A-R Millar.
1:21:00
SPEAKER_02: Milar.
1:21:01
SPEAKER_02: Milar.
1:21:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just like me.
1:21:03
SPEAKER_02: I'm Milag, and you're Milar.
1:21:07
SPEAKER_00: Very simple.
1:21:08
SPEAKER_00: Maybe we're cousins by one letter off.
1:21:11
SPEAKER_00: Well, we know we're all related.
1:21:12
SPEAKER_00: We're all related to Noah.
1:21:14
SPEAKER_00: So we yeah, you're a long uh long-lost cousin.
1:21:17
SPEAKER_02: Amen.
1:21:18
SPEAKER_02: So wonderful, and thank you so much.
1:21:21
SPEAKER_02: I have a good time uh chatting with you, and I'm so amazed that you're also a Filipino, and we will we'll continue to pray for you in this important mission that God will pour out more graces and strength and wisdom on you and your team.
1:21:36
SPEAKER_02: Uh, God bless you always, brother.
1:21:39
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
1:21:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and hope to see you uh in the Philippines to share with us.
1:21:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh if I do come over there, I will let you know for sure.
1:21:47
SPEAKER_00: It'll be great to see you.
1:21:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
1:21:50
SPEAKER_02: Yes, me too.
1:21:52
SPEAKER_02: And could you uh I don't want to take so much of your time.
1:21:55
SPEAKER_02: Could you close us with a prayer, uh, brother Andrew?
1:21:58
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, sure.
1:21:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh dear Heavenly Father, thank you for this hour and a half that we could just dive into this biblical story that means so much.
1:22:06
SPEAKER_00: This story that has the end time implications, and also a story uh about what happened to the ancient world when they did not believe, when they were wicked, and then follow you.
1:22:16
SPEAKER_00: We ask that we can learn these lessons today, and uh just be with uh all the viewers who are searching and looking at this type of evidence, be with our team here as we're trying to do this expedition this summer.
1:22:29
SPEAKER_00: In Jesus' name I pray.
1:22:30
SPEAKER_00: Amen.
1:22:31
SPEAKER_02: Amen.
1:22:31
SPEAKER_02: In the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
1:22:34
SPEAKER_02: Amen.
1:22:35
SPEAKER_02: So thank you so much, Baraming Salamat, uh, Andrew.
1:22:38
SPEAKER_02: And so before we let I let you go, uh people are interested to go on the site.
1:22:42
SPEAKER_02: Will there will is there any registration?
1:22:45
SPEAKER_02: What will be the process?
1:22:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:22:47
SPEAKER_00: So go to our website, noahsarcscans.com, and there is on the menu.
1:22:53
SPEAKER_00: If you're on your phone, it's the hamburger menu, and you touch that, it will open up all the options.
1:22:58
SPEAKER_00: Uh on your desktop, you'll see all the options across the top.
1:23:01
SPEAKER_00: You go to the tour uh menu items, it'll show up.
1:23:03
SPEAKER_00: And we have uh very cheap for Americans, but I think they're reasonable.
1:23:07
SPEAKER_00: We have three, five, and uh 12-day tours.
1:23:10
SPEAKER_00: Uh, most people go on the five-day tour, but the three-day ones, usually for those who are already in the area and they want to add on something, because that one you have to buy all your flights, your domestic flight, and we just meet you at the airport here.
1:23:21
SPEAKER_00: We have a five-day tour where that includes your domestic flight, and you just have to fly in to Istanbul, and we'll pick you up at the airport, and then you everything's included, all your meals, your hotels, everything.
1:23:32
SPEAKER_00: We take you out here, and then we have a 12-day tour that is seven days longer than the five.
1:23:37
SPEAKER_00: And now when we go through like what's the book of Genesis, so we start with Noah's Ark, and we go through Southeast Turkey, and we end up in uh Haran, where Jacob's well is, and where of his 12 sons were born in the ancient Turkey area, but uh the ancient area of Haran is where eleven of the 12 tribes, the founding tribes, no, the sons of Jacob, were born.
1:23:59
SPEAKER_00: Only Benjamin was born in the promised land in um near Bethlehem.
1:24:04
SPEAKER_00: So uh, if you come on our 12-day tour, we see a lot of history of the ancient areas of Turkey, uh, all the way to Gobekle Tepe, the ancient Neolithic temple site, to Huron.
1:24:17
SPEAKER_00: Uh, we see the uh Tigris and Euphrates rivers.
1:24:20
SPEAKER_00: So you see these biblical rivers mentioned uh in Genesis and all the way to Revelation.
1:24:25
SPEAKER_00: Uh that's the 12-day tour.
1:24:27
SPEAKER_00: And then we have extensions, like you went on.
1:24:29
SPEAKER_00: We do have an extension for like the seven churches of Revelation, uh, with Patmos and the island in Greece, where John wrote uh the book of Revelation.
1:24:38
SPEAKER_00: And then we also have an extension for Cappadocia, where you can see the underground churches and cities uh in that area of Turkey.
1:24:45
SPEAKER_00: So there's different optional add-ons, but our main Noah's Ark tour is the three, five, and uh 12-day.
1:24:51
SPEAKER_00: And then we also, for those who can't afford any of that, but they want to do on their own, we can show you how to get out here.
1:24:56
SPEAKER_00: If I'm in the area and not and I can show you money, you can come out here and say, Hey Andrew, I'm gonna be there on this date.
1:25:03
SPEAKER_00: I'll say, Come to the arc site if I'm here, and I'll give you a free lecture and explain the evidence and show you what's going on down there.
1:25:10
SPEAKER_00: And if we have permission, we take you down onto the site.
1:25:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh so uh you don't have to go through our tours.
1:25:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh but if I'm not in the area, I have local friends who can help you too.
1:25:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, from taxi drivers to uh guides uh or just tell you how to get up here uh if you have your own rental car.
1:25:26
SPEAKER_02: So absolutely.
1:25:28
SPEAKER_02: So I'll just put all this information in the description and somewhere here.
1:25:33
SPEAKER_00: That has yeah, the website has our tours.
1:25:36
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, thank you so much, uh brother Andrew, and uh let's keep in touch and uh we will thank you, and God bless you always.
1:25:47
SPEAKER_02: God bless your work.
1:25:49
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me.
1:25:50
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me.
1:25:51
SPEAKER_03: Bye-bye.
1:25:52
SPEAKER_03: For sure, for sure.
1:25:53
SPEAKER_03: Bye-bye.
1:25:54
SPEAKER_03: God bless.
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