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PODCAST: Episode 930 - Christian Larsen (Necrofier) Talks New Album "Transcend Into Oblivion" and US Black Metal's Rise · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  America like I feel like catches like it sticks on to stuff
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  that's a little less, I guess. I don't know if the serious is
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  the right word, but America loves like party scene and
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  things like that and where stuff can be taken lightly and not
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  like so heavy all the time and not like black metal has to be
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  serious every second of the day. But you know, it demands like a
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  certain it demands a certain thing from people that are into
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  it or like, you know, or the way you follow it.
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  So like you can listen to some bands, but as far as being part
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  like if you really get into it, it's not like the same as like,
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  you know, say, if you're into kind of like what's going on
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  death metal right now, like modern death metal or whatever
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  you want to call it, stuff like a it's all, it's like there's a
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  different thing than like some people getting into that and
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  then actually being into black metal, I think.
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  What's up everybody? It's Kefi of Ghostco mag.com.
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  I'm joined once again by Christian of Necro Fire.
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  How are you doing, man? Good man, how are you?
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  I'm great. I joked with you last time when
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  I met you in person a few years ago, I was like, I never know if
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  I need to use your black metal name or your property name.
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  Is also my middle name, so. Oh word, I didn't know that.
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  That's super cool. We learned something about you
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  today beside talking about this new album.
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  Super stoked to catch up with you.
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  You know a new album, Transcend Into Oblivion, is coming soon
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  from Metal Blade, so maybe that's a good place to start.
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  You have season a miss. Great label, did a great job
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  with the early portion of your career.
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  How did you guys, you know, get aligned with Metal Blade in the
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  1st place before we talk about the new music?
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  Metal Blade had kind of been after us for a little while, or
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  they just were, you know, like we're interested whenever you
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  guys are available and then we end up splitting ways with
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  Season of Mist and then it kind of just it all worked out.
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  Thankfully, nice work. Yeah, metal blade.
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  Still one of the greatest labels.
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  Oh yeah, I mean, it's real. Like I'm like, like we're on
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  metal blade. Like fuck.
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  Right your your label mates with Cannibal Corpse and a Monomarth.
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  It's wild and and a bunch of, I mean, you know, goat horror, so
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  many killer bands. Slayer's original label.
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  Yeah, I know. Yeah.
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  Like Slayer and Merciful Fate are on this label.
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  It's just crazy. I mean, yeah, it probably still
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  is, but you know, it's like, yeah, the history of Metal Blade
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  and just all that stuff in the lore is is, you know, it's nuts.
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  Right on. I hope.
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  I don't know if you have personally had a chance to, but
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  I sincerely hope you and everybody else out there has a
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  chance to go to the sort of metal museum, metal blade museum
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  pop up in Vegas. Not yet, I need to go.
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  So fun. Occasionally Brian does the walk
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  and talk and curation, but it's all, you know, clearly put
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  together by Brian and Michael and everybody over there, like
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  with a lot of love. And they have lost some stuff
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  over the years. There was the big earthquake in
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  89 and some stuff was lost to antiquity.
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  But there's so much. I mean, they have the original
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  metal massacre tape. They have the kill the right the
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  no life to leather demo in a lock box.
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  Yeah, I was like, I was like some of that shit better if you
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  have fucking life like a lock. Box, Yeah.
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  Put Yeah. Paul's original drum kit from,
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  you know, eating back to life is there.
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  Like, it's insane, man. It's so insane.
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  But yeah, man. Killer new album.
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  I'm so proud of you and proud of the band for this record.
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  You know, we've followed you guys for a long time and I feel
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  like I've said this before, I feel like American metal heads
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  have caught up to black metal finally.
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  Like, you know, not in a pandering way, but like in a way
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  where like the American black metal scene now has so many
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  great bands that we are now on par with the rest of the world
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  where they have been for decades.
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  And fans tastes I think have matured too.
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  And there's sort of not in a gatekeeper E way, like what
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  isn't what isn't black metal. But I feel like Necra Fire is
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  one of these bands on the front lines, sort of hold it, you
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  know, waving that flag in the US, which I'm really happy
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  about. Yeah, like there's more of US
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  stuff that's going right now that's good and like people and
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  like, besides good people are getting into.
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  So it's nice to see because I mean, in the past there's always
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  been American black metal bands except the reception.
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  And then, you know, things like that are like they're, they're
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  never around or like looped into the same groups, like at same
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  time kind of thing, you know? So even though the United States
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  is a big spot, the yeah, there's, there's a lot of good
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  stuff going on, right? Now, yeah.
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  And I think it's critical that, you know, like it's not seen as
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  a gimmicky genre anymore. I think that for a long time
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  other metal heads, whatever be a death metal mainstream fans,
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  it's not like, oh, it's a fad or it's a thing to get into.
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  Like it's a culture and A and a style and a legit way of, you
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  know, a legit sub genre, not just kind of like a passing
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  thing for people. I think that's.
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  What some of the stuff like with black metal, I think is why a
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  lot of people in America are always it doesn't catch on as
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  much or like, you know, where it is where it is.
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  It's like not America like I feel like catches like it sticks
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  on to stuff. It's a little less, I guess.
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  I don't know if the serious is the right word, but America
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  loves like party scene and things like that and where stuff
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  can be taken lightly and not like so heavy all the time and
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  not like black metal has to be serious every second of the day.
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  But you know, it demands like a certain it demands a certain
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  thing from people that are into it or like you know, or a way
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  you follow it. So like you can listen to some
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  bands, but as far as being part like if you really get into it,
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  it's not like the same as like, you know, say, if you're into
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  kind of like what's going on in death metal right now, like
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  modern death metal or whatever you want to call it, stuff like
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  a it's, it's like there's a different thing than like some
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  people getting into that and then actually being into black
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  metal. I.
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  Think right on. I don't think there's a Lorna
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  Shore of true black metal, right, Which is which is fine.
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  And I think Lorna Shore is great and I love their last record,
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  but I also think like it's important that there isn't that
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  kind of band right now. Like it's cool that a lot of
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  people people are discovering Luna shore and getting like
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  brain exploded by Will's vocals, but like we've also been like in
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  the scene for a very long time. And like, that's not, you know,
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  it's just he's so, you know, like so present and so same with
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  Singh Singh, Risa Gabag, like in the in the culture of the moment
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  of mainstream fans have discovered that band and that's
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  awesome because I think that helps all or, you know, rising
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  tide, all ships, etcetera. Cliche, but I think it's
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  important that like the highest quality American black metal
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  right now does not have a Lorna Shore.
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  There is no, there's not a one to.
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  One for that I mean, I don't I don't know if it actually would
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  be possible for something because I don't feel like like
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  we were saying like it's not like culturally there where I
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  feel like it would cross in looks like some of that does,
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  but that like, but something like Lorna shore getting big
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  does I feel like expand stuff for more people, especially kids
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  are exposed to more extreme music and it it works out in
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  that way where it trickles down into other things or you know,
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  like things like that. So I mean, I mean, overall,
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  yeah, it's heavier bands becoming popular across the
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  board is usually better for like everything.
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  Right. And I'm not calling anybody out.
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  Of course, we have huge fans of all those bands and I've
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  interviewed those bands and like we had one of the first
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  interviews with Will when he came in that band.
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  So like, no shade. I'm just making the sort of a
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  comparison. Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Who may watch our channel that you know we.
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  Are discussing much black metal stuff so anybody that's into
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  this is probably like fucking Lorna Shore.
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  Like what the fuck? So you don't?
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  I mean, I wouldn't express it. Death metal bra.
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  But yeah, man, fires of the apocalypse.
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  I wanted to talk about the the like so the album construction,
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  right is it seemed, you know, possibly a concept record
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  definitely has like suites of songs and I feel like it opens
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  up so strong, maybe like the strongest opening ever for the
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  band. And I love this fires of the
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  apocalypse, like my path. And actually, I think my
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  favorite riff of the year is the next to last riff in light my
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  path three, that real slow, groovy riff for whatever.
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  It's just so killer and I love the transitions in and out of
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  that section. But in general, like let's talk
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  about the album as a whole. Is it a concept record like you?
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  It's these. So did did you always have this
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  in mind to write these sweets? Did it just come out that way?
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  Let's let's start there. So it started off as I mean,
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  this record was the first thing like really in like the the
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  intent was to go in with a theme of the record and the records
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  like at the records of the Luciferian dark night of the
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  soul is the concept where and it's broken it like originally
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  it was not broken into like movements or anything.
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  And then somewhere along the line it did, which kind of like
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  opened up to a bunch of different things.
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  Like first I was like, hey, we're looking at it.
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  I don't remember exactly how it came up.
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  Like then it was then it became like, oh, OK, well the concept
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  of the record is this so we can move it into like the first part
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  is like awakening and then like like kind of thing and then
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  ascension. So it was like, OK, so then it
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  was like the record of moved into three parts.
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  And then along with that, when we started in the middle, when
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  we were middle recording, we did all the the interlude tracks,
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  which interlude tracks end up being everything kind of like it
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  was like an organic. It was like originally for some
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  intent and then moved into organically where it was like
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  third record that has three movements.
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  It has three. So like that kind of stuff where
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  like stuff happens and it's kind of like you start some stuff
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  with something and then it becomes it's like magic happens
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  and it all kind of flows together like that.
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  But the concept worked really well to flow together like that.
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  And I feel like the the flows are like it's really nice as one
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  piece, like where I feel like the record is it's it's like
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  meant to be listened to as one thing and kind of go together
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  opposed to just being like, Hey, cool.
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  I really like track 4 of this album from X band, you know,
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  kind of thing. Or, you know, are you like a
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  couple tracks? Like, I mean, you can not saying
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  that that can't happen, but at the same time, I feel like this
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  is it has like a continued feel throughout in a flow where it's
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  like it's a feel like it's almost meant to be done like
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  that. Right on.
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  It definitely works and has a flow.
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  I'm still a person that listens to whole albums.
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  I love a whole album, not a piece, you know?
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  I understand that. Like, you know, music is broken
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  up into parts and commoditize, but I'm in town.
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  I listen. I still listen to whole albums
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  whenever possible. So I love listening to this
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  thing. 3 is the magic number, by the way, of course, in so many
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  ways. And I really appreciate that the
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  lyrics were included with the record because I was able to one
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  listen through. I just kind of read along and I
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  do feel like these are some of your strongest lyrics ever.
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  And, you know, not necessarily, I don't want to alarm anyone.
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  Concept records and lyrics and concept themes.
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  Not too flowery or necessarily poetic, but it's very
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  meaningful. I found a lot of meaning and and
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  phenomenal storytelling that. So like Congrats on that.
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  Great job. And I didn't know if that was
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  something you had in mind. There was just just a natural
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  progression of your journey. A little bit of both in that
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  it's like I was trying to step up stuff where it more was like
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  there was personal stuff into it with like kind of like the
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  spiritual stuff I usually kind of like or usually sing about
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  and things like that. And more directly because I I
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  usually on some other like previous albums and stuff like
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  that. A lot of things I try to sing
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  about, like I try to relate some kind of experience or if it's
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  like, say about something, like I try to like at least
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  experience something around it or see something has to do, you
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  know, like, kind of dive into like the subject matter as as
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  much as I can, depending on what it is.
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  But this one was the first one where it was like, here's the
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  concept. It's personal, but it's also
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  spiritual. And this thing is it goes along
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  with all the things I've done before.
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  So like, yeah, I mean, it was like a natural thing, but also
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  was it like it was intended to do that as well?
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  Right on in terms of the writing and I I imagine that this the
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  record label switch was also going on while you were, you
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  know, culling tracks to put together on this, you know, did
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  it kind of, you know, it's musically, you know, did you
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  have some of these, you know, linchpin type tracks and then
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  built around them? How did you, you know, do you
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  save up like all guitar players? Do you just save up riffs and
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  song parts and song? It depends on like, uh, usually
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  because I'll like, I'll, I'll like save riffs and then some.
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  Like usually for me, it's a point where it's like song time.
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  So then I'll just start messing with the song and demoing stuff
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  until like I, you know, like I'll do something put together
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  and then I, I bounce it and send it to myself and jam it.
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  And then I listen to it. I'm like Ant or I'm like, oh,
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  this is good. OK, which change this.
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  So I mean, like, basically I've just been working on stuff for a
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  while and it hit the point with like me and everyone else, we
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  have enough songs where I was like, OK, cool, let's look
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  through all these things and it's like, all right, here we
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  go. Right on.
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  Do you do? Do you do the car test for the
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  demos? Yeah, always.
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  Because another thing with demos is it's like if I demo it and I
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  want to hear it again, then I feel like it's we're going the
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  right direction, you know? Right.
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  If it makes you cringe, it's out.
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  Yeah, if I'm just like this, Oh yeah.
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  If it cringe, it's like this. What the fuck is this?
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  Or if it's like all that's cool. But yeah, that's to be like, all
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  right, that's not fucking talking about.
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  Then it's like, all right, cool. This is just move into like the
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  folder of like. All right, we're gonna mess with
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  this. Right on.
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  There's a lot of sort of that meme with the like the Chris
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  Pratt in Parks and Rec. Like, oh, there's a lot of those
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  parts on the guitars. There's a great guitar album and
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  like, I'm so pumped for this. You know it's going to be it's
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  already shaping up to be a killer year of extreme music.
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  This is already like one of my favorite records, but there's so
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  much good guitar shit on here just all across the board that I
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  I'm just like the the guitar nerd to me.
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  It's just like, so happy. Yeah, finally there was like
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  some extra stuff in wanting to do and also tones, especially
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  for like tremolo parts and stuff that we hadn't done before that
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  I was more like, OK, but I really, we got on this one, you
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  know, because like I was, I always wanted like with black
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  metal to like be, of course it needs to be like dirty and like
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  like decent amount of reverb to affect where it needs to go.
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  But also there's like a couple other things I used where it
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  kind of gives it like almost like a psychedelic feel to it.
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  Like like slightly where it's not, I mean, not like where it's
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  like you ate like 15 mushrooms. And here's how the guitar track
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  sounds. But it's like you know enough
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  where you're like, it's like where you're kind of like, OK,
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  all right. It's it gives it like a weird
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  hypnotic to movement in it where it's like you sometimes maybe
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  know it's there, sometimes you don't.
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  But like it gives it like life. Right on.
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  It gave me some early Wolves in the Throne Room vibes, which I'm
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  always a huge fan of and their guitar stuff.
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  And, and I I feel like your band hasn't overdone these wide
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  reaching experimental type guitar parts or even just
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  straight up overdone the tremolo picking.
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  Like a very, a very trophy, you know, mode of black metal.
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  I don't think you've overdone it.
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  So if you did it extra on this record, I think it's going to be
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  noticeable and appreciated. Except I feel like we want more.
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  I got some of that stuff would go more heavy metal or we'd like
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  lean into, we'd lean into different aspects of black metal
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  in the previous records. And then on this one we leaned
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  more into like just especially with the aggression and the
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  drums and things like where the parts are.
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  I feel like it really, it's really it's a lot more
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  aggressive and a lot more raw. Right on.
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  Let's talk about this artwork for a second.
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  Because if you've got an album that's got a concept, you need
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  the artwork to sell it and to look cool on the layouts and
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  shirts and things. I didn't know if you had a
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  specific vision for this artwork First off before.
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  Not Jose did the art and Jose does.
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  He's done a couple different bands, but he's also like he
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  does tons and tons of just like a cult literature, like non like
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  so many different books and things.
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  And I've always loved his art. So it was a real honor to have
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  him do it. And I didn't give him any
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  direction besides I was like, here is the concept of the
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  record and what's it about? And like, I feel like it turned
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  out. Perfect.
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  I mean like. He's one of like, there's few
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  like, you know, like there's a lot of good artists out there.
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  But I feel like if especially with him, like I knew whatever
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  he did would be the best. So I like and I knew exactly if
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  I gave him a concept that was in this world that he would know
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  where to go with it, like without question.
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  I love that so much. It's tough.
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  It's tough out there to, you know, I don't know if you have a
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  take on this. I'm, I don't want to say I'm
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  fully anti AI because that makes me sound like a boomer, but I'm
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  definitely anti AI use for music.
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  Obviously. Look, machine learning and AI
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  has been part of our culture and stuff.
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  I mean, like as far as AI, I think has its will have its like
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  points and things like I would say more like medical and things
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  like or whatever. Like is probably where it like
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  the best part like would be used like in regular life in music.
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  I feel like there's I guess I mean like bands that are AI is
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  just kind of laughable art. That's AI is laughable as well.
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  Some of the video stuff is here or there.
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  It's still like has a look to it where it like it doesn't like it
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  still doesn't look right. And it's you know, I mean, but I
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  feel like it the most part, it lacks like a human feel, which
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  you can really tell or especially feel.
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  Maybe not in the pop world, because I feel like a lot of
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  those things are already tuned enough and done almost in an AI
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  fashion, like the way they're produced that like the this
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  distinguishing is different. I mean, it's just like I feel
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  like it kind of just defeats the whole purpose of it other than
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  people that just want to like release music.
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  It's like or they want to release music because it's going
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  to make them popular or whatever.
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  Like like, I mean, art music is all found and not like it's
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  like, you know, like if you're doing it for other people and
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  this and that, it's not really worth your time or anybody
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  else's time anyway. So AI stuff just kind of in that
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  range is just strange. And I understand like why people
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  like old dudes are like this fucking album cover cost me 50
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  bucks, but you know, like it's also like it looks like a $50
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  album cover and you're a fucking legendary band.
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  That's not like. Don't do it, you get what you
• 16:54
  pay for. And also I just think the over
• 16:56
  reliance and over hype of AI is antithetical to especially heavy
• 17:02
  music. It's not who we are, it's not
• 17:04
  what we do. And if you need to rush a thing
• 17:07
  out or cut a corner, rethink what you're doing.
• 17:10
  Everybody not from the new bands to the legends, just think, you
• 17:15
  know, move carefully. And when you over rely on AI,
• 17:18
  especially for art, you're taking a job away from someone.
• 17:21
  And I don't like that at. All because there's, I mean, on
• 17:24
  some of that, I feel like it's just, there's certain stuff
• 17:26
  like, you know, like when like I'm a big fan of like weird 90s
• 17:29
  digital art currently, like gateways and stuff, kind of
• 17:32
  stuff. And I'm all like, I mean, well,
• 17:34
  I'm sure those people think like a lot of people think,
• 17:36
  especially guys that used to do that think that's probably so
• 17:39
  atrocious or it's whatever. But so like, you know, like I
• 17:41
  feel like some of the things like you can do some digital
• 17:43
  things that are that look cool or like very stylistic of a time
• 17:47
  and things like that. But like, I feel like when you
• 17:49
  use AI just loses even stuff like that where it's like
• 17:52
  because AI doesn't look, I feel like cheesy.
• 17:54
  It just doesn't look right. You know, it's, it's yeah, it
• 17:58
  just, I mean, basically I think it just, it boils down to its
• 18:01
  losing human touch. I don't even know how to
• 18:02
  describe it, you know? No, that's right.
• 18:04
  And now I also think we're seeing a trend where even the
• 18:07
  artwork done by humans is starting to kind of like mirror
• 18:11
  AI in a weird lawnmower man type of way that I don't love
• 18:15
  because. There's people like, I mean, AI
• 18:17
  stuff is going to be like more prevalent like as whatever goes,
• 18:21
  obviously, but and I'll sneak into like people watching fake
• 18:23
  videos of like stuff that doesn't exist to make the world
• 18:26
  more insane and believing the real, except we won't be able to
• 18:30
  tell. But this stuff, I mean, but
• 18:32
  people, there's so much of the AI stuff out there because it's
• 18:34
  easy just to do. Like people can just crank some
• 18:36
  stuff out and then people think that's the way it is.
• 18:38
  It's like the way people look on Instagram with filters, and then
• 18:41
  people are trying to start looking like that because that's
• 18:43
  how they think they're supposed to look, you know, like
• 18:45
  culturally or like, you know, or stuff like that.
• 18:47
  Right on. Sorry to Boomer sidetrack there.
• 18:50
  So the album comes out February 27th.
• 18:53
  What's going? You got a lot of touring, Heroes
• 18:57
  Festival, of course. What's going on?
• 19:00
  We're doing like a we're doing a big show after the record comes
• 19:02
  out with Acid Bath and Obituary and High On Fire here working on
• 19:06
  some tours for America. Nothing is like is finished yet
• 19:10
  to like talk about or whatever. We're going to Europe in October
• 19:13
  or September, which still can't talk about either, but that's
• 19:15
  still happening. And then we're playing like
• 19:16
  Maryland Death Fest and we're playing San Luis Metal Festival
• 19:19
  in Mexico, which would be fucking insane.
• 19:21
  So but those are like the three shows we have.
• 19:23
  They're actually announced, I guess would be the right word
• 19:26
  for it. Amazing and another amazing
• 19:28
  Hell's Heroes lineup coming up. Very proud of you.
• 19:31
  With that we've we've been following that for a long time.
• 19:35
  Who you especially excited to see and play with this year?
• 19:38
  The blood fire death should be. I mean I saw it before and it
• 19:40
  was amazing so I'm really stoked to see that again.
• 19:42
  That enslave sets can be amazing loudness.
• 19:46
  Excited to see one and 9. Is that actually seen them play
• 19:48
  before? That new record down is really
• 19:50
  good. There's what else is on there at
• 19:52
  Sanctuary set should be rad because they're playing like the
• 19:54
  old set on here I think. I mean it's gonna be good fast.
• 19:57
  I'm excited. Right on Sanctuary.
• 19:59
  I think they've been quiet until this year for a couple of years,
• 20:01
  so yeah. They, they went like they were,
• 20:03
  they canceled a bunch of stuff a couple years ago and then now
• 20:06
  they're they see me back like they're playing some stuff in
• 20:08
  Europe, they're playing like hell zeros and a couple things
• 20:10
  in the state so. Fantastic, uh, Christian man,
• 20:12
  always a pleasure to chop it up with you.
• 20:14
  Congratulations on the Transcend into Oblivion coming out on
• 20:18
  Metal Blade Records February 27th.
• 20:20
  Always a pleasure my dude. I'll catch up with you on tour
• 20:23
  or somewhere else in the world. Soon, I'll do you soon for sure.
• 20:25
  Thanks brother.