Latest / The Calcio Guys / Italy get the necessary wins in World Cup Qualifying - Ep. 282
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- 0:06Speaker 1: If Italy got a job review, they would get satisfy,
- 0:09Speaker 1: satisfactory or just got the job done, and at least.
- 0:14Speaker 2: For such me and so I get my satisfactory as
- 0:19Speaker 2: Nicholas will like to say.
- 0:23Speaker 3: Uh, that's that's how you can describe it.
- 0:24Speaker 1: These passive matches are worth Cup qualifying six points, so six.
- 0:27Speaker 1: You know, we're happy with the wins, but they didn't
- 0:29Speaker 1: score enough. Guys here on the couch of guys, Johnny Drano,
- 0:32Speaker 1: how you guys.
- 0:33Speaker 4: Doing I'm doing good, doing good.
- 0:36Speaker 5: I mean six from six is good, but like you said,
- 0:39Speaker 5: and probably we're going to dive into it's not enough.
- 0:42Speaker 4: So but the satisfied, I guess is the way to say.
- 0:46Speaker 2: Undefeated under Gattuso is always a great feeling. Let's hope
- 0:49Speaker 2: that he keeps on instilling some confidence in this team
- 0:53Speaker 2: and he gets them back to like being a dominant
- 0:55Speaker 2: force in Europe, you know, not just well actually you
- 0:58Speaker 2: know dominant forcing feed but not even just a.
- 1:00Speaker 3: Year of just dominant force of people. But anyways, still
- 1:04Speaker 3: a long way to go for that.
- 1:06Speaker 1: It seems like it's the inevitable at this point with
- 1:09Speaker 1: Italy and playoffs, and it seems like that's the path
- 1:12Speaker 1: they're going on heading into Saturday's game, we knew they
- 1:15Speaker 1: needed to get a lot of goals versus Estonia. This
- 1:17Speaker 1: was they played after Norway one five nothing I believe
- 1:21Speaker 1: against It was Moldova and we knew heading in Italy
- 1:25Speaker 1: needed to score a lot to make up the gold
- 1:27Speaker 1: inferential And it started off well, was it the fourth
- 1:31Speaker 1: minute they had already scored, but then it kind of
- 1:34Speaker 1: it kind of died down, and you know, we were
- 1:36Speaker 1: watching it together guys at Pinino Patso with Bellebrini and
- 1:39Speaker 1: it was a b Saturday, you know, nice little watch
- 1:44Speaker 1: party there with the Bellobrini special amazing sandwiches by the way,
- 1:48Speaker 1: at the Panino and Pazzo and little Italy.
- 1:50Speaker 3: This is not an act, by the way, this is legit.
- 1:55Speaker 4: It was.
- 1:56Speaker 2: It was delicious.
- 1:56Speaker 3: It was very very good.
- 1:58Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, it was in the fourth minute. Everything seemed
- 2:01Speaker 1: to be going well and then I forget what happened
- 2:05Speaker 1: for us if Ritzigi scored his second goal or if
- 2:08Speaker 1: there was miss Penn first, that it was miss Penn first.
- 2:12Speaker 1: And Jenny, I know you weren't there in the first half,
- 2:14Speaker 1: but when.
- 2:15Speaker 3: We got the pen right away, I said, like I.
- 2:17Speaker 1: Forget who said if it was Bellebrini or Biadro said
- 2:20Speaker 1: it all.
- 2:22Speaker 3: You know, now we're getting geting another goal.
- 2:23Speaker 4: This and that.
- 2:23Speaker 1: I was like, wait, we need to score first, and
- 2:26Speaker 1: we saw a pretty weak penalty for Matigi, pretty disappointing.
- 2:29Speaker 1: It did make it up with a harder goal to
- 2:33Speaker 1: score in the thirty eighth minute, as I suppose, I
- 2:36Speaker 1: spose you scored seventy fourth first goal for him with
- 2:40Speaker 1: the national team, and then terrible mistake from Dona ruma
- 2:44Speaker 1: seventy six minute right after to cut down the goal
- 2:47Speaker 1: differential back to plus three. So Italy didn't get to
- 2:50Speaker 1: ten nothing when they were probably hoping for, hey, three
- 2:53Speaker 1: points to three points.
- 2:54Speaker 3: That was the first job that they needed to do.
- 2:56Speaker 1: But I think afterwards maybe I felt a bit say disappointed,
- 3:00Speaker 1: but it's like, okay, well on to the next one.
- 3:05Speaker 1: You know, it's not like you could criticize him that much,
- 3:10Speaker 1: but again you want in the more goals. They definitely
- 3:13Speaker 1: missed a few chances. Binzola missed a chance, the miss penalty,
- 3:17Speaker 1: so right there, two goals they could have made up.
- 3:20Speaker 1: Even with this mistake. That's an extra plus three that
- 3:23Speaker 1: they could have had, so it's it's like maybe a
- 3:26Speaker 1: moments like that that kind of left the sour teaths
- 3:29Speaker 1: in the taste in the mouth. I don't know if
- 3:30Speaker 1: you guys felt the same watching the game on Saturday,
- 3:32Speaker 1: but there was.
- 3:34Speaker 3: A there was a bit to be desired.
- 3:38Speaker 2: Well, I feel like it was the one thing that
- 3:41Speaker 2: stuck out to me and the most was that the
- 3:45Speaker 2: Don room a mistake was it's a little bit uncharacteristical
- 3:48Speaker 2: of him, you know what I mean, Like in my head,
- 3:51Speaker 2: it's a bit worrisome too, because it's a couple of
- 3:53Speaker 2: games now where he just has like a slip up
- 3:55Speaker 2: or like a like what is he doing type of thing.
- 3:57Speaker 3: You know.
- 3:58Speaker 2: It's I just hope that it's not a habit that's
- 4:01Speaker 2: that's developing in him. You know, we need him to
- 4:03Speaker 2: be our best player. Don Aruma, out of all these players,
- 4:07Speaker 2: is the most important player on this squad, and if
- 4:11Speaker 2: he's the one who's playing poorly, then it's gonna fallow
- 4:14Speaker 2: suit with the rest of the team. Now, we're starting
- 4:17Speaker 2: to find our legs a bit, you know, like we're
- 4:18Speaker 2: starting to you know, find like something that clicks. We
- 4:23Speaker 2: have an we have an idea of like Okay, so
- 4:25Speaker 2: for example, like Tegie and Keen are most likely gonna
- 4:28Speaker 2: be the one two punch going in the future, you know,
- 4:29Speaker 2: like like we know what our midfield is probably gonna be.
- 4:32Speaker 2: Come come World Cup if you qualify and whatnot. But
- 4:36Speaker 2: donal Aruma is absolutely the key piece because we still
- 4:40Speaker 2: lack behind a lot of the top teams in the
- 4:43Speaker 2: world in terms of talent organic talent, Like we're talented, yes,
- 4:47Speaker 2: but like I mean more of a sense where it's
- 4:48Speaker 2: like like these guys like you can put them on
- 4:50Speaker 2: and you know that a goal is gonna come, you know,
- 4:52Speaker 2: So the best way we're gonna win is by preventing them.
- 4:55Speaker 2: And who's the best player to prevent them donal Uma.
- 4:57Speaker 2: So we need Donalaruma to be our best player. And
- 5:00Speaker 2: these past few games, I've seen him do these like
- 5:03Speaker 2: little errors, like they're not the worst things, but against
- 5:06Speaker 2: a stronger team we could get easily punished for it.
- 5:08Speaker 2: So I personally take away the one thing I take
- 5:12Speaker 2: away from these games is that I just hope it's
- 5:14Speaker 2: just something like that's just temporary for him, that it
- 5:19Speaker 2: doesn't lead to anything further, and that come like the
- 5:23Speaker 2: playoff game that we're gonna eventually play that he doesn't
- 5:26Speaker 2: make those type of mistakes.
- 5:29Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, listen, I think first off, again I
- 5:32Speaker 5: want to shout out Biad, Joe and and Bell BRINGI
- 5:35Speaker 5: a great event, a small little event, but it was.
- 5:37Speaker 4: It was really cool to participate in.
- 5:39Speaker 5: And and you know, I'll get together at Panino Pazzo,
- 5:42Speaker 5: So again another shout out to them. It was great,
- 5:45Speaker 5: It was a great time. It was a great afternoon,
- 5:47Speaker 5: despite the sour taste in our mouth. And I guess
- 5:50Speaker 5: it's always better to suffering numbers than by yourself. But
- 5:55Speaker 5: you know, I would argue that, you know, besides don
- 5:59Speaker 5: a room, I think Tonal he is probably our our
- 6:02Speaker 5: best player. Uh focal point. I've said it. We have
- 6:07Speaker 5: to say it on the show a lot. You know,
- 6:08Speaker 5: the you know, games are won and lost in the midfield,
- 6:10Speaker 5: and I think if that's rolling, you can you can
- 6:15Speaker 5: get by. I think the the mistakes, the few mistakes
- 6:18Speaker 5: that Donanoma does make, I think he makes up with
- 6:21Speaker 5: it with the time we saves that he's so known
- 6:25Speaker 5: for the penalty stops and all that, So I'm not
- 6:28Speaker 5: too too worried. Again, like you said, Johnny, if he
- 6:31Speaker 5: makes it a habit and maybe there's something to look into.
- 6:34Speaker 5: But he saved us more than he's cost us in
- 6:38Speaker 5: my opinion. Uh, since since taking over between the sticks,
- 6:41Speaker 5: so I would I would put my faith into a
- 6:44Speaker 5: Rouma going forward. But yeah, and then in the first match,
- 6:47Speaker 5: you know, against Estonia, it was it started off well
- 6:51Speaker 5: and we were kind of joking at at Pino pat
- 6:54Speaker 5: so you know, a.
- 6:54Speaker 4: Goal every four minutes.
- 6:56Speaker 5: Johnny wasn't there in the first half, but we were saying, okay,
- 6:58Speaker 5: we're scoring in the fourth minute. Now we got to
- 6:59Speaker 5: score every four minutes to kind of make up try
- 7:01Speaker 5: to make up this this this goal differential that we're
- 7:03Speaker 5: so far behind, because it seems like Norway just can't
- 7:06Speaker 5: stop scoring. It wasn't to be after the fourth minute,
- 7:11Speaker 5: it was. It took a little bit of time. It's
- 7:14Speaker 5: unfortunate with the injury too.
- 7:16Speaker 4: Keen.
- 7:17Speaker 5: I think I would have liked to have seen how
- 7:20Speaker 5: this game would have progressed with him playing at least
- 7:24Speaker 5: a half, if not a good sixty sixty five minutes
- 7:27Speaker 5: maybe more against Estonia, So.
- 7:32Speaker 4: That I think put a bit of a little bit
- 7:34Speaker 4: of a damper on things.
- 7:34Speaker 5: But again, I think one thing with Gattuso he's been
- 7:37Speaker 5: able to adjust. Sometimes I feel like that the starting
- 7:41Speaker 5: lineups again maybe sometimes are a bit suspect, But for
- 7:44Speaker 5: the most part, I think he's been able to adjust.
- 7:48Speaker 5: And if there's one thing with Katuso, at least with
- 7:51Speaker 5: the experience that I saw at at Milan, and I
- 7:55Speaker 5: don't know if you can say the same for when
- 7:56Speaker 5: he was a Knapoa Johnny, but he's really able to
- 7:59Speaker 5: work with the card he's dealt and and make something
- 8:02Speaker 5: out of it.
- 8:03Speaker 4: You know, he has he you know, he.
- 8:06Speaker 5: Has garbage hands, garbage cards in his hands, if you will,
- 8:09Speaker 5: or not the best hand, and he still manages to
- 8:11Speaker 5: get a school but you know, like he he manages
- 8:14Speaker 5: to do something with with the cards that he has.
- 8:17Speaker 5: You know, is it always the best looking?
- 8:21Speaker 4: Maybe not. But if there's one thing that we've seen
- 8:24Speaker 4: in this short.
- 8:24Speaker 5: Gatuso era for the for the auris they're not going
- 8:28Speaker 5: to stop fighting.
- 8:29Speaker 4: They're going to go till the end.
- 8:31Speaker 5: Obviously that that famous greent Toal word is get tossed
- 8:33Speaker 5: around a lot with with Gatuso.
- 8:35Speaker 4: But you see this team fighting.
- 8:38Speaker 5: I think it's just a matter of being able to
- 8:41Speaker 5: to score more. But hey, I think Gatuso has unlocked
- 8:45Speaker 5: something that's been missing with his national team for a while,
- 8:47Speaker 5: and its been able to score goals like we have
- 8:50Speaker 5: not been seeing. We haven't seen the the goal scoring
- 8:54Speaker 5: that we've seen currently under Guatuso in in in years
- 8:58Speaker 5: past with former managers, they were coming in spurts. Yes,
- 9:02Speaker 5: But like you said to open the show, Johnny, perfect
- 9:05Speaker 5: record under Gutuso twelve out of possible twelve points. I mean,
- 9:09Speaker 5: albeit it's against the points that we should be getting
- 9:11Speaker 5: these results from.
- 9:12Speaker 4: But still we've seen Italy slip up before.
- 9:15Speaker 5: And you know, sometimes I look back and think and
- 9:18Speaker 5: I don't know if it was brought up at at
- 9:20Speaker 5: a Panino Patso on Saturday, but I could have sworn
- 9:24Speaker 5: I had heard somebody mention it. But you know, if
- 9:27Speaker 5: we would have started off this this qualifying campaign with Gutuso,
- 9:32Speaker 5: like I wonder what the result would have been. And obviously,
- 9:34Speaker 5: hindsight is twenty twenty and you know we can't go
- 9:37Speaker 5: back and play Monday morning quarterback and say the what ifs.
- 9:39Speaker 5: But you know that that that loss at the beginning
- 9:43Speaker 5: to Norway, if if that's you know, a different result,
- 9:46Speaker 5: even if it's a draw like there's something more to
- 9:48Speaker 5: play for, you know, coming down this stretch. So it's
- 9:52Speaker 5: it's it's one of these things where you know, it's
- 9:54Speaker 5: it's a lot of what ifs.
- 9:55Speaker 4: But listen, I'm confident.
- 9:58Speaker 5: I know obviously the path to automatic qualification is seems
- 10:02Speaker 5: very slim, and that's it seems inevitable, like you said, Nick,
- 10:08Speaker 5: that we're gonna have to go through the playoffs.
- 10:09Speaker 4: And it's a sad world we live.
- 10:11Speaker 5: In that, you know, Italy has to go to playoffs
- 10:13Speaker 5: to being able to get into World Cups. But if
- 10:16Speaker 5: that's if that's the if that's what it's gonna be,
- 10:18Speaker 5: and that's what it's gonna take, then from what we've seen,
- 10:22Speaker 5: the sample side that we've seen, I put my confidence
- 10:24Speaker 5: in Gatuzzo to get the job done. It's no secret
- 10:27Speaker 5: in the room. They're all saying it, you know, they
- 10:30Speaker 5: we will be at the World Cup.
- 10:31Speaker 4: We want to be at the World Cup. Everybody believes it.
- 10:34Speaker 5: We were striving for that after missing the last two.
- 10:38Speaker 4: So I mean, spirits are high.
- 10:39Speaker 5: But in terms of the first match, I, like you said, Nick,
- 10:43Speaker 5: good to get to win, but I think and even
- 10:47Speaker 5: in the match today, we should be smashing these teams, guys.
- 10:50Speaker 4: And we're just eking out wins.
- 10:53Speaker 5: At a at a lesser rate than the team we're
- 10:56Speaker 5: chasing in Norway that is just obliterating every every everybody
- 11:00Speaker 5: in our group. So I don't know what what it
- 11:04Speaker 5: needs to be, but I guess I don't know if
- 11:06Speaker 5: it's luck or what. But I'm hopeful that going forward
- 11:10Speaker 5: in the November window, we have to take care of
- 11:13Speaker 5: our our business, our laundry, our our circumstances.
- 11:17Speaker 4: We can't start really looking further than that.
- 11:20Speaker 5: The big game, like we said, is going to be
- 11:22Speaker 5: on uh mid November against against Norway at San Siro.
- 11:27Speaker 5: That's that's been circled on the calendar since we pretty
- 11:32Speaker 5: much saw what the schedule is going to look.
- 11:33Speaker 4: Like for this qualifying campaign for Italy.
- 11:35Speaker 5: So it's still the case we need a miracle for
- 11:38Speaker 5: Norway to to maybe slip up.
- 11:40Speaker 4: But again we can't really look at that.
- 11:43Speaker 5: And I saw all the percentages who we might face
- 11:45Speaker 5: if in this in the in the playoffs and stuff
- 11:48Speaker 5: like that. Again, we get there when we get there,
- 11:50Speaker 5: We cross that bridge when we cross it, and if
- 11:52Speaker 5: there's one guy I want to cross that bridge with,
- 11:54Speaker 5: it's definitely Generotuzo.
- 11:56Speaker 2: Just a couple of things to like just finish up
- 11:59Speaker 2: with your Yeah, with the point that you made. Uh,
- 12:04Speaker 2: what I want to say is that, like he is
- 12:06Speaker 2: the type of coach to get them on their their track.
- 12:09Speaker 2: And we saw him with both Milan and with Napoli.
- 12:14Speaker 2: Like he's not a long term coach, but he's definitely
- 12:16Speaker 2: gonna make you want to go to work for him,
- 12:17Speaker 2: you know. Sure, that's that's what That's what I appreciate
- 12:19Speaker 2: about Gatuzzo. And also another thing I want to say,
- 12:23Speaker 2: why do we say Monday morning quarterback?
- 12:24Speaker 4: Now?
- 12:24Speaker 2: Like games are played on Monday nights. Now, can we
- 12:26Speaker 2: say Tuesday morning quarterback? What if your team plays Monday night?
- 12:29Speaker 4: Take it up with take it up with Jesse Palmer.
- 12:31Speaker 3: I don't know, take it up for.
- 12:32Speaker 4: Me, but no, you're you're you're right, Uh, Johnny. I
- 12:38Speaker 4: think short term or long term?
- 12:41Speaker 5: I think if given the opportunity, I think Gatuso can
- 12:45Speaker 5: do well, maybe not super long term, but long enough,
- 12:49Speaker 5: longer than he has in the in the past. But
- 12:53Speaker 5: you know, listen, he got put into into the fire.
- 12:55Speaker 5: I know he took the job obviously willingly, but you know,
- 12:58Speaker 5: you get put in to a situation.
- 13:00Speaker 4: Where morale is low.
- 13:02Speaker 5: You had a shocking euro uh in last summer or
- 13:08Speaker 5: whatever was it last summer?
- 13:10Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, uh, you know.
- 13:14Speaker 5: Being the reigning champions, you had a shocking summer in
- 13:19Speaker 5: the euro uh Spalettis, I would say maybe kind of
- 13:23Speaker 5: lost the room, had you know, some on field things,
- 13:26Speaker 5: off field things, you kind of get put into the fire,
- 13:28Speaker 5: even though you willingly took the job. And again, we
- 13:31Speaker 5: couldn't have asked for really any more because if we
- 13:34Speaker 5: were to have started losing games or drawing matches, that
- 13:37Speaker 5: would have been a different story. But he's been a
- 13:40Speaker 5: winner since he walked into the door at COVID channels.
- 13:43Speaker 4: So I know there needs to be more.
- 13:46Speaker 5: I know we should be more like upset and like
- 13:48Speaker 5: saying that, like listen, we need to score more.
- 13:50Speaker 4: But we're coming from a national team that was like
- 13:54Speaker 4: barely scoring. Now we're scoring in somewhat of numbers.
- 13:57Speaker 5: It's just the fact, in my opinion, always just on
- 14:00Speaker 5: another level in terms of scoring goals.
- 14:02Speaker 4: It's unfortunate, but it just seems to be the reality.
- 14:05Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't depend on another nation to mess up
- 14:08Speaker 2: for us to succeed, you know, So that's that's the
- 14:11Speaker 2: only thing that we have to keep in mind. You
- 14:13Speaker 2: know that it's unfortunate that it's come to this, but
- 14:16Speaker 2: like you know, like it's it is what the reality is.
- 14:19Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to start I'm saying that
- 14:21Speaker 2: I think the team is mentally preparing themselves for playoffs.
- 14:24Speaker 2: I don't think they I don't think they should think
- 14:27Speaker 2: that they could still get first in the group because
- 14:30Speaker 2: you said it. You said it right there. The way
- 14:32Speaker 2: Norway has been playing has been unbelievable. They've been playing phenomenally.
- 14:37Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, I think at this point it'll
- 14:41Speaker 1: LEAs best chance of finish finishing first is Norway just
- 14:45Speaker 1: dropping points.
- 14:47Speaker 5: Well they need they need to drop against Estonia, right right, Yeah.
- 14:51Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not.
- 14:53Speaker 1: They're not gonna it, at least not going to catch
- 14:55Speaker 1: up go goal differential. They need to score like ten
- 14:58Speaker 1: to twelve goals versus Moltov and then beat Norway or more.
- 15:03Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.
- 15:05Speaker 1: Yeah, Italy's best hope right now is is Norway getting
- 15:08Speaker 1: in their heads and them losing themselves like or drawing
- 15:11Speaker 1: against Essnia, which we know is not happening. So look,
- 15:14Speaker 1: it's another It still has to beat Norway. That's like,
- 15:17Speaker 1: it's not even then, it right, it's not. Yeah, they
- 15:20Speaker 1: need to slip up, but then we need to go
- 15:21Speaker 1: and beat them. So that's a whole other, you know,
- 15:23Speaker 1: whole other ballgames.
- 15:24Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 15:25Speaker 1: And honestly, as soon as Italy lost three nothing in
- 15:29Speaker 1: June to Norway and it was playoffs, it's the exact same,
- 15:34Speaker 1: exact same thing happened versus Spain in the twenty eighteen
- 15:36Speaker 1: qualifying and versus Switzerland in twenty twenty two. When you
- 15:40Speaker 1: play that top team that you need to win against
- 15:41Speaker 1: any drop points, you know it's over. It's it's so
- 15:45Speaker 1: hard to catch up, especially when it's on gold differential
- 15:47Speaker 1: and not head to head. But you know, you're talking
- 15:51Speaker 1: about the what ifs. For me, the what if is
- 15:52Speaker 1: what if they had beat Germany in the Nations League
- 15:55Speaker 1: and then they would have been put in Group A
- 15:57Speaker 1: with Slovakia, Northern Ireland and Luxembourg. And you know what,
- 16:02Speaker 1: that wouldn't have been much easier because Slovakia is a
- 16:05Speaker 1: decent team, Northern Ireland is a team that's played in
- 16:07Speaker 1: the Euros recently, and Germany's right now they're actually tied
- 16:10Speaker 1: in points with Slovakia after four match days, so maybe
- 16:13Speaker 1: we can droll on that too much. But yeah, you
- 16:17Speaker 1: know what, call me crazy.
- 16:20Speaker 3: But hi crazy, Hi, Hi, Jenny.
- 16:25Speaker 1: Looking in the playoffs the way the format is, it's
- 16:29Speaker 1: obviously not as difficult as past times because sixteen or sorry.
- 16:34Speaker 2: Twelve year olds say that please, no, no.
- 16:36Speaker 4: No, don't worry, Johnny, I have you here.
- 16:40Speaker 1: I'm speaking logically because logically, in the past there was
- 16:43Speaker 1: less European teams making the making the World Cup, right,
- 16:46Speaker 1: so the teams in the playoffs were stronger. This time,
- 16:50Speaker 1: twelve teams are already qualified for the World Cup, leaving
- 16:53Speaker 1: sixteen teams in the playoffs. The way it's gonna be,
- 16:56Speaker 1: it's uh, there's gonna be PO one, Pot two, Pot three,
- 16:59Speaker 1: Pot four, Pots one through three based on the FIFA rankings,
- 17:03Speaker 1: and POP four based on teams that finished out outside
- 17:06Speaker 1: the top two of their qualifying but are there.
- 17:08Speaker 3: Because of Nations League rankings.
- 17:10Speaker 4: Okay, So.
- 17:13Speaker 1: What I'm saying is Italy will avoid teams in Pot
- 17:16Speaker 1: one and hopefully Italy I think they should be in
- 17:19Speaker 1: Pot one come these playoffs. So they're not gonna be
- 17:23Speaker 1: like in twenty twenty two, there was a chance that
- 17:25Speaker 1: they would have played Portugal in that final, right in
- 17:27Speaker 1: that qualification playoff finale. There's gonna be no Italy Portugal
- 17:31Speaker 1: this time. It's realistically speaking, weaker teams. That means, that
- 17:38Speaker 1: means nothing. That means nothing, right, guys.
- 17:40Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, it's.
- 17:42Speaker 1: Like even Sweden, even Sweden in twenty seventeen, there's still
- 17:46Speaker 1: a strong team, you know, looking at the teams right now.
- 17:50Speaker 1: If it ended right now, the twelve teams that it
- 17:53Speaker 1: would be in the playoffs would be Slovakia, Kosovo, Scotland, Ukraine, Turkey, Hungary.
- 17:58Speaker 3: Poland Boston.
- 18:00Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously Italy, North Macedonia, Albania, Czech Republic, Wales, Romania,
- 18:04Speaker 1: Sweden and Northern Ireland. You take, you know, you take
- 18:10Speaker 1: the top four in the FIFA rankings, and already through
- 18:13Speaker 1: those teams, Italy.
- 18:14Speaker 3: Won't be playing.
- 18:15Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. It's not it's not as
- 18:18Speaker 1: nerve wracking. And look, hopefully three times to charm right,
- 18:20Speaker 1: hopefully cut March and what five and a half months
- 18:23Speaker 1: from now we'll be talking.
- 18:23Speaker 3: About third times to charm.
- 18:26Speaker 1: But it is nerve racking and in my head, like
- 18:29Speaker 1: there's no such thing as automatic qualifications in my head,
- 18:33Speaker 1: like Italy is not even in the World Cup right now.
- 18:34Speaker 1: The only team I have in the World Cup right
- 18:36Speaker 1: now is Canada, right yeah, But I you know, look,
- 18:41Speaker 1: even today's game, I Jenny were saying, it seems like
- 18:44Speaker 1: they're playing for the playoffs already. They are sure now
- 18:48Speaker 1: at least of a playoff spot, but it felt like
- 18:50Speaker 1: in today's game they were almost playing two ahead of
- 18:54Speaker 1: themselves because they didn't have the best first half. I
- 18:57Speaker 1: was pretty boring first half. They didn't have a a
- 19:00Speaker 1: lot of chances. Obviously, obviously they scored on the penalty
- 19:02Speaker 1: late in the half in uh an extra amount of time.
- 19:07Speaker 1: But I was a bit frustrated with the way they're
- 19:09Speaker 1: playing because I felt like they did play better on
- 19:11Speaker 1: Saturday against Estonia. Sure, Israel is a better is a
- 19:14Speaker 1: better team.
- 19:16Speaker 3: But what I do like.
- 19:17Speaker 1: About today's game, it was the second half actually that
- 19:20Speaker 1: the fact that they came out scored two more goals
- 19:22Speaker 1: and didn't allow a single goal. You know, compare this
- 19:25Speaker 1: to the last game against Israel five to four, where
- 19:28Speaker 1: that that could have absolutely derailed our World Cup qualifying.
- 19:32Speaker 1: So I think the mentality today's game was better, and
- 19:36Speaker 1: another positive from these two games overall, you guys talked
- 19:38Speaker 1: about it, right, Tigg.
- 19:39Speaker 3: I think this is the number nine, at least for now.
- 19:44Speaker 3: You know.
- 19:44Speaker 1: I think in every qualifying campaign, whether World Cup or
- 19:48Speaker 1: when Italy has that number nine, they have success. You
- 19:50Speaker 1: think about when they qualified for the euros Ziero, he
- 19:54Speaker 1: scored a lot. They that was last time they really
- 19:56Speaker 1: scored a lot of goals under Manchini when they first
- 19:58Speaker 1: uh started that that.
- 19:59Speaker 3: Air under mantioneing, when they went on that that long run.
- 20:04Speaker 1: So red to Gie has that has to be that
- 20:05Speaker 1: guy moving forward, and it's nice to see him continue
- 20:09Speaker 1: his success despite being outside of Italy. I think we
- 20:11Speaker 1: all had those concerns right, the fact that he was
- 20:14Speaker 1: living leaving Italy for Saudi. Uh So, I think we
- 20:17Speaker 1: have to we can put those to bed. And he
- 20:18Speaker 1: looks like a typical number nine, strong striker, good movement
- 20:22Speaker 1: like today's goal was absolutely beautiful, the curler and everything.
- 20:25Speaker 1: And I appreciate how he's able to score on p K.
- 20:28Speaker 1: You know, he didn't get in his head. He blasted
- 20:30Speaker 1: it home perfect p k H. So that's the right
- 20:33Speaker 1: thing we really need moving forward.
- 20:35Speaker 5: I agree, and he even said it right, he said,
- 20:38Speaker 5: I think, uh, we didn't catch all the the postgame
- 20:41Speaker 5: uh press uh press conference with Techy. We we're kind
- 20:46Speaker 5: of leaving Panino Paso on Saturday. But I had heard
- 20:50Speaker 5: a quote I had seen, Sorry, I had seen a
- 20:51Speaker 5: quote of his that said, you know what I missed,
- 20:54Speaker 5: but I know the next one that comes, I'm gonna
- 20:57Speaker 5: take it willingly, and I'm gonna and I'm gonna score.
- 21:00Speaker 5: And he did exactly that. So you you love to
- 21:04Speaker 5: see that type of confidence in your players, especially your
- 21:07Speaker 5: number nine because like we know, guys, you know the
- 21:10Speaker 5: number nine position, it's it's very it's very like already
- 21:15Speaker 5: sports are very uh you know, mentally focused, like driven,
- 21:18Speaker 5: but like the number nine, like when you're hot, you're hot,
- 21:21Speaker 5: you're cold, you're cold.
- 21:22Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of like a goalie hockey. It's
- 21:25Speaker 4: exactly right. It's it's kind of like these other these
- 21:28Speaker 4: other positions and other sports, and you know, when you're confident,
- 21:32Speaker 4: things go your way. And he's been confident.
- 21:35Speaker 5: I think that's what eleven goals and twenty four appearances
- 21:37Speaker 5: fairly it's incredible.
- 21:41Speaker 4: You know, he's he's what fourteen fifteen away from breaking
- 21:47Speaker 4: GIBUS record. What is he at now? It's like an absurd,
- 21:50Speaker 4: absurd number, it seems like.
- 21:52Speaker 3: But yeah, I was just I was just about to
- 21:54Speaker 3: look that up.
- 21:54Speaker 1: I was gonna say I was gonna almost say it, like, oh,
- 21:57Speaker 1: he's probably close to breaking the all time record.
- 22:00Speaker 4: What did you what thirty thirty five?
- 22:02Speaker 1: He's at eleven, right, eleven, so twenty four left, so
- 22:07Speaker 1: still twenty four. Sorry, it's one of those records, you know,
- 22:10Speaker 1: guys off topics. Sorry to interrupt your atri And no, no, no.
- 22:13Speaker 3: In sports, you.
- 22:13Speaker 1: Always talk about records that can be broken. This is
- 22:16Speaker 1: a record that will be broken in our lifetime. Yeah,
- 22:18Speaker 1: we just need a consistent goal scorer to see it happen.
- 22:20Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. If it doesn't, you know, we're we're we're
- 22:23Speaker 4: still missing the striker, I guess.
- 22:25Speaker 2: But but like, but, like I said many times before
- 22:27Speaker 2: and shows in the past, we've never been a nation
- 22:29Speaker 2: of having that one star striker that.
- 22:32Speaker 4: Just like dominates and destroy.
- 22:33Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying like like like like how do
- 22:37Speaker 2: I like a MESSI Ronaldo where it's like we depend
- 22:39Speaker 2: on them to carry the team. Probably the only time
- 22:42Speaker 2: like we've ever had that was Bad Joe in ninety four, and.
- 22:45Speaker 4: I think he has like twenty seven on the list.
- 22:47Speaker 5: So it's like, imagine like our goat of Italian culture,
- 22:51Speaker 5: you know, twenty seven goals, but he's not he wasn't
- 22:53Speaker 5: a goal scorer, a pure goal scorer, right, he was
- 22:55Speaker 5: number never.
- 22:57Speaker 2: We never really had like a guy where it's like
- 22:59Speaker 2: what out him? We don't have anything type.
- 23:01Speaker 5: Exactly exactly we're not because I saw somewhere as like Austria,
- 23:05Speaker 5: like who what's what's the striker's name? He played for
- 23:09Speaker 5: intere he played for Bologna, number nine? Oh my god,
- 23:13Speaker 5: uh the name escapes me. He played for he played
- 23:18Speaker 5: for Bologna.
- 23:18Speaker 4: Who's boy?
- 23:19Speaker 5: He almost eliminated us in the yeah.
- 23:23Speaker 3: One, Oh my god, I have.
- 23:28Speaker 2: Name?
- 23:30Speaker 4: Y are not? Thank you guys, thank you for helping
- 23:32Speaker 4: uh Arnautovich.
- 23:34Speaker 5: I think I saw something like some posts like yeah
- 23:37Speaker 5: he or not Vich already has like thirty seven goals.
- 23:39Speaker 4: He's like lead or whatever the number is. It's like
- 23:42Speaker 4: leading Austrian goald charts. I'm like and beating give at
- 23:45Speaker 4: thirty five.
- 23:46Speaker 5: I'm like yeah, but like you're comparing like apples and
- 23:48Speaker 5: oranges anyways, like it's just a side tangent. But like
- 23:51Speaker 5: to Jinny's points, we never had that true We've had
- 23:54Speaker 5: number nine in the past and great ones, don't get
- 23:57Speaker 5: me wrong, But I feel like with Italy it's always
- 23:58Speaker 5: been especially back then, it was more defensive to Nacho
- 24:02Speaker 5: we all know, and I feel it was always more
- 24:05Speaker 5: group oriented, like oriented, like it was more group effort
- 24:11Speaker 5: then individual uh, you know, performances. So but yeah, no,
- 24:19Speaker 5: it's it's for the techi, I think going back, it's
- 24:23Speaker 5: it's it's amazing. It's like eleven goals, like you know,
- 24:29Speaker 5: in twenty four appearances, like he's getting he's getting some
- 24:32Speaker 5: he's getting his moments, and he's been able to take
- 24:34Speaker 5: them so far. Like again, it's still a small sample size.
- 24:37Speaker 5: I know he obviously didn't have an excellent euro you know,
- 24:41Speaker 5: but Italy as a whole didn't really have one. So
- 24:43Speaker 5: it's hard to really single single him out and all that.
- 24:47Speaker 5: But I think if he gets continues against his opportunity,
- 24:51Speaker 5: and we've seen it with under Gutuoso, you know, Gato's
- 24:54Speaker 5: kind of found that that partnership with Keen for Tegi,
- 24:58Speaker 5: we've seen it. They can play off each other. We
- 25:00Speaker 5: don't have to own and go and play one striker.
- 25:02Speaker 5: And I saw today again, I didn't really notice that
- 25:05Speaker 5: as much in the game on Saturday, but the game today,
- 25:10Speaker 5: you know, the tech he's able to, his build up play,
- 25:12Speaker 5: I think is is better than maybe people think, because
- 25:15Speaker 5: I saw him really tracked back and really get involved
- 25:19Speaker 5: with the play so far into the midfield it was crazy,
- 25:22Speaker 5: and then working his way up up the pitch. So
- 25:26Speaker 5: I think he's more than just a target man. He's
- 25:29Speaker 5: able to I don't, I can't. I'm not gonna say
- 25:31Speaker 5: he's be able to really create entirely on his own,
- 25:34Speaker 5: but I think his link up play, his head's up play.
- 25:38Speaker 5: You know, his i Q football iq is is pretty high.
- 25:42Speaker 5: So and you know, if it takes a guy like
- 25:45Speaker 5: him and even Keen for that matter, and whoever else
- 25:50Speaker 5: that is able to maybe take you know, pure osposess
- 25:52Speaker 5: under under under their wing.
- 25:54Speaker 4: I think that's a positive because him too.
- 25:56Speaker 5: Again, I know he's an inter player, but uh, you know,
- 25:59Speaker 5: joking aside and biases aside, he looked pretty impressive.
- 26:03Speaker 4: He should have finished his chance today, uh off, there
- 26:05Speaker 4: was a there was a turnover in the box.
- 26:08Speaker 5: Uh the tech he's passed the cross crease and uh
- 26:11Speaker 5: po shot and pretty much right out of the keeper
- 26:14Speaker 5: and he in my opinion, a true number nine and
- 26:16Speaker 5: a real number nine, and the experienced number nine is
- 26:18Speaker 5: going to score that. Unfortunately it wasn't to be for him,
- 26:20Speaker 5: but he already got his first goal. He's getting some moments.
- 26:25Speaker 5: So if he can fall in maybe their footsteps and
- 26:28Speaker 5: kind of go under their wing, I think it's it's
- 26:30Speaker 5: another positive, fairly, you know, strike striker wise, because Peo supposed.
- 26:35Speaker 4: I love his build. He's he's the Scamacha.
- 26:39Speaker 5: Lorenzo Luca that we that we want but haven't seen
- 26:43Speaker 5: from them so far exactly so far, right and they
- 26:48Speaker 5: have Patana two point zero, but right, so, you know,
- 26:53Speaker 5: because I love his you love his measurables, like he's
- 26:56Speaker 5: he's that guy, like he's he's tall, he's physical, he's strong.
- 27:01Speaker 5: His touch seems his touch seems to be pretty good.
- 27:06Speaker 5: You know, he's he's he's still young, twenty years old.
- 27:09Speaker 5: I think you got to give him time. But I
- 27:11Speaker 5: like that he's been able to be incorporated in this
- 27:14Speaker 5: in this group. And and yeah, but uh yeah, like
- 27:18Speaker 5: you said, Nick, I think the main man right now
- 27:19Speaker 5: is is definitely Riteggy And I'm happy because I'm I'm
- 27:22Speaker 5: I'm a fan of his I like that Goatuso still
- 27:25Speaker 5: called him even though he moved to Saudi, because that
- 27:28Speaker 5: could have easily went south right away, like he could
- 27:30Speaker 5: have easily okay, went to Saudi and probably never been
- 27:32Speaker 5: looked at again by another.
- 27:33Speaker 4: Manager we don't know.
- 27:34Speaker 5: Gatuso says he has his eyes on everybody from what
- 27:38Speaker 5: we hear in in in the in the pressers. So
- 27:41Speaker 5: you know, I think it's it's good that he's been
- 27:44Speaker 5: able to find some continuity with uh, with with Reteggy.
- 27:48Speaker 5: And I'm gonna throw Keen's name in there because for Italy,
- 27:52Speaker 5: these guys have been laid out, whites out. I know
- 27:55Speaker 5: Keen has been struggling a bit for fiudent Tina to
- 27:58Speaker 5: get going. I think you he has like one goal
- 28:00Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken, after being up there in the scoring
- 28:03Speaker 5: charts last year. But I think it'll come uh and
- 28:07Speaker 5: again when their confidence is high.
- 28:09Speaker 4: This guy's the limit.
- 28:11Speaker 3: Uh.
- 28:12Speaker 2: One thing I want to say, Adrian, to make you
- 28:14Speaker 2: feel better. Don't think of his supposedly too as an
- 28:16Speaker 2: inter player, think of his spos.
- 28:21Speaker 4: But he's he's an inter fin too. I understand, man.
- 28:24Speaker 4: That's crazy to me.
- 28:25Speaker 2: Well, I mean, let's look at what's the name, uh,
- 28:28Speaker 2: Fabrizio Romanos Aldan. But he's an Inter fan, let's be.
- 28:31Speaker 4: Is he Yeah? Okay I thought, yeah, I thought, I
- 28:34Speaker 4: thought you support an.
- 28:35Speaker 2: Not No, don't forget like Monopoly like prior to like
- 28:40Speaker 2: the mid two thousands. You know, they were a team
- 28:43Speaker 2: that was like long forgotten.
- 28:44Speaker 3: You know, I supposely told didn't grow up with that team.
- 28:48Speaker 2: He grew up with like the very mid it's like
- 28:51Speaker 2: years old.
- 28:53Speaker 4: He's twenty years old.
- 28:54Speaker 2: Yeah, so you saw when was he born?
- 28:57Speaker 3: Looking that up?
- 28:58Speaker 4: Who doesn't find Okay, June twenty, two.
- 29:01Speaker 3: Thousand and five.
- 29:02Speaker 1: By the time he was five years old, already Napole,
- 29:04Speaker 1: he was already coming back into it.
- 29:05Speaker 2: Yes, but if you think about it, he saw Inter
- 29:07Speaker 2: when the plant. That's why it makes sense that he's
- 29:10Speaker 2: an interista Napoli two thousand and five and SETI I.
- 29:13Speaker 1: B yeah, But yeah, he was born to five point
- 29:17Speaker 1: is it? I say, like, you gotta start counting at
- 29:20Speaker 1: like five years old.
- 29:21Speaker 2: Okay, they saw Inter twenty ten.
- 29:25Speaker 3: Okay, all right, fair, you went, you win.
- 29:28Speaker 4: But he's but he's not boy done. Yeah that should
- 29:31Speaker 4: be the that should be the b o end all
- 29:32Speaker 4: he's not boy done. So it's not good or nothing.
- 29:35Speaker 3: I I don't disagree, but okay, all right, all right,
- 29:38Speaker 3: cow win them all? Uh you guys, I want to die.
- 29:41Speaker 1: I know it's early with Gatuso four games and six
- 29:44Speaker 1: and goals four or five against?
- 29:46Speaker 3: It, Okay, I'm gonna be honest. It feels longer that Gatuzo.
- 29:49Speaker 4: Has been coached. It's only two international windows. It's crazy.
- 29:52Speaker 3: Yeah, he was hired in June. Yeah, it's we were.
- 29:56Speaker 1: Talking about it. I forgot that Spilett. He has a
- 29:59Speaker 1: part in this world. The qualifying is how isn't why
- 30:01Speaker 1: we might why we're going to another playoffs?
- 30:03Speaker 4: That's my point.
- 30:04Speaker 1: There you go, because of those two games in June,
- 30:07Speaker 1: play four games in sixteen goals four or five against.
- 30:10Speaker 1: If you have to give a rating out of ten,
- 30:12Speaker 1: what would you give it? Or is it still too early?
- 30:16Speaker 1: It's still too early?
- 30:17Speaker 4: Johnny? Okay, yeah, uh, still too early? I think it.
- 30:22Speaker 4: I think it is still early.
- 30:25Speaker 5: But if if I would have to give a rating
- 30:26Speaker 5: regardless like of it being of being early, I would
- 30:31Speaker 5: say seven seven and a half.
- 30:35Speaker 4: Room to grow, for sure. But we're we're at a
- 30:38Speaker 4: passing grade.
- 30:40Speaker 3: You know.
- 30:40Speaker 5: It's it's it's a it's a respect. Like me, when
- 30:42Speaker 5: I got the seventy seventy five on a test like,
- 30:44Speaker 5: I was happy. I know some others weren't happy, you know,
- 30:48Speaker 5: they wanted that ninety ninety five or one hundred.
- 30:50Speaker 4: Yeah, seventy seventy five. I was content. So right now
- 30:53Speaker 4: we're content at seven seven and a half. For Gatuzzo.
- 30:58Speaker 4: Room to grow always, so there's always them to grow.
- 31:01Speaker 5: Maybe we can you know, achieve the nine or the ninety,
- 31:06Speaker 5: the ninety five to nine point five in the future,
- 31:09Speaker 5: but I think right now still too early to really
- 31:13Speaker 5: say it's only it's only four matches. Albeit they were
- 31:16Speaker 5: important matches and they were must wins all of them,
- 31:18Speaker 5: and Gatuzo has done that and shown that and like
- 31:22Speaker 5: the points we made earlier, you know, the scoal scoring
- 31:24Speaker 5: and all that. But for me personally, if I had
- 31:26Speaker 5: to really say, it would be seven seven and a
- 31:28Speaker 5: half range.
- 31:30Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I think satisfactory.
- 31:32Speaker 1: Seven Yeah, maybe it is tr really like I think
- 31:36Speaker 1: for me the biggest downside is that first game against Israel,
- 31:40Speaker 1: the five to four. That's a game that you almost
- 31:43Speaker 1: feel like Italy should have had back. You know, they
- 31:45Speaker 1: scored the five goals, even if they allowed one or two.
- 31:48Speaker 1: That's that's big on the goal differential. Thank god we
- 31:51Speaker 1: came away, came away with winning that one, but could
- 31:54Speaker 1: have could have helped in years.
- 31:55Speaker 4: Past that that would have been a loss. In years past,
- 31:57Speaker 4: that would have been a loss. Yeah, maybe or tie
- 32:00Speaker 4: at the very at the very least.
- 32:02Speaker 2: So I can't really fault the two goals onto him.
- 32:05Speaker 3: No, it was the one the goals and then this
- 32:12Speaker 3: past time the.
- 32:15Speaker 5: Ruma yeah, but those are not those those are those
- 32:18Speaker 5: are things that happen on the page, right, these are
- 32:20Speaker 5: unfortunate things that happen. So, uh, you know, you can't
- 32:24Speaker 5: really fault Gato that all that much for that. Like
- 32:28Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure like in the locker room, you know,
- 32:33Speaker 5: told Uma to to show up those hands or else
- 32:36Speaker 5: he's gonna chop them off, So like you know what
- 32:38Speaker 5: I mean, Like it's he I think Dona will be
- 32:41Speaker 5: good to go after that. Like, but again it's these
- 32:43Speaker 5: are these are these are things that happen. The penalty
- 32:46Speaker 5: miss for the techy again, the best ones miss. You
- 32:50Speaker 5: have to take them to be able to to to
- 32:52Speaker 5: to to miss right, So so again these are these
- 32:56Speaker 5: are these are minor things. But in my opinion, like
- 33:00Speaker 5: if we fix these these minor details, I think, again, guys,
- 33:05Speaker 5: I think we're I think we're a good team.
- 33:07Speaker 4: We're dangerous team. Like I think there are the pieces there.
- 33:10Speaker 5: I don't like certain things. Don't get me wrong, but
- 33:13Speaker 5: I think there's there's there's there's pieces to to to
- 33:16Speaker 5: work with. And again, I think we said it again
- 33:20Speaker 5: on Saturday. We're always being up Saturday because you know,
- 33:22Speaker 5: we had a we had a great watch party at
- 33:24Speaker 5: Panino Pazzo. But we just need to get into the tournament.
- 33:28Speaker 5: We just need to get into the World Cup. Because
- 33:30Speaker 5: once we're in the World Cup, it's it's a different Italy,
- 33:33Speaker 5: it's a different story. It's anything can happen. And usually
- 33:36Speaker 5: when we're in a tournament.
- 33:39Speaker 4: You know, I'm not.
- 33:40Speaker 5: Always gonna say always good things happen, because we've seen
- 33:42Speaker 5: disappointment while we're in tournaments, for sure.
- 33:45Speaker 4: But give us a chance.
- 33:46Speaker 5: Let's get into the tournament. Doubt us, let us be
- 33:49Speaker 5: the underdogs. We saw what happened in twenty twenty one.
- 33:53Speaker 3: Yeah, moving forward with the qualification.
- 33:55Speaker 1: November thirteen versus Moldova, November sixteenth versus Norway. Obviously Italy,
- 33:59Speaker 1: no what they need to do to still qualify directly
- 34:03Speaker 1: obviously unlikely at this point. Well, what do you guys
- 34:07Speaker 1: want to see from the team in the last two games?
- 34:09Speaker 1: For me, no matter what, I want to see two wins,
- 34:13Speaker 1: especially against Norway. It feels like a big game, even
- 34:15Speaker 1: if they go in down fifteen in the goal differential,
- 34:19Speaker 1: just just for pride, right, just for momentum going to
- 34:22Speaker 1: the playoffs to get that win versus Norway, almost to
- 34:26Speaker 1: get the monkey off the back with a game of.
- 34:27Speaker 3: The Saint Zierroo.
- 34:28Speaker 2: Right.
- 34:29Speaker 1: We've talked about how many times have they you know,
- 34:32Speaker 1: they have had a couple of wins at the Sant
- 34:34Speaker 1: zero in recent years, but a couple of bad games too,
- 34:38Speaker 1: And so no matter what, I do want to see
- 34:41Speaker 1: the wins versus no Way and continue improvement. Obviously, we
- 34:45Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen in between a month between
- 34:48Speaker 1: now and a month from now, if there's any injuries
- 34:49Speaker 1: or whatnot.
- 34:51Speaker 3: But it's also a short time. A month is not
- 34:52Speaker 3: a long time. You know.
- 34:53Speaker 1: There's go be what four or five today, a match
- 34:56Speaker 1: days and then it's gonna be international break again.
- 34:58Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what I want to see. I don't
- 35:01Speaker 3: know about you guys, Jenny wins Wins, I agree with Nick.
- 35:06Speaker 2: I think I think wins is the best way to
- 35:08Speaker 2: describe it. Pride for sure, Uh, to build up like
- 35:13Speaker 2: I said before, build up that confidence, build up the
- 35:15Speaker 2: fact that like look like like we're we're we're Italy,
- 35:19Speaker 2: Like we we're we're a team that's dominant. And we
- 35:24Speaker 2: need to get back to the mentality about like, no
- 35:26Speaker 2: matter who we face, we always have chances of winning.
- 35:28Speaker 2: And and I know the players obviously still believe that
- 35:31Speaker 2: and think that, But do we honestly have that feeling?
- 35:35Speaker 2: You know, Like, do we do we honestly have that
- 35:38Speaker 2: feeling or we're just trying to like have false confidence
- 35:41Speaker 2: for it. Now I'm not saying you could, like, like
- 35:42Speaker 2: I think Adri you like to say the best fake
- 35:44Speaker 2: it till you make it right.
- 35:46Speaker 3: Uh, you know, maybe you have to do that.
- 35:48Speaker 2: But but like, but I want to see that happen
- 35:51Speaker 2: again where it's like they face a team that's like, Okay,
- 35:54Speaker 2: they don't have to play down to their level. They
- 35:55Speaker 2: can just easily pocket five six goals on against them
- 35:58Speaker 2: and move on from there. Like I I want to
- 36:00Speaker 2: see that kind of Italy. That's what I want so
- 36:02Speaker 2: obviously wins, and I feel like you get that from
- 36:04Speaker 2: from the wins itself.
- 36:06Speaker 5: So yeah, sorry, Nick, you're gonna say something No, no, okay, sorry,
- 36:12Speaker 5: uh no. I like again, guys, it's it's very simple.
- 36:15Speaker 4: We need to win. Forget that what we want to see.
- 36:17Speaker 4: We we need to win. There's there's no ifs or butts.
- 36:20Speaker 4: It's a must wind.
- 36:23Speaker 5: Ever since we watched the first match against Norway, right,
- 36:25Speaker 5: it's been it's been must wins every single time.
- 36:27Speaker 4: So again to to to continue on these guys points,
- 36:30Speaker 4: it's it's it's obviously must wins. And you know what,
- 36:34Speaker 4: I like to see the Queen sheet.
- 36:36Speaker 5: In both matches, fucking enough of this fucking Holland scoring
- 36:41Speaker 5: five goals, getting three penalties, retrying them. Enough of that,
- 36:47Speaker 5: Like I, let's get let's go back to our roots.
- 36:50Speaker 5: If we want to we want to be Italy, we
- 36:51Speaker 5: want to go back to our roots. Let's fucking shore
- 36:53Speaker 5: up that defense. Let's get these clean sheets like today
- 36:57Speaker 5: I felt. I mean, listen, it was okay three nothing
- 36:59Speaker 5: against it is really okay whatever, but.
- 37:03Speaker 4: Score. You know we're not going to score fifteen goals
- 37:07Speaker 4: because I don't think that. But let's score, get those
- 37:09Speaker 4: clean sheets, let's get out of their you know, unscathed,
- 37:12Speaker 4: and you know, so be it.
- 37:14Speaker 5: Whatever it's going to be for the playoffs. I think
- 37:18Speaker 5: you know that defense it's been. We've seen different renditions
- 37:23Speaker 5: of it, We've seen different formations. Again, I'm not not
- 37:28Speaker 5: to knock your boy, Johnny, but I don't want to
- 37:31Speaker 5: see deal Orengzon in a three man backfield, in a
- 37:34Speaker 5: back line. In my opinion, I don't want to see it.
- 37:36Speaker 5: But if it is to be him, I just want
- 37:39Speaker 5: the whole unit to be you know, uh, coherent and
- 37:43Speaker 5: together and and be able to to stop allowing these
- 37:47Speaker 5: these goals because, like you said, Nick earlier, that five
- 37:49Speaker 5: to four. Like again, I know there was those two
- 37:52Speaker 5: one goals and all that other shenanigan, but like.
- 37:55Speaker 4: It should have never have been to that degree.
- 37:58Speaker 5: So I want us to to sharp the sharp the defense,
- 38:02Speaker 5: get the clean sheets, get out of there, and whatever
- 38:05Speaker 5: it's going to be, whoever we're going to face in
- 38:07Speaker 5: the playoffs, you know, so be it. If Jesu Bombin
- 38:11Speaker 5: is looking down on us and he happens to bless
- 38:13Speaker 5: us with you know, a Norway loss or draw against Estonia,
- 38:18Speaker 5: we'll take that with open arms too.
- 38:21Speaker 4: But I agree with what you said John earlier. You know,
- 38:24Speaker 4: we can't we can't depend on other.
- 38:27Speaker 5: People's or other team's results, and we can't kind of
- 38:30Speaker 5: scoreboard watch and all that type of stuff.
- 38:32Speaker 4: We need to really take care of our our the
- 38:34Speaker 4: business in our hands.
- 38:35Speaker 5: And yeah, I just want to see, uh And I'm
- 38:39Speaker 5: curious to see what Gutuso, who Gutuso calls up for
- 38:43Speaker 5: that time as well, Like you said, Nick, potential injuries,
- 38:46Speaker 5: potential maybe call ups that people have been maybe kind
- 38:50Speaker 5: of thinking about, Oh is this guy going to get
- 38:51Speaker 5: called up? Like you know, the biggest name obviously is Kieza.
- 38:54Speaker 5: Like I'm curious to see if Kieza gets introduced for
- 38:56Speaker 5: this Like I don't know, but there's lots of Again,
- 38:59Speaker 5: what if from now until mid November. I know it's
- 39:03Speaker 5: only a month away, but there's there's still some time
- 39:05Speaker 5: to make some decisions. And again, like I said earlier,
- 39:09Speaker 5: I'm gonna put my faith in Gatuso. We did that,
- 39:11Speaker 5: you know with Mancini, we did that for a short
- 39:14Speaker 5: period of time with Spiletti.
- 39:17Speaker 4: We have to put our faith in in Gatuzo.
- 39:20Speaker 5: Because that's the only way we're gonna We're gonna go forward,
- 39:23Speaker 5: uh in a positive direction. So yeah, it's it's it's
- 39:27Speaker 5: it's it's must wins like it's it's not more than that.
- 39:32Speaker 4: We just need to. We just need to be like
- 39:36Speaker 4: you said, Johnny, sorry, we need to be Italy. We
- 39:39Speaker 4: need to.
- 39:39Speaker 5: We need to, we need to be us and we
- 39:41Speaker 5: need to uh to pay out our strengths and uh
- 39:43Speaker 5: and and make make teams afraid to play us again,
- 39:47Speaker 5: because I feel like now, like again, I'm gonna go
- 39:51Speaker 5: back to that Israel game, the first one. I don't
- 39:54Speaker 5: think Israel was afraid to pay Italy like even today.
- 39:57Speaker 5: I don't think they weren't afraid to pay Italy like
- 40:01Speaker 5: back in the days, like teams used to fear Italy
- 40:03Speaker 5: to play them because they knew what type of match
- 40:06Speaker 5: they were getting themselves into. Now, you know, I don't
- 40:13Speaker 5: see that as much like teams don't really fear Italy
- 40:15Speaker 5: as maybe they once they once did.
- 40:18Speaker 4: So I would like to see that again.
- 40:20Speaker 5: I know that's not gonna happen in a month's time,
- 40:22Speaker 5: and you know against Moldovan and and and Norway.
- 40:26Speaker 4: But let's build that.
- 40:28Speaker 5: Let's build that making teams afraid to play Italy again
- 40:31Speaker 5: because when that is, you know, I think, you know,
- 40:34Speaker 5: we can play to our strengths and you know we
- 40:36Speaker 5: can we can dominate games. And I hope it starts
- 40:40Speaker 5: in a month's time.
- 40:42Speaker 4: Guys.
- 40:43Speaker 1: Last thing I wanted to talk about is, you know,
- 40:46Speaker 1: right now, I think we have twenty eight of the
- 40:48Speaker 1: forty eight teams qualified for the World Cup. A lot
- 40:51Speaker 1: of new countries, uh small countries. I'm gonna I'm gonna
- 40:55Speaker 1: list off all the teams qualified so far, Australia, I Ran, Japan,
- 41:00Speaker 1: Jordan not Michael Jordan's Qatar obviously they qualifying after posting,
- 41:06Speaker 1: so you know what, good for them that they're be
- 41:08Speaker 1: able to actually qualify.
- 41:10Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia. Who's going to host World Cup.
- 41:13Speaker 1: In twenty thirty four? I want to say South South
- 41:16Speaker 1: Korea and our favorite country is Pakistan.
- 41:20Speaker 3: Cup debut. Were enough Africa? Nine spots for Africa? It
- 41:26Speaker 3: seems a bit excessive, but whatever.
- 41:28Speaker 5: Algeria in Africa there's a lot, Yeah, there's a lot
- 41:33Speaker 5: of some good competition there too.
- 41:34Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's better Thankistan.
- 41:38Speaker 3: No offense or Jordan.
- 41:40Speaker 4: I'm sorry, like you can give Africa to fucking twelve spots.
- 41:44Speaker 1: I don't give it fair enough, fair enough because it
- 41:46Speaker 1: because with the African qualification, there's actually some teams that
- 41:50Speaker 1: haven't qualified that could go through the intercontinental playoffs.
- 41:53Speaker 3: I think Nigeria, Nigeria is actually, yeah.
- 41:56Speaker 1: One of those good competitions in Africa that didn't automatically qualify. Yeah,
- 42:02Speaker 1: Nigeria and Cameroon are. Yeah, Nigeria, Cameroon, Congo and Cabon
- 42:06Speaker 1: are actually they're gonna fight, uh their playoffs them for
- 42:10Speaker 1: just to go through the intercontinental playoffs in March. But yeah,
- 42:16Speaker 1: So in Africa, Algeria k Verji World Cup debut island
- 42:21Speaker 1: of five hundred over five hundred thousand people. Just it's
- 42:24Speaker 1: about one hundred thousand people more than the island of Lava.
- 42:28Speaker 3: Put that into perspective.
- 42:29Speaker 5: Montreal listeners or our Laval listeners, just to put it
- 42:33Speaker 5: in perspective.
- 42:34Speaker 1: Egypt, Ghana Ivory Coast returning for the first time since
- 42:37Speaker 1: twenty fourteen.
- 42:38Speaker 3: Good to see them back there.
- 42:39Speaker 1: Definitely one of the feeld good teams in the two thousands,
- 42:42Speaker 1: right with drug Bah you know Gervino.
- 42:46Speaker 4: And yeah yeah, Torey No, yeah, yeah, Torey as well.
- 42:48Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Gana Ghana as well they're they're back. I
- 42:52Speaker 1: mean they qualified in twenty twenty two as well. But
- 42:54Speaker 1: one of those field good teams Moroccos and Nengal South
- 42:58Speaker 1: Africa and Tunisia South Africa, South Africa, right.
- 43:02Speaker 3: I'm yeah, I'm guess I don't remember them.
- 43:04Speaker 4: I've seen that today.
- 43:06Speaker 3: Yeah I don't. I don't remember them. I haven't qualified since.
- 43:11Speaker 3: Let me just trying to find that. Yeah, yeah, twenty ten.
- 43:17Speaker 1: Obviously the CONKAF it's not done yet. We know the
- 43:20Speaker 1: three hosts obviously in it. Cornonball no surprise here, Argentina, Brazil, Columbia, Acquador, Paraguay, Uruguay, Oceania,
- 43:30Speaker 1: New Zealand and then so for the only team from
- 43:33Speaker 1: you IFA qualified right now is England with the International
- 43:37Speaker 1: Internental Intercontinental Playoffs. I saw one of the teams that's
- 43:43Speaker 1: gonna be in it is New Caledonia.
- 43:47Speaker 3: Where New Caledonia is. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
- 43:51Speaker 4: See North Caledonia.
- 43:54Speaker 1: Okay, new New New Caledonia North No, sorry, okay, yeah, yeah,
- 43:59Speaker 1: I don't know where the old Caledonia.
- 44:00Speaker 4: Is, man or just what about regular Caledonia does it exist?
- 44:06Speaker 3: No clue.
- 44:08Speaker 1: I think this is a team that that plays in
- 44:10Speaker 1: the Oceania. Oh, okay Confederation, so I guess it's an
- 44:13Speaker 1: island in that in that region. And Bolivia is another
- 44:16Speaker 1: team that's gonna be in the international internal playoffs. So guys,
- 44:21Speaker 1: what I wanted to ask, are you guys a fan
- 44:24Speaker 1: of this forty eighteen World Cup with some of these
- 44:26Speaker 1: smaller teams. You know, on one hand, it's cool, it's
- 44:28Speaker 1: good for them, especially for a team like Kate Vergie,
- 44:30Speaker 1: like feel good story.
- 44:32Speaker 3: That's awesome.
- 44:33Speaker 1: But you know, on the other hand, it's like, I'm
- 44:37Speaker 1: worried how the soccer is going to be. I'm legitimately
- 44:40Speaker 1: like curious. Is this gonna be a good turn? Is
- 44:43Speaker 1: the group stage gonna be a wash? Where're you gonna
- 44:46Speaker 1: have really strong teams just killing a team like care
- 44:49Speaker 1: Vergie and those disrespect to them.
- 44:51Speaker 3: But you know, guys, think back.
- 44:53Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember the twenty thirteen Confederations
- 44:55Speaker 1: Cup where Tahiti made it and they were happy to
- 44:59Speaker 1: just score one goal in the tournament. They were killed
- 45:01Speaker 1: like ten nothing every game. So ip I hope it
- 45:06Speaker 1: doesn't turn into that. I'm sure we'll have some interesting
- 45:09Speaker 1: games between some of these smaller teams, but I don't know, guys,
- 45:13Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect to come to June.
- 45:17Speaker 2: I'm okay with it in a sense. It's just like
- 45:20Speaker 2: it's a lot more games that have to be played.
- 45:21Speaker 2: But I mean, we all know why they're doing it, right,
- 45:24Speaker 2: It's just more of a cash grab, right. You have
- 45:26Speaker 2: more people watching the games, you have more people a
- 45:29Speaker 2: reason to like it. Just at the end of the day,
- 45:32Speaker 2: it's just like, if you're a team that's a serious
- 45:34Speaker 2: contender for the trophy, it's just one more game you
- 45:37Speaker 2: have to win, if you think about it, if you're
- 45:41Speaker 2: a contending team, it's just one more game you have
- 45:43Speaker 2: to win. And at that point, it's like, you know what,
- 45:45Speaker 2: if you have to beat Cape is it cape Verde
- 45:48Speaker 2: or is it Cape Verge?
- 45:50Speaker 1: On Portuguese you would say Cape Vergie like Brazilian Portuguese.
- 45:53Speaker 1: So I don't know if how they say it there,
- 45:55Speaker 1: it's Cape VeryE.
- 45:56Speaker 4: All of a sudden, he's Portuguese.
- 45:58Speaker 3: Is the official name cabove Ergy.
- 46:01Speaker 2: It gets engaged to Brazilian woman and now, yeah, we've
- 46:04Speaker 2: all brazil Three years ago you would just say three
- 46:08Speaker 2: years ago you would have said that Cape.
- 46:09Speaker 3: Verd exactly exactly. You end up comes and how that's
- 46:14Speaker 3: a hard time saying because says you did you but.
- 46:21Speaker 4: No you Yeah, the pronunciation, guys, now, all of a
- 46:27Speaker 4: sudden pronunciation.
- 46:29Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna google how to pronounce cape Verde
- 46:32Speaker 1: cape verd?
- 46:34Speaker 3: Uh cape verde? Apparently curve verd.
- 46:38Speaker 4: Okay, so there we go. Yeah.
- 46:40Speaker 5: Interesting, But listen, I think it's only gonna be uh,
- 46:44Speaker 5: I'm only gonna enjoy it being forty eight teams if
- 46:46Speaker 5: it was there, Like that's the bottom line for me.
- 46:50Speaker 5: Joking aside and like all that aside. I think again,
- 46:53Speaker 5: it's totally throughly tell it's it's astonishing to me that
- 46:58Speaker 5: you know, you you scroll on social media and you see.
- 47:02Speaker 4: Cape ver qualify. You know, uh fucking use Bekistan.
- 47:07Speaker 5: No again, no disrespect, but what the Gatuzo say to
- 47:11Speaker 5: because is another coach. You put some gel in your hair,
- 47:14Speaker 5: you put some colon on, and you're into the World Cup.
- 47:16Speaker 5: Meanwhile me, I'm in the trenches trying to trying to qualify.
- 47:19Speaker 5: So he's not wrong, right, It's it's one of those things.
- 47:23Speaker 5: But it's Johnny said it perfectly. It's it's it's it's
- 47:27Speaker 5: all for the dollar. It's it's more money in the
- 47:30Speaker 5: in FIFA's pockets. And uh maybe we should have asked
- 47:34Speaker 5: Rocco to ask Johnny and Fantino when he was here
- 47:36Speaker 5: in Montreal, to to see what the deal is with
- 47:38Speaker 5: this forty eight club, forty eight team World Cup. But
- 47:43Speaker 5: again I think it's still too early to tell. I
- 47:46Speaker 5: think we have to go through the tournament and kind
- 47:48Speaker 5: of obviously gauge it more, uh at a better you know,
- 47:53Speaker 5: better understanding.
- 47:54Speaker 4: But already these players and these and these and these.
- 47:57Speaker 5: Teams and and whatnot are are are worn out to
- 48:02Speaker 5: the core. It's a lot of it's a lot of
- 48:04Speaker 5: it's a lot of football, it's a lot of cultural guys.
- 48:06Speaker 5: It's at the at the end of it. Like again,
- 48:09Speaker 5: I think we said it on Saturday. These guys get
- 48:11Speaker 5: what two three three weeks off in the year, especially
- 48:15Speaker 5: in uh In in a international tournament year, it's like
- 48:21Speaker 5: they get barely any any any rest. Then we wonder
- 48:24Speaker 5: why they're injured or they're not performing well or this
- 48:27Speaker 5: or that. So is like, yeah, Johnny, I think you
- 48:31Speaker 5: brought up or somebody brought.
- 48:32Speaker 4: Up I remember who it was, but it was me.
- 48:34Speaker 5: Yeah, you brought up And I think the guys, you know,
- 48:37Speaker 5: even by bad and and Renie they agreed and you
- 48:41Speaker 5: know six like Barrella's playing like what sixty five plus
- 48:45Speaker 5: games a year and then you go to pay for
- 48:47Speaker 5: Italy and it's like and a perfect example. And again
- 48:50Speaker 5: I was listening to me and Weekly podcast yesterday and
- 48:55Speaker 5: they brought us you brought it up.
- 48:57Speaker 4: I think it was, you know, like Uma, you know, goes.
- 49:03Speaker 5: To the whole French League Champions League final, wins it
- 49:07Speaker 5: club World Cup in the summer, goes to a city
- 49:12Speaker 5: that's NonStop at city, plays every match international qualifiers for
- 49:17Speaker 5: the World Cup for Italy, he plays every match, and
- 49:20Speaker 5: then we wonder why he has a blunder. It's you know,
- 49:23Speaker 5: it's one of these things that's a give and take, right,
- 49:25Speaker 5: So these guys they don't stop, so, you know, adding
- 49:29Speaker 5: more teams and more more things on the schedule. You know,
- 49:32Speaker 5: it's it kind of is what it is. But I
- 49:35Speaker 5: don't know, I don't If Italy doesn't make the World
- 49:39Speaker 5: Cup at forty eight teams, there's there's a problem. That's
- 49:41Speaker 5: I guess my whole point, Like it's it would be crazy,
- 49:44Speaker 5: like we need to see Italy in the World Cup again.
- 49:47Speaker 4: It's enough of this. You know, maybe I'll turn on
- 49:51Speaker 4: the World Cup game.
- 49:51Speaker 5: Because it's you know, Argentina versus use Beckistan, but I
- 49:57Speaker 5: probably won't enjoy it because I know our teena is
- 50:00Speaker 5: gonna whoop use Pakistan, and I know I'm picking on
- 50:03Speaker 5: Uzbekistan because that's.
- 50:04Speaker 4: The one that comes to mind the most. But I
- 50:07Speaker 4: would be proud, right, you know exactly. God bless them.
- 50:10Speaker 3: Too when they when they qualify. Do you think they
- 50:14Speaker 3: said we go to America.
- 50:16Speaker 5: Yeah, like maybe probably he's probably like the spokesperson maybe,
- 50:19Speaker 5: or maybe he's like the team manage I don't know,
- 50:21Speaker 5: but like just to say, like it really needs to
- 50:24Speaker 5: be there.
- 50:24Speaker 4: I need I want to watch, I want to be invested.
- 50:26Speaker 4: I want the emotion. I want, uh, you know, a
- 50:30Speaker 4: bit of the suffering. It's it's it's good pain.
- 50:32Speaker 5: Sometimes we we've seen what it does not only for
- 50:37Speaker 5: us in terms of the show and the content and
- 50:40Speaker 5: and all that, but us personally where it does for
- 50:43Speaker 5: the city.
- 50:44Speaker 1: Uh.
- 50:44Speaker 4: And these these heavily populated Italian cities.
- 50:48Speaker 5: Across North America or wherever they may be, Australia, wherever
- 50:51Speaker 5: else in the world outside of Europe as well, or
- 50:53Speaker 5: in Europe too. It brings so much joy to be
- 50:56Speaker 5: able to watch games together, these watch parties, going to
- 50:59Speaker 5: the bar, going to the cafe. Like if there's forty
- 51:02Speaker 5: eight teams, Italy needs to be one of those forty
- 51:04Speaker 5: eight teams to for me to to enjoy. So that's
- 51:06Speaker 5: what I'm hoping for. And let's see come come March,
- 51:10Speaker 5: because again, guys, boys, mark the calendars from March.
- 51:13Speaker 4: Because I think the playoffs is where we're headed.
- 51:17Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, you know, with this bigger format, it's
- 51:20Speaker 1: it's gonna come to a point where we expect or
- 51:22Speaker 1: at least one, both Italy and Canada to qualify every year.
- 51:25Speaker 1: No more of one team to cheer for the World
- 51:28Speaker 1: Cup or twenty zero teams to cheer for.
- 51:30Speaker 3: That was that was a bit rough. So hopefully moving
- 51:33Speaker 3: forward we'll at.
- 51:33Speaker 1: Least have one team to cheer for in the World
- 51:35Speaker 1: Cup for I mean guaranteed this time around too, sou
- 51:38Speaker 1: But yeah, guys, Sidia coming up this weekend, enjoy it
- 51:43Speaker 1: some big matches I think I haven't I know. Up,
- 51:48Speaker 1: you know, we had to take your cuss screen. Roma Roman,
- 51:52Speaker 1: You've traveled to Como early morning on Sunday, Florentina, Milan
- 51:58Speaker 1: and Fiorentina, I Tolat too, and then I know there's
- 52:01Speaker 1: games on Monday as well.
- 52:04Speaker 3: That's gonna come across the ticker soon.
- 52:11Speaker 4: And that's it.
- 52:13Speaker 1: Yeah, Monday night, Monday night football in the city. But Adri,
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