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Las Vegas Police Seek Help To Solve Homicide Of Woman Found Dead At Lake Mead · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: So imagine you're driving down the highway near Lake Mead, right?
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's mid-June, and the Mojave Desert is just radiating that intense,
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  Speaker 1: shimmering heat. I mean, we're talking like 110, maybe 115 degrees. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Brutal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. The asphalt feels like it's literally melting under
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  Speaker 1: your tires. You're blasting the AC. Maybe you're arguing with
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  Speaker 1: your kids about the music. Or, you know, just zoning out,
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  Speaker 1: watching the white lines blur past.
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  Speaker 2: She's trying to get through the drive.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And you pass a car awkwardly pulled over on
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  Speaker 1: the shoulder near a mile marker. Someone is standing near
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  Speaker 1: the open trunk. Right. But you barely even register it. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You just assume it's, I don't know, a flat tire
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  Speaker 1: or maybe an overheated radiator. So you keep driving. You
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  Speaker 1: have absolutely no idea that in that fleeting like five
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  Speaker 1: second window, you just became the sole witness to the
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  Speaker 1: disposal of a homicide victim.
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  Speaker 2: Man, it is just terrifying when you break it down
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: It really is.
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  Speaker 2: Because, I mean, the vast majority of our daily commutes
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  Speaker 2: are spent in this state of partial amnesia.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We filter out like 99 percent of our environment just
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  Speaker 2: to function.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Just to get from point A to point B. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. And yet the entire criminal justice system, especially in
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  Speaker 2: those really critical early days of a homicide investigation, it
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  Speaker 2: often hinges entirely on someone's ability to retroactively pierce through
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  Speaker 2: that amnesia to retrieve this single mundane detail.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that fragility of memory is basically the beating
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  Speaker 1: heart of today's deep dive. So welcome, everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Glad to be here.
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  Speaker 1: We are looking at this single seemingly brief local news
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  Speaker 1: article from Las Vegas. It was published by FOX5 Las Vegas,
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  Speaker 1: written by Brittany Dufran, and this was on August 26, 2026.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, late August.
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  Speaker 1: And if you just glance at it, it's really just
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  Speaker 1: a few paragraphs. It looks like a standard police plea.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a woman was found dead. The police need tips.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty standard at first glance.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I promise you, by reading between the lines
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  Speaker 1: here and by looking at the bizarre, just chaotic time
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  Speaker 1: capsule of the other news headlines that are crowding this
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  Speaker 1: very same web page, We are going to uncover an
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  Speaker 1: absolute labyrinth of forensic challenges. OK, let's unpack this. We
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  Speaker 1: need to start with the inciting incident just to get
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  Speaker 1: our bearings. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So the foundational data points here are incredibly sparse.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: On July 1st, 2026, authorities responded to the Lake Mead
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  Speaker 2: National Recreation Area. They located a deceased female. She was
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  Speaker 2: 53 years old and her name was Karima Bay.
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  Speaker 1: OK.
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  Speaker 2: And the medical examiner quickly determined it was a homicide.
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  Speaker 1: But right away, I mean, the math just doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: sense to me. And this is where we move into
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  Speaker 1: the anatomy of this massive timeline gap.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a huge gap.
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  Speaker 1: Because finding someone on July 1 is one thing. But
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  Speaker 1: this article, this public plea for help that we're looking at,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't hit the Internet until August 26. That is
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  Speaker 1: nearly two full months of silence.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, time is the ultimate solvent in a
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  Speaker 2: criminal investigation. It just erodes everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is this specific timeline the Clark County
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  Speaker 2: Coroner's Office actually had to establish. just to get to
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  Speaker 2: the point of writing this press release.
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  Speaker 1: Right, just to put out those three paragraphs.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The article notes they estimate she was murdered and
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  Speaker 2: dumped in mid to late June.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That means by the time she was discovered on July 1st,
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  Speaker 2: she had been out in the Elminans for roughly two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: And I really have to pause on that two-week window because, frankly,
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  Speaker 1: it just bobbles my mind.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: We are talking about the Mojave Desert in late June.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, at the very top of this FOX5 webpage...
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  Speaker 1: There's literally a bright red banner warning that says, let
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  Speaker 1: me read it, extreme heat warning in effect. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 1: We all know what that heat does to a living
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  Speaker 1: person in just a few hours. Right. What is actually happening,
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  Speaker 1: mechanically speaking, to forensic evidence on a body that's left
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  Speaker 1: in those conditions for 14 days?
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  Speaker 2: It is a complete forensic nightmare. I mean, when a
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  Speaker 2: body is exposed to a high heat arid environment like
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  Speaker 2: the Las Vegas desert, you aren't just dealing with standard decomposition.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what are you dealing with then?
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  Speaker 2: You're dealing with accelerated cellular breakdown and rapid desiccation. The
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  Speaker 2: heat acts as a catalyst for autolysis.
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  Speaker 1: Autolysis.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is where the body's own enzymes essentially digest itself.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Yikes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But simultaneously, because the humidity is so incredibly low
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  Speaker 2: out there, the extreme solar radiation rapidly draws moisture out
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  Speaker 2: of the tissue.
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  Speaker 1: So you're getting like a mummification effect.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. It's a localized mummification that hardens the exterior tissues. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, while that might sound like it preserves things,
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  Speaker 2: it actually creates this hardened shell that makes determining the
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  Speaker 2: precise cause of death, like identifying a specific type of
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  Speaker 2: puncture wound or localized blunt force trauma, just incredibly difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Because the skin changes shape.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The tissue retracts and distorts completely.
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  Speaker 1: OK, but what about trace evidence, like the stuff we
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  Speaker 1: see on every single procedural cop show on TV? You know, DNA, fingerprints,
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  Speaker 1: fibers from the killer's car.
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  Speaker 2: Decimated. It's entirely decimated. UV radiation is highly effective at
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  Speaker 2: breaking down the molecular bonds in DNA.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Just sunlight? Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Specifically, it causes these things called thymine dimers, which are
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  Speaker 2: basically lesions in the DNA strand that prevent standard forensic
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  Speaker 2: amplification techniques like PCR from working properly.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So if the perpetrator left sweat or skin cells on
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  Speaker 2: the victim, two weeks of direct Mojave sunlight will literally
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  Speaker 2: shatter those DNA strands into useless fragments.
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  Speaker 1: That is wild.
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  Speaker 2: And furthermore, the desert is a very active ecosystem, scavenging
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  Speaker 2: wildlife and insect activity blowflies. Specifically, they colonize the area
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  Speaker 2: within hours.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, right. So when the coroner says she died in
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  Speaker 1: mid to late June, they aren't looking at a watch
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  Speaker 1: or a security camera. They're basically reading the life cycle
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  Speaker 1: of maggots and checking ambient temperature records.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. They are relying heavily on forensic entomology. They look
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  Speaker 2: at the instar stages of the insect larvae present on
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  Speaker 2: the remains and And then they cross-referenced that with historical
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  Speaker 2: weather data.
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  Speaker 1: To figure out how fast they were growing. Right.
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  Speaker 2: They calculate the accumulated degree days and work backward to
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  Speaker 2: find a rough window of when those insects first had
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  Speaker 2: access to the remains.
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  Speaker 1: That is just intense.
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  Speaker 2: It is. That exhaustive, deeply complex biological math is exactly
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  Speaker 2: why it took from July 1st to late August just
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  Speaker 2: to confirm her identity, establish a cause of death, and
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  Speaker 2: finally generate a two-week window to give to the public.
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  Speaker 1: Which honestly brings me to a massive point of contention
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  Speaker 1: I have with this whole police strategy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, how so?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the article states investigators are urging anyone visiting Lake
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  Speaker 1: Mead in mid to late June to come forward. Are
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  Speaker 1: we serious?
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  Speaker 2: It's a big ask.
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  Speaker 1: It's a huge ask. I mean, I can barely remember
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  Speaker 1: what I had for breakfast on a random Tuesday two
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  Speaker 1: months ago, let alone the Macon model of some random
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  Speaker 1: car parked on the side of a highway.
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  Speaker 2: That's very true.
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  Speaker 1: There's that thing, the Ebbinghaus forgetting curve, right? It tells
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  Speaker 1: us we lose like 70% of new information within 24 hours.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Our brains just dump it.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. So two months later, human memory isn't just degraded.
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  Speaker 1: It's actively fabricated by our brains trying to fill in
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  Speaker 1: the gaps. I mean, it's like trying to remember the
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  Speaker 1: exact make of a car that passed you on a
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  Speaker 1: random Tuesday two months ago. It's impossible.
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  Speaker 2: You are entirely correct about the unreliability of retroactive recall.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, no argument there. But you have to view
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  Speaker 2: this from the detective's perspective for a second. Okay. Lay
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  Speaker 2: it on me. When the physical evidence is literally destroyed
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  Speaker 2: by the sun and the biological evidence is consumed by
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  Speaker 2: the environment, what other tool do they have?
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  Speaker 1: Just not much. Right.
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  Speaker 2: They're operating in a severe deficit. They have to cast
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  Speaker 2: an impossibly wide net just hoping that for one specific person,
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  Speaker 2: the anomaly they saw was bizarre enough to bypass that
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  Speaker 2: short-term memory filter and lodge itself into long-term recall.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, fair point. So if the timeline is a complete blur,
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  Speaker 1: the detectives have to pivot. They have to rely on
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  Speaker 1: where she was before she ended up out in the desert.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the geography of this case. The
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  Speaker 1: crazy contrast between the urban grid where Karima lived and
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  Speaker 1: the desolate wilderness where she was found.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the geographical puzzle is arguably the most revealing aspect
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  Speaker 2: of this entire investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Walk us through it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the article provides a specific profile for her. Karima
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  Speaker 2: Bay was 53. and she was experiencing homelessness. She was
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  Speaker 2: known to frequent the intersection of Belmont Street and Cary
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  Speaker 2: Avenue in North Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And she was last seen a little further east of
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  Speaker 2: there on the 3100 block of Thomas Avenue.
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  Speaker 1: Now, tracing the movements of an unhoused individual, that has
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  Speaker 1: to completely upend standard investigative procedure, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, 100%.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if I go missing, the police can pull
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  Speaker 1: my cell phone pings, my credit card swipes, my Wi-Fi
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  Speaker 1: auto connects. I leave a huge digital breadcrumb trail everywhere
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  Speaker 1: I go.
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  Speaker 2: We all do. The entire modern investigative apparatus is built
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  Speaker 2: on the assumption of a digital footprint.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: When you pull up a map on your phone, you
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  Speaker 2: are participating in a localized grid of surveillance. Your device's
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  Speaker 2: MSC address is pinging routers. Ring cameras on houses are
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  Speaker 2: logging your vehicle as you drive by. Toll transponders are
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  Speaker 2: recording your highway access.
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  Speaker 1: It's constant.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. But when an individual is unhoused, they
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  Speaker 2: often fall completely off that digital grid.
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  Speaker 1: Because they have no fixed address for mail or maybe
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  Speaker 1: just a prepaid cell phone that runs out of minutes
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  Speaker 1: or loses charge. There's no daily swipe of a badge
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  Speaker 1: at a corporate office.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. So how did detectives reestablish that timeline without any
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  Speaker 2: of that data?
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  Speaker 1: They have to go old school.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they're forced to revert to purely analog methods of policing.
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  Speaker 2: It requires physical canvassing in transient environments. They literally have
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  Speaker 2: to map out the social ecology of the unhoused community
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  Speaker 2: in North Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: Which is incredibly labor intensive. You can't just send a
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  Speaker 1: subpoena to Verizon and sit at your desk. No, not
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  Speaker 1: at all. You have to put boots on the ground
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  Speaker 1: at Belmont and Cary. You have to find the people
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  Speaker 1: who actually live in those encampments, who frequent those encampments.
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  Speaker 1: specific intersections, and you have to get them to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you.
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  Speaker 2: And building that rapport is immensely difficult. Vulnerable populations often
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  Speaker 2: have a deeply ingrained systemic distrust of law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, for obvious reasons. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Interactions with police in those communities frequently revolve around displacement
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  Speaker 2: and Citations or arrests, not protection. So for a detective
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  Speaker 2: to walk into that environment and successfully extract a verified,
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  Speaker 2: last-known location, specifically pinpointing her to the 3100 block of
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  Speaker 2: Thomas Avenue, that is a massive testament to intensive, grueling footwork.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, but I think it also speaks volumes about
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  Speaker 1: Karima herself.
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  Speaker 2: How so?
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  Speaker 1: The fact that police did pinpoint that block means she
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  Speaker 1: was known. She was a fixture there. People noticed when
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  Speaker 1: she was around and they noticed when she went missing.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good point.
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  Speaker 1: It strips away this terrible societal habit we have of
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  Speaker 1: treating the unhoused population as just an invisible monolith. She
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  Speaker 1: had a community. She was a person people knew.
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  Speaker 2: That is a vital insight. The unhoused community operates with
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  Speaker 2: its own intricate social networks, its own localized economies, and
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  Speaker 2: its own watchful eyes. Someone on Thomas Avenue remembered her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But that brings us back to the chilling geographic contrast
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned earlier. Right.
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  Speaker 1: From the city to the lake. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: She is last seen deep in the dense urban grid
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  Speaker 2: of North Las Vegas. But her remains are discovered miles away,
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  Speaker 2: out in the vast, empty expanse of the Lake Mead
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  Speaker 2: National Recreation Area.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And that is not a casual walk. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you don't just wander from Thomas Avenue all the way
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  Speaker 1: out to the lake. The logistics of that movement completely
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  Speaker 1: changed the profile of the crime.
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  Speaker 2: It introduces a highly complex transit phase. Moving a victim
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  Speaker 2: from the city limits to a national recreation area implies
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  Speaker 2: the perpetrator had access to a vehicle, obviously. But they
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  Speaker 2: also possessed a spatial awareness of the routes out of
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  Speaker 2: the city. And most importantly, they engaged in a calculated,
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  Speaker 2: deliberate effort to conceal the crime.
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  Speaker 1: Right. This wasn't an accident.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. This wasn't a crime of sudden panic where the
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  Speaker 2: offender just drops the weapon and flees the immediate scene.
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  Speaker 1: No, they took the time to load a victim, drive
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  Speaker 1: through the city grid, navigate the highway, and find a
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  Speaker 1: specific disposal site, which honestly seems like an incredibly risky
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  Speaker 1: maneuver to me. I mean, you're driving a mobile crime
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  Speaker 1: scene through one of the most heavily policed cities in America.
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  Speaker 2: It is a massive risk, which leads us directly to
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  Speaker 2: the needle in the haystack of this whole case, the
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  Speaker 2: specific location they chose to dump the body.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, mile marker 15. The police in this article are
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  Speaker 1: aggressively specific about this. They aren't just asking if anyone
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  Speaker 1: saw something weird at the lake generally?
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  Speaker 2: No, they are dialed in.
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  Speaker 1: Very. They want to know if anyone saw suspicious activity
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  Speaker 1: specifically near mile marker 15.
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  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture of forensic
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  Speaker 2: geographic profiling, the choice of a disposal site is basically
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  Speaker 2: a window into the offender's psychology.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Why did they choose that specific mile marker?
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  Speaker 2: When an offender transports a victim out into the desert,
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  Speaker 2: the primary drive is maximum concealment.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Out of sight, out of mind.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. They want the sheer scale of the landscape to
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  Speaker 2: swallow the evidence. They want the heat and the scavengers,
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  Speaker 2: which we discussed earlier, to act as their accomplices and
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  Speaker 2: erase the crime.
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  Speaker 1: But here's where I get hung up on the logic
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  Speaker 1: of that, though. It's a paradox.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because to access that vast, isolated wilderness, you have to
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  Speaker 1: use a highly concentrated piece of public infrastructure.
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  Speaker 2: Right. You have to use the road.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Lake Mead is sprawling, sure, but you can only
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  Speaker 1: get a car in and out through very specific single-lane
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  Speaker 1: highway entry points. So you are funneling yourself into a
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  Speaker 1: highly trafficked tourist corridor.
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  Speaker 2: That's the vulnerability.
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  Speaker 1: Right. In mid-June, you've got people hauling boats, massive RVs
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  Speaker 1: lumbering down the road. You've got park rangers running patrols.
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  Speaker 1: It's not exactly deserted.
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  Speaker 2: You're spot on. The offender chose geographical isolation. But they
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  Speaker 2: practically guaranteed their own exposure to a captive audience of
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  Speaker 2: motorists in the process. Ma Marker 15 is a precise,
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  Speaker 2: immutable data point on that highway.
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  Speaker 1: So the police know exactly where this happened.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It tells us the police have identified the exact
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  Speaker 2: staging area. They know the shoulder where the vehicle pulled over.
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  Speaker 2: They know the trajectory the offender took from the asphalt
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  Speaker 2: into the brush.
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  Speaker 1: And this brings us back to that desperate plea for
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  Speaker 1: the public's memory. The police explicitly state in the article
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  Speaker 1: even the smallest detail could prove critical. Now, I want
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  Speaker 1: to float a theory here just based on human nature.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it.
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  Speaker 1: Is it possible people actually do remember something, but they
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  Speaker 1: actively talk themselves out of it? Like they convince themselves
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  Speaker 1: they didn't see anything important.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. You are hitting on a very well-documented cognitive bias.
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  Speaker 2: It is a form of inattentional blindness. coupled with the
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  Speaker 2: deep psychological need for normalcy.
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  Speaker 1: The need for normalcy, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We do not want to believe we are adjacent to
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  Speaker 2: a tragedy in our everyday lives.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so if I'm driving my family out to the lake,
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  Speaker 1: and I see a guy struggling to pull a large
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  Speaker 1: heavy tarp out of a trunk at mile marker 15,
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  Speaker 1: my brain doesn't instantly scream, murder!
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  Speaker 2: No, of course not.
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  Speaker 1: My brain says, oh, that guy is illegally dumping construction debris, or,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's just struggling to get his camping gear out.
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  Speaker 2: You rationalize the anomaly. Because acknowledging that you might be
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  Speaker 2: witnessing a felony requires you to disrupt your entire day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Nobody wants to deal with that on a Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It requires you to pull over, call 911, wait
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  Speaker 2: for the authorities to show up, and basically inject yourself
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  Speaker 2: into a potentially dangerous situation. So your brain provides you
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  Speaker 2: with a comfortable, benign narrative to justify just driving right past.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost a defense mechanism. It is.
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  Speaker 2: Furthermore, there's the bystander effect. On a busy highway... Motorists
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  Speaker 2: just assume that if it were truly an emergency, one
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  Speaker 2: of the other 50 cars passing by would handle it.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: It's the assumption that someone else is the protagonist of
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: the situation. Like, I'm just an extra in this scene.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Someone else will make the call.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Precisely. So when the police say even the smallest detail,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: they are trying to dismantle those post-hoc rationalizations. They are
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: practically begging the public to stop filtering their own memory.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: They just want the raw data.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They don't need a cohesive, polished narrative from a witness.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: They need the make of the truck, a partial license plate,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: a description of the guy standing by the trunk, just something. Yes.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: They need a single data point to feed into their
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: investigative matrix just to corroborate the tiny fragment of physical
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: evidence they might have managed to salvage from the desert.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: But getting someone to hand over that data point requires, like,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: an astronomical alignment of luck. I mean, think about it.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: The witness has to somehow stumble across this specific FOX5
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: news article two months later. recognize the relevance of their fleeting,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: weird memory, and take the initiative to actually call it in.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: It's a tall order.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: It really is. And here's where it gets really interesting.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Because to understand the gravity of that challenge, we can't
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: just look at Karima's story in a vacuum. We have
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: to look at the environment this article was dropped into.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: We have to zoom out and look at the surrounding
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: noise of Las Vegas on August 26, 2026.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: The webpage itself acts as this incredible sociological artifact.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: It is entirely a time capsule. When you look at
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: this source material, Karama's tragedy is literally sandwiched between the
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: most absurd, high-octane headlines imaginable. The disparity of attention and
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: resources on this single page is just staggering.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: It really is quite jarring to read.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Let's just read some of the headlines crowding this page.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Well, the most glaring juxtaposition is sitting right next to
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Karama's article. The headline reads, Tupac Murder Trial, Prosecution Rests,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Defense witnesses to take the stand Thursday.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: It's just mind blowing. We are talking about the murder
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: of Tupac Shakur, an event that occurred in 1996, literally
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: 30 years prior to this Web page being published.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: 30 years.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It is a historical ghost story, essentially, but it's
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: commanding global media attention, immense judicial bandwidth and front page
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: real estate on this site. And right next to it,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: you have Karema Bey, whose murder is fresh, whose killer
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: is actively walking the streets, and she is just fighting
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: for an ounce of that spotlight.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: It perfectly illustrates the attention economy within the criminal justice system.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: High-profile cases, especially those saturated with celebrity, historical lore, or
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: massive public fascination, they operate like black holes.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: They just suck in all the light.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They consume a disproportionate amount of a city's investigative, legal,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and media resources. The Tupac trial isn't just a news story.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: It is a logistical leviathan for the Las Vegas court
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: system and the police department managing the security and the
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: whole media circus.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: And the hits keep coming on this page, too. If
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: you scroll down, you have the debut of the Kyle
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Busch classic at the Las Vegas Motor Speedway. Right.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Massive event.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: So you have a huge NASCAR weekend. You've got hundreds
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: of thousands of tourists flooding the city, requiring traffic control,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: crowd management, specialized security task forces.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: And concurrently on the same page. There is a headline
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: detailing a fatality at Burning Man, with the victim being
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: transported to a Reno hospital. Wow. That represents yet another
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: massive deployment of state and local public safety resources to
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: manage an event in the desert.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, and don't forget, it's Labor Day weekend. Another headline
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: highlights dozens of arrests for DUI and multiple firearms seized
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: in a specialized holiday police initiative. And just to top
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: off the pure Vegas surrealism of it all, There's a
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: corporate announcement right there on the page that Toshiba Plaza
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: on the Strip is being rebranded as Paramount plus Plaza.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Sensory overload. Now step into the shoes of the Las
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Vegas Metropolitan Police Department commander for a second. Look at
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: that board.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I would be so stressed out.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: You are simultaneously managing. a globally scrutinized historical murder trial,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: deploying task forces for holiday weekend crime surges, coordinating logistics
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: for a lethal incident at a counterculture festival, and locking
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: down the city for a massive NASCAR event. The strain
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: on institutional bandwidth is just astronomical.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: And somewhere deep inside that sprawling, overwhelmed apparatus, a small
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: team of homicide detectives is sitting at their desks, drafting
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: an email to a local news station, desperately hoping someone
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: remembers a parked car at mile marker 15 before Karima's
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: case goes entirely cold.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: It feels almost impossible.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: It really does. A 53-year-old unhoused woman doesn't have a
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: PR firm. She doesn't have a streaming service paying millions
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: for naming rights to her tragedy. No.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: She relies entirely on the fading echo of a localized
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: press release. Which, honestly, brings us to a critical tension
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: embedded in these very same headlines. A tension that directly
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: impacts how cases like this are investigated when human memory fails.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I want you to look at the articles discussing the
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: flock cameras on that page. Ah, yes.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I see them here. Let me read these real quick.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: One says, CCSD police chief holds use of flock cameras
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: until end of review. And further down, another one reads,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Nevada lawmaker proposes flock ban as more leaders weigh in.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: We should probably define this for the audience. What exactly
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: is a flock camera?
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Flock cameras are a specific brand of automated license plate readers,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: or ALPRs. But they are vastly more sophisticated than the
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: old red light cameras people might be used to.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: How so?
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: These are solar-powered, motion-activated units deployed on city streets and intersections.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: They use advanced optical character recognition powered by machine learning.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: So they don't just snap a blurry photo of a
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: plate as you speed by?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: No, not at all. The algorithm factors in ambient light,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: vehicle make, model, color, and even distinct features like roof
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: racks or bumper stickers.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. That's incredibly detailed.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: It captures the plate, digitizes the text, and instantly cross-references
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: it against national crime databases like the NCIC and local
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: hot lists. They can process thousands of vehicles an hour,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: creating a searchable, time-stamped, geographic database of vehicular movement across
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: a whole city.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me put my detective hat on for a
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: second here. If I'm the investigator trying to solve Karama
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Bay's murder, a citywide grid of flock cameras is basically
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the Holy Grail.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Because I know she was last seen near Thomas Avenue.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I know she was dumped at mile marker 15 at
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Lake Mead. If I have cameras logging plates, I can
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: theoretically run a query for any vehicle that registered near
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: her known neighborhood and then subsequently pinged a camera on
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the highway corridor leading to the lake during that mid-June window.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Exactly. You could use the data to instantly bridge that
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: geographic gap we discussed earlier.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: That's huge.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: It allows you to circumvent the degraded physical evidence and
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the extreme unreliability of human memory. The algorithm doesn't suffer
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: from the Ebbinghaus forgetting curve. It doesn't rationalize away anomalies
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: because it's afraid to get involved. It just provides a
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: digital log of who moved from point A to point B.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: It sounds like an airtight solution to the exact problem
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: we've been outlining for the past 40 minutes. But then
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: we look at the headlines again. The society these cameras
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: are designed to protect is actively rebelling against them. A
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: police chief is suspending their use and state lawmakers are
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: trying to ban them outright. Let me play a doubles
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: advocate here, though. I understand the detective just wants to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: solve a murder, but the implementation of an unblinking automated
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: dragnet across an entire city, I mean, that is a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: massive Fourth Amendment issue.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And that is the exact crux of the debate. The
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: pushback is rooted in profound civil liberties concerns. The argument
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: against flock cameras is they constitute a form of mass
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: surveillance without probable cause. Critics argue that by logging the
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: movements of every single citizen, not just suspected criminals, the
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: state is basically creating a centralized database of our daily lives.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it logs my trip to the grocery store, my
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: commute to work, but also my visits to a political protest,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: a specialized medical clinic or a place of worship. The
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: potential for abuse or honestly, even just the chilling effect
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: on free movement is significant.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: It is a fundamental philosophical collision. On one side, you
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: have the investigative utility, the ability to rapidly identify perpetrators
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: in violent crimes, Amber Alerts and homicides, potentially providing justice
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: for vulnerable victims like Karima Bay.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Right. Which is vital.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: And on the other side, you have the public's right
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: to privacy and anonymity. Our goal today isn't to declare
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: a winner in this debate, but to highlight that this
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: massive societal tension exists on the exact same news page
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: as a plea for a murdered woman.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: It's a perfect storm. The detectives don't have forensic evidence
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: because of the desert heat. They don't have digital footprint
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: data because she was unhoused. And they don't have automated
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: surveillance data because of the ongoing legislative battle over privacy.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: So what is left? The mechanics of justice are forced
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to revert to the absolute oldest, most fragile system we have.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Human cooperation. They have to ask the community for help.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the actual call to action in
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the article. Because despite the noise of the NASCAR races,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the Tupac trial, and the legislative fights, the police do
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: outline exactly how a citizen can come forward. And they
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: provide very specific avenues to do so.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, the architecture of that public plea is highly intentional.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: They give the standard direct line to the LVMPD Homicide Section, 702-828-3521.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: They provide a direct email, homicide at lvmpd.com. But the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: crucial part, the final sentence that carries the most weight
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: in the whole thing, states, to remain anonymous, tips can
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: be submitted to Crime Stoppers of Nevada.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: This raises an important question regarding the mechanics of anonymity
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: and why it is so heavily emphasized here, particularly in
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: cases involving marginalized populations. We established earlier that Karayama frequented
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: the Belmont and Cary intersections. This implies that detectives are
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: heavily relying on tips from within that specific localized community.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: A community where, as we discussed, talking to the police
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: can carry immense social or physical risk. I mean, snitches
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: get stitches isn't just a movie trope. It's a very
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: real survival dynamic in street-level economies.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Precisely. If the perpetrator resides within that same community, or
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: if they hold a position of power or intimidation within
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: that transient network, cooperating with a homicide detective openly is
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: a massive liability.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: A death sentence, potentially.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: It could be. If you call the direct homicide line,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: your phone number is logged. If you email, your IP
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: address and metadata are recorded. Even if the police promise confidentiality,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: the fear of discovery is totally paralyzing.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Which is exactly where Crime Stoppers comes in. I think
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: people fundamentally misunderstand how Crime Stoppers work.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: They definitely do.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: They think it's just like a different desk at the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: police station. But it's actually an entirely separate, civilian-run, nonprofit organization, right?
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Correct. And that separation is critical to its function. Think
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: of Crimestoppers as a digital and administrative firewall. When you
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: submit a tip through their specialized phone lines or their
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: encrypted web portals, the software acts almost like a VPN proxy.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it anonymizes the data. Yes.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: It strips through your phone number, your IP address, and
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: all identifying metadata completely.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: So the data packet gets scrubbed, the police get the payload,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you know, the who, what, when, and where of the crime.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: But the from whom... is completely annihilated before it ever
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: reaches a detective's desk.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The police literally cannot find out who submitted the tip,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: even if they desperately wanted to, because Crimestoppers doesn't retain
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: the records. They assign the tipster a randomized code for
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: the purpose of claiming a financial reward later, and that's it.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: That is brilliant.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: It is. This airtight systemic anonymity is often the absolute
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: only bridge of communication that a terrified witness is willing
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: to cross.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Because it allows someone living on the margins, someone who
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: might have actually seen Kuriam get into a specific vehicle
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: on Thomas Avenue, to hand over that missing glue puzzle
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: piece without stepping into the spotlight or jeopardizing their own life.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: It is incredible to think about the technological and sociological
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: infrastructure required just to make someone feel safe enough to
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: send a text message.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: It highlights the sheer friction of the investigative process. Every
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: single step we've talked about, from fighting the Mojave heat
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to navigating the attention economy of Las Vegas, to building
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: a literal firewall to protect a terrified informant is an
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: uphill battle against entropy.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And it really reframes how we consume news, doesn't it?
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: We look at a three-paragraph article about a body found
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: at a lake and we consume it in five seconds
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: while waiting in line for coffee. But beneath those few
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: words is a sprawling, agonizing human drama. It is a
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: masterclass in the invisible labor of justice. The investigation into
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Karama Bey's death forces us to confront the fact that
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: solving a murder isn't just about pulling a fingerprint off
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: a steering wheel. It is an intricate synthesis of biology, geography,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: public policy, and localized sociology.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: It is a reminder that every victim, regardless of their
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: housing status or their public profile, leaves a void. And
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: mapping the edges of that void requires an immense, coordinated
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: effort to fight back against the silence.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: And ultimately, it relies on the community's willingness to notice itself.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: A city is only as safe as the willingness of
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: its citizens to observe and engage with their environment.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Exactly. So to you, listening to this right now, I
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: want to leave you with a final thought to mull over.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: We live our lives rushing from point A to point B,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: filtering out the noise.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Cool. bleached mile marker or next time you walk past
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: a familiar crowded intersection in your city remember that to
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: most of us it is just pavement and noise but
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to a desperate detective and to a grieving family waiting
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: for answers it might be the exact location of the
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: final missing puzzle piece of a human life how many
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: quiet mysteries how many vital clues are hiding in plain
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: sight in your own city just waiting for someone to
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: finally break their routine and pay attention