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Ep.290: Midlands STA Conference Preview – with Mike Grice & Kieran McMahon · The STA Clinician Podcast

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You're listening to the STA Clinician Podcast, connecting clinicians across healthcare.
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Formerly known as the sports therapy association podcast i'm your host matt
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phillips and as always this episode is being recorded live on the sports therapy
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association youtube channel
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and facebook page at eight o'clock uk time on wednesday i know i sound like
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barry white but that's just a bit of man flu it is matt here in case you listen
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to the podcast and you think it's the wrong one,
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but i'm gonna make it gary benson has handed me a can of man up,
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and i've downed that and we should be okay for the hour anyway in this episode
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we'll be taking a look ahead at the Midlands Sports Therapy Association Conference
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happening on Saturday the 20th of June, so just in a few days' time,
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in Ludlow Assembly Rooms.
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Joining me very shortly will be conference organiser Mike Grice from Movement
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Therapy Education and performance sports physio Kieran McMahon.
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And together, they'll be giving us an exclusive preview of what's in store,
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including insights from a fantastic speaker lineup, including Mike James,
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endurance physio, Tristan Attenborough, Carol Seaborn, Rosie Sexton, and more.
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Before I bring them up, I have to give a big thank you, as always,
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to my guests in last week in episode 289, which was entitled Accreditation,
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Employability, and the Future of Sports Therapy.
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I was joined by two expert voices from PD Approval, which is an international
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independent accrediting organization specializing in the health and fitness sector.
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And those two wonderful people were Tom Bell, founder and CEO of PD Approval,
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and Jolanda Green, who is the qualifications developer and manager.
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Also present for that show was Gary Benson, founder of the Sports Therapy Association.
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And together they unpacked the importance of quality assurance,
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industry standards, professional recognition, and discussed how education providers
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and practitioners can better position themselves.
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I always say it's a great episode. Technical maybe, but technical necessary
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because there is so many problems over quality assurance and industry standards.
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It's probably the bane of our industry with all the short online courses out
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there which teach you in a day how to save someone's life. It's not great.
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And yeah, it's, but there is hope and there are things which we can all do and
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how we can advise maybe younger therapists, less experienced therapists on how
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not to make mistakes and waste money.
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So yes, pass that episode on to anyone you think would be valuable.
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It's available as always on all popular podcast apps and the YouTube channel
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for Sports Therapy Association.
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Right then, let's get back to tonight's episode, Midlands STA Conference Preview
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with my special guests, Mike Grice and Kieran McMahon.
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Evening gents kieran how's my pronunciation i've been making up absolutely spot
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on seriously absolutely spot on yeah kieran mcmahon because in my head i go kieran mcmahon
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and i kind of change it but kieran mcmahon if i head north of the border it
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changes slightly but for for an english pronunciation well that's that's as good as it can be,
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oh is that a hidden insult there no no it's been called all sorts under the
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sun so kieran mcmahon is is that's my english name,
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that's it i'm pleased mike easy easy easy right good to see you both mike you've
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been on the show before kieran first time so thank you very much for both of
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you for giving up your time.
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Let's um let's just see if we have got people in the room just i always forget
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about our live listeners if you have joined us live then,
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use this time to ask our guests some questions so for example we have got sir
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glenn murphy mbe who says hello and good evening all hi sir glenn how are you.
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Thank you for joining us.
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We've also got Angela Taste Sports Therapy, says hi everybody.
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And also who else is coming? Gary Benson, Talk to the Devil,
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is here as well, founder of the SDA, and other people coming through into our live lounge.
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If you're listening to the podcast and you do want to join live,
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then like I say, eight o'clock on a Tuesday, Facebook or YouTube,
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and you can join us and hang out with other people and talk to our guests directly.
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So there we go. Right then. So four days. How are you feeling, Mike?
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Uh, it's all, it's all coming together beautifully. Oh, what a swan.
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What a swan. I don't see your legs underneath your webcam. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's funny. My wife said the other day, she said, are you nervous about
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Saturday? And I was like, do you know what? I haven't even had time to think about being nervous.
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We'll see on Friday night. Yeah. People, people, and nor should they,
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but people don't realize any of the work that goes into putting on any size conference.
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It doesn't matter. You'd think if it was like, however, 50 people or something,
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then it would be less work. But no, I think it's just about the same amount of work.
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Yeah, exactly the same amount of work. Yeah, definitely.
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Well, well done. We're very excited. Before we get into the content,
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for people who aren't aware of either of you, then maybe you could give our
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listeners a little summary of your backgrounds, what you do on a day-to-day
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basis, where you're on the country, that sort of thing.
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So, Mike, would you like to start? Sure. Yeah.
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I started off in the fitness industry in the 90s. And I then did a leisure management degree.
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And part of that degree, I was working in a health club chain.
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And I had a year out basically like a sandwich year in the first year of uni.
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And just fell in love with working in the gyms and training and all that kind
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of stuff. And I had a really good company that put me on loads of training courses as well.
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And then that kind of steered me into running health clubs.
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And I did that for a bit. And that's how I met the guest from last week, Yolanda.
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And she was talking about the good old LA Fitness days. So I was a regional
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trainer with Yolanda in the early 2000s.
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And we were writing courses for all of the staff at LA Fitness.
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And that's where I was saying about it today, actually, that she really shaped
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my knowledge about how to put courses together.
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And I still use the stuff that we did back then even now so uh so thank you
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Yolanda for that and yeah then I.
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I worked for a college taught gym instructor PT courses at a local college in Birmingham,
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and they wanted me to then deliver a sports massage courses so I became a sports
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massage therapist and then my tutor or one of the tutors on that course was
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an osteopath and he was he was really good.
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So I thought, I fancy doing that. So I did osteopathy degree.
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And that was about 15, 16 years ago, something like that.
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So yeah, I then opened up a clinic alongside my teaching.
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And that's where I met Kieran. Kieran came across to work at the clinic in Birmingham
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just before the world collapsed in COVID.
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So, but yeah, I used to work on gym floor quite a bit with Kieran and again,
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learned loads from him whilst just watching him work with his clients.
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So yeah, I've just been trying to develop my courses and make them the best
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that they can be. And yeah, that's me in a nutshell.
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Fantastic in a nutshell. So I guess that's where kind of movement therapy education
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must come from a lot of your time on the gym floor and just helping people move
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better. Yeah, definitely.
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Yeah, definitely. It's weird because I thought that massage was the missing
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link when I did the fitness stuff.
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And then when I did the massage stuff, I realized that they just,
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they go hand in hand together.
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So, and now I still work clinically a couple of days a week.
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Most of my time is on gym floor. So I'm doing what I did 20 odd years ago,
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but hopefully knowing a little bit more than I did back then.
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I'm probably getting paid the same. Yeah.
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Yeah. it's very similar for me funnily enough i did work in one la fitness once in warwick gates,
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oh i know that one yeah yeah university i worked there personal training for a while,
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but then i ended up in david lloyd but it was the same for me i was in david
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lloyd doing strength and conditioning personal training and my brother was downstairs
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doing the sports therapy and they kind of called us they called us both bend
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him and mend him because we kind of you know.
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And eventually i was the same i was like putting people to their paces and strengthening
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them and then people were kind of near time out and wanting some hands on stuff
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and i was like i wish i could do some handsome stuff so i did hands and stuff
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and went my way up to level five but like you say,
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you look at the grass as green and then you realize there's no one thing that
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suits everybody's there it's just shows you that everything you do will have
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a place that's why it's a dangerous these people say i'm the eternal student
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because everything you do you'll find a place for eventually you gotta think i got this,
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so yeah very similar paths and i believe you frequented canber sands and things
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like that fit pro and kind of oh god yeah yeah i did yeah and uh when it was
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at love we must have done yeah done doing some body pump or body combat class
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or something yeah yeah even before yeah,
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yeah i learned i started on body combat four i think that was my one when i talked yeah,
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years ago anyway right thank you for that it's really nice to get an idea that's
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such an extensive history it's so thrilling to have someone from that background
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organizing a conference because you really have got such a vast experience in
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so in the area so it's really cool,
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kieran you got you got a tough match to follow there man.
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In short, Michael's my landlord, but that's easy. We'll just keep that as a
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history. Thank you very much. Well, anyway, so what was it?
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I'm from Birmingham originally and studied in Birmingham, physio degree in 2011,
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and then moved into private MSK clinics.
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I had a hunch I'd like to work in sport, but was still enjoying myself.
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I think still pretending I was still a student.
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And then I think around 2014, something clicked within physio and it made me
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feel like I was ready to get stuck in and that sports was the path for me.
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So I started off part-time sport whilst working in a private MSTA clinic,
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but also delivering occupational health services to local councils.
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And then, so I started off in rugby league. I was living in Leeds at the time,
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so I started off in rugby league, moved back down to Birmingham and ended up
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working at the Warriors for a little while.
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Also in the David Lloyd, quite easily next door to the stadium,
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there's six ways so it's really easy to go from job to job and then sort of
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figured out maybe I'd like to stick around in sport a bit more moved into netball,
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it was still part-time at that point they're delivering occupational health
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services to the likes of Amazon Jaguar Land Rover going on to factory floors
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for things like JCB so really sort of varied and diverse,
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and then as Michael alluded to the world imploded and at that point as we moved
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into lockdown I was essentially out of job.
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So it wasn't for a load. I just had zero work. The sport had dried up, everything had gone.
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So that's when I started up Informed Physio, which obviously was remote to begin with.
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It was my own little personal private venture and then reached out to Mike through
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a mutual connection in college and then just started from there.
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So I was with Movement Therapy Clinic for about three years in total.
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And it was always, you know, it was my happy place. I think,
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you know, Mike's facility is incredible.
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It is like the TARDIS from Doctor Who.
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The amount of equipment he manages to get into that room is better than a lot
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of high performance units for such small square footage.
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So that was my happy place to go and I could rehab people almost without a care
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for resource because I knew it was there.
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And I could rehab or treat in a way that I thought was appropriate.
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Sometimes where you've been in other environments you might not have access
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to the things that you know,
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can make a difference so that was a real privilege but obviously as the world
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got back on its feet I moved into private neurological rehab,
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I think I was still working for the LTA covering tournaments for tennis I was
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at Edgbaston with the women's team for cricket,
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and then eventually decided I wanted to take the plunge and go all in and move
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into full-time sport so alongside to spells with england netball and a couple
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of trips internationally moved into archery through the uk sports institute and then,
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went on to cover two games with the european games in 23 and then harris in 24.
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So a really varied mix uh and then as of last year i put up in on being an active
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physio just needed a bit of a chance to catch my breath and decided to look
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for something else in the interim.
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So I'm now Senior Clinical Sales Manager for BTL Medical.
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So we manufacture and sell medtech for rehab and recovery across musculoskeletal,
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sports, and neurological rehab.
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Man did well, didn't he? Pretty diverse, Mike. Yeah, yeah.
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That's really exciting. I'm listening and it really is kind of a celebration
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of multidisciplinary care, isn't it?
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Because you've got massage, osteopathy, you've got physiotherapy,
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strength and conditioning.
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Yeah, wonderful. And that's just you two. I know other people you work with
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as well that add other areas to as well.
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So yeah, a real shout for multidisciplinary care.
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Fantastic. Which again, makes me really interested in how somebody or people
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with that kind of wide range create a conference because you really have got
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your eyes on everything and we put in here to help someone rather than just
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giving her this or that so,
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very exciting well thank you again for joining us tonight just a reminder if
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you have joined us in the live lounge and feel free to ask questions,
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so we're talking about the sta midlands conference there was one in the south
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back in may wasn't there in dorset and i wondered whether to before we really
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get into the conference What's the kind of.
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Overarching goal of doing these regional conferences around the country?
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I think for me, it's having something that's affordable and close because the
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therapy show as it is now is, I mean, it's a great conference, but it's,
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It can be quite a long way to travel, a few days at a clinic, an overnight stay.
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So I think creating networks in the local regions.
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I mean, I've always been a regional advocate for the STA, for this area.
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But this is the first time I've really been able to do something to help my
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region and bring everybody together.
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So obviously the first one, it's testing the water, see how it goes. And it's viable.
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So that's good. There's always a worry about that when you start hiring venues and things.
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But no, I think because of where I am now, because obviously I used to live
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in Birmingham, I've moved over to Ludlow, and it's a nice place to come and visit.
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So you wouldn't really come to Harbourn, where I used to be, for a nice day out.
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I love Harbourn, obviously. It is a nice place, but nothing like Ludlow.
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You know, you come here with the family and spend a weekend.
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And that was the choice for the day as well. So I chose which day to put it
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on. So you have it on the Sunday, then you could stay Saturday,
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but then the traveling is really awkward.
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So I thought, right, if we do Saturday, then people can stay for the weekend,
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and see some great speakers as well.
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But yeah, I'm most looking forward to, I think it's really interesting when
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the bookings come in with names I've never heard before and obviously members
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of the STA and, well, it's not just STA members that can come.
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But people I've never met, so that would be really good.
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And especially me moving to a new area as well, that would be good for me to
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create a network over here of referrals and things like that.
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So that was always the intention, I think, is to bring the expertise to the
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regions rather than the regions having to come to the therapy show.
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That's really cool. And that's really exciting to have new names.
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You know, it's lovely to see old faces. And we thank hugely people who are,
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you know, we know will come to these events always because they just,
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they know the value of meeting up in person as opposed to just waiting for a
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PDF or a YouTube video. But it's lovely.
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I think, I think we all find that when we see new names down and we think, yeah, okay, job done.
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That's wicked. At least we reached one or two people because it's hard,
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isn't it? It's really hard.
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We've talked on the show a few times now, i think we need to talk about it more there's this.
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Dependency or just expectation for everything just to be on demand online and
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people have people believe that a conference all you're,
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going there for is the information but if that was true then you get it on a pdf watch on youtube but,
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there's so much more isn't there by going there in person what would you think
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what do you think both of you kieran what do you think are some of the highlights
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of going to a conference in person as opposed to just waiting for the video or the PDF?
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I think you've hit the nail on the head about it being very transactional.
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If it is just as simple as information being passed over and,
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you know, the amount of times I've gone to shows or there's been an online seminar
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and the first question is, will you send the slides over?
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And almost then people start to sit back and maybe disengage a bit because they
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know they can look at it afterwards. And I think a lot of learning is missed around the context.
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If it's just passive there's a limited opportunity for engagement there's nothing
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that can beat face to face,
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yeah it's so true I've just come back from Cardiff for a motivational interviewing
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network of trainers and there was about 35 of us but,
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it was just amazing I mean I'm quite susceptible that I love face to face stuff
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and engaging with people but it was just such a great two days and you know
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what apart from the wonderful Daniel who was there as well.
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I didn't know anybody. They were all new, apart from Orla. They were all new
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for me. I'd seen photos of Professor Stephen Rolnik before, but I'd never met
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him in person. So it was just, I came back just thinking, wow,
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29 new people in my lives.
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And geez, I feel so grateful for it. So yeah, it's huge.
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If people are listening, you really need to rearrange your priorities and finances
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and realize that meeting up with fellow-minded individuals in person is so,
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you're working with people. So if you're going to learn, meet other people. It's huge.
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I don't know if that's going to persuade you all. But with that in mind,
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are there still tickets available just in case people are going, okay, Matt, we'll do it.
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Can people still come along on Saturday? Yeah, absolutely.
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The good thing about the assembly rooms in Ludlow, if we did max out,
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then there's somewhere else to go.
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So, yeah, there's a theatre there that takes 300.
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So we've got plenty of capacity.
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I mean, to be fair, when I looked at that, I thought, But you know what,
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that's the goal one day is to fill that and, you know, get some big hitters
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from abroad or something to come over and speak. And yeah, pipe dreams for years to come.
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It's good to have. We just need such a shift. I don't know whether things tend
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to come in peaks and troughs, don't they? At the moment, I think most educators
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will agree that we're definitely in a trough where people are just thinking,
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oh, I'll watch it online.
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And if you are one of the companies who's pushing out 100% online stuff,
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then yes, I'm talking to you.
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Please think about what the repercussions are with your free videos,
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just so you can make money off advertising.
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You're not helping the industry, sorry. But you are helping your pockets,
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so it's difficult, isn't it? It's a big dilemma. I don't know.
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We'll have another episode on it. Let's not get too cynical.
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Cool. Okay, so thank you for that. Speakers, some of the speakers you've got
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there are fantastic. All of the speakers you've got there are fantastic.
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I know Carol Seaborn, I think, is in the audience tonight saying I'm so nervous.
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She should not be nervous.
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She sent through her presentation. I think it was today. Today's been a long day.
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I think it was today. And it was so good. So no need to be nervous,
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Carol. You'll be fine. Yeah, absolutely fine.
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Let's talk about Carol. What's Carol presenting? What's she talking about?
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So, she's a soft tissue therapist background and then has brought in exercise therapy into her work.
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So, the whole kind of theme that I had in mind back in January when I started
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putting things together was around movement and for aimed at soft tissue therapists who were.
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Maybe want to just change a little bit of what they do and bring in some more
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exercise or movement-based practices into their clinic.
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So Anne Carroll is a perfect example of that. She's, I mean,
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if you haven't seen her on Instagram, some of her stories and stuff of their
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clients are really, really good.
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She's done, yeah, she's done really, really good stuff but still does the massage
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side as well. So similar to my background where I came from doing and yours
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as well, doing a bit of both. That's exactly what she does now.
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And she put out a good post, I think it was today, it's like,
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is it a gym space or is it a manual therapy space?
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It's neither, it's a bit of both. And it depends on what the person needs and
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then they build a plan together.
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And yeah, perfect. So yeah, we're going to listen to her story and hopefully
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inspire some other soft tissue therapists to do the same if that's the direction they want to go.
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That's great. Right. Yeah, Carol Seaworn, you put out some wonderful posts.
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But you know what? Stay nervous, stay humble, keep that Socratic humility there
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because it's probably what makes you into the wonderful person you are.
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If you're there going, yeah, I'm going to rock through, I'm going to fill the
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stadium, I'm amazing. Then even if you fill the stadium, you're not that good,
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because you love yourself. But in your case, Carol, yeah, it's going to be great.
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I'm really happy for you. I'm sure it'll all go well. People will love what you've got to present.
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Good on you. We've also got, as well as yourselves, we've got Mike James,
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Tristan Attenborough, we've got Rosie Sexton's coming along as well.
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So there's going to be some really, again, a very diverse kind of mixture of
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people from different backgrounds.
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Kieran, let's go to you if that's all right. What are you going to be presenting
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on? Without giving it all away, but give us a hook.
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So I'm going to be doubling down on the ankle. Everything around assessment,
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management, return to play considerations.
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With a bit of a lens around netball, had a good few years and many happy memories
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with Super League Netball and then a couple of trips with England.
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So I'm going to add that as the background context to why certain decisions might be made,
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who's likely to be involved relative to how that person is accessing you and
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depending on there's going to be a variety of people here and some are integrated
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into clubs, some are into private clinics.
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So all these extra considerations around the team around you and I guess a little
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bit of how multifaceted rehab can be and taking it from,
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you know, even from points of surgery, you know, what role everyone has to play
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in getting somebody back on court.
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Fantastic. I'm sure this can be really well accepted by an awful lot of people.
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The ankle, often a real site of worry and fear for people, isn't it,
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when they start realizing it's not just all about dorsiflexion and plantaflexion.
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There's a little bit more involved in it. So yeah, that'll be really exciting.
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And Mike, what have you got lined up?
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I am doing a session on nerves. So it's aimed at soft tissue therapists and
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where the nervous system and neurological symptoms are very rarely covered in
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any great depth on the syllabus.
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So looking at the differences between ridiculous symptoms, radiculopathy and
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mechanic sensitivity, how to spot the signs of,
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each thing and then how to direct people to the right pathway depending on what
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kind of symptoms they've got.
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Just to help people spot things basically.
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And yeah, if they remember some of the things, hopefully it will help some of
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their patients in the future.
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So a couple of practical demos with that one as well. So try and get a little
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bit of, get their bodies moving as well on that session.
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But the big bit for me is around mechanosensitivity and neurodynamics.
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So how a tight hamstring is not always a tight hamstring, you know,
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persistent calf issues are not always the muscle or the tendon.
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And so just to broaden that, just the mind a little bit. So they start thinking
24:42
about some of the possibilities and then, um, yeah, the best choices for their clients after that.
24:49
That's really cool. So it sounds like the conference could, at the conference,
24:55
you're going to have a variety of different kind of, I don't know how to say
24:57
levels, because it means it suggests that one's higher than the other,
25:00
but people from different backgrounds and you're going to have massage therapists and physios and.
25:05
If somebody, for example, went to see your talk, then it might be that they're
25:08
dealing with that themselves or it might be a case of them recognizing symptoms,
25:12
which are red flags, knowing when to refer on.
25:15
So anybody, it sounds like, could go along to that and then be able to take
25:18
something from it. Is that the idea?
25:19
Yeah, definitely. And even from the physio side, a lot of the physios that,
25:25
I've done this kind of stuff with before, they have a very pathological view
25:30
of the nervous system and neurodynamics, whereas it can be a functional issue
25:35
rather than a pathological one. And it's something that.
25:41
It's been there in front of their face but they never really thought of it in
25:43
that way and then it just flicks that switch and they're like,
25:46
ah, okay, that could be that patient, that patient. So it's just a small thing
25:50
that helps just make them think a little bit differently, hopefully.
25:55
Very cool. I think that's something which I've seen at other regional conferences where...
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Like the ST school, the one that was done with the STA in Exmouth,
26:04
what the feedback we got was we had massage therapists,
26:09
with massive imposter syndrome wandering around and sitting next to professors
26:14
and speakers on the same table and thinking, oh my God, I am worthy,
26:18
you know, and then having conversations with each other with maybe sports therapists and physios,
26:23
and realizing, oh my God, we can talk to each other.
26:26
I'm not going to be scared of you because you're a physio or scared of what
26:29
I can't do. And I think that's another thing from going to these conferences
26:32
face-to-face. Again, it's not
26:33
just the education which you're going to get from the screen or the stage.
26:37
It's realizing your worth, isn't it?
26:40
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And we had the Dorset one as well with Alex,
26:44
and that was really good. We had a couple of discussion breakouts.
26:49
And yeah, the group was entirely mixed. It was really good.
26:52
So I want to bring that kind of energy to to this one as well get a bit more
26:57
practical hands-on stuff as well because we've got something that's not on the,
27:02
eventbrite page but there's a there's a hamstring rehab live session so we're
27:07
going to break the group up into
27:08
teams and take people through a bit of a hamstring rehab plan practically,
27:14
so yeah there's going to be some practical stuff as well as listen exciting great stuff.
27:21
Yeah, for details, we won't go into exactly what Mike James and Rosie are doing.
27:24
But is there anything in particular else which you know is on the program which
27:26
you think our listeners might want to know about, which they might not expect is going to be there?
27:31
Well, do you know what? I think obviously Rosie's been on this a few times,
27:34
but I don't think many people have actually seen Rosie speak.
27:38
It's true. And so, yeah, although you just said don't talk about Rosie. Don't do it.
27:44
She's probably a classic example of something which people are not going to
27:46
expect. Yeah, yeah. Oh, definitely, yeah.
27:50
I just love the way Rosie's mind works. It's fascinating. And yeah,
27:55
the stuff she does in practice is really good. Her background's really interesting.
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Yeah, she'll bring something completely different to the teaching team as well.
28:06
It was funny when I was around, sorry, I think her background probably usurps
28:09
us in terms of variety. Oh God. Oh God, yeah.
28:13
Yeah, definitely.
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Yeah, definitely. Definitely an advocate for the strengths that come with autism
28:19
as well as the challenges.
28:21
Yeah. For people who aren't aware, then we're talking about first female.
28:25
First British female MMA person to enter the UFC and a pioneer in her own right.
28:31
And then she's got computers and piano concertos and all sorts of instruments
28:36
and maths and masters here and all this there and an osteo and everything.
28:41
Yeah, she's quite a wonderful educator.
28:44
Yeah, I think she sets the benchmark, doesn't she? Fantastic.
28:47
Yeah, yeah. What are you talking about on the day then? Now we've gone down the rosy route.
28:53
Well, her specialist subject that I gave her was about MMA injuries.
28:59
So yeah, who better to know about that than someone who got punched in the face
29:03
for a living? Like other people? Yeah, yeah.
29:07
We should hasten to add. Yeah. Yeah. It's always the case when I did that.
29:11
Last time I had a chat with her, it was like with the Gino Carano fight.
29:14
It was like, oh, if that round hadn't finished, if there'd been 10 more seconds.
29:17
But yeah, no, wonderful question. That's really exciting. You've got Rosie there.
29:21
Yeah, wonderful. Okay, then. Right. What about, yeah, for other details than
29:26
going on to Eventbrite people, there are tickets available, which will make
29:29
sure go into the show notes.
29:31
I'm going to do everything I can to get this podcast uploaded and out tomorrow.
29:36
I think I might have a few little windows of opportunity there to do it so people
29:39
will be able to listen to the podcast.
29:41
But if you are live now, then just share the details if you can.
29:45
Or if you watch this on Facebook tomorrow or YouTube, then just share the details.
29:49
There are tickets available and it's going to be such a cool event.
29:51
But I wanted to ask you guys as well, what other, we just kind of touched on
29:56
a few of the other things apart from the speakers, the information they disseminate.
29:59
What other things have you kind of put into place in this conference which you
30:03
think could help people who come along?
30:06
In terms of their clinical practice? In terms of the organization,
30:09
in terms of, you already mentioned, there's some active breakout room stuff.
30:12
And yeah, what do you think about when you organize a conference to think,
30:14
we're going to make this one work? Because we've been to ones that didn't work.
30:17
Yeah, I think for me, it was getting people involved.
30:21
So we've got, obviously, you know, when a speaker's speaking and they've got
30:27
their thing to do, that they've got their areas to cover, you might have a thought come into mind.
30:31
So I run like a car park system where you've got like post-it notes where you
30:36
can write questions on, stick them on the car park, and then we can answer those,
30:41
in break times or at the end of the sessions, just so a question doesn't get missed.
30:45
Because sometimes, you know, you've got the urge to talk about it then,
30:48
but maybe it would drift the speaker a little bit off and then timings will go all out.
30:55
But I don't want to lose that contribution either. So we've got that running.
31:00
And yeah, alongside that. Well, it's not going to be in rows.
31:04
They're going to be round tables. So people will be like part of a group rather
31:07
than in like a lecture theater, that kind of style. So hopefully we'll get some
31:12
collaboration in the groups as well.
31:15
So yeah, it was a lot of, I wanted to do a lot of networking basically and people
31:21
communicating with each other. Yeah.
31:23
That's cool. And Kieran, are you aware of anything in particular that's going
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to be happening on Saturday?
31:29
Or is Mike just throwing you in and turning you and switching you on?
31:33
I know where I'm meant to be and what I'm meant to say. So that's all that's needed.
31:37
I think the thing I want to add as well is I don't know that I'd have been able
31:42
to maybe do as many things as I've maybe done in my career without having almost
31:48
a generalist set of principles that maybe have evolved,
31:51
which leaves me maybe hopefully not too confident but certainly more confident
31:55
to go into any situation with those principles and adapt that to whoever I'm
32:00
working with the area I'm working with and the resources available so that's
32:04
the thing I want to sort of,
32:06
add that extra dimension to. It's just other things to consider.
32:10
How do you develop your own set of generalist principles that then improve your
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confidence to go into those different environments?
32:18
Could you expand a little bit on that? What are these principles?
32:22
I guess, I mean, some of them are, they're a little bit more specific when you're looking at rehab, but.
32:28
Just things to be mindful of in terms of where your communication should stand,
32:32
other things you need to consider beyond the person in front of you,
32:35
either on the bed or on the dance floor doing rehab with you.
32:38
And just, I guess, real world examples of where it's worked and where it hasn't
32:42
worked and the practicalities of what gold standard looks like versus what's
32:46
accessible, what are your alternatives.
32:49
Just because you might not have the latest piece of kit that a Premier League
32:54
team might have, which in this role I may have sold.
32:59
It's more about looking at, okay, so what can I do in the interim?
33:03
What am I trying to achieve? I'm not trying to achieve using a device.
33:07
I'm trying to achieve this specific outcome. What else can I do to help achieve that?
33:13
And that can extend through to rehab. It can extend, you know,
33:17
you could broaden that out to performance data i'm a bit of a nerd as well i
33:20
love a dashboard i like to code,
33:22
there's a real danger with some of the you know the top level stuff that we
33:26
have out there is this quested hunt for data in numbers but what does it mean
33:31
and are you doing it the right way around so,
33:35
the touching on those it's there is going to be some specific stuff around,
33:39
the return to play journey assessment but just to add some some examples that
33:43
bring it a bit more three-dimensional,
33:46
that's great i was going to ask actually because you've obviously had your experience
33:49
working with elites and teams and that i wonder i always like to know from people
33:52
who have worked with elites,
33:53
how much of that can be applied to the recreational athlete or indeed the non-athlete
33:58
we've just got an occupational thing,
34:00
and and yeah you said sometimes the equipment's not there but do some of the
34:04
things pass down some of the things can you apply from elite sport to person on the street?
34:10
I would say you'd be surprised at how much is transferable. I think the reality is.
34:17
People will look at pathology as a pathology. And then you might maybe assess
34:22
the person in front of you, but athletes have different demands.
34:26
They have different body adaptations, some of which are purposeful for them
34:31
to be successful in their sport.
34:33
So it's that extra complexity there as well around the old adage of horses for courses.
34:40
If you were to scan this particular athlete, you would be likely to see A, B, and C on a scan.
34:46
But that doesn't mean that there's anything going wrong so what is it you're really looking for,
34:51
you know you might see your favorite team has access to a b and c but what can
34:56
you do that can replicate that if you don't have,
34:59
the most incredible recording technology i'm not gonna start dropping the name
35:04
brands but there's one out there which a lot of people have used for for a long
35:08
long time i've used it and really respect it but,
35:11
it's either well if i don't have that, then I don't have anything.
35:13
And what else can you look at as your own independent outcome measures to help
35:18
make sure that you're tracking and trending positively in your road to recovery
35:22
with the athlete you're working with or general population as well?
35:27
Fantastic. No, very interesting. I really appreciate your insight.
35:30
Mike, are you still, I just thought, are you still running your anatomy workshops?
35:34
I am. Yeah, yeah. We've got one coming up actually in London in July, July 7th.
35:42
And I'm up in Dundee in September.
35:46
Yeah, so I'm at Dundee University. I've not been there before.
35:49
We were at Glasgow last year. That worked really well because Stevie Biles on
35:53
my case to get something done in Scotland.
35:57
There's a really cool chap Mr. Sentil Kumar and he's a foot and ankle orthopedic
36:03
surgeon so he and I talked the session in Glasgow I said you better do the foot and ankle Sentil,
36:12
I'll stick to the upper body so yeah we had a great day,
36:17
so we decided to do another one in Scotland in September as well so yeah,
36:23
looking forward to that Fantastic, very exciting nothing but good feedback from
36:27
that and talking of stevie bar that's a nice segue into earlier on gary benson,
36:31
confirmed that there will be a regional conference in glasgow,
36:36
on the 25th of october obviously information will start going out now that's been,
36:41
confirmed and it is stevie bar and cat clark who are organizing that so that's
36:46
good news do you know any other chit chat about potential regional conferences around the country.
36:52
I've heard Gary talking about one potentially in the East Midlands,
36:56
maybe Lincoln, either Lincoln or Lincolnshire. I'm not too sure,
37:00
but I think something's coming up.
37:03
I think it's a good opportunity for members to, especially if they've got a
37:09
facility that they can use or they've got somewhere locally that they can use
37:13
to create a networking event for their area.
37:16
I think it's really, because Gary will really support it as well, which is great.
37:22
So, yeah, if you need any help with speakers or anything like that,
37:26
then Gary can certainly help out.
37:29
That's really cool. And the STA has got regional representatives,
37:31
you know, very much for that to help. It really does boil down to members and
37:35
non-members and to actually support. I mean, the prices are very low.
37:41
Should you say how much a ticket is for this Midlands? So, the general sale now is £1.25.
37:47
But when they first went on sale, they were £75. quid so you know early bird is is really cheap and,
37:54
i'm hoping tomorrow to have the date uh the date for next year as well so and
38:00
it's going to be the same kind of weekend so i think it's i think it works out like the,
38:04
the 19th of june or something like that but i'll be i'll be booking next year's one on wednesday so uh
38:11
yeah keep an eye out for that and yeah and then early bird will be 75 quid,
38:16
which is, you know, that's a bargain really for the kind of people that we've got there speaking.
38:22
It is, isn't it? There's just so much ambivalence out there now.
38:24
People are, and as soon as they
38:26
think of reasons to do it, they find a difference not to do it. And it is.
38:30
I mean, there's obviously the accommodation, but these days with Airbnb and
38:33
stuff, if there's a few of you going, that can be surprisingly cheap.
38:36
And if you get there early enough, it's like therapy show.
38:39
I understand that it is a trick for some people and accommodation can be high,
38:43
but the deals you can get with Airbnb if you strike it up early enough,
38:47
it's just crazy. I mean, you get a lovely house. We've stayed in some wonderful places.
38:52
If there's kind of a few of you. So yeah, if you're listening,
38:55
then look out for these early birds and just do it.
38:58
You know, contact. And if you're part of the STA, then you've got a massive
39:01
support system there. You'll find four or five other members going up.
39:05
You can all work it out together. Gary is Mr. Support You, wherever you need.
39:09
So talk to Gary if you're not sure and yeah, make it part of your CPD.
39:12
You know, put it aside. Part of your budget needs to be face-to-face.
39:16
Talking of Gary here, let's bring him up here. What's Gary had to say?
39:20
Gary Benson, founder of the STA, says east midlands near mansfield then york
39:23
and thetford in norfolk are all in the pipeline for the late 2026 and spring 2027,
39:29
fantastic so we're putting it out there we just need people on the shop floor,
39:34
to to commit and and yeah benefit you'll go and you will not be disappointed
39:38
i well i can't guarantee that,
39:40
but you'll go and you'll learn something yeah you'll see a side that you didn't expect.
39:45
Then we got the fear of missing out. I'm sorry, Jessica Yaneman.
39:49
Jessica says, well, I really, I nearly didn't tune in tonight because I can't
39:53
come and I was right because now I really want to come and I still can't.
39:57
There's a little bit of laughter there, but I think the tears are genuine as
39:59
well. Yes, well, I'm sorry, Jessica, what can we do?
40:03
And there's going to be times you can't come. But this is, again,
40:05
the benefit of the regional ones, isn't it? Because if you miss one,
40:07
chances are you'll find one, another one you can't do.
40:11
I will be recording this session as well.
40:14
Yeah it's going to be me with a camera rudimental but uh yeah no no kind of
40:21
uh cameraman work but it gives the opportunity for um people to to watch it back,
40:26
so uh yeah hopefully i've got enough sd card storage for the whole day,
40:32
what's the i don't need to commit to say anything i'm not sure but what's the
40:35
idea then somebody who's bought a ticket will then get a recording or yes but
40:40
also to have it open for the first one to anybody so that you can see what we do.
40:45
So then hopefully come along to the next one. Yeah.
40:50
So that's the idea, because it's the first one. I thought we'd do that and just
40:55
try and get some footage sorted.
40:57
But I just wanted to say as well, I.
41:01
Gave the speakers a brief back in January, because I've done a lot of conferences
41:06
and someone's gone, you pick a talk, you can do whatever you want.
41:10
And it's great, but then you're kind of like, I'm in an hour and about what to do for a while.
41:16
And I wanted to theme the session as well. So I basically sent everyone a paper
41:23
from 2017, and it was about how to structure therapy in S&C.
41:30
So you've got your, like Kieran was saying, you've got your assessment protocols.
41:34
You've then got your delivery of whatever it is, depending on whatever the assessments come up with.
41:40
And then you've got your testing of the protocols that you've done.
41:44
So you've got this clear pathway to see if things that you've implemented have
41:49
worked so and then I said well obviously because Kieran working in netball I
41:54
was like well if you could do ankles and then we've got Mike James looking after running,
41:59
Rosie doing MMA and and then there's just yeah it's just me left then isn't
42:04
it have I missed anyone out please I hope I haven't,
42:08
and yeah just yeah we'll get Carolyn Tristan are going to be talking about their
42:15
journey specifically from soft tissue therapy into exercise therapy.
42:20
But yeah, I wanted to kind of give people a bit of structure so they didn't
42:25
have to worry too much about thinking of an idea.
42:29
So yeah, hopefully that works. Some people from conferences do say there was
42:32
great stuff. It was all over the place and it's harder to kind of retain it.
42:36
But if there's a theme and you're working, they're all kind of connected. That's really cool.
42:40
Kudos to you. Gary Benson has said in the chat here, All our conferences are
42:44
accredited for CPD by PD approval, and all delegates will receive an electronic PDF certificate.
42:50
Fantastic, yeah. And that's PD approval from last week's show.
42:55
Wonderful. Well, look, that's so exciting. We'll make sure that the link to
42:59
tickets is made available and we'll add it to the notes and we'll try and get
43:04
that out tomorrow. But if you're listening to this and you think somebody else
43:06
might be interested, then just give them a heads up.
43:09
You can find the links already across UK underscore STA and you'll find them
43:14
at Movement Therapy Education as well.
43:16
So they are out there. Just share them. Share them with other people who help
43:19
your fellow therapists and share them with somebody who think they might benefit from it.
43:24
If people do want to follow on the day, then you're going to be.
43:27
Kind of putting out photos and things and will that be on yeah that'll be on
43:31
the sta handles alex is looking after that he does all the instagram stuff and then,
43:37
movement therapy education as well we'll be doing some things as well but mainly through alex,
43:42
yeah wonderful i think that's great angela tay sports therapy has said would
43:46
have loved to come to this one but looking forward to glasgow fantastic we would
43:49
have signed up for glasgow gary it's viable now we've got one member that's fine,
43:53
let's definitely get your head now that's great wonderful okay so So thank you
43:57
so much, Mike and Kieran, for giving out your time to talk about that.
44:00
It sounds really exciting and I hope our listeners appreciate the amount of
44:03
work which you guys have put into it.
44:06
I'll just mention what we've got coming up next week before we sign off.
44:10
So next week, some of you may have seen the episode we had before,
44:14
but the wonderful Tim Allardyce has, I think he came down last week, actually.
44:19
He's just summited Mount Everest as well as two or three of the other peaks up there.
44:23
Incredible. I mean, if you go to his website, on those websites,
44:27
social media feeds, you're in for some breathtaking scenery and photos and everything.
44:31
But listen to the podcast and you'll hear the preparation he did for it.
44:35
Sleeping in a tent with oxygen capacity reduced more and more until he was down
44:40
to about 17% or something for the night before, just so he can prepare himself
44:45
for the conditions which are up there as you're approaching the peak.
44:48
So yeah, that's going to be 16th, no not the 16th, it'll be next week,
44:53
so the 23rd of June, with Tim Allardyce, who's going to be talking about that,
45:00
his peak of the Mount Everest, you know, 2030 June at 8 o'clock BST.
45:06
Join us for that if you can.
45:09
For now, thank you once again to Mike Rice and Kieran for joining us.
45:13
Thank you. I'm sure it will go all very well on Saturday.
45:16
I don't want to say break a leg because it just seems such a terrible thing
45:19
to say these days, but I know it will go well. With all the organization you
45:22
put into it, it'll be fantastic.
45:23
And if you are going along to it, then make sure you do share stuff on social
45:27
media, take a few piggies and share it,
45:29
because being at the conference is great and you'll learn loads,
45:31
but if you can share it with other people, then maybe they will start realizing
45:35
the benefit of going to these face-to-face things and not just relying on PDF.
45:40
Let's slow down this technical future.
45:42
I like the fact that under 16-year-olds can't see social media,
45:45
but we need to control the adults as well in some respects. It's all very well
45:48
the under 16s, but what about the over 16s who are still thinking,
45:52
I'll just watch it on YouTube. I'll just download a PDF.
45:54
We need to get back to basics. You work with people, so train with people and
45:58
learn with people. It's as simple as that.
46:00
Jeez, I sound like I'm a real preaching this evening, but I see you two guys
46:05
and the experience you got and everything you put into it.
46:07
It just frustrates me a little bit that I know there'll be resistance to people
46:12
going to these inside this but anyway,
46:14
Gary Benson founder of the STA says thanks for sharing this info this evening
46:17
I can't wait until Saturday yeah it's gonna be a great event,
46:20
right then thanks very much for joining us people who joined us live appreciate
46:23
as well if you listen to the podcast then please leave a rating and a review
46:26
just helps our good word get higher when people do google searches.
46:31
And if you can join us in person next week with Tim Allardyce that'd be great
46:34
as well Mike and Kieran thank you once again thank you Matt yes Mike really
46:39
nice to have you along and thanks everybody in the meantime take care of yourselves
46:43
and of each other we'll see you very soon take care.