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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette.
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Speaker 1: I will be your host Emily Simpson with Shane. Today
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Speaker 1: we are going to talk about Shawn Comb's The Reckoning,
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Speaker 1: and I will be honest with you. I didn't really
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Speaker 1: have the intention of doing a podcast on this because
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Speaker 1: we had followed the Ditty trial, We'd done a couple
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Speaker 1: podcasts on Ditty. The Reckoning came out. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I thought, I don't know, is there really anything? Is
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Speaker 1: there information in here?
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Speaker 2: No more investigation, there's no more, you know, anything interesting
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Speaker 2: to stink our teeth into. But then this comes out.
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Speaker 1: But then this comes out, And again I didn't really
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Speaker 1: have the intention of talking about it until I kept
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Speaker 1: getting so many dms from you guys out there, which
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Speaker 1: I'm thankful for because you you guys have good insight.
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Speaker 1: But so many people were reaching out saying, have you
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Speaker 1: watched it? Are you guys going to talk about it?
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Speaker 1: You should talk about it. So I watched it. So
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Speaker 1: Shawn Comes. The Reckoning is a four part Netflix docu
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Speaker 1: series that offers an in depth look at the rise
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Speaker 1: and fall of Sean Ditty Combs. It's directed by Alexandria
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Speaker 1: Stapleton and executive produced by Curtis fifty cent Jackson. The
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Speaker 1: series traces Comb's journey from an influential Bad Boy Records
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Speaker 1: founder to a convicted felon serving a prison sentence, using
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Speaker 1: exclusive interviews with former associates to jurors. This is interesting
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Speaker 1: and insiders alongside never before seen footage some shot in
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Speaker 1: the days right before his twenty twenty four arrest. So
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Speaker 1: when I first started watching it, I was like, Wow,
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Speaker 1: they have some footage in here that is really interesting
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Speaker 1: because he is documenting himself at the Park Hyatt Hotel
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Speaker 1: in New York City, like literally a couple days before
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Speaker 1: he's about to be arrested, and he knows that they're
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Speaker 1: investigating coming. He knows it's coming, he knows he's being investigated.
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Speaker 1: He knows he's gonna have all these charges. Let's just
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Speaker 1: before we get into this, let's just go back and
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Speaker 1: talk about the charges and what he was convicted of.
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Speaker 1: So Diddy was accused of racketeering, two sex trafficking counts,
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Speaker 1: and two counts of transportation for prostitution. The charges centered
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Speaker 1: on his conduct with ex girlfriend Cassie Ventura and an
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Speaker 1: anonymous victim known as Jane, who testified in the trial.
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Speaker 1: Jane had data combs from early twenty twenty one until
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Speaker 1: his arrest and indictment in September of twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 1: Despite her anonymity, many are convinced that Jane is Daphne Joy,
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Speaker 1: the mother of fifty cents child. See maybe that's what
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Speaker 1: makes fifty so invested as well.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Ditty was ultimately convicted on two counts of transportation for prostitution.
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Speaker 1: So we did do earlier podcast episodes about Ditty when
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Speaker 1: we were following the trials, So if you would like
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Speaker 1: to go back and listen to those, I think those
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Speaker 1: are good episodes. Also, if you remember, he was not
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Speaker 1: convicted of the higher charges of rico and sex traffickings
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Speaker 1: length he would have been in prison for a lot
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Speaker 1: of the times.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't they confiscate a lot of his assets and stuff too?
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Speaker 1: Most likely, But he was convicted of the less serious
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Speaker 1: charge of just transporting people across state lines for prostitution. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it is now all his did. He was acquitted of
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Speaker 1: the most serious charge of racketeering conspiracy, which carries a
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Speaker 1: potential life sentence, as well as the two charges of
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Speaker 1: sex trafficking so obviously we're not recappers. So this is
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Speaker 1: four parts. I don't want to go through and recap this.
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Speaker 1: It's very long, it's very complicated, it's very in depth.
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Speaker 1: I think it's very well done if you're invested in
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Speaker 1: it and you want to go back to the nineties
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Speaker 1: to talk about like when he first started, how he
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Speaker 1: came up in the music business, the people he dealt with, some.
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Speaker 2: Of his early re footage from.
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Speaker 1: A lot of real footage, a lot of interviews. It's
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Speaker 1: very very well done. But I as I watched it,
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Speaker 1: I thought, let's pull out some of the things that
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Speaker 1: really stuck out to me and some of the significant
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Speaker 1: things that I want to talk about. The first is
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Speaker 1: that video footage used in the series. So the Netflix
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Speaker 1: docuseriies begins with never before seen footage showing Sean Diddycomb's
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Speaker 1: speaking with his attorney, Mark agnifient I could never say
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Speaker 1: his last name was his initial Agnifhilo, mark A mark A.
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Speaker 1: And if you remember, Mark A is married to an
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Speaker 1: attorney who represents Luigi Mangioni. So these are some high
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Speaker 1: profile attorneys. So Mark agnif Philo, less than a week
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Speaker 1: before his arrest, he's speaking to his attorney. This is
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Speaker 1: in the video footage. The footage was recorded by a
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Speaker 1: videographer Combs had hired to document his legal troubles. Now,
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Speaker 1: that's the thing about Sean Combs is you could tell
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Speaker 1: even though he's being investigated by the FBI, he knows
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Speaker 1: he's going to get arrested. They're reaching out and sab
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Speaker 1: poena people, and he wants it documented.
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Speaker 2: Because well didn't he didn't he before sentencing think he
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Speaker 2: was going to get out or he was he already
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Speaker 2: staged like some party or some event thinking he was
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Speaker 2: going to get out.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. You mean he was already like
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Speaker 1: planning a party something.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a party or if
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Speaker 2: it was some type of some type of celebration, some
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Speaker 2: type of thing where he's anticipating, being clear enough, being
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Speaker 2: in the slammer, right, And that was like, who do
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Speaker 2: you think you are?
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Speaker 1: He's Sean? Did he cumbs? He's gotten away with a
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Speaker 1: lot of things from many Combs many many many years. So,
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Speaker 1: despite uncertainty surrounding Comb's motivations for filming himself, director Alexandria
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Speaker 1: Stapleton suggested he may have been attempting to shape or
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Speaker 1: preserve control over his own public narrative.
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Speaker 2: I mean what it was, I'd be like, you find
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Speaker 2: out that the CoP's going to bust in the house
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Speaker 2: and search our place, and you quickly call Brav when
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Speaker 2: you're like, hey, let's document this. I'm about to go
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Speaker 2: to jail. I mean, I would never want to do that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but you think you and I wouldn't. But I
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Speaker 1: feel like when you said that, I feel like there's
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Speaker 1: housewives that would do that.
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Speaker 2: Maybe.
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Speaker 1: So fifty Stapleton and Netflix have all kept the source
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Speaker 1: of the footage private. Stapleton said it came to us
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Speaker 1: we obtained the footage legally and have the necessary rights.
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Speaker 1: We moved heaven and earth to keep the filmmaker's identity confidential.
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Speaker 1: One thing about Shawn Combs is that he's always filming
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Speaker 1: himself and it's been an obsession throughout the decades. We
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Speaker 1: also reached out to Shawncomb's legal team for an interview
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Speaker 1: and comment multiple times, but we did not hear back.
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Speaker 1: So just one day before the series premiered on Netflix,
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Speaker 1: Comb's attorneys sent Netflix a cease and desist letter alleging
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Speaker 1: the footage was improperly acquired and used without authorization. Comb's
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Speaker 1: representatives also claimed the material was originally intended for a
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Speaker 1: separate documentary project that Combs had been developing, which was
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Speaker 1: later stalled due to his mounting legal issues. Now, first
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Speaker 1: of all, I don't believe that for one second. I
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Speaker 1: think he's self filming himself because he doesn't think he's
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Speaker 1: going to get convicted, and so he's going to use
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Speaker 1: all this footage to make a documentary about a half
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Speaker 1: while else.
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Speaker 2: Would you record yourself talking to your attorney about a
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Speaker 2: game plan?
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Speaker 1: Right? A Netflix rep told Variety in a statement in
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Speaker 1: early December, the claims being made about Seawan Combs the
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Speaker 1: reckoning are false. The project has no ties to he
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Speaker 1: passed conversations between Shawn Combs and Netflix. The footage of
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Speaker 1: Combs leading up to his indictment and arrests were legally obtained.
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Speaker 1: This is not a hit piece or an act of retribution. Now,
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Speaker 1: first of all, Netflix is what a multi billion dollar company?
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I know, mega billion, megabillion, Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 2: because they bought like Warner Bros. Like seventy billions.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're gonna tell me that Netflix doesn't have
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Speaker 1: a roomful of the.
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Speaker 2: Brightest attorney this stuff.
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Speaker 3: Of course they they I would have written back a
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Speaker 3: ceasing distance letter for Shawn Combs and been like, stop
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Speaker 3: contacting us, No, stop abusing women and other people and
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Speaker 3: harming society, and you know, I mean seriously.
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Speaker 1: So I did read that. I think it was a
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Speaker 1: former assistant of his or something came forward and wrote
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Speaker 1: something on.
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Speaker 2: Like a sub has a lot of former assistants.
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Speaker 1: Oh, there's a lot of former people out there that
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Speaker 1: have dealt with him. But he said that the footage
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Speaker 1: was obtained from the videographer because Shawn Combs never has
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Speaker 1: contracts in play, so he doesn't pay people and he
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Speaker 1: just expects loyalty, like he always is wanting people to
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Speaker 1: do things for him, but he never has an actual
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Speaker 1: contract in place, and he never actually Oh, he's just.
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Speaker 2: So special that everyone will be blessed to be able
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Speaker 2: to hold a video.
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Speaker 1: And follow him and to be part of his entourage
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Speaker 1: and to work with him. And at first I thought,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true or not until I
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Speaker 1: watched the entire series. And if you get to part four,
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Speaker 1: which we'll talk about later, if you see.
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Speaker 2: That video footage of him beating that girl and pulling
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Speaker 2: her from the elevator back into the hotel room. Yes,
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Speaker 2: he is an entitled person and he thinks everyone wants
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Speaker 2: to be with him, right, And then if you.
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Speaker 1: Were called when we talked about the trial, then he
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Speaker 1: went to after that footage. Remember he went to the
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Speaker 1: security guard and paid paid him off to get the
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Speaker 1: security footage. And so he's always been able to clean
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Speaker 1: up things, to finagle people, to manipulate, to control.
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Speaker 2: I thinks he can murder people and get away with.
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Speaker 1: It most likely. So the way I understand it, just
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Speaker 1: based upon everything I've read about this footage, is that
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Speaker 1: he hired a videographer to film him. Then that videographer,
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Speaker 1: his name's like Michael Oberlei's or something, came out and
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Speaker 1: made a statement I believe in Rolling Stone where he
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Speaker 1: said I was hired to, you know, film him and
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Speaker 1: make this footage, but he had to take like three
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Speaker 1: days off. So then he hired another videographer to replace him.
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Speaker 1: And so he's blaming that other videographer saying, yeah, saying
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Speaker 1: it wasn't me, it's this other guy. I had to
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Speaker 1: take like a couple of days off, so I hired
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Speaker 1: like a freelance guy and it's the freelance guy that
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Speaker 1: gave all the footage to Netflix. But according to what
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Speaker 1: people are saying, he doesn't have contracts in place and
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Speaker 1: he doesn't pay people, so I'm assuming that's how Netflix
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Speaker 1: obtained the footage. Also, he's talking to his attorney in
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Speaker 1: a room full of people, So when you you know
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Speaker 1: attorney client privilege, you can't assert that that information that
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Speaker 1: he's talking about with his attorney is privileged and can't
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Speaker 1: be aired when exactly this documentary starts out. And it's
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Speaker 1: interesting because they do go into a little bit into
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Speaker 1: this bad boy versus death row, East Coast versus West
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Speaker 1: Coast hip hop rivalry, which I did not know a
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Speaker 1: lot about, even though I love the nineties and that's
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Speaker 1: my favorite decade, but I don't know a lot about that.
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Speaker 1: So they do go into that because we're going to
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Speaker 1: get into Biggie's murder and Tupac's murder.
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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about that because I don't listen
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Speaker 2: to gangster rap. You don't know is it gangster rap
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Speaker 2: or well, they're gangsters. Apparently they're killing each other.
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Speaker 1: The East Coast Versus West Coast hip Hop Rivalry was
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Speaker 1: a mid nineties feud between New York's Bad Boy Records,
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Speaker 1: which was Notorious Big. That was the big name right
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Speaker 1: on yo Big Notorious Big. I don't know what Big
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Speaker 1: stood for, but it was. His name was Chris Wallace.
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Speaker 1: That's his real name. It's Chris Chris Wallace. He's Biggie
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Speaker 1: Small's I know that. And it rival rivalry was between
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Speaker 1: LA's Death Row Records, which was Tupac Shakurs. So these
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Speaker 1: are the two big names from those two records, right,
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Speaker 1: You've got Biggie Smalls and you've got Tupac Shaker. It
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Speaker 1: was fueled by record label competition, media hype, gang culture,
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Speaker 1: and cultural pride, culminating in diss tracks, and the unsolved
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Speaker 1: murders of Tupac and Biggie, which occurred within six months
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Speaker 1: of each other. So I think Tupac was murdered by
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Speaker 1: dry by shooting in Vegas. I think it was ninety six,
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Speaker 1: and then Biggie was shot in a dry by shooting
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Speaker 1: in La I believe in ninety seven. So the hip
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Speaker 1: hop began in New York City, giving the East Coast
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Speaker 1: a sense of ownership, while the West Coast gained massive
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Speaker 1: commercial success, creating tension between the two The main players
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Speaker 1: were Tupac Shakur and Shug Knight, who was the West
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Speaker 1: Coast death Row Records, and the notorious Big and Puff Daddy,
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Speaker 1: which was East Coast and bad Boy. However, interviewees in
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Speaker 1: the Daka series claimed that the rivalry wasn't really between
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Speaker 1: the artists. It spun out of control after executives, particularly Comb's,
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Speaker 1: poured fuel on the fire, so moments ones that were
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Speaker 1: highlighted in the docuseries. Suge Knight took the stage at
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Speaker 1: the August nineteen ninety five Source Awards in New York
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Speaker 1: City and hurled and insulted Combs, publicly taunting him for
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Speaker 1: stealing the spotlight from the artists whose music he produced.
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Speaker 1: They actually show this in the documentary. You make some
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Speaker 1: comment like come to death Row Records, where you know
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Speaker 1: your executive producer isn't in all your videos things.
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Speaker 2: You see an unhealthy trend here? What is the unhealthy
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Speaker 2: death Row Records? Yes, bad Boy, I mean, and then
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Speaker 2: and then they want to kill each other because of
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Speaker 2: like making a recording. I mean, I've seen heavy metal
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Speaker 2: bands like being rivals and I've never seen them.
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Speaker 1: They don't do dry by shootings.
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Speaker 2: No, no, not at all, Like it might just be
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Speaker 2: ax Ros sleeps with like, oh they he's a girlfriend
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Speaker 2: who probably slept with the whole band. Anyway, I mean
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Speaker 2: that's it. That's how they laugh about and they high
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Speaker 2: five each other and then go out.
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Speaker 1: That's how they retaliate.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's much more enjoyable than and killing each other.
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Speaker 2: Well yes, yeah, and breaking news. Big stands for business
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Speaker 2: instead of game.
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Speaker 1: Oh so Biggie stands on his business. Well, but according
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Speaker 1: to the docu saries, Biggie wanted nothing to do with
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Speaker 1: the feud. He was an artist. I think he and
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Speaker 1: Tupac had a good relationship, and I don't as far
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Speaker 1: as what I took away was that he wasn't interested
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Speaker 1: in any kind of feuding, that it was fueled by
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Speaker 1: Sean Combs and and.
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Speaker 2: So it was more like they were just defending themselves.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's think about first of all, this feud. I
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Speaker 1: mean it's all over the media, right, So it's you're
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Speaker 1: hyping up your own record label and your own artists
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Speaker 1: by having a feud, right right. So in June of
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, Tupac Shaker released Hit Them Up, which
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Speaker 1: called out Biggie Combs and bad boy by name and
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Speaker 1: bragged about sleeping with Biggie's wife. Yeah, say there you go.
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Speaker 1: Good there, Do you feel better?
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Speaker 3: Now, that's the way you should do it.
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Speaker 2: It's more honorable, all right.
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Speaker 1: So let's get into Tupac's death, which I did not know,
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Speaker 1: but now there is a suspect that is in jail
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Speaker 1: that is going to trial in February of twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: six for Tupac's death.
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Speaker 2: Is Tupac his real name?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's Tupac is his real name? Okay,
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Speaker 1: Tupac Shaker? It might be.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, Tupac cool name.
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Speaker 1: It is a cool name. The only man ever arrested
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Speaker 1: in connection with Tupac Shaker's death previously alleged that Sean
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Speaker 1: Combs requested the murder Dwayne Keffi D. That's his uh.
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Speaker 1: I don't know his stage name or I don't know
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Speaker 1: gangster name.
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Speaker 2: What is it?
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Speaker 1: Keffi k E F F E D. His name is
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Speaker 1: Dwayne Davis. But you can't go by Dwayne. You got
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Speaker 1: you need another name, so he goes by Keffi D.
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Speaker 1: Told police that Comb's put a bounty on the lives
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Speaker 1: of his rivals, sug Knight and Tupac Shaker. So Combs
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Speaker 1: has repeatedly denied any involvement in the killing and has
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Speaker 1: never been named as a suspect or a person of
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Speaker 1: interest by authorities in connection with Tupac's homicide. However, they
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Speaker 1: show this proffer session in two thousand and eight. This
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Speaker 1: is I had to look up a prophet set because
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Speaker 1: I didn't know exactly what it was. So it's basically
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Speaker 1: where he sits down and he gives information. But he
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Speaker 1: has immunity, so he was involved. So he claims during
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Speaker 1: the session that he was involved in the in the
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Speaker 1: dry By shooting, that he was in the car, he
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Speaker 1: was in the white Cadillac.
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Speaker 2: In exchange for his testimony, they're going to give him
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Speaker 2: some No, it's not.
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Speaker 1: In exchange for testimony, because this is back in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight, two thousand and nine. They were it
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Speaker 1: had something to do with some other they were investigating
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Speaker 1: Tupac's death, but it had also something to do with
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Speaker 1: some drug related crimes. They bring him in and they
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Speaker 1: offer him some kind of immunity, basically that whatever he
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Speaker 1: says won't be used against him in court, but any
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Speaker 1: evidence that comes from what he tells them they can use.
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Speaker 1: So it's very it's very interesting. So basically they bring
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Speaker 1: him in, they get him to talk, and he says
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Speaker 1: that this hit on Tupac was ordered by Diddy and
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Speaker 1: that he was involved in it. He was in the car,
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Speaker 1: and that it was his nephew who actually pulled up
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Speaker 1: shot Tupac in Las Vegas. But Puff Daddy at the time, well,
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Speaker 1: Puff Daddy, Yes, he's had several names, his last one
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Speaker 1: being love. Right. So now what's interesting is that then
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Speaker 1: this is back in two thousand and eight, twenty nine,
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Speaker 1: when he offers this information about Tupac's death and that
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Speaker 1: it was ordered by you know, Sean Combs. I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you though in the interview, though, I was skeptical in
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Speaker 1: the beginning because the FBI was very leading in the
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Speaker 1: beginning in this profit session. It was like, so, so
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Speaker 1: did he was involved?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: So he told you were So it was very leading,
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Speaker 1: and I but I could tell once he warmed up
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Speaker 1: and I feel like he was more comfortable. Then he
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Speaker 1: started giving his own details of that night and what happened.
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Speaker 2: But in the beginning it was very much you weren't
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Speaker 2: saying that it was leading in terms of like it
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Speaker 2: was probably Uh, they were leading him on and getting
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Speaker 2: him to say things that probably were accurate. You're just
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Speaker 2: saying this is how it started. It started out.
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Speaker 1: I was skeptical at first because I felt like they
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Speaker 1: were just everything they were throwing out, and he was like, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: He did it right, he did right. Yeah, yeah yeah.
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Speaker 1: But then towards then, as the interview went on, he
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Speaker 1: was actually offering his own details and account of that night,
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Speaker 1: and it was very detailed, and then I thought, Okay,
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Speaker 1: now I think that guy was there.
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Speaker 2: Okay. It took a while for him to warm up.
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Speaker 1: Probably at one point he claims that he was offered
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Speaker 1: a million dollars to handle the problem. Davis remembers Combs
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Speaker 1: being very afraid of Sugar. Night tensions had begun boiling
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Speaker 1: over months before Shakur's death when a fight broke out
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Speaker 1: between this is what we were talking about, the Bloods
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Speaker 1: and the Crips over a death row medallion that belonged tonight.
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Speaker 1: Among the Crypts group was Davis's nephew, Orlando Anderson. So
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Speaker 1: this guy that they offered the profer session too, he's
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Speaker 1: the one that claims that it was his nephew, Orlando Anderson,
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Speaker 1: who actually was the one who pulled the trigger. He
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Speaker 1: is dead now. He is not alive. So everyone involved
17:44
Speaker 1: in this drive by shooting is dead except for this
17:46
Speaker 1: guy kefie D.
17:47
Speaker 2: Were they all deaths as a result of some foul play?
17:51
Speaker 1: Yes, so I believe it was all like another drive
17:55
Speaker 1: by or something.
17:56
Speaker 2: Which you know could be related. Right, you want to
17:59
Speaker 2: tie up sins.
18:01
Speaker 1: So Kefi D, who is behind bars currently and a
18:04
Speaker 1: waiting trial for orchestrating Shakur's killing, now insists that he
18:07
Speaker 1: is innocent. Now after he gave all this information. This
18:10
Speaker 1: is back in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
18:11
Speaker 1: and then nothing happened after that. So he gives this
18:13
Speaker 1: information basically in this profit deal, you know, and he
18:16
Speaker 1: gets immunity. And I think that made him cocky because
18:20
Speaker 1: then he went on like this media tour. He wrote
18:22
Speaker 1: a book basically, I think it was called Like the
18:24
Speaker 1: Legend of Compton, where he talks about his involvement in
18:28
Speaker 1: Tupac Shakur's death and the circumstances surrounding it. And then
18:32
Speaker 1: he was doing like media and talking about like interviews,
18:35
Speaker 1: and I think he got cocky thinking that he got
18:37
Speaker 1: immunity during this interview, so then he was safe to
18:40
Speaker 1: just write a book and go on a media tour
18:44
Speaker 1: and talk about it. So then I believe he gets
18:46
Speaker 1: arrested in twenty twenty three, and now he's going on
18:49
Speaker 1: trial for the death of Tupac Shakur. But now he's claiming.
18:53
Speaker 1: Now he's claiming that he's innocent, that he had nothing
18:58
Speaker 1: to do with it, and that he wasn't even in
19:00
Speaker 1: Las Vegas during that time period. And when Chupac was
19:03
Speaker 1: hurt Angela, when I told.
19:05
Speaker 2: These stories, Oh no, that profer session, I thought was Yeah.
19:09
Speaker 1: He also claims that he never read the memoir that
19:12
Speaker 1: is ascribed to him and only confessed to his purported
19:14
Speaker 1: role in the crime because he was getting paid to lie.
19:17
Speaker 1: So it actually it's it's very he's supposed.
19:20
Speaker 2: To go a trial, he and bounce it all over
19:23
Speaker 2: the place.
19:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, but his defense team is claiming that, first of all,
19:28
Speaker 1: that it's taken way too long. They did these interviews
19:30
Speaker 1: in eight and oh nine, and now here they are
19:32
Speaker 1: prosecuting him in twenty twenty three, So that's prosecutorial missed justice.
19:36
Speaker 1: Like they didn't. They weren't prosecuting him in a timely manner.
19:40
Speaker 2: And then but there's no statute limitations on murder.
19:43
Speaker 1: But I guess they're saying that like memories fade, people
19:45
Speaker 1: have died, you know, like no one's alive now that
19:48
Speaker 1: was involved in the shooting except for.
19:49
Speaker 2: Him, except for the shooter.
19:51
Speaker 1: Well he no, he claims he didn't shoot him. He
19:53
Speaker 1: claims that he was in the car and that it
19:55
Speaker 1: was his nephew that shot him. But that he, I guess,
19:58
Speaker 1: was part of it and put it all together.
20:00
Speaker 2: So it sucks for Amy's in jail. And how's his
20:02
Speaker 2: book doing.
20:03
Speaker 1: I don't know how his book's doing. And I can't
20:04
Speaker 1: figure out who published it. I need to know, like
20:06
Speaker 1: what publishing company published it, and what is it self published?
20:10
Speaker 2: It's Death Row Publication.
20:12
Speaker 1: Yes, that would be That sounds appropriate. So we'll see
20:16
Speaker 1: what happens in February twenty twenty six. This guy's going
20:19
Speaker 1: to go on trial for Tupac's murder.
20:21
Speaker 2: Well, let's hope we're around to cover it.
20:32
Speaker 1: So Biggie's death and Ditty's alleged involvement, So now let's
20:35
Speaker 1: move on to Biggie's death. So, following Tupac's shooting, the
20:38
Speaker 1: Bad Boys Records crew knew it was dangerous to be
20:40
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, but Combs pushed them to go anyway.
20:43
Speaker 1: He urged Biggie Smalls to go to LA for promotion
20:46
Speaker 1: of his album, just six months after Tupac's death. Allegedly,
20:49
Speaker 1: Biggie was adamant against this and did not want to
20:52
Speaker 1: go to Los Angeles. It's even said that Biggie was
20:54
Speaker 1: supposed to leave for London the day of his death,
20:57
Speaker 1: but did He forced him to stay in LA to
20:59
Speaker 1: attend the party was throwing. During that trip, Biggie was
21:02
Speaker 1: gunned down in Los Angeles. He was killed after leaving
21:04
Speaker 1: through a rear entrance of the Awards show after party.
21:07
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess during this this Enter this
21:10
Speaker 1: docu series on Netflix, there were people that were alleging
21:14
Speaker 1: that Biggie was set up by Sean Combe somehow, and
21:18
Speaker 1: that he was involved in it, and that he wouldn't
21:20
Speaker 1: let him go to London, he wanted him to be
21:21
Speaker 1: in LA.
21:22
Speaker 2: Has that not always been kind of lingering around that
21:25
Speaker 2: he might have been involved in Well, I think.
21:26
Speaker 1: There's always been speculation that he was involved. Well, he actually,
21:30
Speaker 1: I mean, let's think about it. First of all, do
21:31
Speaker 1: you remember the MTV.
21:34
Speaker 2: After Yeah, that when he sung with Sting or Yeah
21:37
Speaker 2: I had the Sting sample in it. That's the first
21:41
Speaker 2: time I ever knew heard of him, saw him before Yeah,
21:45
Speaker 2: because I didn't really fall you know that music. I
21:47
Speaker 2: wasn't against. I just didn't follow it. And when I
21:50
Speaker 2: started to learn a little bit of the story that
21:52
Speaker 2: it was, you know, BIG's death and now he's out,
21:54
Speaker 2: thought I thought he was just capitalizing off his death. Well,
21:57
Speaker 2: I didn't think he was a part of it because
22:00
Speaker 2: I didn't know much. But I also thought like, oh,
22:02
Speaker 2: like kind of like disrespectful, like he's just capitalizing off
22:06
Speaker 2: the death. And I don't know, I just I didn't
22:08
Speaker 2: like him from that that day on.
22:09
Speaker 1: Well, I would say that that musical appearance, I would
22:14
Speaker 1: say shot him kind of through the roof as far
22:16
Speaker 1: as started. I mean, he definitely that was a good
22:19
Speaker 1: way to put it.
22:20
Speaker 2: I never heard of him, and then I heard of him.
22:21
Speaker 1: He absolutely capitalized or won or became bigger after Biggie
22:26
Speaker 1: Small's death. Biggie Smalls was the face of bad Boy,
22:30
Speaker 1: but once Biggie was gone, then Sean Combs became like
22:33
Speaker 1: a recording artist and was the face of bad Boy,
22:37
Speaker 1: and I love it. You don't look at Instagram like
22:39
Speaker 1: I do. But now everybody after this documentary has coming
22:41
Speaker 1: out like a trending reel is all these people wearing
22:45
Speaker 1: like because you know, he had like the white flowy
22:46
Speaker 1: outfit on, he had like the white shirt, like the
22:48
Speaker 1: white pants, and then he did that crazy dance when
22:50
Speaker 1: he came out on stage. Yeah, so everybody's recreating that.
22:54
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I just killed my wife and
22:56
Speaker 1: then it shows him like dancing.
22:58
Speaker 2: I agree with that. That's not funny. Am I going
23:00
Speaker 2: to find a real of you saying you just killed
23:02
Speaker 2: your husband and you're dancing. No, No, because it's not funny.
23:06
Speaker 1: You're worth more alive.
23:07
Speaker 2: So oh so it's a monetary thing.
23:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. They also allegend this documentary that he had this
23:13
Speaker 1: huge funeral for Biggie, like he made it this huge thing.
23:16
Speaker 1: And then there was an interview I think it was
23:18
Speaker 1: with his original partner at Bad Boy. I think it
23:21
Speaker 1: was with Kirk. His name's Kirk Burrows. We're gonna talk
23:24
Speaker 1: about him in a little bit, but he claimed that
23:27
Speaker 1: he made this huge funeral, this big spectacle of Biggie Smalls.
23:31
Speaker 1: But then Biggie Smalls, he said he spent so much
23:34
Speaker 1: money on it that Shawn Combs was like, well, Biggie
23:35
Speaker 1: has to pay for it himself, which I assume that
23:37
Speaker 1: means it comes out of his estate or whatever was
23:41
Speaker 1: owed to him in some way they use that money,
23:43
Speaker 1: not his own way.
23:44
Speaker 2: I say, like it was a publicity thing, like let's
23:46
Speaker 2: make a big.
23:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's move on. There were some other
23:50
Speaker 1: things that just stood out to me in this docuseriies,
23:52
Speaker 1: and one of them was also when they interviewed aubry
23:56
Speaker 1: O Day. And if you remember aubriy O Day, she
23:58
Speaker 1: was from making the band? Did you ever watch that
24:00
Speaker 1: on MTV?
24:01
Speaker 2: Off and on, you know, when I would try to
24:03
Speaker 2: find music videos and they kept throwing episodes things.
24:07
Speaker 1: So in the docu series we learned that did he
24:09
Speaker 1: send aubrey O Day a string of sexually explicit emails
24:12
Speaker 1: and images of his penis while they were filming making
24:15
Speaker 1: the band?
24:16
Speaker 3: And these are young kids? I think she was nineteen, Yeah,
24:19
Speaker 3: not underage, but young kids. Yeah, yeah, she was very
24:22
Speaker 3: young and very inappropriate. Right, he's in a way, he's
24:26
Speaker 3: their superior.
24:27
Speaker 1: Their boss, yes, right, he's in a position of power, yes, right,
24:31
Speaker 1: he's the producer he's making a band. This is danity
24:34
Speaker 1: King talk.
24:34
Speaker 2: About pressure because these girls, all these candidates are trying
24:37
Speaker 2: to become a superstar and this is their opportunity. So
24:40
Speaker 2: they are on their extreme pressure to comply.
24:44
Speaker 1: So aubry O Day reads an email that he had
24:47
Speaker 1: sent her. I was shocked, shocked.
24:51
Speaker 2: Oh you read the email? The emails known?
24:53
Speaker 1: She read it and read it. Yeah, so O'Day read
24:57
Speaker 1: some of the emails aloud, with one of them saying, quote,
24:59
Speaker 1: I make my one and do what I tell her
25:00
Speaker 1: to do, and she loves it. I just want and
25:02
Speaker 1: like to do things different. I'm a finish watching this
25:04
Speaker 1: porn and finished masturbating. I'll think of you if you
25:07
Speaker 1: change your mind and get ready to do what I say.
25:09
Speaker 2: It's a Hallmark card thinking of you.
25:11
Speaker 1: Smiley face. The email, dated March twenty third, two thousand
25:15
Speaker 1: and eight, included Comb's standard signature at the time, God
25:18
Speaker 1: Bless Diddy, God is the greatest.
25:19
Speaker 2: That's pay It is the email signature. He doesn't type
25:21
Speaker 2: it every time.
25:22
Speaker 1: No, he doesn't type it every time, but I mean
25:24
Speaker 1: you can see the irony in it, Like I'm gonna
25:26
Speaker 1: I want to do all these things to you and
25:29
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch porn. I'm going to masturbate thinking
25:31
Speaker 1: of you, smiley face, which.
25:34
Speaker 2: Was it was a colon and a parenthesis right close parentheses.
25:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't an emoji.
25:42
Speaker 2: No, And if you were savvy, you'd do a semi
25:45
Speaker 2: colon and a close prey. Yeah.
25:48
Speaker 1: Aubrey O'Day said she continually turned down comb sexual advances
25:52
Speaker 1: and was eventually kicked out of Danity Kane. I absolutely
25:55
Speaker 1: felt that I was fired for not participating sexually as
25:57
Speaker 1: she made the cut. She part of the band, She
26:00
Speaker 1: was part of the band, but then he fired her,
26:02
Speaker 1: and she's alleging, which I mean makes sense that it
26:05
Speaker 1: was because that he fired her because he was pissed
26:07
Speaker 1: because he kept coming onto her and sending her sexually
26:09
Speaker 1: explicit emails and she didn't want to have anything to
26:11
Speaker 1: do with them, and so he, you know, he fired her.
26:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ridiculous.
26:15
Speaker 1: In addition, ode read an affid David from an alleged
26:18
Speaker 1: witness to the singer being sexually assaulted by Ditty and
26:21
Speaker 1: another individual in a studio room. O'Day says she has
26:24
Speaker 1: no recollection of the assault taking place. This was really sad.
26:28
Speaker 1: I know, Aubrey. And this was really sad for me because,
26:32
Speaker 1: first of all, the emails were shocking, and I thought,
26:34
Speaker 1: what a horrible thing for a nineteen year old to
26:36
Speaker 1: have to go through. Not only are you on a
26:37
Speaker 1: reality show and you're.
26:39
Speaker 2: Talented, Yeah, you're under pressure.
26:42
Speaker 1: All this pressure.
26:43
Speaker 2: This guy that controls my band, controls my fate in
26:46
Speaker 2: what I'm pursuing, right, my passion, and now I have
26:49
Speaker 2: to like either comply and go along with this that
26:52
Speaker 2: I that is unnatural, or I have to risk getting fired. Right.
26:57
Speaker 1: So she's in this position of someone in in a
27:00
Speaker 1: position of power harassing her control sexual So this affidavit
27:05
Speaker 1: came to her through an attorney. It was another witness,
27:08
Speaker 1: so someone else.
27:09
Speaker 2: He has, Like, so she still had the email.
27:12
Speaker 1: Well, she has all the emails, yes, and she read
27:14
Speaker 1: some of them. Wow, But she also has this new
27:17
Speaker 1: affidavit because someone else is suing him civilly he has
27:22
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is currently, but I believe
27:24
Speaker 1: there's over like a hundred civil cases against him right now.
27:27
Speaker 1: And the number changes.
27:29
Speaker 2: Because not one hundred parties like a class action type no, no, no,
27:33
Speaker 2: like a hundred individual lawsuits five right, And I.
27:35
Speaker 1: Don't know the exact number, because if you watch the
27:37
Speaker 1: docu series, it's like I think, because some of them
27:40
Speaker 1: might get dismissed or some of them might get settled
27:42
Speaker 1: or something or I don't know, but they when you
27:45
Speaker 1: have that many rolling on, right, I mean, it's a lot.
27:50
Speaker 1: So someone sued him civilly for sexual something, and they
27:55
Speaker 1: included an affidavit within their lawsuit against him that they
28:00
Speaker 1: went to a party one night that they were in
28:02
Speaker 1: a house. They were walking through the house trying to
28:05
Speaker 1: find the restroom. They went upstairs in this house. It
28:08
Speaker 1: was a big house. They're walking down the hallway. They
28:10
Speaker 1: keep opening doors to find the bathroom. They opened a door,
28:14
Speaker 1: they fine, they said, She said. She opened the door
28:17
Speaker 1: and inside the room, Aubrey O Day was passed out
28:20
Speaker 1: like andebriated on the I don't know, on a floor
28:24
Speaker 1: bed I don't know. And then Sean Combs was raping
28:27
Speaker 1: her and there was another man that was doing sexual
28:32
Speaker 1: things as well. I won't go into the graphic details
28:34
Speaker 1: of it. And she writes this in an affidavit and
28:38
Speaker 1: then it gets filed. So then obviously the Affidavid gets
28:41
Speaker 1: sent to Aubrey O Day and I feel horrible because
28:44
Speaker 1: in her interview she's reading the Affidavid she had just
28:47
Speaker 1: recently gotten it, and she has no recollection of this night,
28:50
Speaker 1: of that night or that happening. Yeah. None.
28:53
Speaker 2: So that's the first time she learns about what happened
28:56
Speaker 2: to her, right.
28:58
Speaker 1: And not only is she learning about it, but she
29:01
Speaker 1: also says and that she also says, I wasn't like
29:04
Speaker 1: a heavy drinker, So it's not like I went to
29:06
Speaker 1: a party and got.
29:07
Speaker 2: I don't normally get right. I don't do that part
29:11
Speaker 2: of the plan, right.
29:12
Speaker 1: So I think if this is true, and to me
29:16
Speaker 1: it seems very true because there were a lot of
29:17
Speaker 1: details in this Avid David about and this woman at
29:20
Speaker 1: the end, I mean, she signed it under penalty of perjury,
29:22
Speaker 1: and she says she is one hundred percent certain that
29:24
Speaker 1: it was Aubrey o Day. And let's be honest, Aubrey
29:27
Speaker 1: was on TV, She's on a reality show. She's recognizable,
29:30
Speaker 1: she's very distinctive looking. You know, I knew who she
29:33
Speaker 1: was at the time. I'm just a kid that lives
29:35
Speaker 1: in Ohio.
29:36
Speaker 2: So I couldn't name anyone else from the band except
29:39
Speaker 2: for her.
29:40
Speaker 1: Right exactly. She was definitely the star standout that was
29:43
Speaker 1: very recognizable. So and then you know, she says something
29:47
Speaker 1: in the interview that was very intelligent. She says, if
29:51
Speaker 1: this is something that's made up, this is a horrible
29:53
Speaker 1: thing to do to me, you know what I mean?
29:56
Speaker 2: But if oh, either way, it's bad thrawing me in
30:00
Speaker 2: this situation where you know, it's disgusting what story you're
30:04
Speaker 2: telling about me, And if it is true, it's still
30:06
Speaker 2: disgusting that it actually happened, right.
30:08
Speaker 1: And then it puts her in a position. This was
30:10
Speaker 1: my takeaway from it because I listened to it twice.
30:12
Speaker 1: I actually went back and watched I watched her interview
30:15
Speaker 1: twice because I thought she was so intelligent and poised
30:18
Speaker 1: in what she said. And also she said, if this
30:24
Speaker 1: didn't happen, I'm put in a position where if I
30:27
Speaker 1: question it, and I questioned this person's integrity, then I'm
30:30
Speaker 1: doing a disservice to all the other people because if
30:32
Speaker 1: this person is made out to be a liar, or if.
30:35
Speaker 2: That was just misidentified her, which we think is unlikely,
30:38
Speaker 2: but if they misidentified her, now their credibility is shot right.
30:43
Speaker 1: Right, So she's I felt like she was just in
30:45
Speaker 1: a lose She.
30:48
Speaker 2: Love.
30:49
Speaker 1: I don't know what's Is there a statue of limitation?
30:51
Speaker 2: I'm rape there might be, but if she just learned
30:54
Speaker 2: about it more recently, it might be from that time
30:58
Speaker 2: that the statue imitation it starts to trigger right and
31:02
Speaker 2: the countdown begins. Well, well, I whatever it is, I
31:05
Speaker 2: hope she makes it through it.
31:07
Speaker 1: Also, let's go into I thought Kirk Burrows was a
31:10
Speaker 1: very interesting character for me on this documentary. He was
31:13
Speaker 1: one of the partners with Ditty that started Bad Boy Records,
31:17
Speaker 1: so he is splashed throughout this entire four part series.
31:21
Speaker 1: There are multitudes of interviews with him, and he's been
31:24
Speaker 1: with Ditty since day one, so I think he has
31:27
Speaker 1: I find him to be very credible because he's been
31:29
Speaker 1: there and seen at all.
31:31
Speaker 2: So.
31:32
Speaker 1: Shawn Combs and Kirk Burrows co founded the music label
31:34
Speaker 1: bad Boy Entertainment back in nineteen ninety three. The company's
31:38
Speaker 1: creation came two years after nine people died in a
31:40
Speaker 1: stampede during a celebrity basketball game that Ditty had organized.
31:44
Speaker 1: This was reported by CNN. I think we might have
31:46
Speaker 1: talked about this basketball game when we did our earlier
31:48
Speaker 1: Ditty episodes, but he organized like a basketball a celebrity
31:52
Speaker 1: basketball game, and then there were way too many people
31:55
Speaker 1: and nine people got trampled and died. And that was all.
31:57
Speaker 2: I don't remember that. We didn't talk about think we
31:59
Speaker 2: talked about it. How many people died?
32:01
Speaker 1: Nine? What Yeah? Combs allegedly gave his mother Janis seventy
32:05
Speaker 1: five percent of the company in stock and Burrows had
32:08
Speaker 1: the remaining twenty five percent to avoid being held financially
32:11
Speaker 1: responsible for.
32:11
Speaker 2: The charge love he is, Yeah, or you will die
32:16
Speaker 2: or be violated.
32:18
Speaker 1: So his partner Burrows alleges in the docuseries that Diddy
32:22
Speaker 1: did not put the company in his name in order
32:24
Speaker 1: to protect him from paying families in that tragedy that happened.
32:28
Speaker 1: And then so his mother Janis has seventy five percent
32:31
Speaker 1: of Bad Boy, and then Burrows had his twenty five
32:33
Speaker 1: percent cut. Burrows has alleged that Combs subjected him to
32:36
Speaker 1: years years of verbal, emotional, and physical abuse during their
32:41
Speaker 1: time running the company together. He claimed that nineteen ninety
32:43
Speaker 1: six did he threatened him with a baseball bat and
32:46
Speaker 1: forced him to sign over his twenty five percent ownership
32:49
Speaker 1: stake in Bad Boy Entertainment. He was later allegedly fired
32:52
Speaker 1: from the company for declining to alter Biggie's contract. After
32:56
Speaker 1: his death, Burrows said in the docuseries that he was
32:59
Speaker 1: blacklisted in industry for the next twenty five years, which
33:02
Speaker 1: I believe because I've never heard of him, and I
33:03
Speaker 1: don't think that he's been able to make his way
33:06
Speaker 1: in that industry after that. So he claims that did
33:09
Speaker 1: he threatened him with a bat took his twenty five percent,
33:11
Speaker 1: but also promised that he would give it back to him,
33:13
Speaker 1: and then never gave it back to him.
33:15
Speaker 2: He didn't keep his promise.
33:16
Speaker 1: He didn't keep his promise. So in February of twenty
33:19
Speaker 1: twenty five, Burroughs filed a lawsuit against Combs, accusing him
33:23
Speaker 1: of years of alleged predatory actions that included subjecting him
33:27
Speaker 1: to repeated sexual harassment, physical aggression, and force compliance with
33:31
Speaker 1: degrading sexual acts. According to the complaint, the alleged harassment
33:35
Speaker 1: occurred during nineteen ninety two and ninety four and escalated
33:38
Speaker 1: to physical coercion and forced submission, as well as alleged
33:42
Speaker 1: sexual abuse between ninety five and ninety six. He also
33:46
Speaker 1: claims there was an incident where Combs told him to
33:48
Speaker 1: come into his office and when he went into his office.
33:50
Speaker 1: Combs was getting like, you know, fillatio under the desk,
33:53
Speaker 1: and he did it to like make him I don't know.
33:56
Speaker 1: To me, that's a no. It's this is how sick
33:59
Speaker 1: and dimnit he that I think he uses.
34:01
Speaker 2: And you know how many other people who have been
34:03
Speaker 2: violated don't know just like she says she did not happen.
34:06
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, we'll get more into that
34:07
Speaker 1: because then there's another producer that's in the fourth part
34:10
Speaker 1: of this docuseries named Little Rod, and I feel terrible
34:12
Speaker 1: for this guy too, but I think, I mean, my
34:15
Speaker 1: takeaway is that Diddy is just a sexual deviant. It's
34:19
Speaker 1: not even like is he gay or straight or bisexual.
34:23
Speaker 1: It's just to me, it's just a diabolical way that
34:29
Speaker 1: he controls and manipulates and violates other people and by
34:34
Speaker 1: degrading them and sexually abusing them. And that's just how
34:40
Speaker 1: he controls and it's sick and demended. And you know,
34:44
Speaker 1: all these people that are in these docuseries, a lot
34:46
Speaker 1: of these people weren't involved in the trial. And I'm
34:49
Speaker 1: thinking that the trial, I feel like the prosecutors might
34:52
Speaker 1: have prosecuted him too early before they investigated enough because
34:56
Speaker 1: I feel like there's more information and there's more people,
35:00
Speaker 1: and there's more victims that are in this docu series
35:04
Speaker 1: that does more to establish a criminal enterprise or all
35:07
Speaker 1: this sexual deviant behavior, or you know what I mean.
35:11
Speaker 1: Like I felt like maybe the prosecutors prosecuted him too
35:14
Speaker 1: quickly and maybe should have spent more time collecting more
35:18
Speaker 1: evidence and more witnesses, and.
35:21
Speaker 2: They were smoking guns and they really didn't do their homework.
35:25
Speaker 1: So Kirk Burrows also separately filed a complaint against Janis
35:29
Speaker 1: That's p did his mother, claiming that she knowingly participated
35:32
Speaker 1: in the fraudulent scheme to obtain one hundred percent control
35:35
Speaker 1: of Bad Boy Entertainment, and that she carefully maintained a facade,
35:39
Speaker 1: a facade of integrity, while orchestrating the plane of financial
35:43
Speaker 1: and professional downfall behind the scenes. Both twenty five cases
35:47
Speaker 1: remain pending. Now I think this Kirk Burrows is now
35:51
Speaker 1: in a state where he's comfortable suing him and he's
35:54
Speaker 1: comfortable talking about what happened because he knows that now
35:57
Speaker 1: he'll be taken seriously. Also in the fourth part, there's
36:08
Speaker 1: someone named Little Rod who is a producer. I felt
36:11
Speaker 1: sorry for this guy.
36:12
Speaker 2: Because guy broke my heart.
36:14
Speaker 3: No, you could be a little Shane, I'd be No,
36:16
Speaker 3: I'd bet Big Rod.
36:17
Speaker 1: Oh, of course you would. Lil Rod broke my heart.
36:22
Speaker 1: So Rodney little Rod Jones alleged Combs sexually harassed, drugged,
36:25
Speaker 1: and threatened him while he worked for Combs on his
36:27
Speaker 1: Love album from September twenty twenty two to November of
36:31
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. The music producer also alleged at Combs
36:34
Speaker 1: and others that Combs hired sexually assaulted him. I guess
36:38
Speaker 1: he started out being a producer for Combs, because I
36:40
Speaker 1: think Sean Combs had some kind of like producer writing
36:45
Speaker 1: two week academy kind of thing where there were all
36:47
Speaker 1: these people in the studio and he was writing that
36:49
Speaker 1: new Love album. He had a bunch of people there
36:51
Speaker 1: and they were singing and writing, and people had all
36:53
Speaker 1: these suggestions and he didn't like any of it. And
36:56
Speaker 1: then Lil Rod was the one person who I guess
37:00
Speaker 1: he wrote something or did something that he liked and
37:03
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's it, Like that's a hit. So
37:05
Speaker 1: then he takes him, he plucks him out of there
37:08
Speaker 1: and says, okay, I want you to produce this album,
37:11
Speaker 1: and they go I believe it was to Miami, to Combs'
37:14
Speaker 1: his home in Miami to produce this album. And he's
37:16
Speaker 1: living with him in his house and every day he's
37:20
Speaker 1: waking up and he's like, and everything's recorded, all the
37:24
Speaker 1: video footage they have of all this is insane that
37:27
Speaker 1: he just records everything. But he's working on this album.
37:30
Speaker 1: He's there for like a year and a half, almost
37:32
Speaker 1: two years. They finally get this album produced. He says
37:35
Speaker 1: it takes forever. Then he's like waking up in the
37:38
Speaker 1: morning and like Combs is in bed with him, and
37:40
Speaker 1: he's and Combs is showing him porn and he's saying
37:44
Speaker 1: he's showing him gay porn and saying like you need
37:47
Speaker 1: to watch this because this is like what music is.
37:50
Speaker 1: And he's questioning everything, like how is this guy so successful?
37:53
Speaker 1: He's telling me, like, you know, we all have to
37:55
Speaker 1: be drugged and have these orgies and freak offs and
37:57
Speaker 1: watch porn, and I don't know. He ends up staying
38:00
Speaker 1: there and they get this album produced because he was
38:03
Speaker 1: promised two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and Combs also
38:07
Speaker 1: allegedly told him he was going to buy him the
38:09
Speaker 1: house next door.
38:10
Speaker 2: So it's not what are you gonna do. You're in
38:12
Speaker 2: the middle of this huge project, you're trying to get
38:14
Speaker 2: your career going right, and you're just gonna be like, Okay,
38:17
Speaker 2: this is gross and quit. I mean, that's that's hard.
38:20
Speaker 1: It is hard.
38:21
Speaker 2: I know, you don't know. Maybe it's just another month
38:23
Speaker 2: tough it out, and that ends up being six more month.
38:25
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, right, So he ends up staying
38:28
Speaker 1: through the whole thing. He he gets the album made. Finally,
38:32
Speaker 1: the album does well. I think it's it's I think
38:35
Speaker 1: it does pretty well. He never receives a dime and
38:40
Speaker 1: there's no contract in place, and he never gets payment.
38:43
Speaker 2: There was nothing written.
38:44
Speaker 1: No and no payment. He got no money.
38:47
Speaker 2: Well, and you think Sean Combs overlooked that part of the.
38:52
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's why when I saw that
38:54
Speaker 1: fourth part, it made me go back to where we
38:56
Speaker 1: were talking about the video footage and how he just
38:59
Speaker 1: has people around him doing all these jobs, but there's
39:01
Speaker 1: never contracts in place and there's never payment, and he
39:04
Speaker 1: just expects loyalty because of who he is. And so
39:08
Speaker 1: this guy, little rod Well he could did he sue.
39:11
Speaker 1: Well he did, yeah, so Rod filed. Well. I Rod
39:15
Speaker 1: filed a thirty million dollar lawsuit against Didy in February
39:18
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, accusing him of sexual misconduct and
39:22
Speaker 1: included Justin Comb's Diddy's son as a defendant. He claimed
39:25
Speaker 1: that Justin was present at a freak off. In March,
39:28
Speaker 1: a judge dismissed five of Rod's nine claims against Ditty,
39:32
Speaker 1: so he still has four open claims. So well, I
39:37
Speaker 1: hope Rod gets some kind of compensation. The guy was
39:39
Speaker 1: talking about how he missed Christmases with his kids and
39:42
Speaker 1: birthdays with his kids. I don't know they showed they
39:45
Speaker 1: showed him doing like did he doing press for the
39:48
Speaker 1: Love tour? The Love album? But he was I believe
39:51
Speaker 1: he was arrested shortly after that came out, So I
39:54
Speaker 1: think if there was success, it was very short lived. Yeah.
39:58
Speaker 1: They also interview Clayton how who was a former sex worker.
40:01
Speaker 1: In the docu series. He was a former male escort
40:05
Speaker 1: and he details his alleged encounters with Diddy and his
40:08
Speaker 1: then girlfriend Cassie. Clayton Howard claims the duo hired him
40:12
Speaker 1: to participate in days long drug fueled sex parties. Now.
40:16
Speaker 1: We talked about this when we did earlier episodes about
40:19
Speaker 1: the Freakoffs. It was really interesting to have him talk
40:23
Speaker 1: about it because he gave a lot of details he confirmed,
40:25
Speaker 1: like all the baby oil and how much did he
40:27
Speaker 1: love the baby oil.
40:29
Speaker 2: We needed confirmation about the baby saw.
40:31
Speaker 3: The picture, I know, but just hearing it from side
40:34
Speaker 3: confirmed the baby oil.
40:35
Speaker 1: Yeah. He claims that he went to see them every
40:37
Speaker 1: two to three weeks. I was involved with this for
40:40
Speaker 1: a little over eight years, so he was involved in
40:42
Speaker 1: doing these sexual freak offs for over eight years.
40:46
Speaker 2: He was he was just attending or was he They would.
40:48
Speaker 1: Fly him like wherever. I don't know where he was
40:51
Speaker 1: based out of.
40:51
Speaker 2: I mean he was he was just a guest, right
40:53
Speaker 2: he was brought in.
40:54
Speaker 1: He had sex with Cassie and he said the first time,
40:58
Speaker 1: the first encounter he had, I believed Shaw Combs came
41:00
Speaker 1: out with a T shirt wrapped around his head so
41:02
Speaker 1: he wouldn't recognize.
41:04
Speaker 2: Him around his own head.
41:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Shawn Combs watched while this sex worker had
41:09
Speaker 1: sex with Cassie, but he didn't want him to recognize him,
41:11
Speaker 1: so he had a T shirt wrapped around his head,
41:13
Speaker 1: which I don't know. I guess he could still see
41:15
Speaker 1: he have like holes cut in the T shirt. I
41:17
Speaker 1: don't know.
41:18
Speaker 2: I don't know either.
41:19
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I tell you, the more and
41:20
Speaker 1: more I.
41:20
Speaker 2: Get, probably a puff Daddy T shirt, also probably with
41:23
Speaker 2: his face on.
41:24
Speaker 1: Yeah. Howard claimed that during his first alleged freak off
41:29
Speaker 1: did he told Cassie to skip a song that was
41:31
Speaker 1: playing by Tupac. He also alleged that he spent every
41:34
Speaker 1: March ninth with Cassie.
41:35
Speaker 3: And Ditty, Get that crap out of here.
41:38
Speaker 2: And then that guy died, the one that created the
41:41
Speaker 2: playlist foul play disappeared.
41:44
Speaker 1: He also alleged that he spent every March ninth with
41:47
Speaker 1: Cassie and Diddy, which he believes was a way to
41:49
Speaker 1: commemorate the death of the notorious Big so Big was
41:52
Speaker 1: murdered on March ninth, so apparently they always had like
41:54
Speaker 1: a freak off in his honor on March ninthpect I
41:57
Speaker 1: mean as you should, right, yeah, Ring to Howard, Diddy's
42:01
Speaker 1: abusive cycle with Cassie became routine at their freak offs.
42:04
Speaker 1: Every time she got assaulted, she would run out, but
42:06
Speaker 1: she would always come back after disappearing for thirty minutes
42:09
Speaker 1: or forty five minutes. Howard recalls that Cassie would return
42:12
Speaker 1: like absolutely nothing had happened. Another moment, he describes, they
42:15
Speaker 1: started arguing and he punched her dead in the chest.
42:18
Speaker 1: She flew across the room. I said, holy shit. Howard's
42:22
Speaker 1: most disturbing recollection occurred in Miami during a sexual encounter.
42:25
Speaker 1: He says he was hired to participate and I was
42:27
Speaker 1: having sex with her when Combs gets jealous. According to him,
42:31
Speaker 1: Combs runs and jumps on top of her and then
42:33
Speaker 1: started having sex with her. I don't know. It just
42:35
Speaker 1: sounds like I don't know why this guy wanted well,
42:39
Speaker 1: and this guy that was involved with for eight years,
42:42
Speaker 1: oh you should be castrated, y his punishment for eight years.
42:45
Speaker 1: This guy is involved in this and he sees this.
42:47
Speaker 1: He must be getting paid some.
42:49
Speaker 2: To continue to be in the contract in places get paid.
42:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's paying those sex workers. I don't think
42:54
Speaker 1: he misses those payments. Doesn't He doesn't pay his like
42:57
Speaker 1: other people, like.
42:59
Speaker 2: His producers don't cut those corners.
43:01
Speaker 1: But he definitely pays his sex workers.
43:03
Speaker 2: I have a question, Yes, might be out of place,
43:05
Speaker 2: but do you think Sting regrets and performing. Holy God,
43:11
Speaker 2: because Sting I think is squeaky clean, right, Yeah, I mean,
43:14
Speaker 2: at least in the public eye. You know, he's clean,
43:16
Speaker 2: So you think he's been at a freak cough.
43:18
Speaker 1: I don't know there's a Sting video of staying at
43:20
Speaker 1: a freak off.
43:21
Speaker 2: I don't know.
43:22
Speaker 1: I don't know either, But I thought the same thing
43:24
Speaker 1: when they showed that footage of that MTV award or
43:27
Speaker 1: wherever it was where he performed that, and they show
43:29
Speaker 1: Sting standing there on the stage singing, and then you know,
43:31
Speaker 1: Diddy's jumping around in his white outphit and he's doing
43:33
Speaker 1: all those crazy dance moves. I thought the same thing.
43:35
Speaker 1: I thought. I wonder if Sting watches that now and thinks, man,
43:38
Speaker 1: I should have turned that one down. Yeah, Howard, this
43:43
Speaker 1: is the sex worker claim. His claims match up with
43:45
Speaker 1: Cassie's testimonies of these freak offs. An NBC News article
43:50
Speaker 1: reported from the Ditty trials said much of what Cassie
43:52
Speaker 1: testified to was graphic, from the sex acts with male
43:56
Speaker 1: escorts to the violence, including the fights with combs that
43:59
Speaker 1: left her covered in is. I don't know. It was
44:01
Speaker 1: sad to hear about that again. But again, you know,
44:04
Speaker 1: he also he didn't this sex worker I don't believe
44:06
Speaker 1: testified in the trial at all, which I feel like
44:09
Speaker 1: maybe he should have. It seemed like he had some
44:11
Speaker 1: very in depth knowledge, he was there.
44:12
Speaker 2: For years of knowledge.
44:13
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why he wasn't subpoena. But again, you know,
44:18
Speaker 1: it goes back to where he talks about how all
44:20
Speaker 1: these horrible things would happen to Cassie, but then she
44:22
Speaker 1: would continue to come back and acted like nothing happened.
44:24
Speaker 1: And again, I do believe that's why he was not
44:27
Speaker 1: convicted of those higher charges because the jury it was
44:31
Speaker 1: hard for them.
44:32
Speaker 2: The story that they were told or the story that
44:34
Speaker 2: they believed was she was a well.
44:38
Speaker 1: It's hard to establish that she was coerced when she
44:44
Speaker 1: comes back.
44:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that that's she kept coming back because she
44:49
Speaker 2: was coerced.
44:50
Speaker 1: I know, I get it, but I think there were
44:51
Speaker 1: times where she could have well, I don't know the
44:53
Speaker 1: time she tried to leave the hotel.
44:55
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer that people can be trapped and
44:57
Speaker 2: it's not easy to just get up and leave.
45:00
Speaker 1: Saying from a jury standpoint, it was hard to establish
45:03
Speaker 1: Rico and the other sexual charges because of the coercion,
45:08
Speaker 1: and then I think a lot of the jurors felt
45:11
Speaker 1: like it was a two way street, like she kept returning.
45:15
Speaker 1: So the jurors that were interviewed in this docuseries, they
45:18
Speaker 1: interviewed two of the jurors from the Ditty trial. In
45:21
Speaker 1: the docuseries, two jurors talked about the trial and verdict,
45:23
Speaker 1: with Juror seventy five saying he believes one hundred percent
45:26
Speaker 1: that justice was served. When discussing Ditty and Cassie's relationship,
45:30
Speaker 1: he called them overly in love and was confused by
45:32
Speaker 1: how quickly the couple seemed to reconcile. The very next day,
45:36
Speaker 1: They're getting back together and exchanging text messages like nothing
45:39
Speaker 1: ever happened. So that was, you know what I was saying.
45:42
Speaker 1: When asked by a producer if Combs was a violent person,
45:45
Speaker 1: Juror one sixty replied, based on that intercontinental video, he
45:50
Speaker 1: can be unforgivable. Honestly, you can't beat that small girl
45:54
Speaker 1: like that the way he did, but domestic violence wasn't
45:56
Speaker 1: one of the charges. Juror one sixty identified her self
46:00
Speaker 1: as someone from that generation who basically grew up listening
46:03
Speaker 1: to the music that he was involved, and you could
46:06
Speaker 1: tell she was a fan. I think they put I
46:08
Speaker 1: think they pulled those two jurors and they interviewed them
46:11
Speaker 1: for the docu series. Because the one man had no
46:13
Speaker 1: idea who Sean Combs was. You could tell he was
46:17
Speaker 1: he wasn't. He didn't listen to music in that genre.
46:19
Speaker 1: He had no idea who he was. You know. He
46:22
Speaker 1: said that he could like he had trouble convicting him
46:24
Speaker 1: of the higher charges because he felt like they just
46:26
Speaker 1: reconciled quickly, and she always came back and he made sense,
46:31
Speaker 1: like I felt like he was explained. He explained himself. Well,
46:34
Speaker 1: then the other juror, she was a super fan. There
46:37
Speaker 1: was no doubt about that. She had listened to the music.
46:39
Speaker 1: She knew all the band. She was like, I knew
46:41
Speaker 1: this band and this band and all these bands that
46:43
Speaker 1: he created. So after the documentary aired, there was a
46:46
Speaker 1: photo of a woman with Diddy from years ago that
46:48
Speaker 1: went viral, with many people mistakingly identifying her as Juror
46:52
Speaker 1: one sixty and accusing the juror of lying about not
46:55
Speaker 1: being a fan. But now a woman named Winter Mitchell
46:59
Speaker 1: Roorb has spoken out and said that she is actually
47:02
Speaker 1: the woman in the photo with Ditty and not the
47:03
Speaker 1: juror in question. She wrote on X I am not
47:08
Speaker 1: the juror. Wow, so we know that she wasn't the
47:11
Speaker 1: woman in the photo. However, I do stand.
47:13
Speaker 2: By her being a superfan, her being a superfan.
47:16
Speaker 1: I think that she was a superfan. I think that
47:17
Speaker 1: she was obsessed with Ditty. I think that she was
47:19
Speaker 1: a super fan from when she was young. She loved
47:21
Speaker 1: the music, all the band, she watched it all. And
47:24
Speaker 1: I don't know if you get an impartial juror jury
47:27
Speaker 1: when you have someone on.
47:28
Speaker 2: The jury like that, so unlikely.
47:31
Speaker 1: Then, lastly, let's just talk about Capricorn Clark. That she
47:34
Speaker 1: was Ditty's assistant for many many years, former assistant, and
47:40
Speaker 1: she also testified in the trial. Capricorn Clark, who started
47:43
Speaker 1: as Ditty's assistant before becoming the global brand director for
47:47
Speaker 1: Bad Boy Entertainment, claims that Ditty threatened her with death
47:49
Speaker 1: on her first day of the job and later kidnapped
47:52
Speaker 1: her a gunpoint to join him in an effort to
47:54
Speaker 1: kill rapper Kid Cutty. Now we talked about this in
47:56
Speaker 1: earlier episodes. If you remember kid Cutty, he was having
47:59
Speaker 1: an affair I guess with Cassie.
48:01
Speaker 2: Is that the one that was that blew up?
48:04
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then then so allegedly P Diddy went to
48:08
Speaker 1: Capricorn's house, grabbed her by a gun, put her in
48:11
Speaker 1: the car. They drove to Kid Cuddies. Kid Cutty wasn't there.
48:14
Speaker 1: I guess he said his porche on fire allegedly broke
48:17
Speaker 1: into his house. And then this jury that I was
48:19
Speaker 1: talking about that was the superfan said that she didn't
48:21
Speaker 1: find any of that believable, and I'm thinking, how how
48:24
Speaker 1: do you? How have you sat in this on this
48:26
Speaker 1: jury for all these weeks and listened to all this
48:30
Speaker 1: testimony and saw the video, but then said, you know what,
48:34
Speaker 1: There's no way that man did that because.
48:37
Speaker 2: She was just staring at him the whole time.
48:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, Capricorn Clark worked for Ditty in the early stages
48:44
Speaker 1: of his career and saw him and his brand evolved
48:46
Speaker 1: in real time. She drew an interesting analogy in the
48:48
Speaker 1: docu saries to describe him, which speaks on feeding the
48:51
Speaker 1: two wolves. I actually really liked this. I thought this
48:54
Speaker 1: was really intelligent when she said this, and it really
48:57
Speaker 1: spoke to me. Have you ever heard that analogy of
49:00
Speaker 1: the two wolves it's actually a Native American it comes
49:03
Speaker 1: from Native American mythology or something, but it's an The
49:06
Speaker 1: story goes an elder tells his grandson about two wolves
49:10
Speaker 1: fighting inside him, one representing goodness, which is love, empathy, courage, joy,
49:16
Speaker 1: et cetera, and the other wolf representing evil, which is anger, greed, fear, jealousy.
49:22
Speaker 1: The grandson asks which wolf wins at the fight, and
49:26
Speaker 1: the elder replies, the one you feed. I thought that
49:29
Speaker 1: was really interesting, and so she makes that analogy because
49:32
Speaker 1: she says that she feels like when she was his
49:35
Speaker 1: assistant and the people that were around him at that time,
49:38
Speaker 1: they knew that there were the two wolves struggling, but
49:41
Speaker 1: she says that she felt like they did. They were
49:43
Speaker 1: trying to feed the good wolf, and that's why that's
49:45
Speaker 1: when he was progressing. And that's when I guess, I
49:48
Speaker 1: don't know, but I think she feels like they were
49:50
Speaker 1: working towards feeding the good wolf to keep him on
49:53
Speaker 1: the straight and narrow. But then once she was gone
49:55
Speaker 1: and other people were involved in his life and he
49:57
Speaker 1: was surrounding himself with other people, those other people were
50:00
Speaker 1: the bad wolf, and that's when you just got an
50:03
Speaker 1: I like that analogy feeding. Oh my gosh, well, I
50:07
Speaker 1: really thought about that when I read this, because I
50:09
Speaker 1: really love this analogy, and I.
50:10
Speaker 2: Thought, I gotta come, are you feeding well?
50:13
Speaker 1: I feed both at times. I think we all do, right,
50:16
Speaker 1: But the point okay, because you're perfect, But I think
50:19
Speaker 1: the point is you said it is to focus on
50:21
Speaker 1: feeding the good wolf. Right. It's to not give in
50:24
Speaker 1: to fear and insecurity and ask.
50:27
Speaker 2: What peaceful warriors? The battles I fight are the ones
50:30
Speaker 2: on the inside on the outside.
50:33
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, I like my wolf analogy, you like peaceful warrior.
50:37
Speaker 1: But I think my takeaway from that was to wake
50:40
Speaker 1: up every day and feed the good wolf. So we
50:43
Speaker 1: will end that. We will end that episode on feeding
50:46
Speaker 1: the good wolf. That's our advice to all of our
50:48
Speaker 1: listeners out there is to wake up every day, look
50:50
Speaker 1: in the mirror, and feed the good wolf. Because nobody
50:53
Speaker 1: wants to be like p.
50:54
Speaker 2: Diddy, So don't be a diddy, don't be a ditty.
50:58
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