Latest / ACC Football Addiction (Atlantic Coast Conference) / FSU Football FIRES Athletic Director - What's NEXT for Seminoles & Mike Norvell?

Transcript

FSU Football FIRES Athletic Director - What's NEXT for Seminoles & Mike Norvell? · ACC Football Addiction (Atlantic Coast Conference)

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Come in to the power to here on college football addiction.
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: We had an entire recap show lined up for you
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: and then breaking news as Cole brought us as I
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: was trying to get the show up and going Florida
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: State making huge changes at the top.
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: Was it Andrea Adelson that reported it Cole?
• 0:21
  Speaker 3: Andrea Adelson of ESPN has officially reported that athletic director,
• 0:25
  Speaker 3: Michael Alford and the school president at Florida state have
• 0:29
  Speaker 3: been fired ahead of the week three matchup against Alabama,
• 0:33
  Speaker 3: which as TJ has pointed out, maybe the final days
• 0:36
  Speaker 3: of what we have in the Mike Norvell era.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: So, okay.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: So let's, let me clarify. It is just Alford. The
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: president was only telling Adelson.
• 0:46
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: Um, So just just Alford.
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: Not the president, which, yeah, that was confused by that,
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: because I think he's done a lot of really good things.
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's done anything that. So I was
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: confused by that.
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: We were, you know, just kind of reading quickly, literally
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: getting this news and going live, which we had a
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: bunch of recaps to do. We'll still get to all
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: of them, but we'll talk about Florida State here for
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: a few minutes and then move on to what the
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: what the weekend was like, obviously, you know. you can
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: make the best plans in the world and then, uh,
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: life happens. So, and apparently that has happened at Florida
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: state today. We are presented by prize picks. We appreciate
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: them for all of their support.
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've been talking to you guys about this.
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: We can jump right into it and you guys can
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: pound any questions off of me. I don't know why
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: I use the word pound there, but.
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to go pound a beer instead
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: of a, uh, yeah, you know what?
• 1:36
  Speaker 4: It's not am it's fine. It's celebration time.
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the, uh, YouTube rules are for
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: certain things, but we're, uh.
• 1:44
  Speaker 4: Do you have champagne? Cause I think that you can
• 1:46
  Speaker 4: celebrate with the show.
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: I'm more of a bourbon guy just to let you know.
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: So nine 17 Eastern here on the coast.
• 1:54
  Speaker 5: The cover three guys drink Modelo on their instant reaction show.
• 1:58
  Speaker 5: So I think it'd be fine.
• 1:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, just a beautiful sip in the morning to
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: realize that the days of Mike Norvell are coming to
• 2:04
  Speaker 3: an end TJ.
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: Um, Yeah, it's done.
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: I had some conversations yesterday, and I'll tell you guys,
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: just now that some of this has come out, I
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: had a video planned for Double Fries today that is
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: not going to now happen, where I blamed the athletic
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: department for a lot of things.
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: Well, at least Florida State shows that they give a
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: damn about football now.
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I've talked with you guys about this,
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: but the problems have been top-down, in my opinion.
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you this. I'll be very transparent. I think.
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: that getting a new coach and a new athletic director
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: are what's best for Florida State. I will tell you,
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: I think there are other problems at Florida State that
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: need to be resolved. I think there needs to be
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: better alignment. I think there are just structural issues. There's
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of, and this is probably not uncommon to FSU,
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of old guard that needs to.
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not wishing that people will die. But just die off.
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: You need new blood in there. And whether that's physically
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: old people dying and new people coming in, or just
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: kind of a changing of the guard, I think that
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: needs to happen in a lot of places. A lot
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: of these colleges have had a lot of success over
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: the last few decades.
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: And they have just.
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: Old leadership and old voices and old ways of doing
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: things that are not necessarily modernized, whereas, man, there are
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: probably some new programs out there that don't really have
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: that problem because they don't, you know, for instance, and
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: we don't have to go into it, you know, in
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: a lengthy way, it would not surprise me. If there
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: are some power struggle things that happen at places like
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: Alabama and LSU and just like this deep South, like
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: the rich old men have the money, have the power,
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: make the decisions. And how much do those guys want
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: to be in the middle of things? And how much
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: do they just kind of say, here's my money and
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: move on? Florida State definitely has a lot of people
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: that are too in the middle of everything that's going on. Um,
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: and they, they need to adjust some of that and
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: they need to modernize some of the ways they do things.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: All that said, I ultimately think this is really good
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: news for FSU athletics. You look at, we obviously talk
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: about football, but you just look at where Florida state's
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: athletics are overall. My buddy, Brendan Sunone over at 24
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: seven sports did a, just literally a graph and you
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: can watch the last six years of every sport in
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: FSU's athletic department, with the exception of, um, with the
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: exception of soccer, which won a national championship last year,
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: has downward declined over the last six years.
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: Well, the last six years, you've had a new athletic director.
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: And I understand that good times and bad times, but
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: for every single sport to decline over that stretch, somebody's
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: got to pay the price for that, especially when the
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: one that makes you all of your money Florida State
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: is not a basketball school. They're proud of their baseball program,
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: which has been very good for a long time. They
• 5:13
  Speaker 1: do great in softball. They've got a great beach volleyball team. Again,
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: soccer's won five, I think, since 2014 national championships.
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: They've got good programs otherwise.
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: But when the one that's not making money is failing
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: and you are letting it fail, then that puts you
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: in a tough spot as a department that needs to
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: generate more revenue. So Yeah, ultimately a good step. I
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: would expect Mike Norvell is on his way out pretty quickly, too.
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: I would not be surprised based on, one, conversations I
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: had yesterday, and then, two, this morning's news. If he
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: has not gone after the Alabama game, I could see
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: if that game was within the spread, which is 18.5.
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about it on Wednesday. If that game is
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: within the spread, you lose by 10, I could see
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: them not making a move then. But then I just
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: think his... Literally my prediction is his next, his next
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: bad loss, whether that's a bad loss to Bama this weekend,
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: obviously if you lost to central Arkansas, his alma mater, they,
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: they would make a move. Then if you lost by
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: really any amount, I think to Virginia, I think that
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: would be where they would pull the plug.
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: Now I'll say this.
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: If you beat Virginia and then beat Louisville, you start
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: to run into a, okay, what are we doing here?
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: I have no thoughts that they can beat any of
• 6:29
  Speaker 2: those teams.
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, ultimately you are, you are starting
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: over in Tallahassee and you're ripping the bandaid off and
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: starting from the top down.
• 6:37
  Speaker 2: And so that's, that's good news.
• 6:38
  Speaker 5: I think if Norville loses to central Arkansas, can they
• 6:41
  Speaker 5: fire him for cause?
• 6:42
  Speaker 4: Like, I mean, does he even do the press conference?
• 6:46
  Speaker 4: That's the big question.
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: You know, just before we go on, I will give
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: some love to our friends over at prize picks. Hopefully
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: you're enjoying this clip from the power to here on
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: college football addiction. We are only showing one game so
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: far for Friday night football, but it is Miami.
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: Against wake forest. And we got some picks for you.
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: I tease all of these.
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: So I lowered the mints of passing yards to 24.5.
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: He's hitting the more on that. I got geo Lopez
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: throwing one touchdown. So wake does score a touchdown through
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: the air against Miami. I got Malachi Tony's receiving yards
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: at 69 and a half. He's blowing that total out
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: of the water. Give me the more on that. I
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: got Mark Fletcher, 49 and a half rushing yards. Miami's
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: offense is going to feast. Give me the more on
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: that one as well. Give me all three Miami ones.
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: Give me the geo Lopez. Don't get mad at me,
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: Canes fans. For the more on touchdowns, I'll do more
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: picks throughout the week. One showing so far, but lock
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: it in early before these lines change. I'm telling you,
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: Miami's offense ain't going to be held down. Go get
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: the picks before it's too late. Use code HMA.
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: All new users who do.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: Get $ 150 in lineups instantly if they win their first
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: $ 5 lineup again on the PrizePicks app.
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: Now back to the clip.
• 7:53
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, does he do the press conference?
• 7:54
  Speaker 3: Or do you have at that point the school president
• 7:56
  Speaker 3: or whoever you will be, the interim coach, be like, guys,
• 7:59
  Speaker 3: it's done. The on-field result there was enough for us
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: to say, we can't even let him back in the building.
• 8:05
  Speaker 5: I would do an inverse Holly Rowe, Steve Sarkeesian, and
• 8:07
  Speaker 5: then I'd have Holly Rowe inform Mike.
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: Norvell that way.
• 8:13
  Speaker 5: And he was fine.
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be Holly. It would be like the,
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: not even the C-list. It'd be the D-list reporter for
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: Central Arkansas.
• 8:21
  Speaker 3: It would be somebody who works on the D crew
• 8:24
  Speaker 3: that literally has a job working in Cedar Rapids, Iowa,
• 8:27
  Speaker 3: that's doing ESPN Plus or ACC Network Plus.
• 8:30
  Speaker 4: Here's what we know.
• 8:32
  Speaker 3: When you get a new athletic director, you are starting fresh. Basically,
• 8:35
  Speaker 3: nine times out of ten, unless the athletic director is
• 8:38
  Speaker 3: retiring on their own accord. So, perfect example of this
• 8:40
  Speaker 3: is like Oklahoma. Oklahoma's athletic director, Joe Castiglione, decided to
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: step on down after this season. They get a deal
• 8:47
  Speaker 3: done in place for Brent Menables, which... I understand the
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: reasoning why he wasn't on a hot seat, but regardless,
• 8:53
  Speaker 3: he gets a new deal done.
• 8:54
  Speaker 4: That's a different case in this scenario.
• 8:56
  Speaker 3: Think of it such as a GM and a quarterback
• 8:59
  Speaker 3: in the NFL, I mean a head coach in the NFL.
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: When they go into a new program, they want their guy.
• 9:04
  Speaker 4: They want their personnel.
• 9:06
  Speaker 3: They want their person that they are leaning into to
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: be the face underneath their regime. And so the bygones
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: and the stragglers and the dwindlers that are left behind
• 9:15
  Speaker 3: are are unfortunately thrown to the door. But this is
• 9:18
  Speaker 3: not thrown to the door because it is a straggler behind.
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: This is thrown to the door because it is a
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: necessary move. Mike Norvell went about a game plan that
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: for two years worked entirely for Florida State to be
• 9:29
  Speaker 3: able to be viewed as a contender. They went big
• 9:32
  Speaker 3: in the transfer portal. They hit in the transfer portal.
• 9:35
  Speaker 3: They found talent that was able to elevate the status
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: of what they would be in the ACC with guys
• 9:40
  Speaker 3: like Keon Coleman and guys like Jared Verse. And they
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: were able to find a really solid quarterback in Jordan Travis.
• 9:46
  Speaker 3: But then, they relied so heavily on the transfer portal
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: that they missed on those players and they weren't developing
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: talent in the recruiting trail, which a lot of it
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: seemed like Miami and it seemed like Florida, to start
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: taking over the state. And ultimately, the results on the
• 9:59
  Speaker 3: field didn't help the case. You went 2-10, and then 5-7,
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: and you're well on a pathway to be 5-7 once again.
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: And you have to throw in, I think, the grand
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: scheme of the Mike Norvell tenure down in Tallahassee, which TJ,
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: you know very good damn well.
• 10:12
  Speaker 4: Before the 10-3 season, Mike Norvell was awful.
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: So it's like, it's not like we're just sitting here
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: and saying, oh, he's just been bad the last two years.
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: Mike Norvell had no life or no recollection going into
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: his tenure.
• 10:23
  Speaker 4: And then before that, it was really taggart.
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: Here's what I will tell you about that.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: I also think like where Florida State was take when
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: he took them over, it was terrible. But I, I
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: do give some grace for the fact that he won
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: three games into the COVID year, won five games in
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: the second year. They started out 0-4 that second year,
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: and then he went 5-3 down the stretch. He did
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: have two losing records, but I will say there was
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: a clear build from where he started. So the last
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: two and change years, to me, are not comparable with
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: the first two.
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: Fair.
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, and you know that I'm not sitting here
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: to give Mike Norvell a lot of grace, but I
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: will give him that grace. He was building in those
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: first two years. You started out poorly. It looked like Mario.
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: Mario went five and seven his first year.
• 11:11
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 11:12
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: And then you saw a 10-win season for Mario, and
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: then he got better and better. Well, he went five wins,
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: seven wins, 10 wins. But I'll give Mike that grace.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: It was not perfect the first two years by any means,
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: but there was a progression of increasing success.
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: But there are two things I will say about the
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: Mario tenure. Number one, the Mario tenure, you continue to
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: see progress. And I think that we're only going to
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: continue to see more progress. This is a team that
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: now in the ACC should be viewed as a favorite
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: to win the conference every single year.
• 11:40
  Speaker 4: They should be a favorite to win the college football playoff.
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: But the bigger thing is that Mario used the transfer portal.
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: For what it's supposed to be.
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: An asset to elevate certain holes on the roster without
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: taking away from the development of talent of young players.
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: It's why Miami right now is killing it in the
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: recruiting side of things. They have dominated in the standpoint
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: of being able to say, we bring talent to Coral
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: Gables to be developed underneath our regime.
• 12:06
  Speaker 4: Mike Norvell doesn't have that.
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: Mike Norvell has the transfer portal, and he used the
• 12:11
  Speaker 3: transfer portal to be able to not just back piece
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: into pieces, but to elevate the status of the entire roster.
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: And there were moments where it hit, and there were
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: moments where it didn't. And recruiting has not been up
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: to the same par. So to me, when you look
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: at the losing record and the downward spiral over the
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: last three seasons, and the inability to be able to
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: win when it comes to recruiting talent, Guys, you have
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: to change up your philosophy. And if you don't want
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: to believe me on that one, think about this for
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: a second. We had one losing season of Dan Mullen.
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: One losing season of Dan Mullen. And the guy didn't
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: want to recruit. And he was not recruiting in the SEC.
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: And they said, okay, we're done.
• 12:48
  Speaker 4: We're moving off and we're getting Billy Napier to come
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: on in.
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: If you don't want to do half of the job
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: in today's day and age, and you're trying to find
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: cheat codes or shortcuts to be able to build your roster,
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: then you better have the results on the field. And
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: if you don't, this is what happens. Athletic directors are
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: fired and new head coaches are brought into play.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: You're exactly right about the way that Mario built.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: Mario used the portal as a band-aid to help to start,
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: and now he uses it very selectively. Mike tried to
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: build his roster that way and refused. Well, I don't
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: know if refused is the right word because they were
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: in for a lot of elite guys, but they couldn't
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: land them, right?
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: Always the bridesmaid, never the bride type thing.
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if he, I think half of
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: it was like an over-reliance and then half of it
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: was like, he couldn't get high school recruits to say yes.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: So wherever that falls on the spectrum of like, can
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: you do it or are you refusing to do it or,
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: or whatever? Yeah.
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: Like it was a very different strategy that went about it.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, they Norvell and we'll diagnose
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: his tenure hopefully next Monday when this is done or Sunday.
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: But Norvell, He became a.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: I forget the name of the phrase or whatever it is.
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: Not a scapegoat, but.
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: Well, no, you become a product of your own success.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: You become a failure because of your own success. The
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: portal works too well for him in those couple of
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: years that it worked really well, that it was like, oh, shoot,
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: this is always going to be... This is always going
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: to be what we've got going. This is great news.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: It almost.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: it almost like needed to fail a little bit for
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: him to where they just went like eight, nine wins
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: instead of 10 or 13 so that he could see like,
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: Oh no, we actually have to do this the right
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: way because they went three wins, five wins, 10 wins,
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: 13 wins.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: If they had just gone three, five, eight, nine, no,
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: he wasn't getting fired.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: Like that's a, that's a slower, but a very clear progression,
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: but it might've emphasized like, yeah, you got to recruit
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: through you.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: You can get good in the portal.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: You'll never get great in the portal, but, It might
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: have actually helped him had they not had the success.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: But once they had the success in the portal, you know,
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: obviously he was like, oh, shoot, I can just do
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: this all day, every day. So but ultimately, you know,
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: I do think this is good for FSU. Like they
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: it seems like they give a damn about football at
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: this at least this morning.
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: You know what happened?
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: Mario Cristobal went in and used the bandaid method, as
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: you said, for the recruiting. Florida state went into the
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: doctor in need of brain surgery and they slapped on
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: some gauze and a bandaid and said, that'll do.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: There you go. Go back out into society. People like that,
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: like that was it.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Any overarching thoughts, questions, comments. And if not, we will.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: When do you set, when is the fire date? I
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: guess is the question.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: Do you believe it will come on Sunday or do
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: you think it will be after the central Arkansas performance
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: or what?
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think they'll do it after a win against
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: central Arkansas. If, I think if Bama covers the spread.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: It happens on Sunday.
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: I'm going to say the Virginia game.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I think it'd be difficult to do it. I mean,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you're going to do
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: it anyway. To me, there's no reason not to just
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: do it this morning. If you want to not interrupt
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: prep of a game week where you're a three-score dog,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: then I guess that's important.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: You are dealing with other things. I don't know... this
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: season they punted on anyway.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: That's to me, that's part of why this needed to
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: happen and why, you know, Michael Alford, in my opinion,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to give him a lot of grace
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: on this either. But in my opinion, Michael Alford should
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: not have been allowed to make the decision to bring
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Mike Norvell.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Back like that.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: And that's why I say, I think Florida state has
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: bigger structural issues than just an AD and a coach.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Everyone in the world could see the way that this
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: thing was trending. And so to bring him back, for
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: this year and punt on this season, you know, tell
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: your fans to basically eat a shit sandwich is the
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: way I've been saying it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Is disrespectful to the fan base.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: And I think that's why Florida State has bigger leadership
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: problems than just the AD and the president, or I'm sorry,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: just the AD and the coach.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: And so I wonder a little bit about the.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Just is a new AD as a new coach going
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: to help that said, if you're going to do it anyway,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I think firing Norvell today or
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: after Bama would just be throwing a bone to your
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: fan base. Like it would just be like, okay, you
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: guys want this. We're going to do it eventually. Let's
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: just get it over with now so that you can.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: enjoy the rest of the season. We won't have to
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: have booze. When we play central Arkansas at home, we
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: can just enjoy football. It won't be very good football
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: at the same time. I don't think that firing Norvell,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: as long as the locker room is still bought in, right?
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: That that's probably the big caveat, but, I don't think
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: firing Norvell today increases your chances of wins down the road.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: No, it's a lawsuit.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: So if your justification as an administration at this point
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: is like, hey, we're going to keep Mike for a
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: few more games to kind of keep the team engaged
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: and give us a better chance to win a few games,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. It is very clear what's happening.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Mike Norvell will not be the coach in Tallahassee. Watch
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: him go beat Alabama now that I've.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Said all this stuff. Oh, don't worry.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, trust me.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's, it's, it's poetic that Alabama's defense showed
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: up in the second half only for Mike Norvell and
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Ashton Daniels to come on.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: But if you're Florida state, I think that's why you
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: should probably do it today.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Just in case that was to happen, you know, like,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: you know, like, cause if they, if they beat Bama
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: on Saturday, could you imagine going into Tuscaloosa and beating
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Bama and then they fire him Sunday anyway, like, because
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: that's coming. That would be, I mean, Jimbo got fired
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: after a win. So it would be the wildest thing ever.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: But how do you fire?
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: Billy got fired after a win last year.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. How do you fire a coach after a three?
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: He's a three score dog and he goes in and
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: wins on the road. And then you fire him the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: next week.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: You take a dog.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, I hate to be, I hate to use
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: this scenario. I do.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: But you let a dog go out on a high note,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: let him eat chocolate for the first time and then.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Put him to sleep. Same thing.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: It's a horrible theory, but like sometimes going out on
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: the highest of levels, it's the best way to do it.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: It's just an awful thing to say this early in
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: the morning.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: We got, listen, the bourbon is flowing through us. I'm
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: getting a second wind from DJ. That's what it is.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: It's the alcohol talking.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: To cap this off, one of my favorite quotes about
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: college athletics, I believe it's credited to Scott Barnes, who's
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: the AD at Oregon State nowadays. Athletics are the front
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: porch of the university. It's not the most important room
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: in the house, but it is the most visible. Florida
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: State sports have been declining for quite some time. So
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: this move makes a lot of sense. And it's not
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: just about football. It's trying to monetize. And I know
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: people don't like to talk about that this time of year.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: It's like, hey, there's games. Let's talk about the games.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: But you have to be able to make money off
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: your major sports, football, basketball. Volleyball has become a lot
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: more lucrative. Wrestling has become much more lucrative as time
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: has gone on. So Florida State's got to correct those things.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: And they have the potential to do all these things.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: I've said for a long time, this is a blue
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: blood program. This should be a desirable job. Right now,
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: it's not. Does this go to Tom Herndon? just to
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: finish out the year and then you clean house in
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: the offseason? You really have to regroup. I think it's
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: going to be a coveted job. And Florida State's future
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: is going to hinge on what this next hire is.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Without a doubt, it'll be fun. We'll continue to talk
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: about it. Sorry that that segment was probably all over
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the place. We got the news as we were going live.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: DJ's been drinking, and he's been home.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, I guess I got to change
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the thumbnail around.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: All right, what we actually showed up to talk about today,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: we appreciate all those that tuned in, and maybe that's
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a good segue into, if you're not already subscribed, make
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: sure that you are.