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What Happened to Churches in Australia and America? · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey, guys, welcome to the show.
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  We're going across the pond for this one today to Australia.
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  We have got a brother, Dean Dwyer, and he served for over 20 years as pastor and president
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  of Iser Street Baptist Church in Toowoomba, Australia.
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  And you can go to the website if you want to check out Dean Iser Baptist Church dot com
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  Iser spelled E-I-S-E-R street.
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  Pastor Dean has been a co-founder of Sound the Alarms Ministries.
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  We're going to talk a little bit about that.
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  And that seeks to highlight how current events play into Bible prophecy.
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  The minister was formed in response to the craziness of COVID.
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  And everything that was perpetrated on Australian shores, we've saw that world wide pretty
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  much as well.
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  But now they've pivoted a little bit from being COVID focused to an overall ministry focused
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  on speaking the truth to a deceived culture.
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  Dean Dwyer, welcome to World View Matters, good to see you, brother.
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  Get out of the land down under.
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  How are you, David?
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  I'm doing great.
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  I know there's a time difference.
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  Thank you for waking up early with us.
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  I told you before we started, you can't tell.
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  So you must have had a good night's sleep.
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  So thank you, brother.
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  Yes, it's very early here.
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  But I said to my wife, if I was going to get up early for anything, it would be to talk
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  about God, Bible prophecy, and to talk to David Fia Raza.
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  Oh, my goodness.
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  I'm, I'm, that's a pretty big list there that I'm hard on, so blessings, brother.
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  So yeah, let's tell a little bit about how we connected.
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  And I have been reading your articles for quite some time over at HarbingersDaily.com.
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  And you've got a page over there at HarbingersDaily and you put out some great articles.
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  We're going to get to some of those in another show with you because we're going to have
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  Dean back next week.
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  And we're going to talk to him again on a couple of his recent articles.
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  But Dean, share a little bit how we connected and just give our audience a little idea of
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  how we actually connected here.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  I mean, as I've said to you, David, you've been great for my ministry.
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  You've been edifying and I've appreciated that very much.
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  A couple of years ago when we all went through this crazy COVID period, there was a period
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  there where the Aussie Church was really languishing.
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  And we were copying a fair bit of heat from the public.
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  So a lot of the public in Australia, we're looking to the church, looking for leadership
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  because the Australian people were being tyrannised, they were just under the heavy
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  hand of government during that time.
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  So I was criticised on social media.
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  And so I thought, okay, now's the time to really reach out to like-minded people.
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  And I remember one day I was outgoing for a walk and I started to look further afield overseas
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  in terms of trying to find other people, like-minded people who could minister to me,
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  that could help me to surround me with other people who would be bold enough to stand up
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  until the truth of what's happening.
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  And so David, I came across your name, providentially, some would say by accident, but I say providentially.
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  And that was a wonderful thing.
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  Came across your name and I started listening to you and I thought, wow, this guy is fantastic.
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  He's speaking truth, he's speaking biblical truth, he's not afraid to tackle issues head
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  on.
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  And I started listening to you, started reading about you.
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  And my connection with Harbinger's Daily is actually as a result of you as well because
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  you spoke about Harbinger's.
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  And so I thought, wow, this is a great ministry.
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  So I started to read a lot of the material on Harbinger's Daily as well.
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  And you'd mentioned that you had just been made a trusted ministry at Harbinger's Daily.
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  And I thought, wow, is that open for everybody?
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  So I'd reached out to them and praise God, this is where the connection forms.
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  So David, I must thank you in person for being such an integral part of that connection
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  with Harbinger's Daily because they've been a great blessing for our church because
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  we've met so many people in Australia that read Harbinger's Daily that we've been able
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  to connect with in our local area.
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  Oh, my goodness.
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  I'm so thankful for them, Steve.
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  Shout out to Steve and Brianna and the gang over there at Harbingers.
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  They operate out of Canada.
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  And so we kind of got three countries connecting here in the spirit, so to speak, Dean.
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  I just want to share briefly, I was going through a time, I read around 2020 when the
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  COVID craziness was going on.
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  And I don't remember how did I find out about Liberty Pastors, LibertyPastors.com, Paul
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  Blair, Dan Fisher, Steve Smotherman, Trevor Loudon, Alex Newman, so many other pastors
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  and other speakers that were bold talking about globalism, talking about Bible prophecy,
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  talking about culture, talking about politics, moral issues that we've been told were political,
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  but there are moral issues, friends like, anyway, I don't want to go down that road.
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  But I was feeling kind of like a lone ranger there, I think at the time I was an associate
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  pastor at a church, and there weren't that many people in our area here that I could relate
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  to.
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  Like you said, you were sharing earlier, you were going, wow, I wish I could find some
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  people, iron sharpens, iron, right?
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  Absolutely.
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  And we are like-minded, kindred spirits, and when I went to that conference, it was a catalyst
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  in my life, and I wrote about it in one of the chapters in my book, my previous book,
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  Hanson and Christianity.
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  But Dean, I want to get to your story.
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  We also wanted to ask you a little bit about sound the alarms.
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  So you said you started during the COVID craziness, and now it's taken a little transformation.
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  So tell us about soundthealarms.com.
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  Yeah, so sound the alarms.
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  Formed during COVID, a lot of your viewers would probably be familiar with how heavy-handed
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  our government was.
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  So the government really pushed the shot, they made it as mandatory as possible.
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  And so the uptake rate, because they locked people out of cafes, they locked them out
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  of theaters, restaurants, they made life so difficult for people and tried to force them
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  into taking the experimental gene therapy.
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  And so because the public was crying out for leadership in this area, we decided that
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  we would get together, a group of us from our local church, and start sound the alarms.
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  And the name sound the alarms actually comes from the book of Joel.
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  And if you're familiar with Joel, chapter two, verse one, it refers to blow the trumpet
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  in Zion sound the alarm.
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  And so that's where the name was born, because it goes on to talk about warning that the
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  day of the Lord is at hand.
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  So the ministry, although in the early stages, was really focused on COVID and trying to combat
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  a lot of the misinformation that was coming from the government, it is now pivoted because
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  we see so many different areas where we need to sound the alarm, particularly as we see
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  the approaching tribulation period, because we really are living in perilous times.
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  And unfortunately, most people are really asleep to the fact that God's wrath is going
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  to fall upon this earth.
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  But there is a savior, His name is Jesus Christ.
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  And judgment is coming.
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  It is.
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  I mean, in some form or fashion, some people believe God's judging in different ways.
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  Our country, you know, here in the States, we've fallen away big time.
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  There is a remnant of solid Bible believing pastors and teachers and Christians.
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  But I'll tell you, we've got our work cut out for us because it is so dark nowadays because
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  we've been silent too long.
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  So Dean Dwyer, tell us a little bit about the Australian church.
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  Give us a little feel for what being a Christian, there are Bible believing Christian is like
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  in Australia and how you got to where you are.
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  Yeah.
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  So you're right in terms of what you say with God judging in this current age.
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  And most people misunderstand God's judgment.
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  God's judgment can involve just handing people over to their own devised mind.
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  And so if you look at the concept of Romans one, we see in there in particular, we see God says He
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  hands them over to a devised mind.
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  And in the Greek, that is the word adochymos.
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  And essentially, it means it's a disqualified mind.
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  So it is no longer a mind fit for purpose.
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  God made it in order to think great and glorious thoughts about Himself to seek Him and to learn ways of righteousness and holiness.
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  And unfortunately, because mankind has sought after perversion, God has handed them over.
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  And this is a disqualified mind.
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  And unfortunately, these people are leading our governments.
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  They're leading our school boards, they're leading our libraries.
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  And so people with a disqualified mind are leading society.
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  And unfortunately, church leaders are sitting back allowing this to happen.
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  So the Australian church, I describe it probably in four ways.
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  We have the dead, the dying, the divided and the dedicated.
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  And so they pretty much speak for themselves.
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  So the dead are obviously the spiritually dead.
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  You know, they're the ones that are ritualistic in their worship.
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  There's not too much life about them.
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  We see a semblance of form about them, but there's no power, there's no hope, there's no future.
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  And so they just go about their worship in an empty way without offering any hope for the Australian people.
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  Then you have the dying and these are the ones that probably did have life about them,
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  but are slowly dying because there's a lack of power in their Christian life.
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  And in some ways, I like to refer to these people as spiritual mannequins,
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  because you see, you know, mannequins in a store window, they look like they're human,
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  but they can't speak.
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  And so the Australian church in some respects is like that.
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  And this applies globally as well.
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  That's there are many spiritual mannequins that look like a church,
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  but they don't have life in them.
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  And most importantly, because a mannequin can't speak,
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  the Australian church isn't speaking either.
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  Unfortunately, it's not touching on a lot of the current events that we see throughout the world.
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  It's not touching on things happening in Israel.
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  It's not happening.
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  It's not touching on things that are occurring in Bible prophecy,
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  which speak of the fact that God's judgment is about to fall upon this earth.
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  And you have the divided, unfortunately, Australia is a divided church as well.
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  Same as America, go ahead, Dean.
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  Absolutely.
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  And, you know, I think you've got division along theological lines.
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  You know, that's natural because you've got so many denominations.
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  But we see a sense and we get a sense of the globalist elites
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  will be reaching into Australia as well, trying to divide,
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  particularly as we see Marxism continue to infiltrate our politics as well.
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  We have a political system which is very left leaning at the moment.
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  We have a political system quite different to America where you have
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  predominantly a two-party system.
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  We have a two-party system where there's two major parties and a number of minor parties.
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  But aside from some conservative minor parties,
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  unfortunately, Australia is very left leaning.
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  And so the church has also headed in that direction as well.
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  So there's a lot of division in there.
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  But then as you touched on, we have the dedicated.
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  And this is the remnant part of the church.
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  They're the people like yourself, like your viewers,
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  like the people who sit in our queues.
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  They're really awake to what's going on.
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  They're eager to know about what's going on.
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  And they're looking.
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  They're looking, learning, watching,
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  and paying attention to what's happening throughout the world.
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  We've got to take a break now, but we are speaking with Pastor Dean Dwyer.
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  And before we do, when you were explaining these churches,
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  the dead, the dying, the divided, and the dedicated,
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  I thought about Revelation 2 and 3 and how Jesus rebuked
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  five of the seven churches in Asia and Minor.
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  And I want to just read from Revelation 3 verse 2, verse 1 and 2.
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  It says, he who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars says this,
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  I know your deeds that you have a name,
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  or you have a reputation that you're alive, but you are dead.
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  Jesus is speaking to a Christian church, wake up and strengthen the things that remain
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  which were about to die for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of my God.
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  Remember what you have received and heard and keep it and repent.
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  Again, friends, he's speaking to Christians, believers to the church,
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  repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief and you will not know at what hour
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  I come to you and then it goes on.
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  But friends, we'll be right back with Dean Dwyer on World View Matters.
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  Pastor Dean Dwyer is with us and his home is Australia.
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  He is in Toowoomba, Australia.
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  And you can get all of his writings at harbingersdaily.com.
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  If you go to the left hand column there, you'll see a lot of the ministries,
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  a lot of the people that write for harbingers.
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  And he's smack in the middle of some of the most to me,
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  impressive names in the Christian Evangelical Christian community that are speaking the truth.
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  And we're going to talk about Bible prophecy coming up.
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  But Dean, I wanted to ask you, I'm sure you've written about this.
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  I just really enjoyed those four things because I'm kind of simple and when you start things
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  off in a bullet point list, it really makes sense as far as the church, the dead, the dying,
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  the divided and the dedicated. Have you written in depth about that?
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  I'm sure you have, but has it been a while or what?
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  It comes from a sermon actually and I'm glad you touched on Revelation 3 because that's exactly
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  where the inspiration came from. Jesus, as you said, was speaking to the church at Sardis.
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  And I think that fundamentally the problem with many Christians today is that they don't look
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  at the book of Revelation. Many see it as allegorical and so many don't know how to read it,
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  understand it, apply it to their life. But the seven letters to the churches in Revelation are so
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  important and they're very telling for where we're at. We know that we're at the layer to see in
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  ear a church, unfortunately, and we see that throughout the world in the church. And we know
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  that the description is, I wish you either hot or cold, but you look warm. And so we see that very
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  much in the Australian church as well. Not all throughout the Australian church. We have some
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  wonderful remnant pastors, preachers and Christians in Australia, but they are very few and far
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  between unfortunately. You will shout out to Leo to see you there and sometimes I look at the
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  American church. I'm going, wow, that's us. Lukewarm, silent and another fascinating verse there.
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  Again, Jesus speaking to the churches, to Christians and in Revelation 320, what is Jesus,
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  the Lord and Savior? They head of the church, Dean Dwyer. What is Jesus doing? He's standing
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  outside the door of the church, knocking. That is such a sobering thought. And that was in
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  the early church. In those days, there were still perhaps eyewitnesses to the resurrection
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  of Jesus or at least eyewitnesses to some of the disciples and apostles. And it wasn't that long
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  into the church history there. And there are still people that were Lukewarm and they needed to
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  repent. And so there's nothing new under the sun just like that today. There are people that are
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  Lukewarm in Australia, America that need to repent. And I'm not talking about people outside the
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  church. What are your thoughts before we move on, Dean? Because I have always found that to be
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  fascinating. People try to use that as an evangelical verse to get people saved. But that's to the church.
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  Yeah, it absolutely is. And I've been sighted people and you touched on it earlier when you talk
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  about strengthening what remains. And that was that passage you read before the break. And I often
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  say to people, if you really want to strengthen your faith, there's an obscure book that I send people
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  to. And that's the book of Nehemiah. And people often say, well, why should I read Nehemiah? Why should
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  I read about rebuilding walls or to rebuild my faith? But as we know, Nehemiah is not just about
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  walls. It's about rebuilding the people. It's about strengthening and rebuilding their faith.
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  And I'll tell you four points that we can learn from these four key characteristics from that time.
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  Number one, they had a mind to work. And you and I, David, know just how much work it takes
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  in ministry. A lot of sacrifices, a lot of work. So you've got to have a mind to work. You've got to
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  have a heart to pray. And that's an important one as well. I think prayer is really lost in
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  modern Christianity, particularly in some churches. You know, there's more time devoted to
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  announcements, unfortunately, than prayer. So we really need to get back into our prayer lives.
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  Number three, they had developed an eye to watch. And we've been touching on a series, I've been
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  doing a series for over a year now called What Does The Watchman Watch? And what we're
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  sort to do in that series is just really highlight particular areas that we need to be focused on,
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  that perhaps some people in the church have overlooked so that we can direct their focus in
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  particular ways to make sure that we're across the full spectrum of Bible prophecy.
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  And as you touched on, they also developed an ear to hear. And that is really, really important
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  because as you said, in the letters to the seven churches in Revelation, what does it say?
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  He that has an ear, let him hear what the spirits say to the churches. And as you said,
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  Jesus Himself said, behold, I stand at the door and knock. And if anyone hears me,
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  are we hearing the Lord Jesus at the moment? That's the question for the church.
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  Wow. I like those. And man, you brought Nehemiah. So we can't move on. We've got to talk about Nehemiah a
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  little bit more because one of my favorite chapters in Nehemiah is I meant, you know, the beginning,
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  you know, he prays and he goes to the king, the king grants him favor, go rebuild or go check out
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  Jerusalem. He goes and his massive undertaking of finding, getting the people and organizing that
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  rebuilding of the city walls around the entire city. But in Nehemiah 4, when the people were
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  intimidated, there were mockers. There were people trying to instill fear in the people to discourage
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  them from doing the work of God. And how applicable is that to our lives? If that Satan has success in
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  discouraging your eye from doing God's work, he's won the battle. He doesn't have to fight. He
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  just mocks and tries to discourage us. But what did they do? It gets to the point where the people
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  are ready to fight. They're working with one hand and they're holding a sword or a weapon with
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  the other. That is one of the most fascinating parts of belief, I believe in Nehemiah 4, at least,
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  where they're literally, they're ready for the warfare. What happened when they were working
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  and ready to fight holding the sword? The enemies got discouraged. The enemies. They said,
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  we're not going to attack now because the Jews were on alert. You mentioned Watchmen on the wall,
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  sounding the alarm. They were ready. I just found that to be fascinating. Before we move on, Dean,
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  just your thoughts on that. Yeah, absolutely. The other key characteristic of that time as well was
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  that Nehemiah really put forward the importance of fighting for someone close to you. So he would
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  put family groupings together. Because what that encouraged was that if you're looking to your mother,
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  your brother, your sister, your husband, your wife, who's right next to you, you're going to fight
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  for them if you see the enemy coming. And so unfortunately, too often, we have these lone
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  ranger Christians who think they need to be out there fighting the battle for themselves. Now,
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  sometimes that's by product. You mentioned that in the opening. That sometimes you feel like you're
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  alone. But this is the importance of fellowship, particularly in these end days that we really need
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  together around like-minded believers to look at the ones we love to fight for them. Because you know,
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  Satan wants to divide, he wants to discourage, he wants to destroy. And so we really need to gather
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  our family closely and remember who we're fighting for and remember who we're worshiping.
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  And the fact that we have a victorious Christian life. But the fifth and probably the most important
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  aspect in Nehemiah's day was that they had a godly man who stood up and pointed the way.
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  And that is so important. It's so important in our churches. It's so important in our communities.
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  We need please. We need godly men. Stand up. Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid of the enemy. Stand
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  up boldly, courageously. Fight for truth. Fight for your family. Fight for righteousness.
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  Leaders need to lead. Oh my goodness. A good word, Dean. So when we do another show with you,
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  we're going to be talking about a couple of your articles over at Harbinger's Daily. And friends,
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  I just encourage you to go to check out his material. We've got five minutes left. But go to Harbinger's
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  Daily.com. Get caught up with some of Dean's articles. And also all what they're the latest from
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  Israel and the Middle East and the war. But Dean, you mentioned in an email to me. I didn't
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  remember this. Australia, you said, was instrumental in the rebirth of the modern state of Israel.
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  Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, absolutely. Australia is an interesting case in that whole
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  drama. And in Australia, we often shorten the name Australia to Oz. And interestingly in Hebrew,
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  the word Oz means strength or might. Now, Australia might not be strong and mighty nowadays because
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  it's caved to some social justice movements, the Marxist ideologies. But you go back a hundred
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  years ago or more. And we're about to celebrate another anniversary of this key battle. And that was
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  the 31st of October, 1917. And this was a great battle at Besheba, which is in southern Israel. So
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  this was, I believe, the last charge of a light horse brigade, which had overcome some entrenched
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  Ottoman Turks there. And so on this particular day, there were 800 horsemen up against overwhelming
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  odds. But by God's providence and grace, they had gout forward that overrun the positions,
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  many machine gunners, many other infantry troops there. And that was instrumental then in
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  turning the war. And we know that two days after that, two November, 1917, we have the beginnings of
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  the Balfour Declaration. And I'll read a quote from Benjamin Netanyahu because on in 2017,
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  when we had the 100 year anniversary of the battle at Besheba, Benjamin Netanyahu spoke at a
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  commemorative ceremony there and he said this, nearly 4,000 years ago, Abraham came to Besheba,
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  the city of Seven Wells. Exactly 100 years ago, brave Anzac soldiers liberated Besheba
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  for the sons and daughters of Abraham and opened the gateway for the Jewish people to re-enter
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  the stage of history. So that's a wonderful endorsement. Now, Aussie soldiers, I read a lot of
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  military history. And now, Aussie soldiers in World Wars I and II were very much lauded for their
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  bravery and courage. And as we read about, very instrumental then in freeing Besheba and
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  turning the the war. There's so much history that either we don't know or we have forgotten.
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  And you know what they say about those who are those who what is it those who don't remember
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  history are doomed to repeat it or those who forget history. So it's sad and we're going to talk
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  next time with you Dean about what's going on in Israel and Middle East today and maybe get caught
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  up a little bit on that. We'll talk about your articles as well. But I just want to mention
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  your website again for the church. If anybody's listening over there watching in Australia, it's
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  isrstreetbaptistchurch.com EISERST that's isrstreetbaptistchurch.com and you can get Dean's info at
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  Harbinger's Daily. Dean, as we close this out, there's a lot happening in the world. There's a lot
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  of potentially for believers even discouraging or overwhelming events, world events. God's
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  not surprised. He's still on his throne. We still have the gospel of hope to share with people.
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  So just your encouragement to our viewers before we wrap it up with you. Yeah, absolutely. Adrian
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  Rogers who remember Adrian was a great American preacher. One of my favorites. He used to say that
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  we ought to be living as if Christ died yesterday, rose this morning and is coming again this afternoon.
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  And so I think if every believer lived with that in view, we would have a much greater impact
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  throughout the world. But I just want to encourage people and say we've always got to be looking up
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  because I think as Tom Hughes recently said, if we have a vertical uplook, then that takes away
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  the horizontal panic. If we look around, then we are going to get discouraged. And this is
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  what Satan does. He wants to bring division. He wants to bring discouragement. He wants to bring
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  destruction. So it makes us think that God doesn't have everything under control. But God does have
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  everything under control. He's sovereign. We can rest in him. We can have faith in him. He's going
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  to sort all of this out. And it's going to be a wonderful time when the Lord Jesus Christ comes back
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  to rule and reign in the millennial kingdom. Praise God. I've encouraged that if we have a vertical
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  uplook, we won't have the horizontal panic about what's going on. I love that. So I'm still looking
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  forward to talking with you again next week. Dean, I really appreciate your time. It's great to
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  connect. What a great connection from here to Australia. So God bless you brother. We'll talk soon.
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  Amen. Thank you, David. All right. Well, guys, tomorrow we've got Pastor and Dr. Andy Woods on
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  the show. And we're going to be talking about the Islamic invasion, the land over there in the
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  Middle East, the lies about Israel and the Middle East melt down with Andy Woods. Thanks for
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  watching for sharing. We appreciate your donations. Of course, we are thanking for your prayers.
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  God bless you. And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.