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Would you trust a lawyer with face tattoos? · Unbilled & Unfiltered's Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to Unbuild and Unfiltered.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today we're talking about all things taboo tattoos, building your personal brand and breaking professional stereotypes.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're joined today by Connor O'Dell, a practicing convenencer and 2025 winner of the One to Watch Convencer Year.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: Connor, thank you so much for joining us today.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, first question.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's the biggest misconception that people have about you before you've even opened your mouth?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think the um elephant in the room is the tattoos plastered across my face.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't think anyone would assume that I'm a lawyer before I start speaking.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: And don't think people assume have a job.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have you found that when people speak to you?
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: So you can always see that there's a uh surprise across people's face when I mention that I'm a property lawyer.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess it's it's my job to change that perception with my words.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: And as you said, it's no secret that you do have a large number of tattoos, including the ones on your face.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: When did you get all of the tattoos and how many do you have?
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  SPEAKER_01: So funny story is actually for my last firm that I worked for, on my interview day, I had one tattoo.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was on my hand.
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  SPEAKER_01: And during the interview, I actually covered it up with a bandage so that nobody would see it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then eight years later, I'm at the same firm walking in with tattoos across my head.
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  unknown: Oh my god.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did anyone comment on them as you sort of came in with all these gradual tattoos appearing?
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: I walked down the aisles between the cabinets.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, and no one actually mentioned anything, no one said anything directly to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: HR didn't pull you in for a minute.
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  SPEAKER_01: No HR meetings.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: There might have been some whispers between each other about whether I should be pulled into a HR meeting, but um no, I think that was generally generally quite accepting.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: And did you say, so what was the role that you were going for when you first joined that firm?
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was um assistant paralegal, assistant case handler, I might have been called, but yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So entry role.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and the tattoos on your face, again, no one they were happy with.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think I had to get the tattoos at the sort of the the next level of visibility as my career progressed.
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  SPEAKER_01: So until you reach a certain level, you're not allowed to sort of activate hands and then you have to be too good to get rid of before you get to face tattoos.
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  SPEAKER_00: You just secured your position before it's like right, how far can I really test the boundaries there?
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, did anyone tell you that you could be potentially damaging your career, future career, or sort of causing any limitations by getting all of the tattoos?
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I think probably the the person that said that the most is my mum.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the initial reaction, she's she she definitely tried to talk me out of out of it a fair few times.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, initial reactions.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, mummy, it was a question.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, so in terms of like the limitations, did anyone tell you that you know you're gonna be potentially ruining a future career working in law, the legal industry if that's something that you want to go into?
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think there definitely were people that said that I'd be sort of creating barriers to next levels and how would clients feel about it, what would the reactions be?
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  SPEAKER_01: Which I I think I had to see that side of the coin, that it does prevent certain reactions from clients, and there's different calibres of different clients and different perceptions of what they think someone with tattoos would be like, whether they're trusting enough to let them look after the biggest transaction of their life.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, right, okay, people assume confidence comes naturally when you look yourself unapologetically, and but often confidence will come with a story behind it, I feel.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: Where does your confidence stem from and does it differ online to in person?
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think yeah, you're probably right, it does differ a bit online.
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  SPEAKER_01: You almost create a bit of a persona, don't you, and it doesn't necessarily match exactly how you are in person, which I think sometimes that's a problem.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm at an event, people know me from the way I post on LinkedIn, which is not inaccurate in like who I am, but I think you definitely present yourself a little bit more confident than you probably are in person.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: And do you think you're still being authentic with the things that you're posting on LinkedIn?
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's it's easy to, as time goes on, to try and divert from that and make yourself sit on the fence with certain issues and not have sort of half the sector disagree with you on a certain topic.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: That it is easy to want to sit on the fence with certain topics and you almost have to force yourself to still present yourself with an opinion that you have.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But even if that does mean that some people argue with it, disagree with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's also something that you see often.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's a lot of hesitation, I think, especially within the legal industry, to have an opinion publicly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have you found any difficulty, whether it's with your kind of with yourself or with anyone else in in terms of like having the competence to post?
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: About I don't know.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: What's the one I'm looking for?
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: About controversial topics.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have you found it difficult to post things on LinkedIn um that might potentially be controversial?
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think a lot of lawyers or people working within the legal industry might be hesitant to post things like that on on social media or LinkedIn?
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think there's I think there's always a few topics that people tend to avoid commenting on.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's constantly a battle between consultant, solicitors, and people who are working for a firm.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: There's constantly sort of people that are pushing transactions through really fast versus how much attention are they given to each client.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's issues where you're always going to fall on one side of it, but I don't think you can sit on the fence.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think you have to present the opinion that you have.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so how did you end up in conveyancing?
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's not exactly the sort of industry that you think as a child I definitely want to start working within you know the convencing industry or to become a conveyancer or a lawyer solicitor.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, definitely not.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't think you'd speak to many 14-year-olds and say they say they want to be a lawyer.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure they want to be a property lawyer or a conveyancer at that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um for me, I really did fall into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I after school I did a few different things.
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  SPEAKER_01: I um worked at a bank for a little bit, I was on a building site for a year, carrying plasterboards up the stairs.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: A bit different.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally different, and then just like I say, entry role into conveyancer, and and from there I've just been working my way up as with with one big national firm for a long period of time and it's just supported along the way, really.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what was the original plan?
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because obviously you've mentioned working in banking, working kind of you know, on a building site, and now obviously working within property law.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: What was the original plan, or did you have one?
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I had a whole lot of direction when I was at that point.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I I I did A levels, I didn't finish them, didn't come out with any A levels, so university wasn't necessarily an option for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um I think it was just really filler jobs until I found the direction I wanted, even when I came into conveyancing, I wasn't sort of passionate about it at the time.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: But I think it just gets to it's almost like a turning point at some some stage in your career where you get that passion and direction and you want to progress and work your way up.
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  SPEAKER_00: How you mentioned working at obviously a large firm for a long period of time, um, and they had kind of supported you.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: How did they support you with sort of getting you to where you are now?
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: So massively just giving me sort of commercial visibility at the last stages of my career.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: They were supporting me through becoming a licensed convencer, so it was fully funded qualifications and sort of support with time to study.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I don't think without them pushing me through and giving the opportunities like that, I'd I would be sort of creating my own consultancy band consultancy brands now.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: And do you have any wild stories?
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: And we can come back to this, but do you have any wild stories that you've experienced within the kind of legal industry?
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: And and you know, whether it was as a paralegal or as a licensed conveyancer?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'll have to have a think about that one to be fair.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: I I will share probably my wildest story, um, and we can probably cut this out, and we'll probably need to.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: But I had a um I was acting for the seller, and the sellers were in America, and we just completed, and I received an email from the buyer's solicitor to say the buyer's children have just gone into the garage and they found bin bags full of adult toys, and and they that is wild, and um they needed to obviously get rid of them, so I then had to contact the sellers and I was like, How do I do this?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Do I call them?
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: Do I email them?
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: I sent them an email and I said, I'm really sorry to do this to you, but just to let you know, this is what's happened.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: And they emailed back to say their son had been living in the property for I don't know, six months whilst they were selling it, and they were absolutely mortified and had to arrange.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know how they arranged for someone to go and collect the bin bags.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: Get an Uber.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: Get an Uber and be like, don't look in the bags.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, that was my wild story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, random.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think there was a frozen foods incident.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: My thinking.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you might think off the top of my head.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: I must have stories like this.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's absolutely fine.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: We'll revisit the wild stories because there's not a chance you've been working in compensing on property for this long and you don't have a random story.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: I've definitely got a few in the bank.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so people will assume that tattoos were the risk, but I personally think the risk is actually walking away from the security that you evidently had at the firm that you used to work at.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what finally made you think it's time to actually take a bet on myself?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: I I think a lot of people assume that it's almost like a turning point where it's like I need to have this amount of money to protect the jump, or I need to have been there for this many years.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: I I I don't think that perfect time ever comes.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: So you really just have to take that jump and and back yourself.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: I knew that I was building relationships that I could maintain, and and I knew people were referring to me with pieces of work because of me.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I think it just got to the point where it was I wanted to build something for myself and create something.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: And do you think authenticity has become a business advantage?
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think definitely in the consultancy world, more than ever, people buy into the person that they're instructing.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Someone with excellent legal advice versus someone that is speaking to a client like a human and not a robot, almost come out of favour when in reality they're they're not necessarily even given the legal advice as good.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: So you can be as good at legal advice as you want, but if you're not building relationships and promoking trust in the service you're about to provide, I think you can fall in the flat face.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel as though, especially with consultancy work, everyone sees this sort of freedom.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but have you seen or have you faced any kind of challenges since embarking in this new new role?
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well a lot of people do talk about consultancy and you sort of get to choose your own hours.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Somehow I was choosing to work about 80 of them a week for for the for the first period, but I think that is just part of building the brand.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: You've got you've got to be all in for that first set period.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: But then since then I've got a paralegal that is on the books now, which is exciting.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's really exciting.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um probably for the last two weeks I've I think I've done nine till five five, six days a week.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't think many people can say that.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: Which was the goal.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I mean it's a lot of obviously responsibility to have on your shoulders in terms of like going down the route of a consultancy um position.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: And the company that you're working for at the moment, well, I say working for, but working under, everything is sort of as you'd want it to be.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're happy with kind of the the setup, the software, the you know, your client experience?
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think there's a lot of offerings now for consultancy practitioners, but the firm I do work for is probably the first one you think about when you hear consultancy.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: And the support network you have there is is amazing.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: So have you questioned any of the decisions that you've made to date, sort of especially over the last few months?
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I think there's definitely been periods where I've been sitting on the sofa with my head in my hands at 10 pm after coming out of my laptop.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: But it's more in the first few weeks when you always think instructions and work are gonna come in quicker than they do.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: So you have a few days in a row where there was no inquiries coming in, and it was is this is this this green grass that I heard about?
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's terrifying, isn't it?
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's just yeah, holding your nerve really, it's it's backing yourself, you're delivering the service, the work will come.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: So do you think uh were they kind of the core reasons why you're sat on the sofa at 10 o'clock head in your hands?
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: The the worry about sort of not receiving those instructions, or is it more the work?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Probably taken on.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think having a paralegal on board within three months gives an indication of how quick those float case opened.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: I had to plug the hole quickly.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, just sort of the volume of work taken on, and I I set the bar pretty high in the service I want to provide, so I do struggle to get away from it.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: What's your proudest moment since launching?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: The proudest moment is probably getting uh paralegal on board.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: So the paralegal that I'm employing, he was my assistant maybe seven years ago.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: So when we were talking earlier about the stamp duty deadline, he was my assistant through that.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: Been on been on that ship through through that disaster together.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a trusted relationship, yeah, definitely.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: So for him to I think the proudest moment is for him to make the jump.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: So again, you've got someone safety net of employment, been in employment for a big period under a national firm, and to make that jump to a one-man band, like they've got to believe in you, then they know that you're finding that work for them.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: And in terms of kind of that uh relationship, so your paralegal that you're kind of I suppose training or supervising, you know, what's the the level of support that you're kind of providing?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: Is there a long-term goal for your paralegal to kind of do what you're doing, or do you have a long-term goal?
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, definitely.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I I think he will he will progress into the same sort of role.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I'd I'd like sort of the first one on board with a firm to sort of be in my immediate team for as we continue to grow.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, definitely want to want to expand.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um in terms of sort of day-to-day support.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I've got I've got an office space now, so that's so exciting.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Both of us are quite set on sort of not just purely work from home.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think it makes such a difference being around each other when you're learning off each other.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was gonna say, like obviously being a consultant, I think sometimes there's a temptation to you know work solely remotely.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think, and obviously you've mentioned training someone, it's a lot better to kind of be face-to-face in person.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Is that something that you'd always wanted to do?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of have an office space?
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, definitely.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I I have got my eyes set on sort of the high street office eventually.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to see my name on the on the big door.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's very exciting.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, for now, we've got a space with just the two of us, and it it works well.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think in terms of progressing your career, I think you've got to be in each other's presence to really learn and bounce off each other and just uh sort of push transactions through and have sort of a comrade between comrade between you.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, one thing that's obvious when you look at your LinkedIn is that you do have um obviously the business, but you've built more of a personal brand.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: You've spoken a lot about people buying into you rather than just the business.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: And do you think everyone should be building a personal brand, whether they're a consultant or not?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's important for everyone in law to be building their own personal brand, extending past the people in your immediate firm and just building connections that you might need later on in your career.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh since becoming a consultant, a lot of my work has come from people approaching me.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought it'd be me out there trying to build introducer relationships, but a lot of it is people who have just bought into that personal brand.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of sort of bespoke individual estate agents that they're almost a similar model for estate agency and doing it with their own personal brand.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it definitely crosses over when you need it.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: And do you think a personality is becoming more important than qualifications?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think being being an individual makes makes a whole big difference.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: You can have the law degree, but if you're not relatable and people don't buy into it, then the work doesn't necessarily come.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think as you said, like the qualifications ultimately you're going to need some sort of qualification depending on where you want to get to.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well clients don't when you're giving the advice, no clients are asking about your qualifications.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: They're just buying into the confidence.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's very true indeed.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um and have you received any negativity on LinkedIn that could potentially be detrimental to your career?
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't think necessarily to that level, no, not really.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: I would I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't be involved in that.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: I I would remove myself long before that point.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Do you but have you had like any negative kind of response from things that you posted?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think there was one post where there might have been a few negative comments here and there.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's just a speed of a transaction that I think perhaps creating unrealistic expectations was potentially one of the comments.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: So do you think are people commenting if they do comment anything negative?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's not clients, is it?
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Or is it more of kind of other consultants, colleagues, estate agents?
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well I think that's important, isn't it?
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: You think that you're on LinkedIn just communicating with conveyancers, but I've had numerous clients comment and add me on there, and it's like they're seeing these posts.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: So it's you're not just creating things for your own sector, you're creating things for people that are instructing you as well.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I think you do have to be a bit more sensitive about that.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you should you should be mindful obviously your presence on social media is you know, clients are gonna be able to find you, they're gonna be able to read the things that you're posting.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um was that always kind of the plan to have a big presence on on LinkedIn, or is that something that's just happened?
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think the sort of leader of my previous firm was always talking about personal brand and making it your own business within the firm.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I think yeah, it's always been sort of drilled in that that personal brand would is gonna end up important and the people you speak to is that was sort of like relationship mapping and following them through, that sort of thing was always pretty big at my last firm.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think communication is one of those things, especially within conveyancing within the property industry.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: It it can kind of make or break transactions often.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um and seeing you kind of posting so much and frequently, I mean it's a big, it's a big responsibility.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: How how do you fit all of that into your day?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: It does feel like a full-time day job sometimes.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: When it's been a few days where I've not posted, I'm thinking, okay, I better get on there and put a post and I'll I'll get comments on it, and it's like I haven't even got time for this today.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Do you use AI to assist you with your posts?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I can't stand seeing the general format of an AI post.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Hate it.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: What are the top things that you would notice?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: The um the the M-dash is is number one, isn't it?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: No one uses M-dash.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even know what an M dash was until Chat GPT came out.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: But it's it's just it's formatted the same, isn't it?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: You can you can see it a mile off.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I have one final question.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: What's one lesson that you wish someone had told you ten years ago?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: Probably the you don't need to sound like the perfect lawyer, you don't need to look like the perfect lawyer, they just want to hear your personality, they want to hear you, and they want to trust you.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I think it all comes down to the work you produce will always be valued above how you sound.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm counselor state boy, got about four GCCs to my name, failed a levels, but relationships just build it bigger than any lawyer will.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: Connor, thank you so much.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's been an absolute pleasure and brilliant to hear the story behind the business and not just what you do, but why you do it.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: If people do want to connect with you or find out more about Connor Odell Conveyancing Limited, what's uh where's the best place that they can do that?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Best place to find me is soon to be TikTok.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, the best place to find me will be through my LinkedIn or through my personal website.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: So Connor Odell.conveyance in dothro.uk.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: You can make any inquiries through there, you can contact me, email me through there, and I can help you from there.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
• 21:23
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• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: And we will see you again next month.