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🌳 Trees and Your Enneagram Type with My Arborist Hubby Spencer Wicks · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Simply Wholehearted Podcast with Amy Wicks, your wholehearted life and business coach.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: You should know this podcast will inspire you to grow in self-awareness, be passionate about your faith, and get clear on your calling.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: If you are new here, then welcome to the community of multi-passionate women who love to go deep on topics like faith, Enneagram, relationships, leadership, and community.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: This conversation might provide the step you need to make the change you desire.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: So let's get started.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: This conversation is all about trees, his unique field of expertise.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Spencer's degree was in forestry, and he has been using his training as a certified arborist for over 20 years.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: It feels just like yesterday, but it was two years ago that we sat down to map out this conversation at a really fun local favorite, Housewife Casey.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: I can still remember how Gidea got over the connections that we were able to quickly make between the different traits of the nine personalities and trees that would be familiar to you.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: This conversation was just begging to be released again to bring a smile to your face and maybe offer a little bit of insight into your personality and to those that you love.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: Spencer, welcome to my closet.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so glad you could join me here in the mess and record a special conversation today.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: Good to be here.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: Three years ago, we shared our financial story.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: But today you get to speak about something that you actually got your degree in that you went to school for.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I have a degree in forestry from Iowa State almost 20, a little over 20 years ago.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I've been a little old.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Every time I go back on campus, I feel very old.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I've been practicing arbiculture for the last 20 plus years, kind of excited to talk about something that I have a little bit of knowledge on.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's really neat to and not everyone gets to use their degree, but how you utilize it.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: And even though maybe there's people in your field who don't need a degree, but you've been able to stay true to a passion.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I felt an obligation to pay off my student loads with something that I actually learned.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: It it really has become a passion over the years to do this industry and still really enjoy it.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I still find myself every day learning something new.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what keeps me engaged.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: And there's always a disease or insect or some ailment to a plant that I am always trying to figure out.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's just a fun puzzle that I get to apply all the learned knowledge to figure out what's what's going on.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a fun industry.
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  SPEAKER_01: As you were explaining all of this, I suddenly realized probably there is a friend or two or ten who are listening and going, what is arbiculture?
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: What are you talking about?
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: So arbiculture is the study of trees or the caretaking of trees.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: So arbor, the reword arbor is tree.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of cities have arbor day, and that really what that is just a recognition of of the trees in the city.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of times there's planting events or some sort of event surrounding the care of trees.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: So your title officially would be arborist.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: What does that look like, maybe in your 20-plus career as far as the care and the maintenance of trees?
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  SPEAKER_00: What's changed over the years in arbiculture in general?
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: It encompasses a lot of different aspects of tree care taking.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: Anywhere from tree planting to consultation to removal or pruning or disease and health.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: So it just encompasses so much.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: And that's under different settings, like municipalities or city management, or even like forest service that manages really large-scale stands of timber, or parks, service parks, things like that, or even down to just hiring some an arborist to come and do an evaluation or prescription of what to do with the trees on their property.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: So really, while your experience has been within the US 50 states, right, and actually not some of the states, that would be super fun and very different than what the Midwest experience is.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: Really, arbiculture is a worldwide thing because there are trees everywhere.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's actually the care of trees is actually um in some ways more taken seriously in European countries than it is here in the United States.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: We're trying to play catch up in a lot of ways in our methodologies of pruning and things like that.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: So we're kind of playing catch up compared to a lot of other countries in Germany, kind of the way on a lot of it.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that could be a whole nother tangent in Rabbit Trail that I won't dive into, but I did learn something new.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think we've talked about it numerous times.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: And at even one point in time, I was just doing a blog way before the podcast.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: But there was something stirring inside of me and you when we were looking at the growth pattern of trees, the cycle of trees, realizing that as all things and creation are representative of our creator, it's also a lot of times representative of growth and life in Christ ultimately.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: And we can find the story, find the allegory, we can find how it relates and what we can learn from it.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I remember years ago, we were on some road trip somewhere to see family, probably, and I started asking you all these questions about tree growth and we were kind of flushing out an idea of what does it look like to share an example of life in Christ and relate it to essentially to tree growth.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: But the whole conversation today isn't going to be about that, but I really wanted to touch on it and I opened up both a little bit of my own thought.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: But would you share, and just again, your 20-plus year of experience with trees, studying the trees, what you've learned from creation about the creator or or even life in Christ and living wholeheartedly in that way?
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think we talked about this actually last time we did a podcast together, but ideagram helps helps us understand our nature, the way God made us, and it's very different from somebody else's, even though we all have a lot of basic similarities.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: Our personalities are different, our stories are different, our childhoods are different.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: So we it react and act a certain way based on a lot of those attributes, but just like that, trees, for example, diagnosing a tree's disease.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: The reason a tree is acting a certain way is has to do with its the type of tree that it is, it's personality or the personal traits of that type of tree.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: You have to understand that first, identify what the issue is, and then be able to treat that issue.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: So so understanding every type of tree, and that's why it's a constant ongoing learning process for me is understanding why a tree grows the way it does, or what you know, where it grows best, and um if it's out outside of its zone, then it's gonna it's gonna react to certain things a lot different than a native tree would.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: So under just understanding a history of the tree, understanding its growing patterns and its resistance to certain diseases helps me understand or better diagnose what's going on and it helps figure out a treatment for it.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's understanding somebody better based on who God made them.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's going to it's gonna help you build to not treat, but just understand, have a better understanding of why we react the way we do it.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: Just when I think what I say goes in one year and out the other, I find out that you have been paying attention.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's so good.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's actually profoundly true and simple, but but there's a lot there to say.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: Now, for you as well, and we could go off with either thing, but just in a tree's growth and a tree's cycle of life, what have you learned to take from that that you've maybe applied in your own spiritual walk?
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: Every tree starts with a seed.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it starts with a and then turns into a sapling, and then it finds good soil to you know, take root into, and then it grows from there and it's just getting it's larger and larger.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: There's certain things that you just can't if there's an issue later on that could have been corrected at the very The earlier, say for example, of tree planting, the earlier you get to setting the root system up from from say from a pot, the sooner you can, you know, get the roots in such a way that they can grow out into the soil rather than growing in circles.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of plants will get root-bound, so they'll just kind of grow, they'll hit the side of the pond, they'll start to grow in a circle.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: And the sooner you can get those cut off and flushed out, it'll grow into the soil and it'll just set the tree up for a much longer life.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: So really just starting from the seed to to maturity, the sooner you can kind of do things the in a healthy way.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: It sets the tree up for a healthier, longer life.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: There's numero I mean, everything about a tree is related to spirituality and uh child rearing and just issues we face in life.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's just so many so many things.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: You could just literally relate every aspect and every phase of a tree's life to human experience and human lives.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: So what I hear you saying is there's a spin-off podcast that I need to do every week, some new aspect about trees and spiritual life.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: If y'all could see him, you would know he's like, no way, please.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Please limit my interaction with stuff like this.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: With the on that note, again, obviously, as you said and I've alluded to, there's numerous amounts and numerous ways to tie in what we can find and discover and learn about.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: You have 20 plus years and you feel like you're still learning something new every day.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to, and this was really inspired by one of my clients, Kristen Herman, a shout out to her.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: And we might link, she has a blog of her own.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: And we were, Spencer was talking to she and her husband about trees, some trees in their yard.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: She had also wanted to explore this topic as well, how what we can learn from growth and root system and so many different aspects of how that can speak back to spiritual principles.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: But that sparked a conversation that then led to this hey, we really need to finally have a conversation and relate enneagram and trees together.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: And while there's a number of things that we could do, and maybe someday in the future, today we're going to, for the fun of it, because the change of seasons is upon us, it's officially fall, leaves are turning colors throughout the country.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so I will have to pause and say on the other side of the globe, and some of my friends who I coach, they're experiencing a change of a different season and they're going from, let's see, winter to spring, right?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, winter to spring, which is hard to wrap my mind around, but it's real and that's how it works.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: But as the change of season is upon us, and for us here in the Midwest of the US, it's becoming fall and the leaves are slowly turning and all of them go at their own pace.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: And ivy tends to go first and then bushes and then the trees and all the trees at their own pace.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: But we just thought it would be fun, or I thought it would be fun, and Spencer was willing to go long with the typing of trees.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, as in all things, trees are inanimate objects, somewhat.
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  SPEAKER_01: They are just part of creation.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're not a person, they're not a being.
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  SPEAKER_01: And while they have an essence of personality because of very unique diversities and differences, they are not a person.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: So there are limits to the typing process, and there's even limits to our connection of personality types to trees.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: But as we talked just the other day over breakfast at Housewife Casey, shout out to Anne Sorge and her crew there.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: We, it was just better.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: It was a better conversation than I could have hoped.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: It really started out as a simple hey, I'll give you a little description about these types, what tree comes to mind, and we fleshed it out from there.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I am so excited.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think you and I especially was the hardest one to figure out, but the it's now our favorite.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the Enneagram type five, we listened for that one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cause that was it really did take us.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: It was on the drive home that suddenly it dawned on Spencer and we got to talking about I'm like, oh my gosh, it's just beyond perfect.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good, so fitting for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're going to attempt to share this information with you, yet entertaining, to highlight the types and relate them to a tree that hopefully you're familiar with or you can look up and Google and see what we're talking about, maybe as it relates to your types or your spouse type or your kids' type or your friends' types.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought we would start at the Enneagram eight.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, it's not because we have to go first because the eights are so demanding and all of that.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: It just works really well to go through the gut triad first.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: So we're going to talk about the eight, nine, and one, then the two, three, four, and then the five, six, and seven.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: And as a seven, be willing to go last.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: So uh I thought it would be fun to talk about the tree first, and then I'll you share the qualities and the character traits that stuff to you, and I'll kind of share back how I see it as relates to that type.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I think you when we were talking about this, you decided to give one word for you said make it simple.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: What more?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Make it real simple.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: The first was the challenger.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: And immediately when I thought of the challenger, I thought of, and these are Midwestern trees, so growing zones four, five, six.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: We have the great benefit in Kansas City.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: But we can actually grow some northern species, and then we can also grow some southern species because of where we're kind of located.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: So we get a nice blend.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: So if you are north or south of here, we probably have this plant.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but then you get out in tropical zones and it's totally different.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: So uh but the pear tree is it can be real pretty in the spring.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: It has like flower in it.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: The flower stinks to high end.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: But they're pretty.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: But they're pretty.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: The pear tree kind of has a harder shell to it or has exterior, um, but it's real brittle on the inside, so the one doesn't have a lot of structure.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: So like if you're felling one, it it just tends to break.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: If there's a storm, it's like the first tree to break.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's just very wooded, but it does have a hard, kind of hard shell to it.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: But uh and then you can cut it down and it would just come right back.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: So it just has that resilience as well.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's just always gonna lead kind of driving back.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: One of the that was one of the aspects that I said at first.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: So the challenger, yet they're they have a maybe a tougher exterior or seem hard nose about their boundaries and know how to draw the line and push the limits.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: But there's a softness and vulnerability and a tenderness on the inside.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so, at least in my experience with friends, with even a daughter who's this type, where they give that appearance.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's surprising when things crush them, when they feel deeply, when there is a strong emotional response, even, because they present oftentimes that type of exterior, and you don't know how vulnerable they are on the inside.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so there's that, but then on the flip side, the resilience.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think AI's the narrative, their childhood experience, or maybe even their childhood wounding is a thought that they have to, that no one else is going to stand up for them, to defend them, to protect them.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: So their defenses are really high.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: But all of that being said, in light of that experience, in light of that story, they felt that they've had to persevere.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: So there's the resilience to them where they may have been knocked down by life, abandoned or rejected or harmed in some way, but they've gotten back up and kept going.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: So Yeah.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: They actually come kind of come back a little thorny.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: So they're a little like that's funny.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: But they're they're they're hard to stop though.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can't stop them.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, here I'll just pause of saying the pruning process, which you have been involved with the majority of your career.
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  SPEAKER_01: You go in and you were gonna talk about that later as it relates to some other trees, but there's um there's sometimes the softening that you would do in the pruning process.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that relates the pruner is the Lord oftentimes of our life.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: And pruning the branches and softening us and elements like that.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna relate you to God in this moment, but yeah, but we say softening.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I want to correct you, you're a little more abrasive with your prony.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: So you're sometimes, yeah, we're you're a little more extreme with the pruning process, but it tends to come back like really strong afterwards.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's good to know.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I didn't know what you meant by soften.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's soft on the inside, but it's pretty aggressive and yeah, abrasive with the pruning process.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: But it responded a lot to in particular.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: The pear tree.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we did talk about that.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: That you would have to be really blunt.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: You have to be very blunt, yeah.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Very blunt in the printing process of the pear tree.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: Which that makes total sense.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, but come on, you guys, are you not following this?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: Are you just not geeking out?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like me.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Enneagram nine, which for those who don't know yet, I probably said this in my intro, but you are not.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought of a lot of different ones, but this one that you came up with spot on.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this might relate to some of maybe our friends in the mountains, but uh, you'll get into really high altitudes and you get a what's called a monoculture where you just get the same species that grows and then something comes along a lot of times and just kind of wipes out that species, and then a new one pops up.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: But we thought the fir tree had a softness to it.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's pyramidal in shape, so it has carries in such a way that it kind of brushes that snow off.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know if that relates to a nine or not, but and then there's just a kind of book when there is snow and there's kind of a calmness to it.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: But more than anything, it's like they merge, they kind of all merge together, and they're there's a softness to their needles in a good fragrance.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, really a good fragrance.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you want to picture fur, think of the idyllic Hallmark movie scene where they're like taking a landscape video of evergreens covered in snow that holds the shape just well and picked a serene setting to the holiday hallmark movie.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: But the furs also there is an element because nines tend to merge, can be good, can not be great, uh, can be harmful as well.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: But there is an element going back to the monocle, did you call it monoculture?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Which can actually be uh a detriment to a species if there's not diversity around it.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Where they're absorbing too much of the same nutrients from maybe a one thing that kind of comes in it's detrimental to that monoculture, it could wipe everything out.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so you'd want you it wants to be around diversity.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: It wants to be around other things or for the thriving, it needs to diversify and hold their own.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: But maybe they would tend to merge and just have their own, which is comfortable, but long-term not healthy.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Food for thought, there's some deep stuff.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Enneagram one.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: We said maple tree.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um no there's different varieties of maples, but the kind of your standard maple wants to have one good central leader and then wants to have smaller opposing scaffolding branches that are smaller in diameter.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: So like less less dominance than little central leader.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so a good quality maple will have one good central leader, kind of that perfectionist with the smaller opposing branches, and what happens a lot of times is co-dominant lens that form at a really young age that have to be pruned out so they can free encourage that that central leader.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think the word that you gave was perfectionist, and that was the thing that kind of gave me thing, you know, that we thought and maybe a good selection for that.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: And even what you just alluded to in your field guiding the mateful for to balance.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: There is a striving and a desire for balance and a as a one.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Now, balance is this.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: I just recently did a podcast about balance and how it's really about like rhythm than it is about perfection, getting this exact right thing to go perfectly.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: But obviously, the maple, there's hundreds of varieties, right?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: You kind of at first really, there's thousands of varieties, maybe there's hundreds.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: So there's all sorts of maples out there.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: But the the root of it is kind of all of them sharing the similarity of the balance of the trunk to branches, to use layman's term.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: They called it lead, lead and what did you term?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: So kind of good climbing material.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: And maples, for those of you who are familiar in the Midwest, of course, are brilliantly colored.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: They are just stunning.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: They really make fall what we imagine, I think ultimately.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: So they they definitely have their well really important role to play in the change of seasons ultimately.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Enneagram too.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: We chose so the board you gave was helper and one of the probably the most multi-used or diverse trees, probably the oak tree.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of oaks here in the Midwest.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: And there's probably even more down south.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: But the Oak Tree has it's slow grower, but it has but it's interior-free hard.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: It has a lot of uses for wood products, for high quality wood products, or and you can eat fern great burning wood, good smoking woods used for flavoring for flavoring plants.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's a really great producer.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's a helper in so many ways.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like it helps, you know.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: Helps so many different types of supports many levels of the ecosystem, really, from the just the ground up.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Which I love.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: So for shade.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's one of the prettiest trees, in my opinion, the way that they're shaped.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: The the white oak is one of the prettiest trees.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: When it's a the old one, it's just every time I see one that's really old and has good has good structure, I have to stop and just look because it's just there's just something to them that's just so like the best.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: I love that for the Enneagram too, as well.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: They they have a desire, the two, three, four have a desire for significance and just even that noteworthy element, the oak.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Again, so many different varieties.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: And we have a limited view even in the Midwest, whereas you branch out, you'll find more.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I think it oak might feel common.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: There's an element where it goes, oh, aren't there oaks everywhere?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: But to look a little bit deeper and go, no, it's unique.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Each one is so unique.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: And the fact that it supports and aids and contributes to all the different levels of the ecosystem is pretty phenomenal.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: So very noteworthy.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: I go unnoticed a lot of times, but they're super important.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's good.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: We see you in Eastern MT.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Type three.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: I was really excited about this one.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we driven by success, I think was that we're I think we landed on aspen trees.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: And some of the reasons for that are they pretty quick growers.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: They uh their leaves are kind of showy, like they like the quaking aspen, the leaflet literally like shake on the petiole of the of the stem of the settle, it like flaps back and forth.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: If you look at an aerial picture or video of an aspen growth, it's the rustling of the leaves and the waving of it is akin to, say, a body of water where there's the shimmeriness and the flowing in it.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's a ripple effect.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's really hard to describe.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely look it up because it's breathtaking.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you and I have my got years in Colorado, you've lived in Colorado, so we've seen aspen groves in a unique way that I don't know anywhere else in the country has aspen groves like it.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: They just can grow really well there.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: But they're they're breathtaking ultimately when we get to see it.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's just wow.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's a stunning display of change and growth.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're actually so the largest living organism is the aspen, because they all grow from loot graphs from each other.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why you see them like kind of the bottom of a canyon.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: They're all that's all basically one tree.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: Just it sprouted all the silver little I didn't know that.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: Those little trees off shoots offshoots off the off the root system and sprout up.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: But they've been able to but they're all interconnected all the atmosphere.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, they're usually they're the first tree to change, too.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we did talk about that.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: Primarily because of where they're at, because they're growing seasons so short, but they are ones that tend to grow to change first.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: So what's interesting, they're actually mixed in a lot of times with fur's.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, the nine, which the three and the nine, there's quite a connection there actually for both reciprocal.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: And where we will talk about this more, and there's other ways to relate to this, that the three can go to the nine in this in stress, but then also in growth.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was gonna ask this and that idea, okay.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: So the aspen has a shorter growing season from spring to fall.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's the growing season.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Winter then for the aspen tends to be longer.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: What happens, especially as they're all grafted on together?
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: What does that look like usually for the wintering?
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they just they just go dormant.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and uh, but they just it kind of coexists with the with that type of with the fir tree or spruce.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Another interesting kind of fact is they have there's kind of a powder to the exterior.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: There's a quality that's kind of a sunblocking quality, but it actually has the bark of it, it's a really bright white, so it kind of shows off in contrast.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: There is a differentiate factor to it opposed to the fur or spruce tree.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's that's white on white on dark green.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there, yeah, there's a lot there.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Also, I would just kind of point out for the three who tends to be fast growing and really look at matrix to the fast growth, and they want to always be achieving more and more more.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: But if you could learn from the aspen tree, there is a faster growing season, it is shorter, so you'll need more fast in between your growth spurts.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: So that's true.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: So just a little bit.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no for me.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely go dormant earlier and come out later.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe find you a good nine in your life that can teach you the rhythm of resting.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, anyogram four.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: This is the unique quality.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's my favorite.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's your favorite.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we said ginkgo tree.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: Ginkgo is the oldest known tree in original China.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: But it has just has there's a uniqueness to the both the bark, the fruit, has some innocent purposes.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: Really stinky when it starts to rot.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's what probably one of the bigger things that people notice.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying anything about that, but it's just one thing that I've observed over the years.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's a very stinky fruit once it starts to once it starts to rot.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: The fruit itself.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: Once it's yes, okay.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: Has a has a lot of great positive purposes when it's in when it's ripe, but when it starts to rot, it's so you gotta otherwise you gotta get it fruit quickly for couple.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then the leaf shape and leaf textures like something like no other leaf in the Midwest.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: It has a really fine ridge to it.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's really thick and it's real showy.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: It looks like bow tie if you haven't seen that go that's sort of brilliant.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: I have likened it to a hard shape almost too, because there's that split down the middle and to rounded edges.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: It has caught my eye over the years and been one of my favorites because it's uniqueness.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I have always thought it was delicate, but you would term it a little bit hardier, the leaf itself.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a thickness to it, so it has the ability to kind of maybe withstand anytime a leaf has a waxiness or thickness to it, it's kind of that the leaf is designed to weather a little bit more harsher conditions.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so maybe there's something there, but that's just the way the texture of the leaf is.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Another cool attribute too is when it does go and change colors, which it's really brilliant, really showy, all the leaves drop off within 24 hours.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: Within a day or two, they just all fall off.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: With other trees, they'll slowly fall off over time, but with the ginkgo, like you'll see it in the morning and it's a brilliant yellow, and then in the evening, you might see it all just piled on the ground and the trees almost.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's just there.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Also, what's the typical well, I asked this question because when I've seen ginkgos, ironically, we have a shopping center near us that had the ginkgos in the parking lot.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: They were just standalones.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it's harder to find ginkgos.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: So do they tend to grow together?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: Do they do better together?
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: Or are they kind of a standalone almost?
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: That they're a little bit less of a oh cooperative tree or relying on other species.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good question.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure exactly.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think we'd when we see them around here in the landscape, they've just been planted.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm not sure the origins I might see them in groves naturally.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, they seem to stand alone at least here.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they do.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: Just an interesting thing.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: And forests are probably surprisingly independent at times.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: They really care about belonging and finding their unique place within their community or friend group or whatever.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: And yet there there is this element where they always want to be invited, but they enjoy doing their own thing and they're not really into the collaborative work of, say, a seven extreme, who wants to do everything with everybody.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: The four is like, ah, it's like, you know, let me hide a little bit, let me pull away from the group.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then also in that, then there's a standing out as well.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the tree, the ginkgo is definitely trying to stand out for sure.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of times you'll when you do stand planted, they're they're by themselves because they kind of they call it they steal the show in a lot of ways.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: They have so much uniqueness to them.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of times you'll see certain trees planted group beans.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because they look really good together from a visual standpoint.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: But typically there's enough uniqueness about them that they're that they're just kind of got their own stuff.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Stand.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's fun.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I hope you are enjoying geeking out with me as much as I am.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's so good.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, now this was while a lot of these trees are a favorite in my own right.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: The ginkgo, I'll just share for a while when I was thinking through logos for simply wholehearted, I really was fighting for the ginkgo leaf.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: I got some pushback on that.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Never ended up coming up with a unofficial logo.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: But for the type five, again, we took a little bit longer to decide where we wanted to go with this.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: But after Spencer said, Oh, I think this is it for the type five, I it couldn't, it just made so much sense.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it took longer to figure this one out.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think the the key phrase you used was uh an appetite for knowledge.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh for students, and that looks a lot of different in a lot of ways.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: But I think we landed on the walnut tree.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason is its branching structure.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: There's a much further gap in between most limbs.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: Another attribute is it really produces when it's putting a lot of energy towards free production, it tends to break a lot.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's just like the wood is just weak enough that when it's really putting on a lot of fruit, it tends to just get you'll get you'll get some created, it'll it'll collapse under that.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: And that's and you can talk about yeah.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: One of the one of the aspects, so of course, as I was talking about the different types, I would tell Spencer, oh, this is a person that is that type.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: So he could see it in the person and not just one word phrase, but see it embodied.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I was trying to relay that type of fives, wake up with not feeling 100% recharged and really mindfully go through their day in a way of how can I look to recharge or prepare for possible catastrophic depletion?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: And now that is a big combination of words, but ultimately, what if someone comes and wants to drain all that energy from me or the situation arises that's going to drain all my energy from me?
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: How do I regroup?
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: How do I make sure that doesn't happen?
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, in that sense, the walnut, if faced with having to produce and give too much, they could collapse under that weight.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's a tender, while walnut is solid in itself.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: We have a lot of furniture made out of walnut.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't the beautiful furniture that Spencer's dad makes.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's solid, it's really heavy, but it's interesting to know that in the process, it could have not made it because of how much fruit it was producing or maybe required of.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and if you do a lot of like highly valued qualities to the wool, it's very sought after.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of high quality, high-end furniture is made of walnut.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: So it's almost as if there was a lot of intention put into the wood, the heart of it.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: When I think of walnut, I also when I like walnuts, but when I think of walnut, I think of a library and leather and kind of uh maybe some cherry pipe smoke along with it, where I don't know, kind of that that solidness and that homeiness too.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was just really excited.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: There were so many elements about the walnut when we were breaking it down, if you will, going, oh yeah, this relates to the five, and that relates to the five, and so many positive things.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we've got two more.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: So why don't you tell us a little bit about what you chose for Enneagram 6?
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: So give me the word loyalist, and I recently took a trip to Moab and and there were where we were at, there were no trees, but there was one tree that could kind of grow in that really difficult environment.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's the juniper.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: There's kind of a resilience to it.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: There's a almost a calculated effort to try to grow in like the hard conditions.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: And that's fruit is really potent when it's grown in the neck type of condition.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: When I think of juniper, is it a red, like red small berries?
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh more of like a kind of a teal colored.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Or yeah, almost blue.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they look like wild mane blueberries.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: Jen is made out of uh berries.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: There's a some enthusiasm to relate to some of these that no.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's one of the aspects that I explained with the loyalists is that they are the person who has calculated the safest.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: We have a brother-in-law, a shared brother-in-law, who is a six, and he's he is well prepared.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, he was ready to handle the last two and a half years, and he's ready for whatever comes after as well.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: We can rely on him to have information and have the facts, but also have the plan and the route.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's this element, and I think this is what as it relates because Moab and the places surrounding that you went, it's desert.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it can seem desolate.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, the outcroppings and the rock formations and all that, those are stunning in their own, but not a lot can grow.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it takes tenacity.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where, for I would say, rooted sixes, those who are rooting their life in Christ, they are the most courageous because they have deep fear and anxiety about most things in life, but they have persevered.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: They have pushed through, they have come out on the other side and face those great fears.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: And in that, there's hardiness to it.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: There's they're they're thriving in the midst of what feels impossible.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so to me, that juniper again was an excellent depiction and description of what sixes have gone through, but as they're rooted in Christ, they can thrive in even sometimes the harshest environment.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: Last but not least, any green set.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: So we chose the red bud.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're if you live anywhere in the uh probably in the United States, there are red buds everywhere.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: You'll see them gold yards.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: There's multiple varieties, but and they're really known for their flowering aspect or flowering season in the spring.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a variety of colors as well, right?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so they they just they're very showy in the spring.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: They have incredible spring color.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: And some of the characteristics, they're that they kind of have a limitedness to their prime.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: But when they're but when they are in their prime, they just they just do phenomenal.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so tell me about the limitedness.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well they have a I don't want to say a shorter lifespan, but they have like their adolescent to like teenage a young adult year of lives of a tree.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: They're just they thrive, they grow really well, they sh their colors are incredibly brilliant.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then as they get older, they just kind of a little more spindly looking.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: They do have some lumps on their branches.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: Age, age thoughts.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's there is a lot of elements.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: I do the ginkgos maybe might, if I'm gonna choose a favorite, because it's uniqueness and then just the distinctness of it.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: But the red bud is so beautiful.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: Around our neighborhood, a lot of those red buds are uh lavender almost.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know, there's a not a fluorescence, but it's just so it's just captivating and to me where it really stands out and it gets me excited.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's spring and just excitement about the color and all that, all those elements.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: So there's also the there was one that you talked about that we don't necessarily have in our neighborhood, but multicolored either.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: There's a variety that puts on a leaf that has different colors successionally out from the trunk out to the tips of the newer growth, which is on the end, is a different color than what's on the inside.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so it kind of has this multicolored looking appearance to it.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: And that kind of that adds on to the quality of the flower in the spring.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um it adds this flushy growth and it has these different layers of color.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's really pretty.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I'd like to even say while it's one of the first to present its colors for the spring, it also leads way to others and kind of helps others shine on as well, going, hey, look at everybody, come over.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things we didn't mention is that a lot of these in our figuring out how they related or how they demonstrated, gave a uh an example for each personality type was the growth speed of them.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so really the ones that we talked about that for the four, five, and nine have maybe a slower growth pattern, but there's some longevity there.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: The three, seven, and eight, faster growing.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: Again, we related some of the even the shorter growing season or the potential for breaking, or maybe as it got older, it slowed down, or maybe wasn't as brilliant, the pluses and minuses of that.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then the one, two, and six, where there was a study, steadiness in the growth pattern and a little bit more reliable and predictable.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: So just kind of a fun way for those of you who understand the communication styles and the stances and how that relates to the we we really try to think of the different aspects.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: So there's so much here.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: Again, I don't know, maybe someday after we get all the kids launched, you and I do a podcast series about all things trees.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: But in the meantime, is there anything else that you didn't mention that you would really like to make sure we call attention to as we finish out this conversation?
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: Just mentioned a second ago about picking a favorite tree, which would be the ginko.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: There are every tree has its own quality.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I get asked that question a lot, hey, what's your favorite tree?
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: But they're all so it's hard.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's almost impossible because every tree has some unique characteristic to it that is unlike the others.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Something to appreciate.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: Something to appreciate in everybody.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, everybody's got a different um Enneagram type and had different characteristics about them that make them different from somebody else.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's just like trying, yeah, no two are alike.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: So trying to choose a favorite of something isn't possible because my favorite, the ginkgo, is not gonna have a very unique characteristic, but something else would.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: So it's very difficult to do that.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: What does it mean to you?
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: Each one of them meaning a different or feeling a different thing.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: And they all have different purposes.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: Some where it's you're not gonna sit under there for the shade, but you're gonna really admire its beauty.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: And other ones that are more distinct in the spring, and others more in the fall, and all the different and some you can there's multiple uses.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: Walnut might be a part of our lives in a bigger way.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: As an oak tree might, as opposed to say an aspen.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: But I will say, we had made some aspen candles a while back.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: I still need more of those.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: They're my favorite.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Ugh.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: This was so good.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: There's many more elements, and I hope more conversations to come, but I really pray that this has sparked some deeper thought for my friends.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this was fun.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: What did you think?
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: What would you say if someone asked you about your main takeaway from this conversation?
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: I believe there's power in sitting with a podcast episode for just a little bit before queuing up the next one.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: Take in the information, reflect, so that way you can implement what stood out to you and the next step for your life and really experience transformation.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now, next week, I'm excited to have another family member as a guest on the podcast.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: My oldest daughter Paige will be zooming me from her college campus so we can do a fun take on our favorite fall movie, Dan in Real Life.
• 43:42
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• 43:48
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• 43:54
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• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if you're a first-time listener, thank you so much for giving this show a try.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's easy to just stick to the podcast that you know you're going to enjoy, so I don't take it lightly that you're testing this one out and using some of your valuable listening time to hear what I have to say.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: I do pray that this conversation was exactly what you needed to hear today.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, friend, we're all broken, we're all blowing it, but the brave one does something about it.