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Mega Edition: Bryan Kohberger And The Trial That Never Came (Part 1-3) (9/24/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. They
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  Speaker 1: were supposed to be safe. That was the unspoken truth
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  Speaker 1: beneath the snow, beneath the locked doors, beneath the college
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  Speaker 1: dreams lining the streets of Moscow, Idaho.
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  Speaker 2: Safety.
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  Speaker 1: It's why parents send their children to small towns, to
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  Speaker 1: college towns, to places like this. But on the night
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  Speaker 1: of November 13th, 2022, safety died too. It begins in fragments.
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  Speaker 1: A line of students shuffles past a downtown bar, A
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  Speaker 1: white car makes a slow measured turn on a street
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  Speaker 1: lined with whispering trees. A hand on a doorknob. The
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  Speaker 1: flick of a hallway light. A phone placed down beside
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  Speaker 1: a bed. A kitchen dark. A third floor window glowing
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  Speaker 1: faintly in the early morning haze. And somewhere in the
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  Speaker 1: shadows of it all, a man with a knife. This
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  Speaker 1: is how the night of the University of Idaho murders unfolds,
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  Speaker 1: not as a singular eruption of violence, but a series
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  Speaker 1: of precise, almost silent ruptures. for lives ended in under
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  Speaker 1: 20 minutes, a town shattered, a country stunned, and a
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  Speaker 1: mystery that would ignite a forensic and media firestorm unlike
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  Speaker 1: anything the state of Idaho had ever seen. To understand
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  Speaker 1: how it happened, we have to reconstruct the night in
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  Speaker 1: its entirety, not just through surveillance footage or timestamp phone pings,
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  Speaker 1: but through space, motion, silence, and intent. The timeline isn't
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  Speaker 1: just linear.
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  Speaker 2: It's spatial. It's architectural.
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  Speaker 1: This house was a box of lives, floors stacked like secrets,
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  Speaker 1: doors separating life from death. Let's step inside. Saturday, November 12th, 2022.
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  Speaker 1: Evening into night. The three-story house at 1122 King Road
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  Speaker 1: sits tucked against a hill in a quiet neighborhood just
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  Speaker 1: off the University of Idaho campus. The property is oddly shaped,
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  Speaker 1: partially hidden from the road, with multiple entrances and and
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  Speaker 1: an exterior stairwell. A classic college rental, functional, lived in,
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  Speaker 1: and filled with the quiet noise of youth. Six people
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  Speaker 1: lived here. On this particular night, five young women and
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  Speaker 1: one male guest would be inside. Kaylee Gonsalves, 21, Madison Mogan, 21,
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, 20, two surviving roommates, Bethany Funk, and Dylan Mortensen,
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  Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin, Zanna's boyfriend who was visiting that night.
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  Speaker 1: The home itself was structured with Basement level, two bedrooms
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  Speaker 1: typically used by the surviving roommates. Middle level, the second floor. Kitchen,
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  Speaker 1: common areas, and Zanna's bedroom. Top level, third floor, bedrooms
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  Speaker 1: of Kaylee and Madison. At around 5 p.m., each pair
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  Speaker 1: begins their evening separately. Zanna and Ethan make plans to
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  Speaker 1: attend a party at the nearby Sigma Chi fraternity house,
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  Speaker 1: located just a few minutes away on campus. Kaylee and
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  Speaker 1: Madison are preparing to go downtown for drinks and late
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  Speaker 1: night food. The night feels typical for a college weekend.
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  Speaker 1: The town is cold, low 30s, with patches of snow.
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  Speaker 1: The streets of Moscow are dimly lit, lined with tall
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  Speaker 1: trees that mute the ambient light and keeps the town
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  Speaker 1: in a kind of permanent twilight after dusk. Around 10pm,
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee and Madison arrive at the Corner Club, a small
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  Speaker 1: downtown bar popular with students. Surveillance cameras and witness accounts
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  Speaker 1: confirm their presence. They're dressed for a night out, talking
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  Speaker 1: with friends, there's no reported confrontation, no one following them,
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  Speaker 1: nothing to suggest that the night will turn. They stay
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  Speaker 1: at the bar until just before 1.30am, and then head
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  Speaker 1: toward The Grub Truck, a local food cart that livestreams
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  Speaker 1: footage for entertainment. This truck, through sheer happenstance, records what
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  Speaker 1: would become the final public images of Kaylee and Madison alive.
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  Speaker 1: In the video timestamped around 1.40am, the two women appear relaxed.
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  Speaker 1: They laugh, Madison places an order, while Kaylee scrolls through
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  Speaker 1: her phone. A man stands nearby. Someone online sleuths would
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  Speaker 1: obsess over for weeks, but police later cleared him. The
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  Speaker 1: live stream is mundane. That's what makes it so eerie.
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  Speaker 1: After retrieving their food, the girls leave the area at
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  Speaker 1: approximately 1.56 a.m., picked up by a private party ride-chair driver,
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  Speaker 1: and dropped off at 1122 King Road at around 1.59 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The driver is also cleared. Meanwhile, Zanna and Ethan leave
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  Speaker 1: the fraternity party around the same time and return to
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  Speaker 1: the King Road house just after 1.45 a.m. All six
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  Speaker 1: occupants are now inside the home. The silent hours, 2 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: to 4 a.m. This is the black box. No confirmed
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  Speaker 1: eyewitness accounts, no confirmed interactions, no obvious disturbances. But something
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  Speaker 1: was happening. Cell phone records later confirmed that Zanna Kernodle
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  Speaker 1: was awake during this window. At 4.12 a.m., her TikTok
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  Speaker 1: app was actively used. Investigators suggest this confirms she was
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  Speaker 1: still alive at the time. Kaylee and Madison's phones show
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  Speaker 1: inactivity after roughly 3.45 a.m. Their dog Murphy was present
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  Speaker 1: in Kaylee's room and would later be found unharmed. The
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  Speaker 1: only piece of recorded data during this window that raises alarms...
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  Speaker 1: comes from a neighbor's audio surveillance, which captures a series
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  Speaker 1: of faint thuds, a whimper, and a sharp sound that
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  Speaker 1: some have described as a cry or a scream. This
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  Speaker 1: occurs between 4.17 and 4.20 a.m., a crucial timestamp. It
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  Speaker 1: is during this window, 4 a.m. to 4.25 a.m., that
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  Speaker 1: investigators believe the murders took place. At approximately 4.20 a.m.,
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  Speaker 1: a white Hyundai Elantra is seen speeding away from the
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  Speaker 1: area on multiple surveillance cameras. The car had been circling
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  Speaker 1: the King Road neighborhood repeatedly between 3.30 and 4.20 a.m.,
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  Speaker 1: captured turning around several times in a three-minute span near
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  Speaker 1: the house. This car will become the linchpin of the
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  Speaker 1: future case, and inside the house, a massacre. The murders,
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  Speaker 1: room by room. The killer entered through a sliding glass
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  Speaker 1: door on the second floor, an entrance easily accessible via
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  Speaker 1: an exterior stairwell. There were no signs of forced entry.
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  Speaker 1: What happened next is reconstructed through crime scene photographs, coroner
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  Speaker 1: reports and leaks, and the information remains partial but chilling.
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  Speaker 1: The second floor, Zanna and Ethan. It's believed that Ethan
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  Speaker 1: was attacked first. He was found on the floor of
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  Speaker 1: Zanna's bedroom, near the doorway, possibly standing or getting out
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  Speaker 1: of bed when the killer entered. His injuries were consistent
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  Speaker 1: with an ambush. Zanna, based on the defensive wounds on
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  Speaker 1: her hands, fought back. Her father would later state publicly
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  Speaker 1: that she had bruises, torn skin, and and deep cuts
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  Speaker 1: on her fingers, signs of a desperate struggle. They both
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  Speaker 1: died on the second floor. The third floor, Madison and Kaylee.
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  Speaker 1: The two best friends were found in Madison's bed. Both
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  Speaker 1: were killed with a knife, according to the coroner. It's
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  Speaker 1: widely speculated that Kaylee received more wounds than the others,
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  Speaker 1: particularly to the chest and neck. Her father told the
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  Speaker 1: press that the nature of her wounds suggested that she
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  Speaker 1: was the target. The killer exited the house through the
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  Speaker 1: same door he entered, it's speculated. The basement-level roommates asleep
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  Speaker 1: in their rooms were left untouched. One of them reported
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  Speaker 1: waking up to noise and opening her bedroom door sometime
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  Speaker 1: around 4 a.m. She later told investigators she saw a
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  Speaker 1: man in black clothing with a mask covering his nose
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  Speaker 1: and his mouth walking past her. He left through the
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  Speaker 1: sliding door. She locked her door and did not call 911.
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  Speaker 1: This decision, misunderstood, misrepresented, and widely criticized online, would become
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  Speaker 1: a source of intense scrutiny. But trauma doesn't always follow logic,
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  Speaker 1: and what she saw in that moment may not have
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  Speaker 1: registered as real. Discovery and the 911 call, morning of
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  Speaker 1: November 13th, 2022. The bodies were discovered just before noon.
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  Speaker 1: One of the surviving roommates called friends to the house
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  Speaker 1: because she believed someone was unconscious. Multiple people arrived. At 11.58am,
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  Speaker 1: a call was placed to 911 from one of the
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  Speaker 1: roommate's phones. The dispatcher was told someone was unconscious. Officers
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  Speaker 1: arriving at the scene would later say the word unconscious
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  Speaker 1: didn't match the brutality that they found upstairs. Police entered
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  Speaker 1: through the front door and were met with an overwhelming
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  Speaker 1: stench of blood. What they found inside stunned even the
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  Speaker 1: most veteran officers. Blood seeped down the exterior wall of
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  Speaker 1: the house. The interior was a maze of violence, stab wounds,
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  Speaker 1: blood spatter, defensive injuries, it's speculated. Kaylee, Madison, Zanna, Ethan,
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  Speaker 1: all four pronounced dead at the scene. The town of
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  Speaker 1: Moscow had not seen a single homicide in seven years. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it had four. Part 2. The Victims To talk about
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  Speaker 1: murder is to speak in reduction. Victim, suspect, case. But
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  Speaker 1: before the crime, before the autopsy, before the press conferences
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  Speaker 1: and legal filings, there were lives. Bright, ordinary, vivid lives.
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  Speaker 1: To understand what was lost in Moscow, Idaho, you have
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  Speaker 1: to understand who was taken.
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  Speaker 2: There were four of them.
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  Speaker 1: Young, alive, moving through the ordinary rituals of college life,
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  Speaker 1: shared dinners, late nights, text chains, Snapchat updates, coffee runs,
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  Speaker 1: inside jokes. In the hours before they were murdered, they
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  Speaker 1: were doing exactly what they were supposed to be doing, living.
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  Speaker 1: Each of the four students killed in the early morning
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  Speaker 1: hours of November 13th, 2022 had their own trajectory, their
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  Speaker 1: own story, their own relationships. And when the violence struck,
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  Speaker 1: it did not just stop time, it ruptured futures. To
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  Speaker 1: understand the gravity of what happened, you have to see
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  Speaker 1: them not as a statistic, but as a series of
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  Speaker 1: unfinished stories. Let's begin with the one who was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be gone already. Kaylee Gonsalves Age 21 Major, General Studies,
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  Speaker 1: Planning a Tech Career Kaylee Gonsalves had already left Moscow.
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  Speaker 1: At least that was the plan. She had just completed
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  Speaker 1: her coursework ahead of schedule and was set to graduate
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  Speaker 1: early from the University of Idaho. She landed a position
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  Speaker 1: with a Texas-based technology firm and was preparing to move
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  Speaker 1: to Austin. She wasn't even supposed to be in town
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  Speaker 1: the weekend she died. But something pulled her back, something
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  Speaker 1: as simple as human, as friendships. Kaylee had returned to
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  Speaker 1: Moscow to spend the weekend with her best friend and
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  Speaker 1: roommate Madison Mogan before her official departure. She brought her
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  Speaker 1: new Range Rover with her, proud and excited, to show
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  Speaker 1: it off. The vehicle would later become a landmark detail
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  Speaker 1: in Kay's photos. By all accounts, Kaylee was magnetic. Friends
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  Speaker 1: described her as fire and light, a confident extrovert who
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  Speaker 1: wasn't afraid to speak her mind, but who always brought
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  Speaker 1: levity to a room. She had an ambitious streak. Tech
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  Speaker 1: was the path she had chosen. She wanted independence, growth,
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  Speaker 1: and excitement of a new city. She was, in the
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  Speaker 1: eyes of those who knew her, on the cusp of
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  Speaker 1: something great. She had grown up in Rathdrum, Idaho, the
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  Speaker 1: third of five children in a close-knit family. Her father,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Gonsalves, would become one of the most vocal and
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  Speaker 1: visible figures following the murders, determining to keep her name
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  Speaker 1: in the headlines and the pressure on the investigation. Kaylee
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  Speaker 1: and Madison weren't just housemates. Their history stretched back to childhood.
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  Speaker 1: They had grown up together, gone to school together, and
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  Speaker 1: made a deliberate decision to attend the same university and
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  Speaker 1: even live together as upperclassmen. That choice, the decision to
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  Speaker 1: spend one more night in town with her best friend,
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  Speaker 1: would be her last. Madison Mogan, age 21, marketing, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.
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  Speaker 1: Where Kaylee was the spark, Maddie was the compass, according
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  Speaker 1: to friends. Friends described her as grounded, loyal, and quietly assertive.
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  Speaker 1: She was a planner, a protector. If Kaylee was the wind,
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  Speaker 1: Maddie was the anchor. The two had formed a bond
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  Speaker 1: early in life, inseparable through high school, roommates throughout college,
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  Speaker 1: best friends to the end. That night, they had gone
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  Speaker 1: out together just like they had hundreds of times before.
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  Speaker 2: Kaylee had come back to see her. It was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be a reunion, a goodbye.
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  Speaker 1: Instead, it became a tragedy. Madison was a senior at
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  Speaker 1: the university and was just months away from graduating with
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  Speaker 1: a degree in marketing. She had worked part-time at a
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  Speaker 1: local restaurant and was known among her co-workers as someone
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  Speaker 1: who always picked up extra shifts and never showed up late.
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  Speaker 1: Born in Eugene, Oregon and raised in Coeur d'Alene, Madison
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  Speaker 1: was close with her parents and her extended family. Her
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  Speaker 1: Instagram was filled with snapshots of vacations, friendships, and campus life.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing extraordinary, and that's what made it resonate. She was
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  Speaker 1: a 21-year-old woman building a future one step at a time.
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  Speaker 1: Those close to her say she had been considering her
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  Speaker 1: next steps. job applications, career moves, maybe even a move
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  Speaker 1: to Boise or Seattle. She had a boyfriend at the time,
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  Speaker 1: someone she had dated seriously, and who was questioned and
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  Speaker 1: cleared in the early days of the investigation. When the
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  Speaker 1: killer entered the home that night, Madison and Kaylee were
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  Speaker 1: asleep in the same bed. Whether it was comfort, routine,
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  Speaker 1: or just fatigue, they had ended the night together as
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  Speaker 1: they had lived it, side by side. All right, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to wrap up episode one right here. And in
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  Speaker 1: the next episode, we're going to pick up with part two.
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  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
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  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone? And
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to pick up where we left off with our comprehensive
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  Speaker 1: review of how we got where we are when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to the murders in Moscow. Zana Kernodle, age 20,
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  Speaker 1: major marketing. Zana was a fighter. not in the combative sense,
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  Speaker 1: but in the quiet, determined way that people notice only
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  Speaker 1: in hindsight. She had moved states, changed schools, juggled work
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  Speaker 1: and classes, and built a life for herself that was
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  Speaker 1: uniquely her own. Born in Avondale, Arizona, Zanna moved to
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  Speaker 1: Post Falls, Idaho, where she graduated high school and enrolled
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  Speaker 1: at the University of Idaho. Like Madison, she was a
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  Speaker 1: marketing major, and she had worked part-time as a server
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  Speaker 1: to support herself. Zanna was known for her sharp sense
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  Speaker 1: of humor, her sarcasm, and her athleticism. She's the type
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  Speaker 1: to crack a joke in a tense room, to speak
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  Speaker 1: up when someone needed defending, and she had a strong
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  Speaker 1: presence in every space she entered. Visible, direct, and magnetic
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  Speaker 1: according to everyone who knew her. In the weeks leading
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  Speaker 1: up to the murders, Zanna was spending increasing time with
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin, a fellow student, and Sigma Chi fraternity member.
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  Speaker 1: The two had been dating for several months, and were
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  Speaker 1: described as inseparable by their friends. That night, Ethan had
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  Speaker 1: stayed over at Zanna's house, located on the second floor
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  Speaker 1: of of the King Road house. Zanna's father, Jeffrey Kernodle,
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  Speaker 1: would later speak publicly about his daughter's final moments. According
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  Speaker 1: to the coroner and law enforcement, Zanna had defensive wounds,
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  Speaker 1: suggesting she was awake, aware, and fought back against her killer.
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  Speaker 1: It's believed she was the last to die that night.
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  Speaker 1: Her phone was still in use around 4.12 a.m. She
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  Speaker 1: had likely heard something. She had likely tried to respond,
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  Speaker 1: and in doing so, she had likely died fighting. Ethan
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  Speaker 1: Chapin age 20, major recreation, sport, and tourism management. Ethan
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  Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be there. He didn't live at the house.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't a full-time resident. He was there that night
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  Speaker 1: because he was spending time with his girlfriend. He had
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  Speaker 1: gone to the Sigma Chi party earlier, walked home with Zanna,
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  Speaker 1: and stayed the night. It was an unremarkable, casual routine.
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  Speaker 1: Ethan was a triplet, one of three siblings attending the
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  Speaker 1: University of Idaho at the same time. He had a
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  Speaker 1: twin brother and a twin sister. The Chapin family had
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  Speaker 1: raised them to be close, competitive, and loyal to one another.
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  Speaker 1: They were used to sharing everything, sports, birthdays, classes. Now
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  Speaker 1: they had to share grief. Ethan was a gentle giant,
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  Speaker 1: over six feet tall, with a wide smile and goofy streak.
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  Speaker 1: Friends described him as someone who made things better just
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  Speaker 1: by being around. He was studying recreation and sports management,
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  Speaker 1: and he was also active in Greek life and intramurals.
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  Speaker 1: Unlike the other three victims, Ethan was not a permanent
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  Speaker 1: resident of the house. This detail, his presence at night,
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  Speaker 1: would later become the subject of speculation. Was he in
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  Speaker 1: the wrong place at the wrong time? Or did his
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  Speaker 1: presence alter the killer's plans? He was found near the
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  Speaker 1: doorway of Zanna's bedroom, as if he had gotten up
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  Speaker 1: to confront something. There are unconfirmed reports that he was
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  Speaker 1: killed first, likely before he could fully respond to the intrusion.
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  Speaker 1: He died within inches of his girlfriend, both of them slaughtered.
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  Speaker 1: on the second floor. Two other young women lived in
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  Speaker 1: the King Road house and survived the night physically unscathed.
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  Speaker 1: Their identities were initially withheld to protect them from public scrutiny,
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  Speaker 1: but as the case unfolded, their role became more complex
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  Speaker 1: and controversial. One roommate reportedly woke up in early morning
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  Speaker 1: hours and opened the door to find a man in
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  Speaker 1: black clothing with a mask covering his nose and mouth
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  Speaker 1: walking past her. She later locked her door and went
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  Speaker 1: back to sleep. For hours, nothing happened. Then she called friends,
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  Speaker 1: then 911. This timeline puzzled many. How could someone see
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  Speaker 1: a masked intruder and not call for help? Why didn't
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  Speaker 1: she check on the others? But trauma doesn't follow a script,
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  Speaker 1: and neither does fear. That moment, frozen in confusion, disbelief, terror,
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  Speaker 1: became part of the case's enigma. The survivor became a
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  Speaker 1: lightning rod online, accused, interrogated, defended. But at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, she was a 19-year-old who saw something
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  Speaker 1: no person should ever see And she lived to remember it.
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  Speaker 1: She carries that burden now every day. Four lives lost,
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  Speaker 1: countless more shattered. Kaylee, Madison, Zanna, Ethan. They weren't symbols.
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  Speaker 1: They were not soundbites.
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  Speaker 2: They were people.
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  Speaker 1: And in the cold silence of that Sunday morning, someone
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  Speaker 1: stole everything from them. Their futures, their plans, their relationships,
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  Speaker 1: their very breath. And they left behind a mess, a
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  Speaker 1: forensic puzzle, a city in mourning, and a man soon
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  Speaker 1: to be accused of it all. In a murder investigation,
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  Speaker 1: the most dangerous period isn't when the killer is on
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  Speaker 1: the run. It's in the hours right after the bodies
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  Speaker 1: are discovered. That's when facts are scarce, memories unreliable, evidence vanishing.
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  Speaker 1: And the weight of the world descends on a department
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  Speaker 1: with no margin for error. In Moscow, Idaho, law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: wasn't just chasing a killer. They were already fighting to
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  Speaker 1: keep control of the crime scene that had started slipping
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  Speaker 1: through their fingers before their first patrol ever even arrived.
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  Speaker 1: 1158 AM, the call that changed everything. It came through
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  Speaker 1: the local dispatch center at 1158 AM, a 911 call
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  Speaker 1: made from a surviving roommate's phone. The phrasing was clinical,
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  Speaker 1: even routine. An unconscious person, that's what was reported, not
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  Speaker 1: a stabbing, not multiple deaths, just someone wouldn't wake up.
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  Speaker 1: The truth would be infinitely worse. The Moscow Police Department
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  Speaker 1: arrived within minutes. It was a basic welfare check, or
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  Speaker 1: so they thought. First, officers through the front door would
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  Speaker 1: later say the smell hit them before the visuals did. Blood. Thick.
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  Speaker 2: Metallic. Unmistakable.
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  Speaker 1: A pungent scent that had soaked into the floorboards, the drywall,
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  Speaker 1: the furniture. They didn't need long to realize what they
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: were dealing with. Four victims brutally stabbed multiple times. No
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: obvious signs of a struggle in the lower parts of
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  Speaker 1: the house, no evidence of a forced entry, no weapon.
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  Speaker 1: At that moment, Moscow, home to fewer than 30,000 people
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  Speaker 1: with only seven homicides recorded over the past two decades,
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  Speaker 1: had just become the site of a quadruple homicide with
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: no immediate suspect and no clear motive. The air turned
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  Speaker 1: cold fast. The scene they stepped into. 1122 King Road
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  Speaker 1: was a split-level house built into a hillside with three floors.
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  Speaker 1: The top two levels were used primarily as bedrooms, while
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  Speaker 1: the bottom floor, accessible by a separate entrance, was occupied
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  Speaker 1: by two other roommates. When the officers cleared the scene,
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  Speaker 1: they found two bodies in the second-floor bedroom, Zanna Kernodle
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  Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin. Ethan was found near the doorway, likely
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  Speaker 1: the first to be attacked. Zanna's injuries were consistent with
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: a struggle, bruising, defensive wounds, deep gashes on her hands
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  Speaker 1: and arms. Two more victims upstairs, Kaylee Gonsalves and Madison Mogan.
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  Speaker 1: They were found in the same bed, likely asleep when
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  Speaker 1: the attack began. Madison is believed to have been attacked first,
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  Speaker 1: but Kaylee suffered what her father would later call significantly
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: more brutal wounds, details that would ignite speculation about her
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: being the killer's intended target. No signs of forced entry.
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  Speaker 1: Broken glass or disturbed furniture beyond the rooms where the
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  Speaker 1: victims were found. A fixed blade knife sheath lying next
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  Speaker 1: to Madison's body stamped with the United States Marine Corps insignia.
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  Speaker 1: Blood spatter across multiple surfaces, including an exterior wall where
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  Speaker 1: it seeped out of the second floor onto the foundation.
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  Speaker 1: In one of the downstairs bedrooms, a roommate had reportedly
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  Speaker 1: opened her door around 4 a.m. after hearing sounds, crying,
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  Speaker 1: loud thump, A man's voice saying, it's okay, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to help you. What she saw next would haunt the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: A man in black clothing and a mask walking past
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  Speaker 1: her and out the sliding door. She didn't call police,
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  Speaker 1: not then, not even after locking her door. She didn't
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  Speaker 1: know what she saw. Trauma? Confusion? Fear? It locked her
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  Speaker 1: in place. The first 24 hours. Shock, chaos, and a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: gaping void. By the afternoon of November 13th, Moscow PD
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: knew they were in over their heads. The crime scene
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: was expansive and delicate. The victims were high profile. The
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: media was already descending. The killer, whoever they were, had
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: vanished into thin air. Police quickly moved to secure the scene.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Barriers were erected. A mobile command center was set up.
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  Speaker 1: Uniformed officers with rifles stood outside the perimeter. But internally,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: things were already becoming unstable. Multiple civilians had already entered
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  Speaker 1: the house before officers arrived. Friends had been called. Some
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: had even attempted to rouse the victims. Evidence had already
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: been disrupted. Potential DNA, shoe prints, and even digital devices
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  Speaker 1: had been touched by multiple individuals before the first detective
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  Speaker 1: even arrived. The crime scene was not processed forensic first.
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  Speaker 1: Patrol officers entered the house before crime scene technicians, a
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: necessity given the welfare check nature of the 911 call.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: but one that could have potentially compromised trace evidence. Despite
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: these challenges, the Moscow Police Department called in reinforcements from
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the Idaho State Police and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
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  Speaker 1: The joint task force included 60-plus investigators, forensic techs, and
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: digital analysts. This would soon become one of the largest
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: collaborative investigations in Idaho history. The first public statement, and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the mistake that backfired. On November 14th, less than 24
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: hours after the discovery of the crime scene, Chief James
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Fry stepped to the podium and gave the public their
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: first update. With reporters packed shoulder to shoulder and news
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: cameras capturing every breath, Fry made a fateful choice. At
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: this time, we do not believe there is an ongoing
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: threat to the community. That sentence, just 15 words, shattered
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: public trust. How could there be no ongoing threat when
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: four people were dead and no one was in custody?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: How could they assure safety when they hadn't even identified
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: a suspect, motive, or method of entry? Public backlash was swift.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Students fled campus in droves. Parents pulled their children out
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: of housing and classes. Online forums exploded. Local businesses started
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: locking their doors early. The message from law enforcement, intended
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to reassure, had the opposite effect. It stoked fear, and worse,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: it implied that police knew more than they were saying.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: The truth is, they didn't. All right, we're going to
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: wrap up right here. And in the next episode, we're
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: going to pick up where we left off. All of
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: in the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome back
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: to the program. In this episode, we're going to pick
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: up where we left off with a deep dive into
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: the murders in Moscow. Building a profile in the dark.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: In most high-profile murders, police begin with their inner circle. Friends, lovers,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: recent arguments... known stalkers, suspicious exes. But in this case,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: everyone close to the victims had an alibi. The rideshare
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: driver who picked up Kaylee and Madison, cleared. Ethan's fraternity brothers, cleared.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: The ex-boyfriend Madison had been texting earlier in the evening, cleared.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: There were no signs of revenge, no sexual assault, no
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: digital threats, but there was one glaring anomaly, the knife sheath.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: K-Bar is a military-grade brand. Fixed blade, Marine Corps issue.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: It's not a common household item. Whoever left the sheath
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: behind wasn't just careless, they were brazen, or they were fast,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: or they were falling apart. The sheath was submitted for
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: DNA testing. What came back wasn't a full profile, but
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: it was a start. A single source of male DNA,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: enough to begin building a genetic fingerprint. But it didn't
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: match anything in CODIS, the Combined DNA Index System. Whoever
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: this was, had never been arrested for a violent crime.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: No fingerprint, no entry, so they had to go old school.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Investigators began compiling behavioral profiles based on scene layout, entry
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and exit path, victim locations, time of attack, and forensic
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: analysis of wounds. They determined the killer knew the layout
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of the house or had studied it. He entered from
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the second floor via the sliding glass door. He likely
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: carried the weapon on his person, and removed it after
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the murders, but forgot or dropped the sheath in the process.
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  Speaker 1: He killed in a methodical control fashion, indicating premeditation. In short,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: this wasn't a crime of opportunity, it was a mission,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: and whoever had carried it out had thought, or tried
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: to think, of everything. Surveillance footage in the white car
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: that changed everything. In parallel with the DNA analysis, a
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: second investigative team was pouring through surveillance footage from gas stations,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: traffic cameras, ATM kiosks, and university buildings near King Road.
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  Speaker 1: That's when they saw it. A white Hyundai Elantra captured
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: at least six times between 3.29 a.m. and 4.20 a.m.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: circling the neighborhood. The car performed three passes by the house,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: slowed down near the driveway, then vanished after 4.20 a.m.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: It became priority number one. A national bolo was issued
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: for all 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantras. In the state of Idaho alone,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: there were hundreds. Nationwide, thousands. But one stuck out. A
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: 2015 Hyundai Elantra registered to a student at Washington State University.
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  Speaker 1: The walls close in. The man's name? Brian Koberger. 28
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: years old. Criminology PhD student. Teaching assistant. Loner. sharp-eyed, unnervingly academic.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: When police began to cross-reference his name with cell phone
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: tower data, a pattern emerged. Koberger's cell phone had pinged
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: near the King Road house at least 12 times in
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the months leading up to the murders. Always late at night,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: always brief visits, no known connection to the victims. On
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the night of the murders, no ping. From 2.47am to 4.48am,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger's phone went dark. That alone was suspicious. Even
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: more damning, a single ping after 9.12 a.m., just a
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: few hours after the killings, back near the crime scene.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Investigators began trailing him. Surveillance confirmed his behavior matched their
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: suspect profile. Nocturnal movements, obsessive cleaning, and by late December,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: a cross-country drive back to Pennsylvania with his father. On
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: December 27, 2022, FBI agents raided Koberger's parents' trash in Albrightville, Pennsylvania.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: They found a genetic sample from his father. It matched
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the DNA on the knife sheath at a 99.999% certainty level.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: On December 30th, they made their move.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: What makes a killer?
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: There are those who kill in rage, others in fear.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Some for profit. But what about a man who studies murder?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: A man who dissects the criminal mind in sterile academic
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: terms and then walks into a quiet home and puts
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the blade to use. Brian Kohlberger wasn't just a suspect.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: He was a student of the very crime he now
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: stood accused of committing. This wasn't a coincidence.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: It was a collision.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: When the name Brian Kohlberger first appeared in headlines on
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: December 30th, 2022, it didn't scream monster. It didn't conjure
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the face of a killer. Not at first. Instead, what
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: people saw was a PhD candidate in criminology. A pale, lean,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: slightly awkward 28-year-old man from Pennsylvania with thinning hair, a
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: sharp jawline, and the unreadable look of someone who'd never
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: quite fit in. A man whose eyes darted rather than met.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: A man who seemed more likely to write a thesis
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: on serial killers than to become one. But appearances lie.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: As authorities dug deeper, the picture that emerged was one
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of cold duality. A man obsessed with understanding the mind
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: of murderers, while allegedly planning and executing one of the
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: most surgically executed mass homicides in the digital age.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: This is the profile of Brian. Koberger.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger was born in November of 1994 in eastern Pennsylvania,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the only son of Michael and Mary Ann Koberger. He
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: grew up in the Lehigh Valley, a quiet suburb an
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: hour north of Philadelphia. His parents worked modest jobs. His
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: mom was a paraprofessional, In the public school system, his
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: father worked in maintenance and building services. From the outside,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: it was an unremarkable upbringing. No abuse reports, no police incidents,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: but inside the walls of that home, something was simmering.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Kohlberger's teenage years were marked with extreme isolation, social anxiety,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and a battle with obsessive-compulsive behaviors, according to former classmates
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: and friends. He was reportedly bullied in high school, ridiculed
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: for his appearance, his weight, his awkwardness, He struggled with
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: compulsive cleaning rituals, even wearing gloves at times because of
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: his aversion to germs. He was described as intense, analytical,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and always watching others, studying their behavior, their speech patterns,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: their reactions. At 17, he began a dramatic physical transformation.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: He lost over 100 pounds in less than a year,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: adopting a rigid diet and exercise regimen. The newfound appearance
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: gave him confidence, but not connection. One classmate described it best.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: He came back senior year looking like a different person,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: but the eyes were the same.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Still empty. Still cold.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Kohlberger enrolled in Northampton Community College, earning an associate degree
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: in psychology. From there, he transferred to DeSales University, where
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: he completed both a bachelor's and later a master's degree
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: in criminal justice. It was at DeSales where his academic
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: obsession took shape and where some of the most disturbing
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: red flags emerged. In 2021, Kohlberger began working under Dr.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Catherine Ramsland, a forensic psychology professor with national recognition. Ramsland
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: is best known for her prolific research on serial killers
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: and her biographical collaboration with Dennis Rader, also known as
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the BTK Killer. Yes, you heard that correctly. Kohlberger's master
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: thesis advisor was the woman who wrote the definitive book
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: on one of America's most infamous serial killers, He was reading, researching,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: and writing about murder under the tutelage of someone who
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: had spent years interviewing one of the most calculating sadists
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: of the 20th century. More troubling still was a now-public
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: survey Koberger posted on Reddit as part of his graduate research.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: The post titled Understanding How Emotions and Psychological Traits Influence
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Decision Making When Committing a Crime asked participants to answer
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: questions about There are thoughts and feelings before, during, and
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: after committing a crime. There are strategies for selecting victims.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: There are feelings of remorse, if any. There are planning
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: and preparation process. The survey wasn't graphic, it wasn't illegal,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: but it was surgical in its tone. Detached, cold, methodical.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Looking back, it reads less like an academic curiosity and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: more like a mental rehearsal. In August of 2022, Kohlberger
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: moved across the country to attend Washington State University in Pullman, Washington,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: just 10 miles from the University of Idaho. He began
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: his Ph.D. in criminology, quickly securing a teaching assistant position.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: By fall semester, he was leading classroom discussions, grading undergraduate papers,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and working directly with professors in the criminal justice department.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Students described him as abrasive, grading harshly, but clearly intelligent.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: He was fixated on crime theories, particularly those that emphasize control, power,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and motive, but others noticed something darker. He asked unusually
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: probing questions about means and opportunity. He sometimes inserted himself
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: into classroom hypotheticals, replacing the killer with I. When describing
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a scenario, according to sources, he bragged about his ability
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to understand what killers really think, according to others. Some
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: wrote it off as dark academic flair. Others felt it
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: was more. Kohlberger lived alone in an off-campus apartment in
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Pullman near Washington State University. He was nocturnal. Observers noted
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: his habit of walking late at night. He was seen
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: cleaning his car meticulously. He often wore gloves while shopping
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: months before his arrest. Most notably, his phone pinged near
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the King Road house at least 12 times before the murders,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: starting in August of 2022, always late at night, always brief.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: He had no confirmed connection to the victims, no known
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: social link, and yet his digital footprint placed him within
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: feet of the house over and over again. Was he
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: studying them? Whether he followed them online, saw them in public,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: or selected them at random remains unclear. But what is certain,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: he visited the area repeatedly, likely to build a mental map,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: understand traffic patterns, and perfect an entry strategy. Then on
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the morning of the murders, his phone went dark for
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: two critical hours. between 2.47 a.m. and 4.48 a.m. At 9.12 a.m.,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: it pinged again, back near the crime scene. Following the murders,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Kohlberger's behavior shifted. He returned to class, reportedly appearing relaxed.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: He graded student papers, but comments became vague and generic.
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  Speaker 1: He engaged in classroom discussions about the Idaho murders, reportedly
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: questioning why the killer left the knife sheath behind. He
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: cleaned his car inside and out, according to investigators. He
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: wore gloves in public, even while grocery shopping. Then he
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: drove cross-country with his father for winter break. During the trip,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: they were pulled over twice by Indiana police, once for tailgating,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: once for speeding. Kohlberger appeared calm, if socially stiff. All
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: the while, the FBI.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Was trailing him. Why him? Why them? That's the question
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: that haunts this case.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Was it rage? Was it curiosity? Did Kohlberger want to
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: test a theory? Or was it a fantasy turned real?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: The best working theory based on prosecution filings and behavioral
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: evidence is this. Kohlberger was a man obsessed with dominance
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: and intellectual control. His weight loss, academic accolades, and fixation
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: on criminology were all attempts to reclaim power he had
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: long felt deprived of. But they weren't enough. He didn't
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: just want to understand killers. He allegedly wanted to become one.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: He allegedly planned it. He allegedly picked the time, the location,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the entry, the path. He left no fingerprints. He brought
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: no phone. He took no trophies. He killed four people
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: in under 20 minutes. Then he vanished. One thing went wrong,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the knife sheath. That single mistake unraveled the entire plan.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: To understand Brian Koberger is to understand clinical narcissism wrapped
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: in academic prestige. He spoke with professors like peers. He
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: saw undergrads as beneath him. He was calculating, watching. One
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: student described his presence in.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Class like this. You could tell he thought.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: He was the smartest guy in the room, but he
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: was empty, like he was acting out what he thought
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: a person was supposed to be. And if Brian Koberger
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: is the man that the government is telling us he is,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: then that's the horror of Brian Koberger. He was a mimic,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: a hollow, a man who studied behavior to replicate it,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: but who never felt it. A man who may have
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: chosen his victims not for who they were, but for
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: how perfectly they fit into a plan he thought he
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: had perfected. But murder is never perfect, and the man
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: who studied killers may have finally been caught because, in
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the end, he thought he was smarter than everyone else.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Turns out, it turns out, he wasn't. Alright, we're going
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: to wrap up right here, and in the next episode,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: we're going to pick up with the evidence against Kohlberger.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box.