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A Scandavol Ramona-coaster · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King,
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Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most
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Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
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Speaker 1: years a production experience. Once a week from Reality with
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Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
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Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable
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Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about.
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Speaker 2: Watch Hey, rain Drive.
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Speaker 1: So look, with everything going on for the Vanda Pump
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Speaker 1: Rules and my confession that I was not on the
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Speaker 1: Vanda Pump train, but now baby, I'm on it about
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Speaker 1: a first class ticket. I am in the seat of
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Speaker 1: this crazy train. But I could not do this alone.
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Speaker 1: So I am joined by one of my good girlfriends who.
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Speaker 2: I love, love, love, love love in my Teresa boys.
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Speaker 1: She is the Holst Harper own podcast, The Sarah Fraser Show,
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Speaker 1: which you must check out where ever you get your podcasts.
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Speaker 1: So big, duh, I have my girl, Sarah Fraser.
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Speaker 3: Carlos King, I mean, Carlos, I know you're having me
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Speaker 3: on this show because literally when you listen to my
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Speaker 3: podcast and then when I team up with David Yonta,
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Speaker 3: we talk about you all the time, like we talk
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Speaker 3: like our friend Carlos when Carlos was we reference to you,
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Speaker 3: honey like left and right you are anyway. You know
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Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with you. You are the king and I love it.
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Speaker 2: No, you know I love you, and you know I love.
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Speaker 1: David and the beauty of our chifect the throat.
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Speaker 2: Ball it is, it is.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know we are.
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Speaker 3: We're the throat ble. I'm totally fine with that. Can
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Speaker 3: you imagine if you and David and I really all
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Speaker 3: hooked up and had sex. Maybe we need to do
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Speaker 3: that at Bravo. Kan want to get you a basgine,
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Speaker 3: Like what, oh god?
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Speaker 4: That would be something else. Can you imagine the blogs?
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Speaker 1: The headline of Carlos King admits of big enough threat
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Speaker 1: fault with David and Sarah. But what we're here for
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Speaker 1: today is to talk about all things Bravo. So we
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Speaker 1: have to just get right into it with the new
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Speaker 1: name of this gentleman.
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Speaker 2: So we're calling Tom scanned the ball.
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Speaker 3: That's actually pretty generous because I you seen people now
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Speaker 3: call him Tom scumdival, which is even worse.
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Speaker 2: No, isn't that Arry are?
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Speaker 4: Yes? Now they're referring to it as scumdival so bad.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, honey, I wonder if the network any Cohen
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Speaker 1: is going to refer to him as sumb devall because
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Speaker 1: we have to get into the fact that Tom did
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Speaker 1: an interview. It's hard to get a Bravo celebrity on
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Speaker 1: our podcast, very yes, very very hard, because it's a
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Speaker 1: tight leash when it comes to the approval process of
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Speaker 1: getting a Bravo celebrity in the midst of the show
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Speaker 1: currently airing, and definitely in the midst of a scandal.
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Speaker 1: So the fact that Howie Mandel who has OCD right.
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Speaker 4: Sarah very extreme OCD.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. In addition to that, he is known as like
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Speaker 2: the deal or no deal guy.
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Speaker 1: Like we know him based on like having these beautiful
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Speaker 1: women open up suitcases.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Megan Marco and Claudia Jordan.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had no idea that horrid mindale would even
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Speaker 1: be interested in speaking to Tom, but he did. So,
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Speaker 1: Sarah talk to us about this interview, what they talked about,
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Speaker 1: and your thoughts on this, because mister Andy Cohen was
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Speaker 1: not too happy with this interview.
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Speaker 3: I know, which Actually I feel like Andy should be
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Speaker 3: happy because Okay, the biggest thing about this interview everybody
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Speaker 3: and myself included, were trying to piece together, is how
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Speaker 3: were how are Howie Mendel and Tom Sandoval connected at all?
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Speaker 3: So supposedly they met at a wedding, they have a
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Speaker 3: mutual friend and then it almost sounded like at the
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Speaker 3: start of the interview and I didn't even realize that
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Speaker 3: Tom still had this. But he has a men's skincare
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Speaker 3: line in Target, and how he was almost an investor. Okay,
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Speaker 3: but even their friendship is not a super close one. However,
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Speaker 3: I do think I think for Tom Sandival this was
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Speaker 3: a genius move because my in look you you know
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Speaker 3: you you're a producer. I think he's about to get
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Speaker 3: destroyed at that reunion, destroyed. And this was a neutral
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Speaker 3: ground of Howie Mendel. I mean, it really did look
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Speaker 3: bad for Howie. How he knew nothing nothing, how I
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Speaker 3: didn't even know what Scandabal was. He didn't know who
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Speaker 3: Shea was, He didn't know who anybody. I mean, you
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Speaker 3: could have talked to him about Aliens, he would have
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Speaker 3: known more like I like Howie, but it was kind
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Speaker 3: of embarrassing. And so what I think it was so
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Speaker 3: genius for Tom though, is this was such a neutral
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Speaker 3: ground of someone who was so in Tom's corner, saying,
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Speaker 3: you know, you don't deserve all this hate. You're human,
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Speaker 3: I've known you, we're pals, You're a good human being,
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Speaker 3: which many of those things I'm sure could be true, right.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's just he's just done this catastrophic incident
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Speaker 3: in front of the world that we're all judging. So
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Speaker 3: on Tom's part, I thought the interview was genius because
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Speaker 3: you know how He's daughter's there and she's trying to
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Speaker 3: like make up for her dad's lack of knowledge. But
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Speaker 3: the questions were rather softball. They give Tom a ton
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Speaker 3: of time to explain, and you know, if I were Andy,
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Speaker 3: I would not. I know, it seems like how he
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Speaker 3: scooped him. But you know, when Andy's going to interview
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Speaker 3: him at this reunion, he's doing it in front of
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Speaker 3: all of Tom's you know, co stars like Arianna's there.
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Speaker 1: And Concubine and Concuban ask kind of occupied.
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Speaker 3: So it's like, to me, that's a whole other level
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Speaker 3: of cringe. I wasn't so cringed by this interview. I
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Speaker 3: was just it did give me more perspective, and I thought,
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Speaker 3: for Tom Sandoval, if I were Tom, I would find
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Speaker 3: a neutral friend that was really in my corner, and
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Speaker 3: that would be the first place I would want to
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Speaker 3: announce it.
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Speaker 2: Let's just really talk about it. Okay. We already addressed
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Speaker 2: the fact that it.
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Speaker 1: Is very hard to get a ravolerity to appear on podcasts,
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Speaker 1: especially because Bravo's approval pattern is very strict, is very strict.
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Speaker 1: And that's that's public knowledge. Okay, that's number one. Number two.
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Speaker 1: Tom is a heterosexual male, white male. Ari Mandell a hetero.
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Speaker 2: Sexual white male.
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Speaker 1: I think you're onto something, Sarah, in the sense of look,
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Speaker 1: Andy is really great at asking the questions that the fans,
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Speaker 1: all of us want to know.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Tom needed a friend in this.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent, Sarah, that Andy
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Speaker 1: must have handed Tom's his ass in front of him
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Speaker 1: amongst the other women and the castmates. That Tom knew
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Speaker 1: what was coming down the popline on this. I think
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Speaker 1: it's going to be a four part reunion.
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Speaker 2: I do too.
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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, people are so invested in this, one
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Speaker 4: hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: Four parts.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we know.
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Speaker 4: I think five is too much.
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Speaker 2: So for you.
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Speaker 1: I think four parts on Bravo and something special for
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Speaker 1: peacock that made.
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Speaker 2: Equal five wouldn't shock me.
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Speaker 4: It wouldn't shock me.
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Speaker 1: So I believe that Tom, to your point, allegedly went
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Speaker 1: behind Bravo's back to do this interview without Bravo approving it,
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Speaker 1: because I think he knew let me talk to a
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Speaker 1: fellow heterosexual, white male who I'm friends with, who doesn't
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Speaker 1: have these preconceived notions of not only the show, the
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Speaker 1: scandal and my participation in it.
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Speaker 2: And Harry Mandel, who, for all.
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Speaker 1: Intent and purposes, is a great host and a funny comedian.
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Speaker 1: He's not messy by design, he's not a journalist, he's
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Speaker 1: not a reality lover. So to have this sort of
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Speaker 1: safe space to emote without interruption and being challenged listen.
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Speaker 1: As a producer and creator, I'm on the side of
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Speaker 1: Andy and Bravo obviously, but as somebody who also is
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Speaker 1: a human being, I do believe that what Tom did
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Speaker 1: was smart in the sense of he wanted to make
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Speaker 1: sure he got ahead of the train brack that was
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Speaker 1: going to happen on the reunion.
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Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred and ten percent, right.
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Speaker 3: Oh, and look, I mean the way Tom Sandoval comes
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Speaker 3: across in this interview with Howie is he makes it
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Speaker 3: sound like for a very long time he tried to
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Speaker 3: dump Ariana. He suggested they go to therapy, you know,
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Speaker 3: he wanted somebody, you know, a neutral ground to explain
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Speaker 3: it to her that she was just not taking no.
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Speaker 3: And even towards the end of their relationship, before he'd
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Speaker 3: had sex with Raquel the first time, he was facetiming
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Speaker 3: with Raquel with arian in the room, and you know,
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Speaker 3: she didn't even notice what was happening. I mean, Tom
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Speaker 3: sets it up if I didn't know the whole story,
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Speaker 3: right I and I did even walk away with more
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Speaker 3: empathy towards Tom Sandoval from this interview, because Tom makes
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Speaker 3: it sound like they really were over, you know, and
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Speaker 3: then they he ends up getting with Raquel, even though
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Speaker 3: because he and Ariana have been having issues for so
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Speaker 3: long and they were so distant, she she would never
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Speaker 3: apologize in the relationship. And look, Carlos, I don't know
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Speaker 3: about you, but in my life I've che on people
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Speaker 3: and I've been cheated on. And the truth of the matter,
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Speaker 3: well I don't care because when you cheat, there is
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Speaker 3: something fundamentally going wrong in the relationship. And I think
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Speaker 3: what I walked away from that, Howie Mandel interview, saying
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Speaker 3: is they had major red flags. Now Tom's big mistake
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Speaker 3: is Tom is a pussy. You know you have to like, hey,
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry if it's why he didn't want to come
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Speaker 3: on my show for months. You were not into her.
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Speaker 3: You you know, you guys were in therapy. You did
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Speaker 3: not want to be with this woman. And instead of
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Speaker 3: just making a hard decision of telling her straight to
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Speaker 3: her face.
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Speaker 4: Over and over, we are done. I am not into you.
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Speaker 4: All the romance is gone.
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Speaker 3: He dilly dallied around until he had sex with somebody else.
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Speaker 1: Are he made a hard decision, He made a very
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Speaker 1: erect tile decision, maybe not Torihanna, but to somebody else, baby.
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Speaker 2: Because this is what I discovered too. Tom's hot.
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Speaker 4: He is hot.
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Speaker 3: And when they his mustache at the end of the show,
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Speaker 3: which which wasn't this whole thing fascinating? I mean, Howevendell,
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Speaker 3: a complete germophobe, somehow sat right next to Tom Sandoval
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Speaker 3: and managed to shave his mustache. Like it just seems
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Speaker 3: to me, like, really, Howie, really, are you that OCD?
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Speaker 4: Because that seemed like a deception to me. Damn it.
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Speaker 2: You know I didn't get that Eithering was very stray.
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Speaker 1: But it also goes to show you that I think
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Speaker 1: Tom just won a very safe space because look, I
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Speaker 1: can say this and it's true.
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Speaker 2: Bravo audience is watched by females and gay men.
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Speaker 1: Ninety nine percent of the audience is not on Tom's side.
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Speaker 2: So you're right.
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Speaker 1: He went on hobby show, he wanted to feel comfortable,
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Speaker 1: he got as mustache shade. He is a very attractive guy.
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Speaker 2: I'm like you, I cheated once before, maybe twice, but
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Speaker 2: it's because.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you too. Two sounds right, Okay, right, you're not
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Speaker 4: listening that happens.
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Speaker 2: I don't judge anybody.
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Speaker 1: Because I also used to make a mistake, but I
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Speaker 1: also somebody.
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Speaker 2: Who at least owned up to it and admitted it
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Speaker 2: to the person I was with at the time.
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Speaker 1: So I agree with you in the sense of things
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Speaker 1: have been bad with this couple for a very long time,
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Speaker 1: and instead of being honest, he was being, in your words,
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Speaker 1: a pussy and not owning up to like what he.
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Speaker 2: Wanted to do.
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Speaker 1: And I think if he was able to do that,
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Speaker 1: then who knows, maybe he wouldn't be.
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Speaker 2: In this predictiment.
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Speaker 4: Oh, completely completely.
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Speaker 3: I can relate and to your point the time that
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Speaker 3: I cheated, Like within seventy two hours, I confess to
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Speaker 3: the person, you know, And I was because I couldn't
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Speaker 3: live with the guilt.
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Speaker 2: Wait wait wait seventy two hours.
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Speaker 4: Yes, because I felt so guilty. Yes, it was awful.
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Speaker 2: Two years.
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Speaker 3: Well does the time really matter? It doesn't matter as
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Speaker 3: long as you're up to it. You're right, Okay, I
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Speaker 3: feel good about yourself. But you know, I mean, he
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Speaker 3: should have owned up to it, and he is hot.
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Speaker 3: When he shaved that mustache on the show after, I
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Speaker 3: was like, oh damn, oh oh, I got to turn
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Speaker 3: this off.
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Speaker 4: Good thing, this interview is ending. I'm about ready to dmm. Look,
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Speaker 4: I had more empathy for him.
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Speaker 3: I you know, I think the saddest part and I'm curious,
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Speaker 3: but you think because how he did have a good
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Speaker 3: point on this. Towards the end of the interviews, Tom
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Speaker 3: said he really doesn't.
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Speaker 4: Care about the hate.
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Speaker 3: I don't think he really gives a shit about scandabal
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Speaker 3: at all, except for the businesses.
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Speaker 4: He doesn't want to hurt his business partners. But what
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Speaker 4: he said is such a betrayal.
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Speaker 3: Is all of these other cast members going on all
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Speaker 3: of their podcasts, going on everybody else's podcast talking about
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Speaker 3: it and kind of texting him for information like, oh,
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Speaker 3: how are you so then they can use that on
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Speaker 3: their own shows and how He was like, you're on
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Speaker 3: a reality show, you know this is their time to
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Speaker 3: cash in your and he's and Tom is saying yeah,
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Speaker 3: but some of these people I thought were my friends.
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Speaker 4: This has been a decade. I don't know. Do you
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Speaker 4: ever have friends when you're on a reality show or not?
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Speaker 2: Really?
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Speaker 1: I will say this, obviously I have a lot of
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Speaker 1: friends on reality TV and you do too, Sarah.
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Speaker 2: And one thing we know is we know a lot,
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Speaker 2: and it doesn't mean we always.
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Speaker 1: Spill the tea because the thing is this, I am
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Speaker 1: a good friend and I keep my relationship sacred. I
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Speaker 1: know a lot about the housewives and the Marathion Medicine ladies,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. Unless they give me permission or they come
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Speaker 1: to my show when we talk about it, I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to spill their tea because it's inappropriate. So I
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Speaker 1: do feel back for Tom because you don't know who
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Speaker 1: to trust anymore. Like, for example, there's rumors that Quad
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Speaker 1: is coming back to Maritime Medicine, right. I talk to
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Speaker 1: Quad frequently I'm not texting Quad to ask her about it.
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Speaker 2: Number one and number two, I don't want to.
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Speaker 1: Put her in a position to where she feels like
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Speaker 1: if I tell Carlos, is he going to go in
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Speaker 1: his podcast? So I keep my friendships very separate from
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Speaker 1: the tea that I either may know or may want
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Speaker 1: to know. So I do feel bad for Tom when
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Speaker 1: it comes to that, especially because Lala can't have a podcast.
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Speaker 2: And this is no shade to La La.
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Speaker 1: Ever since this scandal, La LA's podcast has skyrocketed to
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Speaker 1: like being in the top two of all podcasts. Right
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Speaker 1: knocking down me and Sarah Fraser.
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Speaker 3: I know, damn it, you know, I get what Tom
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Speaker 3: is saying is they've really seen this as a moment
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Speaker 3: of ohshit, our entire TV show and careers have been saved.
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Speaker 2: So we're going to.
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Speaker 4: Double down on Tom Sandibal. Tom Sandibal is the victim here,
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Speaker 4: and he's not the victim.
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Speaker 3: You know again, Tom, what I walked away with that
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Speaker 3: Howie interview is I have empathy for him. It's not easy.
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Speaker 3: People cheat every single day. It's just that Tom is like,
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Speaker 3: get a backbone. You should have just said it and
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Speaker 3: come out and owned it.
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Speaker 4: From the beginning.
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Speaker 2: Listen, I agree with you one hundred percent.
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Speaker 1: So Andy Collen went on his radio show and said that,
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Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing. He thought it was a softball interview.
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Speaker 1: He thought that Howie should have done his homework. He
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Speaker 1: referred to Howie as the jack hole of the day.
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Speaker 4: That's a little much, I'm my Andy, that's a lot
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Speaker 4: and so much so.
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Speaker 2: Howie had to.
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Speaker 1: Go speak to Billy Bush on Atra TV saying that
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Speaker 1: I had no idea this was such a scandal.
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Speaker 2: I had no idea.
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Speaker 1: These Bravo fans are as crazy as they are because
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Speaker 1: they're attacking me.
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Speaker 2: He said.
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Speaker 1: I post on TikTok and Instagram every day. I have
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Speaker 1: been the past day or two because it's been insanity
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Speaker 1: for me and Howie.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: He's such a nice guy that he feels like I
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Speaker 1: stepped in the do doo.
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Speaker 2: But what do you think about all of that?
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Speaker 1: Is Andy justify for calling abr Mandel the jack hole
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Speaker 1: of the day.
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Speaker 4: I think that's too much.
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Speaker 3: I do agree with Andy, I mean, how he was
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Speaker 3: so not prepared and you know you have guests on
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Speaker 3: all the time. I mean you ought to know the basics,
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Speaker 3: like I get that he hasn't watched seasons and seasons
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Speaker 3: of vander Pump Rules, but I mean he should have
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Speaker 3: started the interview like, hey man, you know we're friends.
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Speaker 3: We met at this wedding. I've been reading a lot
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Speaker 3: about you the past three days. Are any of these
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Speaker 3: things accusations true? What do you think about this?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 4: I mean it was so ill prepared.
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Speaker 3: Completely, so unprofessional for a guy that's been in our
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Speaker 3: industry for so long, you know what I mean. It
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Speaker 3: literally was like he just walked in from I don't know,
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Speaker 3: after working out and decided to conduct an interview and
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Speaker 3: post it on YouTube.
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Speaker 4: It was like that flippant you know, I don't think
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Speaker 4: he's the jack hole of the day.
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Speaker 2: I don't.
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Speaker 4: I think that's a little much, do you know, Well.
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Speaker 2: He's Hollie macdeal.
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Speaker 1: But I also listen based on the Billie Bush interview
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Speaker 1: that Hobby Mandel did, I think it's everything we've been saying.
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Speaker 2: Tom is a friend.
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Speaker 1: Howie's daughter is a huge fan of the show. So
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Speaker 1: I think that Hobby was like, he's my friend, my
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Speaker 1: daughter think this is a great get. I'm a businessman.
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Speaker 1: I've been in this business for fifty years. This is
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Speaker 1: a great publicity for me. I don't think he went
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Speaker 1: and thinking it would be as much shade as he's receiving.
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Speaker 1: So I will say I don't think he's a jack
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Speaker 1: hole of the day. A lot of fans think that
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Speaker 1: giving Jackson Britney a show on Peacock is jack holish.
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Speaker 2: So let's talk about that.
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Speaker 1: Sarah Frager, what are your thoughts on Jackson Brittany doing
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Speaker 1: what some sort of after show on Peacock?
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Speaker 2: What is this about? Three parts?
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Speaker 3: When I had read it, it was three different parts,
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Speaker 3: all airing in April, I think April twentieth, twenty fourth,
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Speaker 3: and the first one might have already aired. They are
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Speaker 3: doing a behind this scenes, you know, telling their side
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Speaker 3: of what they witnessed all those years with Jackson Brittany
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Speaker 3: on the show and their relationship and you.
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Speaker 4: Know, because they've all dated each other.
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Speaker 3: You know, that's the part that people go, why is
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Speaker 3: this story so big? And again I fault Howie for
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Speaker 3: not knowing this. It's so incestual. That's why you know,
19:19
Speaker 3: there's eleven million people in Los Angeles and yet they
19:21
Speaker 3: can't seem to stop fucking the same five.
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Speaker 4: You know it, right?
19:27
Speaker 2: I mean, go on.
19:27
Speaker 4: You spend a night in West Hollywood.
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Speaker 3: There's so many people to do, yet they can't seem
19:31
Speaker 3: to find one other person that isn't at I mean, sir,
19:35
Speaker 3: is a tiny place, and let me tell you, they've
19:37
Speaker 3: done everybody in there, Like if they walked out a cert.
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Speaker 4: There's a lot of other people that have sex wen.
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Speaker 1: So does this mean that?
19:44
Speaker 2: Okay?
19:44
Speaker 1: So Jackson Brittany and you tell me if I'm wrong.
19:47
Speaker 1: At one point in time, they were canceled due to
19:50
Speaker 1: some racist allegations on it, both parts, because Jack's allegedly
19:57
Speaker 1: got into with a black cast member and says some
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Speaker 1: things about her.
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Speaker 2: Is that all correct?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's been a long time.
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Speaker 3: I mean the big one was Stossy and Faith, and
20:07
Speaker 3: I know Jackson had something to do with that. I'm
20:11
Speaker 3: not sure if I actually think it was a series
20:13
Speaker 3: of racist tweets.
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Speaker 2: So it was gotcha. I think you're right.
20:18
Speaker 3: So it was some racist tweets, and you know, he's
20:21
Speaker 3: been a long time Twitter user, and of course you
20:23
Speaker 3: know he was like the villain of the show anyway,
20:26
Speaker 3: and that sort of did it, you know, And that
20:28
Speaker 3: was like back twenty nineteen that the tweets themselves were
20:31
Speaker 3: old from twenty twelve, but he would say that racist
20:34
Speaker 3: things about like sixteen and pregnant they should call it
20:36
Speaker 3: fifteen and some other things, you know, yeah, anti LGBTQ.
20:42
Speaker 3: So anyhow, that had led to his exit, but now
20:44
Speaker 3: he's back. I was saying to you, I mean, it's
20:46
Speaker 3: so interesting. It's like, I don't know if today, if
20:49
Speaker 3: all this was happening, and you know, would Jax and
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Speaker 3: Stossi be fired. I don't know. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's very interesting because it's one of those things where
21:02
Speaker 1: when you do the investigation into the series of tweets
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Speaker 1: or accusations, do you wait until is completed to make
21:10
Speaker 1: a decision. We just don't know that, especially when it
21:13
Speaker 1: comes to Jackson Brittany. But a lot of people have
21:16
Speaker 1: said that they don't deserve this second chance, and they
21:19
Speaker 1: feel like, why are they giving more opportunities than someone
21:24
Speaker 1: lack of Faith, who from my understanding, hasn't been back
21:28
Speaker 1: on TV since her stint on vand the Pump Rule so.
21:32
Speaker 4: And has remained very quiet.
21:34
Speaker 3: And I'm sure you have, but I've certainly reached out
21:37
Speaker 3: to Faith to see if she would come on the
21:38
Speaker 3: show and you know, talk about her side of the story,
21:41
Speaker 3: but she never has responded, and I think that's for
21:43
Speaker 3: a lot of other podcasters because I think people are
21:46
Speaker 3: very curious about her side, but she has not. And
21:49
Speaker 3: then you know, even Kristin Dodie was fired and is
21:51
Speaker 3: now back and making appearances, and she was part of
21:55
Speaker 3: that whole racist accusations against faith. You know, Bistossy, I
21:59
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean you you have more of that
22:01
Speaker 3: TV executive. It's interesting to me if like time heals
22:04
Speaker 3: all wounds, or if you know, we are sort of
22:06
Speaker 3: a society of second chances, so maybe people feel like
22:09
Speaker 3: give people a second chance after they've apologized. And I mean,
22:13
Speaker 3: you know, we all make mistakes, so I'm for that
22:15
Speaker 3: for sure, But I feel like, now if this were happening,
22:18
Speaker 3: I don't think any of them would be fired.
22:22
Speaker 1: Who I hate you interrupt, but stay tuned for more.
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these quick ads. This is
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Speaker 1: Reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get
22:39
Speaker 1: back into the show. You are a Ramona fan. I'm
22:44
Speaker 1: a Romona fan. I have Ramona on this podcast Reality
22:47
Speaker 1: with the King, where she did talk about this allegedly
22:50
Speaker 1: this human resources investigation into allegations of using the N word.
22:55
Speaker 1: Vni Kay Williams, who I love I know you do too,
22:58
Speaker 1: She has said emphatically, Ramona used the word through what
23:03
Speaker 1: she was told through people working on the show, all alleged.
23:06
Speaker 1: Long story short, they were going to do the Roney
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Speaker 1: Legacy edition shortly after my interview with Ramone, which I
23:15
Speaker 1: want to get your.
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Speaker 2: Thoughts of that it wasn't re built, that Romo wasn't
23:21
Speaker 2: going back on Legacy.
23:24
Speaker 1: The Ramona referred to it as the Loser Show because
23:27
Speaker 1: they were bringing back losers.
23:29
Speaker 2: Now word on the street, according to page six is
23:32
Speaker 2: that Legacy is back because it was.
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Speaker 1: Put on Paul's due to the women allegedly not being
23:40
Speaker 1: able to come to an agreement on the feed. Jill
23:44
Speaker 1: Zarren went on Jeff Lewis radio show and said she
23:48
Speaker 1: felt like every woman deserved the same pay and that's
23:51
Speaker 1: what stalled the negotiations. But now they're saying the Real
23:56
Speaker 1: Housewives of New York Legacy audition will be like Ultimate
24:00
Speaker 1: Girls Trip where they may go to Scary Island, and
24:04
Speaker 1: that Ramona is in and Jill Zaren is out.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think this is one hundred percent true, and
24:10
Speaker 3: I think you called it and they listened to your
24:13
Speaker 3: podcast because you're the one that said if you were
24:15
Speaker 3: running Bravo, you would bring back all the ogs. I
24:19
Speaker 3: think the I think what the audience says and what
24:21
Speaker 3: the audience does is two different things. And yes, we
24:24
Speaker 3: want diversity, we want you know, we want accountability.
24:27
Speaker 4: But then people don't want new characters.
24:29
Speaker 3: They don't they want these people that they've learned, they've
24:32
Speaker 3: fallen in love with for a decade.
24:34
Speaker 4: I'll predict it here. I think Bethany Frankel will be back.
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Speaker 2: I do. She needs to because and I'll listen she wants.
24:40
Speaker 2: I love Bethany.
24:41
Speaker 1: I think Bethany had to realize that there's no other
24:46
Speaker 1: career for you outside of her Housewives, and you tried it.
24:51
Speaker 1: I think the Rewive podcast, she really thought that was
24:55
Speaker 1: the next big thing for her, and the first two
24:58
Speaker 1: weeks it did very well. But what you and I
25:02
Speaker 1: both know is all about staying power, and unfortunately for Bethany,
25:08
Speaker 1: that podcast is not doing well anymore. And she needs
25:13
Speaker 1: to understand that people don't want to see you with
25:17
Speaker 1: mister Wonderful on CNBC talking about money. People don't want
25:22
Speaker 1: to see you being a makeup tutorial expert. People want
25:27
Speaker 1: you on The Royal Housewives, and that's just it.
25:33
Speaker 2: So get back on.
25:34
Speaker 1: The show and make new fan base, get your old
25:39
Speaker 1: fan base. To me, I strongly believe Bethany does not
25:44
Speaker 1: have any more options out there.
25:46
Speaker 4: No, I agree. If I were her, I would lean in.
25:49
Speaker 3: I mean, I think she could have said I think
25:51
Speaker 3: she could have another decade on Bravo. She's so synonymous
25:54
Speaker 3: with the network, with Ronie, with Andy, with you know,
25:59
Speaker 3: she's just so well known. I would lean into that
26:01
Speaker 3: brand too, one hundred and ten percent.
26:03
Speaker 4: And I agree with you.
26:04
Speaker 3: She's tried other things, her own talk show years ago,
26:08
Speaker 3: now the show, you know, she made guest appearances on
26:10
Speaker 3: Shark Take then with Kevin O'Leary, and it just it
26:14
Speaker 3: doesn't stick.
26:15
Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 4: It is the makeup thing.
26:18
Speaker 3: I'm not sure even where the makeup thing has gone,
26:20
Speaker 3: or she wants it to go. I think she'll be
26:22
Speaker 3: back one hundred percent. And I think Ramona is absolutely back.
26:26
Speaker 3: People love Ramona, they love her, they want her back.
26:30
Speaker 3: I think it's genius that they reshoot this, this legacy thing.
26:33
Speaker 3: I admire Jill for sticking to her guns, but at
26:36
Speaker 3: the end of the day, you know, networks don't care.
26:39
Speaker 4: They don't care.
26:40
Speaker 3: You know, that was a platform for Jill to get
26:42
Speaker 3: back on the air and promote the shit out of
26:44
Speaker 3: her daughter's candle line and take.
26:48
Speaker 4: You know it is right.
26:49
Speaker 3: I mean maybe you negotiate, maybe you negotiate like four
26:52
Speaker 3: thousand dollars more in episode or something, but right, I
26:55
Speaker 3: mean the big paydays for a lot of these reality
26:57
Speaker 3: stars are done. They are it's a plot for you
27:00
Speaker 3: to launch other things. You know, I love our love
27:04
Speaker 3: our girl Candice Bascett. You know she is a person
27:07
Speaker 3: who is launching a bazillion other things from this housewife show.
27:12
Speaker 1: When I didn't have the McDonald's live show back in
27:16
Speaker 1: October of twenty twenty two, Jill Zarn came backstage to
27:22
Speaker 1: of course see her friend have the McDonald Sarah.
27:25
Speaker 2: Heather was like, oh, this is Carlos Jill. Zarah says, oh,
27:30
Speaker 2: so you're the infamous Carlos King.
27:32
Speaker 3: Oh.
27:33
Speaker 2: Jill said, oh, baby, we know Carlos King. I'm like,
27:37
Speaker 2: is that gonna bad?
27:38
Speaker 1: She said, oh, whatever you want it to be, we said, down,
27:42
Speaker 1: Sarah Fraser, she could not be more sweet. She was
27:46
Speaker 1: the nicest. She's everything we saw on television. She talks
27:50
Speaker 1: to Mala minute. She she's all over the place in
27:53
Speaker 1: terms of her thought. Her daughter was there with her boyfriend,
27:57
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Jill, get back on the show, Get
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Speaker 1: back on the show, get back on the show. We
28:01
Speaker 1: had a lot of conversations about it, but I agree
28:05
Speaker 1: with you, Jill. You don't need the money. You're as
28:07
Speaker 1: rich as they come. If I were you, Jail, I
28:10
Speaker 1: would have negotiated other things. Then, Jill, this money you're making,
28:15
Speaker 1: you're going to give that to your dog and his
28:17
Speaker 1: trust fond right. It's not a money maker for you
28:21
Speaker 1: in terms of episodic fee. This is a great platform
28:25
Speaker 1: for you to do other things outside of it. And
28:28
Speaker 1: because Jill my opinion, and you may agree or disagree, Sarah,
28:32
Speaker 1: I did not enjoy Jill on season two of Ultimate Girls.
28:35
Speaker 2: Trip because I felt she was two in her head.
28:39
Speaker 2: She wasn't enjoyable.
28:42
Speaker 1: And I think when she's around her real friends Ramona Deranda,
28:46
Speaker 1: Lulu Sonya, Kelly Vin Simone, that it would have been
28:51
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see the old Jill.
28:55
Speaker 2: Zarrant we fell in love with.
28:58
Speaker 4: I couldn't agree with you more. I couldn't agree with
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Speaker 4: you more and.
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Speaker 3: I mean, just to be a fly on the wall
29:04
Speaker 3: in that negotiation, you know where it really went south.
29:08
Speaker 3: Cause I have to believe she knows that because I
29:11
Speaker 3: hear great things about Jill, just like what you said
29:14
Speaker 3: in real life all the time.
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Speaker 4: And I'm like, I don't know, though, I guess she's
29:17
Speaker 4: one hell of a negotiator. She doesn't want to I
29:19
Speaker 4: don't know she doesn't want to give I guess.
29:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but I think she needs to give in.
29:23
Speaker 1: And last, but not least, people are either rejoicing and
29:29
Speaker 1: Ramona coming back allegedly or some people are protesting, at
29:34
Speaker 1: least on Twitter, a Bravo celebrity from another show tweeted
29:40
Speaker 1: that it was problematic to bring Ramona back. And to
29:44
Speaker 1: your point, there's fifty percent of people who think she
29:48
Speaker 1: should come back.
29:49
Speaker 2: There's fifty percent of people who think she shouldn't.
29:53
Speaker 1: Look, if an investigation is done, according to Ramona, nothing
29:58
Speaker 1: was founded. That's what Mona said, and I believe Ebanie
30:02
Speaker 1: also said she has to trust the process and nothing
30:05
Speaker 1: came out of it. If that's the case, we're basing
30:09
Speaker 1: this just off of facts of an investigation, then why
30:13
Speaker 1: shouldn't Ramona come back? If I'm basic on the fact
30:17
Speaker 1: that they launched an investigation, nothing came out of it
30:20
Speaker 1: to prove this without a shout of a doubt, Then
30:24
Speaker 1: why shouldn't Ramona get back on Bravo If.
30:27
Speaker 3: There's nothing there, you can't whether we disagree or agree
30:31
Speaker 3: with their ruling. I mean, there was nothing there, So
30:34
Speaker 3: I think they bring her back one hundred percent. And
30:37
Speaker 3: I just I do think when it comes to Ramona,
30:40
Speaker 3: I think people are going to be happier than they
30:41
Speaker 3: of course, they are going to be people that are.
30:43
Speaker 4: Upset, but I think Ramona is a big draw.
30:47
Speaker 1: She really is the reason why Rony collapsed the Legacy
30:51
Speaker 1: edition with at Ramona.
30:53
Speaker 2: It wasn't meant to be. You cannot do. Ramona is
30:57
Speaker 2: the face of that branch.
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Speaker 1: Equal to Bethany, Oh, totally equal to Bethany right.
31:06
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely.
31:07
Speaker 3: I think in another year or so, we're going to
31:09
Speaker 3: get Bethany on some show, and I mean that would
31:12
Speaker 3: be wild.
31:13
Speaker 2: Sarah Fraser, this is my prediction.
31:16
Speaker 4: Okay, I love this.
31:17
Speaker 2: Santa pumb Rules is.
31:19
Speaker 1: Going to survive another ten years due to this scandal.
31:24
Speaker 1: So Vanda pump Roules has been resurrected due to the scandal,
31:28
Speaker 1: because the show was kind of get him off.
31:30
Speaker 2: The grid a little bit.
31:31
Speaker 1: But with the resurgence of Jack's, Brittany, Kristen and all
31:35
Speaker 1: these other people, there could be more life into the show.
31:39
Speaker 1: So that's my prediction for Vanda Pump Rules. Last, but
31:42
Speaker 1: not least, I do believe that if you're.
31:46
Speaker 2: Going to do a rony, you need Ramona.
31:48
Speaker 4: That's a bold prediction for Vander. I was thinking more
31:50
Speaker 4: like three years.
31:51
Speaker 2: I don't know.
31:52
Speaker 4: I just felt like, sorry, Vander. I mean, honestly, I
31:59
Speaker 4: don't know. I know you're a busy man.
32:01
Speaker 3: I don't even watch I can't even keep up with
32:03
Speaker 3: all of the franchises anymore. But I have been watching
32:05
Speaker 3: this season of Vander Pump Rules, and I mean, I
32:07
Speaker 3: would argue with anyone it's not that compelling. If we
32:10
Speaker 3: didn't have this huge shoe dropping, I don't think we
32:15
Speaker 3: would be talking about a renewal of this season. I'm sorry,
32:18
Speaker 3: She's wedding is coming, and you know, James Kennedy is
32:21
Speaker 3: having a little meltdown or whatever.
32:23
Speaker 4: But it's very boring.
32:25
Speaker 3: But you keep watching because you're like, oh, I want
32:27
Speaker 3: to see the signs, Like what was Tom and Raquel doing?
32:29
Speaker 4: Were they getting close.
32:30
Speaker 2: Where was this?
32:31
Speaker 1: You know?
32:31
Speaker 4: Like, that's it.
32:32
Speaker 3: That's the only reason I'm watching. There isn't any other
32:34
Speaker 3: storyline here.
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