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How to Handle Anger Biblically with Dr. Gary Chapman & Making Peace with What You Can’t Control with Lysa TerKeurst · Karl and Crew

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S4: I know I'm organizing. It's actually been over five.
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S2: Has it?
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S4: Yes. Has it for about five. Yeah. Believe it or not.
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S4: I mean, it's just a precious time and it just. Yeah.
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S2: thing for me is when we get those little reports back, yes,
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S2: people will sometimes say how much it encouraged them, or
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S2: maybe something specific that they felt to pray for us
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S2: and we give you prayer prompts. So we don't just
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S2: kind of leave you out there just praying and trying
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S2: to land on the right thing. But just the, the
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S2: amount of testimonies that have come out of it have
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S5: Such, such an amazing thing. It's been beautiful to watch
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S5: this year. I have made a promise. Now you got
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S5: and we are going to have him talk about the
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S5: spiritual war we're in and how prayer is the jehoshaphat's
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S5: army of getting the worshipers out in front to bust
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S5: down these walls of opposition. All right. So we're going
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S5: to he doesn't even know it yet. I better send
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S5: him an email. He'll be. But he'll.
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S2: Do it. He'll he'll be down.
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S5: He'll be down for it. So it's going to it's
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S5: we've had mornings, candidly, when we're up against something. In fact. Oh,
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S5: the most fun about joining this team is in the
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S5: last couple of years, we've had twice that I remember
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S5: distinctly where I said, Ali, get a video made. Let's
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S2: Truly, I mean, it is absolutely remarkable. And there's something
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S2: the simplicity and the invitation that's there for us to
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S5: It's Carl and crew. You know, I boom crew. I
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S5: don't even know how to say this except to say it.
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S5: We've got to get to the point where we can
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S5: look at everything in our life and say, God, you've
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S5: done that. And one of the big problems in the
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S5: Western church, and I say this often, but it's attributed
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S5: to probably the relative absence of persecution relative to our
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S5: brothers and sisters around the globe, and historically that to
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S5: claim the name of Jesus was very costly. And so
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S5: first off, you wouldn't just throw those words around. Yeah,
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S5: I'm a disciple of Christ. Yeah, I'm a Christian. Unless
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S5: you really were. And for many of our brothers and sisters,
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S5: as we try to update you around the globe, they're
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S5: still in that seat today. But look what you've done.
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S5: How do we get there? My bride and I had
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S5: a great dinner last night, Ali, with Pastor Lutzer and
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S5: his bride, Rebecca.
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S2: That's awesome.
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S5: Yeah, we had about 3.5 hours together. Ali. And it
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S5: was one of the most beautiful, beautiful things. Now, it
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S5: brought a lot of emotion. They actually wanted to hear
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S5: our story, and it took about two hours to unpack.
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S5: Mainly an event that happened in our life a number
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S5: of years ago. And, you know, we were able to
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S5: share some of the details of that. Some of it
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S5: that ripped our heart out, left us in a season
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S5: long season, probably six years where it was either jobs,
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S5: my bride crying in the middle of the night, or
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S5: me crying in the middle of the night, or both
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S5: of us together. And it would lead to sometimes getting
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S5: up and having a date at 3 a.m., going through
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S5: a 24 hour Starbucks to get a cup of coffee,
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S5: can't sleep. All you can do is cry and you
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S5: might say, well, Carl, what in the world good can
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S5: come out of that? And there's a lot. But I
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S5: think the most essential thing is that when you go
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S5: through a season of brokenness, you can pray, oh, God,
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S5: get me out of this. Right? You can pray, God,
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S5: get me out of this. But really, the prayer needs
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S5: to be wherever you are today. And I mean this
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S5: from the bottom of my heart. Get me through this,
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S5: learning things about your grace that I otherwise would never learn.
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S5: And it's painful. It's hard. And some of you are
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S5: going through this right now, but I can testify. My
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S5: bride can testify to the reality that God is in
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S5: the business of bringing us to the point where we
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S5: realize that the the posture where God saved us is
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S5: the only posture to walk forward with God. And I,
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S5: I just yearn to jump in this car with you
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S5: or to get on this path with you, or in
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S5: your kitchen, or in your home or in your office
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S5: and just tell you the great Deception that we bought
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S5: in Western Christianity is that yes, we must be broken
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S5: because it's at this point of brokenness that God saves
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S5: our soul. But somehow we have bought a lie that
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S5: the rest of it, the rest of it, is up
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S5: to us, at least a large portion of it. Now, theologically,
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S5: we know that we are what we are by the
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S5: grace of God, but our pathology shows us that, boy,
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S5: we think it's up to us.
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S2: Yeah, we live like it, we act like it. We
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S2: talk like it sometimes.
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S5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a big deal. You know, we
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S5: got down to the end of the night and Rebecca said,
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S5: can I share with you. Oh, goodness sakes, this might
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S5: choke me up. Rebecca Lutzer looked at Janine and I
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S5: and said, could I share with you the verse that
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S5: God has given me for my life, he said. Absolutely.
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S5: She opened her Bible and went to first Corinthians, chapter 15,
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S5: verse ten. Now let me give you the backstory on this.
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S5: The Apostle Paul is talking about, hey, listen, I'm the
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S5: least of the apostles. And parenthetically, what he's saying here is, look,
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S5: I was chasing Christians down when Jesus saved me. But
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S5: then he goes on to explain something that is so powerful.
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S5: So we often talk around here about dependence and out
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S5: of dependence that creates diligence. But sometimes then that diligence
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S5: turns into, I got to do it, I got to
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S5: do it, I got to do it. But these verses
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S5: here debunk that thing so powerfully. Listen to what Paul says.
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S5: But by the grace of God, I am what I am.
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S5: Who is that sweet? By the grace of God, his.
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S5: His favor. His power alone. Right?
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S2: All right, that's it.
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S5: But he goes on from there in his grace toward
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S5: me was not in vain. Check this out. His grace
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S5: toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I
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S5: worked harder than any of them. All the Apostle's, though
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S5: it was not I, but the grace of God that
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S5: was with me. Now think about that for a moment.
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S5: This this is this is probably the most fundamental discipleship
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S5: principle that you can possibly land on.
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S2: Okay. Why is that?
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S5: Because everything the scripture we read, the the small groups
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S5: we attend, the the leadership position that we have at church,
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S5: the way we parent, the way we are as a husband, the, the,
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S5: the abundance of being a phenomenal bride to your husband.
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S5: All of these things that we do in life, if
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S5: they're fueled by an awareness, a humble awareness that it
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S5: is what it is by the grace of God, it
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S5: will keep us clinging to the power source. Otherwise we
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S5: get unplugged. It's the bottom line. I love to talk
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S5: about my dad. And I never get tired of it.
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S5: My dad knew the grace of God. In fact, Rebecca said,
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S5: what was your dad like? I said, I'll tell you
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S5: what my dad was like, and I don't know why
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S5: I go to bleed and break lines, but that's where
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S5: my memory goes. I remember as a little guy getting
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S5: in a car pump and brakes, those of you that
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S5: know anything about this, you'll get it. But you had
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S5: to get the air out of the brake lines so
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S5: that the fluid could flow and actually press the brakes well,
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S5: so that they weren't skipping and or not working at all.
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S5: So my dad would say, okay, pump the brakes, hold,
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S5: hold the brake, and he'd be under there with this
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S5: little valve that you would open and let the air
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S5: out until the fluid would come out, and then you'd
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S5: close the valve on each break all around each of
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S5: those four stations on a car. And we went through
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S5: this for about an hour. Dad say pump hold and
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S5: I'd get distracted. He goes, Carl, are you in there? Yeah, dad. Yeah, dad.
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S5: And I'm dreaming about something else. He goes, okay, pump it, son.
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S5: So I'd pump that break pump. He'd say, hold it.
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S5: And then I'd feel that break go down because he
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S5: was bleeding air and fluid out. And he'd closed that valve.
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S5: Do you know what dad did? Boy, it made no
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S5: sense to me then. But, boy, does it make sense now.
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S5: He rolled out from under that car after that last
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S5: break was bled, and he got up and he had
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S5: a smile on his face. And he said. Carl, God
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S5: gave us the grace to bleed those breaks. Oh, how
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S5: good God is to us, Carl. Now, inside is a
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S5: little guy I'm thinking. Dad, I was pumping the pedal
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S5: and you're bleeding the valve. No, no. My dad saw
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S5: God's grace in everything. Everything. And when we can get
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S5: to that point, it changes everything. The husband that you
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S5: want to be. Men, you do it by God's grace.
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S5: Some of you have said, I. I've I've tried to. I've.
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S5: I've tried to love my wife. Well. Carl, I've tried to.
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S5: But here's what I want to ask you. Have you
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S5: done it through the utter dependence on God? That humble
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S5: posture that. When you get done rubbing her back. And
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S5: then when you're in the middle of serving her or
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S5: doing a honeydew, you're doing it aware that it's God's
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S5: grace that's fueling you. Not obligation. Not a sense of duty,
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S5: but a sense of delight because God's fueled you. But
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S5: by the grace of God, Paul says, I am what
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S5: I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain.
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S5: On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them,
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S5: though it was not I but the grace of God
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S5: that is with me. Wow. Wow. Wow. And if we
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S5: can learn to live like that. Look out! So I've
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S5: got a question for you today. What did God do
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S5: to prove to you? That his grace is sufficient for
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S5: everything you do in life parenting, working, saving, serving at church,
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S5: using your gifts, using your talents. When did and how
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S5: did God pry from your hands the sense that you've
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S5: got this and proved to you that only he has
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S5: it all? I want you to give us a call.
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S5: If that's your story of grace, give us a call
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S5: 805 557898.
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S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.
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S5: Man, we got a question, don't we, Ali?
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S2: We do. What did God do to prove to you
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S2: that his grace is sufficient for everything you do in life?
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S5: Thank you for all caps. Sing that. Everything for me.
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S2: Everything. 805. Five. Five. 78, 57898.
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S5: Let's go to the phone lines. Ali, who do we have?
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S2: We have Angelica calling in from Kissimmee, Florida. Angelica, what
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S2: did God do to prove to you that his grace
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S2: is sufficient?
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S6: The grace of God has taken me from a six
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S6: figure job in New York, put me in another state
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S6: of Florida, making less than 50. Yet I have the
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S6: house fully paid for. My car is fully paid for.
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S6: I'm closer to him and to my children, and I've
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S6: never been in the best job ever. All through his grace.
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S6: And I've never been in such peace and happiness. And
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S6: just so thankful and grateful. And I thank him for
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S6: it every day.
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S5: Angelica. Thank you, sister boom. This is why we call
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S5: you the boom crew. How sweet. You know, when you
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S5: start understanding the grace of God, it can make a
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S5: $50,000 job so much more fulfilling, filled with joy, and
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S5: the fruit of the spirit begins to irrigate your soul
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S5: than anything that even paid you double. Now, that's that's practical,
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S5: but that's powerful. It's theologically accurate, and it changes the
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S5: pathology of the way you live your life. It's true,
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S5: isn't it?
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S2: Absolutely. Let's go back to the phones. We've got Rose
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S2: calling in from Tarpon Springs, Florida. What do you say, Rose?
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S2: How has God proven to you that his grace is sufficient?
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S7: My husband and I were married for 34 years and, um,
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S7: his health issues were very, very challenging. And, uh, the
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S7: Lord sustained me through that time and he took her
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S7: home in January.
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S8: I'm so sorry. And he is just.
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S7: Showing me that his grace is sufficient.
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S8: Isn't it? No matter what it is. And I've had.
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S7: My church rally around me and just. It's hard.
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S5: But what's your husband's name? Rose. What's your husband's name?
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S7: Tony.
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S5: Tony. Man, he must have been a rock star for Jesus. Huh? Rose?
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S8: He.
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S7: Absolutely.
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S8: Oh, absolutely.
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S5: Rose, I want you to know we love you. And
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S5: you are. You are a poster kid for what it
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S5: is to see the grace of God, both in the
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S5: highs and the lows. And this is what it means
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S5: to walk with Jesus, isn't it, Rose? You're tasting it.
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S7: That's absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
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S5: It's beautiful. That's beautiful. Rose. We love you, sister. Thank
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S5: you for calling in today.
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S8: Thank you.
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S5: That's what Grace can do, Alan.
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S2: And there's a there's an emotion that wells up when
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S2: you talk about the grace of God that sustains you
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S2: through what otherwise seems impossible. Yeah. How? How? How do
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S2: you face the loss of a spouse? How do you
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S2: face the loss of a job? How do you face life?
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S2: But for the grace of God.
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S5: But for the grace of God. And you know, it's
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S5: not plan B, the grit, the grace of God is
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S5: the high road. Even in the valleys.
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S2: On the valleys, in the valleys, on the mountaintop. It's
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S2: it's the grace of God.
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S5: It's the grace of God. I don't know where you
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S5: are today, and I don't know what you are up against,
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S5: but I know this for sure. We are what we
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S5: are by the grace of God. Let this moment of
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S5: brokenness draw you near to his power.
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S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
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S1: Carl and crew.
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S5: Talking emotions, and one of the most real and yet
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S5: threatening emotions is anger. We find in Ephesians 426 through 27.
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S5: Be angry and do not sin. Do not let the
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S5: sun go down on your anger and give no opportunity
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S5: to the devil. What this passage implies is that Satan
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S5: is eager and ready to get a toehold in your life.
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S5: If anger persists. Boy, we got a great friend of
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S5: the show here with us this morning, Doctor Gary Chapman.
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S5: As you look back over your years of counseling, what
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S5: percentage of people came in with a measure of anger
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S5: into your office?
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S9: Uh, 100%.
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S5: Really?
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S9: Listen, all humans feel angry. We're made in God's image.
22:03
S9: And the Bible says God is holy, and therefore God
22:07
S9: is angry. He is righteous. And when he sees injustice
22:11
S9: and wrong, God feels angry. Yes. And we're made in
22:14
S9: his image. And we have a concern for. Right. And
22:16
S9: so when our sense of right is violated, we feel angry.
22:20
S5: You know, Gary, one of the interesting things is that
22:24
S5: as I've been diving into this topic this week, I
22:27
S5: am realizing that we have done a great disservice to
22:31
S5: the evangelical community in the West. I think we have
22:35
S5: I don't even know what the term would be. We've
22:37
S5: super spiritualized emotions where you ought not have some of these.
22:43
S5: Whereas if you look at the scriptures, whether it's fear
22:46
S5: or anger or any other emotion, we find remedies for those.
22:51
S5: And so there's a presumption that those emotions are going
22:55
S5: to crop up, including anger. Is that fair?
22:58
S9: Yeah, absolutely. You know, non-Christians feel angry. You know, here's
23:02
S9: a man that says, I don't believe in God. Steal
23:04
S9: his car, watch him get angry. He's made in God's image.
23:08
S9: He has a concern for right now. You know, the
23:10
S9: secular world has a different idea of what is right
23:12
S9: and what is wrong. To be sure. But all people
23:15
S9: feel angry. And that's why the Bible says when you
23:18
S9: are angry, don't sin. Not a sin to feel angry.
23:21
S9: But don't let the anger control your behavior. Yeah, I
23:24
S9: think in God's perspective, the anger is to motivate us
23:27
S9: to take constructive action. But I think we have as humans,
23:30
S9: we have two kinds of anger. We have what I
23:32
S9: call definitive anger. That is, we have been wronged or
23:36
S9: we've seen other people wrong and we feel angry. That's
23:39
S9: the kind of anger God has righteous anger, but we
23:42
S9: also have distorted anger. We get angry when we don't
23:45
S9: get our way. Yes, we got to see these differences
23:48
S9: or else we're going to be confused. You know, let's
23:50
S9: say that my wife says, uh, honey, uh, if you
23:52
S9: put your shirts in there on the gold chair, I'll
23:54
S9: take them to the laundry today. I said, oh, honey,
23:56
S9: that'd be great. I come home that night. They're still
23:59
S9: there in the chair. Something inside of me says, can't
24:02
S9: trust the woman. Did she sin? Yeah. Did she sin?
24:08
S5: No.
24:09
S9: No. I'll ask her about it. She says, oh, honey,
24:11
S9: I forgot about it. It's not a sin to forget, right?
24:14
S9: All humans forget so distorted anger. All of us experience
24:18
S9: that as well as definitive anger.
24:20
S5: The interesting thing about what we find here in Paul's
24:23
S5: teaching in Ephesians, and I think you've probably seen this,
24:25
S5: I have with four decades of pastoring, unresolved anger or
24:30
S5: allowed to brew night after night after night. The term
24:35
S5: here is to give Satan a foothold. And it doesn't
24:38
S5: mean possession or oppression, but it does mean to give
24:42
S5: the evil one a foothold. And, Gary, you and I
24:44
S5: have seen this. It is not good where this goes,
24:48
S5: is it, my friend?
24:50
S9: Absolutely. That's why I think that passage says, don't let
24:53
S9: the sun go down on your anger. We are to
24:54
S9: process anger. And Jesus lays it out in Matthew 18 said,
24:58
S9: if your brother offends you.
24:59
S8: Yes.
25:00
S9: And the assumption is you're going to feel some anger
25:01
S9: because he offended you. He said, go confront him. And
25:05
S9: if he repents, forgive him. If he doesn't take somebody
25:08
S9: with you and confront him again, if he doesn't repent,
25:10
S9: tell the church. Yeah. And the idea is the church
25:13
S9: will send somebody. I mean, this is constructive action. And
25:16
S9: then it says, if you don't repent. He didn't say,
25:18
S9: forgive them. He said, treat them as a pagan. What
25:21
S9: do you do for pagans? You pray for them that
25:23
S9: God will bring them to a place of repentance. So
25:25
S9: what we do is we release them to God. We
25:27
S9: turn them over to God. If they don't repent, we
25:29
S9: turn them over to God. We release it, and we
25:31
S9: release our anger.
25:32
S5: Yeah, a couple of things about that Matthew 18 passage
25:35
S5: that I think get misconstrued. Number one, that whole issue
25:39
S5: of confrontation has to do with two things. One is
25:42
S5: willful intent. This is somebody that is willfully intended to
25:46
S5: harm you. That's very important. And secondly, the process is
25:51
S5: there for restoration, not for punishment. Right, Gary?
25:55
S9: Absolutely. We're desire is they will they will repent and
25:58
S9: we can forgive them. Yeah. We forgive the way God forgives.
26:01
S9: God does not forgive everybody. God forgives people that repent,
26:05
S9: but they don't repent. We turn them over to God
26:07
S9: and we release our anger. Lord, I'm. Put him in
26:10
S9: your hands.
26:10
S5: Okay. We've talked about this one a little bit before,
26:13
S5: but because you went there, I think this is very important.
26:16
S5: There is a massive misunderstanding about forgiveness. And you are
26:21
S5: right on. And people will go to passages like Jesus
26:25
S5: on the cross. Forgive them, father, for they know not
26:27
S5: what they do. Now God was ready and willing to forgive,
26:32
S5: but God only forgives the repentance to the person who says, whoa,
26:37
S5: hold it a second here. I'm not to forgive unrepentant people.
26:42
S5: Some would say, well, that means that I have bitterness. No. Right, Gary?
26:47
S5: That means we can still have love. But isn't real.
26:50
S5: Forgiveness is a transactional relational effort, isn't it?
26:55
S9: Absolutely. It is a response to an apology or to repentance.
27:00
S9: Because God is our model. We forgive the same way
27:02
S9: he forgives. If they don't repent, we release them to God.
27:05
S9: We release our anger, then we pray for them and
27:08
S9: we love them the most is love your enemies. We
27:10
S9: love them. I remember a lady who said to me,
27:12
S9: she said, my husband left me, moved in with another lady.
27:15
S9: ET cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I was reading that
27:17
S9: passage that says return good for evil. I sensed God
27:20
S9: telling me, I want you to bake him his favorite
27:22
S9: pie and take it over there and give it to him.
27:23
S9: She said, God, if I went over there with that pie,
27:25
S9: I'd throw it in his face. So it took God
27:28
S9: four mornings to get me to bake the pie. But
27:31
S9: I finally went over there and said I was reading
27:33
S9: the Bible the other day and just impressed by God
27:35
S9: to bring you a pie. He said, well, that's mighty
27:38
S9: kind of you. Thank you. And he closed the door
27:40
S9: and her face took the pie and closed the door.
27:42
S9: On her face. She said, but Doctor Chapman, that was
27:44
S9: the first step in our two year process of reconciliation.
27:48
S8: Wow.
27:48
S9: So we follow God's plan, returning good for evil. We
27:51
S9: are having a positive influence on that other person. We
27:54
S9: can't make anyone repent.
27:56
S5: So what's interesting about that story that you just told, though,
27:59
S5: is that she didn't wasn't required by God or even
28:02
S5: requested by God to extend forgiveness until he had repented
28:06
S5: of those activities.
28:08
S9: Absolutely. That came much later in the process, she said.
28:11
S9: Two year process. Much later in the process, he apologized
28:15
S9: to her. He repented, and he broke off that relationship
28:18
S9: and came back and they came to get counseling to
28:20
S9: grow in their marriage now. But I think it's important
28:23
S9: to realize that because I think sometimes people say, well,
28:25
S9: I just can't forgive them. I'm hurting too much. Well,
28:27
S9: forgiveness is not an emotion. Forgiveness is a choice. It's
28:31
S9: a choice to pardon the person. Yes, it's a choice
28:34
S9: to remove the barrier between the two of us so
28:36
S9: that now our relationship can go forward. Forgiveness doesn't remove
28:40
S9: the memory. It'll pop back in your mind. Sometimes, even
28:42
S9: after you've forgiven them, it'll pop back in your mind
28:45
S9: and the emotion will come back. Sometimes the hurt will
28:47
S9: come back. Sometimes the feeling of anger will come back.
28:50
S9: But when it comes back, after they've repented and you've
28:52
S9: made the choice to forgive them, you just say, God,
28:54
S9: you know what I'm remembering and you know what I'm feeling.
28:57
S9: But I thank you that I forgave that. Now help
29:00
S9: me to do something good today. And you don't allow
29:02
S9: the memory and the emotions to control your behavior.
29:05
S5: What do you do with someone who's got anger right now?
29:08
S5: And either the person is dead and gone, or the
29:11
S5: situation is too far removed? How do you deal with
29:14
S5: that when you can't get at these people?
29:16
S9: I think you'd go to God and you'd say, Lord,
29:18
S9: you know the whole situation. You know what happened. You
29:21
S9: know how I felt all these years or months or
29:24
S9: whatever it is, and I can't contact them now. They
29:27
S9: either dead or, you know, they I don't even know
29:29
S9: where they are. But first of all, I want to
29:30
S9: apologize for my part. If indeed you did something wrong.
29:33
S9: I won't apologize for my part. But, Lord, I want
29:36
S9: to commit them to you and I want to pray
29:38
S9: for them. If they're still alive, I pray you'll touch
29:41
S9: their heart wherever they are, and you'll bring them to yourself.
29:44
S9: I don't know, father, that we'll ever reconcile, but I
29:46
S9: just want to turn them over to you. I don't
29:48
S9: want to bear the burden of all this. I want
29:50
S9: to give you. And if they're already past you, say, Lord,
29:53
S9: you know them. You know where they are now. You
29:55
S9: know whether they're with you or they're not with you.
29:58
S9: But I just want to release all that. I don't
30:00
S9: want what happened then to ruin the rest of my life.
30:03
S9: And so I want to follow you and discover what
30:05
S9: you have for me the rest of my life. It's
30:08
S9: a choice to release it.
30:10
S5: Yeah. And I've heard at times, and I think it's
30:12
S5: a good exercise sometimes. Get an open chair in front
30:14
S5: of you and have a little talk with you and
30:17
S5: God and that person that can't be in that chair
30:19
S5: physically and just rehearse some of that pain and then say,
30:22
S5: you know what? You're not even here to ask for forgiveness,
30:26
S5: but I'm going to release you right now. And there's
30:29
S5: something powerful about that, isn't there, Gary?
30:31
S9: Absolutely. I think another factor is we have to learn
30:34
S9: to forgive ourselves when we've done wrong. I remember I
30:37
S9: was speaking in jail one time and a man said
30:39
S9: I was speaking on forgiveness. And he said, doctor, chairman,
30:41
S9: you know, I know God has forgiven me for what
30:44
S9: I did, and my wife has forgiven me and my
30:47
S9: children have forgiven me. But what I want to know is,
30:50
S9: how do I forgive myself? And I shot up a
30:52
S9: little prayer and I came back with this answer. I said,
30:55
S9: I suggest if, if, if the chaplain here can get
30:58
S9: you in front of a mirror in a room by
31:00
S9: yourself that you talk to yourself and you say, self,
31:05
S9: what you did was awful, but you confessed it and
31:08
S9: you repented of it, and God has forgiven you, and
31:11
S9: your wife has forgiven you, and your children have forgiven you.
31:14
S9: So self today I choose to forgive you. It's a choice.
31:19
S9: It's not a feeling. It's a choice.
31:20
S8: Yeah.
31:20
S9: It's beautiful. And so this whole thing of anger and processing,
31:25
S9: this is a huge part of life. That's why the
31:27
S9: book I wrote years ago said anger. That's the title
31:30
S9: of the book, Taming a Powerful Emotion. Most people need
31:33
S9: help understanding anger and forgiveness and all of that.
31:38
S5: You know, I want to go back to this forgiveness
31:40
S5: issue here because you co-authored a book called When Sorry
31:44
S5: is Not Enough. That is powerful. And it's just, I
31:49
S5: don't know, I want to think it's like 13, 14
31:51
S5: pages in when you offer up that circuit breaking. You
31:57
S5: really dispel a myth, and that is that forgiveness is
32:01
S5: not a relational, transactional word as it is. But we've
32:06
S5: put it out there like, oh, you got to, you
32:08
S5: got to forgive. We actually rip people off. It seems
32:12
S5: to me. Gary. Doctor Gary Chapman, my guest right now,
32:15
S5: when we say, well, somebody comes to us and says,
32:18
S5: you know, oh, would you forgive me for speaking to
32:21
S5: you the way I did? And then we say, I
32:24
S5: think wrongly, I've already done that because we steal from
32:29
S5: that other person the opportunity of engaging with us at
32:33
S5: that kind of a heart level, as we do with God.
32:37
S5: When we ask for forgiveness of our sins. It'd be
32:40
S5: a bummer if we heard in our heart, oh, I
32:42
S5: already forgave you for that. Because number one, it's not true.
32:45
S5: Number two, it robs us of that moment. Gary.
32:48
S9: Absolutely. And that's why I think apology is so important.
32:52
S9: In the book you mentioned, I talk about the five
32:54
S9: languages of apology because we have different ideas on what
32:57
S9: a sincere apology looks like. When we come to God
33:00
S9: confessing our sin, God knows whether we're sincere or not.
33:03
S9: He knows our heart. When someone's apologizing to us, they
33:07
S9: may not apologize in a way that we think they
33:09
S9: ought to be apologizing because we don't know their heart.
33:12
S9: We tend to question their sincerity. That book has helped
33:15
S9: a lot of people understand how to express your apology
33:18
S9: in a way that's meaningful to the other person. But yeah,
33:20
S9: the choice to forgive comes when they confess their sins.
33:24
S9: Other than that, we just released them to God. And
33:27
S9: when they come back and are apologizing to us, we
33:30
S9: need to say, I'm so glad you came because we've
33:32
S9: been praying for them. So this whole thing of apologizing
33:35
S9: is huge and it can heal relationships. I remember a
33:38
S9: guy who said, my brother and I got into an
33:40
S9: argument 15 years ago and haven't spoken to each other since.
33:44
S9: And after I discussed his situation and so forth, I said,
33:47
S9: all right, let me let's let's write up an apology
33:50
S9: and you go apologize for your part in this. Okay. Yeah.
33:53
S9: And we did. And I said, I want you to
33:55
S9: go over there and knock on his door. And when
33:56
S9: he comes to the door, don't talk about the weather
33:58
S9: and don't talk about sports. You just say to him,
34:01
S9: I've come to apologize. And then you give your apology.
34:04
S9: And he did that, and his brother was behind the
34:06
S9: screen door. He opened that door, walked out, looked at
34:10
S9: his brother and said, you don't know how many times
34:12
S9: I wanted to come to you and apologize, but I
34:14
S9: wasn't man enough to do it. He was weeping and
34:17
S9: they embraced each other and forgave each other. And then
34:20
S9: they stood there and talked and. And then his brother said,
34:22
S9: why don't you come over Thursday night and bring the
34:24
S9: kids and let let's let's have dinner together with our families. Wow.
34:28
S5: Beautiful thing. Okay. Boom. Crew. When Sorry is Not Enough
34:32
S5: has been retitled to the Five Apology Languages. No problem.
34:37
S5: If you had an old copy, you know that's near
34:39
S5: and dear to you. I've got it within two feet
34:42
S5: of where I sit right now. My copy. But here's
34:44
S5: what I want you to do right now. Just text
34:47
S5: the word anger and you will get a link for
34:50
S5: both of these books. And these are going to be
34:52
S5: resources for you that are going to be powerfully transformative.
34:57
S5: Text the word anger to 800 555 7898. This will
35:03
S5: link you to the five apology languages in the book
35:07
S5: by Gary on Anger itself. Check these out. God is
35:12
S5: going to use these mightily in your life. There's no
35:14
S5: question in my mind. Some of you have been hung
35:16
S5: up on the handlebars of anger for decades. Text anger
35:20
S5: to 805 5578, 98. There's freedom around the corner, isn't there,
35:26
S5: doctor Gary Chapman?
35:27
S9: Absolutely. You know, when we follow biblical admonitions with relating
35:31
S9: to anger, we all are going to experience anger. But
35:34
S9: it doesn't have to control our lives. We can process
35:37
S9: anger in a positive way, and that's what God intends.
35:41
S1: She's a choreographer extraordinaire and everything is Greek to her.
35:46
S1: Super di is in the crew. It's Carl and crew
35:50
S1: on Moody radio.
35:51
S5: All right, I'm gonna do a big confession here I
35:54
S5: am a recovering control freak. I will admit it. Probably
36:00
S5: due to. I was about to blame it on God
36:04
S5: because of my spiritual gifts. I'm not gonna blame it
36:06
S5: on God. But here's the deal. So I'm a type
36:10
S5: A personality. But then you combine that with a gift
36:14
S5: of leadership number one. And I've recent discovery here. And
36:18
S5: this shouldn't be an aha, but administration number two. So
36:21
S5: you take leader administration. You put those together with the
36:26
S5: way God wired me. And it's not a laughing matter.
36:29
S5: Control can be a big problem. A lot of us
36:32
S5: struggle with this. Lisa Tucker is with us right now.
36:36
S5: You've never struggled with control. I know that. I'm certain
36:39
S5: of it. So tell us, how do we get over that?
36:43
S10: You know, for most of us, the struggle with control,
36:46
S10: it's not necessarily a power issue. A lot of times
36:50
S10: I find control issues in people that are highly responsible,
36:54
S10: highly capable and highly caring. So if you think of
36:58
S10: those three words responsible, capable and caring, those are not
37:02
S10: bad traits. Those are actually great traits. But those are
37:05
S10: the people that are most vulnerable to taking the responsibility
37:10
S10: into areas that there's things they can manage. But then
37:12
S10: there's also areas they cannot manage personally, or they take
37:16
S10: their compassion too far, their care too far, or their
37:20
S10: highly capable. So they don't really want to trust other
37:23
S10: people to do things. And so again, it's not usually
37:26
S10: a power struggle. It usually is that they've got good traits,
37:30
S10: or I should say we've got good traits because myself included.
37:35
S10: But something has happened to trigger us fearing the choices
37:40
S10: of another person or a situation. And so we take
37:43
S10: what our good traits and take them a little too far.
37:45
S11: That is so well put, isn't it, Ali?
37:47
S2: Yeah. I had to chuckle because I thought, are you
37:49
S2: talking about me intentionally or just. We used to curse
37:54
S2: with us. President of Proverbs 31 ministries. She's got a
37:59
S2: new book out this month, Making Peace with What I
38:01
S2: Can't Control. Tell us how this showed up in your
38:05
S2: own life, because you said you wouldn't have thought of
38:07
S2: yourself as having control issues.
38:10
S10: Yeah, well, the warning meter in our life that we're
38:13
S10: struggling with control is truly it's anxiety and fear. So
38:18
S10: when we have areas that we fear the choices of
38:22
S10: another person, we fear a situation that's spinning out of
38:27
S10: our control. We fear trusting God, and then we have
38:32
S10: anxiety that makes us. I wouldn't necessarily say makes us
38:37
S10: less trusting of the Lord, but it makes us suspicious
38:41
S10: that he's really going to come through for us. So
38:43
S10: the two telltale signs are fear and anxiety. Once those
38:46
S10: things start becoming kind of a norm in our life,
38:49
S10: it's wise to take a step back and say, okay,
38:52
S10: are there areas where I am trying to control an
38:56
S10: outcome that is beyond my ability to control? And usually
38:59
S10: it's an outcome? I mean, that word is a really
39:02
S10: big word to think about.
39:03
S11: Is this.
39:04
S5: Misaligned hope? I'm wondering, Lisa, because I mean, the essence
39:10
S5: of faith in God is he is our figure of hope.
39:15
S5: It's not a person. It's not a race. It's not
39:19
S5: a life station. It's him. So is this misplaced hope?
39:24
S5: Is this we feel out of control. We feel like
39:27
S5: we got to grab it. Has something crept in and
39:30
S5: taken the high ground of our heart?
39:32
S10: Absolutely. So there's a paper thin line between being responsible
39:37
S10: and being controlling. And here's how we know that we're
39:40
S10: crossing over that line. and I'll get to the hope part,
39:44
S10: because that'll tie in in just a second. But when
39:47
S10: we're responsible, we do everything we can do to manage
39:51
S10: what is within our ability to manage. But regarding the outcome,
39:56
S10: we place that in God's hands. So we know that
39:59
S10: we can feed our family healthy food, but we cannot
40:03
S10: ultimately prevent cancer. So you can see the difference there.
40:07
S10: It's like we can do what we're responsible to do.
40:10
S10: But regarding the outcome, we have to trust the Lord.
40:12
S10: That's if I'm being responsible. If I'm being controlling, then
40:16
S10: I do everything that I can do. Plus, I do
40:20
S10: everything that I'm actually not able to do because I
40:25
S10: am trying to control an outcome that is the outcome
40:29
S10: I think is best. And when we dig our heels
40:32
S10: in and say, I'm only willing to accept the outcome
40:34
S10: that I think is best, that's how we know we've
40:37
S10: crossed from being responsible to being controlling how it ties
40:40
S10: to the hope is that if we lose hope that
40:44
S10: the Lord can be trusted with the outcome of situations,
40:47
S10: even when they turn out differently or not at all
40:49
S10: like we want. If we lose hope in the Lord,
40:53
S10: then we have no other choice but to continue to
40:55
S10: try to control outcomes, which is beyond our ability. And
40:58
S10: we'll just live a life of extreme frustration, anxiety, and fear.
41:02
S2: Lisa, so many of our listeners have followed your journey,
41:06
S2: followed your ministry, and you've been very open and vulnerable
41:10
S2: about challenges in your own life. How much did you
41:13
S2: have to release control? With just so many stories swirling
41:18
S2: and not being able to kind of control the narrative
41:21
S2: of even things about your personal life that people were discussing?
41:24
S2: I mean, that had to have been really difficult. I'm
41:27
S2: assuming that a lot of this book is based on you,
41:29
S2: just your own journeying with the Lord in this area.
41:32
S10: Yeah, it is. And I think for me, I reached
41:36
S10: a place where it was so out of my control
41:40
S10: that I realized the anxiety of it all was either
41:44
S10: going to kill me or it was going to help
41:46
S10: me step into using this for good. At first, I
41:50
S10: stayed in that mode of trying to control the narrative
41:53
S10: because it feels so unfair. You know, when there's a
41:55
S10: narrative that's going around that doesn't line up with the facts,
41:59
S10: that isn't based on people's inside knowledge of you, but
42:03
S10: rather assumptions, rumors, and all of that. That's an extremely
42:07
S10: painful situation to be in. But at some point, I
42:11
S10: had to just stop reading about it. I had to
42:14
S10: stop shopping for pain, as my therapist would say, you know,
42:18
S10: because I needed to draw a line in the sand
42:21
S10: and use my energy in a different way. I could
42:24
S10: have spent energy the rest of my life chasing down
42:27
S10: every story and correcting every false thing that was said.
42:29
S10: Or I could stop reading it and move on and
42:34
S10: live a great life. And that is the only way
42:37
S10: to correct a narrative. You know, the fact that I've
42:39
S10: gone on, I'm living a great life. I love the Lord.
42:43
S10: I'm consistent. I have not changed people that were a
42:46
S10: part of my ministry 30 years ago, and people that
42:49
S10: are part of the ministry today, they would say, there's
42:51
S10: one consistent in this, and that is that Lisa loves
42:54
S10: the Lord and she loves her family. That's the best
42:56
S10: way to correct the narrative.
42:58
S8: Interesting.
42:59
S5: You know, I went to a week long intensive, I
43:02
S5: think you're maybe the first person I pitched this question
43:05
S5: to because I think you've got the answer to it.
43:08
S5: It was with Henry Cloud and John Townsend. And at
43:11
S5: the end of the week, week long intensive. It was incredible.
43:14
S5: Just it was just a handful of us there. So
43:16
S5: it was deep dive. And at the end of it,
43:19
S5: I think was cloud. Henry stood up and said, all right,
43:21
S5: we've had this week together. It's been awesome. This has
43:24
S5: been great. We've learned so much. It's been great. You
43:26
S5: guys are all leaders in your own right. And some
43:30
S5: of them were high level leaders big time. And he said,
43:33
S5: I got two words for you when it comes right
43:36
S5: down to it, at the end of the day, you
43:37
S5: got to learn to say these two words. Oh well.
43:41
S5: And that was the end of the week long conference,
43:44
S5: because I actually believe, and I've talked to Henry since then,
43:47
S5: there is something really healthy about getting to the place
43:50
S5: where you go, oh, well. Dot dot, dot meaning God's
43:54
S5: got this. I'm not here to prove myself to anyone.
43:58
S5: And it's not kind of saying goodbye to someone in
44:01
S5: some crass way, but it's just like, oh, well, right. Lisa?
44:06
S10: Okay, well, I'll change the word just a little bit
44:10
S10: if I can have permission from you to do that.
44:13
S10: I use this a lot, especially when talking to parents
44:17
S10: of older kids or adult children. I'll say there's two
44:21
S10: phrases that you have to remember. When your kids cross
44:25
S10: that threshold, where you are no longer in control of
44:29
S10: everything that they do. And these two things have been
44:33
S10: really helpful for me being the parent of five adult children.
44:37
S10: And so there's two phrases. The first one is, are
44:42
S10: you open to a thought? And if they say yes,
44:45
S10: then I share all of my 57 year old wisdom
44:49
S10: that they need for their 20 and 30 year old situation. Yes.
44:53
S10: But after I've shared all of my wisdom, they are
44:56
S10: going to make their choice. And when they make their choice,
45:00
S10: I know I've done all that I can do and
45:02
S10: I simply say, okay, now you get to choose how
45:05
S10: you say okay. You can say, oh, okay. Or you
45:09
S10: can say, okay.
45:12
S11: Okay.
45:14
S10: Okay. You know, you can choose how you say it,
45:16
S10: but okay. And then let that be that.
45:19
S2: You know, for so many people, there's this fear of
45:22
S2: what God has allowed in the past. And so there's
45:25
S2: a maybe a lack of trust of, you know, I
45:28
S2: have to kind of control because I don't feel like
45:30
S2: God's going to take care of me. I feel like God.
45:33
S2: Let me down over here. What do you say to
45:35
S2: the person who gets stuck in that? There's been genuine pain,
45:38
S2: genuine trauma, places where they feel like God, where were you?
45:42
S10: I relate to that so much. That has been the
45:45
S10: story of the past ten years of my life. And,
45:48
S10: you know, one thing that's really helped me is in
45:51
S10: the moment, it can feel like God's not taking care
45:53
S10: of you. But I have seen over and over how
45:56
S10: God has the future in mind that we can't envision,
46:00
S10: that we can't predict. So there was a situation that
46:03
S10: happened to me that hurt my heart so much. I
46:06
S10: just I could so clearly see God, if you would
46:08
S10: just do this and this and this, you know, that
46:11
S10: would make everything so much better. And I just couldn't
46:15
S10: wrap my brain around why God wouldn't do what I
46:18
S10: was asking him to do. But then three years later,
46:21
S10: it completely made sense. If God would have followed the
46:25
S10: plan that I thought was best, it probably would have
46:28
S10: led to financial devastation to me, but because he took
46:33
S10: it in a different direction, it felt painful. At the time.
46:36
S10: I didn't understand at the time. It felt so unfair
46:38
S10: and so unjust. But I'm here to say that God
46:42
S10: knows the plan. He knows something better. And even if
46:46
S10: we never, ever understand the why, we have to just
46:49
S10: trust that placing our lives, placing the people that we love,
46:53
S10: placing that which we cannot control into God's hands, that's
46:58
S10: the safest place for that situation to be.
47:01
S5: You know, Lisa, hindsight, it doesn't always work that way, right?
47:05
S5: It doesn't always work that way. But when it does,
47:10
S5: that's God's dinner bell to say, look, you know, we
47:14
S5: use the term delayed gratification. Sometimes it's delayed clarification. We
47:18
S5: don't understand his sovereignty. But then we look down the
47:22
S5: road and we go, yes, and that fuels other things
47:24
S5: that are left unresolved. Right, Lisa?
47:27
S10: That's right. Sometimes we just have to trust God's hand
47:30
S10: of faithfulness in the situations that we can better understand
47:34
S10: and now see the hindsight. It allows us to see
47:37
S10: how faithful he was. Sometimes we just have to stand
47:40
S10: on that. There's going to be other situations that never
47:43
S10: make sense, that never feel fair, that never come back
47:46
S10: around and seem to be made right. But the same
47:50
S10: God is in charge of both. And the faithfulness that
47:53
S10: we can see should buffer those times and help us
47:57
S10: grab on to faith, even when we cannot see what
48:01
S10: we want God to do.
48:02
S8: Boom.
48:03
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48:06
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