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SPOILED BRAT, HEALTHCARE ASSASSIN LUIGI MANGIONE COURTROOM OUTBURST · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: The so called sexy assassin. I don't even know how
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  Speaker 2: those two words go in one sentence. The so called
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  Speaker 2: sexy assassin. CEO killer Luigi Mangioni has an outburst in
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  Speaker 2: court as he is led out of the room after
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  Speaker 2: being told he is going to trial in June.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, has he been fed with a silverspoon?
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  Speaker 2: His whole life, had every privilege, every opportunity, and he
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  Speaker 2: still smarts off at the judge. Oh, I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us in the last days. Accused killer Luigim
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  Speaker 2: Mangione has an outburst in court as he's being led
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  Speaker 2: out of the room. Mangione, twenty seven, made an appear
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  Speaker 2: apearance in Manhattan, where the judge declared the state will
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  Speaker 2: go forward with trial in June. Now that's several months
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  Speaker 2: earlier than we had predicted, and it will now predate,
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  Speaker 2: in other words, happened before federal charges in connection with
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  Speaker 2: the shooting death of United health Care CEO Brian Thompson.
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  Speaker 1: Now his lawyers.
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  Speaker 2: Mangoni's lawyers complained about the new schedule, arguing it would
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  Speaker 2: not give them time to prepare, and as he was
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  Speaker 2: being led away, he verbally attacked the judge, yelling out
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  Speaker 2: one plus one equals two. This is the same trial twice.
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  Speaker 2: This is double jeopardy. Well you know what, Mangone, While
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  Speaker 2: you were surfing in Hawaii and tickling girls, caught on
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  Speaker 2: camera now complaining you have a back ailment, other people
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  Speaker 2: were hard at work, law school and trying cases. And
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  Speaker 2: maybe you missed law school that day when dual sovereignty
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  Speaker 2: was discussed. In other words, the same act can result
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  Speaker 2: in state and federal charges. Bam, look it up, Luigi Mangioni.
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  Speaker 2: You got plenty of time to do that behind bars,
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  Speaker 2: and if you need another lawyer to research it, you
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  Speaker 2: can use the tens of thousands of dollars that love
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  Speaker 2: sick females have been sending you behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: What is double jeopardy?
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  Speaker 2: Double jeopardy means a person cannot be prosecuted for the
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  Speaker 2: same crime twice before he killed over.
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  Speaker 1: I got questions all the time.
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  Speaker 2: If OJ Simpson confesses, can he be retried? The sad
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  Speaker 2: answer no, he could never be retried because of double jeopardy.
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  Speaker 2: That's why the state better be ready when it tries case.
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  Speaker 1: First time, because.
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  Speaker 2: You get one swing at the ball, one bite of
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  Speaker 2: the apple.
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  Speaker 1: Det is it?
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  Speaker 2: If you fail, it's over? What happened to United Healthcare
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  Speaker 2: Boss Brian Thompson? A husband and father A precious boy.
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  Speaker 3: Masked gunman shoots dead the United Healthcare CEO in Midtown
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  Speaker 3: Manhattan and urgent search ensues for the suspect. Last scene
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  Speaker 3: entering Central.
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  Speaker 2: Park, marriage secrets being revealed as this health boss worth
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars is gunned down and open around the public.
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  Speaker 2: What do we make of clues left behind? Cryptic and
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  Speaker 2: odd clues? For instance, bullets found actually have been inscribed
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  Speaker 2: with letters on them.
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  Speaker 1: A cell phone had been left behind. Is there DNA on.
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  Speaker 2: A water bottle? Was this a pro? A silencer was used?
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  Speaker 2: And in the middle of the assassination, the gun jams
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  Speaker 2: and seemingly the pro shooter simply adjusted and continued firing. Everyone,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. If this can happen.
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  Speaker 1: In public, what are we to think of it? Well,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen.
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  Speaker 2: To what the chief of detectives has to say.
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  Speaker 4: This morning at six forty six am, patrol offices from
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  Speaker 4: Midtown North Precinct responded to a nine to one one
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  Speaker 4: call of a person shot in front of the Hilton
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  Speaker 4: Hotel located at thirteen thirty five Avenue of the Americas.
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  Speaker 4: This is between West fifty third Street and West fifty
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  Speaker 4: fourth Street. At six forty eight am. Officers arrive and
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  Speaker 4: find the victim, Brian R. Thompson, a fifty year old
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  Speaker 4: male on the sidewalk in front of the Hilton, with
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  Speaker 4: gunshot wounds to his back and leg.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the way the sheoter handled the weapon, the
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  Speaker 2: use of a silencer, the mask, the lying in wait
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  Speaker 2: all indicates a professional hit. But a pro wouldn't want
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  Speaker 2: to be caught. A pro would do everything not to
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  Speaker 2: get caught. So then why we're there, especially engraved bullets
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  Speaker 2: with cryptic messages on them. Mm mmm, it sounds like
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  Speaker 2: a fifth grade girl riding a crime thriller. Something's way
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  Speaker 2: off with this. Joining me and all star panel to
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  Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now, but for
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  Speaker 2: a straight out to investigative reporter Lauren Conlin joining US
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  Speaker 2: co host Primetime Crime on YouTube and you can find
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  Speaker 2: her at Popcrime dot tv, who has gone to the
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  Speaker 2: scene and investigated.
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  Speaker 1: Lauren, what can you tell us?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, Nancy on the street, the entire street of West
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  Speaker 5: fifty third Street was blocked off. There was plane clothes
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  Speaker 5: detectives as well as uniformed officers basically not saying anything.
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  Speaker 1: I asked questions. I asked witnesses if.
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  Speaker 5: They heard anything, and the parking lot attendants were actually
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  Speaker 5: there earlier that morning, but they said, you know, due
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  Speaker 5: to the silencer, they didn't hear anything.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me your understanding, what you learned of what happened,
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  Speaker 2: Starting at the beginning.
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  Speaker 5: Starting at the beginning, I learned that Brian Thompson arrived
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  Speaker 5: in New York Monday. Now he was not staying at
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  Speaker 5: the Hilton. He was staying at a hotel across the street.
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  Speaker 5: He was set to speak at eight am at their
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  Speaker 5: annual investors conference, and he was arriving early at six
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  Speaker 5: forty five. So as he walked into the entrance of
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  Speaker 5: the Hilton, it was revealed by NYPD that this gunman
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  Speaker 5: was allegedly lying in wait before he shot him.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Chief Detective Joe Kenny.
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  Speaker 4: Mister Thompson was removed by ems or Roosevelt Hospital, where
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  Speaker 4: he was pronounced dead at seven twelve am. Mister Thompson
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  Speaker 4: is the CEO of United Healthcare and resides in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 4: Detectives from Nightwall, Mitown North Detective Squad and Manhattan South
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  Speaker 4: Homicad responded to the scene and began their investigation.
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  Speaker 1: We're learning a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go straight out to Bill Daily joining
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  Speaker 2: us from New York, former FBI investigator forends At photography
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  Speaker 2: international security expert. Bill, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: You see the video steals we're showing. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that a pro would have done this right in front
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  Speaker 2: of a surveillance video.
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  Speaker 6: Well, exactly right, Nancy.
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  Speaker 7: Is that you know people throw on this thing about
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  Speaker 7: you know professional hitmn I mean those are those are
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  Speaker 7: out of the movies. I mean this this could be
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  Speaker 7: somebody who trained who thought it out. Well, obviously he's
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  Speaker 7: done a lot of reconaissance and research, but we're talking
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  Speaker 7: about professional hit people. That's something made in the movies.
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  Speaker 7: I would say, Nancy, A couple of things. I'm quite
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  Speaker 7: familiar with this area, being a New Yorker and having
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  Speaker 7: worked on the streets of New York for quite a
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  Speaker 7: number of years. Is that this is actually the side
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  Speaker 7: entrance the missus Thompson was apparently staying around the corner.
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  Speaker 6: We believe that the Marriott Hotel, which actually gave him
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  Speaker 6: a couple of venues of approach to the hotel.
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  Speaker 7: This is the side Injines the maniagers on sixth Avenue.
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  Speaker 7: So for this gunman to know that he was going
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  Speaker 7: to be coming down the side street at this time
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  Speaker 7: suggested to me there was some other reconnaissance inside information
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  Speaker 7: that he knew that he was at another hotel. He
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  Speaker 7: wasn't saying at the Hilton that he'd be coming down
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  Speaker 7: this street. Tompson could have easy walked around seventh Avenue,
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  Speaker 7: coming down fifty fifth Street or another street to grab
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  Speaker 7: a cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 6: But he didn't.
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  Speaker 7: And so there are a couple of things out here
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  Speaker 7: that kind of jump out to me that are really
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  Speaker 7: concerning with you, gud to how much information was known
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  Speaker 7: about the specific movements of mister Thompson that morning.
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  Speaker 2: Bill Daly, I know exactly what you mean about that location.
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  Speaker 2: But wouldn't it have been easy for the per the
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  Speaker 2: killer to be waiting in the lobby waiting for the victim,
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  Speaker 2: Brian Thompson to walk out. He didn't have to be
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  Speaker 2: lying in wait at that side entrance. He could have
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  Speaker 2: simply followed him. He did come up behind him.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, there are a couple of things here
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  Speaker 7: in Nancy, that is true. And in fact, if he
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  Speaker 7: knew if he was going to be speaking of the conference,
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  Speaker 7: he didn't have to be waiting outside. He could have
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  Speaker 7: done it just in the lobby upstairs, in an elevator
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  Speaker 7: or some other other place where he knew there was
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  Speaker 7: kind of a kind of cool choke point where he
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  Speaker 7: would have had to travel through in order to get
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  Speaker 7: to the conference.
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  Speaker 6: The other thing is that which.
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  Speaker 7: Kind of points to perhaps something more someone from the
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  Speaker 7: area or from the region, is the fact that mister
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  Speaker 7: Simpson lives out in Minnesota. The day to day he
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  Speaker 7: comes to and from work, he comes to and from
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  Speaker 7: his home, he goes perhaps to see maybe his children's
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  Speaker 7: sporting events, who knows what. But those are kind of
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  Speaker 7: open areas, other areas where he could have been a target.
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  Speaker 7: But yet this was done in New York City, where
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  Speaker 7: he doesn't live, where he was visiting, where this person
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  Speaker 7: would have only had a couple of days opportunity for
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  Speaker 7: any kind of reconnaissance and kind of staging this event.
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  Speaker 7: And so it kind of leads me to suggest that
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  Speaker 7: this person shows New York either because it's more difficult.
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  Speaker 7: You can get lost in the city. You can do
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  Speaker 7: things like this. It could have disappear into Central Park
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  Speaker 7: and perhaps try to hide your.
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  Speaker 6: Trails, you know.
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  Speaker 7: Or it was a matter of convenience that the person
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  Speaker 7: was in and around the area and didn't have to
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  Speaker 7: travel to Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: The victim in town to speak at and invent conference.
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  Speaker 8: Listen, the victim was in New York City to speak
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  Speaker 8: at an investor conference. It appears a suspect was lying
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  Speaker 8: in wait for several minutes, and as the victim was
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  Speaker 8: walking to the conference hotel, the suspect approached from behind
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  Speaker 8: and fired several rounds, striking the victim at least once
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  Speaker 8: in the back and at least once in the right calf.
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  Speaker 8: Many people passed the suspect, but he appeared to wait
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  Speaker 8: for his intended target.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's clearly targeted, Bill Daily.
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  Speaker 2: There is no robbery, there is no car jacking, there
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  Speaker 2: is no sex attack, So it's targeted. Can we look
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  Speaker 2: at the photo of the suspect's face. Now we keep
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  Speaker 2: hearing we don't know much about him, but I can
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  Speaker 2: tell you right now he's white. Number one. He knows
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  Speaker 2: enough to cover his face, but I see that he.
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  Speaker 1: Is not wearing gloves.
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  Speaker 2: To Lauren Colin, what can you tell me about a
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  Speaker 2: discarded water bottle?
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  Speaker 5: The discarded water bottle, Nancy, was found in the alleyway,
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  Speaker 5: which is between fifty third and fifty fourth Street. It's
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  Speaker 5: the zig Field Ballroom Alleyway.
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  Speaker 1: A pro would not leave behind a water bottle.
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  Speaker 2: A pro wouldn't even be drinking anything right before you
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  Speaker 2: murder somebody.
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  Speaker 7: Exactly right, Nancy, And go to my suggestion, this person
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  Speaker 7: again kind of orchestrated this and pre planned it.
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  Speaker 6: I thought it out. You speak about perhaps the weapon
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  Speaker 6: a little bit later on, all.
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  Speaker 7: These things trying to somebody who is knowledgeable about only
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  Speaker 7: what they were doing, but certainly not a professional.
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  Speaker 6: That's somebody we might see kind of portrayed in the movies.
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  Speaker 6: These people would be.
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  Speaker 7: Much more sub roser about their efforts, would kind of
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  Speaker 7: not be seen beforehand. And I'm going to suggest to
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  Speaker 7: you is that besides this video and these images we
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  Speaker 7: have now, as that police are looking to kind of
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  Speaker 7: put together both the timeline and his trail, there'll be
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  Speaker 7: some more coming out and we'll have we'll have some
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  Speaker 7: more facial images, perhaps the DNA may help, but as
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  Speaker 7: we all know, working these cases, you need to have
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  Speaker 7: something to compare it to.
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  Speaker 6: You need to have some databaseing compared.
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  Speaker 7: To or using ancestral DNA, perhaps tie this person back
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  Speaker 7: to someone else and work through that angle. So even
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  Speaker 7: though we have all these things, and it could be
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  Speaker 7: who knows, maybe fragmented fingerprints on the bullet casings or
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  Speaker 7: other evidence left behind, but again you need something to
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  Speaker 7: compare it to.
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  Speaker 4: What we know is that the shooter arrived at the
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  Speaker 4: location on foot about five minutes prior to the victim's arrival.
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  Speaker 4: He stands alongside the building line as numerous other people
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  Speaker 4: and pedestrians pass him by. From video, we see at
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  Speaker 4: six forty four am, the victim is walking alone towards
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  Speaker 4: the Hilton after exiting his hotel across the street. We
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  Speaker 4: believe the victim was headed to the Hilton Hotel to
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  Speaker 4: attend the United Health Group investors conference that was scheduled
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  Speaker 4: to start at eight am.
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  Speaker 2: Let me look at that stance one more time where
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  Speaker 2: the shooter is pointing pointing the gun at the victim.
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  Speaker 2: You know, everybody on the panel jump in, But Bill Day,
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  Speaker 2: look at that. It looks like someone has been watching
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  Speaker 2: too many movies and they think that's a professional killer stance.
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  Speaker 1: You see that right there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, Look, he doesn't have on gloves.
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  Speaker 2: He's been hanging out, drinking from a water bottle that
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  Speaker 2: he leaves behind. I also understand a cell phone has
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  Speaker 2: been left behind.
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  Speaker 1: And then he gets on a city bike.
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  Speaker 2: It reminds me of a bank robbery or prosecuted where
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  Speaker 2: the purp had a bike waiting around the corner. He
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  Speaker 2: was anything but a prouh and he pedaled off.
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  Speaker 1: Just like this guy is doing. What do you make
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  Speaker 1: of that? Bial?
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  Speaker 7: You know, all these things kind of add up to
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  Speaker 7: the fact that this person again gave some thought, but
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  Speaker 7: yet it about quote professional. I mean, we really don't
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  Speaker 7: have these kind of quote professional hitmen throughout the country.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe the mafia does, but we're not talking about people
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  Speaker 7: knocking off executives.
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  Speaker 6: So this doesn't happen in the United States. Perhaps overseas and.
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  Speaker 7: Perhaps a concern when people travel the high riskopations, but
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  Speaker 7: certainly not in New York City. But I'll probably tell
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  Speaker 7: you is that both that stance is kind of a
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  Speaker 7: suggestion that the person both they knew what they were doing,
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  Speaker 7: but also the fact that this gun jam.
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  Speaker 6: The jam several times apparently right at each shot. According
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  Speaker 6: to police, they believe that it jammed maybe.
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  Speaker 7: Because there was a silencer on the front, a silencer
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  Speaker 7: that perhaps caused the jam to occur. But he did
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  Speaker 7: clear it very quickly and efficiently, So he is somebody
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  Speaker 7: who did do some practice training with that weapon beforehand.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well, Lauren Colin, the gun jammed more than once.
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  Speaker 5: Apparently it jammed between shots, but you know that didn't
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  Speaker 5: stop him, so he kept shooting.
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  Speaker 2: After he saw the er is yes, Okay, that's telling
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  Speaker 2: me a lot right there, Daily Daily Daily, A pro
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  Speaker 2: is going to take a gun that jams between every shot?
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I'm going.
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  Speaker 7: To some of the forensic guess versus that by using
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  Speaker 7: that silence, and again, silencers are nothings that you were
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  Speaker 7: supposed to legally have, So if it was homemade, it
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  Speaker 7: could have caused more this kind of malfunction of the weapon.
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  Speaker 7: But again it did seem as though calmly he cleared
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  Speaker 7: that weapon. He was able to pull a slide.
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  Speaker 6: On the top.
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  Speaker 1: Daily did you say homemade? Look, this is whoo, this
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  Speaker 1: is smellon. This is not a pro. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know where that came from? A homemade silence.
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  Speaker 2: Silencer, but come on, man, a homemade silencer that doesn't work,
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  Speaker 2: a pretend professional killer stance, drinking a water bottle and
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  Speaker 2: leaving it behind and hopping on a bike without gloves
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  Speaker 2: and taking off no, no, uh uh I gotta figure
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  Speaker 2: this thing out, guys. Why was a health ceo worth
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars gunned down in public?
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  Speaker 1: Early early morning? Many people saying it's a pro killer.
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  Speaker 4: The shooter then flees on foot northbound into an alleyway
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  Speaker 4: between fifty fourth Street and fifty fifth Street. Once at
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  Speaker 4: West fifty fifth Street, the shooter continues to walk westbound
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  Speaker 4: on the Avenue in Americas, where he gets onto an
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  Speaker 4: electric e city bike and rides northbound on the Avenue
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  Speaker 4: Americas towards Central Park. At six forty eight am, we
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  Speaker 4: have the shooter riding this bike into Central Park at
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  Speaker 4: Center Drive. We're still tracking video. The last we see
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  Speaker 4: with him on that bike is in Central Park. At
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  Speaker 4: the scene, we recover three live nine millimeters rounds and
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  Speaker 4: three discharged nine milimeters shell casings. The motor for this
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  Speaker 4: murder currently is unknown, but based on the evidence we
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  Speaker 4: have so far, it does appear that the victim was
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  Speaker 4: specifically targeted. But at this point we do not know
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  Speaker 4: why this does not appear to be a random act
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  Speaker 4: of violence.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I know that, I know it's not random. Joining me,
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  Speaker 2: high profile lawyer BERNARDA. Vielona, New York criminal defense attorney.
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  Speaker 1: This is her bait. She is also a former prosecutor, BERNARDA.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. What do you make
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  Speaker 1: it so far? Because not only did.
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  Speaker 2: The pro assassin lead behind three discharged nine millimere shellcasings,
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  Speaker 2: they were engraved with three cryptic words.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's straight out of a crime novel and
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  Speaker 1: another saying BERNARDA.
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  Speaker 2: Anybody that knows how to type goog l E could
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  Speaker 2: find out this guy was.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking where and at what time? Yeah, but I.
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  Speaker 9: Still think there's an inside job because in a sense
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  Speaker 9: of they could have known where he was speaking, but
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  Speaker 9: they wouldn't have known exactly what time he would have
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  Speaker 9: been leaving out of his hotel. Because remember this shooter
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  Speaker 9: had only been waiting about five minutes, so he had
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  Speaker 9: to have had some kind of inside information to know
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  Speaker 9: the exact time that Brian Thompson would have been leaving
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  Speaker 9: his hotel.
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  Speaker 1: Look all of this looks very shady.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think it's a professional kill at all, because
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  Speaker 9: number one, believing of the showcases and the bullets there,
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  Speaker 9: and then jumping on a bike. I think there's a
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  Speaker 9: lot more to this. I don't see that there's going
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  Speaker 9: to be an arrest anytime soon, though.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Hold on just the moment on that Daily Bill Daily
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: with me former FBI investigator and joining us from New York,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: intimately familiar with the ins and outs to alleyways where
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: this happened. The guy then goes to Central Park. That
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: was a pretty good move, and it's not that far
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: from where the shooting was by bike. But he goes
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: into Central Park, which is blanketed with surveillance.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Videos, I mean, and we can follow his drail.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: He had to ditch the bike somewhere. I think that
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: we're going to find out where he leaves the bike.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: And again no gloves. As you said earlier, of course
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: you got to have something to compare it to. If
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: he's not in the DNA or the APHIST database, we
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: don't have anything to match it too. But that said,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: can we just agree this is not a pro.
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I surely agree it's not a pro I also
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: think that there's other probably kind of breadcrumbs left behind,
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: is that you know if this was connected with either
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: the business because of see that either of the had
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: been a customer who was certainly totally upset and obsessed
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: with this individual, or perhaps.
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: A former employee. That could have been a number of things.
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: But I think there you have to go back and
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: start looking at with their threats against the company. Apparently
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: according to the victim's wife there were, and if there were,
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: who was making those and what was the steps?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Let me stetch up with what you're.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Just saying, Bill Daily, Lauren Conlin. Now, according to one
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: person there have been threats on the victim's lawn, and
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: that is his wife. Were those threats ever reported to
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: l A law enforcement?
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Nancy?
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Those threats were never reported to law enforcement?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: With me?
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Also is Scott Iiker founding member.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I can't say this enough of the FBI's Cellular Analysis
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Survey team.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Can I just say? He didn't just fall off the
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: turnip truck.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: People, I ker if I was going to pick him off,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I would go somewhere with a silencer and wait out
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere right let his body lay
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: there for three or four hours before.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Anybody figures anything out.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: So why intentionally find him in New York City.
• 20:21
  Speaker 10: I agree, there's a lot of other places that you
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: could have done this murder, but there's a lot of
• 20:26
  Speaker 10: benefits of doing it in a crowded city also. I mean,
• 20:29
  Speaker 10: if you think about it, you might be able to
• 20:31
  Speaker 10: mix in with the regular people walking to and from work,
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: cars and everything like that.
• 20:36
  Speaker 11: He didn't think about all the cameras in the area.
• 20:39
  Speaker 11: He didn't think about all the people that might see
• 20:41
  Speaker 11: at different things. And obviously I agree with the other
• 20:45
  Speaker 11: gentleman that says I don't think this guy is a professional.
• 20:48
  Speaker 11: I do think he has some training. I mean, I
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: was on the FBI swat team. I shot twice a week,
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: and I can see that type of stance that he
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: had some training for him to do that in mouth
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: function clear clear that gone, shoot again, clear it clear it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 11: That takes training in time. So I think, at least
• 21:08
  Speaker 11: in my mind, he's made a lot of mistakes. I
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: don't think he's a professional. I totally agree with that,
• 21:14
  Speaker 11: but he has had some training, and we.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Are learning more from Chief of Detectives Joe Kenney.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: From speaking to other employees that traveled with him to
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: New York. Doesn't seem that he had these security detail.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: He left the hotel by himself, was walking, didn't seem
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: like he had any issues at all. So I don't
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: think he did not have his security detail.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin correct me if I'm wrong.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: But wasn't there just a firefighter's pension fund that sued
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: the victim because he dumped about thirty one percent of
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: his stock made fifteen million dollars just before everything went south, right,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: and there's a complaint about that. Yet that's happening. The
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: wife says, there's death threats. He's worth million millions of
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: dollars and he doesn't have security detail.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: Yes, his net worth is forty three million dollars, Nancy.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: And not only that, I found a plethora of lawsuits.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: He was accused of creating an algorithm to deny patients coverage.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: So I found quite a few lawsuits there. And then
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: additionally there was a data breach a few I believe
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: it was February of twenty twenty four, where many many
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: people were at.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Risk and not happy crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni's outbursted court is not doing him any favors.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Get ready, MANGIONI, you are facing state and federal trials.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: That was something you should have considered before you allegedly
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: gunned down a guy in broad day light on the
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: side walk in Manhattan, the so called capital of the world.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Did you think that was okay? It's not. These are
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the facts as we know them. Listen to this.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: It's just like a fifth grade girl writes an action
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: thriller or tries to listen.
• 23:19
  Speaker 12: Please have released a new chilling detail in the assassination
• 23:22
  Speaker 12: style shooting. Three live rounds and three shellcasings recovered from
• 23:26
  Speaker 12: the crime scene, and cops are now saying there are
• 23:28
  Speaker 12: inscriptions on the shellcasings. The words deny, defend, and depose
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: were engraved on the bullets.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: So the words deny, defend, and depose were engraved on
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the bullets.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: By who? The local jeweler.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Joining me right now is a ballistics expert Joseph Scott Morgan,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Feet on Amazon, and star of a hit series Body Bags.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: That Joe Scott Morgan, Joe Scott Really, okay, I can't
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: hammer this enough.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: A pro what did they write it in fancy cursive
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: defend deposed?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Seriously, that sounds like the ransom.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Note left behind in John Bennet a small foreign faction
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: once one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars stop.
• 24:18
  Speaker 13: What's really fascinating about this, Nancy is the fact that
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: they've got three spent casings that are on the ground,
• 24:24
  Speaker 13: and then they have the three live rounds, and he's
• 24:28
  Speaker 13: having to try to clear this weapon because he's had
• 24:30
  Speaker 13: a malfunction, which actually does occur with some frequency when
• 24:35
  Speaker 13: you have a suppressed weapon. And the fact that he
• 24:41
  Speaker 13: had engraving and I keep hearing this term, this engraving
• 24:45
  Speaker 13: that was on the casing, the fact that he had
• 24:52
  Speaker 13: a jam in the weapon, I would think that it
• 24:56
  Speaker 13: would be engraved on all of the rounds. So how
• 24:58
  Speaker 13: can you plan for that, For instance, that these rounds
• 25:01
  Speaker 13: are stacked, which they would be in a magazine, and
• 25:05
  Speaker 13: every time he clears it, he's going to eject a
• 25:09
  Speaker 13: live round as opposed to those that were spent when
• 25:12
  Speaker 13: he was firing. If you watch the sequence on a video,
• 25:15
  Speaker 13: he fires once and then it looks like he clears,
• 25:19
  Speaker 13: but he may have actually cleared two rounds at that
• 25:22
  Speaker 13: point time that we're still live because the weapon is
• 25:25
  Speaker 13: jamming on him and he has to cycle through it,
• 25:28
  Speaker 13: so he's taken a lot of time. My suspicion is
• 25:32
  Speaker 13: it might be there might be engraving on all of
• 25:34
  Speaker 13: the rounds, and that he has taken a lot of
• 25:37
  Speaker 13: time somewhere, probably you know, at home or wherever it is.
• 25:41
  Speaker 13: He shows up prepared to a certain degree, although he
• 25:43
  Speaker 13: didn't wear gloves and he didn't fully mask his face.
• 25:48
  Speaker 13: There's a lot still to kind of untangle here, but
• 25:51
  Speaker 13: that point is certainly fascinating. I've never encountered this before
• 25:56
  Speaker 13: in my years in forensics to this degree. Now Hollywood
• 26:00
  Speaker 13: makes a big deal out of this kind of thing,
• 26:02
  Speaker 13: but it's just not something you commonly run into. My
• 26:06
  Speaker 13: question is what's the skill level of the engraving in
• 26:09
  Speaker 13: addition to attempting to define how this was engraved, what
• 26:16
  Speaker 13: instrumentality was used, and then maybe the folks will be
• 26:19
  Speaker 13: able to pick up on some form in his writing
• 26:22
  Speaker 13: if he's doing this freehand.
• 26:24
  Speaker 12: Brian Thompson's wife, Paulette tells NBC News that Brian has
• 26:27
  Speaker 12: been receiving death threats. She doesn't go into detail, saying
• 26:30
  Speaker 12: it was basically due to a lack of coverage. She
• 26:33
  Speaker 12: she doesn't know exactly, but Brian said there were some
• 26:35
  Speaker 12: people that had been threatening him.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Straight back out to Joe Scott Morgan joining us. Jo Scott,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: if I said earlier, if there was a death thought
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: on my husband a, I wouldn't let him travel alone
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: to New York. I would at least go with him
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: at the very least. But that said, they have children
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: to take care of back at home. But no security detail,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: no police reports, nothing, And she is the only one
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: coming forward with the alleged threats if they weren't reported
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: to police, can anyone within the company verify this ever happened?
• 27:09
  Speaker 13: Well, if he hasn't spoken of this to anybody that's
• 27:12
  Speaker 13: around him, but why would he not, you know, say
• 27:16
  Speaker 13: something about this. And let me tell you one more thing.
• 27:18
  Speaker 13: A guy that is in his atmosphere. You know, we
• 27:21
  Speaker 13: see all these celebrities, so called celebrities that are out
• 27:23
  Speaker 13: there that have these you know, security details with it.
• 27:27
  Speaker 13: This is a guy, Nancy, that actually has a level
• 27:31
  Speaker 13: of value and would heighten anybody's a census relative to
• 27:38
  Speaker 13: the danger he could potentially be in. Why wouldn't you
• 27:41
  Speaker 13: put a couple of people on him to check the
• 27:43
  Speaker 13: rout at least to be body people that are going
• 27:45
  Speaker 13: to score him around. Maybe he didn't want that. I
• 27:48
  Speaker 13: have no idea, but I do know that he's a
• 27:51
  Speaker 13: prime target. It's just fascinating to me that they chose
• 27:54
  Speaker 13: this particular location, this individual went about it in this
• 27:57
  Speaker 13: manner because I agree with all the other panelists. I
• 28:01
  Speaker 13: think this guy has some weapons familiarity, but he is
• 28:04
  Speaker 13: in no way of pro If he had been a pro,
• 28:07
  Speaker 13: we would not have seen the video last that long.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Scott, if you're sitting down, you may need to lay
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: down for what you're about to hear.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Take a listen.
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: The suspect was reportedly spoted outside a public housing project
• 28:20
  Speaker 12: roughly three miles from the crime scene at five am,
• 28:22
  Speaker 12: caring what look like an e bike battery. He's then
• 28:25
  Speaker 12: seen again checking out at Starbucks not far from the Hilton,
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: just minutes before the attack. It's unclear what exactly the
• 28:31
  Speaker 12: suspect purchase, but police believe a water bottle and candy
• 28:34
  Speaker 12: wrapper left at the crime scene may belong to the shooter,
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: and are testing the items for latent fingerprints and DNA.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: The next thing, we're going to hear Lauren Colin, is
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that the shooter used a credit card.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I mean he hung out at a Starbucks just before
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the shooting, and of course places himself at a public
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: housing project. Yeah, that's right. Blame the people of the
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: housing project somehow drag that into it. I guarantee you
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: that was orchestra three miles from the scene with what
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: looked to be carrying an e bike battery in cases
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: e bike crapped.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Out on him.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Now, at first, this is reported to be a city bike,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the kind that are easily accessed all around New York City.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Now we're hearing it may not be a city bike.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: That said, then he's at Starbucks just beside the Hilton
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: minutes before the attack, staring straight into the surveillance cameras.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: So there's not just a water bottle he leaves behind
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: a candy wrapper. Somebody needs a bit of honey, somebody
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: wants the starbus before a murder.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Yes, and there also have been reports that NYPD believes
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: that he may have actually taken this subway from the
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: Upper west Side to Midtown and to that Starbucks.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Wait, then, if he was on the Upper west Side,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: then he spotted at a housing project. There's not a
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: housing project on the Upper West Side. Okay, that's where
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: all the rich people live. To look down on Central Park,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: there's not a housing project there. So does he leave
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: the Upper West to go to a housing project to
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: be spotted and then go to the Starbucks?
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what police are trying to figure out, and
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm hoping that he did take the subway because
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: Mayor Eric Adams did implement more cameras earlier this year.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, I got a lot of surveillance on this guy,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: but you're right, subway would help me figure out where
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: he's coming from.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Where he's going, and how he knows those paths.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I'm still flummoxed by the fact that he would leave
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: a water bottle with his DNA on it, a candy wrapper,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: take a bike, no gloves, has a pretend pro shooter stance,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: and has engraved bullets. For Pete's sake, why not just
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: throw down your driver's license before you leave? Okay, Now
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: we hear about a potential eyewitness that goes on the run.
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: Police still have not identified the eyewitness who and from
• 31:00
  Speaker 12: the scene is Thompson was gunned down. A woman dressed
• 31:02
  Speaker 12: in dark clothing and holding a coffee cup, was standing
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: in a doorway just feet away from Thompson when the
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: shooter open fire. She runs along the building toward the
• 31:10
  Speaker 12: shooter to avoid the gunfire and disappears from frame. Authorities
• 31:13
  Speaker 12: are asking her to come forward, hoping she may be
• 31:16
  Speaker 12: able to provide new details on the shooter.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: As a cell phone recovered in the alleyway. We're working
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: through that cell phone. Obviously, we'll be processing it forensically
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: at as far as words being exchanged. We do not
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: have audio of the incident. We only have the regular video.
• 31:28
  Speaker 14: What is the address of your emergency?
• 31:31
  Speaker 15: That's really an emergency?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I don't I have a customer here that some other.
• 31:36
  Speaker 13: Customers were suspicious of that he looks like the CEO
• 31:39
  Speaker 13: shooter from.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: York, Okay.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Straight out to Kila Brantley, joining US investigative reporter at
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: large dailymail dot com. Did they actually say in court
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: that their client, Luigimangioni is the victim because his quote beautiful,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: promising life has been derailed.
• 32:01
  Speaker 16: Yeah, Nancy. As you mentioned, his team did paint him
• 32:05
  Speaker 16: as someone with a promising future. Now, one thing that
• 32:07
  Speaker 16: had been documented was that Luigi suffered from debilitating back pain.
• 32:12
  Speaker 16: This was something that he went through. He went through
• 32:15
  Speaker 16: back surgery. And one thing that they say here is
• 32:18
  Speaker 16: that the real enemy here is the medical system, and
• 32:22
  Speaker 16: that is one thing that you can definitely expect. His
• 32:25
  Speaker 16: legal team argue.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Right, Kila, can I believe you are my lieon eyes
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: control room? Please show me him a running along the
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: beach in Hawaii. I've got videos of him lifting up
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: girls and tickling them.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: It's a video.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: They're all giggling hysterically, including him. I've got photos of
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: him lounging by the beach.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I'd love to see.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Those photos of him hiking and what looks to be
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: a jungle rainfall. Oh, he is feeling no pain there,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Kila Brantley, I hope you don't fall for that hook
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: like and seeker. Doctor Judy Hoe, did you know that
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Luigimi Andngioni is apparently the victim in this scenario. Doctor
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Judy Hoe is joining US clinical forensic neuro psychologist, author
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: of the New Rules of Attachment and another bestseller, Stop
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Self Sabotage. You need to write one, doctor Judy Hoe,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: about try to tell the truth and then send it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: You know, I'll pay for it and we can send
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: it to Luigi Mangioni. He is not the victim here,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: but you know, you can't count out the defense attorney Agnafello.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: He got Sean Combs off on the major accusations in
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: that indictment. So no matter how ridiculous I may think
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: he sounds, he essentially.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Won that case.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, his defense team that claims Luigimngioni is the victim.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I want to read it, doctor Judy Hope.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Beautiful promising life derailed by those irritating murder charges.
• 33:57
  Speaker 17: Judy, Wow, beautiful promising life, Nancy, what a narrative. And
• 34:03
  Speaker 17: as you said, even though he's not the victim.
• 34:06
  Speaker 18: I think this is why there has been a fan
• 34:08
  Speaker 18: base though, because there's these individuals who actually believe maybe
• 34:12
  Speaker 18: he is a victim, that he's some type of anti heroo,
• 34:15
  Speaker 18: that he's misunderstood. And oftentimes we see this in individuals
• 34:20
  Speaker 18: who might act charismatically, they just seem to pull people in.
• 34:26
  Speaker 18: And it's weird because a lot of these people who
• 34:28
  Speaker 18: develop this sort of fan fanhood around Luigi, they're kind
• 34:33
  Speaker 18: of thinking, well, maybe I can be a special person
• 34:36
  Speaker 18: in his life, maybe he'll pay attention to me. Maybe
• 34:38
  Speaker 18: I can even develop a friendship with this person. This
• 34:41
  Speaker 18: person might learn to trust me. It's really interesting, but
• 34:44
  Speaker 18: some of it actually has to do with a self
• 34:46
  Speaker 18: centeredness of people who might actually talk.
• 34:48
  Speaker 17: To him, that they're hoping to get something special out
• 34:51
  Speaker 17: of it for themselves.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Dartigidio.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I know you're the clinical and forensic neuropsychologist, but I
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: don't even know it. You just said, how can the
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: defense stand up and say this is not about the
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: murder victim? Can we show please, Brian Thompson walking along
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: and he's gunned down in cold blood, leaving behind two
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: sons and a wife. That's the victim. According to prosecutors,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: it's Luigi Mangioni holding a three D weapon that he
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: made that it took dozens and dozens of hours to make,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: so he can gun down a guy walking to work
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: in the back. You stated, I don't know what that was,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: doctor Judijo. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I'm just a trial lawyer didn't understand it. But I
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: think I know some of the people that consider Luigi
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Mangioni to be the victim, and here they are filing
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: in to court. Okay, oh what Luigi fights fashion. It's okay,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: look at this line. Now, wait till you see the
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: cat walk parade of sad sack women filing in.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: To They won't even show their face to get a
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: glimpse of Luigi MANGIONI.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, keep it going, keep it going, because I've got
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: hours of people. Yeah, that was totally walking the cat
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: walk right there, clamoring to get in to just bask
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: in the glow of Luigi MANGIONI. Oh, it keeps going.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on and on. They had to turn women away,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: and it's not just women. Listen.
• 36:48
  Speaker 19: So this is who police believe was responsible for the
• 36:50
  Speaker 19: United Healthcare ceo pp his names Koubichi. All I can
• 36:55
  Speaker 19: say is Mia, does he need a Mario? I believe
• 36:59
  Speaker 19: it was a great philosopher and poet once said, Mama,
• 37:02
  Speaker 19: I'm in love with a criminal, and this type of
• 37:05
  Speaker 19: love isn't rational, it's physical. That was Britney Spears, and
• 37:10
  Speaker 19: I believe we're all feeling that right now. I believe
• 37:12
  Speaker 19: if you're going to do superhero like shit, you better
• 37:14
  Speaker 19: look like one. Okay, this man clearly did them. Did
• 37:17
  Speaker 19: he train at the Marvel studios with all the other
• 37:19
  Speaker 19: chriss okay, because Luigi, that's a spicy meat the ball.
• 37:23
  Speaker 19: I'm so sorry. I believe if we're going to claim
• 37:25
  Speaker 19: to be a Christian nation, that we need to act
• 37:27
  Speaker 19: like one. And part of acting like that is practicing forgiveness.
• 37:32
  Speaker 19: And after a lot of seconds of thinking, I have
• 37:35
  Speaker 19: decided I'm gonna forgive him. I'm ready to forgive him, right,
• 37:39
  Speaker 19: but not forget, because in my God, how could you
• 37:42
  Speaker 19: forget an angel like this. I'm not gonna lie for
• 37:44
  Speaker 19: a while. I thought, oh my God, we're never going
• 37:45
  Speaker 19: to find him, you know, And I was wrong, because
• 37:48
  Speaker 19: somewhere along the way, the ups and downs, the highs
• 37:50
  Speaker 19: and lows, the masks and no masks, this man he
• 37:55
  Speaker 19: found a way into our hearts.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: He did.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I hardly even know where to start with that. That
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: is from mister Williams sprick on TikTok.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I'm in love with the criminal.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: And I forgive him after a few seconds of consideration,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Doctor Gudy hoe it. I can't say it gets worse,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: but there's more.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Listen, you can't take my mind.
• 38:28
  Speaker 20: And say there's blood on his head.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: When you're the one with the girl.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Who's taking lives for fun.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: You can't take my man. That's from Scarlett park TikTok.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: So it's gone beyond calling him a spicy meatball. These
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: people actually consider Luigimi and Gioni there man, and they
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: are angry with the fans for prosecuting. What have I
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: gone down the rabbit hole? Am I in some crazy
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: bizarre alice in Wonderland? What is happening, doctor gudi Hoe.
• 39:14
  Speaker 17: I know it seems completely unbelievable, Nancy, but this does happen.
• 39:18
  Speaker 18: People start to idolize these potential I mean, clearly this
• 39:24
  Speaker 18: is a defendant, right, but they're thinking, in their minds,
• 39:27
  Speaker 18: this person is innocent. Maybe I'm going to be their
• 39:30
  Speaker 18: special person, and they're lusting after them the way that
• 39:32
  Speaker 18: they would lust after a celebrity, especially when they see
• 39:36
  Speaker 18: photos and videos that they can start cutting into their
• 39:39
  Speaker 18: own social media. They're developing a fictionalized relationship with him,
• 39:43
  Speaker 18: a fantasy and essentially completely erasing all of the facts
• 39:47
  Speaker 18: that have been evident in this case. And clearly the
• 39:50
  Speaker 18: defendant's attorneys are trying to paint that picture as well,
• 39:52
  Speaker 18: leaning into it as hard as possible because they're hoping
• 39:55
  Speaker 18: to influence the public opinion even before a jury is selected,
• 39:59
  Speaker 18: so that they and hopefully get him the outcome that
• 40:02
  Speaker 18: he wants, which is apparently to escape a.
• 40:05
  Speaker 17: Death sentence, escape prison. Maybe I'm not sure exactly what
• 40:09
  Speaker 17: they think is possible, but that's what's so scary about
• 40:12
  Speaker 17: all the positivity that has developed around his persona in
• 40:16
  Speaker 17: terms of all of these illustrations, the website they set
• 40:18
  Speaker 17: up about and it's really concerning.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: And you know, Cheryl mccollumy is joining me. Cold Case
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Investigative Research Institute, founder, author of a brand new book,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Swans Don't Swim in a Sewer, Solving the cold Case
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: of the Flint River Killer's Daughter on Amazon.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Cheryl, Okay, do you remember the.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Night that you and I were out until two o'clock
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: in the morning staking out a location where we thought
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni was going to be apprehended. Do you remember
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: that night, because I sure do I do. How has
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: this gotten so bass awkwards, Cheryl.
• 40:57
  Speaker 15: Nanthy, It is mind boggling any body is trying to
• 41:01
  Speaker 15: paint this killer as the victim. I mean, the victim's
• 41:06
  Speaker 15: life was not just promising, it was in full swing.
• 41:11
  Speaker 15: He had a wife and children and a career at
• 41:15
  Speaker 15: the highest level. He had friends and extended family, He
• 41:20
  Speaker 15: had everything going for him. Mangione had none of that,
• 41:26
  Speaker 15: but he took everything from those children. And I'm going
• 41:31
  Speaker 15: to tell you something, when you look at the people
• 41:35
  Speaker 15: that are contacting him, I hope and pray that those
• 41:39
  Speaker 15: six thousand letters that he's gotten, that one hundred and
• 41:43
  Speaker 15: fifteen a day, that there's some good intel in there too,
• 41:47
  Speaker 15: because he is writing people back, so he's communicating, and
• 41:52
  Speaker 15: I hope they're listing every piece of it.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Somehow this has gotten topsy turvy upside down. I haven't
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: even got into the legal implications of what is happening
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: in court.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I'm just so concerned that one of these.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Nutjobs is going to end up on the ultimate jury
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: and acquit Luigi Manngioni under the misconception that he is
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: somehow the victim.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: In court, his lawyers and unquoting claimed that his beautiful,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: promising life has been.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Derailed by murder charges. It's all about me, me, me, me,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: me me.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: This is a millionaire's son, multimillionaire who grew up with
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: silver spoon stuck in his mouth and has been living
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: in a Hawaii high rise of the beach doing nothing,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: and yet he's the victim. Can you imagine, Cheryl McCollum,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: how hard Thompson had to work to get to become
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: the CEO at United Healthcare. It wasn't handed to him
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: on a silver platter on top of a Christmas tree
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: like it was Mangione. He had to work and sacrifice long,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: long hours to get to where he got to to
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: be gunned down like a dog on the sidewalk, Cheryl.
• 43:16
  Speaker 15: Nancy, you cannot compare these two people. That's why I
• 43:20
  Speaker 15: agree with you. This whole thing is upside down. Not
• 43:23
  Speaker 15: only did the victim work and sacrifice, so did his wife.
• 43:28
  Speaker 15: You know what it takes. You know how long David
• 43:31
  Speaker 15: has gone during the day. It's not an eight hour day,
• 43:35
  Speaker 15: It's a sixteen seventeen hour game. He was playing at
• 43:38
  Speaker 15: the top of his game. There's no doubt about it.
• 43:41
  Speaker 15: Mangione was giving nothing to a family, He was giving
• 43:46
  Speaker 15: nothing to society. He was contributing zow and again, what
• 43:52
  Speaker 15: he took cannot even be measured.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: If I hear one more person talk about his back pain,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: that's you, calib Brantley. I think my head's gonna blow
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: off because I have videos of him tickling these girls
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: and picking them up just before the shooting.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I can't show it because it has the girl's faces
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: in it. But he was feeling no pain. But it's
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: all about me, Me, me, me, me, why me? And
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: he's certainly not the first. Let me refresh your recollection.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: As we say in court with bride killer Jamie Lee Komarowski.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Listen to her, I don't know why.
• 44:34
  Speaker 18: That's hard to happen to me, because bad things happen
• 44:38
  Speaker 18: to good people. Honey, that's why it's just feet.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: It's just something that happened to you. And we are
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: going to deal with the best week.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, Dave Mack joining me, crimes towards investigator, reporter. You
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: know who the bride killer is, right, Jamie Lee Komarowski.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: She's guilty.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: She got totally thinking drunk, Anne plowed into.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: A beautiful bride leaving her wedding reception with the groom
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: and killed her. And there she is behind bars, going,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: why is this happening to me?
• 45:17
  Speaker 14: One look and listen to her father, Nancy. What does
• 45:20
  Speaker 14: he say, Well, bad things happen to good people.
• 45:24
  Speaker 13: No they don't.
• 45:26
  Speaker 14: You just killed somebody because of your own actions. But see,
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: we've got a whole group of people now that never
• 45:32
  Speaker 14: want to admit they did anything wrong. Everything is on them.
• 45:36
  Speaker 14: How can you possibly think man Joni is sitting here
• 45:40
  Speaker 14: saying his life is derailed, Well, he destroyed another life
• 45:43
  Speaker 14: and another family. Cambarowski sitting in jail, Why is this
• 45:46
  Speaker 14: happening to me?
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 45:48
  Speaker 13: Why not?
• 45:48
  Speaker 14: What do you expect?
• 45:49
  Speaker 13: What happened?
• 45:50
  Speaker 21: Sick of this?
• 45:51
  Speaker 14: Nancy is getting really tiresome.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: And there is her victim, Samantha Miller in her wedding dress,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: just before she's mowed down dead by Jamie Lee Komrowski.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: And here's I guess this would have to be the
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Miss Universe of Wyme Jody Arius. Check her out.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: She is more concerned about her makeup as she is
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: approaching trial in the brutal stabbing and shooting death of
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: her fiance, Travis Alexander, who was stabbed at least twenty
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: nine times. Joe Scott Morgan and I have argued about that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I say it was more than that. Checking out, Jody Arius,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: you should have at least done your makeup before you
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: speak to police about murdering your fiance when he broke
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: up and started seeing someone else. That earlier video from
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: forty eight hours Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, do you
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: recall Travis Alexander's death? Hey, stay on that video because
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: as they're about to question her about what could have
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: happened to Travis Alexander, she starts singing and there you go,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: does a headstand and bemoans the fact she doesn't have
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: on her lip gloss. Talk about me, me, me, Joe Scott,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: what happened to Travis?
• 47:04
  Speaker 21: Yeah, he was brutally murdered, Nancy. She had him stripped down, nude,
• 47:10
  Speaker 21: taking a shower, taking dirtie pictures, if you will, And
• 47:15
  Speaker 21: while his back is turned, she takes a knife and
• 47:17
  Speaker 21: plunges it into his back over and over and over again.
• 47:21
  Speaker 21: When he turns around to defend himself to try to
• 47:24
  Speaker 21: parry her stabs at him, he gets stabbed in the
• 47:29
  Speaker 21: chest as well. And if it wasn't enough, after he
• 47:33
  Speaker 21: spits up blood onto his stink, onto his seink, he
• 47:37
  Speaker 21: crawls tries to crawl away from her down the hallway.
• 47:41
  Speaker 21: She straddles him and cuts his throat from ear to
• 47:44
  Speaker 21: ear and the koupdi gras she shoots him after he
• 47:48
  Speaker 21: is dead. That's the kind of human that you're looking
• 47:52
  Speaker 21: at right here. She's absolutely disgusting.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: And it's all about me.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: May Meescott Morgan, you've seen it all. I'm gonna try
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: to say you show you something you haven't seen yet.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Speaking of me, me, me, and criminal defendants focusing only
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: on themselves and not their victims. There is the drunk, stinking,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: drunk a d A Assistant district's attorney Devin flannag and
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: listen to her.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: But the protocol is your protocol is by as you
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: to turn.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Off the body, can you have to turn it off?
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: And that's your protocol, lawyer.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: So she knows, well that's lawyer stuf.
• 48:29
  Speaker 21: So that's not true.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: So we gotta go. No it is, that's that's the law.
• 48:33
  Speaker 17: I'm an aging, I'm an aging.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Good for you.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Those two were kicked out of I think it was
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: a bar for being drunk and belligerent. Then you've got
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: oh gosh, she's been called the screaming bands, and do
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: you hear going I'm an a da, I'm an a da.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Every sin it starts with I.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I I listen to this woman, Joe Scott, he need
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: not touch me he.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Wants to call it all. We're gonna go through that row. No,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: he wants to go through assault. No, we're not doing that.
• 49:06
  Speaker 15: Then no, he he claims I assaulted him.
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: No, we're not doing that.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: We're not doing that.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: And then, of course maybe this one beats Jody Arius. No, no, no,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to go with Luigi Mangioni and his
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: beautiful life. Dearield, I'm sure you recalled Shana Hubers that
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: gave her ex boyfriend the quote nose job he always
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: wanted with a handgun.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Listen, very vain.
• 49:35
  Speaker 22: One of our last conversations we had that was good
• 49:37
  Speaker 22: was sitting once my best friend of the nists to
• 49:39
  Speaker 22: do with the nerror and want to get a nose job.
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: Just that kind of person.
• 49:43
  Speaker 22: And I'm right here.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I gave him his nose job.
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: He wanted.
• 49:49
  Speaker 18: Want to marry me if I kill my boyfriend and helped.
• 49:55
  Speaker 17: Not funny, but I'm not.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: You know, Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics and death Investigator.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Your forte is dead, bodies and causes of death.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: And modes of death. Let me go to special guests
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: joining us now.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist joining us out of the
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Atlanta jurisdiction.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Doctor Angie Arnold, what is that?
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this for yourself, but
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: me Andngioni's defensive team is actually.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Arguing his life was derailed by the murder charges.
• 50:32
  Speaker 23: You know, Nancy, My thought is that's all they've got.
• 50:36
  Speaker 23: Who cares if his life was derailed. He is accused
• 50:41
  Speaker 23: of murdering someone. Maybe his life should be derailed. But
• 50:46
  Speaker 23: the way I feel about this is, Nancy, that's all
• 50:48
  Speaker 23: they've got to say. That is the only thing they've got.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the facts and the law.
• 50:55
  Speaker 12: Listen, speaking orders as she tells the operator, I have
• 50:58
  Speaker 12: a customer here that some other customers were suspicious of that.
• 51:02
  Speaker 12: He looks like the CEO shooter in New York, and
• 51:05
  Speaker 12: they're generally upset and come to me, and I'm like,
• 51:07
  Speaker 12: I can't approach him. The manager continues working and can
• 51:11
  Speaker 12: be heard talking about bagels, at one point shouting one
• 51:14
  Speaker 12: of them is no better. The nine one one operator
• 51:17
  Speaker 12: Emily States, testifies about the call and is heard to
• 51:20
  Speaker 12: ask for a description, with the manager applying, the only
• 51:23
  Speaker 12: thing you can see is the eyebrows joining us.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Is Skuy Lazarro.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: She's a veteran criminal defense attorney. She's practiced in both
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: She's practiced in both state and federal court. She is
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: with Ray Quinny and Nebecker. Sky, thank you for being
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: with us. If the defense is arguing that Luigimi and
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Gione was illegally arrested, the nine to one one call
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: occurred before the arrest, So what could be the possible
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: grounds for suppressing that call by the McDonald's manager.
• 51:58
  Speaker 24: I think they're going to have a really hard time.
• 52:00
  Speaker 24: I'm keeping the nine one one call out. I can
• 52:02
  Speaker 24: understand it from a defense perspective. You have to try,
• 52:05
  Speaker 24: but when it comes to nine one one calls, as
• 52:07
  Speaker 24: long as you can lay the foundation for it, it's
• 52:10
  Speaker 24: probably coming in.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I can tell you one thing I know Sky Lazarro,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: that they hate about this nine to one one call.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: We had the same thing happen in the Idaho Slighings
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: of four Beautiful Idaho University Students, where Dylan Mortenson described
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Brian Coberger's freaky, bushy eyebrows.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Listen, just remember.
• 52:35
  Speaker 22: Seeing this figure that was like not fat obviously, but
• 52:39
  Speaker 22: more of like the skinnier tongue build and some mask
• 52:42
  Speaker 22: on I don't know what the mask exactly was, but
• 52:45
  Speaker 22: when I thought about it, it was just like covering
• 52:47
  Speaker 22: here and here. I don't know if it's covering his
• 52:48
  Speaker 22: mouth his nose or below his mouth and nose. I
• 52:51
  Speaker 22: just remember knowing that he was white, but I didn't
• 52:54
  Speaker 22: know how he was white.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I just knew he was.
• 52:56
  Speaker 22: And this knowing there's like I knew he looked at me.
• 52:59
  Speaker 11: Because the Bushy's.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Alleged Chiller, the so called sexy assassin, that's like a
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: dirt sandwich whenever I say that is facing a state
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: and a federal trial in the shooting death of Healthcare
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: CEO Brian Thompson. I might add again, who was a
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: husband and a father. You don't hear much from his family.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: They're dealing with their grief privately. But I heard plenty
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: from Angioni the other day in court. His outburst to
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: the judge just underscores what a spoiled brat he is.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: I got plenty of rulings against me in court, but
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: I did not have an outburst at the judge that
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: would have only heard my case and me going forward
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: with other cases representing other victims. But Mangioni thinks it's
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: okay to scream at a judge sitting on the bench.
• 54:11
  Speaker 16: It's not.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: That said.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know who spoon fed him on a silver
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: spoon his whole life, but it doesn't work like that
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: in the justice system. Mangioni, you're not back talking mommy
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: and daddy. You are speaking to an elected judge on
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: the bench that's going to oversee your trial, and yelling.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: At him or her is not going to help you, brat.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: This is what we know about the.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Morning, the early morning when Brian Thompson was shot dead,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: a guy Mangioni had never even met. Segment four, Mangioni's
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: outburst in court only emphasizes that he is a spoiled brat.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Deal with it, Mangioni. This is There's what happens when
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: you allegedly gunned down an unarmed man in broad day
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: light on the sidewalk. You get caught and you go
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: to trial. But what will that jury trial reveal? Joining
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: me is Tom Smith, former NYPD detective thirty years now,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: star of the gold Shields podcast, and he covered the
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: very same streets where Brian Thompson was gunned down in
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: cold blood you know, I have had a killer identified.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: He was a chef, by the way, identified by a
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: particular limp that he had. I've had a bank robber
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: identified because he walked sleugh footed in other words, like
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: it up. They're all sorts of ways to identify someone.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: It can be by voice that it could be any
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: number of things. In this case, the McDonald's manager said,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: bushy eyebrows, and.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt that's Luigi Mangioni. They hate it. They
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: hate that identification, Tom, Yeah, they.
• 56:14
  Speaker 25: Do, because you know, it shows how important Nancy and
• 56:17
  Speaker 25: we did this when we first started talking about this case,
• 56:21
  Speaker 25: how important the videos and all the photos were to
• 56:25
  Speaker 25: get out to the public, even if his face was covered,
• 56:28
  Speaker 25: even if he was in a cab or whatever it was,
• 56:31
  Speaker 25: because those eyebrows jumped off the page to everyone who
• 56:35
  Speaker 25: looked at it. That was the number one thing that
• 56:37
  Speaker 25: everyone looked at as a looking point and identification point
• 56:42
  Speaker 25: when it came to him. And it just showed that
• 56:45
  Speaker 25: the quicker they got those photos out, the better it was.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: In the end of this, you know, I'm very curious
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: about this, the fact that he is identified at McDonald's
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: by his eyebrows among other things. Let's say they picked
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: of the McDonald's. There you go, there he is at McDonald's.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: But skyl Azaara, don't you think that the defense should
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: be more concerned about the fact that he can be
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: identified At the time of the killing, he showed his
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: face repeatedly.
• 57:17
  Speaker 8: I agree with you.
• 57:17
  Speaker 24: He probably should have been a little bit more careful
• 57:19
  Speaker 24: at that time, and that should be the stuff they're
• 57:22
  Speaker 24: seeking to exclude, and maybe they will, I think as
• 57:24
  Speaker 24: it goes to the nine to one one call. The
• 57:26
  Speaker 24: defense's probably only argument is that these are witnesses who
• 57:31
  Speaker 24: identified him, not from the shooting. They weren't there that night,
• 57:35
  Speaker 24: so they can't say I saw him do the shooting.
• 57:38
  Speaker 24: They just want to exclude it because he's at the McDonald's.
• 57:41
  Speaker 24: The problem is they get to the McDonald's and it
• 57:44
  Speaker 24: turns out to be him.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Speaking of getting to the McDonald's, the defense is arguing
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: that while he wasn't really under arrest, he was kind
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: of under arrest because so many police starts showing up
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: and massing at the McDonald They were concerned. If this
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: is Luigi Mangioni, the healthcare assassin, he's probably armed.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, he was. He was armed.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: There was a weapon in his backpack sitting right there
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: with him, so they were right.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Now, what the defense is.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Arguing is that having multipolice, multiple police officers show up
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: is tantamount equal to arresting him. Why do we care
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: because police engage in a conversation with him to identify him,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: and he spilled a lot of information in that conversation.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: The state says it was before his arrest. Why does
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: it matter.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Because a statement taken while you are in custody without
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: miranda will be suppressed. So they want the judge to
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: believe that because several police officers showed up at McDonald's,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: that me Andngioni was effectively under arrest in any statements
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: he made pre miranda should be suppressed. That's not going
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: to happen. When I walk into let's just pretend Chipotely
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: and all the Atlanta PD are in there getting a salad,
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like I'm under arrest.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Think about it.
• 59:13
  Speaker 12: Listen, Majoni stares at monitors showing his arrest at McDonald's.
• 59:18
  Speaker 12: Manjoni sits to eat breakfast at nine oh three. Eleven
• 59:21
  Speaker 12: minutes later, the nine one one call is made nine
• 59:24
  Speaker 12: twenty eight, two police officers show up and begin talking
• 59:27
  Speaker 12: to Mangoni. The restaurant slowly begins to fill with police
• 59:30
  Speaker 12: until nine forty two, when at least eight officers are
• 59:33
  Speaker 12: visible on the recording. The defense claims packing the place
• 59:36
  Speaker 12: with police amounts to unlawful attention prior to Mangoni's arrest.
• 59:40
  Speaker 12: Agnifilo argues police surrounding Mangoni and the McDonald's this tantamount
• 59:44
  Speaker 12: to illegally detaining the alleged killer. Agnifilo also takes exception
• 59:48
  Speaker 12: with the way officers treated Mangoni's backpack during the arrest,
• 59:51
  Speaker 12: claiming it was warrantlessly searched on the scene.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: In other words, they looked in his backpack. Cheryl McCollum
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: joining me.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: She is not only a crime scene investigator and founder
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: of the Cold Case Research Institute, but she's also the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: star of a hit podcast which I actually put on
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: a loop.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Sometimes, Cheryl McCollum Zone seven. Cheryl McCollum.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Has it ever dawned on you when you go into
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: McDonald's for a cup of coffee that you're arresting somebody,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: that you're a mere presence equals an arrest, because that's
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: what they're arguing, and what they're trying to do Cheryl
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: is get out from under what Manngioni said to police
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: pre miranda and them finding evidence in his backpack.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 15: I think the body cam is going to be so
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 15: critical here because it's going to show all of his actions.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 14: It's going to, you know, show the world that he
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 14: stood up and thought he.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 15: Was under arrest. Only a guilty person would think that, Nancy.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 15: What the defense is doing is there basically, look, you
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 15: use manure to make something grow, right, So they are
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 15: playton and cultivating and trying to grow this story that
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 15: he's the victim, that he didn't do anything, that he
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 15: was under arrest, and now we can't use anything, and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 15: it's just be it.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: While this legal warfare is taking place in a courtroom,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Manzione's attorneys continue to insist that he's the victim.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 26: He's a young man, and he is being treated like
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 26: a human pingpong ball between two warring jurisdictions here, and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 26: they are literally treating him like he is like some
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 26: sort of political fodder, like some sort of spectacle. He
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 26: was on display for everyone to see in the biggest
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 26: staged purp walk I've ever seen in my career. There
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 26: was no reason for the NYPD and everybody to have
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 26: these big assault rifles that frankly I had no idea
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 26: it was in their arsenal. And to have all of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 26: these these the press there, the media there, it was
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 26: like perfectly choreographed. And what was the New York City
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 26: mayor doing at this press conference?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 11: He is a walking talking contradiction.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 15: He supposedly is against this wealthy ceo is yet he
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 15: comes for money.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: This is a guy living in a high rise in
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Honolulu waking up to the beach every morning.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Did you wake up to a BH this morning?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 9: I serta not.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: The Luigi Mangioni defense is fighting tooth and nail to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: keep out what happened in that McDonald's. And as Cheryl
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: McCombs pointing out, that BODYCM is going to be so
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: significant because it doesn't matter what the state says. It
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter what the defense says or how much Luigi
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Mangioni claims he's the victim. What matters is what really
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: happened inside that McDonald's. They're not going to get the
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: nine one one call suppressed. That's not happening. But what
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: happened in the McDonald's. Is the state going to lose
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: valuable evidence on allegal technicality? Why is it they want
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: that backpack suppressed straight out to Investigation at Large for
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: dailymail dot com, kill Lebrandley.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: What was in the backpack? Nancy?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 16: There was a three D printed gun. It's a handgun
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 16: which is believed to could possibly be the murder weapon.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 16: There was a notebook with handwritten notes in it. And
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 16: then he also had a knife on him, which was
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 16: discovered about twenty minutes later, So he was armed and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 16: at that point he was considered very dangerous.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, what did you say was written in
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Maggione's spiral notebook.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 16: That was in his backpack that he wanted any use
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 16: the word whack the healthcare CEO whack meaning kill herd destroy.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: No wonder they want it's suppressed to Dave mac crime
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: Stori's investigative reporter. Tell me about the three D gun
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: sometimes called a ghost gun.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 14: But Nancy, you know we've been we have not been
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 14: given the very specifics of what type of gun. We
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 14: know it's a pistol, but we don't know big that
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 14: name of it. Three D printed firearms take a massive
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 14: amount of time and filament far more than any other.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 14: Deliberator is the most common and it's the easiest one
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 14: to print. It takes the shortest amount of time. Deliberator
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 14: takes thirty hours of constant printing with non stop printing.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 14: Nancy thirty hours to print, the easiest of all the pistols.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Tom Smith, here's the thing with a ghost gun is
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: made on a three D printer, Tom, It's unserialized. That's
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: why they're so popular amongst criminals. You think Grandpa as
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: is long gun is shotgun under the bed. You think
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: it's a three D printed gun. No, it's got a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: serial number. Why is it so serious that a ghost
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: gun is un serialized.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 25: Well, because you can't trace it. No matter what you
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 25: do with that weapon, it cannot be traced back to you.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 25: And that is why so manyminoles and Luigi Maggioni of
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 25: course went to the lengths that he did to make
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 25: that gun, because that is the predetermined and premeditation of it. Already,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 25: he's already thinking ahead of that gun not being traced
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 25: to him, and that is part of this as well.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Tom Smith, You're exactly correct to Joseph Scott Morgan. Let
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: me introduce him formally. He is a professor of forensics
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: at Jacksonville State University with an incredible criminal procedure program.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: He's the author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: He is a death investigator that has handled thousands of
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: death scenes, and he's a star of hit podcast Body
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: Back to Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, what is a
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: suppressor or commonly known as a silencer.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 21: Yeah, stay away from the term silencer, because no weapon
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 21: is silenced. It is suppressed. That means that the crack
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 21: of the sound you're talking about a perhaps supersonic round,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 21: it's traveling, you know, past the speed of sound. So
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 21: what you want to do is reduce that sound that's
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 21: put forth from the muzzle. If you take a close look,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 21: I'm glad that you have that image. You take a
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 21: close look at that weapon there. The end of that
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 21: muzzle is actually threaded. What that means is is that
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 21: it's adaptable. It's adaptable to contain a suppressor. The suppressor
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 21: is displayed here. It's that long black cylindrical object there.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 21: It can be screwed on on the end. Well, you
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 21: want to knock down the sound, so it's not going
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 21: to draw attention to you when you fired this thing,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 21: because let's just say that it is a non suppressed weapon.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 21: This thing's going to echo through the canyons down there
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 21: in Manhattan, through all of those buildings. You'll still hear
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 21: a sound, but it'll be a slight crack. It's not
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 21: like it's portrayed in movies, okay, but it will reduce
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 21: the sound, it doesn't completely eliminate it. And the purpose
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 21: of this is so that you're not going to draw
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 21: as to any one. It does reduce, say, some of
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 21: the capabilities of the weapon as far as the effectiveness
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 21: of it at a greater range. But this is this
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 21: is not a close range. As a matter of fact,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 21: if we were to look at the body here, it
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 21: would be classified as indeterminate because you're not going to
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 21: have any kind of sut deposition gun unperned gunpowder. It
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 21: will have fallen away by that time. But this is
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 21: not too distant of a shot. You'll still have that
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 21: same muzzle velocity striking into Brian Thompson's body. It's effectively lethal.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Joining me now, the star of Zone seven podcast, Cheryl McCollum,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: is with us. Cheryl who has un serialized guns and
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: silencers criminals.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 15: And maybe there's another thing. Even though this is a
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 15: three D printed weapon, it's still going to lead marking
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 15: on capons and they're going to be able to be
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 15: determined that this weapon fired the bullets that murdered Brian Thompson.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 15: So forensically, it's not going to get you out of trouble.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 15: They may not can trace it to a manufacturer, to
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 15: a bar that they can absolutely determine that that bullet
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 15: was fired by that weapon.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, you're so right, and Tom Smith, this is
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: like a fish in water for you. Every day you
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: were getting off.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: The streets of Manhattan guns to match with bullets, bullets
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: that were literally dug out of victims' bodies.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: And Cheryl said it right.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: A bullet hurls down the barrel of a gun, that
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: gun may look like all the other guns in the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: gun store showcase, but it's not because inside the barrel
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: the metal has cooled in a certain way and it
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: leaves ridges and imperfections on the inside of the barrel,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: and as that bullet shoots down the barrel, it is
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: forever marked by those imperfections. So when you take the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: murder weapon to the crime lab, and you shoot a
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: bullet through the murder weapon, and you take the known
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: bullet dug out of the victim and you put it
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: under a microscope next to the one you just shot.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: It's like a fingerprint.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: No other gun, be it.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: A three D printed gun, a grandma's Bessie's out from
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: under her her mattress, you can track and identify like
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: a fingerprint that bullet came from that gun.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: Isn't that true?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 25: And that's the best way to say it. It's it's
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 25: the gun's fingerprint and the ballistic check of that in
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 25: the twist marks and all of that is what you
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 25: match up. And it is a fingerprint that is unmatchable,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 25: you know, to anyone else. It is strictly to that
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 25: weapon that you will match up the weapon, take the
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 25: round taken out of the victim and match it up.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 25: And that is damaging when it comes to court.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and Tom Smith, that is why they are
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: fighting to the death in court to keep that jury
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: from every knowing of a ballistics match that his three
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: day pritty gun is the murder weapon. Listen to Alvin Bragg,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: the Manhattan District attorney for.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Nearly an hour.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 27: We alleged to the definite waited in the area near
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 27: the Hilton Hotel waiting for mister Thompson to appear. From
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 27: six thirty eight am to six forty four am. The
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 27: defendant stood across from the entrance of the hotel on
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 27: West fifty fourth Street. When he saw mister Thompson, he
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 27: crossed the street and approached him from behind.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Caleb Brantley, Daily Mail.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: The defense for Luigi Mangioni is also trying to suppress
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: statements he allegedly made.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: To his guards.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: He had special guards behind bars, so nothing would happen
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: to him like it did to Epstein. So let's first
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: talk about Thomas Rivers, the former British infantryman who was
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: minding Mangioni. What did Mangioni allegedly say to Rivers.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Nancy.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 16: Luigi was held for ten days in Pennsylvania, and he
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 16: had spoken about being very disappointed that he was being
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 16: compared to the unibomber. He also said that mainstream media
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 16: was more focused on crime, and that when you looked
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 16: at social media, they were really more focused about the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 16: healthcare industry, which, according to this officer, is what Luigi
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 16: said this was really about Wow.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Sounds like a confession to me, sky Lazarro, Oopsie.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 24: Nancy A agree and disagree. Here's the problem. They put
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 24: these guys in a situation like that, in solitary where
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 24: they can't talk to anybody else. And the other thing
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 24: is that we know these officers didn't document any of this.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 24: They're supposed to be taking notes seven times an hour
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 24: about what he's doing and his well being, and they
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 24: don't write down anything.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Like he just made an admission, sky Lazara, did you
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: say it's a problem he's being held in solitary.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: You know who else is in solitary, Brian Thompson, except
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: his is a casket.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: So you're telling me again, I can't believe you're buying
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: into this, sky Lazarro, that he's the one that's being tormented.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: You know what else he told Rivers that Rivers should
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: really read Doors a perception by all this Huxley, which
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: is all about psychedelic drug trips and mystical interpretations. Needless
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: to say, Rivers did not read the book. But there
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: is another guard that he talked to. This is the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: one I'm really interested in.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 12: Officer Matt Henry wasn't chatty with the alleged killer. That
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 12: doesn't stop man Joni from telling Henry he was caught
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 12: with a three D printed firearm, the weapon used to
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 12: murder Ceo Brian Thompson. Attorney Mark Agniffilo challenges Henry, saying,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 12: so he just blurted out to you that he had
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 12: a three D printed pistol. Henry drily replies yes, to.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Doctor Angela Arnold joining us she's a renowned psychiatrist out
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: of the Atlanta jurisdiction at angela arnold dot com Foreign
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Professor Psychiatry. It goes on and on, former medical director
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: at the psychiatric Obgy Inklin at Grady, which never has
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: a lack of business. I found a lot of witnesses
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: and victims at Grady Hospital, Doctor angel Arnold, Why.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: Is this so hard? I bet a jury's not going
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: to have a hard time believing this.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: That Luigi Mangioni, who has had a lifetime of entitlement,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: would blab to his guards.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Why they're his new friends. They would never betray him, right.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 20: Yeah, oh sure? And you know, Nancy, he probably suffers
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 20: from some sort of personality disorder in which he thinks
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 20: about himself an awful lot, So he really doesn't. He
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 20: may not see that he's done anything wrong, and he
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 20: probably hasn't suffered any consequences for any of his actions
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 20: in the past, and so that would make him more
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 20: likely to almost be bragging about what he's done and
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 20: to let other people know what he's done. This is
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 20: typical for his behavior in all likelihood throughout his existence.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: Tom Smith joining me Former NYPD detective thirty years now
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: star co host of gold Shields podcast, Tom, What.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Is wrong with rich people?
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Do they think they can just get away with everything,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: anything and everything they can confess They can say, yeah,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: they caught me with.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: A three D print and gun which is the murder weapon.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: What is wrong with them?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Have you noticed the same sense of entitlement sometimes does
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: them in because they think they can buy off everybody.
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  Speaker 2: That everybody wants to be their friend, but these two
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  Speaker 2: guards do not want to be his friend.
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  Speaker 25: Yeah, they've lived their whole life like this, Nancy. You know,
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  Speaker 25: they've gotten what they wanted. They'd either pay for it
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  Speaker 25: or the power that they have has influenced someone's decision
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  Speaker 25: into what they're getting or what they're doing, And they
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  Speaker 25: just think that holds true for every aspect of their life,
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  Speaker 25: including killing someone. I mean, that's how deranged they are
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  Speaker 25: when it comes to the entitlement that they believe they
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  Speaker 25: are are owed when it comes to murder or you know,
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  Speaker 25: killing a bride. We did that show. You know, It's
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  Speaker 25: just constant and it just keeps coming up, and it's
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  Speaker 25: absolutely disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: Tom.
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  Speaker 2: I want you to look at a picture if I
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  Speaker 2: can get the control and to put it up for me,
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  Speaker 2: dig through those files. I want to see the picture
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  Speaker 2: of allegedly Mangiani, who's presumed innocent, holding up the three
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  Speaker 2: D with the silencer on it, pointing directly.
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  Speaker 1: At Brian Thompson's back. According to police, he.
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  Speaker 2: Waited an hour for just the right moment. There's his
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  Speaker 2: backpack which was recovered at the McDonald's. There's his outfit
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  Speaker 2: which he had with him. There's the three D weapon,
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  Speaker 2: and let's look at Brian Thompson walking along early morning
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  Speaker 2: going to a work conference. He shot in the back
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  Speaker 2: right there. And I'm not going to play that when
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  Speaker 2: he actually gets shot, because someday, somehow his boys might
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  Speaker 2: look this up online and I don't want this to
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  Speaker 2: be stuck in their memory Calla Brantley. Were any of
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: man Gie Only's family members in court? And were any
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  Speaker 2: of the victims' family members in court this week?
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  Speaker 16: Not that we know of, Nancy, but a lot of
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  Speaker 16: Luigi's supporters And one thing, have you heard of pretty privilege?
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  Speaker 16: Because it absolutely feels like Luigi is benefiting from that
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  Speaker 16: by having hordes of fans, because he is a handsome man,
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  Speaker 16: that he is benefiting from pretty privilege. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 16: his defense team is happy that they have a relatively
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  Speaker 16: attractive man as a client.
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  Speaker 1: Kiala, I don't find him attractive.
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  Speaker 2: Every time I look at him, I see a tail
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  Speaker 2: swishing in the back and two horns right here.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I see. We wait as Justice of folds.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy Christ signing off, goodbye friend,