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LIVE(ish) from the Obama Presidential Center · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: safe like SimpliSafe. Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Tommy Vitor. We are coming to you from the
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  Speaker 1: Obama Presidential Center in Chicago. I think this is the
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  Speaker 1: first ever podcast recorded from the Obama Presidential Center. I
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  Speaker 1: just made that up. Yeah, but I think it's great.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it opened today, so.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It opened today, so I think
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  Speaker 1: that we... Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: How are you?
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  Speaker 1: It's fine. Nice.
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  Speaker 2: It's really good.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. This is the beautiful presidential reading room. uh
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  Speaker 1: in the branch of the chicago public library i don't
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  Speaker 1: see our book yeah what you should probably donate one
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  Speaker 1: children's section here do we see dan's books anywhere i
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  Speaker 1: don't see dan's.
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  Speaker 3: Book i've heard rumors that our books are in here
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  Speaker 3: but i can't oh i see life.
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  Speaker 1: Of pie anyway we'll.
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  Speaker 3: Come back to this let's see what it takes oh
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  Speaker 3: i see my book right there oh we saw two
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  Speaker 3: over from what it takes now.
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  Speaker 1: If you're just listening on the audio i know this
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  Speaker 1: is riveting us looking around at the books.
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  Speaker 2: Hey let's hey let's stop navel gazing about the books
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  Speaker 2: start navel gazing about the event.
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  Speaker 1: So we just came from the event and we just
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  Speaker 1: uh toured the museum for the first time are we
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  Speaker 1: calling a museum the center the center the center library
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  Speaker 1: yeah yeah it's just i think it's it's the obama
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  Speaker 1: presidential center is the official name and we just uh
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  Speaker 1: we just took a little tour what'd you guys think
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  Speaker 1: none of the event of the of what we just
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  Speaker 1: saw on all the all the floors dan it's.
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  Speaker 3: I mean obviously very emotional for us to walk through
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  Speaker 3: it and see from the beginning of the campaign through
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  Speaker 3: the white house, the good moments, the bad moments, but it's,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's really, it's very, very powerful.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Love it. How did you feel about what you tried
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  Speaker 1: so hard to stop from happening?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I think.
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  Speaker 3: So poorly tried.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the beginning of the museum, about the
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  Speaker 2: ways in which I couldn't prevent this from happening, as
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  Speaker 2: you move up through the floors, I become more and
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  Speaker 2: more excited to be a part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Every time we went by an exhibit and wanted to, like,
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  Speaker 1: take a picture there, Lovett would say, like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: this is stolen valor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as you get into the administration, then I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I can celebrate, but when it's you know, the signed, sealed,
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  Speaker 2: delivered speech in New Hampshire.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, well, I was kind of on the
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  Speaker 1: other side of that. It was weird.
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  Speaker 3: When you just started yelling about caucus rules.
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  Speaker 1: That was strange.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, superdelegates are there legitimate, the superdelegates. It's part of
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  Speaker 2: the process. Respect the process. But it's strange to see
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  Speaker 2: something set up. It's great to experience it for us,
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  Speaker 2: but it isn't really set up for us. It's set
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  Speaker 2: up to kind of take people through something they might
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  Speaker 2: not know about. And it is set up for a
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  Speaker 2: longer time. timeline it's set up for people to experience
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  Speaker 2: over a very long time and it is interesting to
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  Speaker 2: see uh things you experience written in just such a
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  Speaker 2: declarative past tense like this is what happened this was
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  Speaker 2: the history of this.
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  Speaker 3: Right it's history now it's history and we're so old
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  Speaker 3: our jobs in a museum.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that is true yeah tell me what you think
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the museum's amazing. Everyone should come check it out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Michelle Obama talked about how they wanted it
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  Speaker 1: to be interactive. So there's lots of exhibits and speeches
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  Speaker 1: and stories of individual people, but you can shoot hoops.
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  Speaker 1: And we're literally in a library where you can take
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  Speaker 1: out a book or you can hang out and do
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  Speaker 1: a picnic. I think the thing that's been amazing for
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  Speaker 1: me and emotional is just all the people we've gotten
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  Speaker 1: to just run into. It's like when I go back
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  Speaker 1: to D.C., you run into a lot of people and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the time you don't want to run
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  Speaker 1: into them. here I've run into a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: and every time it's like, I'm so excited to see
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  Speaker 1: this person. It's a blast from the past. Like Hannah
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  Speaker 1: and I, uh, we're dealing with a snafu on our
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  Speaker 1: bracelets to get in. And we ended up in a
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  Speaker 1: 10 minute line behind Adderall McRaven. And I was like, oh, Hannah,
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  Speaker 1: this is the guy who did the bin Laden operation. Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's a conversation you don't have every day. His bracelet
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  Speaker 1: was also incorrect. It was. He was not allowed into
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  Speaker 1: the event, unfortunately. Our friend Joshua Dubois, who's like we've
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  Speaker 1: known forever, who used to play pranks in the office
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  Speaker 1: and one time changed it. So my outlook, every time
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  Speaker 1: I wrote the word the, it auto corrected to bag
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  Speaker 1: of assholes. He gave the prayer and invocation. I just
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  Speaker 1: want to say that when Tommy realized this, he didn't
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  Speaker 1: think it was a prank. And Tommy's just typing emails.
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  Speaker 1: And he's like– we were in the Senate office at
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  Speaker 1: the time. It was 2006. And he's like, every time
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  Speaker 1: I write an email, all of a sudden it just
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  Speaker 1: says bag of assholes. It's like I'm sure that I
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  Speaker 1: didn't write bag of assholes. I'm almost positive I didn't
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  Speaker 1: write bag of assholes in this email.
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  Speaker 5: Almost.
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  Speaker 1: How are you not more sure?
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  Speaker 2: It's like when Mad Reporter thought that she was hacked
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  Speaker 2: because she had spilled water on her space bar.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: It was the first story I thought of, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: and now he's the pastor at this event. Josh walked
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  Speaker 1: up to me last night and said, what's up, you
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  Speaker 1: bag of assholes? Anyway, Eddie Vedder was here. He did
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  Speaker 1: a musical number with some 13 and 14-year-old kids. They
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  Speaker 1: composed it. They put it together. They played it in
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  Speaker 1: front of four presidents of the United States. The whole
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  Speaker 1: thing has just been very cool and inspiring and a
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  Speaker 1: home game for us.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing about the museum just that I think
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  Speaker 3: is really noteworthy is it is about like how people
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  Speaker 3: can learn from what Obama did, what people on Obama
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  Speaker 3: did and do similar things going forward. Like the whole
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  Speaker 3: idea is to inspire people to take their community, their country,
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  Speaker 3: their lives in their own hands and try to bring change.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's the entire thing from top to bottom at
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  Speaker 3: every place of this is about like the core principle.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's, he's a very young ex-president as he mentioned today,
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  Speaker 1: not that young, but young enough. And also, um, It
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  Speaker 1: started as a community organizer here in Chicago. And so
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  Speaker 1: I do think that like they were very, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the intention of the whole museum or in the whole
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  Speaker 1: center from the beginning was that it wasn't just like
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  Speaker 1: somewhere we could walk around and see exhibits or just
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  Speaker 1: like a traditional museum. presidential library, but that it would
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  Speaker 1: be a place, be a community center where like people
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  Speaker 1: can go be inspired to, um, you know, run for
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  Speaker 1: office or help their community or, um, and so I
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  Speaker 1: really think they achieved that. I, I love the museum.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I went, uh, I first came Tuesday with
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  Speaker 1: Emily and the kids brought Charlie and Teddy and. It
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  Speaker 1: lasted a couple hours before Teddy had a meltdown when
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  Speaker 1: he tried to eat the fake apple in the fake
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  Speaker 1: Oval Office. Didn't go well. Couldn't eat it. Wanted a
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  Speaker 1: real apple. Cried a lot. We left. But before that,
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  Speaker 1: I do think that the campaign, there's a whole level
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  Speaker 1: dedicated to the campaign. And it tells the whole story
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  Speaker 1: of the campaign from beginning to end. And the last panel,
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  Speaker 1: after you watch the video, is Grant Park. And the
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  Speaker 1: way they tell the Grant Park story is through... um,
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  Speaker 1: newscast from all over the world announcing that he won.
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  Speaker 1: And it just like interviews people in like Africa and
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  Speaker 1: people in Europe and people in like Selma, uh, here
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  Speaker 1: and just talking about what it meant to them. And
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  Speaker 1: I was just watching that and I'm like, Oh yeah, see,
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  Speaker 1: this is a great country. Like when we can, like,
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  Speaker 1: this is, we complain about it a lot and there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of bad things going on right now, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a, this is a great country.
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  Speaker 2: The, uh, you know, we'll talk about the speeches more, but, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I was just thinking about nostalgia walking through the museum and,
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  Speaker 2: There's a poll that came out the other day that said,
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  Speaker 2: which of the previous presidents do you think did the
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  Speaker 2: best job? And Obama is the leading president of people
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  Speaker 2: who have a positive view of him in hindsight. And
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  Speaker 2: you walk around this museum and it has this hopeful
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  Speaker 2: view of the country about, you know, the relationship between
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  Speaker 2: organizing community and democracy, civic responsibility, empathy, and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the old fashioned civic virtues. And I did find myself
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  Speaker 2: thinking walking around, okay, this was and is persuasive to people.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm leaving thinking, okay, but let's be honest, this
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  Speaker 2: museum is opening at a time in which Trump is
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  Speaker 2: part of the speeches. It is part of this event
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  Speaker 2: that people are aware of what's happening in the country.
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  Speaker 2: And what are the ways in which this was not
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  Speaker 2: made durable after? What are the ways in which either
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  Speaker 2: this vision of the country wasn't as persuasive as we
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  Speaker 2: hoped it would be, or we did not uphold it
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  Speaker 2: and use it to make the best case possible to
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  Speaker 2: prevent Trump from winning not once but twice. And that
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  Speaker 2: was also on my mind because I'm not a nostalgic
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  Speaker 2: person by nature. And so I was sort of stuck
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  Speaker 2: on that. And I was trying to challenge myself to think, okay,
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  Speaker 2: this obviously is a vision that I respect and appreciate.
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  Speaker 2: What are the ways in which it wasn't able to
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  Speaker 2: fully bring more people along after Obama was gone?
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  Speaker 1: It's funny. That was what was stuck in my head
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  Speaker 1: before coming here. I was thinking about it a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And then having spent today listening to President Obama and
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  Speaker 1: Michelle and going through the center, I think that the
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  Speaker 1: answer is, at least their answer is, that it's not
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  Speaker 1: ever going to be durable. Like that is the whole
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  Speaker 1: point of not just America, but like human nature, that
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  Speaker 1: like we're always going to have these moments where, you know, people's,
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  Speaker 1: I always talk about better angels, people's worst angels take
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  Speaker 1: over and that's, and progress doesn't happen in a straight line.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think their answer is, everyone has to
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  Speaker 1: just get to work, right? And everyone has to just
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  Speaker 1: keep going and keep, and like, and don't give into
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  Speaker 1: like cynicism and don't, you know, and don't give up.
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  Speaker 3: And the first part of the museum doesn't actually start
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  Speaker 3: with the Obama stories. It actually starts with the.
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  Speaker 1: Key moments in history.
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  Speaker 3: They're like the one we're in right now where bad
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  Speaker 3: things are happening and you know, whether it, or there
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  Speaker 3: are real problems in the country that are being changed, right?
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  Speaker 3: The civil rights movement, the suffrage movement, all of that stuff,
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  Speaker 3: the labor movement. And the, I think the answer to
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  Speaker 3: that is, it's like at every point, it's not always
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  Speaker 3: going to be good. And, but every time it's been
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  Speaker 3: bad and we have dealt with it, it is because
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  Speaker 3: regular people came together, they started organizing, they started working,
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  Speaker 3: they started voting and they brought change. And that we can,
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  Speaker 3: I think the true message of that, so we can
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  Speaker 3: do that again. And they didn't write, like, obviously this
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  Speaker 3: museum was not made for the Trump era.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Cause it's going to be around for a hundred, 200
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  Speaker 3: years after that. But I like, and this is like
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  Speaker 3: always core in what Obama talked about. It's in the
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  Speaker 3: Selma speech that, uh, adorns the build, the building itself
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  Speaker 3: is that we are always going to have moments like these,
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  Speaker 3: and we're going to have to come together to get
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  Speaker 3: out of them. And so, you know, maybe a few
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  Speaker 3: years from now, things will look much more like they
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  Speaker 3: did in 2008. And then it looked like 2016 again.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think it's the, it's the idea that, yes, that is
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  Speaker 2: that you step back and say, all right, this is,
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  Speaker 2: this is the path of progress.
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  Speaker 1: Two steps forward.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: One step back, there are times where people give in
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  Speaker 2: to their fears and their whatever, their smallness. But part
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  Speaker 2: of the work of getting out of it is not
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  Speaker 2: just stepping back and saying, we will come together and
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  Speaker 2: figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, what happened, right? What were the ways in
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  Speaker 1: which this.
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  Speaker 2: Vision of America seemed to some people to be either
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  Speaker 2: false or hollow in some way or not able to
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  Speaker 2: be replicated by the candidates that followed?
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  Speaker 1: Two things. One, Uh, back to Teddy, it's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing people probably didn't know that you could
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  Speaker 1: walk into the oval office and there was a bowl
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  Speaker 1: of apples on the coffee table between the two couches
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  Speaker 1: and people would just take them and eat them. And
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  Speaker 1: actually the actual bowl that was on Barack Obama's coffee
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  Speaker 1: table for eight years is now in this museum because
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  Speaker 1: our friend Farrell just had it at her house and
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  Speaker 1: now it's here. That's, I think, a fun little anecdote
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  Speaker 1: that people don't know. And two, on the speeches, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I literally was just talking to Josh Shapiro, governor of Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: No big deal. Watch your feet, guys. Watch your feet, guys.
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  Speaker 1: And as I'm talking to Josh Shapiro, Hannah comes up.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, can we go get some food? It's like this.
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  Speaker 1: Come on. Come on. Anyway. And he and I were
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  Speaker 1: talking about like whether– That's Jewish energy. He and I
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  Speaker 1: were talking about whether we watched the speech and felt
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  Speaker 1: like the reaction to the speech part of the conversation
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  Speaker 1: like– Do we think what he was saying is still real,
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  Speaker 1: like that there are that people really do want decency
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  Speaker 1: and to bring people together and a politics that just
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  Speaker 1: delivers for them? Because it's so easy to see the
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  Speaker 1: social media part of politics and the owning each other
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  Speaker 1: and the viciousness from Trump and the moments I feel
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  Speaker 1: myself falling into being a shittier person online. Yeah. Like
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  Speaker 1: dunking on people on Twitter. And honestly, my reaction to
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  Speaker 1: Barack Obama's speech was it made me want to be
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  Speaker 1: a better person.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And it made me want to be more like him
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  Speaker 1: and more like civically engaged and to pay more attention
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  Speaker 1: to the messages we're hearing out of people like Shapiro
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  Speaker 1: and James Tallarico that are asking us to kind of
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  Speaker 1: get back to that brand of politics.
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  Speaker 3: I 1,000% believe that the winning 2028 candidate will be
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  Speaker 3: someone who offers a version of that message.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
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  Speaker 3: To turn the page on this era of division of
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  Speaker 3: terribleness for something better. It won't be exactly the same
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  Speaker 3: as Obama as much as the world has changed. We
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of calluses and scar tissue over the
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  Speaker 3: last decade, but something that is more like that than
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  Speaker 3: the liberal inverse of Trump.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny. I think just the nature of the trip.
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  Speaker 1: And we've been doing a whole bunch of things the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of days that I haven't really been on
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  Speaker 1: my phone as much. And then where we were sitting,
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  Speaker 1: Dan and I were like really trying to get service
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  Speaker 1: and then trying to like figure out how to get
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  Speaker 1: on the Wi-Fi and it just wasn't happening. And so
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  Speaker 1: like I have seen no takes of any of the speeches,
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  Speaker 1: didn't know nothing what was happening. And it really like,
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  Speaker 1: I sat there like, good, I don't want to know
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  Speaker 1: what all the takes are out there of what this
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  Speaker 1: event is and like letting all the cynicism creep back
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  Speaker 1: in because I felt like, you know, I'm like, it
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  Speaker 1: does make me want to be a better person. And Michelle,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about her speech in a second, but
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  Speaker 1: she had this riff in the speech where she talked
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  Speaker 1: about how hope is a choice and, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: can just sound hokey when you just hear it like that.
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  Speaker 1: But I think what she meant is like, yes, you
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  Speaker 1: can decide that things are going to be bad or that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not worth trying all that. Or you
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  Speaker 1: can decide like, yeah, things could still be bad, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually just going to stop complaining and try and
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: like put my shoulder to the wheel and see if
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: I can make a difference.
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: I do think that part of like, you know, what is,
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: what is Trump's skill as a politician? And he can
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: really make people's worst qualities just truer about them. He
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: just has the ability to make something bad. We have
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: good parts and bad parts in us. I mean, the
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: other day I was, I was like, you can, we
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: go do a tour show in Detroit and we say,
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: is anyone here from Michigan? And someone raises their hand
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: and it says they're safe. They're from Ohio. The whole
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: crowd like booze them like fucking crazy. There's an ice
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: agent in every heart. But, but, but, but, but so
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: like there's this, what I liked about that part of them,
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Michelle's speech specifically is choosing Trump is takes your agency.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: And it is, it is, we do not have to, uh, um,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: ignore people's culpability, the, the harm of that choice, the,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: the fact that they could have made a different one, right?
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Like we should.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Hold people responsible and treat them like adults.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: And I think.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: One thing that Barack Obama does as a politician is
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: he tries to treat people like adults and a politics
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: that treats people like adults.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: The other thing he does that I think we as
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: a party are sometimes missing is he is unabashedly patriotic.
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: And talks about his love for the country. And that
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean he hides the imperfections of the country. He
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: is the living embodiment of the worst stains in our history,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: but he is patriotic and he talks about the love
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: of the country. And I think people want that and
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: they want to be a part of a movement that
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: is patriotic. And I was reminded of this when we
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: went to the, the, I went to the USA Paraguay
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: soccer game the other day and like just being with
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: thousands of people chanting USA, USA, and like loving their
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: country and cheering for the players. And like the fact
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: that a bunch of them are immigrants.
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: And one was like literally like his mother, like the
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro's out there calling him an anchor baby.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: And this guy scored two goals. Like it just getting
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: back to that brand of politics is so important. I
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: talked to Jerusalem Demsys about this for Offline this week,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: and she was saying there's this I haven't seen it,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: but there's this whole discourse online around the World Cup
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: where all of these people are coming to America and
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: then they're like posting. America's really great and people are
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: so nice. They're going to Waffle House for the first time.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Because of everything that they hear about Trump, they thought
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: coming here would be this like dark dystopian. And they're like,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: this is a wonderful country. And I thought about that
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: walking through the center too. And I was like, this
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: has been my feeling the last two days here. I
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: was like, this is a fucking great country. Like it
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: is a great country. And just because Trump is president
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: and we don't like what's happening, it doesn't mean that
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: we should say, oh, this country sucks now. It doesn't.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Don't let them take this from you.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like holding just– the, like, this is
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: not who we are. Well, you know, Trump is who
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: we are, but also what we are to the, the
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: part where in the speech where he started, he talked
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: about the 250th anniversary. And it just was a small
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: moment for me of just like, we're, there's so much
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: noise around Trump politicizing the 250th birthday and the UFC
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: fight on the lawn and the Trump rally on the
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: national mall and the reflecting pool and all the rest.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: And that's a terrible price. Just that this is what
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: he's doing with his, with this moment, but also the
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: opportunity costs of just like what it would have been
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: like to have literally any other person in that job
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: who just had some modicum of patriotism or respect for
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: the country to understand how to make it a genuinely
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: uniting moment. And the fact that he doesn't even have
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: a shred of it. I know, I keep thinking about that.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: It's like- Could have been a Republican president. Like I
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been happy about that, but like could have
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: been a Republican president that brought the country together around
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: America's 250th easily.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I have no doubt that George W.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Bush's 250th America thing would have annoyed me in certain respects.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, sure.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: But like you look like- But there would have been
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: really nice moments and we've been like, okay, I feel good.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: It was nice also in the speech. A sense of mission. Yeah.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: When Obama gave a shout out, he was like, John
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: McCain loved this country like I did, like Mitt Romney did.
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  Speaker 1: at acorns.com slash crooked. Speaking of that, I think we
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: do have a clip from Obama's speech that we can
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: play and then react to. How are you? That's it.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Tommy did it. Tommy has the clip. The exhibit's in
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the center.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: Are not meant to evoke nostalgia for some gauzy bygone era,
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: some unattainable past that we can dream about and say, oh,
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: we miss you, Barack. They're meant, they're meant to remind
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: us of who we can be, to remind us of
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: what's possible, So we can forge ahead, clear-eyed and confident,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: and do the work that still needs.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: To be done.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I wanted to play that clip because I think he
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: had done a few interviews before today where I think
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: he got questions from reporters that were in the vein
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: of Like, isn't this nostalgia or isn't this like a
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: long lost era? And doesn't it feel like a different
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: reality because of what we're dealing with right now? And
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: he actually wanted to respond to that in the speech.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And I think in a way, it's the mission of
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the whole center, which we were just talking about. And
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I think they're very sensitive to the idea that this
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: is either a monument to them or about the accomplishments
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: of the administration or about some gauzy past. And what
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: it is supposed to be is... basically like a pep
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: talk for america yeah which which today was i think
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: a badly needed one but yeah i look i think
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are frustrated that he's not more
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: engaged with kind of like the politics of the day-to-day
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and i think we've even at times expressed like wishing
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: he was just talking about things but he talked about
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the twin cities and the way they stood up to
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: ice and came together as a community i thought that
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: was clearly about this moment yeah he talked about Government
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: is more than one that divvies up the spoils, that
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: punishes enemies, that keeps those that are different from them
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: in their place. Shot at George W.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Bush.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: He's like, I do not believe that's how the story
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of America ends. We'll talk about Michelle's speech in a minute,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: which is a little more directed at the Trump administration.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: But I thought Obama was very much commenting on the
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: politics of Trump today.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I would just say criticizing museum for being too nostalgic
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: is just idiotic.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: It's just their point.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: This museum looks backwards. Which way does your museum face?
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I think this all started with, I think it was
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: at a New York Times. It was a Peter Baker. Yes.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And it was like, and I think, I mean, I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: get why reporters would write that, right? Because we are
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: living in this reality and then you step in here
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, is this just a pining for
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the past kind of thing? And I, you know what they're,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: what they're really trying to say. And this goes to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: your point. Point about how people complain like Obama's not
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: more involved in politics. And what Obama always says is like,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be out there forever because I
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: want the next generation of progressive leaders to to be
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: out there and to like have their moment. Maybe this
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: will be the election cycle that happens.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And I think the point of the center and the
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: point of the foundation. I'm losing with the football. Like
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it is nice when Obama goes out there and he's
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: great on the campaign trail and he gives great speeches
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and he motivates people. And that's important to have in
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: democratic politics. But we do need leaders who are not
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Obama and who take the spotlight in the next 10 years,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: 20 years.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Also, I don't I agree with all that. But also,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: it's OK to be nostalgic. I'm not like nostalgia doesn't
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: do it for me in the same way. I'm not
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: really like a hope person. I'm more of an anger
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: and rage person. But I understand its value in the
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: same way that Trump.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Appeals to more of an experienced person.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And in small doses. And best in small doses.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: And especially when experience plus strength.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right. And obviously, as I've said,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: change equals one divided by, no wait, strength plus experience
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: equals change, so change divided by strength plus experience equals one.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: But back to the museum. It's okay to be nostalgic, right? Yes,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: this was a moment where people were really hopeful and
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: A lot of really good was, a lot of good
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: was done. A lot of things weren't finished, but people
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: believed in the mission. They cared about it. They fought
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: to make it happen and they elected him twice and
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: it led to really good things. That nostalgia is a
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: good thing to feel.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: And there's a way in which to like- Especially if
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: it inspires you to act. Yes, yes. It's good to feel,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: but it's also good to like be like, oh, well
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: then I'm going to go do something.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: And that there's a whole, and there's a lot of
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: people who are very, very hyper engaged in politics. It
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: applies to a lot of people that are partisan. It
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: applies to a lot of people that are nonpartisan journalists that,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that they see that as inherently naive, that there's something
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: inherently naive about having that warm and good feeling about
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: politics in any way, that it's cringe, right? I think
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: it applies to us sometimes.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Of course. I've been in those moments all the time.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: But I had this moment while I was watching, I
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: think there was a moment where- Bono was singing Michelle,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: my bell and boy, I have a photo. I have a,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: I'm cringing. I got a photo of Tommy just print,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: just a full body cringe. And, and I get, and like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: but why do we cringe? And I think it's sometimes
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: because we're uncomfortable with.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: A display of care or.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Like a direction that we might agree with, but take
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: something too far in a way that feels syrupy or
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: saccharine in some way.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And you were wondering why, Is he hitting on her? Yeah,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: that was a word.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Obama did say, leave my wife, don't
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: touch my wife.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: But it was a lot of, to your point, like
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: in the 2020 election, like, you know, it was a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: thing you'd hear online that people were like, oh, oh,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: we're just going to vote our way out of this problem.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, yeah, actually, that's the whole thing. That's democracy.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not the only thing you're going to do,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: but at some point you do have to vote. If
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you don't do it, a lot of the other stuff
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: you're going to try isn't going to do much.
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Well, otherwise it's not a democracy. And then we're the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: other system that we say that we're against. So you
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: do have to have vote at some point. So let's
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: talk about Michelle's speech. Let's just listen to a clip
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: because then we can comment on it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: The native kid showing us that resilience and pride can
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: never be stolen. The 4-H'ers and FFA members with calluses
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: on their hands from feeding livestock. The immigrants proving what
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: it truly means to be a dreamer.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: These folks.
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: These folks aren't Americans, too. They are America. They are
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: the beating heart of this country. They are us and
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: we are them. Deep down in our hearts and souls,
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: we all know right from wrong. We know selflessness from greed,
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: righteousness from injustice. All of us, all of us are
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: created equal. that each of us is a child of
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: God with an errant value. And no one, and I
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: mean no one, has the right to sit in judgment
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: of who's American enough.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: So I will say, I got like a little misty
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: when I saw the Grant Park panel at the center.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: But the first time this whole week, that I actually just, like,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: cried was during her speech. Oh, yeah, for sure. I
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: saw the sign language interpreter wiping tears.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: I did, too.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I did, too. It was a fantastic speech. I mean, it's, like,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: it's almost cliche to say it, that, like, Michelle Obama
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: always knocks it out of the park, but it really
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: was this time. I thought Obama's speech was really good. She, like,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time I didn't see her
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: just kind of knock the cover off the ball. I'm
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: trying to think of a bad Michelle Obama speech. There's no...
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: The part that also was really moving was she... She
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: says at the beginning, I'm going to do what, you know,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: what Brock won't want me to do and just like
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: brag about him. And she talks about like how he
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: carried himself in the eight years as president. And that's
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: what like really did it for me. Yeah, I lost
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: it at that point.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: It is see him crying it is like like what
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: she said about him it's like what we know but
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: just like he is such like a decent human like
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: just truly to his core decent like he's flawed like
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: he's a human but he's a decent human i think
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: all the time about like the one thing and this
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: is like at the core of what michelle was saying
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: but i used to think all the time about how
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Every– like I'd be in meetings with Obama where it would.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Just be like people who he saw a lot.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: He would be pretty grumpy, right?
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Like shit is bad going on.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: But then someone would come in the room who would
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: be like a younger staff briefing on something or someone
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: coming in for a visit. And he like instantly knew
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: that that interaction with him– maybe that's the only time
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: they'll ever be the president in their life– was going
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: to be matter.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Life-changing.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Life-changing for them. And he, no matter how shitty the
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: day was, he would pull it together. and just treat
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: that person with the utmost respect and make that a
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: special moment. That to me has always summed up who
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: he is. And it was really just powerful to hear
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Michelle talk about it that way.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I always thought.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: That there was an irony in the Obama campaign being
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: about change and that that carrying him all the way
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: to the nomination. But ultimately, he is able to defeat
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: John McCain because in the weeks of the financial crisis,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: what actually carried him All the way to the presidency,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: which was not a quality that I think was necessary
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: for his rise until then, was a kind of preternatural evenness, reliability, consistency, trustworthiness,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: a calm that was sort of in his bones and
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: infused everything that he did. And it gave people the assurance, unspoken,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: that they could take a chance on him when John
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: McCain was supposed to be the more senior and seasoned
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: person but had seemed erratic in the lead up to
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the election. And when people would say things like, which
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Michelle referenced, that, oh, he wasn't qualified, it wasn't this,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: it was that. It's like, why is he qualified? Well,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: look at what he is, look at how he is
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: modeling what it means to be a senator and a
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: candidate in a way that, say, Sarah Palin, right, who
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: could claim a similar whatever experience in the public, in
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: an elected office that didn't have the same effect. And
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: now we're all these years later, and it just stands
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: in contrast to what Trump is, And the fact that
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: there were so many Republicans who spent eight years denigrating
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: him as a person, pretending he was some threat or
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: some alien or some evil and socialist sort of extreme force, when,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: of course, the whole time he was this even-keeled, center-left, consensus-building,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: reliable figure, which now, in hindsight, the country terribly misses.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when I just think about why I
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: was lucky to work for him, like, yeah, he was cool. yes,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: he was a great communicator and speaker, but the thing
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: upon like a long time of reflection that I've come
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: to realize was the best part about working for him
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: is that on literally anything you could go to him
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and he had a core belief about whatever it was.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: And that was from a good place. That was from
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: a sense of decency and like, yes, politics are part
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: of everything, but it was about doing the right thing.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: And like, you just never doubted that or like, their
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: motivation of their family. And it's just like, contrast that
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: to like, you walk in the Oval Office now and
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: they're fucking day trading on the war with Iran. You know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: it's just insane where we've gotten. One of my favorite
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: lines about Obama ever is that Ta-Nehisi Coates line at
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: the beginning of that long piece about him at the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: end of the administration, which was for eight years, he
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: walked on ice and never fell. And it was about,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: race and how he handled race and being the first
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: black president. But I also, um, think it's about, it
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: was about so much more than that is that like
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: the job president and the job of him being president
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: and being the first, um, black president, as Michelle also
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: mentioned today, um, it requires so much care and thoughtfulness
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and like balance of so many different competing interests and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: competing desires within yourself and trying to channel your emotions
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: and trying to suppress some emotions and And I feel
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: like Michelle's speech was that line, that Ta-Nehisi Coates line.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: And I think that's why it was so affecting because
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I think we all get
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: that having been in politics. Like we all do that.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: We've all done that throughout our time in politics is
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: you realize that so much of the job is constant
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: thinking about like what is the right balance of this
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: and that and how do I not piss this person
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: off and how do I persuade this person? And like
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: so much care goes into it. And the fact that
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: he was able to do that and get through eight
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: years still intact is just like, you know, it's inspiring.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: I think being the first black president, like what Michelle said,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: like anyone who worked with him or worked from the
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: very beginning knew the historic nature of his candidacy and
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: the different set of rules that were applied to him.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: And it's the same way different set of rules are
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: applied to women candidates.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: And he refused to complain about it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: He refused to complain about it. And he couldn't, and Michelle,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: like that was subtext of everything that we always talked about.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: But Michelle made it text, right? And said very clear
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: that he, for eight years, could not make a mistake.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: He could not slip up. He cannot lose his temper.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: He cannot lash out. He could not send an angry tweet.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: He had to bear the expectations and the pressure of
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: being the first black president because how he did it
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: was going to dictate if and when we had a
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: second black president, right?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: For example, literally just pointing out that Trayvon Martin- looked
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: like what his son would look like if he had
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: a son, right? She said that today, and I was.
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: Like, yeah.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: She leaned in. Yeah, and I think that... She got
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: some stuff off her chest today, which I liked.
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: She always does.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: It was great. It was powerful. We should talk about
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the backdrop of all of this, invisible in the backdrop,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and sometimes very visible as Trump. Yeah. And how they
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: both handled that today.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. It's funny. I felt the same way at
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: the convention, too, that.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: When Michelle's speeches, there's like an edge and a kind
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: of darkness to them that I'm like, oh, I'm like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I'm always caught off guard by it. I'm like, oh,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: like she's pissed a little bit. Like she's going to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: say some things that she's feeling about what's going on
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: right now. And it always works because I do think
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: like she taps in. It's a very, it's, you know,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: it's a, it's, it matches what he does. Um, there's
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: a compliments what, what he does because she has this,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: she understands how to use that, that feeling people have.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: That's all good.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: We're living through the Trump era. We're always a little
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: bit mad. We're always a little bit upset. It's always there.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: It is a, it is a cloud over our society.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: And she just, without saying the name, she just said,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: you know what?
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: That's part of today.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to, and it makes me upset too,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: because not just because of what's happening right now, because of,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: but because of what the other standard that was applied
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: to Barack Obama, when I saw what kind of a
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: man he was.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: And the thing that I think will probably get clicky
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: is like, you know, he actually won a peace prize, right?
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: That was like a fun shot at Trump. The thing
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that I thought, to your point, Lovett, about the darkness
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: was failing to see the humanity in others puts us
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: on a slippery slope when she's talking about immigration. Yes. Right?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: She's like talking about this slide to fascism in her remarks.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I can't remember who said this, but someone said about
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Michelle after her convention speech in 2024 that she is
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: your friend who just tells you like it is, does
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: not beat around the bush, just tells you exactly what
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: you need to hear. And her speeches always just reflect–
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: like there's no– There's a way to make those points
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: that are so subtle that maybe– or you get it,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: but you've basically wasted a bunch of words. She just
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: says it always, and it's what makes it so powerful.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I always roll my eyes when people are like, Michelle
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Obama should run for president because we obviously know she's
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: never going to run for anything because she despises politics.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: But again, today, halfway through the speech, as I was
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: crying and then Emily was also crying next to me,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: she was like, I mean, maybe she should run for something.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: She's like, are we crazy? I had the same thought,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: then I slapped myself. I'm like, well, we can want
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: it all we want. She's not going to do it.
• 37:28
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• 39:16
  Speaker 5: I did.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: About what Democrats can learn from Barack Obama, which I
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: thought would be a nice way to end this section.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Well, look, I think Obama sets every election cycle.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: He goes out.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: He goes on the trail and everyone says, like, why
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: can't more Democrats look at this? And Obama's obviously, as
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: we all know, a generationally talented communicator. And so just
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: telling people to be more like Obama is like not
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: helpful advice. It's like be more like Michael Jordan.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Dunk more.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: But I think there are like a few things that
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: any communicator can take from him.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I'll just give you a couple.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: One is. like in Tommy, you mentioned this is that
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: there is this inherent patriotism in everything he says, like
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: he owns it. He will not let Republicans take patriotism.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: He is not, he will, you know, and often does
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: talk about all the flaws of this country, but makes
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: the point about what a special place is. You heard
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: that today. The other one is that he, you know,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: and I remember this, uh, early on the administration, we
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: were going to do a YouTube town hall, which was
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: like very innovative at the time, which was just a
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: town hall that streamed on the internet.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: And, but YouTube was hosting and we were taking, we're
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: doing a YouTube podcast and they.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Were taking questions over the, over, I guess, in YouTube comments. Um,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: I can remember, but the number one topic by far
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: was legalization of marijuana. And so we went in to
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: say like, this is the one question, but you don't like,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: we can, we don't have to take it. And he's like,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: you always have to talk to these, like, well, if
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: it's the number one question, we're going to talk about it.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Because he will always say, you always have to talk
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: about the thing, right? The elephant in the room. You
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: cannot avoid it. Just take it head on. And then
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: the last thing I think is really powerful is we
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: talk all the time about how.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Democrats need a better affordability message, economic message, all this.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: And what Obama always understood is that the discussion of
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: the economy is not really about policy. It's not about
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: how many times you say affordability. It's not whether you
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: say bottom up or middle out. It's a story about values,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: about who you're fighting for and who you're fighting against.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: That is the frame to bring to all of this. Ultimately,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing to take from Obama over
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: the whole time is that politics and messaging is a
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: storytelling exercise.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: It's not a slogan. It's not a soundbite. It's not
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: a tweet. It is an.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Overall narrative about the country, about why you are the
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: person who should be elected, why the other side should
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: not be elected.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: And fitting things into those stories. What do you have
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: to say about this moment that we're in right now
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and the country and where you want to take us?
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: What do you have to say about it? And everything
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: has to flow from there. Message flows from there. Policy
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: flows from there. That's where you have to start. And
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Michelle and Barack Obama had something to say today, right?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: And people can have something completely different to say, but
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: you still need to run for president having something to
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: say about this moment that is beyond just Donald Trump
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and what policies you want to enact when you're president. Okay,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: let's get to some news before we leave, because I
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: guess news has been happening.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: We've not had access to it, but we hear it's happening.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: We got the text of the Iran deal, apparently, the MOU.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: And boy, is it a stinker.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Tommy, was the Treaty of Versailles an MOU?
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a good question. Yeah, so we
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: have a Treaty of Versailles. He signed it in Versailles
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: with Macron. Which is an insane choice.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Wait a second.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Didn't they auto-pin it?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm learning this in real time. You're telling
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: me they signed this... Piece of paper in literal Versailles. Dude,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: he stayed an extra day just to go have dinner
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: in Versailles.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: He's like, it's real gold. And it's not even a
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: signing ceremony. It was just like, he decided to just
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: sign it in Versailles.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's like the 20th crazy thing about the text. Versailles.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I guess an administration official read all the text of
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: the MOU. You couldn't just copy paste? Because like Bloomberg
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: got it and then CNN got it, I think. But
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: then the administration, Stephen Chung, was like, they're just wrong.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: That's not the text. Dude, I got it from the
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: president of Iran's Twitter feed. And the real one ended
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: up being like a couple words were different, but not
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: by anything significant. So the Memorandum of Understanding, the MOU.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: The Treaty of Versailles. The MOU of Versailles.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: The MOU of Versailles, right, yeah.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: The memo calls for the suspension of the naval blockade
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: of Iran's ports and for Iran to use its best
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: efforts to allow traffic through the Strait of Hormuz without
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: tolls for 60 days. It calls for a permanent end
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: to war in Israel and Lebanon. Iran is allowed to
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: resume exporting oil. We'll get access to a $ 300 billion
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: redevelopment and reconstruction fund. The MOU creates a six-day window
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: for negotiations over Iran's nuclear program. Iran reaffirms its longstanding
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: commitment not to procure or develop nukes. So it's not
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: playing super well. You got your Bill Cassidy's, John Cornyn's,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: all the people who feel liberated now that Trump has
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: defeated them. They have been voicing some criticism. Other Republicans
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: are just sort of hiding.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Um so funny these guys he threw off a mountain
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and and then while you're rolling down towards your demise
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: over clip it's bad it's yeah actually i never liked.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: You the hawk the iran hawks are very mad you've
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: probably oh yeah you probably consumed a lot more of
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: uh mark levin content those ben shapiro's tears in there
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: i've been watching some fan clips i might have downloaded
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: a commentary podcast from john podhorst.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah he's got the daily wire open an incognito window.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: We have a clip of Trump talking about the MOU
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: of Versailles in France.
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: And it's a memorandum of understanding. If it doesn't get
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: done in 60 days, that's all right.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: We go back to bombing.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: Unlike Barack Hussein Obama, who sent Iran pallets of cash
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: and any relief they receive under this deal. They'll have
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: to get based on merit. And it won't be from us.
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: We don't have to give them anything. But some people
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: may want to invest. I said, well, what am I
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: going to do? Am I going to let Saudi Arabia
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: have missiles, but they can't have them?
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: Yes, sir.
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: Missiles aren't the problem. Missiles, they hurt a little location,
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: but they don't blow up the planet. And in all
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: fairness to Bibi Netanyahu, who happens to be a good man,
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: gets a little excited sometimes. We have a little dispute
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: over Lebanon. I say, you can do a little softer touch, baby.
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: You don't have to knock down a building every time
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: somebody walks into it that's from Hezbollah.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: That got me.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: That got me.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: And the other one, too, is that every time- That
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: was actually the best case.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: The other line was, you shoot a couple of missiles down,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: they don't hurt you, but it does hurt you. You're
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: knocking down a building in Beirut. It was like, imagine
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: the shit- Imagine the Democrats. A Democrat telling the shit
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: that we brought down on these people.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: And I'm sorry.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: The idea of that, the number of times these fucking-
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Anti-JCPOA people were like, this doesn't even address ballistic missiles,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: ballistic missiles, ballistic missiles.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: This is support for proxies.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: This is why the deal is so shameful. You're going
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: to give them money, but they're not addressing the core
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: problem of the ballistic missiles and Hezbollah and their proxies.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: And then Trump gives up completely and $ 300 billion is what?
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: twice three times four times as much as what was
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: ever contemplated but.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Also by the iran deal they got an immediate license
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: to sell oil and gas so they're gonna be making
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: money off of that then they're clearly planning to you
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: know they call it fees but it's they're gonna be
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: toll ships in the straight over moves iran's gonna make
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: so much money off of this i mean look big
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: picture the best outcome is the war being over so
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: like i'm happy that the original sin here is this
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: war starting and the best thing that come out of
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: this is that the fucking lindsey graham Foundation for the
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Defense of Democracy's neocon hawk worldview is smothered to death. Right.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: And that Trump hates these people and that he runs
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: them out of D.C. But they cleaned his clock in
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: this deal. And then just hearing him just on this
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: on this ballistic missile thing. Clearly, like the reason you
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: go to the core national security priority with Iran is.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: preventing them from getting a nuclear weapon, right? Like non-proliferation
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: is a good thing generally. I think the way you
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: do that is through negotiations, not bombing them. We did,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: you know, fuck up a lot of their infrastructure, but whatever,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: they can rebuild that. But to hear Trump from going
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: from these maximalist positions to being like, eh, who cares
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: about the nuclear dust? We got eyes on it. Maybe
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: we'll get it out. Maybe we won't. It's like head spinning.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: And then on the ballistic missiles, like remember when Rubio
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: went up to Capitol Hill and he did that press
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: conference where he blamed Israel and then ran away and
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: didn't talk to the press for two months. The core
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: argument they were making there is that Iran was on
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: the cusp of having a ballistic missile arsenal that would
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: make their nuclear weapons program like impregnable and we couldn't
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: go after.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: Oh, right. Right.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: And now Trump is like, eh. Who gives a fuck?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: They can have some ballistic missiles. It's no big deal.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: It's the Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, Ruby also is that this, our goal is
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: to stop them from their ability to project power in
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: the region. Ballistic missiles is how you project power. It
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: is the definition of their power in the region.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Having read the MOU this morning, the text, I was like,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: did we get anything from this?
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: No.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: The Strait. The Strait. The theoretical opening of the Strait
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: for 60 days. The theoretical opening of the Strait that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Iran and Oman are going to jointly control And can
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: charge fees whenever they want. And before the war, the
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Strait used to be open and controlled by no one
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: because it was international waters, right? And there were no tolls. So, like,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think we got anything. And the theory of
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the case on the nuclear negotiations is that your leverage
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: is military action and sanctions. And he just gave up
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: both of those in advance of the 60 days of
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: talks over the nuclear program. And he says like, oh,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: we can just go back to bombing them. But Iran
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: knows that as we get closer to the midterms, he's
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: not going to go back to bombing them. And he
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: shouldn't go back to bombing them. They're not going to
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: get bombed out of their nuclear know-how.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: We just unleashed a bombing campaign for weeks. It cost
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: us tens of billions of dollars. And the end result
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: is an unconditional surrender in Versailles. So I don't know
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: what additional bombs are going to do for anybody. The
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: other thing is, I don't know if you're going to
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: go to it, but you had Vance sort of brushing
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: back the– the Iran hawks, and specifically referring to pro-Israel
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Iran hawks saying Trump is the only leader on earth
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: that is sympathetic to Israel.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Point of view.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: And we're the leader of the world's superpower, which I'm
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: glad Van said that, right? It's like, look at what,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: for all these people that claim to be so pro-Israel, right?
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: That have turned AIPAC into this partisan weapon and that
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: have alienated Democrats, that have turned Israel into pariah state.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Do you feel good about where Israel is at now?
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Alone in the world, beholden on Donald Trump, a guy
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: that does not give a fuck what happens, who could
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: turn on a dime. Do you think this was a
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: long term great play? Now the Democratic Party is opposed
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: to the Netanyahu government. Israel has never been more unpopular
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: in its entire history. It's never been more isolated. You
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: guys feel good about where you landed? after all this,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: while calling everybody out there anti-Semites and anti-Israel? You think
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: the people that might have been saying that Benjamin Netanyahu
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: was terrible for Israel might have had a fucking point,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: rather than calling us all, what, self-hating Jews? Anyway, that's
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: a little point I wanted to make about that.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Very quickly, I want Democrats to just stand up and
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: support the JCPOA and say that it was better. Stop
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: all the fucking throat clearing about its flaws and what
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: was omitted. The JCPOA is better than what Trump may
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: eventually get here. Because with the JCPOA, Iran shipped out
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: 97% of its stockpile. It was out of the country
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: and went to Russia. In this case, we're talking about
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: down blending it to making it less usable for nuclear weapons.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: In the JCPOA, that went through the UN Security Council.
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: So this was dead sanctions into the backing of all
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: their closest allies, like the P five plus one, et cetera.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: This will have none of that. And now this $ 300
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: billion slush fund, like what are we doing here? You're
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: all these Gulf countries are now getting told they're on
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: the hook to rebuild Iran. When Iran was firing ballistic
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: missiles at them. Can we talk about, uh, before we
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: move on to this, you mentioned JD Vance. I want
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: to sort of ask a hacky political question, um, which
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: is I read in playbook this morning, I think that, um,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of J.D. Vance's opponents or detractors are trying
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: to hang this deal around his neck and say, that's J.D.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Vance's deal. And there's people from J.D. Vance's office that
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: basically pushed back and said, those people obviously can't read
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: a poll because this war is very unpopular. And the
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: idea that this is going to be bad for J.D.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Vance to be associated with this deal, this treaty, is
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: crazy because people don't want war anyway. And so it's
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: not going to be a real political risk for him
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: at all. What do you guys make of that? Because
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I think it brings up the question of how this
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: war and how it ended sort of plays out politically
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: or whether it even does, whether it has a lasting
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: political impact as we head towards the midterms and beyond that.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: I think on a substantive political level, no one is
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: going to remember the war by the time that voting
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: happens in November. And well, not in this November. I
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: think the question is about J.D. Vance's presidential race. So
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: by the time we get to, yeah, I think the
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: war will matter this November in a couple of ways
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: we can talk about. When it comes to the Republican
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: primary or the general election of 2020 of J.D. Vance,
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: I think anyone's going to remember it. I think the
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: damage of the war to J.D. Vance is I think
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: it has ensured that Donald Trump will be a very
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: unpopular president.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: When JD Vance is possibly trying to be the third
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: term of that very unpopular person. I think that is
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: bad for him.
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• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Speaking of Vance, he's been on a book tour about
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: his conversion to Catholicism. Tough timing, man. Tough timing. Yeah,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: it's really, this ruined the tour.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: He went to The View, went into the lion's den
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: on The View. They did a great job. I haven't
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: watched any of it. The questions were really good. You're
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: learning for the first time? Yeah, this clip will be
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: my first experience with J.D. on The View. So let's
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: take a look.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: Everybody knows that Americans are struggling.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: What is he spending all this money for?
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: Well, I got to defend the president on the hoax point.
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: What the president said is the idea that Republicans cause
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: the affordability problem.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Is a hoax.
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: He said he loves the inflation.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: What he said, Anna, what.
• 54:24
  Speaker 8: He said is that he loves the fact that the
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: inflation is going to come down when this war is over.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: That's what he said.
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: That's not what he said.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: That wasn't a duress.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: Wait, are you his interpreter or are you his vice president?
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: I believe, as a Christian, I can tell my kids
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: why it's important to have borders. I get that. There
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: are laws. There are resources. I get all that things.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: It's much harder to explain when I see someone dragged
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: out of a house or wrongly taken.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: To a thing that isn't a violent criminal.
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: That is.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: It's a little more nuanced as a parent to try
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: to say when someone's referred to as vermin or scum
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: when I teach them in school about people that have
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: done that before. But this is different. It's very hard
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: as a parent and a Christian to say both things.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: I would urge you as a Christian and as a
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: father to visit those detention centers where the children are
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: being held.
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: So you guys have thrown a lot at me and
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: I see we've got 30 seconds left here. But let
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: me say number one.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Sounds like that went well. What'd you guys think? Anyone
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: watch more of it? I watched a bunch of it.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: They did a great job. And what they did that
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I think we heard there was the questions weren't like
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: from a like a shitty liberal perspective. It was like
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: as a Christian, as a human being, how can you
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: as a parent like see what's happening at the Dilley
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Detention Center and be okay with that? And I think J.D.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Vance credits him, I guess, for going there.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: That's he's clearly trying to make an argument that he's
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: the kind of candidate that can build bridges and reach
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: new voters by going on the view.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Like that's like a thing you tell people you did.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: He answered the questions, but I don't think he did
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: a good job. And he also just cannot help but
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: sound like a whiny little bitch. He is the victim
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: of everything. Yeah.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: He also says Democrats are terrible at one point.
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: I do.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: It's just it's just not possible to be it's not
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: possible to fairly answer questions, defend Donald Trump. and Bill
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Day and sort of be tilting at any kind of
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: broader sort of a nonpartisan coalition. Like it's just that
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: those things, there's no talent on earth that could both
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: defend Donald Trump and pretend to be some kind of broader,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: more appealing figure.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: It just can't be done.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: And so I don't think he could do it, but
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think, I think there are people that are
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: far more talented than J.D. Vance that would make it
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: look a little bit easier.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: He's just so bad. He's terrible.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Like in those answers, like he thinks he's being smart
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: by basically just gaslighting about what it is Trump actually said.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: And he just doesn't– like there's a way– like defending
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump is an impossible task. It just– you cannot
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: do that and remain any sort of dignity or seriousness
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: as a human being.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: You just can't. But there's ways to do it with
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: more charm.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: Or humor yeah he just had he just has no
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: he just has no charisma yeah and i mean you
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: know and i think i think he goes on the
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: view and i think he was i think in his
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: mind maybe he wants to show that he can go
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: to this place i also think he wants to show
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: that he can go on the libs remember he went
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: on blue sky for like a hot minute to like
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: take people.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Well the you just referenced a little bit that he
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: calls democrats terrible people so he did that it was
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: gutfeld you're right because i saw that clip And I
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: realized that, yeah, his whole play was, I'll go on
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: The View, and then they'll beat me up, and then
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I'll go to the right-wing outlets, and I'll be like, oh,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I survived The View, and they were such assholes, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: And they didn't even beat him up, though. They were
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: very substantive. The way he said that, too, it was
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: such a... And the thing about Democrats... that I don't like.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: It's not the policies necessarily. It's that they're terrible people. Right.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: And they're not grateful to the country. He did the
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: grateful thing again.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Well, the thing that's even worse than that is he
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: couldn't stop himself. He started by saying, like, the thing
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: that bothers me about Democrats is it's not their policies.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: It's not this. It's that they're not.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I think the grateful thing, I think, in this context,
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: what he was trying to awkwardly do was that, like,
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: to try to suggest we run down America.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: But he knew he was on Fox.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: We couldn't just say... So he had to say, It
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: also bothers me that some of them are terrible people.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: He looks like an aside.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: It wasn't even some. It was just they're terrible people.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: They're terrible people. And I was like, that is a
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: wild thing. Does he think that he can just, I mean,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I know he's going to run in a primary here,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: but does he realize that kind of undermines the whole
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: softening your image effort?
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: He has no deafness. He has no deafness. I realize
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: he was on a book tour. It is crazy that
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Marco Rubio has just gone into witness protection. He's the
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: national security advisor and the secretary of state. He's, has
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: he done a single interview about the surrounding? There's a
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: picture of him over Trump when Trump's signing the treaty
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: in Versailles. And he looks like, did you guys watch
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: him behind Trump in the press conference? Shifting back and forth,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: like dead eyed. He looked like he'd taken like 6,000
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: pro V and hadn't slept in a month. Like just
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: looked miserable. Well, before we go, I do think we
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: should talk about briefly the reflecting pool. I guess that's
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the thing in the news now because the reflecting pool.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. Please correct me if I've.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Got this is important to me because i've been on
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: vacation for two weeks so in in my lat trying
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: to avoid learning something this is the thing that i
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: know very little about i'm excited to learn in a
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: very loving fashion explain it.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: To dan here's what i think um obviously trump decided
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: to paint the reflecting pool yes he did the american
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: flag blue um then they refilled how do you describe
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: the paint it was like thick rubber rubber rubber yeah
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: rubber robbing um and then and then he uh So
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: they painted it, they filled it up again, and then
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: it quickly turned green because of algae. And so then
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: there was a green reflecting pool after spending however much
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: he spent to make it blue. And then they just
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: quickly had parks people or interior people or whatever run
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: over there and start dumping– Hydrogen peroxide. Hydrogen peroxide or
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: chloride or whatever. Hydrogen peroxide, yeah. Just dumping it into
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: the reflecting pool as if this reflecting pool is quite large,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: as Donald Trump showed us on his chart. And just
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: doing a couple of buckets was not really going to
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: do anything. And then they had algae scoopers in there.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: They're getting the algae off the bottom. And then the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Department of Interior this morning decided to post a series
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: of tweets that was like, It's back, and they have
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: a picture of the water is blue again, which I
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: think is just a fake picture. And they said, and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: the algae is gone from the– the algae is now
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  Speaker 1: just at the bottom of the reflecting pool, just like
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: the Iranian Navy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't say that.
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  Speaker 2: The Department of Interior. The Department of Interior, which in
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: a previous era might have posted a picture of, say,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Zion National Park. Yeah. Boy, check out Zion National Park.
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  Speaker 2: We think everybody's going to love it. They're like, you
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: fucking cuck bitches. This thing is blue now. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: So they drained the pool. They painted it a darker color,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: but a bluer color, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: They claim because, oh, you know, Obama and Biden, they
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: didn't have the stuff to fix the repair. They couldn't
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: get it done. But as we all complained about for years,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: it was a big thing we really cared about. So
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: they're going to do it. They're going to fix it.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: And then- The algae comes back.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe because Donald Trump isn't magic. It is an
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: eight acre short fucking swamp painted black in the middle
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: of one of the like in the middle of a swamp.
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  Speaker 1: And there's algae. And maybe maybe the paint color American
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: flag blue doesn't have magical properties that get rid of algae.
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  Speaker 1: I regret to say that I read a long Washington
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Post article about this because there's all this like drainage
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: and filtration infrastructure that they didn't actually choose to fix.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: And that's the core problem. Well, so just painted it.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: So the other part of this is a perfect metaphor
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  Speaker 1: for the entire fucking.
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  Speaker 3: So you're going to drain the swamp, if you will.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But so, of course, the algae goes back.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the Interior Department then puts out a statement saying, actually,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: this is residual algae. And it's like, hey, it's not.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: We don't believe in spontaneous creation of life anymore. We're
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: not Lamarckians or whatever it was. Who are the fucking people?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's evolving quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Who's the ones that thought the maggots became the that
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: maggots spontaneously arise?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Thank you, Reed. How do you know this, Reed?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Because we didn't have sports. Nobody invited us to flip cups,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: so we learned about these things.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: But so.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's always residual algae. That's where the algae
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: fucking comes from. Now, they did... Now, hydrogen peroxide can
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: shock a pool.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: However, the percent... A pool.
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  Speaker 5: A pool.
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  Speaker 2: The kind they were using, the 12%, that's for a
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: hot tub. This is a 7 million gallon tank. You
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: would need... At least 5,000 to 7,000 gallons of this stuff.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: And that's just to get it clean for a week.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: And then they're like, well, the new nano rubber tubes
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: are going to work. It's like there is runoff because
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: this is a park in the middle of a city
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: that there's like from the Potomac and all the rest.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: So the algae is just going to keep coming back.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: And it is a great metaphor for Donald Trump thinking–
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: for people thinking the only problem has been that our
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: leaders were stupid or didn't care or didn't break enough rules.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump does something cheap and easy that he thinks
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: is a magic solution. It's not. And then he pretends
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: it is anyway.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: And newsflash, Donald Trump Jr. now owns a hydrogen peroxide company.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Did you guys see like the Newsmax guy who is
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: down at the reflecting pool? doing interviews suggesting that the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Democrats had sabotaged it.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, sabotage is everywhere. Everyone thinks we've been pouring phosphates.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: We've been fertilizing the fuck.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: And then Jesse Waters sent his baby dork goon down
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: there to be like, well, at least our president cared
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: enough to fix it and try. What are we doing here?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: What do you guys care about this? The Washington Post
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: did report, by the way, that the ballroom that they
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: found an invoice to a contractor for like $ 600 million
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: and that half of it was going to be taxpayer money.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: And so they've been lying the whole time. And then
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Notice reported, I believe, that they found out that OMB
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: has been moving money from the Secret Service budget into
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Purdue because they couldn't get it passed through Congress. So look,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: we are paying for the ballroom after all. Well, famously,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Secret Service has had a great run recently. So they
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: have more resources. They had some loose change.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: So that's happened.
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  Speaker 2: You used that money to buy a couple pairs of binoculars, boys.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Well, we started very inspiring and we ended up with
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: algae in the pool. It's a tale for our times.
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  Speaker 1: This has been fun, guys. Everyone have a great weekend.
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  Speaker 1: That's our show for today. Alex Wagner will be back
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: in the feed on Sunday with a conversation with historian
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: and Substack Titan, Heather Cox Richardson. And thanks to the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Obama Library for letting us in here. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Let's go find our book somewhere.
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