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In break with Trump, Israel rejects 15-point Gaza peace plan · THE DAILY BRIEF

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  Speaker 1: Is ready Prime Minister Benjamin Netanya, who has rejected the
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  Speaker 1: Gaza peace Plan, which the United States backs, and the
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  Speaker 1: militant group Hamas has accepted. The Board of Peace led
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  Speaker 1: by US President Trump put forward the plan proposing that
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  Speaker 1: Israel withdrawal from Gaza as Hamas disarms, but the warding
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  Speaker 1: is apparently not strong enough for Yahu.
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  Speaker 2: Israel rejects the fifteen point plan. I heard people say,
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  Speaker 2: you didn't say, we said, but here I'm saying it again.
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  Speaker 2: Israel rejects the fifteen point plan. The IDF will not
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  Speaker 2: carry out any withdrawal until Hamas is disarmed. And when
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  Speaker 2: I say disarming Hamas, it means the heavy weapons, the
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  Speaker 2: less heavy weapons, and the light weapons, all the weapons.
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  Speaker 2: And we are talking about real disarmament, not a fictitious disarmament.
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  Speaker 3: People.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get more on this from DA correspondent Tanya Kramar
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  Speaker 1: in Jerusalem, Tanya Netanyahu. They're saying, no, why is he
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  Speaker 1: saying this now?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't really come as a surprise, but I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Netanyahu didn't really comment. Immediately after US President Donald Trump
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  Speaker 4: announced this road map that would have seen a faced
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  Speaker 4: disarmament combined with the face withdrawal of the Israeli military
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  Speaker 4: from Gaza, but Israeli officials had already voiced their reservations
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  Speaker 4: in recent weeks. Now, he spoke today at the beginning
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  Speaker 4: of the government's meeting to counter what he said was
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  Speaker 4: the wave of rumors about Israeli withdrawals, Israeli weakness. He
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  Speaker 4: was referring there to Libanon, Iran, but also to Gaza,
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  Speaker 4: and that was a very strong rejection what he said today,
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  Speaker 4: because you know, Israel is currently occupying between sixty to
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  Speaker 4: seventy percent of Gaza, and it's holding this so called
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  Speaker 4: yellow line which divides the Gaza Strip from the north
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  Speaker 4: to the south. And that has been important because Hamas
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  Speaker 4: also made their disarmament, you know, dependent on the Israeli withdrawal.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, with this no today by the.
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  Speaker 4: Israeli Prime Minister, that seems that at least this road
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  Speaker 4: map that still also needed to be worked out, it
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  Speaker 4: was not really as set as of yet. It seems
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  Speaker 4: to be really put on hold for the time being,
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  Speaker 4: and that also means, you know, for the people of Gaza,
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  Speaker 4: that this process remains stuck. It's a part of the
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  Speaker 4: seasefire process that started with the seas FI in October
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, but Israel has continued to carry out
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  Speaker 4: air strikes since then. Over one thy two hundred people
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  Speaker 4: in Gaza were killed in this period, and it also means,
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  Speaker 4: you know, everything related to the situation in Gaza, the
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  Speaker 4: humanitarian situation is also you know, dependent on these political developments,
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  Speaker 4: for example, the reconstruction that is part also.
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  Speaker 3: Of this plan. So for the people in Gaza, this
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  Speaker 3: is really bad news.
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  Speaker 1: But isn't Prime Minister Natanna who worried about angering Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump considering the US is Israel's biggest ally.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think he has to walk here a very
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  Speaker 4: fine line. And obviously we don't know yet what President
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  Speaker 4: Trump will say now, how we will react to this
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  Speaker 4: latest rejection. I think that Prime Minister and Nitaanya, who
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  Speaker 4: will you know, don't want to be a pair as
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  Speaker 4: an obstacle. But he's clearly talking to his own constituency here.
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  Speaker 4: He's clearly saying, and he said that also in this
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  Speaker 4: statement today, that Israel continues to talk to the Americans
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  Speaker 4: about their ideas, as he put it, and some are
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  Speaker 4: acceptable to Israel, some are not. But he said that
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  Speaker 4: Israel will stand firm, you know, making a point that
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  Speaker 4: it's Israel who will make these decisions. At the same time,
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  Speaker 4: he is in a tough spot, you know, between you know,
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  Speaker 4: the upcoming elections soon, but he always has held this stance,
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  Speaker 4: but at the same time not to anger President Trump,
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  Speaker 4: who will have to wait and see what he has
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  Speaker 4: to say about that.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting, I mean, the elections coming up, You're saying
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  Speaker 1: that he's playing into that thought of the constituents. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just wondering if that sort of top of the line
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  Speaker 1: for him, for Natiya who is that something that I
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  Speaker 1: guess shapes the way he frames everything he does right now.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, he has always held this hard line,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, I think there's a consensus when it
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  Speaker 4: comes to Gaza that within the government, but even within
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  Speaker 4: most of the opposition, that there shouldn't be any concessions
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  Speaker 4: given to Gaza or in this case to Hamas. He
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  Speaker 4: was criticized Netta Yahu, you know, because he has always
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  Speaker 4: one of his stated war goals towards to remove Hamas
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  Speaker 4: from power.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't succeed in that.
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  Speaker 4: Hamas is still controlling its parts of Gaza. But certainly
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  Speaker 4: everything right now is seen through the lens of the
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  Speaker 4: upcoming elections, and I think he wants to make a
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  Speaker 4: point that he is in charge. But obviously there's also
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  Speaker 4: some skepticism here in Israel among you know people here saying,
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  Speaker 4: you know, how he will navigate this with you know,
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  Speaker 4: the US President Trump, and how much he can actually
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  Speaker 4: go against him.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Tony Kramar in Jerusalem, thank you for your reporting.
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  Speaker 3: And joinmy now.
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  Speaker 1: Is doctor Mustafa Baguti, a physician, former Palestinian Information Minister
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  Speaker 1: and secretary journal of the Palestinian National Initiative, which presents
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  Speaker 1: itself as a democratic alternative to both Fatah and Hamas.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Vaguti, it's good to have you with us. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to d W News. What's your reaction to this news. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's expected.
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  Speaker 5: We did expect it because not anyhow, never respected any agreement.
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  Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, he did not respect the
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  Speaker 5: first phase of this agreement, which he accepted unsigned before.
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  Speaker 5: He did not stop the bombardment of Gaza, as your
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  Speaker 5: reporter said. He never allowed the humanitarian aid into Gaza
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  Speaker 5: as he should have. He never allowed freedom of movement
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  Speaker 5: through Rafa, and he never allowed the peacekeeping force to
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  Speaker 5: get into Gaza. And he did not allow the National
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  Speaker 5: Committee which to should take over the governance of Gaza
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  Speaker 5: from hamas he never allowed them to come to Gaza.
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  Speaker 5: So he violated all these issues. And now he is
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  Speaker 5: declaring bluntly and in the most horrible way that he's
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  Speaker 5: rejecting the whole peace plan that President Trump accepted and
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  Speaker 5: actually was proud about, and he mentioned it as one
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  Speaker 5: of his achievements. Now he's rejecting it. And that shows
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  Speaker 5: you that he's putting President Trump in front of a challenge.
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  Speaker 5: So will the administration in the United States respond now
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  Speaker 5: or not? It is now the duty of President Trump,
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  Speaker 5: in my opinion, to force Natanio to accept the agreement.
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  Speaker 5: If he doesn't, he will provide Israel with yet another
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  Speaker 5: a chance of total impunity, not only in front of
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  Speaker 5: international law which Israel keeps violating, but also in front
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  Speaker 5: even of the agreement that Natanio and this government has
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  Speaker 5: already designed.
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  Speaker 3: So this is very serious.
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  Speaker 5: And let me add to that that Natanio also challenged
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  Speaker 5: all the countries of the world, especially Eastern European countries
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  Speaker 5: who keep talking about two states solutions, by declaring in
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  Speaker 5: the same statement that he will never allow a Palestinian
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  Speaker 5: state not in Gaza, not in the West Bank, not
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  Speaker 5: anywhere in Palestine, and that also puts the whole international
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  Speaker 5: community in front of a challenge. Will they keep just
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  Speaker 5: issuing statements or will they take sanction activities and sanctioned
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  Speaker 5: actions against Israeli's violation of international law and Duan resolutions.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering about the Gazans, how will they
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  Speaker 1: take this?
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  Speaker 5: Well, of course, in a very negative way, the situation
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  Speaker 5: in Gaza is wearable. I've just been receiving reports, as
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  Speaker 5: a medical doctor from Gaza of no less than sixty
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  Speaker 5: thousand cases of chicken pox now spreading goal over Gaza,
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  Speaker 5: especially affecting young children and especially infants, who still have
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  Speaker 5: no ability to resist his disease, and that is causing death,
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  Speaker 5: causing problems. We've already had seventy three thousand cases of
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  Speaker 5: infectious sypathitis because of lack of clean water. There are
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  Speaker 5: twenty thousand people who could die simply because there is
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  Speaker 5: no treatment for them, whether we are talking about seriously
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  Speaker 5: injured people or people who have cancer or strong or
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  Speaker 5: difficult chronnective diseases. So the situation is horrible. And we
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  Speaker 5: also began receiving reports from you organizations that there is
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  Speaker 5: a beginning of starvation in Gaza. So yes, of course
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  Speaker 5: the situation is horrible. Don't forget that eighty two percent
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  Speaker 5: of all homes in Gus are destroyed and according to
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  Speaker 5: the most recent report of United Nations, nine percent of
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  Speaker 5: the homes and Gus were destroyed since the Cisfire agreement
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  Speaker 5: was declared. So it's continuous suffering, horrible situation and the
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  Speaker 5: re where's immediate attention and in attention by Celia's pressure
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  Speaker 5: in Israel to stop this terrible genocide.
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  Speaker 1: Just recently promised to Natina, who and Donald Trump met
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  Speaker 1: in Washington, I guess on the sidelines of Lindsay Graham's funeral.
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  Speaker 1: Just in light of that, do you think you said
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  Speaker 1: you were not surprised by Natana's action? Now, but do
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  Speaker 1: you think Donald Trump would be surprised? How do you
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  Speaker 1: think he will react to this?
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  Speaker 5: We'll see. We can't anticipate what he will do. But
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  Speaker 5: he's really in front of a very big challenge here
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  Speaker 5: because from one side, he's loyal to Israel. We know that,
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  Speaker 5: we know he has supported Natanie all the way during
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  Speaker 5: this terrible war. But on the other hand, this puts
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  Speaker 5: the reputation not only of President Trump, but the whole
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  Speaker 5: so called Board of Peace at stake. It means Natanie,
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  Speaker 5: how does ten nays back to all of them, not
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  Speaker 5: just Trump, all these countries that have contributed to the
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  Speaker 5: so called Board of Peace. So yes, it's a big
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  Speaker 5: challenge and the only thing I mean to save his reputation.
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  Speaker 5: The only thing that President Trump could do is to immediate,
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  Speaker 5: immediately pressure Notanielle to retreat. I'm not sure he will
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  Speaker 5: do that, and if he doesn't, it will be yet
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  Speaker 5: another decline of President Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Donald Trump's plan calls for gradual Israeli withdrawal from
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  Speaker 1: Gaza as Hamas gradually disarms and insist on a fall
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  Speaker 1: what he calls genuine disarmament first before withdraw just wanting
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  Speaker 1: given the events of October seven, is that not a
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  Speaker 1: reasonable position to hold?
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  Speaker 5: No, of course not. Why nobody talks about disarming Israel
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  Speaker 5: on the borders, at least with Gaza. Why it is
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  Speaker 5: only Palestinians who have while Israel is the one that
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  Speaker 5: has killed and injured quarter of a million Palestinians in
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  Speaker 5: Gaza twelve percent of the population. Apply it to any country,
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  Speaker 5: Apply it to the United States, you would be talking
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  Speaker 5: about thirty six million people killed or injured if you
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  Speaker 5: use the same ratio. So all the blame is on
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  Speaker 5: the Palestinian side. Nobody's blaming Israel for occupying West Bank
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  Speaker 5: and Gaza for more than fifty seven years. Nobody's blaming
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  Speaker 5: Israel for conducting ethnic cleansing in nineteen forty eight, displacing
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  Speaker 5: seventy percent of the Palestinian population. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 5: the most recent statements of Natiniao mean one thing is
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  Speaker 5: that Israel and Israeli government has only one plan, which
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  Speaker 5: was declared openly and clearly by the Minister of Army
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  Speaker 5: and Israel, mister Katz, which is that their main goal
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  Speaker 5: is ethnic cleansing of Gaza and they will not stop.
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  Speaker 5: So what they have declared is continuous for till they
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  Speaker 5: achieve ethnic cleansing. Of course, they are unable to achieve
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  Speaker 5: it so far because of the state fastest of Palestinians.
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  Speaker 5: But this is risky. We could see half a million
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  Speaker 5: people killed or injured if this continues.
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  Speaker 1: But what would a genuine disarmament look like for Hamas.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, if you think they're genuinely ready to
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  Speaker 1: disarm yes they.
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  Speaker 5: Are, and that's what they declared. That's why they agreed
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  Speaker 5: with this agreement. They didn't depart from the proposals of
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  Speaker 5: mister Trump, of President Trump. So how could you blame
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  Speaker 5: them if they are ready to give up their governance,
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  Speaker 5: if they are ready to transfer powers, if they are
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  Speaker 5: ready to disarm. If they are ready to but also
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  Speaker 5: they are requiring the implementation of the other parts of
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  Speaker 5: the agreement, which includes Israeli withdraw And why should the
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  Speaker 5: Israeli are mistay inside Gaza? Why should Israeli are mistake
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  Speaker 5: They are destroying more houses and depriving people of clean water,
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  Speaker 5: depriving people of humanitarian assistance. I think anybody who believes
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  Speaker 5: in humanity should demand that the Israeli army should withdraw
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  Speaker 5: to the border, and maybe they should disarm around the borders,
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  Speaker 5: because we have no protection from their bombardment. And by
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  Speaker 5: the way, not only in Gaza, but also here in
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  Speaker 5: the West Bank, where we are subjected to thirty attacks
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  Speaker 5: by Israeli terrorist settlers who are armed by the Israeli army,
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  Speaker 5: attacking civilian population which has no arms to defend itself.
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  Speaker 5: In the West Bank, there is no hamas, there are
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  Speaker 5: no arms, and yet we are attacked every day, thirty
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  Speaker 5: times by the Israeli terrorist gangs protected by the Israeli army.
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  Speaker 5: We are subjected to Israeli army envision every day. Who's
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  Speaker 5: going to protect us? Where is international law?
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  Speaker 1: That's a stuff, Baguti, Thank you very much for giving
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  Speaker 1: us your thoughts on this.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you