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Speaker 1: Mine from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Kenny Report. I'm Cali Marcus filling in
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Speaker 2: for Chris Kenny. Coming up tonight, Anthony Albanesi tip to
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Speaker 2: unveil a new strategy to combat do hatred and it's
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Speaker 2: expected to include some of the recommendations out of our
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Speaker 2: Sky News Anti Semitism summit, More US tariff pain on
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Speaker 2: the way for Australia as our diplomatic train wreck of
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Speaker 2: a Prime Minister prepares instead to head off to China
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Speaker 2: and King Charles's bloodshot I sparks new health concerns at
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Speaker 2: a key state visit. But first, an Australian court is
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Speaker 2: set to hear an appeal of a landmark decision in
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Speaker 2: which a judge astonishingly ruled sex is changeable. Justice Robert
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Speaker 2: Bromwich made the finding in the Federal Court last year
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Speaker 2: when ruling in favor of transgender activist Roxane Tickle, a
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Speaker 2: biological male. Tickle had brought a discrimination case against Sal Grover,
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Speaker 2: the creator of the Giggle for Girls app for women.
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Speaker 2: Roxy Tickle was born a man but now identifies as
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Speaker 2: a woman. But when Roxy joined the female only app
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Speaker 2: Giggle for girls.
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Speaker 3: She got barred. It raised the question what's it mean
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Speaker 3: to be female?
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Speaker 2: The judgment, ultimately in favor of the activist, was hugely
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Speaker 2: significant for women's rights. Why because for the first time
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Speaker 2: an Australian court had found a biological male could not
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Speaker 2: legally be excluded from a space created just for women.
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Speaker 4: I brought my case to show trans people that you
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Speaker 4: can be brave and that you can stand up for yourself.
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Speaker 2: It was the first time discrimination on the basis of
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Speaker 2: gender identity had been legally tested since former Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Julia Gillard changed the Sex Discrimination Act to replace the
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Speaker 2: biological definition of woman with gender identity.
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Speaker 3: That's right.
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Speaker 2: Our first female prime Minister was the one who evidently
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Speaker 2: didn't know what a woman is, and she accused Tony
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Speaker 2: Abbott of sexism. I will not be lectured about sexism
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Speaker 2: and misogyny by this man.
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Speaker 5: I will not.
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Speaker 2: It was Gillard's change to the Act that set the
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Speaker 2: scene for last year's legal showdown. Tickle had been accepted
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Speaker 2: as a member of the app in twenty twenty one
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Speaker 2: after uploading a selfie that was verified by an AI
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Speaker 2: tool used by the platform. The app was meant to
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Speaker 2: be a safe online space for by logical females, a
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Speaker 2: place women didn't risk having to cop harassment or heaven forbid,
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Speaker 2: Dick picks Hey.
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Speaker 3: The clue is in the name Giggle for Girls.
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Speaker 2: But after creating the app, Grover says she was flooded
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Speaker 2: with thousands of applications from biological males trying to infiltrate it.
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Speaker 2: Tickle managed to slip through thanks to artificial intelligence, but
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Speaker 2: after Grover personally reviewed Tickles selfie, she blocked the activist.
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Speaker 2: In September, Justice from Which found Groverer had indirectly discriminated
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Speaker 2: against Tickle, ordering her to pay damages of ten thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars plus legal costs. Judge found is that this thirty
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Speaker 2: years of legal precedent legal cases which have found that
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Speaker 2: woman includes trans women. The judgment not only set a
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Speaker 2: new legal precedent in Australia, it sent shock waves of
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Speaker 2: the world. It also garnered Grover the support of the
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Speaker 2: world's most famous warrior for women's sex base rights, Harry Potter.
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Speaker 3: Author JK. Rowling.
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Speaker 2: Rowling tweeted, one day and I hope in the not
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Speaker 2: too distant future will meet sal In the meantime, total solidarity.
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Speaker 2: Now the Full Court of the Federal Court has agreed
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Speaker 2: to hear Grover's appeal to overturn.
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Speaker 3: This ruling over four days next month.
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Speaker 2: The appeal is on the grounds the judge failed to
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Speaker 2: consider the broader context of the Act, arguing the app's
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Speaker 2: female only policy was a special measure intended to address
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Speaker 2: the unique disadvantages paced by women in digital spaces and
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Speaker 2: thus should not.
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Speaker 3: Be considered discriminatory.
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Speaker 2: While much of Roxane Tikle's legal work was done pro bono,
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Speaker 2: Grover had to crowdfund hers. She's now looking at legal
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Speaker 2: costs of one point five million dollars double that if
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Speaker 2: her appeal fails and she takes it all the way
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Speaker 2: to the High Court. News of the appeal comes as
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Speaker 2: it was revealed today convicted double murderer Terry Mark donny
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Speaker 2: had applied to transfer to a women's prison after identifying
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Speaker 2: as female. Donn Ie now goes by the name Mackenzie
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Speaker 2: and wants to serve the remaining twenty four years of
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Speaker 2: his sentence for the brutal slaying of a friend's adoptive
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Speaker 2: parents in a women's correctional center. It's total insanity, but
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Speaker 2: that's where we are with a debate about women's spaces
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Speaker 2: back to Grover's case, and she's not the only Australian
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Speaker 2: fighting for women's spaces. Political advocate Kierlee Smith is currently
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Speaker 2: awaiting judgment set down for two weeks time over two
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Speaker 2: discrimination cases brought by trans soccer players Riley Dennis of
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Speaker 2: the Sydney team Flying Bats and a player from another
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Speaker 2: team we can't name for legal reasons for saying they
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Speaker 2: should not be able to play in women's sports teams.
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Speaker 3: No one can change sex. Men are not women and
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Speaker 3: no man should be in women's sport, but.
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Speaker 2: Attempts by media outlets like ours to bring these cases
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Speaker 2: to the public can be met with interference. Riley Dennis
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Speaker 2: was shielded from our cameras by members of the Bikes
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Speaker 2: on Dikes and we were accused by her supporters of
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Speaker 2: intimidation and harassment.
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Speaker 6: This intimidation and harassment get out of our way.
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Speaker 3: This is limitation harassment.
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Speaker 2: Australians women especially deserve to know when there are cases
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Speaker 2: that could have a wide reaching impact on our rights,
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Speaker 2: especially since other countries around the world have shifted significantly
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Speaker 2: on this issue since sal Grover's judgment was handed down
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Speaker 2: in April, the UK Supreme Court ruled the meaning of
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Speaker 2: women for the purposes of discriminating legislation is confined to
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Speaker 2: biological females, and US President Donald Trump signed a number
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Speaker 2: of executive orders after his inauguration recognizing women as biological
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Speaker 2: females and sex as a mutable Australia, it's now over
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Speaker 2: to you, and I'll be speaking to Sal Grover later
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Speaker 2: in the show. Anthony Albanesi has spent the past few
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Speaker 2: weeks downplaying concerns over his failure to secure a meeting
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Speaker 2: with Donald Trump over looming tariffs. Now the risks that
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Speaker 2: failure presents have become even greater. Trump today threatened to
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Speaker 2: impose sweeping tariffs of up to two hundred percent on
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Speaker 2: pharmaceutical products made outside the US.
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Speaker 7: We'll be announcing something very soon on pharmaceuticals. We're going
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Speaker 7: to give people about a year a year and a
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Speaker 7: half to come in and after that they're going to
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Speaker 7: be tariffed. If they have to bring the pharmaceuticals into
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Speaker 7: the country, the drugs and other things into the country,
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Speaker 7: they're going to be tariffed at a very very high rate,
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Speaker 7: like two hundred percent. We'll give them a certain period
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Speaker 7: of time to get their act together.
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Speaker 2: Australia is a significant exporter of pharmaceuticals to the US.
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Speaker 2: They're in our top five exports and valued it more
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Speaker 2: than two billion dollars last year.
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Speaker 3: So make no mistake, the risk is serious.
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Speaker 2: As a panic sounding Treasurer Jim Chalmers was forced to.
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Speaker 4: Admit, they're obviously very concerning developments. We are talking about
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Speaker 4: billions of dollars of exports to the US when it
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Speaker 4: comes to pharmaceuticals.
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Speaker 2: And drug manufacturers aren't the only exporters in Trump's sites.
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Speaker 2: Copper is another industry facing hefty tariffs, this time up
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Speaker 2: to fifty percent.
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Speaker 7: We did a luminum fifty percent. Lumber just came out,
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Speaker 7: weren't you that's copper, And we did cars, cars, and
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Speaker 7: now today we're doing copper copper. I believe the tariff
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Speaker 7: and capital we're going to make it.
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Speaker 2: At least in this case, the US Council less than
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Speaker 2: one percent of our copper exports. But all this only
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Speaker 2: serves to further highlight how desperate our lack of a
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Speaker 2: relationship with the Trump administration has become. The UK and
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Speaker 2: Canada have already managed to secure tariff exemptions after negotiations
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Speaker 2: with the US and commitments to significantly lift their defense spending.
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Speaker 2: So far, our government has piagheadedly refused to listen to
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Speaker 2: America's please to lift ours. The sticking point over medicines
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Speaker 2: will be our pharmaceutical Benefit scheme. The scheme demands drug
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Speaker 2: companies negotiate a price with the government so consumers can
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Speaker 2: receive a subsidy for their medicines. The US pharmaceutical lobby
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Speaker 2: has urged the Trump administration to slap tariffs on our
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Speaker 2: exports in retaliation for this. Now the federal government refuses
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Speaker 2: to budge on that, after all, would mean more expensive
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Speaker 2: medications for Australians.
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Speaker 4: Our pharmaceutical benefit scheme is not something that willing, We're
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Speaker 4: willing to trade away or do deals on that won't change.
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Speaker 2: From a trade advisor to President Trump, Kelly an Shaw
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Speaker 2: warns Sky News, though there'll be little wiggle room on
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Speaker 2: pharmaceuticals as far as the president is concerned.
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Speaker 8: It's very clear that the administration is going after any
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Speaker 8: types of policies in any sectors that have long irked
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Speaker 8: either US exporters or have been viewed as discriminatory and
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Speaker 8: disadvantage disadvantageous to the United States.
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Speaker 2: So, if not the PBS and if not defense spending,
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Speaker 2: what will the Australian government be able to offer the
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Speaker 2: US for a better deal. The first step will be
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Speaker 2: actually getting a meeting and then going from there. Let's
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Speaker 2: see when and if that can happen.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: Last night, former Prime Minister Tony Abbott articulated what so
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Speaker 2: many of us are thinking. With Albanesi's China charm offensive
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Speaker 2: kicking off on Saturday and his evasiveness at every turn
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Speaker 2: on Trump, whose side is he actually on?
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Speaker 3: Here? He was on Kredlin last night.
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Speaker 9: It's hard to know whose side this government is on.
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Speaker 9: Is the Albanesi government more on the side of communist
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Speaker 9: China or is it more on the side of the
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Speaker 9: country that's been the leader of the free world all
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Speaker 9: these decades.
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Speaker 2: And here was a cow towing albow yesterday trying to
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Speaker 2: justify his skewed priorities.
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Speaker 10: I look forward to going to Shanghai, Beijing and Qingdu,
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Speaker 10: which I will visit from Saturday.
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Speaker 11: China is an.
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Speaker 10: Important trading partner for Australia. Twenty five percent of our
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Speaker 10: experts go to China.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Pauline Hansen One Nation leader. Pauline,
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Speaker 2: always great.
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Speaker 3: To see you. What in the world is the PM
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Speaker 3: doing here?
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Speaker 12: Well, look at these pasts, Caroline. He was very much
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Speaker 12: closely aligned with the Communist Party when in his younger days.
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Speaker 12: I don't believe he's changed that at all. And he
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Speaker 12: talks about we will decide what's the best for our country,
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Speaker 12: even if you're defense spending, you know, just over two
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Speaker 12: percent at the moment, and Cause America is saying put
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Speaker 12: it up to three three and a half percent, and
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Speaker 12: NATO are saying five percent. I think five percent is
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Speaker 12: much for our economy to actually handle. But he's not
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Speaker 12: even talking about it negotiating, says, we will do what
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Speaker 12: we think is best for our country, for our own sovereignty,
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Speaker 12: well in our national interests. It is in our interest
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Speaker 12: to look at improving our defense spending. It's only fifty
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Speaker 12: seven billion at the moment. He thinks, oh, that's not
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Speaker 12: much at all. If people understand understood how much it is,
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Speaker 12: you know, for warships, submarines, defense spending is not very
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Speaker 12: much at all. So and to go over to China,
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Speaker 12: he has the closest association with Shingping, and I also
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Speaker 12: say he is shocked and embarrassed that he hasn't been
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Speaker 12: able to have a conversation with Donald Trump or to
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Speaker 12: actually meet with him. Now this is going to be
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Speaker 12: his fourth visit and going over to China, so that
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Speaker 12: tells you something about his association with China, and even
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Speaker 12: Rudd had it, or you know, there's this labor association
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Speaker 12: with it, and any ridicules the Coalition or anyone else.
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Speaker 12: He's not the right man mading right decisions at the
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Speaker 12: moment that we need, especially when we see China is
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Speaker 12: growing bigger all the time in their military, in their trade,
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Speaker 12: control of this area of the world. They've gone to
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Speaker 12: the Solomon's, They've done a deal with them. I don't
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Speaker 12: trust the Chinese and they want to get their hands
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Speaker 12: on our country, but it only that in the AI.
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Speaker 12: So if the Albanezi government is trying to get land
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Speaker 12: bridge up at the Port of Darwin, I hope they
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Speaker 12: don't do a dear to allow China into Australia to
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Speaker 12: do with anything to do with our communications, because what
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Speaker 12: I've even heard they don't trust them anyway. Because any
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Speaker 12: Chinese workers have the Parliament House, they are followed around
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Speaker 12: by security because they don't even trust them even in
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Speaker 12: Parliament House.
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Speaker 3: So I don't trust the Chinese.
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Speaker 12: What they want to do or chief or what they
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Speaker 12: want to get out of Australia. And I don't trust
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Speaker 12: our Prime minister.
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Speaker 2: Oh but fear not, pull in, fear not. I know
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Speaker 2: you say, don't trust them. But apparently we can all
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Speaker 2: rest easy about this China trip because we hear today
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Speaker 2: that Jim Chalmers has pre warned Beijing there will be
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Speaker 2: no relaxing of foreign investment rules.
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Speaker 3: Is that that your mind? It is.
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Speaker 12: Not in the slightest everything they've told us all through
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Speaker 12: the election, all this rehetric, all the promises, all the
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Speaker 12: scare mongering. I wouldn't trust both of those men to
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Speaker 12: even lie.
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Speaker 3: Straight in bed.
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Speaker 12: And that's how I feel about them. They haven't got
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Speaker 12: my trust or belief in them at all. Well, meanwhile,
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Speaker 12: it was panicste in Labor today. The Albanese government is
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Speaker 12: urgently seeking details on Trump's threat to slap tariffs of
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Speaker 12: two hundred percent on pharmaceuticals and fifty percent on copper.
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Speaker 12: As I talked about at the top of the show,
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Speaker 12: here was Trump on that I'm going to.
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Speaker 7: Give people about a year a year and a half
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Speaker 7: to come in and after that they're going to be tariffed.
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Speaker 7: If they have to bring the pharmaceuticals into the country,
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Speaker 7: the drugs and other things into the country. They're going
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Speaker 7: to be tariffed at a very very high rate, like
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Speaker 7: two hundred percent. We'll give them a certain period of
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Speaker 7: time to get their act together.
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Speaker 2: Pauline Jim Charm has seemed seriously spooked by this today.
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Speaker 2: But this is exactly what happens when you don't manage
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Speaker 2: key diplomatic relationships, isn't.
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Speaker 3: It It is?
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Speaker 12: That's true, and two hundred percent is hell of a cost.
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Speaker 12: But that cost is actually a tariff, is a is
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Speaker 12: a tax put on that product going into the country.
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Speaker 12: So then what happens is the people who buy that product,
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Speaker 12: that are strained product are going to pay Bee pay
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Speaker 12: more for it. Now, remember the strand dollar is sixty
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Speaker 12: five cents to the American dollar. Will I say that
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Speaker 12: we only get sixty five cents per American dollar, so
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Speaker 12: the exchange rate is in their favor if they're buying
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Speaker 12: anything that is Australian caroline. Right from the beginning in
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Speaker 12: nineteen ninety six, when I delivered my maiden speech, I
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Speaker 12: question the tariffs. Tariffs have destroyed our own industries and
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Speaker 12: manufacturing in this country. We've allowed for cheap products to
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Speaker 12: come in from overseas. We sell them the raw materials
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Speaker 12: and we're buying back the finished product. That's why the
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Speaker 12: high trade that we have with China. We're selling them
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Speaker 12: all the product that we need, don't We don't have
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Speaker 12: industries and manufacturing anymore that we used to make the
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Speaker 12: white goods and cars and steel everything in this country.
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Speaker 3: We don't do it anymore.
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Speaker 12: We've destroyed the productivity of this nation. So in some
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Speaker 12: ways I agree with what Trump's doing. He wants to
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Speaker 12: get investment back into his country, he wants pay down
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Speaker 12: his debt, he wants to get employment high, and he
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Speaker 12: wants to be self sufficient, so he's not importing from
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Speaker 12: other countries. All we've done early this year is is
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Speaker 12: propping up China to grow their economy, grow their military,
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Speaker 12: and then turn around and use it against us.
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Speaker 3: Mark my words.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well he did you know the campaign on that
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Speaker 2: America first, and he's doing it. We just need to
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Speaker 2: get a meeting with him. Now, pull in hands and
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Now let's return
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Speaker 2: to the story I told you about at the top
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Speaker 2: of the show. A landmark judgment which found a biologically male.
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Speaker 2: Transgender activist Roxane Tickle was discriminated against when Tickle was
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Speaker 2: barred from a female only social media app. Will be
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Speaker 2: appealed in the Federal court next month. A judge had
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Speaker 2: found last year Giggle for Girls app creator Sal Grover
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Speaker 2: had discriminated against the activist and that sex is changeable.
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Speaker 2: Sal joins me live now from the Gold Coast. Sal,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for.
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Speaker 3: Coming on, Thank you so much for having me.
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Speaker 13: Now.
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Speaker 2: Look, you've been clear for a long time that you
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Speaker 2: would be appealing this decision. How do you feel now
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Speaker 2: that a date has been set for that to go ahead.
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Speaker 11: Well, we've known about the date for a little while now,
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Speaker 11: but obviously it's getting closer with less than thirty days
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Speaker 11: to go. And to be honest, there's lots of mixed
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Speaker 11: feelings because I have a lot of optimism, and I
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Speaker 11: have a lot of trust and excitement in my legal
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Speaker 11: team and our arguments. But there's also just, I suppose
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Speaker 11: a lot of anger around the fact that we even
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Speaker 11: have to do this, that women have to go to
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Speaker 11: court to say that men aren't women and to fight
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Speaker 11: for rights that we already had. That was the Sex
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Speaker 11: Discrimination Act, was the legislation that outlined our sex based rights,
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Speaker 11: and it has been taken over by men who claim
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Speaker 11: to be women and a sex Discrimination Commissioner who is
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Speaker 11: the custodian of the Act, who is interpreting it as
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Speaker 11: gender identity, not sex. And so there's a lot of
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Speaker 11: apprehension and anger and bitterness and also optimism and excitement
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Speaker 11: that this will all finally be over soon after three
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Speaker 11: and a half years.
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Speaker 2: So well, hopefully it will be over for you soon,
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Speaker 2: hopefully for your sake, that.
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Speaker 3: This appeal is successful.
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Speaker 2: How do you think the shift we've seen in the
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Speaker 2: world the UK Supreme Court decision I talked about earlier,
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Speaker 2: what's happening in the US with some of Trump's executive
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Speaker 2: orders and what's happening in the supreme courts there.
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Speaker 3: Will that have an impact? Do you think on the appeal?
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Speaker 11: What it's definitely had an impact on is the cultural zeitgeist.
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Speaker 11: Once upon a time, even when this Tickle VI Giggle
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Speaker 11: case first started, I mean, there was so much more
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Speaker 11: censorship around this issue. People were getting canceled and women
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Speaker 11: were very much more demonized than we are being now.
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Speaker 11: It's been through a lot of hard work, a lot
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Speaker 11: of women's grassroots organizations have pushed and pushed and pushed
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Speaker 11: to get this issue out there, and we've seen results
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Speaker 11: in the US and the UK, which has made even
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Speaker 11: more people aware of what is going on. So the
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Speaker 11: zeitgeist is definitely changing in our favor, but it just
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Speaker 11: means that it's changing back to reality. I mean, we
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Speaker 11: don't have any ideology on our side, there's no belief system.
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Speaker 11: It's just the reality that males and females are two
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Speaker 11: distinct classes and human beings cannot change sex because that's
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Speaker 11: a reality that we can't. I mean, you can call
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Speaker 11: yourself whatever you want, you can dress however you want,
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Speaker 11: but reality has to come into play at some point,
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Speaker 11: especially in the law, and your right as a man
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Speaker 11: to wear a dress cannot override the rights of women
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Speaker 11: to have women only spaces. It's that simple. Look.
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Speaker 2: You've had a lot of support since that trial, the
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Speaker 2: initial trial, from high profile women, including tennis great Martina
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Speaker 2: Navratilova and Harry Potter.
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Speaker 3: Author JK. Rowling. She tweeted total.
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Speaker 2: Solidarity, Total solidarity and said she hoped to meet with you.
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Speaker 2: What's it been like to receive support from these women
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Speaker 2: and have you had a chance to meet with J K.
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Speaker 3: Rowling.
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Speaker 11: So it's I mean, it's amazing when I get whether
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Speaker 11: it's from high profile people or if it's just people
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Speaker 11: who are anonymous who are donating to the crowdfund. I
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Speaker 11: appreciate the support of everyone. I mean, there is some
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Speaker 11: really low days in this and sometimes I do go
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Speaker 11: to Google crowdfund dot com and I read the comments
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Speaker 11: of everyday people who care about their rights or women's rights,
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Speaker 11: or freedom of speech and belief and their supporting and donating,
21:22
Speaker 11: and I just I appreciate it from every angle. I
21:25
Speaker 11: think that, I mean, I wouldn't be able to do
21:28
Speaker 11: this if it wasn't for the support of people who
21:32
Speaker 11: basically carrying me along to be able to do it.
21:34
Speaker 11: I meant, litigation is expensive, even public interest litigation, which
21:38
Speaker 11: is what this is, and it would be prohibitably expensive
21:41
Speaker 11: if it wasn't for the support of so many wonderful
21:44
Speaker 11: people who care about rights all around the world. Yeah.
21:46
Speaker 2: I talked a bit about how much you're expecting this
21:48
Speaker 2: all to cost one point five million dollars at the
21:50
Speaker 2: start of the show, and you are crowdfunding it also
21:52
Speaker 2: people want to support you. Please check out sal Grove
21:54
Speaker 2: online and help so I quickly wanted to get your
21:57
Speaker 2: response to a report on the Daily Telegraph today which
21:59
Speaker 2: we feel convicted double murderer Mark Donne, who now identifies
22:04
Speaker 2: as a woman and goes by the name Mackenzie he
22:06
Speaker 2: wants to transfer to a women's prison nineteen years into
22:10
Speaker 2: a forty three year prison term.
22:12
Speaker 3: A similar, I.
22:13
Speaker 2: Guess argument there in terms of a biological male's right
22:17
Speaker 2: to women's spaces.
22:18
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts about this story?
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Speaker 11: Well, the last I heard that is that apparently he's
22:24
Speaker 11: not going to be allowed to So it's interesting that
22:26
Speaker 11: suddenly trans women aren't women. If that doesn't if it's
22:29
Speaker 11: going to look too bad for the government to back
22:31
Speaker 11: that position.
22:32
Speaker 3: In one particular.
22:33
Speaker 11: Case, there is sort of a slang amongst all of
22:37
Speaker 11: us who are fighting against this, which is prison on
22:39
Speaker 11: set gender dysphoria, where suddenly these men decide that they
22:43
Speaker 11: are women when they are in harsh male prisons. What
22:46
Speaker 11: a coincidence they want to be taken to female prisons
22:50
Speaker 11: and be around women. There's worldwide, there's lots of male
22:53
Speaker 11: wafers in women's prisons.
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Speaker 3: It is.
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Speaker 11: Sort of at the far end of this issue, the
23:00
Speaker 11: absolute absurdity and danger of it. I mean in Australia
23:04
Speaker 11: for this particular situation, in my experience with the Sex
23:07
Speaker 11: Discrimination Commissioner, she should be fighting for his rates to
23:10
Speaker 11: go into a woman's prison.
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Speaker 3: Oh wow, it's true.
23:13
Speaker 11: Are they picking and choosing?
23:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would seem that way.
23:16
Speaker 2: It would seem that way, Salgover, thank you so much
23:18
Speaker 2: for your time, and we'll try and keep across that
23:20
Speaker 2: appeal next month when it goes to court. Well, yesterday,
23:24
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi deferred to his standard tetchiness when confronted on
23:29
Speaker 2: his failure to adequately confront escalating anti Semitism, especially after
23:34
Speaker 2: those shocking scenes in Melbourne over the weekend.
23:37
Speaker 1: Take a look Jewish community leaders saying that the sixty
23:41
Speaker 1: million dollars in funding supply and earlier this year for
23:44
Speaker 1: safety improvements is insufficient and they need more CCTV.
23:48
Speaker 13: And guards outside places of worship or schools.
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Speaker 14: Is your government prepared well?
23:51
Speaker 10: Who is saying that Jewish community leaders? Well, I spoke
23:55
Speaker 10: with Jewish community leaders on Saturday.
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Speaker 1: Didn't ask for the moment.
23:59
Speaker 10: I spoke Jewish community leaders on Saturday. Every time there
24:02
Speaker 10: has been a request, it has been met.
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Speaker 3: Relegates.
24:06
Speaker 2: Don't shoot the messenger albow. He always does that when
24:10
Speaker 2: ask the tough questions. But today we learn an actual
24:13
Speaker 2: new plan, maybe imminent, with a strategy to combat the
24:16
Speaker 2: explosion in due hatred set to be unveiled in days.
24:21
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Charlie Blickbau, chief executive officer of
24:25
Speaker 2: The Door Foundation, a not for profit organization to empower
24:28
Speaker 2: all Australians to stand against anti Semitism and hate.
24:32
Speaker 3: Talie, thanks for coming on and all the work you do.
24:35
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure.
24:37
Speaker 2: Now we're expecting to see some of the fifteen recommendations
24:40
Speaker 2: out of our Sky News Anti Semitism summit we held
24:43
Speaker 2: all the way back in February together with the Executive
24:46
Speaker 2: Council of Australian Jury actually being implemented here when the
24:49
Speaker 2: government makes the announcement. At least we hope that will
24:51
Speaker 2: be the case. What do you think needs to be
24:54
Speaker 2: part of this new strategy.
24:56
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a great question, and can I just say
24:59
Speaker 6: that I am so cided now for the first time
25:01
Speaker 6: we actually have a really detailed, we hope to have
25:05
Speaker 6: a really detailed, comprehensive and coordinated strategy. The tackles not
25:09
Speaker 6: only a reaction not only the physical manifestations of antisemitism
25:13
Speaker 6: that we have seen, the violence and the fire bombings
25:17
Speaker 6: and the horror, but also the underlying causes.
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Speaker 3: That's what I hope we'll see.
25:21
Speaker 6: Because I think what we've seen over the last twenty
25:24
Speaker 6: months and so on is an escalating number of antisemitic attacks.
25:28
Speaker 6: Both the number of attacks and the severity of attacks
25:30
Speaker 6: has continued to rise. And while the responses from the
25:34
Speaker 6: government and others have been increasingly strong in terms of
25:38
Speaker 6: calling out that behavior is unacceptable, of arresting offenders and
25:42
Speaker 6: prosecuting those offenders, what we need to see now is
25:47
Speaker 6: a real plan and attempt to tackle the drivers, what's
25:50
Speaker 6: causing this, what's allowing it to take hold within our society,
25:53
Speaker 6: and how can we get to the bottom of what's occurring.
25:56
Speaker 2: So would that be education mainly or what do you
25:59
Speaker 2: think tangibly needs to be implemented.
26:03
Speaker 6: Yeah, So, unfortunately there's no quick fix. This is not
26:06
Speaker 6: something that can be solved with one strategy or in
26:09
Speaker 6: one arena. What we need to see is a comprehensive
26:13
Speaker 6: and detailed plan that tackles things in the short term
26:15
Speaker 6: and the long term. Education, as you say, is absolutely
26:18
Speaker 6: part of it, education at universities, in secondary and in
26:23
Speaker 6: primary schools, education around critical thinking enabling people to challenge
26:28
Speaker 6: what they're seeing online in a really a really detailed way.
26:35
Speaker 6: And also, but not just education, also sort of interfaith dialogue,
26:38
Speaker 6: the way that we connect with other humans, the ability
26:41
Speaker 6: to focus efforts on not just one arena, not for example,
26:45
Speaker 6: just law enforcement or government, but the arts and sports.
26:50
Speaker 6: And it's been such an issue in the arts, and
26:52
Speaker 6: I want to get your thoughts on an example of
26:54
Speaker 6: that coming up. But meanwhile, our leader's failure to address
26:57
Speaker 6: anti Semitism adequately earned Australia a pretty unflattering reputation overseas.
27:03
Speaker 6: And now a high profile American rabbi.
27:06
Speaker 2: Shmuley Botaic has published an open letter to Donald Trump
27:11
Speaker 2: to ban Anthony Albanesi from entering the US. He writes,
27:15
Speaker 2: President Donald J. Trump, I write to you now with
27:18
Speaker 2: urgent moral concern. I implore you to take the extraordinary
27:21
Speaker 2: but necessary step of publicly calling for a ban on
27:24
Speaker 2: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi from entering the United States.
27:28
Speaker 2: This would serve as a powerful signal that the US
27:31
Speaker 2: will grant no quarter to heads of state who tolerate, excuse,
27:34
Speaker 2: or enable the modern day blood letting of the Jewish people. Tarlie,
27:38
Speaker 2: it's a pretty extraordinary call, but we have seen our
27:41
Speaker 2: international reputation damage to an extent, especially among Jewish communities overseas.
27:48
Speaker 6: We have yes, and it is both depressing and embarrassing
27:54
Speaker 6: when people from war zones reach out and ask how
27:58
Speaker 6: we're doing and whether we're okay here in Australia. I'm
28:01
Speaker 6: not sure cancel culture is the answer, and I think
28:05
Speaker 6: calls to ban, calls to prohibit go both ways, and
28:08
Speaker 6: they're not necessarily No.
28:10
Speaker 2: I tend to agree with you, but I mean here,
28:13
Speaker 2: I guess it served his purpose. We're talking about it
28:15
Speaker 2: today and it does highlight what a fooling reputation around
28:19
Speaker 2: the world. I do want to get your thoughts on
28:21
Speaker 2: this other disturbing development I came across today. A music
28:24
Speaker 2: festival in Queensland is facing accusations of anti Semitism. The
28:28
Speaker 2: Earth Frequency Festival, a music event that draws thousands of
28:32
Speaker 2: attendees every year, reportedly requested bands sign an ethics pledge.
28:37
Speaker 2: The Career Mail reports the organizers face significant online backlash
28:42
Speaker 2: after announcing an ethical artist policy that rejected racism, apartheid
28:47
Speaker 2: or genocide, and was built on consultation with Palestinian communities,
28:51
Speaker 2: artists and organizers. Tally Israeli CI Trance Duo, Infected Mushroom,
28:57
Speaker 2: they're quite big, I understand, cancel their planned performance. So
29:00
Speaker 2: they say the document is divisive. The Queensland Jewish Border
29:03
Speaker 2: Deputies say Jews no longer feel safe attending the festival.
29:07
Speaker 2: I mean, we just saw what happened to Glastonbury. Would
29:09
Speaker 2: chance death to the idea for what's your thoughts?
29:12
Speaker 6: I think the key in all of that is the
29:15
Speaker 6: words Jews don't feel safe. And that's the problem I'm
29:18
Speaker 6: trying to solve, because if we're living in a country,
29:20
Speaker 6: in a society where Jews don't feel safe, it's not
29:23
Speaker 6: a far cry to suggest that other people also don't
29:26
Speaker 6: feel safe, or very soon other people will feel unsafe.
29:29
Speaker 6: That's the culture that we're trying to rebuild. In Australia.
29:32
Speaker 6: Our organization commission independent research where Australians told us that
29:36
Speaker 6: they value respect and tolerance and inclusion and multiculturalism. The
29:41
Speaker 6: evidence tells us that that's true, and that's what I'm
29:44
Speaker 6: hopeful a national strategy will help us recognize rebuild and refirm.
29:48
Speaker 2: There just often always seems to be a butt for
29:51
Speaker 2: Jews when it comes to that. But we really appreciate
29:53
Speaker 2: you coming on, Taralie Blickbaugh and all the work that
29:55
Speaker 2: you guys do at.
29:56
Speaker 3: The Door Foundation. Thank you, Thank you.
29:58
Speaker 2: Coming up later a case jobs for mates. Alban Easier
30:02
Speaker 2: points a veteran labor figure to the nine hundred and
30:04
Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars a year position as head of his.
30:08
Speaker 3: Government's climate change department.
30:10
Speaker 2: Plus Trump and Natna, who meet for a second time
30:13
Speaker 2: in two days, we'll bring you the latest out of that.
30:20
Speaker 2: Welcome back Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Natna,
30:24
Speaker 2: who have met for the second time in two days,
30:27
Speaker 2: the Israeli leader leaving the White House on Tuesday evening.
30:31
Speaker 2: Their meeting went for a little more than an hour.
30:33
Speaker 2: No press access allowed this time. So are we any
30:37
Speaker 2: closer to a ceasfire between Israel and Hamas? Joining me
30:41
Speaker 2: now is Michael Shubridge, Director of Strategic Analysis Australia. Michael,
30:45
Speaker 2: it's always great to have your analysis on this issue,
30:49
Speaker 2: in particular, thanks for joining us. I just wanted to
30:53
Speaker 2: put pas you can this s seasfire talks. Trump says
30:58
Speaker 2: they're going along very well. Well, what's your take. Are
31:01
Speaker 2: you as confident as Trump seems to be.
31:05
Speaker 15: No, Caroline, I'm not because I think Hermas are really
31:10
Speaker 15: holding out here because they don't just want to cease fire.
31:14
Speaker 15: They want an agreement to end the war. And they
31:17
Speaker 15: know if they give a ceasefire and start releasing hostages,
31:21
Speaker 15: they're losing the remaining leverage they have. And I think
31:25
Speaker 15: when you see this meeting between Trump and Netna, who
31:28
Speaker 15: combined with the dinner at the White House, Trump and netnya,
31:32
Speaker 15: who are working in the closest of partnerships here.
31:35
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I mean there was a nomination for a
31:38
Speaker 2: Nobel Peace Prize. It doesn't get a lot closer than
31:41
Speaker 2: that from Natanna who for Trump. Meanwhile, Israel's defense minister
31:44
Speaker 2: has proposed relocating Palestinians from Gaza to a designated area
31:49
Speaker 2: along the Egyptian border in a movement to separate civilians
31:53
Speaker 2: from Hamas militants.
31:54
Speaker 3: Here was Natnahu yesterday.
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Speaker 13: We're working with the United States very closely about finding
32:02
Speaker 13: countries that will seek to realize what they always say
32:06
Speaker 13: that they wanted to give the Palestinians a better future,
32:09
Speaker 13: and those who are and I think we're we're getting
32:13
Speaker 13: close to finding several countries.
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Speaker 3: Michael, what do you think of this proposal?
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Speaker 15: Well, I really don't think it's true that other countries
32:23
Speaker 15: in the Middle East are about to open their borders
32:26
Speaker 15: to large numbers of Palestinian refugees from Gaza. But I
32:30
Speaker 15: do think this is Netanyahu and his defense minister telling Hamas,
32:35
Speaker 15: if you don't agree to the ceasefire, we've got other
32:38
Speaker 15: options that you will like even less, which is pushing
32:42
Speaker 15: Ghazans down into the south and trying to separate out
32:46
Speaker 15: the remaining Hamas operatives. So it's all about more pressure
32:49
Speaker 15: on Hamas.
32:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, a negotiating tactic, and you're right. I mean, look
32:54
Speaker 2: at Egypt has had such a hard blockade on Gaza
32:57
Speaker 2: for many, many years, and no other country has taken
33:00
Speaker 2: them in the past, and it's hard to imagine that's
33:02
Speaker 2: suddenly changing. Meanwhile, Trump has unleashed on Russian President Vladimir
33:07
Speaker 2: Putin in a foul mouthed rant.
33:09
Speaker 3: Take a look at this.
33:11
Speaker 13: I'm not happy with Boom.
33:12
Speaker 7: I can tell you that much right now, because he's
33:15
Speaker 7: killing a lot of people, and a lot of them
33:17
Speaker 7: are his soldiers. We get a lot of thrown out
33:20
Speaker 7: us by Putin. For you want to know, the truth
33:23
Speaker 7: is very nice all the time, but it turns out
33:25
Speaker 7: to be meaningless.
33:27
Speaker 2: Do you want to.
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Speaker 14: Sae g lensigram as a sanctions bill on Musha?
33:31
Speaker 16: Do you want him to I'm.
33:32
Speaker 14: Looking at it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Trump is set to resume sending weapons to Ukraine.
33:37
Speaker 2: It seems like relations with Putin have really soured.
33:43
Speaker 13: Well.
33:44
Speaker 15: Six months on, Donald Trump is starting to notice that
33:48
Speaker 15: Vladimir Putin is soft soaping him. He keeps saying he's
33:51
Speaker 15: interested in peace, but escalating the war. And I think
33:55
Speaker 15: this last set of Russian strikes with huge numbers of
33:58
Speaker 15: drones and missiles killing Ukrainian civilians clearly not military targets
34:04
Speaker 15: right after the phone call Trump had with Putin, is
34:08
Speaker 15: now making Donald Trump realize giving the Ukrainians the defensive
34:13
Speaker 15: Andy missile systems like the Patriots is a good thing,
34:17
Speaker 15: and maybe Putin needs some pressure put on him from
34:20
Speaker 15: the US.
34:22
Speaker 2: I got to say, finally, I'm glad he's woken up
34:24
Speaker 2: to that. Michael schubertch thank you so much for your time.
34:27
Speaker 2: Now up next, King Charles's bloodshot eye sets the internet alight.
34:32
Speaker 2: And renews health concerns will go to the UK with
34:35
Speaker 2: Sophie Elsworth next, plus a former airline boss calls out
34:39
Speaker 2: the aviation industry's pathological obsession within that zero.
34:49
Speaker 3: Welcome back well.
34:50
Speaker 2: French President Emmanuel mccron and his wife Bridget are on
34:53
Speaker 2: a state visit to the UK. They were last night
34:56
Speaker 2: hosted by the King and Queen.
35:00
Speaker 16: To prose a toost to France and to a new
35:04
Speaker 16: on Top. An on Top not only passed and present
35:09
Speaker 16: bus for the future.
35:12
Speaker 2: But forget the pomp and ceremony. It was King Charles's
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Speaker 2: bloodshot eye that saw the Internet explode. Joining me in hours,
35:20
Speaker 2: News Corp Europe correspondent and Sky and his contributor Sophie Ellsworth, Sophie,
35:25
Speaker 2: great to see you again. Has the Palace explained the
35:29
Speaker 2: situation with the bloodshot eye.
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Speaker 5: Well, Caroline definitely set the internet alight when the King
35:37
Speaker 5: emerged yesterday with what looked like a pretty grizzly injury
35:41
Speaker 5: to his eye. But we have been told not to
35:45
Speaker 5: be alarmed by this. Anyone who's had a bloodshot eye
35:48
Speaker 5: knows it's awful. It looks awful, but it's something that
35:52
Speaker 5: usually passes in time. But there is obviously that concern
35:55
Speaker 5: ongoing concern with the King's health, Caroline, given he has
36:00
Speaker 5: that cancer diagnosis and is continuing to receive treatment. So
36:06
Speaker 5: while many would argue that yesterday, the first day of
36:08
Speaker 5: the state visit was very successful, with the French president,
36:12
Speaker 5: there's no doubt there were many headlines were in the
36:15
Speaker 5: UK and around the world was concerned over that eye.
36:19
Speaker 3: That didn't look good on King Charles at all.
36:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right off and it just looks a whole
36:24
Speaker 2: lot worse than it is. It doesn't help when you're
36:26
Speaker 2: already under such scrutiny over all the other health scares
36:30
Speaker 2: that he's had now. Also on this visit, Sophie, the
36:32
Speaker 2: French President, criticized Brexit as deeply regrettable and also paid
36:37
Speaker 2: a sweet tribute to the late Queen Elizabeth.
36:40
Speaker 4: You she was your queen.
36:42
Speaker 5: To us, she was.
36:43
Speaker 3: The Queen Sophie. What were mcron's main messages.
36:50
Speaker 5: Well, he addressed West Pitsty yesterday. He made several addresses
36:56
Speaker 5: yesterday in the UK. He basically said that the UK
36:59
Speaker 5: and Front need to come together and have stronger allegiances.
37:04
Speaker 5: He did also say that they shouldn't be the two
37:07
Speaker 5: nations shouldn't be as reliant on America and Donald Trump,
37:12
Speaker 5: which was an interesting remark. And today he is due
37:15
Speaker 5: to meet Sekia Sama, the Prime Minister here to discuss
37:21
Speaker 5: many issues and on that Caroline. On top of the
37:24
Speaker 5: agenda will no doubt be the growing problem with the
37:27
Speaker 5: migration crisis and illegal migrants crossing the English Channel. So
37:32
Speaker 5: this is a very very timely visit and definitely many
37:37
Speaker 5: people paying close attention to his words yesterday. But he
37:41
Speaker 5: is very fond of the UK. He has a good
37:43
Speaker 5: relationship with the King, so more will unfold because he
37:47
Speaker 5: has another two days here in the UK.
37:50
Speaker 2: Well, not only are people paying attention to his words,
37:52
Speaker 2: they're paying attention to him and his wife. And mccron
37:55
Speaker 2: hasn't copped on his lapse in the face from Bridget
37:58
Speaker 2: mccron on this trip, as we all probably remember too
38:01
Speaker 2: well on that last occasion. But there have been some
38:04
Speaker 2: reports that she snubbed him as he tried to help
38:07
Speaker 2: her down the stairs of his jet.
38:09
Speaker 3: What's going on do you think with these two?
38:12
Speaker 5: Well, look the cameras are on them, Caroline, as they
38:15
Speaker 5: know the cameras watch their every move when they arrive
38:19
Speaker 5: on these jets. Arrive into countries, and so when he
38:22
Speaker 5: offered his hand to his wife, she dismissed him and
38:25
Speaker 5: didn't take it. And again there's headlines on this now
38:28
Speaker 5: reading to it what you will. Maybe they're having a feud,
38:31
Speaker 5: maybe she's just like, I don't need your help, but
38:34
Speaker 5: it definitely doesn't help their cause. After that slap that
38:39
Speaker 5: many people discussed and were questioning their stability of their marriage,
38:44
Speaker 5: which undoubtedly always happens when these things take place in
38:48
Speaker 5: the public arena.
38:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of cameras around and people are
38:51
Speaker 2: watching very closely now. And to finish on some climate Zellotree,
38:56
Speaker 2: a former boss of one of Europe's largest airlines, has
38:59
Speaker 2: called the aviation sector's pathological obsession within net zero targets.
39:04
Speaker 2: Peter Elbers of Indigo said, in parts of Europe and
39:09
Speaker 2: in the Netherlands, certainly a vocal minority is having a
39:12
Speaker 2: very significant influence on policies and direction.
39:16
Speaker 3: How has that message been received, Well.
39:20
Speaker 5: It's very interesting, Caroline, because he was the boss of KLM,
39:24
Speaker 5: the Dutch carrier for eight years. He's now the boss
39:28
Speaker 5: of a carrier in India, and he said that the
39:31
Speaker 5: two continents are worlds apart in the way they treat aviation,
39:35
Speaker 5: and he has said it's damaging the industry here in
39:38
Speaker 5: Europe and the UK, and just sent a really strong
39:41
Speaker 5: warning that there's a minority of people who are having
39:44
Speaker 5: an awful lot of impact on these different policies that
39:48
Speaker 5: airlines have to abide by. So it's something that I
39:51
Speaker 5: think many people will pay attention to. But as to
39:54
Speaker 5: whether it comes to any change, that remains to be seen, and.
39:58
Speaker 3: So they should.
39:58
Speaker 2: They're very wise words, Sophie Elsworth, So are yours? Thank
40:01
Speaker 2: you very much for your time and after the break
40:04
Speaker 2: panic stations with Trump's new tariff threat, Albanesian charmers, Shaw
40:09
Speaker 2: seems spooked. Plus a Marco Rubio impersonator uses AI to
40:14
Speaker 2: call foreign ministers. But was Penny Wong tricked? David Elliott
40:18
Speaker 2: and Joe Hildebrand are up next, Welcome back.
40:26
Speaker 3: Well.
40:26
Speaker 2: There have been more shocking developments in the childcare sector.
40:30
Speaker 2: A new South Wales childcare worker now who work for
40:33
Speaker 2: the same company as the accused Melbourne child sex offender,
40:38
Speaker 2: Joshua Dale Brown, has been charged with eight counts of
40:41
Speaker 2: sexually touching eight children. It comes, as we've learned today
40:45
Speaker 2: more than five hundred and fifty daycare facilities have failed
40:49
Speaker 2: to meet health and safety standards. Joining me now to
40:52
Speaker 2: discuss this is David Elliott, the former New South Wales
40:56
Speaker 2: police Minister, and Joe Hildebrand, Sky News contributor Evening. Thank
41:00
Speaker 2: you to both of you. Now, Joe, what the heck
41:04
Speaker 2: is going on here?
41:05
Speaker 14: It's terrifying. I mean there's kind of I think two
41:07
Speaker 14: separate things that are going on. One is the what
41:10
Speaker 14: would appear to be the deliberate infiltration of childcare centers
41:15
Speaker 14: by very serious child sex offenders, very serious predators alleged
41:21
Speaker 14: alledged aged agen. I'm going to say that you know
41:25
Speaker 14: where we're not talking about the sort of lower end
41:27
Speaker 14: of the scale of what's being alleged like this is
41:29
Speaker 14: this is not invert or opportunistic, clearly allegedly it seems
41:34
Speaker 14: to be you know what's been what these people are
41:37
Speaker 14: accused of is really horrendous stuff. And then you have
41:40
Speaker 14: another problem, which is childcare centers generally just buckling under
41:45
Speaker 14: the regulatory weight and not being able to meet the
41:49
Speaker 14: sort of hurdles that might screen out these people. And
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Speaker 14: that's largely due to impart a huge amount of PaperWorks
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Speaker 14: in a sense the bureaucracy that's meant to stop this
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Speaker 14: from happening could be part of the reason, because they're
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Speaker 14: doing unnecessary paperwork and not able to focus on what
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Speaker 14: they're meant to be doing, which also feeds into staff burnout,
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Speaker 14: and they're simply not being enough childcare workers to fill
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Speaker 14: all the spots. That means that things get missed, and
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Speaker 14: that of course leads into, as we've discussed before, the
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Speaker 14: ridiculous of saying, well, let's just ban all male childcare workers,
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Speaker 14: if anything, that would just exacerbate the staff shortage and
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Speaker 14: lead to more things being missed and lead it more
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Speaker 14: vulnerable to exploitation by those kind of prejudors.
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Speaker 2: And we can't speculate in this case as to how
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Speaker 2: it came to be that two workers that come from
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Speaker 2: the same company chain of childcase centers have been arrested
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Speaker 2: in recent days. But David, you worked as a police
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Speaker 2: minister for the state. What do you think, what are
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Speaker 2: your suggestions to fix the center that the problems we're
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Speaker 2: having with criminal now abuse.
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Speaker 17: Well, if you're a police officer, a member of the judiciary,
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Speaker 17: or indeed a politician, this got to be in the
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Speaker 17: top three issues that would be front of mine every day.
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Speaker 17: And when you consider that we had a very high profile,
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Speaker 17: very thorough royal commission into this stuff and a lot
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Speaker 17: of high profile people. One of course was innocent, but
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Speaker 17: a lot of high profile people were called to account,
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Speaker 17: it's pretty damning that in twenty twenty five we're still
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Speaker 17: dealing with this issue. I think Joe's point about burnout
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Speaker 17: is probably right. We have a massive demand for people
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Speaker 17: to work in education, whether it be early childcare to academia.
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Speaker 17: There is a huge demand for people to go into
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Speaker 17: education and I'm scared that this is going to turn
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Speaker 17: men off from doing it because, as I said on
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Speaker 17: Sky the other night, for a lot of families, particularly
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Speaker 17: broken families, a male in the early education sector is
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Speaker 17: probably the only male leadership a kid could get get
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Speaker 17: exposed to. So we've got to encourage them. I think
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Speaker 17: Joe's point about us demanding people to come in at
43:56
Speaker 17: such short notice quickly is meaning that there's probably some
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Speaker 17: whole in the system. I just find it hard. I
44:02
Speaker 17: mean I've gone for jobs, I've entered parliament, I've joined
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Speaker 17: the Australian Army. They go through you like a dos assault.
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Speaker 17: For the vast majority of jobs you applied for, particularly anything.
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Speaker 17: You know, these aren't bricklayers. These are people working with
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Speaker 17: your children. And you know I had to go through
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Speaker 17: it because I might be exposed in my current job
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Speaker 17: with engineers at university. So I do get concerned that
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Speaker 17: there are holes in the system.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, certainly there must be some hole somewhere, and
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Speaker 2: we should repeat, reiterate that these are just alleged offenses
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Speaker 2: charges at the stage. Both of these people men I mentioned,
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Speaker 2: they are before the courts right now and they are
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Speaker 2: innocent and or proven guilty. But returning to the big
44:42
Speaker 2: headline of the day, absolute panic stations for labor this morning.
44:45
Speaker 2: With the Albanese government now urgently seeking details on Trump's
44:50
Speaker 2: threat to slap tariffs of two hundred percent on pharmaceuticals
44:54
Speaker 2: and fifty percent on copper. Understandably the opposition is far
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Speaker 2: from impressed.
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister doesn't seem to understand the importance and urgency
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Speaker 4: of it.
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Speaker 3: And I just think that the Prime.
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Speaker 2: Minister's letting Australians down, He's letting a strange jobs down.
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Speaker 2: David quite honestly, how has Albanize stuffed up his relationship
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Speaker 2: with Trump so badly?
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Speaker 17: Well, I can put it down to one word, Rudd.
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Speaker 17: There is no doubt in my mind and I had
45:24
Speaker 17: to send partisan here. But Kevin Rudd has done it,
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Speaker 17: and Albert Anthony Alberizi, the Prime Minister of Australia, has
45:30
Speaker 17: allowed him to do it. Now we understand there's this
45:33
Speaker 17: guilt there because you know they all knighte right, and
45:36
Speaker 17: he's got to be given a golden handshake and a
45:39
Speaker 17: wide path and he's got to be able to recover
45:42
Speaker 17: some of his torn ego by being the ambassador the
45:45
Speaker 17: United States. But he's clearly the wrong person to be
45:48
Speaker 17: the ambassador the United States. Laborer telling me as well
45:51
Speaker 17: as Australian businessman in Washington is saying to me that
45:54
Speaker 17: he is a huge burden to them and I think
45:57
Speaker 17: unfortunately Kim Beasley's too old to take the job. I
46:00
Speaker 17: don't know how Bob Carr would be at the moment.
46:03
Speaker 17: But we need a senior labor elder, a statesman to
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Speaker 17: go over there who does not have does not have
46:12
Speaker 17: form with with with with Donald Trump, and we need
46:17
Speaker 17: somebody to go and seriously rebuild a relationship. I mean,
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Speaker 17: and Labour got a lot to be proud of with
46:21
Speaker 17: their relationship with the with the United States. You know
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Speaker 17: John Curtin the Coral Battle of Coral c h and
46:28
Speaker 17: even to a lesser extent what Bob Hawk was fantastic
46:33
Speaker 17: with our relationship. But they are really letting us down
46:36
Speaker 17: at the moment and I think this has got a
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Speaker 17: long way to play.
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Speaker 13: Well.
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Speaker 2: Look, Rudd certainly has been far from perfect, but Albanizi
46:43
Speaker 2: has also made past comments about Trump that haven't exactly
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Speaker 2: been flattering. Joe, I know you'd love to have your
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Speaker 2: say on this, but I also want to get your say.
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Speaker 3: On this other other topic.
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Speaker 2: Albanesi is under fire today and The Australian has revealed
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Speaker 2: he's appointed a veteran labor figure to the head of
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Speaker 2: his government's climate change department.
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Speaker 3: That's a nine hundred and thirty dollars pay pack at
47:03
Speaker 3: a year. Great work if you can get it.
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Speaker 2: These revelations come a day after we learn that taxpayers
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Speaker 2: forked out a one point five million dollar bill for
47:12
Speaker 2: seventy five of our public servants to rock up to
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Speaker 2: a un climate summer.
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Speaker 3: It's not a good look.
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Speaker 14: Well, he can't blame Mike Kiser for that, because that
47:20
Speaker 14: happened before he got a thing and also the bill
47:22
Speaker 14: from the Department of Climate Change to go to that
47:26
Speaker 14: summit was only nine hundred and ninety nine thousand, so
47:30
Speaker 14: cracked a million marre. I don't have the sound like
47:31
Speaker 14: the wagon. I think someone like Mike Kaiser is obviously
47:38
Speaker 14: a man of relative of which party comes from, which
47:41
Speaker 14: side of politics you support. This is clearly a man
47:44
Speaker 14: of immense talent. He's been the chief of staff to
47:47
Speaker 14: premiers in both New South Wales and Queensland, including Morris
47:50
Speaker 14: Yemma and Anastasia Palachet. He hails very much from the
47:53
Speaker 14: right side of the Labor Party, both literally and morally,
47:58
Speaker 14: and so I think, you know, I'd much rather have
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Speaker 14: someone like him in charge of I really like the
48:04
Speaker 14: fact that the climate change is in the right of
48:08
Speaker 14: the party and that someone from the right of the
48:10
Speaker 14: part that has that portfolio and they're not just running
48:11
Speaker 14: away with ideology. Now, a whole bunch of people would
48:14
Speaker 14: say Chris Barwin's a crazy idea logue. But trust me,
48:16
Speaker 14: this is something you want the right of the party.
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Speaker 17: Choe's right. I mean, he's an engineer, and we don't
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Speaker 17: have enough engineer. I mean I say that is that
48:24
Speaker 17: somebody looks after engineers.
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Speaker 3: All right, we do not have to defend him. David Elliot,
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Speaker 3: Joe Holder round.
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Speaker 2: That's all the time we have but today stay tuned.
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Speaker 2: Peter Kretlin is up next.