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Rudy and Lynette Berger | An Intimate Discussion in the Garage Gym · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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  We are back with the burgers again.
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  I always love catching up with you guys.
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  Likewise.
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  We're deep in the Masters
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  CrossFit Games season.
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  Lynette, you've done some other things,
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  so I want to catch up with
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  some of the things you've done.
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  I want to talk about the
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  Masters Games and kind of
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  how the season is going so far.
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  So let's start with,
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  you're in kind of this big lull.
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  How hard is it to stay
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  motivated for three months
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  while you're waiting for
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  the games to come up?
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  Yeah,
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  so like 12 weeks from qualification
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  to the games,
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  which is four or five weeks
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  longer than normal.
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  We kind of took the approach
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  that in the beginning,
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  we're going to take a
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  couple of weeks to kind of breathe in.
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  We still work out,
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  just kind of take the
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  intensity down just to
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  start to warm up to the season.
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  And then once we get out to
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  that 10 to eight weeks range,
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  we'll start to ramp it up.
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  And so that kind of gave me a little bit
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  more mental break of like, hey,
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  we'll do fitness once a day.
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  It's much easier on the
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  schedule and just kind of
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  start touching special stuff,
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  minimizing the time.
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  And that gave me a pretty good refresh.
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  But overall, how do I keep sane?
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  How do I keep going?
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  Lynette helps the logistics
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  behind this of getting training partners,
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  going to different gyms, going
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  you know,
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  traveling and working out with
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  the pan chicks, like changing things up,
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  making it different, knowing, hey,
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  this is games training.
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  We're going to do things
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  different and just going
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  into that with that mentality.
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  Yeah.
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  And you should also mention
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  your fitness outside of the gym lately.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  What's that?
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  And we have a distraction.
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  That was my next question.
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  Okay, there you go.
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  On the same wavelength.
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  There you go.
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  Climbing ladders, carrying odd objects.
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  We partnered with a friend
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  and bought a property that
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  had an older barn,
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  and we're refurbishing the
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  barn into a gym,
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  just like a personal workout space.
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  And so Lynette has to really
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  pull me from it because I
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  would work on it all day, every day.
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  But we started with the rule
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  that training first,
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  get the training done,
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  then whatever energy I have
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  left over after training, family, work,
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  I can go work on the barn.
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  So it's slow progress.
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  So we're at the end of June right now.
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  So there's still eight weeks
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  before the games.
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  Yeah.
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  You're not even to that six-week mark yet.
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  Right.
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  So it's kind of the ideal
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  time to do other stuff.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, sure.
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  Yeah, it is.
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  Why the barn?
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  I know that's a loaded question.
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  It goes back to his childhood.
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  Yeah.
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  His parents had a property
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  with a big barn.
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  I had a big barn.
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  And I think it has nostalgia to it.
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  Yeah.
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  And we live in kind of a
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  tight neighborhood,
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  and I always wanted to have
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  some property and literally a barn.
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  And it used to be that would
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  be a shop where I would
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  repair cars and build wood
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  and build things out of wood.
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  Now it's, okay, well,
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  that's going to be my home gym because...
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  you know, we've kind of,
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  we're outgrowing our space here,
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  our home gym in the garage,
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  or our corner in the basement,
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  and it just made sense, hey,
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  let's get a property that's, you know,
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  just a little bit of drive
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  outside the country,
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  and then we can go out and train,
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  and it just creates this
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  space that we can focus on it.
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  Because we, like, during the cold months,
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  we move everything to the
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  basement and then we move everything.
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  It's a lot of work.
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  Like,
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  it's not really a choice because of
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  his work.
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  It's not realistic that we
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  can make it to the gym we love,
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  Choctaw's.
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  That's still going to be our community,
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  our actual gym where we
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  would do qualifiers.
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  I mean, nothing replaces that community.
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  Stop asking my questions
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  before I get to ask them.
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  We just.
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  we just know each other too
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  well but like the reality
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  of it is if we have a
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  window in the morning
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  before his meetings or a
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  lunchtime break that we can
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  get something done here
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  it's just something
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  convenient and so kind of
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  having that one space that
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  he can work from and work
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  out you know it will make
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  it yeah very very
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  convenient so is there a
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  house on the property there is yeah
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  Are you doing anything with the house?
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  So yes, we, the goal is to have it rented.
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  Um,
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  it's funny cause we tell this story
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  that we bought a barn that
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  came with the house.
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  Um,
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  but we actually have to do something
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  with the house.
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  So like he said,
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  we partnered with our good friend.
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  He's also a realtor,
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  so he has a lot of
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  experience and that's why
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  we actually went into this.
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  I think by ourselves with
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  everything we have going on,
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  we couldn't have pulled it off.
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  But so we are rehabbing the
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  house currently and
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  hopefully we can have it
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  rented and hopefully we can
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  have some really cool, um,
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  people that move in there
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  and get the whole working
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  out thing in a barn that is
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  behind the property.
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  Yeah, don't bother the renters.
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  Yeah, that would come with a little bit of
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  Possible conflict if you
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  don't have the right tenant, right?
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  Yeah,
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  but it's like the way it's laid out
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  is actually on its own like
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  parcel like so it It's in a
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  two acre lot and it backs up to the wood.
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  So Yes, it's kind of weird.
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  But at the same time it's
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  out of the way the garage
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  doors will be in on the
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  back of the barn So it like
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  we won't have it shouldn't
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  be on their face, you know,
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  I mean so and we'll be good good people.
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  Yeah, I
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  So, speaking of chalk dust,
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  I know that's your community,
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  that's your gym, that you love that.
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  And you say you're not doing
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  this to like get away from that.
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  This is just your home gym, right?
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  Do you ever feel guilty
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  about some of the time you
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  spend at chalk dust like
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  it's not class time or not...
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  Yeah, so for sure.
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  So we are very good friends
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  with Mike and Caitlin.
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  And from the beginning,
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  they have been super accommodating.
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  They've always opened the
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  gym to basically anything we needed.
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  But sometimes, you know, for example,
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  if we are working out at
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  noon and we need the rings,
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  that is a particular
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  member's square that he always goes to.
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  So we're like, oh.
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  And everybody's like, oh my gosh, please,
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  go ahead.
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  There's never a hesitation
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  and we work around it
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  really as much as we can.
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  But there's always this like,
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  don't want to interrupt classes,
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  don't want to take
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  importance away from what
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  the members need.
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  And that,
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  I don't think it has been an
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  issue at all.
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  I think it's, I mean,
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  the community saw us grow
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  from day one there.
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  So I think there's a very...
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  great like working
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  relationship but sometimes
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  it's like if the gym is
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  packed and Rudy's like
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  moving equipment around it
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  just feel like we're
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  invading people's space so
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  um again it's not something
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  that they ever make us feel
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  that way but it's just
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  something that we're like oh like
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  yeah you know yeah it's
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  natural it's it's not your
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  space even though as a
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  crosser you always feel
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  like your gym is part of
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  yours right yeah yeah I
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  mean it's like our second
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  home like our kids grew up
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  there like it's literally
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  yeah so it is really fun
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  like we I think he trains
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  there probably three times a week yeah
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  so it's really nice to see
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  like sometimes we drop in
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  during the noon class
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  sometimes it's the evening
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  so we get to see kind of
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  everybody um and the the
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  the goal is to make this
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  barn like an extension of
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  the community so right now
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  there is really only work
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  to be done there not any
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  workouts but once we have
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  it in good enough shape
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  that we like we want to
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  host everybody like anybody
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  that wants to come change
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  it up and work out with us
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  on the weekends or whatever
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  is more than welcome too yeah
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  So I was watching an
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  interview with Saxon
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  Panczyk and Dave Castro today.
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  And I just talked to Saxon a
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  couple of weeks ago.
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  So he's really into,
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  after that year of injury,
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  like getting more connected
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  with the community.
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  He learned that like not
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  being connected with the
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  community actually was hurtful to him.
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  Especially when you get hurt
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  and there's like nobody around, right?
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  So he asked Dave Castro if
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  in order to win the prize
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  money at the games,
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  should it be a requirement
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  that the person have their L1?
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  Dave Gastro said, I think it should be.
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  We need to get that
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  connection back with the
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  elite athletes and their community,
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  which is why it's so cool
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  watching you guys at Chalk
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  Dust in that community you have.
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  Is it a stress release when
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  you kind of get to go just
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  drop in on a class?
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  Oh my gosh, yeah.
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  This week, I've made it to the 6.15 a.m.
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  class three days, and on my notes,
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  more than the score or the
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  actual workout I get,
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  it's just so refreshing to
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  start the day with friendly faces that
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  I don't know,
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  it just sets your day up to
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  be a better day.
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  So for sure.
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  I personally, I program for Rudy.
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  I program for other people.
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  And I don't want to program for myself.
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  I program for the kids.
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  I just want to show up and
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  do what's written.
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  So for me, when I'm programming here,
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  I tend to overthink things for myself.
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  And then I just end up doing
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  something that, I don't know,
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  is probably very biased for myself.
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  So taking that away from my
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  plate and just going to
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  class is personally my favorite.
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  He knows that.
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  615 is like most recently
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  the class I could make
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  because the day gets kind
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  of busy and I get back
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  before his first training session.
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  So I love it.
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  It's the best way to start my day.
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  Rudy and I were talking
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  before we hit record on
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  this camera about that
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  sometimes you forget what
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  this is all about, right?
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  It's about being healthy.
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  Yes.
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  Being mobile into your latter years.
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  Being able to run around
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  with your kids and grandkids.
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  Yep.
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  By being connected with the community,
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  lose sight of that for sure
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  yeah for sure and like I
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  guess our story is not
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  necessarily the traditional
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  individual elite story
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  right um it's more like you
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  know we had this goal in
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  our community saw us like
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  come up with this goal and
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  support us all the way
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  through winning the first
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  game so like it really felt
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  like everybody's investment
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  was in from day one yeah
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  like at first I'm sure that
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  some members were like what what
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  What are they doing like why
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  is it working out so much
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  and then they started to
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  get it and so it's just
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  been this journey that we
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  Like I can't even picture
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  not having a community like
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  that's not even something
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  that it Would make sense
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  for us like I feel it's
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  it's I'm part of that community.
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  It's my community and I know
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  the community feels like a
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  I am one of them.
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  And that's why I think they
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  have such a strong connection,
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  because they're like, oh,
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  that's one of us.
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  We're going to Madison to watch Rudy.
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  It's one of us.
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  So it's strong.
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  Yeah,
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  Saxon told me that one of the best
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  things he ever did was go
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  back to coaching.
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  That's cool.
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  That's cool.
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  And it gave him that
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  connection with the
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  community that he missed.
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  That's cool.
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  And you guys know the story.
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  He had an affiliate that he
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  owned and coached and
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  programmed for and all that.
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  And that got kind of taken away from him.
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  So it's cool that he's found his way back.
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  That's really cool, yeah.
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  So one last question about the barn.
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  I watch you guys on
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  Instagram like a hawk and I
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  see like these structures
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  that look like they're outside the barn.
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  Yes.
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  Is that like rings, rope climb, fire tower,
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  skyscraper?
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  What's going on there?
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  Just like any other good
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  home renovation project,
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  we've had some scope creep.
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  And the size of the barn
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  extend it a little bit,
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  extend it some more,
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  and then at a certain point we're like,
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  well,
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  I want to be able to do 50 feet of things,
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  because that's such a CrossFit standard.
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  It's got to be longer than 50 feet,
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  so it kept growing.
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  And then the inside,
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  I designed an area that had
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  basically a 17-foot truss
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  with very open space so
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  that we can have rope
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  climbs in the rings and all that.
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  So yes, it is by design.
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  So I work with systems all day.
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  I hear the term scope creep
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  probably 30 times a day.
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  Correct.
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  And usually that comes with a no,
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  you can't do that.
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  That was me until I said, fine, fine.
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  I give up.
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  Like, sure, have this barn.
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  Now it's like double the size.
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  But if you look at it from the side,
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  it's just like half a barn
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  and then dirt and poles
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  sticking up at this point.
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  Right now.
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  And I am like his
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  construction partner apparently.
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  And he puts a lot more trust
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  in my abilities.
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  She's fantastic.
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  Lots of trust in ladders I saw.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  He said, let's go do a little framing.
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  That's not the framing I had in mind.
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  I think the real episode we
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  should have done is out
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  live at the site of the barn.
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  We should.
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  Next time.
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  I thought about it, but I was like,
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  I don't even know if
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  there's like internet
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  connection out there or if
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  we don't have wifi.
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  We will, we will have wifi.
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  Not yet.
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  Yeah.
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  All right.
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  So,
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  so let's get into a little bit of the
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  master's CrossFit news.
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  This is the first year of
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  your split off from the games.
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  I've talked to Jason Grubb,
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  I've talked to people who
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  have been to the games several times,
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  talked to you.
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  They're not as affected
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  about the split off as
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  people who have never made it.
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  And there seems to be a
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  clear delineation about
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  that because they feel
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  cheated that they don't get
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  the experience that you all
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  got being at the big show
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  with the big kit.
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  I think the big kit is the
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  straw that broke the camel's back.
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  You're talking the gear kit.
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  Correct.
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  Okay.
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  So it's been announced that, well,
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  it's been assumed that
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  based on the survey,
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  you all will get three tops,
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  three bottoms, and some other stuff.
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  One wristband, which for him,
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  I don't know.
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  The sweatbands, yes.
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  Yes.
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  And that it is required that
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  you wear this uniform for all events.
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  Correct.
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  I've known you a long time now, Rudy.
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  You sweat like nobody's business.
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  Yes.
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  It's going to be a challenge.
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  Who is going to run your
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  stuff to laundry in between
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  events so that people can
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  bear to watch you finish the event?
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  Well, that might be part of strategy.
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  Because if I get ripe enough,
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  it'll affect my competitors.
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  He will.
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  Yeah, I mean,
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  we'll just have to do laundry quick.
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  We'll have to pick up some
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  extra stuff just to be prepared.
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  At the same time,
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  I'm still grateful for this opportunity.
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  Yes,
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  those that are just joining us this
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  year from a master's perspective,
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  it is different it's a new
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  thing but I think it's an
• 16:09
  opportunity where this this
• 16:11
  will be the better thing I
• 16:12
  really I really do and I
• 16:13
  would say it I i can
• 16:15
  absolutely understand
• 16:17
  people that are comparing
• 16:19
  you know what they got for
• 16:21
  the last however many years
• 16:23
  to versus what they're
• 16:24
  getting now and I don't
• 16:27
  want to sound like I'm
• 16:28
  complaining but I think
• 16:30
  like with the expansion of the
• 16:34
  the athletes, I mean,
• 16:36
  it's going to have to be
• 16:38
  different because the
• 16:39
  budget has to be different.
• 16:42
  And I know there's a big
• 16:43
  controversy around all of that.
• 16:46
  And all I'm just going to say, like,
• 16:49
  If they have to make some
• 16:50
  cuts on the things that
• 16:51
  they're giving the athletes,
• 16:53
  then I feel like they
• 16:54
  should make some
• 16:55
  concessions too as to what
• 16:57
  they're allowed to wear.
• 16:58
  So for example,
• 16:59
  if they're not giving out
• 17:00
  hats or headbands or more
• 17:03
  than one pair of wristbands,
• 17:04
  then allow the athletes to
• 17:06
  wear their own.
• 17:07
  So there has to be some kind
• 17:09
  of a compromise because...
• 17:10
  Here's my proposal.
• 17:14
  Every day there's one
• 17:15
  highlighted event that you
• 17:16
  must wear your uniform for.
• 17:19
  On the other events,
• 17:21
  wear what you need to to
• 17:22
  get through the weekend.
• 17:25
  So this is our highlighted event.
• 17:27
  Everybody's going to be in uniform.
• 17:29
  It's going to look cool.
• 17:31
  And then on the other ones, Hey,
• 17:33
  You can wear your sponsor
• 17:34
  stuff so you might be able
• 17:35
  to make some money to get yourself here.
• 17:37
  Yeah, exactly.
• 17:38
  Yeah, that's true.
• 17:39
  And help pay for these trips.
• 17:41
  Yeah.
• 17:42
  I think there just has to be
• 17:43
  some compromise.
• 17:44
  You know,
• 17:45
  it should not be so rigid where
• 17:48
  you're not giving them what
• 17:50
  they have gotten in the past,
• 17:51
  yet you expect them to have
• 17:53
  fresh clothing for every day.
• 17:55
  Like, that's a little bit tricky.
• 17:57
  Yeah.
• 17:58
  I mean, like, it's a first world problem,
• 18:01
  right?
• 18:01
  Like...
• 18:02
  It's not the end of the world.
• 18:04
  I think what happens in the
• 18:06
  CrossFit space is we get
• 18:08
  into these arguments and
• 18:09
  it's either all the way
• 18:10
  over here or all the way over here.
• 18:14
  Why can't we meet in the middle and say,
• 18:16
  you know what?
• 18:17
  We're streaming this.
• 18:18
  This is going to be the prime time thing.
• 18:20
  Wear your uniform for that.
• 18:22
  Exactly.
• 18:22
  That's a great idea.
• 18:25
  I mean,
• 18:26
  we're here to find the fittest people.
• 18:28
  What you're wearing doesn't
• 18:29
  really matter that much.
• 18:31
  And at the end of the day,
• 18:32
  if you're stinky, you're stinky.
• 18:34
  It's just what it is.
• 18:35
  Yeah.
• 18:37
  And you could have like a
• 18:37
  dress code policy that you
• 18:39
  must wear at least a pair of shorts and,
• 18:42
  you know,
• 18:43
  just to make sure nobody goes
• 18:44
  completely off the rails.
• 18:47
  Yes.
• 18:47
  I mean,
• 18:48
  most of the field takes their shirt
• 18:49
  off anyway.
• 18:50
  So it's like,
• 18:51
  why does it really matter that much?
• 18:52
  Right.
• 18:53
  You're right.
• 18:53
  Right.
• 18:55
  So it's in Birmingham, Alabama.
• 18:58
  Do we know,
• 18:59
  have they told you guys what
• 19:01
  the facility is?
• 19:03
  I mean, they told us where it's at.
• 19:06
  I forget the name,
• 19:07
  but they said it's at this place.
• 19:09
  I'm trying to remember the name.
• 19:11
  Some guy's name.
• 19:12
  Yeah, some guy's name.
• 19:13
  But from what I understand,
• 19:15
  that's where it's at.
• 19:16
  That's where it's going to
• 19:17
  be completely contained,
• 19:18
  unless there's some crazy
• 19:19
  thing with like a swim or a
• 19:21
  trail run that we aren't aware of.
• 19:23
  But I would expect it to be
• 19:24
  all at that one facility,
• 19:26
  the convention center.
• 19:27
  I talked to Joe,
• 19:28
  I've talked to him a couple
• 19:30
  of times in the last couple of weeks,
• 19:32
  and he's super excited.
• 19:34
  Like the venue they got, he said,
• 19:35
  is really nice.
• 19:37
  So I'm excited.
• 19:38
  I take him at his word.
• 19:40
  Legends this year was at a
• 19:41
  beautiful facility.
• 19:43
  Yeah, I heard.
• 19:44
  So I take him at his word
• 19:45
  for that because they
• 19:47
  followed through on that.
• 19:49
  My hope is that I get to do
• 19:50
  behind the scenes at the Masters Games.
• 19:53
  That's why I've been talking
• 19:54
  to him so much.
• 19:55
  I'll find out tomorrow.
• 19:56
  Okay.
• 19:57
  If we have full-blown coverage.
• 20:00
  Media access.
• 20:01
  Good.
• 20:01
  Yeah, so I hope we can do that.
• 20:05
  So you're going to ramp up mid-July.
• 20:09
  Yeah.
• 20:10
  We're kind of starting to
• 20:11
  just throw a little bit
• 20:12
  extra spice here and there,
• 20:14
  but nothing really too crazy yet.
• 20:17
  Yep.
• 20:17
  Do you do any kind of odd
• 20:19
  object training more now
• 20:20
  than you do during the rest of the year?
• 20:22
  I would say yes because, you know,
• 20:25
  earlier on in the season we
• 20:26
  focus on what is likely to come up.
• 20:29
  So sandbags are typically not a thing or,
• 20:32
  you know, carries outside.
• 20:34
  So, yeah,
• 20:35
  I would say that the training
• 20:36
  changes the closer we get to the games.
• 20:39
  Totally.
• 20:41
  So I want to move away from...
• 20:43
  that piece and I want to
• 20:44
  talk about kind of what's
• 20:45
  been going on around you
• 20:46
  guys this year your
• 20:48
  daughter got to compete in
• 20:50
  the open for the first time
• 20:51
  ever that was really cool
• 20:54
  um your kids are they're so
• 20:57
  involved in so many things
• 20:59
  I get to watch track meets
• 21:01
  and cross country and all
• 21:03
  this stuff on instagram and
• 21:03
  it's so cool seeing how you
• 21:06
  guys have set the example
• 21:07
  for them and how that's
• 21:09
  working leah did awesome in
• 21:11
  the open thank you
• 21:12
  But you guys made the choice
• 21:14
  to kind of take a step back
• 21:15
  this year and let her do
• 21:18
  her school thing.
• 21:20
  When we look around the CrossFit space,
• 21:21
  a lot of young girls are
• 21:24
  backing out of the sport.
• 21:28
  Does that weigh heavy on
• 21:29
  your mind when you see your
• 21:31
  kids moving into this CrossFit thing?
• 21:33
  Yeah,
• 21:34
  I think that it would be silly not to
• 21:37
  learn from what other very
• 21:39
  successful teenagers in the
• 21:41
  sport have gone through and
• 21:43
  for sure take some red flags that,
• 21:46
  you know, say, hey, you know,
• 21:47
  for us it's like CrossFit
• 21:49
  is going to be there.
• 21:51
  You only get to do middle
• 21:52
  school track once or cross country once.
• 21:56
  And while CrossFit has been
• 21:58
  part of their lives since
• 22:00
  they were three and four,
• 22:02
  I mean,
• 22:03
  we have old videos of them doing
• 22:05
  toes to bar in the basement
• 22:06
  when they were toddlers.
• 22:09
  It's not that we don't want
• 22:11
  to take it seriously,
• 22:12
  it's just that we see it as
• 22:14
  a compliment to the sport
• 22:16
  that they're working on.
• 22:18
  and when they decide to you
• 22:21
  know take it on a little
• 22:23
  bit more competitively
• 22:25
  we'll be there to help them
• 22:26
  but I think they see the
• 22:29
  hard work that goes in and
• 22:30
  the dedication that
• 22:33
  It's almost like, you know,
• 22:34
  if they don't feel like training with dad,
• 22:36
  I don't make them train.
• 22:38
  But they know that if they
• 22:40
  want to do really well,
• 22:41
  they're going to have to
• 22:42
  make choices that are
• 22:43
  different than what they're making today.
• 22:45
  And so, for example,
• 22:46
  with Leah doing really well
• 22:47
  in the open and qualifying for quarters,
• 22:51
  it happened that it was the
• 22:52
  same week as like a big
• 22:53
  track meet she had.
• 22:55
  And if the workouts would
• 22:57
  have been different and she
• 22:58
  wanted to do them,
• 22:59
  I would have been open to let her try,
• 23:02
  but they were very leg heavy.
• 23:04
  And I was like,
• 23:04
  the last thing I want is
• 23:06
  her to be lined up on that
• 23:07
  start line on Saturday
• 23:09
  morning and like feel unprepared or
• 23:13
  her confidence be shaky
• 23:15
  because of the workout she
• 23:16
  did that she didn't really have to do.
• 23:18
  So it was an easy choice that, hey,
• 23:21
  focus on track and CrossFit
• 23:22
  will be there.
• 23:23
  Because they have so many
• 23:26
  external pressures nowadays
• 23:28
  that adding to that and
• 23:30
  what they have to deal with
• 23:31
  is just not something we want to do.
• 23:34
  The other thing that helped you avoid,
• 23:36
  and I know this wasn't the intention,
• 23:38
  is that if she would have made the games,
• 23:41
  those would have been on
• 23:42
  the same weekend.
• 23:42
  Oh my gosh, that is so stressful.
• 23:45
  We did talk about that.
• 23:46
  Mason asked me, he's like,
• 23:47
  who would you have chosen?
• 23:49
  And I'm like, duh, Leah.
• 23:52
  I have to be there for her first.
• 23:53
  And then he's like, who would be with Dad?
• 23:55
  I'm like...
• 23:56
  you he's like me so um coach
• 24:00
  mason there you go jump on
• 24:02
  the phone yeah call mom so
• 24:04
  no it would have been extra
• 24:07
  challenging for us yeah
• 24:08
  yeah but yeah yeah so I was
• 24:11
  actually talking to tony
• 24:12
  tursky who qualified I
• 24:14
  think 55 to 60 okay uh and
• 24:17
  he coaches a mother and
• 24:19
  daughter who both meet oh wow
• 24:22
  and we're actually going to
• 24:22
  try to get both of them on
• 24:24
  as to what this
• 24:25
  complication does to them.
• 24:28
  Another proposal I'd like to make is
• 24:31
  It's all age group.
• 24:32
  Why not have them in the
• 24:33
  same place at the same time?
• 24:35
  I agree.
• 24:36
  And get all the eyes in one location.
• 24:38
  Yes.
• 24:39
  I agree with that.
• 24:40
  That's a really great suggestion.
• 24:41
  Yeah, for sure.
• 24:42
  And pool the budgets.
• 24:44
  Yeah.
• 24:45
  Then you only have to pay for one facility,
• 24:46
  not two.
• 24:47
  Yeah.
• 24:48
  Equipment is all the same.
• 24:49
  Right.
• 24:50
  Yeah.
• 24:50
  No, that's a great idea.
• 24:51
  It is.
• 24:52
  Yeah.
• 24:53
  Yeah.
• 24:53
  And like you said,
• 24:54
  it's like separating like the...
• 24:57
  The potential for viewers to
• 25:00
  keep track of two things,
• 25:02
  it's much lower than if you just said,
• 25:05
  you know, stay tuned for,
• 25:08
  you're gonna see teenagers
• 25:10
  through 60 plus compete.
• 25:13
  I think that's much more
• 25:15
  attractive than two.
• 25:17
  While I'm on my proposal riff,
• 25:18
  I'm gonna go with,
• 25:20
  you guys should've competed
• 25:21
  before the Indians.
• 25:25
  The way it's set up in
• 25:26
  Dallas now that some
• 25:28
  information's been released,
• 25:30
  the vendor village is going
• 25:31
  to have the beer garden and
• 25:32
  the big screen TV.
• 25:34
  Well, with all the elites going and team,
• 25:36
  there's going to be a lot
• 25:37
  of breaks during the day.
• 25:39
  Why not have you guys
• 25:40
  compete ahead of time and show,
• 25:42
  re-air the events in that
• 25:45
  beer garden in between all those events?
• 25:49
  And then you guys are all highlighted.
• 25:52
  Still on the big stage.
• 25:53
  At least in some way.
• 25:54
  Yeah.
• 25:55
  Yeah.
• 25:55
  I agree.
• 25:56
  Yeah.
• 25:57
  I mean,
• 25:58
  I feel like there is a risk with
• 25:59
  people being, like,
• 26:00
  CrossFit out by the time
• 26:02
  the Masters compete.
• 26:03
  You know, like, people... I don't know.
• 26:06
  Another reason to go first.
• 26:07
  Yeah.
• 26:08
  So, how long do the Olympics last?
• 26:11
  Have we talked about the
• 26:12
  fact that the Olympics start, what,
• 26:14
  July 26th?
• 26:15
  And when do the CrossFit Games start?
• 26:18
  Oh, smack dab in the middle.
• 26:19
  Yeah.
• 26:19
  So, like, we...
• 26:21
  we're okay we're after all
• 26:23
  that you know that's a
• 26:24
  labor day so yeah I will
• 26:26
  say I think I saw that the
• 26:28
  um uh adaptive olympics I
• 26:31
  don't think that's the right
• 26:33
  The Paralympics?
• 26:34
  Yes.
• 26:35
  Are the same weekend as the Masters.
• 26:38
  Really?
• 26:38
  I believe.
• 26:39
  I'm almost positive that that is the case,
• 26:42
  which I see it as like a
• 26:44
  great opportunity for inspiration.
• 26:45
  You know,
• 26:46
  we watch the Golden Girls every
• 26:48
  night before bed when he's competing.
• 26:50
  That's what he chooses to watch.
• 26:52
  I think this is the nugget
• 26:54
  from the interview.
• 26:55
  There you go.
• 26:56
  Rudy watches the Golden Girls to relax.
• 26:58
  Yeah.
• 26:58
  Hey,
• 26:59
  next time you can wear his Golden
• 27:00
  Girls shirt.
• 27:01
  Yeah, you can have a shirt.
• 27:02
  Yeah.
• 27:03
  Who's your favorite Golden Girl or kid?
• 27:07
  The old lady.
• 27:07
  What's her name?
• 27:08
  The mom?
• 27:09
  The mom.
• 27:12
  I forget her name.
• 27:14
  I have no idea.
• 27:14
  I only knew of the Golden
• 27:16
  Girls when he told me.
• 27:17
  He's like,
• 27:18
  let's find the Golden Girls on TV.
• 27:20
  And I'm like, the who?
• 27:22
  Yeah.
• 27:22
  So it's a thing now.
• 27:24
  My go-to is Friends.
• 27:25
  I've seen it so many times
• 27:26
  that I can fall asleep to
• 27:27
  it and not feel like I'm
• 27:28
  missing anything.
• 27:29
  Mine is The Office.
• 27:30
  I love it.
• 27:31
  It never gets old.
• 27:34
  Now it's going to kill me
• 27:35
  until it comes to my head who that is.
• 27:39
  Sophia?
• 27:40
  Sophia, yes.
• 27:40
  Oh, really?
• 27:41
  Okay.
• 27:41
  That's the old lady.
• 27:44
  In real life,
• 27:45
  she was actually younger than
• 27:46
  all of the other ones.
• 27:46
  That's so funny.
• 27:47
  That was the cool thing.
• 27:50
  She was in the,
• 27:50
  now we're just way off the tracks,
• 27:53
  but in the Stallone movie, Stop Her,
• 27:55
  My Mom Will Shoot.
• 27:55
  Yes, exactly.
• 27:57
  Maybe she played the mom to
• 27:58
  semester school.
• 27:59
  Oh, yeah.
• 28:10
  I want to talk about Lynette
• 28:11
  and some of the additional
• 28:12
  things you've taken on.
• 28:15
  It kind of started last year
• 28:16
  with Emma Tall at the games.
• 28:20
  And we talked about that
• 28:21
  post-games last year.
• 28:23
  But now I find out,
• 28:26
  not from my friend Lynette,
• 28:29
  but from Max himself,
• 28:31
  that he had hired you as his coach.
• 28:33
  Yes.
• 28:34
  And then I called you,
• 28:36
  I texted you right after that going,
• 28:38
  how come I have to hear
• 28:39
  this news from someone other than you?
• 28:42
  It's so funny timing because
• 28:44
  I think it happened like
• 28:45
  two days before that interview.
• 28:47
  And I was like, I don't know.
• 28:49
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:50
  I know, excuses.
• 28:51
  I'm sorry, Scott.
• 28:53
  But yeah, Max, super exciting.
• 28:56
  So it's funny because...
• 28:59
  We've been following Max's
• 29:00
  career for a couple of
• 29:01
  years because Jamie picked
• 29:03
  him as a dark horse two
• 29:06
  years ago at the Orlando semifinal.
• 29:09
  And he almost made it.
• 29:11
  And he's so close, so close.
• 29:14
  So he said that he needed
• 29:16
  somebody to kind of take
• 29:18
  over some of the thought
• 29:20
  process and let him just train.
• 29:24
  And I thought, well, you didn't pick any,
• 29:26
  you couldn't have picked anybody better.
• 29:28
  Thank you.
• 29:29
  So what exactly do you do for Max?
• 29:33
  So I would say right now
• 29:35
  we're kind of in the learning process.
• 29:38
  So when he first called me up,
• 29:40
  I was super honored.
• 29:42
  And honestly,
• 29:43
  I didn't expect it because
• 29:45
  I'm in the master space.
• 29:47
  So he's an individual.
• 29:49
  But I interacted with Max at
• 29:53
  Southland camp.
• 29:54
  So kind of everything goes
• 29:55
  back to Southland, which is great.
• 29:57
  um and you know I think that
• 30:01
  he was a really great guy
• 30:03
  great athlete and we kind
• 30:04
  of stayed in touch a little
• 30:05
  bit and when he called me
• 30:07
  up I was like totally I
• 30:09
  can't like it's really hard
• 30:11
  for me to not to like want
• 30:13
  to jump in and help people
• 30:15
  that are amazing humans so
• 30:18
  I was totally in from the
• 30:19
  beginning I was like then
• 30:20
  we'll just figure out how
• 30:20
  to make it work but yes
• 30:22
  And so it was,
• 30:23
  I think like maybe three
• 30:25
  weeks before semifinals.
• 30:27
  So at that point, you know,
• 30:28
  we weren't really changing anything,
• 30:30
  right?
• 30:31
  The fitness was done.
• 30:32
  The fitness was in the bar.
• 30:34
  There's not much you can do at that point.
• 30:35
  And what I just started
• 30:37
  working with him on was like, Hey,
• 30:39
  the workouts are released.
• 30:41
  You're going to test them, send them,
• 30:42
  send me videos,
• 30:43
  and then we'll break them
• 30:44
  down and talk about it.
• 30:45
  So that was something that
• 30:47
  I'm comfortable with
• 30:48
  because it's the same process for Rudy.
• 30:50
  So we just kind of hit it
• 30:52
  off that way and shared strategies.
• 30:55
  It's a very collaborative process.
• 30:57
  I mean,
• 30:58
  I respect the way he thinks and how
• 31:01
  he approaches things.
• 31:02
  And I am more than anything
• 31:04
  just trying to bring a
• 31:05
  different perspective.
• 31:07
  to challenge his thinking a
• 31:08
  little bit and just, you know,
• 31:10
  maybe pick up on certain
• 31:11
  biases or things that he
• 31:13
  might not be noticing.
• 31:15
  So that was kind of the
• 31:16
  initial work together.
• 31:19
  Then he's like, hey,
• 31:20
  do you think you can come to Semis?
• 31:21
  And I'm like, yes, we'll make it work.
• 31:24
  So it was Leah's last day of
• 31:26
  middle school.
• 31:27
  So it was a little tricky
• 31:29
  leaving town a little late,
• 31:31
  but made it there before his first event.
• 31:34
  And seriously,
• 31:36
  I am so proud of how he
• 31:39
  performed at semifinals.
• 31:41
  He did so great.
• 31:43
  And what I brought to the table,
• 31:45
  like I said, fitness was already done.
• 31:47
  He knows what he's doing.
• 31:48
  It was more about trying to
• 31:50
  take things off of his
• 31:51
  plate so he could focus on
• 31:53
  just performing and executing his best.
• 31:56
  You know, I did all his timing for, okay,
• 32:00
  this is when you need to eat.
• 32:01
  This is when you need to start warming up.
• 32:02
  This is when you need to go
• 32:04
  to the bathroom before they call you.
• 32:07
  Basically,
• 32:07
  forcing him to eat more than he
• 32:09
  wanted to.
• 32:10
  And scheduling his, like...
• 32:13
  recovery appointments and
• 32:15
  just more like the
• 32:15
  logistics of it and also
• 32:18
  that kind of support in the
• 32:19
  warm-up area of like hey
• 32:22
  you're looking down when
• 32:23
  you're about to snatch or
• 32:25
  some things that you know
• 32:26
  from a coaching perspective
• 32:28
  are details that the
• 32:29
  athlete has so many things
• 32:30
  going on that it just helps
• 32:31
  to have that person there
• 32:33
  to you know be there to support you yeah
• 32:37
  I can't help but notice that
• 32:38
  Rudy is nodding his head as
• 32:40
  you're going through the
• 32:41
  list of things you do.
• 32:42
  Because I'm assuming he's
• 32:44
  been through this a number of times.
• 32:47
  Rudy,
• 32:48
  it's just been you and Lynette for a
• 32:49
  long time.
• 32:50
  And now she has other athletes.
• 32:55
  How does that make you feel?
• 32:57
  I love it because it's
• 32:59
  giving her the opportunity to grow.
• 33:01
  She started as an understudy
• 33:03
  under Scott Panczyk,
• 33:05
  one of the greatest coach
• 33:06
  programmers of all time.
• 33:08
  And so now it's like, all right,
• 33:10
  you've been taught all these things.
• 33:12
  Spread your wings and help others.
• 33:14
  And like she said,
• 33:15
  she's only going to do this
• 33:16
  for people that are
• 33:18
  fantastic and that she knows well,
• 33:20
  at least right now.
• 33:21
  Anyways,
• 33:21
  we'll see how wide those wings can
• 33:24
  spread.
• 33:24
  But I love it.
• 33:25
  She actually had me test a
• 33:26
  couple paces for the semifinals for Max.
• 33:29
  So that was kind of fun.
• 33:31
  But yeah, I love it.
• 33:32
  I want to see her grow.
• 33:34
  So athletes make the worst spectators.
• 33:36
  I agree.
• 33:37
  So she's not on the floor,
• 33:39
  but like her success depends on Max.
• 33:43
  When you're watching that,
• 33:45
  how nervous did you get?
• 33:47
  Very nervous.
• 33:50
  I felt like I was on Max's team,
• 33:55
  and I actually was texting
• 33:57
  Lynette all the times from
• 33:59
  the previous heats and
• 34:01
  trying to make myself useful.
• 34:02
  I was like, hey,
• 34:03
  I need to try to help
• 34:04
  something from just a
• 34:06
  support perspective.
• 34:08
  It was, yeah, I was very involved,
• 34:10
  absolutely.
• 34:12
  And you've been blessed to
• 34:14
  have an athlete that has
• 34:16
  won the games every time he's tried,
• 34:19
  right?
• 34:19
  Yes.
• 34:20
  Now you have an athlete
• 34:21
  that's trying to get over
• 34:28
  to be crazy when you're
• 34:30
  there mm-hmm I would say
• 34:32
  yes and I and maybe is
• 34:33
  because we our relationship
• 34:35
  is so recent you know that
• 34:38
  when we broke down the
• 34:39
  workouts he outperformed
• 34:41
  the things that he was
• 34:42
  going to crush and then he
• 34:44
  executed about the the
• 34:46
  performance that we
• 34:47
  expected on the events that
• 34:48
  were not his strengths so
• 34:51
  regardless of the outcome
• 34:52
  like the execution
• 34:54
  was really well done and so
• 34:57
  you know while the ultimate
• 34:59
  goal is to make it to the
• 35:00
  crossfit games I think
• 35:02
  right now the goal was to
• 35:05
  say okay let's kind of
• 35:07
  identify what are those
• 35:08
  areas that we need to focus
• 35:10
  on and then just hammer
• 35:11
  them and not from the
• 35:13
  traditional approach of
• 35:14
  doing necessarily more it's
• 35:17
  like let's solve it to root
• 35:18
  cause so he's actually visiting um
• 35:22
  early july so in a couple
• 35:24
  weeks he's gonna stay with
• 35:26
  us our our kids love him
• 35:27
  because he is a taylor
• 35:29
  swift fan so just by that
• 35:31
  and at southland they yeah
• 35:33
  they spend so much time
• 35:35
  doing the ramp the
• 35:36
  handstand walk ramp yeah
• 35:37
  every every time we looked
• 35:38
  in this corner there's max
• 35:40
  and mason and there's max
• 35:41
  and mason like battling so
• 35:43
  they're looking forward to
• 35:44
  hanging out with man they
• 35:45
  already know him well it's
• 35:47
  wild so we are going to you
• 35:49
  know like as you know i
• 35:52
  like I am very resourceful
• 35:54
  and so when I don't know
• 35:55
  something I am not really
• 35:57
  um embarrassed or ashamed
• 35:59
  to say I don't know the
• 36:00
  answer to that so my goal
• 36:02
  for his visit here is to
• 36:04
  link him up with people
• 36:05
  that we trust that help us
• 36:07
  identify all right this is
• 36:09
  what he needs to focus on
• 36:10
  and then we're going to
• 36:11
  execute on those things so
• 36:14
  it's going to be a fun visit
• 36:16
  So this is going to be an
• 36:17
  interesting question
• 36:18
  because I've been around
• 36:19
  you for a couple years
• 36:20
  documenting the journey.
• 36:22
  For Rudy, you only need a look, right?
• 36:27
  Now you have new clients
• 36:29
  that I'm not sure that's
• 36:31
  the technique that's going to work.
• 36:33
  So how much better of a
• 36:34
  coach are you becoming because it's
• 36:40
  other ways of communication.
• 36:41
  Yes, that is a very great point.
• 36:44
  And maybe I just got lucky,
• 36:46
  but Max's and Rudy's
• 36:49
  personality are very
• 36:51
  similar in a way on the
• 36:54
  competition floor in how
• 36:55
  they approach things.
• 36:56
  They're both very calm.
• 36:58
  They don't really get flustered.
• 37:01
  They manage stress really well.
• 37:04
  So from that perspective,
• 37:05
  our communication was
• 37:06
  fairly kind of smooth from the get-go.
• 37:09
  I did get a little excited
• 37:11
  the first day because I'm
• 37:13
  used to the master's
• 37:14
  timeline for warming up.
• 37:17
  And you know,
• 37:17
  Rudy needs a solid hour
• 37:19
  before he's even like touching anything.
• 37:22
  And Max is like rolling in
• 37:24
  with like 40 minutes to go and I'm like,
• 37:26
  you're making me really nervous.
• 37:27
  And then I'm like, okay,
• 37:28
  he's half Rudy's age.
• 37:30
  Younger muscles, younger muscles.
• 37:34
  But yeah.
• 37:35
  Yeah.
• 37:36
  So anyways,
• 37:36
  there was a little bit of a
• 37:38
  learning curve, um, for that.
• 37:40
  And then the,
• 37:42
  what I loved about being
• 37:43
  there is that I got to see him
• 37:46
  You know through the highs
• 37:47
  and the lows and got to
• 37:49
  learn about how he handles
• 37:51
  all of that Which is not easy,
• 37:53
  especially by yourself Like
• 37:55
  I don't know how anybody
• 37:56
  does this without a coach
• 37:58
  by them whether that coach
• 38:00
  is your spouse or some
• 38:01
  close friend that you trust
• 38:03
  but there has to be
• 38:04
  something kind of Somebody
• 38:05
  there for you to kind of
• 38:07
  celebrate with you and also
• 38:08
  kind of pick you up when
• 38:10
  when things don't go your
• 38:11
  way so the fact that he's
• 38:12
  done this by himself is
• 38:14
  it's kind of you know
• 38:15
  impressive on its own but
• 38:18
  it was great after every
• 38:19
  event we took a walk kind
• 38:20
  of like a cool down walk
• 38:21
  and we debriefed and
• 38:23
  celebrated things that went
• 38:24
  well and kind of took notes
• 38:27
  of things that we need to
• 38:28
  work on and then we moved
• 38:30
  on so it was kind of like I
• 38:32
  said I got lucky because
• 38:33
  he's not a really emotional
• 38:35
  person kind of gives you the same look
• 38:39
  whether things are good or not so good.
• 38:42
  So, yeah, it's like him.
• 38:43
  Except, you know,
• 38:44
  I can kind of boss him
• 38:46
  around a little more.
• 38:47
  Max, I have to, you know,
• 38:49
  be a little more professional.
• 38:52
  So,
• 38:53
  the only time I saw Max get emotional
• 38:55
  when I talked to him was
• 38:57
  when we talked about Taylor Swift.
• 38:59
  Yes, he, like, right now, I saw that.
• 39:02
  Yeah, so...
• 39:04
  Leah, actually,
• 39:05
  I had these like little
• 39:06
  ideas to kind of occupy our
• 39:09
  time when we were in
• 39:10
  between events or killing time.
• 39:12
  So Leah made Taylor Swift
• 39:13
  trivia for him and his wife.
• 39:15
  And they have some work to do.
• 39:19
  I told Leah, I'm like,
• 39:20
  make it hard because
• 39:21
  they're like top five fans.
• 39:24
  Not only did she do Taylor Swift trivia,
• 39:25
  she did CrossFit trivia for
• 39:27
  like the whole group that you were with.
• 39:29
  Yeah.
• 39:29
  You know, the...
• 39:30
  let's call it the southland
• 39:31
  crew like brandon and his
• 39:32
  wife are all there so she
• 39:34
  had a pretty good crossfit
• 39:36
  trivia that she sent there
• 39:37
  yeah it's cool it's always
• 39:39
  a family so speaking of
• 39:41
  family the southland group
• 39:42
  has become a family of
• 39:44
  yours oh yeah yeah um I had
• 39:46
  brandon on last night and
• 39:48
  he talked about how you've
• 39:49
  become an integral part and
• 39:51
  are part of the planning
• 39:53
  and uh he relies on you so much
• 39:57
  So here you are at this
• 39:59
  iconic place in California
• 40:02
  where the games used to be held.
• 40:04
  And you have Scott Tetlow, Brandon Luckett,
• 40:07
  Max Krieg, Bill Leahy,
• 40:12
  all there hanging out.
• 40:15
  When you're there competing,
• 40:18
  is it still a family?
• 40:20
  Or do they kind of go to
• 40:21
  their separate corners?
• 40:23
  for the weekend?
• 40:24
  No, it truly felt like a family.
• 40:27
  I got so many hugs.
• 40:29
  I loved hanging out with Scott.
• 40:31
  He's such a great guy.
• 40:32
  I missed the briefing
• 40:35
  because I was flying in
• 40:36
  late and they changed the
• 40:38
  run for the event one,
• 40:40
  kind of last minute,
• 40:41
  and Scott is the one who
• 40:43
  took me to the new course to see it.
• 40:46
  Yes, they're competitors on the field,
• 40:48
  but everybody wants to do their best.
• 40:52
  And like Brandon said yesterday,
• 40:55
  they just push each other.
• 40:57
  They set the standard,
• 40:58
  and they have their
• 40:59
  strengths and their weaknesses,
• 41:01
  and they just use that to
• 41:02
  really make each other better.
• 41:04
  a better athlete yeah so
• 41:06
  yeah it was it was really
• 41:07
  great to be with the crew
• 41:09
  um roy uh was uh brandon's
• 41:11
  coach so roy and I oh my
• 41:13
  gosh we were like like this
• 41:15
  is stressful because it's a
• 41:17
  big deal like the countdown
• 41:20
  of what before they
• 41:20
  announced who made it like
• 41:22
  I think roy and I were like
• 41:24
  like this we're like
• 41:25
  sweating we're like you
• 41:27
  know he was texting us all
• 41:29
  I have to say is so I was
• 41:30
  keeping score from
• 41:33
  remotely in ohio and I had a
• 41:34
  spreadsheet with all the
• 41:36
  scores so I technically
• 41:38
  knew before they announced
• 41:40
  I was like all right
• 41:41
  brandon's good but it's not
• 41:43
  until you hear it that's
• 41:45
  what you're like anyways
• 41:46
  yeah so no it was really
• 41:48
  great it was a great
• 41:49
  experience that's cool well
• 41:50
  the part about that weight
• 41:51
  and every athlete I've
• 41:52
  talked to that weight is
• 41:53
  just miserable but there
• 41:56
  are there could be a
• 41:57
  penalty there could be an
• 41:59
  appeal there could be
• 42:01
  And so what you think
• 42:02
  happened on the floor may
• 42:03
  not have happened and you're waiting
• 42:07
  And I swear your brain just like,
• 42:09
  like you look at the
• 42:10
  leaderboard and then you,
• 42:12
  you have so many thoughts
• 42:13
  going through your mind that you like,
• 42:15
  I don't want to rely on my
• 42:16
  math and I will not be the
• 42:18
  one to tell Brandon he made it.
• 42:20
  And then something is not
• 42:22
  right or the opposite, you know?
• 42:24
  So it's just like, everybody kind of knows,
• 42:26
  but nobody is certain until
• 42:29
  that is announced.
• 42:30
  So, yeah.
• 42:31
  Yeah.
• 42:32
  It's.
• 42:33
  And I think like the masters
• 42:35
  don't get that feel because
• 42:37
  You do it at home and you
• 42:38
  wait for the leaderboard to be released,
• 42:40
  right?
• 42:41
  And then you wait two more
• 42:42
  weeks through video review,
• 42:43
  which who knows what's
• 42:44
  going to happen there.
• 42:45
  I have told my listeners repeatedly,
• 42:49
  the best time to go watch
• 42:50
  CrossFit Live is at the semifinals.
• 42:53
  Way more tension, way more stress,
• 42:56
  and everybody's accessible.
• 42:58
  Everybody's hanging out.
• 43:00
  At the games,
• 43:00
  they have everybody on lockdown.
• 43:02
  Yeah, they do.
• 43:03
  You know, where they're like,
• 43:04
  everybody's just hanging out,
• 43:05
  having a good time until Sunday.
• 43:08
  And then it becomes really
• 43:09
  tense and you're watching it all,
• 43:13
  especially this year with that last event,
• 43:15
  fall apart on that last event.
• 43:18
  Especially this year too,
• 43:19
  with being kind of like day
• 43:22
  three had just as many
• 43:23
  points up for grabs than
• 43:25
  the previous two days.
• 43:26
  So, you know, it was like,
• 43:30
  like there was nothing set
• 43:31
  in stone until maybe for
• 43:34
  some people at the top,
• 43:35
  but like there's a lot of
• 43:36
  movement that could happen on day three.
• 43:39
  So yeah, it was, it was fun.
• 43:41
  So my last question is about
• 43:43
  this is do you have other
• 43:44
  athletes or do I have to go
• 43:45
  interview a bunch of people
• 43:46
  until I find out?
• 43:48
  Nope.
• 43:48
  That is the only elite athlete.
• 43:50
  I have other athletes that
• 43:52
  are not as competitive, um,
• 43:55
  but are more like local competitive, um,
• 43:58
  working athletes, so yeah.
• 44:00
  Okay,
• 44:01
  so do you have plans for Max in the
• 44:03
  off season to do maybe some
• 44:05
  of the bigger events?
• 44:07
  Yeah,
• 44:07
  so we actually just met on Monday to
• 44:09
  talk about some of those dates.
• 44:12
  He is kind of looking at the
• 44:13
  calendar and prioritizing
• 44:14
  some events he may want to do.
• 44:17
  One that we're looking at is
• 44:18
  the Desert City Classic.
• 44:20
  I'm biased towards that
• 44:21
  because I know that what's
• 44:22
  got behind the programming
• 44:24
  is going to be amazing.
• 44:26
  Like it's going to be a
• 44:27
  really good test of fitness.
• 44:29
  And if there was like an
• 44:30
  open or a master's division,
• 44:32
  Rudy would be doing it too.
• 44:34
  But yeah,
• 44:36
  I am encouraging Max to do that one.
• 44:38
  And it's at the same
• 44:39
  location as Legends was last year.
• 44:42
  Oh, okay.
• 44:43
  I didn't realize that.
• 44:44
  I knew it was in the same city,
• 44:46
  but I didn't know the venue was the same.
• 44:48
  Yeah,
• 44:48
  actually Desert City tested it first.
• 44:51
  Okay.
• 44:52
  Then Legends went their second.
• 44:55
  And I think they both signed
• 44:56
  a two-year contract.
• 44:58
  I do remember that.
• 44:59
  And I think it would be
• 45:00
  really cool to see if he
• 45:02
  wants to do Rogue.
• 45:05
  So yeah, some maybe big things.
• 45:07
  A little Scotland trip.
• 45:09
  Hey, I tell him, like,
• 45:10
  I got to go to that.
• 45:12
  You need your coach there.
• 45:14
  Of course he does.
• 45:16
  Rogue pays for the athlete
• 45:17
  to go if you make it.
• 45:19
  It would be really cool.
• 45:23
  So now we're back to Rudy.
• 45:27
  You've won it two times in a row,
• 45:29
  but you're getting old in this division.
• 45:32
  I know.
• 45:33
  I know.
• 45:33
  And there's a lot of guys,
• 45:35
  young guys coming up from the 35 to 39,
• 45:37
  which is a really competitive age group.
• 45:41
  Does that give you pause, stress?
• 45:44
  It gives me more fire, honestly.
• 45:46
  I can't settle for where I
• 45:48
  was at last year or the year before.
• 45:50
  I know.
• 45:51
  I have to keep pushing my
• 45:53
  fitness and keep progressing, which, yeah,
• 45:56
  when the years start to tick on,
• 45:58
  it gets more challenging,
• 45:59
  but I'm not concerned.
• 46:01
  We just add 15 minutes to the warm-up.
• 46:04
  We just warm up a lot longer.
• 46:05
  No joke.
• 46:07
  A lot more warm up.
• 46:08
  And it just, it makes it to where,
• 46:11
  you know, we're very detail oriented,
• 46:13
  but we focus on more and more details.
• 46:15
  And there's just more things
• 46:16
  that you can uncover, you know,
• 46:18
  from recovery and nutrition
• 46:19
  and just balancing the
• 46:21
  stress load of work and
• 46:23
  family and exercise.
• 46:25
  So I know how data driven you guys are.
• 46:29
  It's hard when you keep
• 46:31
  winning to figure out where
• 46:33
  you need to be.
• 46:35
  And the target is moving now, right?
• 46:37
  It is.
• 46:37
  You're getting older.
• 46:38
  Younger kids are coming up
• 46:39
  into your division.
• 46:41
  Do you dip down into 35 to
• 46:43
  39 to see kind of what's
• 46:44
  happening so that you have a target?
• 46:48
  Or do you just worry about
• 46:50
  yourself and getting better?
• 46:52
  I think personally, I, you know,
• 46:55
  what we do is, you know,
• 46:56
  after a competition,
• 46:57
  whether in live or online,
• 47:01
  we debrief and we pick
• 47:03
  those things that weren't as successful.
• 47:06
  And, you know, maybe two years ago,
• 47:08
  I was fine with, you know,
• 47:10
  how many double-unders I could string.
• 47:12
  But like this year, I said, hey,
• 47:14
  I felt more fatigued on
• 47:15
  those than I feel I should have.
• 47:17
  I wasn't the most competitive.
• 47:19
  We need to dig into those.
• 47:20
  And so it's really,
• 47:21
  it's almost like what
• 47:23
  Glassman and Castro say, where it's like,
• 47:25
  all right, if you get good at something,
• 47:27
  start back over on the fundamentals.
• 47:30
  And if you want to get better,
• 47:31
  it's like you have to start,
• 47:32
  deconstruct it,
• 47:34
  and start from the
• 47:35
  beginning again to then progress.
• 47:37
  So that's really what we're doing.
• 47:38
  And that also keeps it more
• 47:41
  fun and interesting, too.
• 47:42
  And I will say, on the data point,
• 47:46
  I think like something that
• 47:48
  I've done and it's because
• 47:50
  until the leaderboard is final,
• 47:51
  I can't relax because it's just, you know,
• 47:55
  it's a waiting process.
• 47:57
  I do like compare his scores
• 47:59
  to the 35 to 39.
• 48:00
  So kind of get an idea of
• 48:02
  would he have moved on if
• 48:04
  he was in that age group?
• 48:05
  So I can't say that I do
• 48:07
  that a lot or do it consistently,
• 48:09
  but every once in a while
• 48:11
  there might be an event that I'm like,
• 48:12
  Hi,
• 48:13
  I wonder how he would have ranked in
• 48:14
  this younger age group.
• 48:16
  So, but yeah,
• 48:17
  it's not something that we do
• 48:18
  all the time.
• 48:20
  So my last question about
• 48:21
  data is for the last couple of years,
• 48:24
  it's either my boss or Dave
• 48:25
  that have done the
• 48:26
  programming for your CrossFit Games.
• 48:29
  This year it is Bob and Joe.
• 48:32
  Correct.
• 48:35
  Do you go back and look at
• 48:36
  the legends workouts?
• 48:39
  I know our stats and info person, Holly,
• 48:42
  which you guys have become-
• 48:44
  Holly is amazing.
• 48:45
  Yeah.
• 48:46
  So she actually posted like
• 48:48
  all the legends modalities,
• 48:51
  all the legends timeframes, all that.
• 48:54
  Do you look at that data
• 48:55
  more than what you've seen at the games?
• 48:58
  So to be honest,
• 48:59
  I haven't dug into that yet,
• 49:02
  but I probably will a
• 49:04
  little bit more as we get closer.
• 49:08
  Yeah,
• 49:10
  we probably need a long time to talk
• 49:12
  about this,
• 49:13
  because I have a lot of
• 49:14
  opinions on this topic.
• 49:17
  But what I'm trusting is
• 49:19
  that there's collaboration
• 49:21
  to make the tests really balanced.
• 49:34
  right now like I said hasn't
• 49:36
  been a huge focus but
• 49:38
  definitely as the season
• 49:40
  gets a little bit more
• 49:42
  critical towards games
• 49:43
  preparation we'll look at
• 49:45
  past events and just maybe
• 49:47
  pick up some trends or you
• 49:49
  know potential movements
• 49:51
  that we haven't tested but
• 49:53
  at the end of the day we
• 49:54
  want to be balanced you
• 49:55
  know the tests are going to
• 49:57
  be what they're going to be and
• 50:00
  We can't predict that.
• 50:01
  So trying to stay as
• 50:04
  balanced as possible is
• 50:05
  going to be the goal.
• 50:07
  So my last question on
• 50:08
  programming is the games
• 50:11
  seem to be going back to
• 50:12
  cross-finish type workouts.
• 50:14
  Yeah.
• 50:14
  Back to like 2014, 2015 era style.
• 50:20
  Is that better for you guys
• 50:22
  or do you like the newer
• 50:24
  let's throw in some new
• 50:25
  stuff here and there?
• 50:28
  I mean.
• 50:28
  What do you think?
• 50:31
  I don't think I care that much.
• 50:35
  I roll with it.
• 50:37
  Let's go classic.
• 50:38
  Let's go new.
• 50:41
  The only thing I will say is
• 50:42
  I'm not a huge fan of
• 50:44
  overly creative things just
• 50:46
  to make it weird.
• 50:49
  I think just keep it to what
• 50:52
  really needs to be tested.
• 50:53
  Make it challenging,
• 50:54
  but nothing so weird that it's just...
• 50:58
  Almost unsafe.
• 50:59
  You know, that's where I draw the line.
• 51:01
  Like, let's test the fitness,
• 51:03
  keep it safe.
• 51:04
  Yeah.
• 51:05
  It has to come down to a test of fitness,
• 51:07
  not who can figure this out, which,
• 51:10
  you know, we've experienced that.
• 51:12
  So there is some form of
• 51:13
  athleticism about figuring it out.
• 51:16
  Sure.
• 51:16
  Do you think you're strong in athleticism?
• 51:19
  Um, yeah.
• 51:22
  I think under pressure,
• 51:25
  I will say three years ago,
• 51:28
  probably not as much.
• 51:30
  Three years ago,
• 51:31
  let's say he had in his
• 51:33
  head that he was going to
• 51:34
  do a set of 10 of something.
• 51:37
  And he got up there and did
• 51:38
  two and came down.
• 51:40
  That was more like, oh,
• 51:41
  that didn't go to plan.
• 51:43
  Less ability to pivot and kind of adapt.
• 51:47
  Obviously, as we got serious...
• 51:49
  Adapting is a critical part of the game.
• 51:52
  So,
• 51:53
  I would say he's been getting a lot of
• 51:54
  practice doing that over the years.
• 51:56
  So,
• 51:57
  people I would say are strong in
• 51:58
  athleticism are like Scott Pancheck,
• 52:00
  like Dan Bailey, like Paige Semenza,
• 52:05
  Carolyn Prevost.
• 52:06
  These are people that played
• 52:07
  other sports their whole lives.
• 52:09
  They're going to slide under a pole.
• 52:11
  They're going to... Yeah.
• 52:12
  Right.
• 52:13
  Do you have that in you?
• 52:16
  I think I do.
• 52:17
  Yeah.
• 52:18
  Cutting?
• 52:20
  I mean,
• 52:21
  my hips may get a little sore at
• 52:24
  this age.
• 52:25
  As long as you have an hour to warm up.
• 52:27
  As long as I warm up for an hour.
• 52:28
  I would say if volleyball
• 52:30
  shows up at the games,
• 52:31
  we might be in trouble.
• 52:33
  We may have to add some
• 52:34
  volleyball drills just in case.
• 52:37
  What else?
• 52:38
  Softball maybe?
• 52:39
  Softball, yeah.
• 52:41
  Oh, football throws.
• 52:42
  Please don't put those in the games.
• 52:44
  That would not.
• 52:45
  We may have to like FaceTime
• 52:46
  Scott for like a urgent tutorial.
• 52:51
  Yeah,
• 52:51
  I don't think any throws are coming
• 52:52
  back ever again after the softball throw.
• 52:55
  You were a wrestler growing up, right?
• 52:58
  I was.
• 53:00
  Brandon and I talked about
• 53:01
  that a lot last night.
• 53:01
  The correlation of pain
• 53:03
  threshold and being a
• 53:05
  wrestler and there are a lot of
• 53:08
  really good athletes out
• 53:10
  there in the CrossFit space
• 53:11
  who came with that wrestling background.
• 53:13
  Absolutely.
• 53:13
  How much do you attribute to that?
• 53:15
  A lot.
• 53:17
  I mean, so when I was growing up,
• 53:19
  I had three older sisters,
• 53:20
  so I didn't like have a rough household.
• 53:23
  But when I joined wrestling,
• 53:25
  I learned I had this other
• 53:26
  gear or this just
• 53:28
  grittiness of being able to continue
• 53:31
  with a lot of discomfort, right?
• 53:33
  If you're put in a position
• 53:34
  and you're very uncomfortable,
• 53:36
  you gotta fight through it
• 53:37
  and just live with it.
• 53:39
  And what I learned from that
• 53:40
  in wrestling definitely
• 53:42
  plays out in the CrossFit world.
• 53:44
  Yeah, it does.
• 53:45
  Yeah, I say it all the time.
• 53:46
  One of my first ever
• 53:46
  interviews was Chris Feeler,
• 53:48
  who was a college wrestler.
• 53:50
  And he said,
• 53:51
  wrestling is all about being
• 53:52
  in positions that are not comfortable.
• 53:54
  Right.
• 53:55
  And that's what CrossFit is.
• 53:57
  It is.
• 53:58
  It is.
• 53:59
  Yeah.
• 53:59
  Yeah.
• 54:00
  One of the...
• 54:01
  you know, quotes that we bring up often is,
• 54:05
  I think it was Josh Bridges
• 54:06
  basically said, you know,
• 54:08
  things are going to get difficult,
• 54:09
  things are going to get hot,
• 54:11
  things are going to get hard.
• 54:12
  It's basically like when
• 54:13
  things catch on fire,
• 54:15
  you have to be willing to
• 54:16
  run into that fire, not avoid it.
• 54:20
  So that's kind of what I
• 54:21
  think internally when
• 54:22
  things get really hard.
• 54:23
  It's like, all right,
• 54:24
  I either lean in or this
• 54:26
  isn't going to pan out.
• 54:28
  And that's... Well,
• 54:29
  I've witnessed your career
• 54:30
  over the last two years.
• 54:31
  You lean in, and it is fun to watch.
• 54:34
  Thank you.
• 54:35
  I love when you finish a workout,
• 54:36
  and you look, and you're like,
• 54:37
  I don't even remember the
• 54:40
  last 30 seconds.
• 54:41
  That's true.
• 54:43
  I wish I would have gotten
• 54:45
  to watch him wrestle.
• 54:46
  That was way before my time.
• 54:48
  So I have seen pictures,
• 54:50
  but no live wrestling videos or anything.
• 54:54
  Maybe we can get Spieler out of retirement,
• 54:55
  and him and Spieler can go out.
• 54:57
  You know, it's funny.
• 54:59
  At Southland, Brandon would, like,
• 55:01
  kind of wrestle Rudy, and I'm like,
• 55:02
  please don't hurt him.
• 55:03
  Like, he needs to warm up first.
• 55:06
  And then you came up and
• 55:09
  kind of tried to grab him.
• 55:10
  Yeah.
• 55:10
  And he, like, it was a little scary.
• 55:13
  Yeah.
• 55:14
  So the last thing on wrestling,
• 55:15
  I don't know if you saw it.
• 55:16
  They did that live
• 55:18
  quarterfinals with Colton, Jason.
• 55:22
  And all those guys.
• 55:23
  And Colton,
• 55:24
  and Jason tried to wrestle Colton.
• 55:26
  Yes.
• 55:27
  Yes.
• 55:28
  And Colton dropped him quick.
• 55:31
  And seeing that little guy
• 55:32
  take down that big,
• 55:33
  tall football player was
• 55:35
  really impressive.
• 55:36
  That's awesome.
• 55:37
  Those wrestlers are gritty.
• 55:39
  We don't mess around.
• 55:40
  Yeah.
• 55:41
  That dude shows as much grit
• 55:42
  as anybody out there.
• 55:44
  It's all about that wrestling background.
• 55:45
  Yeah.
• 55:47
  Well, guys, as always,
• 55:48
  it's always a treat hanging out with you.
• 55:51
  I'm so glad you live so
• 55:52
  close and that we can do
• 55:53
  this all the time.
• 55:54
  But I can't wait to see you at the games.
• 55:56
  Yeah.
• 55:58
  And hopefully we'll have
• 55:58
  some backstage access to
• 56:00
  get some of your thoughts
• 56:02
  post-workout and in the
• 56:03
  warm-up area and stuff.
• 56:04
  That would be great.
• 56:05
  Awesome.
• 56:07
  Well, thanks, guys.