Latest / Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo / Gary McKibben: America Can Relate - Ireland Needs Biblical Churches
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- 0:00Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
- 0:10defending biblical Christianity.
- 0:13No topic, off limits.
- 0:16And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
- 0:19Hey friends, family and Christ, thanks for tuning in again, and we've got a special
- 0:24treat for you today.
- 0:25We're going over to Ireland.
- 0:27And we're going to be talking to Pastor Gary McKibben.
- 0:29He's at Victory Church in Belfast, and he's lead pastor there.
- 0:35He's got a degree in modern history from Queens University, Belfast, and also he's got
- 0:40a love for Christian apologetics.
- 0:42Well, it's interesting about his bio.
- 0:44He's a former professional kickboxing champion and master in the art of Juditsu with seventh
- 0:52degree black belt, Hall of Fame inductions, and lots of titles and awards.
- 0:57And that's interesting because he likes to focus and teach on spiritual warfare.
- 1:01So this guy's a fighter, the good fight of faith.
- 1:04We love it.
- 1:05Victory Church also, though, has on its premises a martial art studio helping bullied children.
- 1:12I love that.
- 1:13We'll talk a little bit more about that.
- 1:15And he also birthed Victory Street Church, which equips others to go out to the streets and
- 1:21preach and teach and feed those in need.
- 1:24So about four years ago, Pastor Gary and his wife, Kelly, started a small food bank in
- 1:30the East Belfast area to help those struggling.
- 1:33And we'll let him talk about that as well.
- 1:35I think that's part of the work of the church, right?
- 1:37Make disciples.
- 1:38Share the gospel, equip the saints, feed the hungry and on and on and on.
- 1:41He's the father of five children.
- 1:43And the blessing of that is they all love Jesus.
- 1:46Pastor Gary McKibben, thank you so much for being on World View Matters, brother.
- 1:51Thank you for having me.
- 1:53Well, we want to blame Pete Garcia for this introduction because I reached out to him.
- 1:58I said, how can I get hold of Gary McKibben?
- 2:00So you guys do videos together.
- 2:01In fact, you just did one the other day.
- 2:04The prophetic outlook, you know, you focus on that quite a bit.
- 2:08We'll get to that minute, Gary.
- 2:09But let's talk about your church, Victory Church.
- 2:12And then we'll talk more about your background.
- 2:14How long ago did you start the church?
- 2:16And I just tell us whatever you'd like about Victory.
- 2:20Yeah, we started eight years ago, initially before that, we were running house groups and different things like that.
- 2:30Then we had a train to be a pastor and we decided to just go for it.
- 2:35We didn't have premises.
- 2:36We didn't have financial backing.
- 2:39So what we did is I had a gym.
- 2:42We cornered off and built a room for the church within the gym.
- 2:46And then we moved premises later on and have our own sort of, I guess, more sectioned off part for that.
- 2:54Now, the church itself has an absolute heart for taking the entirety of the Bible,
- 3:02teaching all of the Bible from start to finish.
- 3:05And that's what we do through our Bible study.
- 3:07We, again, like you mentioned, we have a street church where we go out and we went this to the homeless.
- 3:15We, it's all about equipping the saints.
- 3:18That's kind of our heart and our modus operanda that we, we don't want pew sitters.
- 3:23We don't want people just to come for the sake of attendance.
- 3:26We want to build them up in the word.
- 3:28Yeah, we focus very heavily on eschatology.
- 3:33It's kind of the heart behind the church is that we, I guess in these days and these loud as same days,
- 3:41we do not want to be classed as part of the loudest scene section.
- 3:45We want to be purely the church of Philadelphia, faithful and all we do and faithful to his name and faithful to his word.
- 3:54And so, yeah, that the church is, it's growing.
- 4:00We have, like I said, we've got, we've got people out in the street last week.
- 4:05Was some Patrick's Day.
- 4:07So there's a parade going on in the middle of time and art, our church is a mile from the city center.
- 4:14And it was going on at the same time as the church is on.
- 4:16So we had a team might witness and then pray with people on the street and it's a church that is active.
- 4:25And that's the heart behind it.
- 4:27Well, you had me at preaching the whole council of God.
- 4:31And Gary, we need you in America because talk about the leo, the lukewarm leo to see in church.
- 4:38Not every church, but you know, there's, I would even say it's the majority, sadly, has become seeker sensitive.
- 4:45And I don't know what the percentages that do not tackle Bible prophecy.
- 4:51The saints are not being equipped.
- 4:53And by the way, in Ireland, what's the spiritual, like in the environment, like what's the temperature of the church there?
- 5:00I've talked to Pastor Dean Dwyer and others in Australia.
- 5:04And what's it like in Ireland as far as hot with a percentage of real biblical Christians and secularism go ahead?
- 5:13Yeah, it's hard to break down into percentages.
- 5:19And I know that there are other remnant pastors right there, but it is hard.
- 5:25And I remember talking to Brandon Holtz, excuse me, Brandon Holtz, about this.
- 5:31That it was nice to connect with him because you feel kind of isolated.
- 5:36You feel kind of sort of restricted because you're teaching eschatology, because you're teaching the book of revelation.
- 5:44And because you're calling things that are happening and teaching the knowledge word of God.
- 5:51I know as a church, we find other churches, distance themselves from us for that very.
- 5:56Well, I assume it's for that very reason.
- 5:59And I remember telling Brandon a story about an individual who, another pastor here, I was sitting having coffee with.
- 6:08And he said, yeah, I'm on with you 100%.
- 6:13I agree, eschatology, we've got to teach the end times, we've got to equip the saints.
- 6:19And I said, great, we're having a night of prophecy.
- 6:23Bring some of your congregation down and we'll make room for them.
- 6:26And his response was, no, they're not ready for that.
- 6:30And I guess for me, that kind of sums up the spiritual temperature here.
- 6:35There's a remnant who are hungry for the word of God, but there's quite a lot of apostasy growing.
- 6:42And there's quite a lot of wickedness, sort of permeate into the body of Christ.
- 6:48Everything from LGBTQ agenda to the likes of replacement theology to, I guess, capitulating to state over God.
- 7:01And we saw that very heavily through the pandemic.
- 7:04And you know, there was, I know that again, like, where's the church?
- 7:09We had the authorities, we had the police at our doors because we were open.
- 7:15And it was kind of that sort of, for me, that was a dividing point in the body,
- 7:22where you start to see the body that wants to sort of go with the state
- 7:26and the body that wants to, not if her purpose is resisting the state,
- 7:31but want to stay true to the word of God.
- 7:34And it's very reminiscent of history, you know, 160 of BC,
- 7:37you had anti-occupiphanies, an anti-Christ figure,
- 7:42back in dawn to Jerusalem by Hellenistic Jews who were in conflict with Hebrew-believing Jews,
- 7:49you know, Jews who were divided by the Torah.
- 7:52And they were back in dawn by these Hellenistic Jews who wanted to embrace the culture.
- 7:56And I think very much nine days were living in a time in which there's two churches in existence.
- 8:02There's those who want to embrace and fully be subservient to the culture
- 8:07and those who want to remain true to the word of God and the spirit of God.
- 8:12Amen, brother.
- 8:14You know, it sounds so much like the American church, what you were describing.
- 8:17And it is really sad once you start, you expect things out in the world,
- 8:21but once you start seeing things infiltrate the church and worldly agendas and ideologies,
- 8:28it's just a head scratcher.
- 8:29But anyway, in your bio on your church website, I love this.
- 8:35You say, God has been amazing to us on a continual basis.
- 8:38Not only has he healed me of a broken back once, but twice when I attempted to come out of retirement as a fighter.
- 8:46And then you say he healed my son after a terrible third degree burn accident that should have left him scarred.
- 8:52And he has brought us as a family through every trial and given us a testimony each and every time our God is mighty to be praised.
- 9:04So Pastor Gary, before we go on and talk more about Bible prophecy and other things,
- 9:09that's a very important issue.
- 9:11People deal with trials.
- 9:12We all go through trials.
- 9:13Some people more severe health trials and others accidents and other things.
- 9:18And that's what really important what you said, God, he gets us through every time.
- 9:24We just have to trust him, but it's not always fun.
- 9:27And it's hard to consider that a joy when we're going through it.
- 9:29Tell us a little bit about that.
- 9:32Yeah, well, the story of me breaking my back the first time was because I was full of pride.
- 9:41I was running up a wall back summer salting for a class that I was teaching.
- 9:46And I knew I hurt myself the first time and still they were cheering for me to do it again.
- 9:52So I did it again.
- 9:53And I was putting a wheelchair after that.
- 9:56And was in a sort of between a wheelchair and walk and sticks for about a year and a half.
- 10:02Wow.
- 10:03And during all that, my marriage broke down.
- 10:08My wife left me and you know, this is when everything sort of went right down the pond.
- 10:16And you know, everything in my life, Christ.
- 10:19But what it taught me at the time was that I went and actually I would never change any
- 10:25of it for anything because it took me from that stage of having had knowledge about the
- 10:32Bible, but not really walking and telling them and in lockstep with our Lord to actually
- 10:38only be independent on him.
- 10:40And you know, in the Hebrews 1226, it talks about a time of great shaking.
- 10:45It talks about when the heavens will be shaken and the earth will be shaken.
- 10:49But what we're to hold on to is that which is permanent.
- 10:53And I learned this in the midst of that.
- 10:55And I remember, you know, he healed my back, but my marriage was still broken.
- 11:01You know, my wife was living around the corner.
- 11:04She was living in a different house.
- 11:05She didn't want anything to do with me.
- 11:08At this point, she was not saved.
- 11:12We were unequally yoked and not by intention because I got saved on my wedding night, which
- 11:18is all in the sense.
- 11:21But then she saw me getting this sort of true relationship, the only way to put a true
- 11:28in-depth relationship with Jesus.
- 11:31And she turned to me and it was actually funny enough, it was six years to the day of
- 11:37the time I got saved on wedding night.
- 11:39And she asked me up and we talked and she asked to have what I had or who I had.
- 11:46So I got the privilege of leaner to the Lord then.
- 11:48Wow.
- 11:49What I'm saying is that the enemy will throw everything in the kitchen, sink, got you.
- 11:54But if you keep holding on to Jesus, he's going to bring you through and bring you through
- 11:59better.
- 12:00You know, in my experience, it doesn't mean that all things get fixed in a worldly sense.
- 12:04But, you know, you end up gaining that relationship and C.S. Lewis puts it, I'm sure I will twist
- 12:13this or miss up this quote, but in our pleasure, he says, God, whispers, and in our pain,
- 12:22he uses a megaphone and it's always seems to be in those low moments in which you gain
- 12:27that true in-depth relationship with Jesus and it's led me through and it's also like
- 12:32you pointed on before, you know, I do focus in on spiritual warfare and strategy.
- 12:39I think that's a mix between my martial arts training and my martial arts days and even
- 12:44training other world champions, you know, just being able to decipher what's happening
- 12:49and what's coming against them.
- 12:51But you've taken that in the sense of spiritual attack, understanding that there's nothing
- 12:56new under the sun and every spiritual attack works off the same pattern, whether corporately
- 13:01in the world right now or whether in a personal basis.
- 13:05Wow, so much more to get into and we will continue after this brief pause.
- 13:09We're going to talk about victory food bank.
- 13:11You're also writing a new book and we want to hear about that and then you've got a message
- 13:17coming up, biblical prophecy convergence.
- 13:19I want a little teaser on that.
- 13:22That's happening.
- 13:23Looks like June 26.
- 13:24But anyway, we're talking with Pastor Gary McKibbin, Victory Church, Belfast, Ireland
- 13:29and coming up a whole lot more.
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- 14:09So Pastor Gary, tell us about the food bank.
- 14:12How does that work?
- 14:13I know a lot of people do it outside of churches and work with other people that run food
- 14:18banks, but not a lot of churches do it within their own church.
- 14:22So tell us about how that works.
- 14:24Yeah, well, we set that up during the pandemic.
- 14:29And it was one of the things that we noticed that quite a lot of people were actually struggling.
- 14:33You know, they were struggling financially.
- 14:35They were struggling to make ends meet, but also to feed their families.
- 14:40So what we have done is we've sectioned off a part, like a few store rooms within our
- 14:46premises and it purely works through donations.
- 14:50So what we have and the idea behind what we originally called it was the Agabas store.
- 14:56So Agabas was the prophet in Acts 11 and in Acts 21 and he's the one who tells the church
- 15:02that a great famine is coming upon the land upon the Roman Empire and it was the biggest
- 15:07famine the Roman Empire ever saw.
- 15:10And in history, Josephus writes that it was actually the church that stood up and were
- 15:15kind to they were the ones that fed those that were struggling those that were hungry.
- 15:19So that was the heart behind it.
- 15:21And this is what we, like I said, we don't believe in puest settings.
- 15:25So anything we can do to activate the body we will do.
- 15:30So on your website, biblical prophecy, convergence, is that a conference or what is what's going
- 15:37on with that?
- 15:39So what we do, we know that, you know, other people are in other churches and sometimes
- 15:46those churches don't focus in on eschatology.
- 15:49So we like to put evenings together where myself and usually it's a few of the other
- 15:55leadership team will get up and speak and we'll break down certain facets of scripture.
- 16:02So the last one we done there, we went through 42 prophetic convergences.
- 16:10We looked at how they're all sort of happening right now, how they're happening in the last
- 16:13few years, how we're starting at a time right now that is unprecedented, that everything
- 16:20is, you know, we take the prophecies in the Bible, we take the all of it this course.
- 16:25We see the base system being set up in front of us right now.
- 16:29We see the spiritual atmosphere being terraformed into lawlessness for the emergence of the
- 16:36lawless one.
- 16:37So we like to equip this and what we have is people come from other churches.
- 16:42They sit there for a few hours, they go away equipped and analyze them to go back to
- 16:46where they are planted and still be fed in the eschatology sense and still be warned
- 16:54as a watchman should be warned.
- 16:56That's great.
- 16:57You know what?
- 16:58One of the things that we would love to see in America is more churches working together,
- 17:02but boy, that's just so hard.
- 17:04We seem just so splintered and fragmented, I don't know if it's like that in Ireland
- 17:08as well.
- 17:11It's kind of hard when you've got churches that are like the remnant churches, the sound
- 17:14doctrine, prophecy, the whole council of God, spiritual warfare, confronting evil in
- 17:21our culture, you know, and everything that the church is supposed to do in some churches
- 17:24just kind of want to play church.
- 17:26Does that make sense?
- 17:27And the secret sensitive ones, anyway, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole too much,
- 17:34but you have a YouTube channel.
- 17:36Yesterday you had a video with Pete Garcia.
- 17:40Tell us about that and where your YouTube channel is.
- 17:43How can people find it?
- 17:44Yeah, it's if you simply type in Pastor Gary McKibbin, it'll come up or Pastor Gary McKibbin
- 17:51at the factory.
- 17:52And we've had the likes of Brandon Holtai's song.
- 17:55We've had Pete has been on numerous times now.
- 17:59I think what we're doing is this regular thing trying to, and again, it's the same purposes
- 18:04those convergence nights and those prophecy nights.
- 18:08It's to equip the saints.
- 18:11Next week we have Derek Gilbert from five in ten and Skywatch TV on and we have Mondo
- 18:19Gonzalez from Prophecy Watchers on next Thursday.
- 18:22And again, it's a resource for everyone.
- 18:26Praise God.
- 18:27Again, that's over on YouTube.
- 18:29You go search them out, guys, PR stands for Pastor Gary McKibbin at Victory on YouTube.
- 18:36So you've been writing a new book.
- 18:38When you sent me that email last night, brother, I just, my spirit shouted.
- 18:42I didn't shout out loud, but I said, yes, I mean, this has to be talked about because
- 18:47I sent you back a brief reply that we have this idea, not, I don't know who we is, but
- 18:53I think a lot of believers have this idea that the church has got to be on defense because
- 18:59we're being assaulted.
- 19:00The biblical worldview is under attack.
- 19:02Israel is under attack.
- 19:04The true church is under attack.
- 19:05And Christians are and the pro-life movement is, but the Bible says something about putting
- 19:11up the whole armor of God using the sword of the spirit, which is our offensive weapon.
- 19:16And also, what's this concept of storming the gates of hell, gates are defensive.
- 19:21So break this down and talk to us about your new book, Gary.
- 19:26Well, the, the way we think about it in Matthew 16, 18, Jesus gives a, it reveals the prophecy,
- 19:32the prophecy is revealed, or the revelation is revealed to Peter of who Jesus is.
- 19:36And on Paul, not the church is built, and he says the gates of hell, talking about
- 19:40standing front of the key of the palm, the gates of hell shall not prevail against his church.
- 19:45Now, the only way the gates could prevail are for the gates to crack open.
- 19:49And now the gates won't fully open until the time of the translation, but there are points
- 19:55within history in which we see destruction and devastation come across the world.
- 20:00If we were to take what represents spiritually destruction, it would be the fallen angel,
- 20:06Abadon of Revelation chapter 9, and he is known as the destroyer.
- 20:11And when we look at this, I believe that there is a mark.
- 20:15You can see the cracking of the gates of hell in terms of the atmosphere
- 20:21being changed into kind of a hellscape, lawlessness increasing, wickedness increasing.
- 20:26What Jesus talks about now, all of a discourse, the growth of deception, the pestilence and disease,
- 20:32all of these are signs of the cracking of the gates.
- 20:35Now, the gates of hell will only swing open when the church, the restrainer,
- 20:39the Holy Spirit filled church, who are supposed to be salt and light, guardians of the gate,
- 20:44are removed. But there are times in history in which we have seen more destruction come on
- 20:50the same. And one of the things that I noticed is this has always been in terms of, I guess if you
- 20:57took a satanic approach to this, if you were talking about a spiritual attack, there are people
- 21:03of honor right now who are satanically minded. If we went back, for instance, and if you don't mind,
- 21:10do this in about a minute, if you dress up, I'll give you the powder. In 1907, you had
- 21:17Alistair Crowley, the father of modern satanism. And he in 1907 had a summoning ceremony.
- 21:26And the whole point of the summoning ceremony was to some who he called, or to someone who he
- 21:31called the angel of the deep, or the demon of the abyss. Now, the revelation chapter 9,
- 21:38John identifies that as Abadon, the destroyer. Now, what happens is he claims that he defeated
- 21:44this angel in all of this. Absolute nonsense. Complete another, you know, ego, my trip in all of
- 21:52this. But seven years later, seven years after this, World War One, break sight, devastation across
- 21:59the world. Then we go to 1933. And in 1933, Hitt Adolf Hitler has a summoning ceremony with his
- 22:09satanic influencer, Hannusson, and Hannusson, and then do the summoning ceremony. And what happens
- 22:15is six years later, you get World War Two, you can already see a powder, seven, six. Then you go
- 22:22to 1996. And we know in your country that it was already exposed that Hillary Clinton performed a
- 22:32summoning ceremony and had an occult summoning ceremony within the White House. Then we go seven,
- 22:38six, five years later, from 1996 is 2001 and 9, 11 happens. So when I'm talking about his
- 22:45devastation destruction coming across the world. So we've got seven years, 1907 to 1914,
- 22:52six years, 1933 to 1939, five years, 1996 to 2001. In 2016,
- 23:01Surn opened, and they had this massive occult ceremony. And again, it's called a pot that is
- 23:10based on the old village of Apollion, the temple of Apollion. And what happens four years later
- 23:17than from that is the pandemic 2020. So you've got seven, six, five, four. Then in 2022,
- 23:26you had the commonwealth games. And they had an open and ceremony where they brought
- 23:31the ball worship to the media screens to the screen to the world. So three years later,
- 23:382025. No, I'm not, you know, dead centers with rapture. And I don't believe in any of that.
- 23:44But I do believe that there is a satanic attempt to try and crack open the gates and cause more
- 23:50destruction. And you've got things like global governance 2025. You've got the idea of,
- 23:56you know, World War Three being floated around, conscription being talked about in the UK.
- 24:03All of these things and 2025, I personally believe will mark a time in which you will see an
- 24:09increase of destruction. And it'll be worldwide. But I think that the whole point to this is in
- 24:16each one of those, there's been a passivity that has happened in terms of the church. And
- 24:23pre-World War One, there was the growth of the new Romantics, there's the growth of Satanism
- 24:27as a world view, Madem Blavatsky and all of this. Then you get to World War Two. When World War Two
- 24:35happened, one of the things that Bonhoeffer quotes for the Holocaust being allowed was
- 24:40cheap grace within the church. Yeah. You know, when we get to 1996, when he gets to 2016,
- 24:48you can see that that that that Christianity has been removed from the schools,
- 24:53prayers been removed from the classroom. It's been removed from the business, please. It's been
- 24:57removed from the marketplace. You can't talk about it. People are trying to restrict you.
- 25:02And the thing is, is that we are not meant to be silent and we are supposed to stand up and be
- 25:08counted. We are called into the kingdom and we're called as kingdom warriors. And as such,
- 25:14we've got to be aware of the strategy, but we've got to continue to be salt and light. So right now,
- 25:19you're seeing censorship laws all the way across the world. Increase Irish hate crime bill,
- 25:25Scottish hate crime bill, Canadian seethricks, 367, Australian bills, South African bills,
- 25:31all targeting the Christian to censor us and silence us. Yeah. Well, we've got to lie there.
- 25:38So sorry, I was slightly more than a minute. I try to do it fast.
- 25:43Oh my goodness, brother. This book sounds wonderful. I know you're still in the process of writing
- 25:49correct. And do you have a title for it? Yeah, it's called Guardians of the Gate. There it is.
- 25:54And the old point. Yeah. And the point to it again is for people to step into their role,
- 26:01there is no such thing in the book of acts as pure sitters. We are meant to occupy the space
- 26:07until we're removed. We're meant to be salt and light and restrainers. Oh my goodness.
- 26:12We could we could do a whole other podcast on how the application of Christians being salt and
- 26:19light in the darkness and preserving influence and culture in our countries. Pastor Gary McKibbin,
- 26:27so your church, by the way, I don't think I gave out the website. It's victory church bellfast.com.
- 26:35Victory church bellfast.com. They've got a Facebook page. You want to look that up and search
- 26:40that out. Find Pastor Gary on his YouTube channel as well. Pastor Gary McKibbin at victory. Brother,
- 26:48I'm so glad for to Pete Garcia for connecting us. And you know, we trouble makers for the kingdom
- 26:54of God have to stick together. And it's a pleasure to have you on World View Matters. Thank you so
- 26:59much, brother. Thank you for having me. Yeah, Lord willing to be continued. Guys, thank you again for
- 27:05sharing the podcast. It's getting out there and it really is growing and praise God and thank you.
- 27:10God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.