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Our advanced TECHNIQUES will have you DROWNING in WOMEN! | Maintaining Frame 78 · Honey Badger Radio

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Greetings everyone, Welcome to the Honey Badger Radio. This what would you say,
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greetings, yes, greetings, greetings. I was just I was just
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reiterating the green Yes, yeah, big g greetings and welcome to Honey Badger
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Radio. You may have noticed that I've done a little little reorganizing. I
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move some things around so that the chat gets a prominent position on the screen,
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and that way you guys can see each other interacting, and also those
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of you guys who are rumble can be a part of the action. I
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believe that rumble me just drop some some gifts in there so that they will
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show up. Yes, they do work, and people on Twitch and d
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live and even I don't know how Twitter's chat works or Facebook's chat works,
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but yeah, all of it. So, yeah, it's a little you
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know, it does something. They have a different system, but the Facebook's
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chat is byzantine. Yeah, I'm fairly certain there's at least twelve different forms
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of chat on Facebook. Yeah, it's weird. When I was testing this
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social stream Ninja, I would type test into super social stream Ninja, which
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is what I'm using to merge all the chats together. And so if I
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put in a test in there. It'll send that message to every you know,
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destination, so it'll be it'll show up on the Twitch chat, it'll
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show up in the Rumble chat, show up in the YouTube chat. But
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it shows up in every comment section on Facebook. So there's random like posts
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on Facebook that say test by me, Like, I don't even know why
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that is. So Facebook's got a weird I'm testing everything at once, basically
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is what on Facebook. And I don't know how to connect Twitter, so
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I can't sweat that right now. But hopefully there are people watching on Twitter.
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Slash x Yeah see there's some cool doges in the chat will feature them
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so you guys can see there's Mangaka ninety two and uh yeah, but it
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should be. It's an ongoing process, it is, but you know,
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it looks good. I'm happy with the treasure. The treasure is the test
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comments we leave all over the place for people to boggle at in fifty years
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along the way. Mm hmm. That's that's the reward, is it?
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The treasure? The treasure was the we made alone. Oh it's the the
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real blank are the friends we made out along the way? Yeah? Oh
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yeah, the real something? Whatever? It is. The technical difficulties we
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dealt with along the way. Okay, all right, but anyway we're gonna
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be Yeah, so we're gonna be getting to this video, which I will
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be showing with you guys in a moment. It is from a YouTuber named
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Chris Williamson, and he talks I don't know how we started off, but
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I think it wasn't The rabbit Hole is currently in, which is essentially men
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masculinity, dating, gender relations, things like that, and he is talking
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to Allison's good friend Alex date psych So you know, I never would have
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predicted that I would be getting into it with a dating coach. Yeah.
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Well, it's in fact, I went up to bat for the pickup artists,
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Like, however many years ago. I'm like, you know, they're
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just helping guys be social. They got a bit of a broie language,
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but it's not like what they're doing is really that bad when you look at
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it and everybody's like, oh, they're the devil, and then of course
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all the insults are the devil. All Yeah, Now the pickup artists and
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the dating coats are going after the in cell. Oh, by the way,
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I apologize if he's picking up any sounds in the kitchen. My husband
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is making lef sack. I don't hear anything that is Norwegian potato fat fat
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flat bread. Yeah, so that's that's gonna be the sounds being picked up
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by the mic. But yeah, I didn't really expect this to get into
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an argument with a dating coach of all things. But he's essentially shaming men
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for being afraid of the current landscape or having any kind of negative feeling towards
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the current dating landscape, even though the current dating landscape, let's face it,
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is controlled by feminist initiatives. Mm hm, you know, and they
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don't particularly like men, or at least they don't like heterosexuality. So that's
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true, you know. Okay, so I should do my thing, right,
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Brian the thing? Yeah, do your thing, and then I have
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already I got a super child from our last maintaining frame that I'll read out.
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But you go ahead and do your thing, and then we'll get into
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it. All right. So if you want to send us a message anytime
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we're not screaming into the void about these issues. And maybe maybe the best
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way to approach this is not to continue to shame men for being afraid of
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an environment that feminists and feminist initiatives are deliberately making more and more perilous for
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them. I just I just got this too much peril. It's too much
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peril for you. Galahad. No, No, not Galahad. Uh you
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don't you personally? No, no. You've seen the Knights of the Holy
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Grail, right, Oh it's been a long time, but I know the
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Money Python and the Holy Grail. Yeah, money Python, the Holy Grail.
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Yeah, the the Castle Anthrax, which is their holy Braille shape beacon
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which they set a light and they oh yeah it was Galahad. I'm pretty
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sure it was Galahad. The Chase, and it was the oh yeah,
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yeah Maiden and nineteen and a half to twenty one or something. Yeah,
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and then this banking Okay, sorry, that was a ridiculous. Aside,
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go watch it though it's hilarious. It'd probably be a lot more fun than
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listening to dating coaches. But anyway, what was I going to say?
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All Right, so if you want to avoid that, send us a message
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through feed Thebadger dot com slash uh just the tip. Actually, I think
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I think I finished that, and I was getting into, you know,
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instead of telling men that their their cowards for not facing the peril, yeah,
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maybe we should start telling feminists to make it a little less perilous.
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Yeah, I mean they tell us, you know, feminists tell us we
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want to make it. I mean the feminists who are doing the initiatives.
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I'm not talking about coffee shop feminists who don't know anything about feminism, let's
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face it. I mean talking about the ones who got their fingers on I
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don't know, the blackmail material for legislators and they're using it to get what
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they want done. Talking about those feminists, the ones with power, the
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ones with influence, the ones with a voice. They want to make dating
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as difficult as possible for men in the hopes of preventing rape. How that
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works, I don't know. I mean, they want to have control over
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these cultural landscapes, and presumably it's because they say they're going to prevent rape.
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So even though there's never been a study that's made a causal connection between
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rape jokes and rape, feminists are there providing the censorship that will end.
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Oh, I just got us demonetized it as grape. Oh I don't.
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Oh whatever, We're not monetized anyway, that's true. Yeah, I don't
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even know what you're talking about. All Right, Well let's let's let's watch,
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okay, beginning I got us. Yeah, we're going to well I'm
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at the beginning, but I'm gonna I was gonna offer up like what we
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could go through because it's like a one hour and forty minute podcast. We're
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not doing the whole thing. But before we get into that, I'm going
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to Uh, I got a super chow from before that I would like to
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read out. So, uh, that's the first thing I want to do.
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And so then this is from well the person, This is a super
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chowd I was sent to our discord a couple of days ago, and it's
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from it, says maintaining frame seventy five. Women do not understand numbers.
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They gave us five dollars, thank you, and they say, I have
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an additional point to support Brian's theory that women do not understand numbers, such
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as the six sixty six, six foot tall, six inch penis or six
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pack six figure salary. Feminists frequently accused men of competing with each other based
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on salary, arguing that men use their salaries as a score to see who
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comes out on top. This is feminist projection. Yes, there are some
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men that engage in that, like dick measuring stuff. But I think generally
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though, you know, a guy who is mentally healthy will not compete with
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other men, but rather, especially if he works with them, they will
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essentially compete with each other in a way that brings the best out of each
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other and then they all kind of win. Right, So, I mean
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that's what I think, and is it and yeah, that's the whole that's
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what we want to Well, that's the thing right where right now we the
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climate is such that men all have to one up each other to prove that
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they're not like, you know, horrible human beings because of the feminist culture
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we live in. So it's it does put them at each other's throats.
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So it's not just that it creates an animosity or at least like a needless
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extra animosity between men and women, but it also makes animosity between men and
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men and women and women because the women will purity test each other for like
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their you know, their piousness with regards to the sisterhood, and they will
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attack each other if they deviate because that's what they've been brainwashed into, and
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the men will do the same. They will you know, they go around
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holding each other accountable for everything, and that's what's promoted. Do you remember
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that may make you more uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah, I mean they hold
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each other. They're playing a game of who's the one good men? Right,
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Yeah, Like they're like we were seeing with the with the oh what
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was that jubilee where he had the feminist men who were basically their entire relationship
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with other men was competitive. So the one guy was like, I'm the
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I'm gonna protect my women folk from other men because other men are awful and
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predatory, and the other guy was like, well, I'm the one with
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the most Pokemon. Look, I have the gender binary Pokemon, not the
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fluid pokemon, you know, the black woman Pokemon, the left side paralyzed
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lesbian trans woman pokemon, you know, and and then the other The final
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guy was like, no, all of my moral goodness comes from purely from
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me as an individual. You know. It's not something that is something that
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I share with other men. It's something that separates me from other men.
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See what I'm saying. And that's I think that's the kind of toxic competition
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holding people like people holding each other to account for their behavior towards others.
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Is I don't think that's issue like don't bully, don't don't abuse, don't
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do stuff like that. That's fine, But this kind of virtue signaling,
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which is very empty and often doesn't really involve holding people to account for their
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behavior, but instead their speech is uh, yeah, I wouldn't. I
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don't think that's that's the same thing. Yeah anyway, yep, Okay,
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So that's the super child. Thank you. And I got a super chat
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as well from ex Xanathos and they say, I recently rediscovered your content after
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a long time. Glad to see you guys are still around, well,
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thank you. Please feel free to subscribe. He gave us five pounds,
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by the way, Please feel free to subscribe and stick around and be a
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part of the conversation. You know. So, I mean, we're I
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guess been an interesting niche. We never really got big, but we never
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really disappeared either. Yeah. I think honestly, it's because most people seem
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to either tie into a and it's not really defined by what you necessarily believe,
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but who your enemy is. So most creators or you know, YouTube
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commentators identifying enemy and keep identifying that enemy over and over again, or they
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offer something that is uh like you know, like like our title today,
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you know, use my secret technique and you'll be drowning in women. They
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offer something like that, and that's not what we've done. We've tried to
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keep everything honest to what we see is actually happening with the relationship of men
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and women. So it's not about you know, pretending, and honestly it
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is pretending, pretending like you're a dating coach who can give this magic formula
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for men to uh be able to get any woman they want or even get
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a woman. And it's it's not it's not about the it's about actually fixing
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the problem. We got a big problem. We are pretty pretty much at
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terminal guys. Yeah, we have embraced a long time ago the very misanthropic
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idea that men and women are defined through oppression. Men and women are defined
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through oppression. So the primary primary metric medium of exchange of men and women
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is oppression. So we've defined the most fundamental relationship in our culture as one
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that is anti social, anti human, destructive and evil. It's like,
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how long is the society going to survive at war with the most fundamental relationship
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that makes up that society? And we're getting to sort of the terminus of
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this particular runaway train. And instead of saying to God like just papering over
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the symptoms and saying, hey, okay, well we just did you know,
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just wiggle your little toe at the full moon closest to the solstice and
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fart yankee doodle dandy and you'll be a wash in women. Instead of doing
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crap like that, we're just like, no, we got to look at
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this honestly, because if we don't fix it's not much future we're gonna We're
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gonna have to look forward to, shall we say? Yeah? All right,
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all right, let's get into the video. Thank you for the super
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chat and the super chow. So we're gonna go ahead and put this on
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the screen back. If you enjoyed the new what new things we have to
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say now? Yeah, I hope you stick around. All right, So
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this is Chris Williamson and one of I. Okay, you know, full
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disclosure. I generally like Chris Williamson's content. I liked that he's talking about
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these things. I think it's really easy for people to be dismissive or ignore
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it, and he's like trying to discuss it. Okay, So hopefully he'll
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find his way. You know, it doesn't have to be us, but
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just somebody who is like talking about these things from I think a a very
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productive perspective. But right now he's talking with a guest name Alex date Psych,
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which I assume is an alias that he uses or his I guess he
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runs a company or a business where people will pay him and he'll show them
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how to pull women. So it's kind of like that, but he it's
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under the It's not like your typical sort of player PUA type at least that's
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not the what he's selling. It's more like, Oh, I'm a dating
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psychologist, and I understand these things from a psychological or evolutionary standpoint or whatever.
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So but fortunately, one of the things that I do like about Chris
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Williamson is that his long form podcast like this one or Interviews or Discussions,
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is about an hour and forty minutes long, but it's broken up into little
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sections, which I think is fantastic. So I thought I would tell you
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what the sections are and then Allison, you can tell me which one you
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want to hear. So the first one is just called why have men stopped
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Approaching women? Now, that might be an easy way to just jump right
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into. Then there's do do men need to be so risk averse? Takeaways
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from Alex's survey on dating struggles? So this is the thing that kind of
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like got my attention because Alison got I guess this guy, I don't understand
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this. What Yeah, okay, let me just get into this. Okay,
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So do men need to be so resk adverse? Okay, you realize
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that feminists are gauging the system that punishes criminals for their behavior, and they
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are extending it to what used to be relatively considered relatively innocent or at least
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not criminal activities in the dating sphere. Right, this is what they're doing.
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They're using the criminal justice system and they're weaponizing it against men who are
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seeking date. And you're like, well, at what point do guys like
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us back? And you say, maybe it's a bit too much. You
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know, how much pressure do feminists have to apply to men before guys like
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this recognize that the problem is the pressure that feminists are applying to men not
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to approach, Like, do we need orbital satellites? Feminists inspired orbital satellites
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that vaporize men whenever they go two inches too close to a woman, Like
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this is getting ridiculous. They're using the apparatus in our society designed to punish
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and prevent certain behaviors, and they're targeting it at men who are approaching women
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for a date. Basically all right. They hide this behind saying well,
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if you just do it, if you only knew men used your professor e
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psychic powers and figured out that the woman that you are approaching only wants you
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to approach. On Between two thirty and two thirty three on a Wednesday,
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on the sixth day on the month, only after a Friday where she's gone
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to ballet class and has had a nice drink with her part. You know,
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like, how okay, how how fucking insanely uh omnipotent? Do men
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have to get right before they can navigate this minefield? Before you start saying,
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oh, right, this is too much, this is ridiculous, before
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you start directing your censure, and you're shaming where it belongs, which is
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at women who am sorry feminists, women and men who are seen to be
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at a war in war in a war, sorry, I got that out.
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Took me a while, in a war against women consenting to men in
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any capacity. I want you to just cogitate on that. We have a
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group of people who are very powerful, and they do not like the idea
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that women consent to men at all, Like it's a personal offense to them,
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and they want to make it so dangerous for a man to say,
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oh you, oh oh, so we're in a contract now, I mean
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it's a verbal contract, but I can accept that your verbal agreement to this
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activity is somewhat binding. They want to make it so men cannot trust women's
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word when the situation occurs because they are in a war against women's consent.
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They want to make it so that women can not consent, or the the
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the amount or the target for women's consent is so small that it is almost
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sub atomic, or it is sub atomic. And what I mean by that
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is they are you know, you know, the progression of these campaigns,
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right, is to restrict what is considered well, how women can express consent.
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Right, Initially it was just okay, you know, if she fights
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back, that's obviously not consent. Right, So a woman can can express
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consent. She is a wide open field to decide how she expresses her contents.
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Consent, all right, Then it's no means no, So there's no
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more coquettish no, you know, with a with a cute little giggle,
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anymore, no means no the instance she says no, you stop, all
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right. That restricted women's ability to express consent. And then we had the
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yes means yes, which constricted it further. And now we have enthusiastic consent,
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which means that the only women who can genuinely express consent are freaking sexual
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olympists and gymnastics. Like the women who are completely enthusiastic, they can they
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actually take initiative. And I know a lot of guys would love that,
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but that means that only those women can express consent you starfishes. Yeah,
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lady is, you've just had your ability to enact any kind of sexual contract
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with many revoked. And uh, honestly, for their own protection, men
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should not have sex with starfishes anymore. And the only women with really good
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glutes are allowed to have sex. Now they're restrict and you see how every
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step they restrict the ability for women to consent to sex because that is what
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they are in war in. And these guys, instead of pointing that out,
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go to the men and say, well, why aren't you pushing after
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the no? Why aren't she pushing after them? Why aren't you wait,
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I mean she's not saying no, So why don't you just keep pushing?
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Why don't you just keep pushing? Oh? Oh, she's starfishing. Well
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you just need to keep going like this is what they're doing. They're engaging
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in fucking entrackment. Yeah we should maybe we should hear them be okay,
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all right, Sorry I had a very long Twitter exchange, but with the
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other one, yeah, so I'll go Yeah with Alex stateside, I'll go
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to the why have men stopped approaching women? Bit the beginning, because that's
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basically what you're speaking to, and we'll see what he says. What's going
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on with risk aversion and men not approaching women? Sure, so, risk
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aversion refers to a personality trait or disposition where individuals are basically more accepting or
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more willing to take risks. So high risk aversion would be individuals who are
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less willing to take risks, and a big risk for men at least a
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perceived risk is of course, approaching women. So recently I conducted a survey
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and I used a measure of risk aversion. Okay, and all right,
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this is exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, literally, like I have,
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I have watched this march towards restricting women's consent, And what this man
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is saying is men, don't listen to the feminist campaigns about no means no.
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Just keep going when she says no, don't listen to the campaigns about
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no, yes means yes. Keep going even she doesn't say yes, don't
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listen to the campaigns about enthusiastic consent. Keep going even when she isn't.
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Okay, this is this has got to be some kind of malpractice, it
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certainly. And you can transfer that to the dating which is it's a little
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bit more vague. I know, the consent stuff is more clear, then
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the progression is more clear, which is why I use it. But this
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they have the same messaging when it just comes to approaching women. I mean,
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you see the billboards with a list of things that are now harassment,
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and he's basically saying, well, you know, this is now technically illegal,
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and forget example the UK, maybe it isn't in the US yet,
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although that Jillette ad suggests that even approaching a women is oh no, I
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mean it may not be illegal, but there will certainly there certainly could be
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social ramification. Yes, yeah, so me too is you know. And
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so we're looking at this situation and he's encouraging men to go against what is
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becoming the prevailing social and political expectation of men. And this is why I
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said recently in a tweet, what dating coaches actually tell men to keep initiating
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if they could be culpable for incitement every time a guy got a harassment charge.
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Yeah, And the thing is that these guys will never ever look at
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the situation that men are in and say, hey, that's not fair.
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They will always look at men and say, oh, you're cowards, you're
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risk adverse. Well that's the freaking point. That's why the feminists have engaged
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the criminal justice system to start making these kinds of things approaching women. You
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know, it's definitely sexual harassment in the in the workplace. Now, Okay,
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that's why they've they've started to engage these institutions and more and more the
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criminal injustice system, Like the criminal injustice system knows how to prevent people from
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doing something right, that's sort of what they're there for. Yeah, so
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we have the organ of our society that is, you know, lining up
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its scopes to prevent men from approaching women. And this guy is saying,
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hey, don't mind that red dot dudes keep doing it. Yeah, keep
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going, instead of saying, hey, maybe we should stop that. And
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also when he says he conducted a poll, does he like have is it
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like a scientific poll or is it like a Twitter poll? Because I thought
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I thought that he was, like, he just put a poll up on
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Twitter. I thought, I mean that's what you were the one he might
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have done like an internet poll. Okay, yeah, I asked him for
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his I asked him for his site, and now, based on what I'm
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seeing here, it's basically himself. So I'm guessing that this is honestly,
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this has probably got about as much legitimacy as a cosmopolitan pull. Yeah.
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Yeah, that's another thing to consider a right, Well, let's keep going.
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Asked about approach behavior, basically approaching for dates, approaching on the street,
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approaching in a bar, talking to someone at work or in class,
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And yeah, there's an inverse correlation, or should say a positive correlation with
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that risk aversion and willingness to approach. Right that, people who are more
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risk averse much less willing to approach. They tend to have more fears as
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well as far as the potential consequences of approaching a woman asking for a date?
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What did they say? What? The primary fee is? All?
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Right? But here's the thing, and this is something I mentioned in the
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twitter too. Risk aversion is a personality trait, and what he probably means
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is conscientious. So that does not not just be risk aversion to self.
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It might also be men who are risk adverse to creating an unpleasant experience for
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a woman, which none of which he the unpleasant experience. He just completely
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blew through that and insulted men further with a tweet where he essentially said that
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men who are risk adverse about creating an unpleasant experience for women are the same
28:07
men who are yelling at women on Twitter. I'm like, you can't make
28:12
that assumption. This could be two completely distinct groups of men. And also
28:18
people's behavior online is many many degrees worse than their behavior in person. All
28:25
right, yeah, so the two have no bearing on each other. But
28:27
regardless, this idea that men who are risk adverse are somehow bad, let
28:40
me think about it. I mean, God, I can't even fucking like,
28:44
how dare these men? How dare they have such contempt for men who
28:49
are not like them? That is? That is the issue in the comments
28:56
you see like you know men saying you know, too like in shape,
29:00
well put together, decent looking dudes. Are like puzzled as to why you
29:06
know, men are so averse to approaching women like they're literally the kind of
29:10
guys that are I wouldn't say not likely, I wouldn't even say unlikely,
29:15
but less likely to get into some kind of like social trouble for approaching women
29:22
because whether or not you get in big trouble, it ultimately just comes down
29:26
to whether or not she's attracted to you, Like this is completely in the
29:30
hands of the woman and and and men generally don't know where they rate themselves,
29:36
like they generally think of themselves as bland or normal, and that they
29:41
know for sure it means that they're not good enough because women's standards are through
29:45
the roof, So like, why would a guy approach a woman? I
29:48
mean it's too dangerous. Yeah, don't take dating advice from any Yeah,
29:56
yeah, it's eating advice is absolutely worthless. Like you don't listen to men
30:04
who look like this, Why would you do you think they are? Like
30:08
it's like listening to a woman who's a ten I'm dating. It's not quite
30:15
that bad because they at least they're men, right, But they don't have
30:18
a freaking clue. They're talking from complete ignorance. Like, honestly, I
30:26
think that guys really shouldn't, Like there's really no point. And I really
30:30
think this isn't about actually getting dating advice. It's about living out a fantasy.
30:37
To be frank, and that these guys present the fantasy, but also
30:42
it's even more than just. I wasn't even referring to the physicality of these
30:45
two men. I was referring to the psychology. Like you know that men
30:51
who are risk adverse are still men, and they have every right to be
30:56
And the fact that our society has stopped catering to men who have any sense
31:00
of social desirability and concern and social anxiety as in ability to be humiliated,
31:07
the fact that our society has stopped actually making it possible for those men to
31:11
comfortably, at least partially comfortably. I mean, I'm sure they're still going
31:15
to have to manage rejection, but not manage all the other risks. You
31:19
know that the reason that our the fact that our society has made it so
31:23
men like that don't have a chance, or have much less of a chance,
31:26
or are opting out, that's on society. Because I can tell you
31:32
that men who are risk adverse have existed throughout history, all right, And
31:37
the best societies are the ones where they flourish. Okay, the best societies
31:44
are the ones where they aren't ruled by some guy with a freaking forehead like
31:48
a cliff with a gigantic goddamn mallet like a club and he's the one who
31:59
makes the rules. I guarantee you those are the societies we don't want to
32:01
live in. So yeah, like even when he says, oh, men
32:06
who are risk averse aren't aren't approaching Okay, So that's a fundamental aspect of
32:14
personality. One it's very difficult to shift, and it's not gonna be like
32:19
it's it's only gonna get worse because of the social influences that we see around
32:25
us, Like all of the campaigns against strange women approaching approaching men, not
32:32
even just the campaigns. Look at all the TikTok stuff that goes out.
32:36
I mean, how many TikTok at our TikTok videos are there on women who
32:40
are like, oh, some men looked at me. I am verklemped.
32:45
I have to go to my therapist and get xenax. You know, Like,
32:51
how many of those compared to TikTok videos? Like, has anybody ever
32:54
seen a TikTok video in which some woman is like complimented by men and she's
32:59
like, oh, oh, that's really sweet of you. I really appreciate
33:02
the thought, you know, not interested, but no, yeah, never
33:07
seen that, And yet how and so even our social maleeu is filled with
33:14
condemnation, demonization, and destructive attitudes towards men who express any kind of interest
33:21
in women filled with it. So how are you gonna help these guys overcome
33:27
the anxiety induced everywhere? I mean, this is beyond a phobia. This
33:31
is a phobia thatself that's enforcing, like the society itself is enforcing on men
33:36
everywhere. So how are you gonna help them do that? Or are you
33:39
just gonna shame them more if they don't. Okay, this really pissed me
33:45
off. I'm sorry. Yeah, no, it's all right. Let's play
33:47
some more of this these guys were concerned about. Sure, so some of
33:53
the primary fears are basically social rejection and social consequences. There were some differences
33:59
where individuals iron risker version might fear more legal consequences as well, like some
34:04
kind of report to HR, the police or even something like that, But
34:07
it tends to be mostly kind of a fear of loss of reputation. Yeah,
34:12
well, I suppose you know, we have a basis for this ancestrally
34:15
that if you were rebuffed by one of the women in your tribe, that
34:19
that probably wouldn't do much for your credibility with the rest of the women in
34:22
the tribe, and that your mates might take the piss out of you.
34:24
So I'd certainly understand from that that angle for the women as well that are
34:30
listening. The all consuming fear as a guy of seeing a girl across the
34:36
room and looking at her and thinking I should go and say hello because I
34:38
think that she's nice. It's like fucking mortal. It's reality bending. It's
34:46
so strange, it's such a bizarre And again, I'm sure that there's a
34:50
loads of guys listening. I don't know what you're talking about. I can
34:52
just go up and talk to anybody. But I think I'm just pausing for
34:55
the banana. Okay. I mean he at least, he at least recognizes
35:00
that it's difficult, but I don't know that he knows like how dangerous and
35:08
toxic. It's become like, you know, being shy or fearing rejection.
35:15
That's something that we've always had, especially as men, because men have to
35:20
be the ones to approach, but it's been made like nearly impossible for most
35:25
young guys to navigate now because of it's not just like, oh I'm ashamed
35:30
because she didn't like me. It's not it's not just that, you know,
35:35
it's it's like a far more uh, there's it's a far more there's
35:42
far more dangerous consequences. Let's put it that way. So I got a
35:46
super chow. So Richard Bierre gave us a super chow and is five dollars
35:53
and says isn't now an offense warrantying arrest in British Columbia to make someone feel
36:00
feel uncomfortable on public transportation? Apparently anyone can declare that they were made to
36:05
feel uncomfortable by merely overhearing a conversation that they weren't even a participant in.
36:10
I mean that sounds right. I don't know British Columbia, you mean BC,
36:15
like in the United States, or there's a do we have a VC.
36:19
I don't know, or in Canada. I don't know, but yes,
36:22
that sounds That just boggles my mind. It just boggles my mind that
36:30
we have, verifiably we have people working with the criminal justice system. We
36:37
have people working with whatever is creating like the social MELEEU and and media to
36:43
present and to try to prevent men from approaching women in the auspices of supposedly
36:52
trying to prevent sexual harassment, but because nobody can really define that, you
36:58
really have like it just ends up preventing approaches towards men and to punish these
37:02
things. And there's no room for this in this these guy's mind, maybe
37:08
not Chris, but this other guy's mind for the effects of society itself telling
37:14
men to stop approaching women. Mm hmm, all right, let's play some
37:22
more. All right, let's keep going. I think even the average normal
37:24
risk aversion man has this pretty sort of guttural sense of trepidation before they go
37:30
and do it. Absolutely, yeah, and yeah, the most confident man,
37:35
it doesn't matter, they're going to be a little bit nervous at least
37:37
approaching a woman. And I think that's something in pickup artists communities that they've
37:42
kind of caught onto is almost kind of an exposure therapy to that. But
37:45
you know, exposure therapy when people have phobias, they're exposed gradually to whatever
37:50
the stimulus is that reduces that fear. So maybe they've kind of caught on
37:52
like that guy. As a psychologist, you don't just throw people into uposing
38:00
them what they're afraid of you have to build up their ability to manage their
38:05
fear. Right, Nothing that I've seen that he's tweeted out and I could
38:09
be corrected correct me in the comments talks about how to support men while approaching
38:15
reducing their fear in this circumstance. And at what point, I mean,
38:21
really, if you think about it, if the same risks had to be
38:23
run by women in order to get this outcome, I'm pretty sure this guy
38:29
would be calling out the institutions that are creating the risks, not the women
38:32
for being risk adverse. I just wonder if it's because he holds women to
38:38
a lower standard, because he thinks they're a lower form of life. I
38:42
mean, maybe he would. It's a thought experiment, so you know,
38:45
he could probably get out of it by saying, well, I don't know,
38:50
or just not even recognize it. But really think about that, if
38:55
women were expected to run these legal risks, would we tolerate that? Yeah,
39:04
in hell, we don't even. Honestly, actually, I already know
39:07
the answer to that. We don't even make We don't even we don't even
39:12
want women to run the legal risks of their own, coercive and sexually like
39:20
Rapeye, behavior. We want to shield women from the risks of that.
39:25
We don't even want to apply those risks to women, much less say to
39:30
women, Oh well, if you're unattractive and he doesn't want your approach,
39:32
you could you could lose your social standing in your career and maybe even go
39:37
to jail. Like I mean, if men could do that to women,
39:42
do you think that this guy would still be saying, hey, women,
39:45
man up. I don't think so. Yep, all right, all right,
39:51
I got a super chat from Albernata Retro because it's two dollars Canadian and
39:55
he says PUAs are the biggest s on earth. Okay, I don't.
40:02
I mean, I don't know. This guy looks like a pua, don't
40:06
get me wrong, but I don't know if he really is one or not.
40:09
I mean, I guess, so, I guess, so, I
40:12
don't know. I don't know how you would classify himself. But yeah,
40:15
okay, let's play some more women and you will be less of three.
40:19
Yeah, that's what it is. But of course most men aren't out there
40:21
approaching one hundred women, and that kind of nervousness it persists even if an
40:24
individual is very very confident to begin with. Yeah, I think that was
40:29
definitely one of the positive sides of the pickup world was that it taught men
40:35
to overcome approach anxiety just through exposure therapy. Right. It gamified exposure therapy,
40:40
which is pretty reliable when you're trying to get rid of all manner of
40:45
phobias. If it's a spider that you scat, or you agrophobia and you
40:49
don't leave the house. You know, it's one step at a time,
40:51
very very small exposures, et cetera. And given that this is such a
40:54
such a difficult one, I asked it was ages ago, but I spoke
40:58
about what it's like for a woman to approach a man and be rejected and
41:02
has some really interesting responses from women that it's really painful for them, you
41:07
know, ship they almost feel like they've broken the social norm and still not
41:13
succeeded. So there's kind of two layers of shame that they've had to go
41:16
through. Yeah, but how many women were like, I don't know,
41:20
lost their job for approaching a man or still and still what Well, here's
41:29
the thing, I mean, obviously they thought that they if they they're the
41:32
ones who approached, then the man is obligated to agree to them. It
41:37
sounds like mm hmm. Well when he when like the way that he's framing
41:43
this, it's like they they they defied the social norm. Well so what
41:50
like what what like the guy still has the right to reject you. Yeah,
41:55
just the way that this is framed is odd. Reading too much into
41:59
it. No, I think I get it as far as like I just
42:02
want to say, as far as the exposure therapy thing goes, I think
42:07
that it would be. I think there is some truth to it, but
42:12
I don't think these guys are saying it. They're not putting a fine enough
42:19
point on it. So what I mean is, you know, I used
42:22
to be really really introverted, Like I couldn't do what I'm doing as this
42:25
show. I was really bad when I was in high school. I remember
42:30
I was called up to the front of the class to I don't even remember
42:34
what I had to do. It was like solve a problem or answer a
42:37
question or read something I don't remember, and I was shaking because I don't.
42:42
I was just so nervous and shy. And when I graduated, I
42:47
had to get a job, and so my very first job was I was
42:52
a busboy, and so as a bus boy, I had to interact with
42:54
people, and as I worked. You know, at first, obviously I
42:59
was or shy, but over time, because of the kind of jobs that
43:02
I had, I had to learn to talk with people, and then later,
43:07
you know, look them in the eye, and then later it just
43:09
kept building. But the thing, the main point I'm making though, is
43:15
that if you have this issue, the best way to get over it has
43:21
you have to like interact with people in a very impersonal context. So I'm
43:27
at a job and there's a customer. I don't know them. I don't
43:30
really you know, They're not my friend, They're not somebody I'm interested in
43:32
being friends with, and not somebody I'm romantically interested in. They're just somebody
43:37
that I have to talk to. And so I do that, and I
43:38
do it over and over, and after a while it gets easier and easier,
43:44
and then you know that, so I think that they have I'm not
43:47
even saying they're making this point because I think that datesite guy is saying guys
43:52
just approach women, which I think is just a really bad idea. It's
43:55
just really risky. And you also have to be concerned with like I said
44:00
before, if women don't find you attractive and you have the gall to approach
44:05
them, then they will take it a different way. They won't. They
44:07
will see it as inappropriate, like you're breaking the social norm of approaching a
44:13
woman without her permission or without the ability to read her mind. But if
44:17
you can talk with women, even women you're not attracted to, in a
44:22
platonic way, like just saying hello or you know, are you enjoying the
44:27
party or whatever, and don't take it any further and then walk away,
44:30
then I think it will become easier for men to talk to women and just
44:36
men. Yeah, but you put you just you just set that the context.
44:38
So there is some value in doing that. But yeah, the way
44:44
that, yeah, the way that they're framing it makes it sound they're not
44:47
doing that. They're not saying look maybe if because and also they're being dismissive
44:53
of the real challenge, because like that's not even half the battle. Like
44:58
the ability to walk up and approach a woman and say hello or or whatever,
45:02
that's not even half the battle. The real issue is the way that
45:07
women have been I don't know how else to say it, propaganda is to
45:14
find men threatening and like so if a strange man approaches, the woman doesn't
45:19
decide whether or not he's like, you know, a threat to her based
45:25
on like how his approaches, but rather the fact that he did approach.
45:30
So she'll make a judgment before he gets there because she is constantly on her
45:34
toes because she was told all this propaganda about men. And so if you
45:39
do it the right way, you have to be able to like, you
45:42
know, do It's just it's such a tricky situation and in a way,
45:46
it's not right now as it stands, it's not really worth it for men,
45:51
Like I don't see the benefit. Like we have to deprogram women's fear,
45:55
and then we have to like make it to where men and women can
45:59
come together comfortably without you know, without this this fear, because I think
46:04
it feeds in both directions. Men fear women and women fear men. So
46:10
also, like in today's era, it's not just the fear that women have
46:15
for men, it's how that fear destroys any appreciation for masculinity and men.
46:21
Yeah, so and at the end of the day, you're gonna risk rejection
46:23
for this from this fear fearful creature. And then you're also, what are
46:29
you gonna get a creature that fears you? Who the hell wants that in
46:32
their life? Yeah? Who wants to juggle that for the rest of their
46:37
life? Okay? And so there's that. I also I'm just like sorry
46:43
again for any sounds in the background, and there was really because the cat
46:49
just walked over his leftsa and left some footprints. I don't see. I
46:53
don't hear anything, Okay, all right, but yeah, there there was
46:58
a little bit of a kerf fuffles. But I'm glad you got I didn't
47:00
hear anything. But the other thing is that this is too I think these
47:07
people, because they want to make money and they want to advance a particular
47:09
narrative, they're not really honest about how to approach this mm hmm. And
47:15
if men want to do this, they have to look at it holistically.
47:20
Yeah. I mean this guy, the dates guy, he's not selling a
47:23
product to women. He's selling a product to men. So he has to
47:29
make men women well he's well, he should be, he should probably well
47:34
you know what he might be. But I don't know what he could offer
47:37
them, because it seems that women don't need anything. They just need to
47:43
wait until the right guy comes along. According to him, I'm saying,
47:49
well, yeah, at this point, yeah, you're right, they don't
47:50
really need to do anything. But what I mean is that holistically, like
47:54
if if you're a guy who wants to get a relationship with a woman,
48:00
I would suggest just setting that aside and working on your social relationships outside of
48:08
that aim, and even consider going to a place where people will really appreciate
48:15
your your presence, like you know, people in need, older people,
48:22
and just like volunteer, volunteer even even like an animal shelter, so that
48:28
someplace where when you come and see them, they're going to be happy to
48:31
see you and grateful and maybe even give you a smile. Right, work
48:37
on that. Work on improving your improving and increasing your social your situations where
48:43
you can be social. Don't focus on approaching women, like if it comes,
48:52
if it comes to the point as you as you increase your confidence in
48:55
being social and other aspects of your life, that'll reduce your anxiety if you
49:01
ever do approach women. Right, I mean, because it's like and I
49:07
don't want to downplay the fear because it's very real and I am not going
49:10
to argue to any guy who's like, yeah, I'm just the juice is
49:14
not worth the squeeze. The risk of rejection, the risk of a false
49:17
accusation isn't worse what what I'm going to get in the end of the day.
49:21
I'd be like, yeah, you do you That is your choice.
49:24
You have every right to make that choice, and I totally understand it.
49:27
If a guy is like, no, I really want to keep doing and
49:31
he is having problems with that kind of fear of rejection, then again I
49:35
would go the holistic route. Build up your social relationships outside of that circumstance,
49:43
and really something that's really key I think that can really increase your social
49:46
confidence is to find someplace outside of approaching women where you're making other people happy
49:54
and you're making them feel grateful for your presence, or you're doing something that
49:59
they're great for you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Okay, let's play
50:06
some more. I can jump to that next bit. So there's the next
50:08
section is do men need to be so risk averse? So have you looked
50:15
longitudinally at this Do you know if men's risk aversion and fear of approach has
50:22
increased over time? I don't know for sure, but there I think there
50:25
is some research on that that I haven't done that's looked at risk aversion in
50:30
younger generations, and they may be more risk averse. So it might be
50:34
something that we see, particularly with the Zoomers, right with the younger generation,
50:37
that they are more risk averse than earlier generations. And there's a lot
50:39
of kind of converging evidence on that that you know, they're waiting later in
50:44
life to take risks like getting a job, going to school, getting a
50:47
driver's license. Me maybe there's other reasons for this, like what was oh
50:54
frivolous? Yeah, go ahead, Well, okay, there's other reasons for
51:00
it. Well, no, I'm saying, why do the zoom Why are
51:02
the Zoomers more risk averse? Zoomer men more misk averse than say, the
51:08
millennials, who are more risk averse than say Generation X, Like what changed?
51:15
What's changed? Not not? You know, I mean, there's some
51:19
some chemical things you could say, but I think culturally, culturally, yes,
51:24
it's very different. The landscape is completely different. And how to saying
51:30
to those men, well, just men up, do a damn thing.
51:37
Like if it's a cultural shift, then you need to look at the kind
51:42
of messaging that you need to change to give them a sense of kurt,
51:46
like to improve their or to reduce their anxiety, right, you know,
51:52
and I just it's the other thing is the reason why I said it's frivolous
51:59
is because because that it do we really need to worry at this point if
52:07
men are approaching women, because there's a lot worse things that it's if men
52:14
are, you know, increasing in risk aversion, like for example, continuing
52:17
our infrastructure. Yeah, you know, that seems like a much more important
52:22
problem, you know, continuing to have young men go into those jobs that
52:28
young women just won't do. Uh, they might do it, I guess
52:32
when everything's crashing down their ears, but how good are they going to be
52:36
at it? You know? So it seems like this is a lot more
52:44
dire than men are just not approaching women. But you know, like god,
52:47
damn, I really want to cut that thing off his chin. Yeah,
52:52
I know, I know, I know it. All right, let's
52:55
let's hear some more these other things that would indicate, Okay, they're kind
53:00
of hesitant to enter the adult world so to speak. Yeah, Gene Twangy's
53:04
work in Generations is fantastic with this slow life strategy or extended adolescence. It
53:10
explains an awful lot. You know, me and Buss have been talking about
53:13
this generalized risk aversion syndrome, and it is. It's across you know,
53:17
it permeates absolutely everything, but it really really shows up in dating because dating
53:22
is largely a game of risk remediation, right. It's how can I kind
53:28
of deal with the inevitable uncertainty of going up to someone. I don't know
53:32
if they like me, I don't know if they're single, I don't know
53:35
if I'm going to look silly. It very much is kind of like the
53:38
vanguard of risk. I suppose other things moving out of the house, changing
53:44
jobs, moving locations, but certainly a much lower stakes, more common one,
53:49
which is what makes it interesting because it is lower stakes. It's like
53:52
what you get rejected by somebody when you go up to them, like what,
53:54
there's literally no cost? Actually, no, that's not the issue.
54:00
It's not it's not simply that although that's that can be tough, and you
54:05
already expressed that with women it's even tougher. That doesn't mean that, you
54:10
know, women are most affected, but it means that they know that this
54:14
is not a position they want to be in, and you're not prepared to
54:16
put them in that position. So this is on men. It's not it's
54:22
not oh, I'm gonna look silly. It's I don't want to make her
54:25
uncomfortable. I don't want to, you know, make her think that I'm
54:30
a predator or dangerous. Why would she have that idea? Have you looked
54:36
around at our culture? Have you seen it? Yeah? Go ahead.
54:40
I did an equally valid survey to this deal equally and I found that the
54:47
number one reason why men weren't approaching women and this is excludes you know,
54:52
the juice isn't worth to squeeze reasons. Number one reason was afraid of false
54:59
accusations, andnumber two reason was felt they weren't attractive enough. Yeah, and
55:05
the number three reason I forget, but the number four reason was and I
55:10
only was allowed four reasons, so it's not really meaningful, but it was
55:14
the one where they just didn't want to create an unpleasant situation for a woman.
55:21
So it's like, this is yeah, right, you know, it's
55:25
this is something that needs to be fixed without you can say to men to
55:30
man up, but you're not going to fix anything like this is what I
55:36
said to this guy. You know, in ten years it's gonna be worse
55:39
and your solution will have done nothing. Yep, all right, let's watch
55:46
it. We have to Yeah, let's watch some more. Let me see.
55:50
Yeah, there's a most replayed part coming up. So pop from a
55:52
tiny little bit of discomfort, and yet the felt sense of it is a
55:59
you know, well to ending catastrophe exactly. Yeah. And something kind of
56:04
related to that is that we see, for example, individuals hiring the Dark
56:07
Triad they have more sexual partners psychopaths as well, people that score high in
56:13
the hair psychopathy checklist. We see example, people that have a criminal record
56:15
may have earlier sexual debuse, so they're having sex earlier in life or having
56:20
more partners. And these are also all things that are associated with a higher
56:22
tolerance for risk or even risk seeking. Its naturally stuff that we want to
56:27
This is definitely stuff we want to encourage. Say, yeah, really,
56:30
you don't think there's something wrong with that? More than that, though,
56:36
don't you think it's worth asking why women are drawn to that? Like maybe
56:42
that's something because like, yeah, there are men that exist that have Dark
56:45
Triad traits. There are psychopaths there are convicts, there are criminals, violent
56:51
offenders, and women love them. So maybe you should be asking like,
56:55
oh, is this really what we want? Is this good for our society?
57:00
Is it? Like? What you know, what's happening right now is
57:02
that there are like men of a very small percentage that are forming harems and
57:10
because the women are willing to share them, because that's that's how badly they
57:15
want the top men. That's how badly and they feel entitled to that.
57:22
So this, Yeah, I don't know. Somebody Harry Pierce said you need
57:28
to be psychomaxing. You need to be thug maxing, thug maxing. Thug
57:32
maxers rise up. No, I'm joking. I think he's joking. No,
57:37
no, no, actually, you know what I shouldn't even say that.
57:38
Maybe what you need to do is thug max, but you know,
57:42
secretly be taxing. It's a gentle giant and you could do this. Then
57:49
you could do the switcher route. Oh, here's here's what you do,
57:53
guys. You thug max. Okay, but you keep all of your all
57:59
of your sense activities and your kind and and just keep it to yourself and
58:05
thug max and then when you get the relationship with the girl you spring,
58:09
you know, the the internal nice guy on her, and you just let
58:15
her think you tamed her, that he she tamed you. That's what you
58:19
do. Yep, you have to hit her with the one two punch,
58:24
start with the thug maxing and then the right hook of the of the nice
58:30
guyism might enjoy risk more. So it's kind of like, why do they
58:35
have more partners or something like that. There's some indication that they might actually
58:37
even select down. So it might not be that they're more attractive, but
58:40
it could be that they're much more tolerant of risk, or that they even
58:44
seek risks out. So these are the people kind of approaching more risks like
58:47
this. They go after the they go after the shure, the sure,
58:55
the sure thing. Right, you say, they're less risk tolerant. A
59:00
lot of these guys like he's absolutely right here. They go after the sure
59:02
thing. Oh they go they go down a little bit. Yeah, well
59:08
they go down and looks the ones that are a little healthier, might go
59:12
down and looks the ones that are skanky. They just go straight to scrape
59:16
something off the street. Yeah, I'm not kidding, I not wrong here,
59:23
all right? Yeah, I believe me. Okay, so they're kind
59:27
of reaping the fruits of that, so to speak. Was it you that
59:30
discovered fifty percent of men aged eighteen to thirty haven't approached a woman in the
59:34
last year. Yes, that sounds right. Yeah, the men throwing that
59:39
statistic all over the internet. So I'm glad. I'm glad that I got
59:43
the citation right. Yeah. And the men that have approached are doing remarkably
59:46
well. A lot of the men who have approached, they more than half
59:51
have gotten a date from it, you know, and it goes down if
59:52
you look to like long term relationships, how many dates turn into a maybe
59:57
a date? Yeah, I've seen his stats, like, yeah, yeah,
1:00:00
a date. It doesn't doesn't mean much. I mean, like women
1:00:04
go on dates with men just so they can get free meals, so it
1:00:07
does. It doesn't mean much. And don't take them to the cheesecake factory.
1:00:10
No, god, no, god. Yeah. But it's like I've
1:00:19
seen his stats. They aren't actually that great. Yeah, I think maybe
1:00:25
h what was it, maybe fourteen ended up in a long term relationship mm
1:00:31
hmm. God damn. So, and you gotta know that those are the
1:00:36
ones that are probably doing the best right, So progressively it's gonna be less
1:00:42
and less mm hmm. That number is lower than it was. And the
1:00:50
first dates that like become second dates or even third dates, but more importantly
1:00:55
become like long term relationships, assuming that's the goal, that's what you really
1:01:01
want to look at. You know, people want to play the field.
1:01:05
That's fine, I don't you know, that's your business. That's not what
1:01:07
I'm talking about. But like when what I think most people want is something
1:01:13
like stable and easy. Honestly, like most people want to just find somebody,
1:01:17
get married, settle down and be done with it. That's like even
1:01:22
if they you know, when they're really young, maybe no, but like
1:01:23
eventually, pretty early on, that's usually what they're thinking about. And the
1:01:28
question is, does this data show that that's where those those first states lead?
1:01:34
And I have my doubts. No, No, they don't seem to.
1:01:37
Like so I think about fourteen percent or and a long term relationship.
1:01:44
No marriages, apparently you can tell so well. And that's another thing too.
1:01:51
Why why aren't men getting married? I Mean we talk about it on
1:01:53
the show all the time. It is tremendously risky, So like, why
1:01:58
isn't he addressing that. This is the thing that bugs me is that you
1:02:01
know, you've got all this stuff to say about it, but you're not
1:02:05
looking at like the systemic problems. And I hate to use the word systemic,
1:02:08
but it applies here with Brian. All you have to do is blame
1:02:13
men. Yeah, you just blame and systemic problems at all. Society doesn't
1:02:16
have to look at itself, yea, when it can just blame men,
1:02:21
that's going to be a really productive approach to fixing society's problems. You don't
1:02:24
we don't have to look at it. We don't have to look at any
1:02:28
of that. We don't have to look at the systemic problems. We don't
1:02:30
have to look at the way that we might be failing men. We just
1:02:31
have to blame men harder. That'll work, yep, yep, way,
1:02:38
Oh yeah, go ahead. You create the system where the least risk adverse
1:02:44
men who are positively correlated with the most violent, the most sexually aggressive,
1:02:49
the most rapey men. You you you incentivize, and you make sure that
1:02:52
the dating pool is restricted to them. More and more and more so,
1:02:58
feminists turn around and institute even tighter controls on witmen approaching women, which gets
1:03:05
rid of even more of the risk adverse men, leaving even more psychopaths be
1:03:10
the only men willing to approach women and the only men women can choose from,
1:03:15
which will lead to feminists increasing. It's like this negative viral and nobody
1:03:22
wants to point it out. Yep, Like we are absolutely humping this stupidity
1:03:31
to our doom. And you know, I know that you said Chris is
1:03:37
trying. He's searching for I guess the answers. Well, I mean he's
1:03:39
talking to people. I generally like his content. But yeah, I mean
1:03:44
I don't think he's there yet. But go ahead, we're gonna say no,
1:03:49
Well, I'm gonna say, like, he's talking to this guy,
1:03:51
of course, not talking to us, right, yeah, well not yet,
1:03:57
but yeah, I know what you mean, not yet. All right,
1:04:01
let's play, let me jump. I think I'm gonna go to the
1:04:03
next bit. So there's an uh, there's takeaways from Alex's survey on dating
1:04:09
struggles, trying to connect the ideology of in cells. So there's one that
1:04:15
could be interesting. Why competence is sexy? What people misunderstood about online dating,
1:04:20
Women's preferences for dad boss, kind of stupid? The gap in libido.
1:04:26
Is it important to ask about body count? But there is a bigger
1:04:29
section called what the red pill is doing to marriage? Should we go into
1:04:33
that one or is there anything jumping out at you that you're interested in?
1:04:43
No, let's finish what we're doing right now, all right, all right,
1:04:46
because there's another there's another little like upward bend in the roller coaster coming
1:04:53
up soon. Yeah. Yeah, But the men who are approaching, they're
1:04:57
doing pretty well. Actually, okay, so of men aged eighteen to thirty
1:05:01
haven't approached a women in the last year, all of that fifty fifty percent
1:05:06
of them did get a date. I wouldn't check again, but it might
1:05:11
even be higher. It might have been. Actually, here's another thing.
1:05:15
What's the ratio to rejection to date? Like how many men who have been
1:05:19
rejected have also gone on a date? And how much do you expect,
1:05:25
Like a man goes through a year's worth of rejection gets one date. Okay,
1:05:32
Like at some point even the government allows men who've been searching for a
1:05:38
job for years to just sort of fall off and be like, you know,
1:05:42
I'm not doing it anymore. But apparently that's not the case. When
1:05:45
when it's men looking for a woman. Yeah, you know what I mean.
1:05:49
Yeah, it's like eventually, don't you think that if these men spend
1:05:56
a year trying to get a date and they only you know, like only
1:06:00
fifty percent of them get one, only like thirteen percent of them get any
1:06:04
kind of ongoing relationship, you know, don't you think those are really terrible
1:06:12
odds? Mm hmm. Yeah, those are bad odds, for sure.
1:06:17
Those are bad odds. All right. The men who had it might have
1:06:23
been even been about seventy percent at least got a date or a phone number
1:06:26
or some kind of romantic connection there, and it goes down to about twenty
1:06:29
percent that got a long term relationship out of it. But sex is higher,
1:06:32
so you kind of see it go down like date, sex is a
1:06:35
little bit lower, long term relationship is a little bit lower, but mostly
1:06:39
there. Yeah, they're kind of people that approach women. They're getting dates
1:06:42
from it. That's I don't know, that seems pretty positive to them.
1:06:46
What are you gonna say, Good, Lord, that's positive. One year
1:06:54
of rejection and only fifty percent of men got a date seems like a problem.
1:07:01
That seems like a problem to me. Yep, But are you allowed
1:07:08
to say that, though, Are you allowed to look at that and say,
1:07:11
oh, this is a problem, because they'll you'll like, we live
1:07:14
in a we live in a society where we are not supposed to be concerned
1:07:21
with the dating world, specifically as it applies to women. So we can't
1:07:28
even say, hey, ladies. You know, it's sort of like they,
1:07:31
hey, ladies, aren't you aren't you letting these guys take you out?
1:07:36
And it's like, you're just not allowed to do that. So we're
1:07:40
not going to We're just not going to get to that. I guess we're
1:07:45
going to say, well, I'm just we have a situation where the feminists
1:07:55
are arranging social institutions to start making it more and more difficult for men to
1:08:02
approach women. There's no way to get around that. Mm and like,
1:08:11
this is the reward. You run that gauntlet, and out of a year
1:08:15
of rejection, you fifty percent of you might get a date, which he
1:08:19
knows it might just be a footie call. Yeah, and long term relationship.
1:08:27
No, that doesn't work, Like, I mean a certain amount of
1:08:30
that twenty percent supposedly, which I that's not what I read in his statistics.
1:08:32
It was more like thirteen was people who had five long term relationships in
1:08:38
a year, Like, something is either wrong with your your numbers or they
1:08:46
don't know what the hell you mean by long term relationship, because you know,
1:08:49
long term relationship is like you only get one in a year in a
1:08:54
lifetime, maybe two, all right, but to me that those numbers sound
1:09:00
really bad. Yeah, but let's keep going. They approach and I suppose
1:09:03
you know, there's an argument to be made. Well, of course,
1:09:05
the kind of guys that are approaching women, they're the ones that are full
1:09:09
of the confidence, or they're the ones that know it's a sure thing.
1:09:12
Of course, they're getting into relationships and having sex and going on dates and
1:09:15
getting phone numbers and stuff. But given the fact that this is an exclusively
1:09:19
agentic decision that you're making, right, Yeah, sure, if you have
1:09:25
a little bit more confidence in yourself, it's going to make making the decision
1:09:28
more easy. But ultimately, there's a huge chunk of people in that fifty
1:09:32
percent that are doing it that probably are just as unsure and just as terrified
1:09:38
and just as uncertain as you are. So yeah, I mean that's a
1:09:42
serious white pill for why you should approach women. Absolutely, Yeah, That's
1:09:46
one of the things that I've come to believe is that, you know,
1:09:48
as far as the whole PUA thing and all of that goes, Yeah,
1:09:51
like a lot of it just comes down to approaching women and it does seem
1:09:55
to work. It's interesting, you said Edgentic as well, because I have
1:09:57
some more data. I haven't put it out yet, but this looks at
1:10:00
like locus of control and dating difficulties. So all right, I'm pausing up
1:10:03
there for the banana. He's going to go into locus of control. Yeah,
1:10:08
yeah, for some reason he like I asked him for his sources.
1:10:12
Still no answer as far as I can tell. And if this, if
1:10:15
he is the source, there's no there we. I don't think that this
1:10:19
is peer reviewed research at the very least, or at least like something written
1:10:25
up so we can look at his methodology. Yeah, oh no, not
1:10:30
the controlled locusts again, controlled locusts. Yeah, controlled locusts. Bunny one,
1:10:39
Harry, thank you. Okay, So I'll just do another shout out.
1:10:44
Yeah message, please go to feed the Badger dot com slash just the
1:10:46
tip. Brian has put some weird black magic into this so you can see
1:10:51
your your super child. Yes, putting it on the screen, I think
1:10:57
I want more. Oh, and also you want to really see some weirdness.
1:11:00
You put a bunch of emotes in and they will dance around the screen.
1:11:04
You'll see them appear on the screen and they'll bounce around like a ball.
1:11:10
So feel free to drop some emotes and then look at the screen.
1:11:12
You'll see them. All right, all right, go ahead, let's just
1:11:16
all right, let's placus locusts. Let's hear about the locust swarm. I
1:11:21
asked people to list all of these what do they think are their difficulties in
1:11:27
dating? And then I coded those into a survey, got their responses,
1:11:30
and I found a correlation with locus of control and dating difficulty. So individuals
1:11:32
that have a higher internal locus of control, that are more edgentic, they
1:11:36
tend to report that they have fewer difficulties dating. So that's another thing too,
1:11:40
is that more edgentic individuals in that sense, like you said, yeah,
1:11:43
they're probably doing better. Yeah. I think William Costello's most recent post
1:11:49
about in cells found a wildly externalized locus of control exactly. Yeah, his
1:11:56
recent paper exactly that he looked at the same thing locus control and sales had.
1:12:00
Yeah, that higher external looks of control. You know, people with
1:12:02
an external locus of control, they see the world as like, things just
1:12:05
happen to me, it's out of my control. Whereas people with an internal
1:12:09
locus of control, you know, they say, I make things happen.
1:12:12
Things don't just happen to me, you know, right, So like psychos,
1:12:16
Yeah, in some way, I understand what he's getting at with the
1:12:19
internal and external locus of control. However, the changes to the dating landscape
1:12:27
are external. Like I I again, I don't know why he can't see
1:12:32
that a political group is changing the dating landscape and in the name of protecting
1:12:42
women from sexual and relationship violence, is making the situation more dangerous for men.
1:12:49
Mm hmm. Okay, So that's something that's a reality that's happening,
1:12:55
and that is outside of men's control. The men have no control over a
1:12:59
full accusation, you know, they have no control over getting a partner who
1:13:05
is abusive. In some cases, I guess they could change what makes them
1:13:11
attractive to abusive women. Yeah, that takes a lot of work, you
1:13:15
know, and I get it. Like, you know, men are individuals
1:13:19
with a very externalized locus of control. You really can't do much with them
1:13:27
until they change that, until they take some responsibility for their life. But
1:13:30
there are some things that are out of men's hands. And the idea is
1:13:39
that feminists can basically have this level of control over the apparatus of society that
1:13:50
dissuades people from engaging in certain activities. Shall we say, and it have
1:13:57
no effect or men need to Men need to absorb every single effect with this
1:14:00
belief about their internal locus of control. There's internal locus of control, and
1:14:04
then there's delusion. Yeah, you know, I mean because you could say
1:14:11
that Rasputant, you know, the Russian warlock, has a very huge internal
1:14:15
locus of control. I mean he thinks he can control the tides and the
1:14:19
celestial bodies. Yeah, but not really true, you know. So there's
1:14:26
there's a level at which just blankets saying, oh look good, internal locus
1:14:30
of control. Good. At some point it becomes delusion. And this idea
1:14:35
that the dating landscape hasn't changed to become more politically and legally fraught for men
1:14:45
seems to be delusional. Yep, I got a couple of superchows, one
1:14:55
really big one. It's not I'm not gonna fit on the screen, but
1:14:57
I'm gonna click on it anyways. Playe gives us five dollars. You see
1:15:01
that and says, uh, let me give you a laughing badger chant because
1:15:06
you've got you've made a massive paragraph. It's an essay. Five dollars and
1:15:12
says I'm surprised y'all haven't mentioned the film Hitch the Date Doctor. The film
1:15:15
is about a poa slash dating coach that helps average men that society would now
1:15:20
call in cells get together with women they genuinely like. The funniest thing about
1:15:26
the movie is that it stars Will Smith, and he acts chadlike and based,
1:15:30
unlike in his real life where he's a nutless sissy beta cook. In
1:15:33
the film, he tells a woman to her face that women are the hurdle
1:15:38
between themselves and good men that actually likes them. Honestly, this film is
1:15:44
so relevant today, and I remember watching this film in my preteens when it
1:15:47
came out two thousand and five, and watching the scene where Will tells a
1:15:50
woman that men can't just tell women that they like them, that women are
1:15:55
difficult, I shouted in my head, he's fucking right. Lost my place
1:16:00
In the film, Will has a backstory. Basically, he was a nerdy
1:16:04
nice guy that approached the girl he liked and was publicly humiliated. Then he
1:16:09
had to glow up and became a base chad that helps men. Watching the
1:16:12
film now in hindsight and the juxtaposition of the character will played makes me giggle.
1:16:17
Highly recommend watching the film. You can find the scene on YouTube where
1:16:20
he tells a woman that men have it hard when it comes to wooing women.
1:16:25
They like type hitch, date, doctor dash, love love and you'll
1:16:29
find it well. Thank you who was that? That was? Like?
1:16:32
So long, Plain Dan, and thank you Plain Day for the super chow.
1:16:36
And I see people are putting emos in the chat. Hope you guys
1:16:39
like that. I have a great example. I got a great example of
1:16:43
a delusional internal locus of control. Have you ever heard an addict, like
1:16:49
an alcoholics say I can quit anytime? Is that not a delusional internal locus
1:16:59
of control? Yeah? Yeah, it's true. But that's basically assuming control
1:17:03
over something that you may not actually have control over, or you haven't taken
1:17:10
the steps to have control over. You're assuming control over it so you can
1:17:14
dismiss actually gaining control over it. So how much of this that these men
1:17:20
assuming control over the situation so they can avoid actually recognizing a lack of control?
1:17:29
All right? How much of the so called external locust control men are
1:17:33
men who are actually like you know, I recognize that HR has made it
1:17:38
more difficult to approach women in the workplace. I recognize that feminist initiatives like
1:17:44
me too, have made it more difficult for men to approach women at all.
1:17:48
You know, I've recognized all this, And incidentally, all of the
1:17:54
feminist initiatives in these areas are illegitimate on at their root, at their and
1:18:00
the reason why they're illegitimate is because women engage in these behaviors as much or
1:18:06
almost as much as men, And yet we don't have an interventions that are
1:18:12
gender neutral and empower male victims of female harassers or female rapists or female sexual
1:18:18
abusers. And because we don't, the feminist interventions are completely morally illegitimate.
1:18:28
They've decided those victims that they care about. Well, once you've decided that
1:18:31
you're only going to care about a certain select group of victims, you are
1:18:35
not moral. You don't have no moral basis. And the only reason,
1:18:41
in my opinion, that they've selected those victims is because those are the ones
1:18:44
that make money, just like buying into certain men at this point, because
1:18:50
there's there, I think there's more or more men who are waking up to
1:18:53
the fact that no, it's not their fault. Yeah right, Like maybe
1:19:00
maybe when you say something like the more risk adverse men are waking up to
1:19:06
that, maybe it's the more risk aware men, right, yeah, Okay,
1:19:13
like the guys who who you know, wouldn't darwin themselves, you know,
1:19:19
the guys who would learn military discipline so they don't die on the battlefield,
1:19:24
right, those guys, you know, the risk aware men and the
1:19:29
men who are aware when something is out of their hands. That isn't an
1:19:33
external locus of control. That's simply being practical. That's logical, Yeah,
1:19:40
unlogical and rational because again that addict, you know, he can say to
1:19:46
himself, oh yeah, I can quit any time. But Kenny, right,
1:19:51
So an eternal locus of control isn't always accurate and isn't all please something
1:20:00
that benefits the person. Sometimes you have to recognize that things are out of
1:20:04
your control paradoxically in order to be able to change them. Mm hmm,
1:20:15
all right, all right, I got a super chow another one from an
1:20:19
alien named Paul, and Paul the alien gives us twenty dollars and says,
1:20:26
hello there from Alpha Centauri. Your signals in the void of space got our
1:20:30
attention. I would like to know what to do about automation putting our males
1:20:34
out of work. What solutions have worked on Earth? Well, I guess
1:20:41
you need men to build the machines, and to repair the machines, and
1:20:45
to maintain the machines. It's going to be a while before I think we're
1:20:48
dealing with that. When it comes to infrastructure jobs, yeah, well,
1:20:54
likely lose white collar jobs. They're honestly white collar jobs. I think women
1:20:58
are the ones that are going to suffer them most. At first, they're
1:21:01
gonna be out of the job. Yeah, there, it's gonna be because
1:21:04
because all that administrative data entry bullshit like that, that's gonna be gone.
1:21:11
And then and there won't be need for human resources because there's fewer humans,
1:21:15
so you know, I mean doing that work. So I think, honestly,
1:21:19
when men are obviously gonna lose their jobs, but I think women are
1:21:23
gonna lose more. I think they tend to, especially because they tend to
1:21:27
gravitate towards white color work. So that's what I think. Ye, men
1:21:30
are more likely the certain their own businesses or whatever, so they wouldn't like
1:21:34
need to sweat that too much. Yeah, but let's let's okay, so
1:21:41
let's hear a little bit more where I got another, I got another super
1:21:44
chow. This is from Nova fan. I should this is a rumble rant.
1:21:48
My apologies rumble rants from nova fan. Thank you put some rumble chands
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1:22:05
Okay, Nov twenty one gives us a dollar and says I'd love to
1:22:09
see him still talk big if enough feminists false flag his content shut him down.
1:22:15
Well, why would they? He's a feminist. It's inevitable. But
1:22:20
yeah, he is a feminist. But that doesn't that doesn't make him safe.
1:22:24
Yeah, I take that back. Yeah, well, let's wait for
1:22:30
the uh, let's wait for the false accusation. Usually, as the life
1:22:34
cycle, either he gets into some horrendous drama or a false ecuation. Yeah,
1:22:41
well, okay, let's keep going. All right, let's play some
1:22:43
more. Whatever happens in life, I have some control over that. Yeah,
1:22:46
you asked people that survey. I really loved it. You asked people
1:22:50
about the biggest struggles with dating they were experiencing that were holding them back.
1:22:55
What were the big takeaways that you learned from that? Well, A big
1:22:59
one that emerged was fear of rejection for men, specifically dating apps. A
1:23:02
lot said, you know, they just don't do well on dating apps.
1:23:05
That was another big one. A lot had to do with compatibility and particularly
1:23:10
some big sex differences. There. About seventy percent of women scored highly,
1:23:14
which was a six or seven on a seven point like It scale, and
1:23:16
said I can't find someone that I'm intellectually attracted to, which is something that
1:23:20
I didn't expect to be so high, But apparently not being able to make
1:23:24
an intellectual connection was one. Another difference was a lot of women, much
1:23:28
more than men, said that they felt there was a lot of sexual pressure
1:23:31
in demand for them. So those are things as well. Let me pause
1:23:34
it there for a second, because I think it's important that we unpack this
1:23:41
thing about intellectual compatibility. I don't think that it has to do with whether
1:23:48
or not a man is like a match for a woman intellectually. I think
1:23:53
that when I don't know if this guy knows this, but when I think
1:23:57
when they say intellectually compatible, I think they mean, does he share my
1:24:02
politics? Does he share my beliefs? Is he a feminist? And I
1:24:09
know some of you guys might say, well, not all women on dating
1:24:13
apps are feminists. No, basically everybody is feminist to some degree. And
1:24:16
I think especially women, Okay, especially women, because they're going so when
1:24:23
think about it, Okay, you go on a dating site and there's women
1:24:25
on there, and and they're they're looking for a guy who they like,
1:24:30
and that guy should essentially be their their intellectual equal, is what they will
1:24:36
say. Now, we know that, like you know, there's like the
1:24:43
Bell curve difference between male IQ and female IQ is like there are more women
1:24:48
in the middle and there and there are more men on the extreme ns.
1:24:51
You know, we've gone through that. So this is in most cases though
1:24:56
people are gonna be like relatively evenly matched. So is it women are still
1:25:01
finding so many men unattractive based on intellectual compatibility? Well, I don't think
1:25:08
it has through intellect. I think it has to do with do you agree
1:25:11
with me? Do you believe you know all of my political do you agree
1:25:16
with my political views? And you know how I know that because there was
1:25:18
a study that came out that showed that generation Z women are and men are
1:25:27
further apart in their political beliefs than they have been in previous generations. So
1:25:31
they're moving further away from each other. Despite the fact that you know,
1:25:38
uh, there's this idea that if men lead, women will follow. It's
1:25:42
not happening. Women are getting educated a certain way and they're going further to
1:25:46
the left and men are going a little bit to the right and that and
1:25:51
that gap is growing, and for women it is and they see it as
1:25:57
an irreconcilable difference because they're so certain that what they believe is correct, and
1:26:02
so they just need to find the guy that believes that. So it's not
1:26:05
about to me. I don't think it's about intellectual compatibility. I think it's
1:26:10
about do you have the same religion as me? And men have no interest
1:26:14
in that because they've seen how hostile feminism is to men. So you're finding
1:26:18
that more younger men are like, well, I don't want anything to do
1:26:20
with that because obviously that ideology, that ideology hates me, so maybe they
1:26:27
their profile. I might even say, look, I don't yeah incidentally,
1:26:30
what no, yeah, no, I was just saying that. You know,
1:26:35
it's it's if a man is upfront and says, look, I'm not
1:26:41
interested in a woman that you know is feminist or whatever, then he'll probably
1:26:48
just get rejected on that basis because that woman will say, oh, so
1:26:51
you hate women, and this is not, like I said, this is
1:26:55
not something that is only like, I don't know the the purview of academic
1:27:00
feminists or political feminists or even coffee shop feminists. It's just I think it's
1:27:05
just the average woman, especially young women, you know that. I think
1:27:10
that they just say, well, if you don't believe, you know,
1:27:13
if you're not pro Palestine, or if you're not whatever it is, whatever
1:27:16
it is, then like that we're not compatible. And that means because you
1:27:20
know, I have learned that, that means that you are not my intellectual
1:27:25
equal. So I think that's what the thing is. Okay, Basically,
1:27:29
if you don't share the politics of a woman, she thinks you're stupid.
1:27:32
That's what they mean by intellectual compatibility. Well, what I was going to
1:27:38
say is, first of all, do you notice how we've suddenly shifted into
1:27:41
how men are not measuring up to women. Yeah, that's why I'm bringing
1:27:45
that up. Of course, women are going to find more sexual pressure because
1:27:49
the only men who are left with interest in them are only interested in one
1:27:53
thing. Yeah, Like, let's be honest, low gas prices, no,
1:28:00
not, that's not that's not it a hero sandwich, No, anyway,
1:28:06
not finding someone who is physically attractive enough. Yeah, women scored higher
1:28:11
in that as well. I think that had a coens d of about point
1:28:13
six, so about a medium sized difference there. So those are all things
1:28:16
like I can't find someone i'm attracted to, I'm afraid to approach people because
1:28:19
I'm afraid to be rejected, can't make a connection with someone on an emotional
1:28:24
or intellectual level as well. The intellectual one is so interesting, like a
1:28:29
whole bunch of stuff there, Isn't he conflating a whole bunch of stuff there?
1:28:32
Like yeah, a little bit. It seems like all right, so
1:28:36
is it? He's almost like saying that women are not getting this and also
1:28:41
their fear of rejection mm hmm down a lot of people watching. Welcome,
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see some new faces you work too, Welcome to the show. Hope you
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guys subscribe and like the video so we can reach more people. This is
1:28:56
great and I hope that you like the new sort of I hope that that
1:29:01
you're not here because you believe the click baity headline. We don't actually have
1:29:05
secret I mean, we don't have secret knowledge and we're not furries. Don't
1:29:11
even bring it up. This is brand honestly, Honestly, of all the
1:29:15
men that I know who talk in this fear, I would say, guys
1:29:19
would do the best to listen to Brian, that is my co host,
1:29:26
because Brian, how do I say this without Please don't take offense at this.
1:29:32
You hit way above your weight. Oh well, thank you? What
1:29:38
wait what are you talking about? Yeah? I love my wife. I
1:29:43
think she's beautiful. I think you're beautiful. Okay, but I hit above
1:29:48
my weight? What do you? Yeah? Yeah, you know I mean
1:29:50
that you you are you, you are good with the ladies, you know.
1:29:57
Yeah, you know what I mean. I'm trying kind to say that,
1:30:01
like, honestly, I think that you have a lot of natural talent.
1:30:08
When it comes to being well, maybe not natural because you've talked about
1:30:12
like, yeah, I had it, I had to work on it.
1:30:15
Yeah. So you have like a social facility and you're good with you're good
1:30:19
with being able to develop interest women's interest in you, at least from the
1:30:26
past, I mean know now with your wife, and I mean I find
1:30:30
that more more something for people from men who are interested in having a woman
1:30:35
to to listen to than like Jim Brows, like these two dudes who are
1:30:43
still in there, like their late twenties pew Pay stage of being pickup artists.
1:30:48
I don't know about Chris. Maybe Chris is totally not out of that.
1:30:51
But I mean I've I've seen over the last twenty five years, I've
1:30:55
seen a model, a brilliant young man Alfredo, Saint Gene, siss a
1:31:03
guru. I don't know why it's doing that. I didn't go says I
1:31:10
didn't. I know, I didn't do that. Like there's a text to
1:31:13
speech thing. I guess, yeah, this thing is. This thing has
1:31:17
got lots of gizmos. Man. I can do text to speech on comments.
1:31:23
I can like make the make the emotes dance. I am I got
1:31:27
I have control over the chat. I'm just saying just maybe maybe more.
1:31:32
Maybe I turned it off. I turned off. I don't know why it
1:31:34
turned on, but I turned off. Okay, great. But what I'm
1:31:39
trying to get at is, like I've seen out like the dates psych Alex
1:31:43
guy. I've seen a lot of pickup artists like him, and they sort
1:31:47
of have a life cycle. It seems like they go through this this,
1:31:51
then they they go through I don't know, a good period where everything's working
1:31:57
out for them. Then they hit the wall, and then I swear to
1:32:00
fucking god, they turn into like a Hollywood starlet over the age of fifty,
1:32:06
you know what I mean, Like just constant drama, constant like crying
1:32:11
mascara everywhere, and and it's just it's just like he's in that kind of
1:32:16
okay, He's he's he's doing okay stage, and then he's gonna either hit
1:32:20
a false accusation or maybe things aren't gonna start working out for him. But
1:32:26
my overall point is that they're skating by on the fact that they're young and
1:32:30
good looking right now, yeah, right, and they're fit, they don't
1:32:35
have the problems of normal people or normal men, right and you don't want
1:32:43
to listen to like honestly, it's like a It's like a fifty year old
1:32:47
woman listening to a twenty year old woman about how she deals with her life.
1:32:53
It's like, yeah, your solutions are not relevant to my life,
1:32:59
lady. You know, like listening to guys like this for dating advice is
1:33:02
pointless if I want to convey anything to the people listening, don't go to
1:33:09
guys like this for dating advice. Yeah, what I find about these guys
1:33:15
And I say this with the with some concern for generalizing, so I don't
1:33:24
follow Alex state psych. I don't know him very well, so I could
1:33:28
very well be wrong. So maybe I'm not saying this about this person.
1:33:31
But what I've noticed about a lot of these PUA types is that there is
1:33:38
there is definitely like experience and knowledge about dynamics between men and women. But
1:33:44
what's missing to me is authenticity. I don't and I'm not saying they're lying,
1:33:49
but I feel like i'm getting I'm not getting the real person, you
1:33:55
know what I'm saying, Like, I'm getting like the product. So Alex,
1:34:00
he's got like the hair and the braid on his little beard, and
1:34:04
he's wearing a shirt that shows off like it's like when you know, it's
1:34:09
like there's a saying. I don't know if you know you know the saying,
1:34:12
but like the saying is that men are salesmen and women are marketers.
1:34:15
And what it means is men have to approach and they have to sell themselves
1:34:23
to women and women have They just get dressed up, they get ready,
1:34:29
and essentially they are marketed. They market themselves. So it doesn't work.
1:34:33
It's like the difference between going to someone's house and sell them a vacuum cleaner
1:34:38
and someone going into a store and there's a vacuum cleaner on display and it's
1:34:43
like really well displayed, right. And so what I get from guys like
1:34:47
Alex is that he's he is he he's kind of marketing himself, Like you
1:34:54
can tell that. He was like, I'm gonna sit down do this interview,
1:34:57
and I'm gonna set up everything to look like I'm I am totally the
1:35:00
Chad like I get the ladies right. And because of that, I just
1:35:03
get this sense that there's something inauthentic about it, and I appreciate authenticity.
1:35:10
I was talking to Paul Elam weeks ago because he lives here in Rono,
1:35:15
and we did a brunch together and I was talking about this stuff, and
1:35:18
one of the things he said about me was he says that, you know,
1:35:23
it's not you don't see people who are authentic. Like online, there's
1:35:28
a lot of I don't want to say fakeness, but you know, there's
1:35:31
just a lot of people like putting on they like play a character. They're
1:35:34
putting on a showy, they got a thing. And then I never figured
1:35:38
that out, so I just didn't bother. So, you know, but
1:35:42
I think authenticity is what people want. I think, especially now that the
1:35:45
Internet's become like kind of passe, like normalized, Like it's not like,
1:35:50
oh my god, that person on the Internet. That's weird. Right now,
1:35:54
everybody's on the Internet. So I think there is something about that.
1:35:59
And I don't I do kind of get it from Chris Williamson, I have
1:36:02
to say, but I don't get it from Alex. I feel like he's
1:36:05
giving us a representative. He's sitting an ambassador for his brand. Right.
1:36:11
Well, Chris looks like he's just sort of he's just like a fitness He's
1:36:15
like a fitness guy. Yeah, but he's on a journey. But my
1:36:18
point is that when you look at these guys and yeah, sure, I
1:36:23
mean, maybe they can be inspirational to go and get your fitness goals in
1:36:27
and whatever else, but they're not going to they're not going to have an
1:36:31
experience with the average man's experience with the dating pool. They're just not.
1:36:39
So wait until they start to be on the other side of the curve.
1:36:44
And men have this too, when they start to get gray in their beard,
1:36:48
when you know, like they're they're starting to deal with with erectile difficulties,
1:36:55
other kind of stuff. You know, there start to be less that
1:37:00
that lifestyle tends to be there, tend to be getting less and less from
1:37:04
it. And that's when you have to ask, Okay, well now you're
1:37:09
now you have to rely on your authenticity. Now you have to rely on
1:37:15
your social skills that you've developed, And how do they do then? And
1:37:19
in my experience, like I was saying, a lot of these guys crash
1:37:21
and burn. So I think that the the benefit you're going to get out
1:37:30
of talking to or listening to a guy who is a I don't know seven
1:37:34
or higher like up up there, you know what I mean. Yeah,
1:37:38
it's going to be minimal if you're an average guy, and what you want
1:37:44
to look for is guys who've got their life pretty well set up and they
1:37:48
are you know, they're not they're not really high. They're not they're not
1:37:53
part of the group of men who women would look at and say, oh,
1:37:57
yeah, he's attractive immediately. M hm. That makes sense. Yeah,
1:38:01
I think saying that they're unattractive. But what what guys are trying to
1:38:08
do, Like Alex, I think if they if they appear put together,
1:38:14
then other men will find that inspiring. But I think that if it's if
1:38:18
you're comfortable and you have like, uh, I don't care what you think
1:38:24
about me kind of attitude, I think that you might do better. I
1:38:29
think that men have like there's something men don't look at just like, oh,
1:38:31
look at how shredded that guy is. Like I think that men are
1:38:34
like, oh wow, that guy. You know, he's so he's so
1:38:40
frank, he's so earnest, he's so you know, he's got integrity.
1:38:44
He seems honorable, right, he's decent, but not a pushover. That's
1:38:47
the stuff that I think guys want to see. I think it's like these
1:38:50
kind of internal qualities. You know, they they're they're expressing the virtues like
1:38:57
like temperance and uh some stoicism and you know, and and wisdom. I
1:39:04
think that's the stuff that guys want. They want to see that because that's
1:39:09
what they want to know. It's just me. Yeah, And if I
1:39:12
were talking to Alex, I think i'd find that thing on his chin very
1:39:15
distracting. Some I guess some women are into it. I don't. I
1:39:23
know, he's probably niche maxing of some kind. Yeah, but I'm like
1:39:29
that would just be triggering my autism the entire time. He probably find me
1:39:34
like creeping after him with a pair of scissors. Yeah. I kind of
1:39:39
regret telling people about the emails because now jan Newman can't stop putting him on
1:39:43
the screen. But anyway, let's you want to play some more or should
1:39:49
we wrap it up? We can do more of this. There is there
1:39:51
is a say okay, go ahead and deal with that. There there is
1:39:57
a couple of other sections and I think is useful, but we don't want
1:40:00
to do the whole thing. I would say takeaways from Alex's survey on dating
1:40:04
struggles is good trying to correct the ideology of in cells might be like,
1:40:10
I think that could be its own show. Some of this other stuff is
1:40:14
kind of like no, no shit, you know, but that I would
1:40:17
I wouldn't. I think it'd be good to go through the what the red
1:40:20
Pill is doing to marriage part because I think that bit. I don't remember
1:40:26
it exactly, but I feel like it's it's kind of in the same ballpark
1:40:30
that like a lot of these Daily Wire guys were doing, where they were
1:40:33
just like, well it's tough, but you just got to do it,
1:40:36
and you know, Pearl was giving it to them and rightly. So I
1:40:41
think that's more like that, and I think that it's very important because the
1:40:44
thing is like we gotta you know, you gotta fix the laws, guys.
1:40:48
That's the only way, Like, you gotta fix the laws. I'm
1:40:51
sorry, I'm I'm you know, I am a small government guy. I
1:40:56
don't want to bring the state in. But the only way that's gonna change
1:40:59
that you it's not bringing the state in, it's taking it out. That's
1:41:02
what has to happen. You have to get it out of marriage, you
1:41:05
have to get it out of divorce. You have to make things more well
1:41:11
just I don't even want to say equitable or fair. I just want to
1:41:14
say just. It has to be more just, and it's not right now.
1:41:17
And you know you're seeing this all the time, Like, oh,
1:41:21
speaking of the rejection thing, I don't remember off the top of my head.
1:41:27
Let me look real quick, but do you remember the story There was
1:41:30
like a sports thing in Spain or something. Let me see here, Yeah,
1:41:36
you know the one the guy yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Rubyalz
1:41:42
banned for three years over World Cup kiss. Former Spanish Football Federation president Lewis
1:41:47
ruby aals Is banned from all football related activities for three years by FIFA because
1:41:54
he was excited at like a victory and he kissed one of the players,
1:41:58
right, it was a woman, And yeah, like this is what this
1:42:02
is why men are a little bit reluctant to approach. You could tell me
1:42:08
this is rare, but the point is that these are very high profile examples
1:42:12
and they're everywhere. And some of these guys they go to jail for decades.
1:42:16
What was his name from that seventy show He got like thirty something years
1:42:25
or like something that is not proven that happened like twenty years ago. I
1:42:31
mean, that's why would guys put themselves through that, and these are like
1:42:35
these are like the top one percent Masterson, That's right, these guys are
1:42:41
like, these are like one percent dudes, Like these are guys that can
1:42:45
have any one Danny Masterson, thank you, treat surgeon, and and so
1:42:53
like what happens to the regular guy? What happens to the regular guy and
1:42:57
then his friends, his cohos co stars or whatever from that Stepney shows like
1:43:00
Ashton Kutcher and me Lacutas, they throw them under the bus. We believe
1:43:03
survivors we don't even know, So like, have you guys considered that that
1:43:11
climate? Well? And also these these these poles that this pole he supposedly
1:43:17
conducted, how do we know When men answer them, they're not concerned about
1:43:21
what the reaction would be if they said I'm worried about legal consequences, and
1:43:27
so instead they just say, well, I'm afraid of rejection. But really
1:43:30
it's this other thing. I just don't want people to think because if you
1:43:33
say, well, I don't want to be falsely accused, what's the feminist
1:43:36
response to that? Well, what do you have to be afraid of?
1:43:39
Are you some kind of abuser? So it's kind of like it's a you
1:43:45
know, damned if you do, damned if you don't. All right,
1:43:49
I got another super chat from Albernata. Retro gets his two dollars and says
1:43:54
Brian gained confidences during his Manudo days. I was not in Manudo. I
1:43:59
don't know who told you that I was. I probably wouldn't be doing this.
1:44:04
I'd be on the Save by the Bell remake or Something'll be hosting extra.
1:44:12
All right. I think that's all the super Child, So, uh,
1:44:16
do you want to keep going or should we like wrap it up or
1:44:20
something. Let's uh, let's okay, how far are we into this this
1:44:26
section? Uh, this is kind of like close to the middle of it,
1:44:30
so there's probably what are we at ten forty four and it's like three
1:44:34
two minutes left? See if we can get through it? All right,
1:44:38
let's play the rest of this and kind of runs against I think a lot
1:44:42
of common held dating commentary on the internet because it's very difficult for us to
1:44:47
quantify what intellectual compatibility or sapio sexual success actually is, right, Like,
1:44:56
no one's talking about that on the internet, you know those say and I
1:45:00
hear this, SOHO house as a research base for you to go out of
1:45:04
should be one of the first places that you look at. If you sit
1:45:08
around the pool at any SOHO house on a Saturday afternoon in a relatively warm
1:45:12
country, you will get so many fascinating stories about girls in there from twenty
1:45:18
five to forty and their dating challenges. And dude, I it's my ethnographic
1:45:25
like in person research center, and I'll just sit and just ask questions or
1:45:30
overhear conversations about what people are talking about. And a lot of the conversations
1:45:33
that these girls are saying is, you know, guys are intellectually immature,
1:45:39
emotionally immature. They don't really understand how to take care of themselves. And
1:45:43
then I say, okay, so if you tried dating older, like if
1:45:45
you look okay, pausing it there, So these guys aren't measuring up in
1:45:53
some other way, So what the okay, what are you going to say?
1:45:58
I play the rest of this, Yeah, just play the rest of
1:46:00
it. Like the thing is that I mean, yeah, okay, your
1:46:02
anecdote is fascinating. Yeah, but here's the thing. Men are held to
1:46:10
a standard of maturity, are women? Yeah, held to it? In
1:46:15
other words, women are judged based on how well they control their crying,
1:46:21
their emotions. How there's that they don't express them, that they focus on
1:46:26
goals, that they focus on protecting and providing for others, that kind of
1:46:29
adult behavior, like how much are are you know? What are these women
1:46:35
comparing these men to themselves? I mean, and honestly, it's not that
1:46:40
I necessarily disagree with them. In my own experience, there is a deficit
1:46:45
and kind of socialization of men, but it's because they don't have relationships with
1:46:51
other men anymore. Like you don't have the bull elephants sort of teaching the
1:46:56
younger elephants not to be dicks, you know, not only quite like that,
1:47:00
but you know what I mean, right, Yeah, Basically you're just
1:47:05
saying, what's the situation for women? You have a whole branch of socialization
1:47:12
of young men that doesn't happen anymore. M h. Originally it happened through
1:47:17
boys and men socializing with each other yep, to a degree, you know,
1:47:23
and fathers and brothers. M hm. Yes, and that's that's not
1:47:30
really happening. All right. I got a super chat from albert Ata retro.
1:47:34
He just dropped some emojis, so thank you. I don't know,
1:47:39
laugh emoji, cry laugh emoji and then like, I guess a rolling cry
1:47:42
laugh malone. I don't even know how to describe it, but thank you
1:47:45
for the emojis and the two dollars Canadian thank you. Okay, Layler looked
1:47:50
at you know, thirty thirty five forty. They say yeah, And you
1:47:55
know, these problems aren't necessarily solved by the passage of time. That there
1:48:00
are you know, adult infants and sort of man children all over the place.
1:48:03
And again with this, it would be the low resolution solution to this
1:48:11
would be don't worry about trying to become intellectually or emotionally interesting or mature.
1:48:17
Just earn more and you will be able to offset your emotional immaturity. That
1:48:23
would be kind of common health Internet wisdom, at least for a lot of
1:48:26
men. Okay, just a second, are you fucking kidding me? Consider
1:48:32
the difference in standard that women are held to in terms of their behavior towards
1:48:39
men, and the difference in standard of men are held to towards their behavior
1:48:42
and women, like men, are told not to hit women. Okay,
1:48:47
that is legally enforced. All of the evidence points to women hitting more,
1:48:56
and the only evidence that supposedly contrad that is taken from from highly selected studies
1:49:04
of I don't know women abused abused women's shelters. So yeah, women are
1:49:11
hting more unilaterally than men. Women engage in more coercive control. Like what
1:49:17
standard are we losing here? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you when you say
1:49:25
that boys, young men are not poorly socialized. I would agree with you.
1:49:30
There's a huge component of their socialization that they would have gotten in the
1:49:33
past that they're no longer getting, which is relationships with other men, which
1:49:38
is positive relationships with other men, which is other men helping them and teaching
1:49:43
them how to behave how to have a conversation, how to take turns talking,
1:49:47
how to present something interesting, how to tell when someone's fucking bored at
1:49:51
what you're talking about. All of that stuff usually was worked out between men.
1:49:59
Okay, and I've seen that process in the discord. Okay, that
1:50:03
doesn't happen. So there are some guys that I've seen even floating into the
1:50:09
discord, the HBr discord, absolutely terribly socialized. Like and the funny thing
1:50:16
is is that these guys are usually the ones that are absolutely obsessed with the
1:50:24
idea that a woman is going to fix them. Yeah, you know,
1:50:27
a woman's gonna come into our It is a religious belief. It's like the
1:50:30
fem Jesus is going to come into my life and my life will be perfect.
1:50:35
That's like, no, that's not gonna happen. But they need that
1:50:40
belief in order to keep functioning, you know. And yeah, there is
1:50:45
a big problem. We have constructed, a gigantic problem for ourselves. And
1:50:50
the least of it is that women who are most likely as infantile, if
1:50:57
not more than the men that they're complaining about, aren't getting approached and aren't
1:51:01
getting the relationships they want. That's the least of it. At this point,
1:51:05
I'm more concerned about making sure young men continue with the you know,
1:51:13
like I mean, just on a personal selfish level, I'd like to keep
1:51:15
electricity as a thing. Yeah, yeah, you guys are talking about all
1:51:23
the young men's aren't approached. Who gives a fuck. Let's keep electricity as
1:51:28
a thing and we'll worry about this other shit as it goes. I mean,
1:51:30
it's really critical because we do need to have a future. But here's
1:51:34
the other thing. What happened to you know, the whole idea that women.
1:51:42
I mean, we used to talk about how women socializing men was,
1:51:45
like you know, it's it's sort of missing miss misinterests. But that's almost
1:51:50
better than this. Yeah, it's like you expect this man to just just
1:51:56
act like someone who has been in a long term relationship would act. Like.
1:52:01
The thing is that the long term relationship itself is the process of accommodating
1:52:06
each other because you know, learning to when you need to just be like
1:52:12
okay, dear, and then and then they'll do it for you when you're
1:52:16
having a hissy fit over I don't know, having a migraine or something,
1:52:20
right, you know, it's a give and take and learning that give and
1:52:25
take is a process of maturation in and of itself. So what and what
1:52:29
happened to this whole thing? Like, Oh, you get into relationship with
1:52:31
a man, you grow together, so to a degree you raise, you
1:52:35
raise him, he most likely raises you too. All Right, you grow
1:52:40
as people together. I guess that's out the window. Now. They just
1:52:43
want a man who is perfect right out of the starting gate, are they?
1:52:48
I don't know anyway, Yeah, I just like how all of this
1:52:53
has gone from you know, men are cowards or men are risk adverse.
1:52:56
That's why they're not approaching women to Men are not actually giving and what they
1:53:00
want men are children. Like it, okay, Chris, because you seem
1:53:04
the more sensible of the two. At what point do you stop blaming men?
1:53:09
Yeah, like, you know, like, is this this is something
1:53:13
that we all do in this society. It's very rare to find people who
1:53:16
don't do it. We're some of them. Okay, but what we've noticed
1:53:21
us standing here on the not blaming men, you know, uh sieur side,
1:53:30
which is very thin, let's admit it. So we notice that you
1:53:34
guys on the other side, that's basically all you do. You just sit
1:53:40
there, you know, and you got I don't know, you like a
1:53:43
in a on a on a mound surrounded by alligators, which are the the
1:53:47
the brass tacks of the reality that you're constructing for yourself, and you'd you're
1:53:51
like a bunch of fucking dodo birds like you, Chris, and you're just
1:53:55
sitting there and then one of you get snapped up by an alligator and you're
1:53:59
like, don't don't, well, that's men's fault. Then another one gets
1:54:03
snapped up by an alligator. Oh that's men, It's like, and it's
1:54:08
starting to feel like blaming men is your is basically your way of saying,
1:54:12
we refuse to recognize the problem is the alligators. Yep, good lord,
1:54:17
all right, all right, let's hear some more blaming men. Yeah,
1:54:23
yeah, exactly. I think a lot of people don't think about that.
1:54:26
And something I noticed when I followed up and I and I saw that it
1:54:29
was so big on that intellectual compatibility. I ask people, well, what
1:54:30
does that mean to you when you see a question like that? And a
1:54:33
lot of men interpret it to me like, but I'm very intelligent, I
1:54:36
have a very high IQ. And I don't think that's exactly what women mean
1:54:41
when they're when they're saying I can't find a man who is intellectually compatible.
1:54:44
I don't think they mean, yeah, they mean politically compatible. That's what
1:54:47
I'm saying, Like, this is the problem is that, And that's and
1:54:50
the truth is too, that's not really what women want, like they they'll
1:54:57
say that, but they know they want they I think what women want generally
1:55:01
is someone who's going to at least challenge them, like I mean, they
1:55:08
may not say it, but I think that's what they want. I think
1:55:11
anybody wants a friend or partner that they they feel challenged by because they respect
1:55:18
that. And I think that when you ask women what they want, they
1:55:24
generally don't tell you. I mean, I'm sorry for danger of like,
1:55:29
you know, making stereotypes. I think generally women don't say what they want.
1:55:32
They just kind of feel it and then like and they and they have
1:55:35
to make these kind of assumptions. They have to say, oh, you
1:55:41
know, I want him to be intellectually compatible, which means I want him
1:55:44
to agree with me politically. But if I allow that, I'm gonna basically
1:55:47
like hate him because he's not gonna push back on anything. He's not gonna
1:55:51
challenge me. He's just gonna agree with everything. So they say, I
1:55:56
want a SIMP, but I don't want a simp, so that that's the
1:55:58
problem, And that's what I think. I mean, maybe I'm wrong,
1:56:02
but that's what I think. So you know what I'm saying, Alison or
1:56:08
me, you can decision. Yeah I do. But here's okay again,
1:56:11
We're we're talking about how men are disappointing women in relationships, and the problem
1:56:17
is that men are no longer approaching women for relationships. Yes, Like,
1:56:24
do you understand how this seems to be like complict This discussion seems really dumb.
1:56:29
Like the progression of the discussion is men aren't approaching women for relationships.
1:56:35
Okay, well that's because they're risk adverse. Your assumption is that these men
1:56:41
actually want relationships, now, yeah, like that, there's the other assumption.
1:56:46
Guys can say, yeah, I'm risk adverse, but this it's more
1:56:51
than just risk. It's risk assessment. So these men are not just looking
1:56:57
at oh, I could face a false accusation, then looking at I can
1:57:00
face a false accusation, And at the end of the day, is it
1:57:02
worth it? And they're saying no, Yeah, they're opting out. It's
1:57:08
like they're removing themselves from Yeah, they've just decided it's not worth it.
1:57:13
So why are we now having a discussion about how the men who haven't opted
1:57:20
out are failing the women that they're with. Because this is actually sort of
1:57:27
hilarious too, because he's saying, well, if you just keep at it,
1:57:30
if you endure a year of rejection, you might be one of the
1:57:34
lucky thirteen percent that ends up in a long term relationship. Incidentally, a
1:57:39
lot of that thirteen percent was two long term relationships in a year. So
1:57:43
these are not long term relationships. I don't know how the hell he's defining
1:57:45
them, but anyway, Oh yeah, so yeah, so this you might
1:57:50
be part of them. But here's how you if you're part of that long
1:57:55
term relationship. Here's how you're disappointing the ladies. Oh good lord, yeah,
1:58:01
just let's blame men more. Oh oh oh, bob, God eaten,
1:58:06
blame men. Okay, let's keep going. All right, a little
1:58:10
bit more and everyone is stupid? Are they not? High? Iq?
1:58:13
I think they mean, is it someone that's interesting that can connect to me
1:58:16
emotionally, that can connect to me on a mental level and relate to me,
1:58:20
which is related to cognitive ability as part of what's called social cognition theory
1:58:25
of mind. How well do you understand the emotional states of another person?
1:58:30
How well can you predict accurately what the other person is thinking? I think
1:58:32
not being boring is actually a really big part of it, as well as
1:58:35
far as that intellectual compatibility. If you have nothing that you relate on,
1:58:40
hey, here you go go to relate to someone as probably a big part
1:58:44
of it, where if I'm just saying, you know, this is something
1:58:47
that you can completely avoid by just not even gathering. Yeah, I mean
1:58:53
sounds like playing whack a mole. Everyone's here's what it is, here's what
1:58:59
it is. Okay, all right, So this guy is trying to tell
1:59:02
men who have decided that the risk is not worth it. And again it's
1:59:10
not just these guys are like, oh, we're just risk averse and we're
1:59:15
just not doing it. It's also it's a calculation is this risk worth the
1:59:21
reward? Every risk aversion aversive person is going to be making these calculations.
1:59:27
You think those guys don't get into the car and drive to work. Yes,
1:59:31
that's a risk, but the reward for them is worth it. I
1:59:36
bet they fly. That's a risk, but the reward for them is worth
1:59:41
it. Hell, they probably even have dangerous hobbies. Again, the reward
1:59:46
is worth it. Okay. So when you call them risk adverse, you're
1:59:50
only capturing one side to the equation. The other side is is the reward
1:59:56
worth it? Now, men who are more risk verse are going to have
2:00:01
a higher criteria for reward in order to take a risk. Do you see
2:00:08
what I'm saying? Yes, like they must. They might risk it.
2:00:13
If it's if it's something that they really want, they may risk it,
2:00:18
Okay, but it's going to be a higher So if the quality of the
2:00:24
good that they're risking for is going down, they're more likely to walk away,
2:00:29
just out of a practical assessment of the relationship between risk and reward.
2:00:33
And incidentally, the other thing is that if you're finding that the people,
2:00:36
the men who still approach women have high risk tolerance, that may also be
2:00:42
a distortion of the fact that most of them are fucking psychos. Okay,
2:00:45
all right, but anyway, so these guys who are avoiding approaching women,
2:00:50
the reward is not worth the risk for them. It's not just the risk.
2:00:56
The reward is not worth the risk. And what you're doing here,
2:01:00
I guarantee, is reinforcing the fact that the reward is not worth the risk.
2:01:06
Okay. Yeah, this entire conversation about being intellectually compatible as a woman,
2:01:15
if I was hearing men judging me based on that, I would be
2:01:18
turned off. Okay, because it doesn't make any fucking goddamns be this way,
2:01:25
be that way, but don't be that way. I'm like, what
2:01:27
can we just have an honest relationship? You know what I mean. It
2:01:31
just sounds like a bunch of hocum right, Like, do you share interests?
2:01:39
Do you generally share a set of principles? Okay? Good? Can
2:01:45
you enjoy each other's company? Okay? Good? The end? What the
2:01:48
hell is this shit? I'm gonna tell you what. I how I respond
2:01:54
as a woman to this, and I think men have every right to respond
2:01:58
in the same way. This sound like a bunch of abusive hoops that somebody
2:02:03
is setting up and taking out their whip and smacking you in the ass and
2:02:10
saying jump. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to this bullshit? And
2:02:16
I'm like, I'm just simply looking at this as a woman and how I'm
2:02:20
reacting to it. If a man presented this shit to me, all right?
2:02:25
And I believe in equality, Alex, so I believe men can look
2:02:30
at what you're saying and say, no, no, thank you? Is
2:02:34
this so this? I have to go through a year of fucking rejection to
2:02:40
just be part of the lucky thirteen percent who has to jump through these shitting
2:02:44
hoops? No, that's okay. Do you get what I'm coming from?
2:02:47
Yeah, yeah, no, I do. Absolutely, He's not really selling
2:02:54
this. No, he's not really selling the reward here, good lord,
2:03:00
or and here that that is a lot of my position on all of these
2:03:03
things. I look at this situation as a woman, I imagine how it
2:03:08
would feel if I had to do this shit, and I'm like, you
2:03:12
know, I wouldn't like it. I wouldn't like having to go up to
2:03:16
men over and over and over again, risking them picking out some quality that
2:03:24
I have that they find objectionable, mocking me for it, and then going
2:03:30
to their friends and whispering about me so that they can laugh too. Okay,
2:03:34
if that was going to happen, you know that that actually might you
2:03:40
know, as a woman, that might make me never approach a man again.
2:03:44
And then I imagine, and that's not even just like like the the
2:03:47
just the going up there like the we also we started this whole discussion and
2:03:51
Chris was talking about how a woman expressed the the the the fear, the
2:03:57
feeling of rejection. No, it's not work for women. It's just men
2:04:00
are more a nerd to it, so that feeling. I wouldn't want to
2:04:05
have to go go through that daily or weekly for a for a year in
2:04:12
order to have a one in ten chance of something like a long term relationship.
2:04:17
Okay. If this was the situation for women, there would be an
2:04:23
entire feminist sub movement devoted to how approaching men is misogyny, Having to approach
2:04:31
men is misogyny, and women shouldn't be expected to do it. Okay,
2:04:36
So all of this this shit doesn't even go into how what would feel if
2:04:41
I approached a man? You know, I'm running the risk. Okay,
2:04:44
maybe he rejects me politely. Fine, most men would, right, That's
2:04:47
fine. I can deal with that. It's not too bad. One one
2:04:51
in, like I don't know ten is going to do something really shitty like
2:04:55
mock me with his with his friends and then just start, you know,
2:04:59
harrat doing like the group sniggering thing. Okay, fine, I guess I'll
2:05:03
just get a therapist, right, and some Xanax and drink myself to sleep.
2:05:08
You know. Then we get into one in a hundred. I charge
2:05:13
me with something you know, might go to the bouncer, and then I
2:05:16
get thrown out in my ear and all the patrons of the bar are staring
2:05:19
at me like I'm a leper, or the cocks to hr and I get
2:05:25
fucking fired and I can't support myself or you know, they go to the
2:05:30
police, and then suddenly I have a whole bunch of fucking cops in my
2:05:34
life. I'm like thinking about this, and this is getting a little bit
2:05:39
more intense. I'm more like, I'm doing all this for a one in
2:05:42
ten chance. And then I have this dude telling me about how as a
2:05:46
woman, I'm gonna have to go into a relationship and try to understand all
2:05:51
of the mental hoops this man wants me to jump through in order to make
2:05:56
him feel good about himself, which is a moving target because you know,
2:06:00
he's externalized all that shit, you know, and it's he's made it my
2:06:05
responsibility to make him feel whatever thing he wants to feel, and it doesn't
2:06:11
see it's like it's it's never clear what I should be saying, or it's
2:06:15
there's no concretes, it's no explanation, so it's always just a moving target.
2:06:21
Wow, So I have jumped through the hoop of simple rejection, the
2:06:26
hoop of rejection that is also like socially traumatic, the hoop of rejection that
2:06:34
could have serious social consequences, serious legal consequences, serious consequences to my career,
2:06:42
I have landed on getting a relationship with a man. Now I have
2:06:45
to jump through more stupid hoops, ill defined hoops to illustrate some some ability
2:06:51
that it's so vague, it's just nonsense. I mean, at this point,
2:06:58
as a woman looking at the I'm like, guys, why, Like
2:07:05
I, as a woman, I wouldn't do it. I mean, you've
2:07:09
pretty much lost me at like a year worth of rejection. Friend, I'm
2:07:14
not doing it, okay much less all of that other shit. And then
2:07:18
my reward is some dude is gonna be whipping me through fucking whoops of fire.
2:07:25
Good lord, you are the worst salesman. Like I would not be
2:07:35
surprised that men are watching this video and immediately they're like, you know,
2:07:41
I was gonna go out and you know they're listening to this dude talk about
2:07:44
all this shit. Who's like, you know, I was gonna go out
2:07:46
and maybe see if I could say hi to a lady. But after listening
2:07:50
to this dude and what I'm gonna get, eh, fuck it. I
2:07:54
mean, he's single handedly probably turning more men off of relationships. But do
2:08:00
continue, do continue to tell us about all of the things that men are
2:08:03
doing wrong, all of the things that men are failing the women in their
2:08:07
relationships, all of the ways that men are immature or selfish or not intellectually
2:08:13
hoop jumping. Enough, Okay, keep keep going with that. I'm sure
2:08:20
there will be a few more of of the people on your side of the
2:08:24
of the line of male blame that disappear, and nobody can tell why.
2:08:30
I don't know, I really stretch that metaphor. No, it's okay.
2:08:33
I think I think this is a good place to stop it. We've gone
2:08:37
for like a little over two hours. I'm looking at all of this and
2:08:41
I don't understand it. Yeah, I know a woman I would have walked
2:08:46
away long ago. And I think, like these guys, like the way
2:08:50
that they present this shit, I'm like, this is not this is not
2:08:54
this is not a situation for a human. This is not fit for man
2:09:00
nor beast. Okay, And I I believe in equality, so I think
2:09:07
men should have every right to have the opinion and the emotions that I have
2:09:11
towards this situation. Okay, but now continue to turn men off relationships,
2:09:20
Alex, no skin off my nose? Really? Yeah? All right,
2:09:26
Well, I don't let me look here, I don't have any more super
2:09:31
chows or super chats or rumble rants. We got yeah you could. I
2:09:39
mean there's still a little time. But this is good. I think we
2:09:43
got to gist. Maybe maybe we can go another like, maybe another time
2:09:48
we can do U trying to correct the ideology of in cells, which is
2:09:52
fall sections or yeah, it's it's basically there's a little bit left there,
2:09:58
like think two minutes left, two minutes to this section, Yeah, to
2:10:05
this section. Let's try it just a little bit more. All right,
2:10:09
let me go back to it. You know, someone could be really smart,
2:10:13
but you still might not find intellectual compatibility there. So it's not necessarily
2:10:18
men are stupid. I think everyone's dumb, but it could be kind of
2:10:22
like you said, you know, I have a hard time relating to these
2:10:24
men. They seem very immature in that sense. Yeah, I think just
2:10:26
paying attention to people seems to be incredibly rare. You know, it's kind
2:10:31
of I guess guys talk about this a lot that it sometimes seems to men
2:10:37
that when they're in a relationship, women respond to them differently than when they're
2:10:41
not. You know, they're just sat around a dinner table or a bar
2:10:45
or whatever, just having a chat. And I wonder whether that kind of
2:10:50
gets rid of a few things, the fact that you're if you're in a
2:10:52
committed relationship, you're not trying to pull so okay, I think it's worth
2:11:00
bringing out. It is a little bit, but I think there's an important
2:11:03
point here. So what I think what Chris Williamson is trying to say is
2:11:07
that, and I think the other guy's probably gonna agree with him. Women
2:11:13
are more attracted to men who are already accounted for, who are already married
2:11:18
or already in relationships, And I think that what they're speculating is, oh,
2:11:24
well, if a man is in a relationship, he's going to carry
2:11:28
himself a little differently. He's going to have a different way that he presents
2:11:33
himself, a different way he carries himself, he's gonna have more confidence,
2:11:35
et cetera. And I think to some degree that is true when I'm with
2:11:41
like, you know, when I'm when I'm with Lindsey, I get a
2:11:46
lot more looks and stuff. But I think that's part of it. But
2:11:50
I also think that women want what other women have, and I think I
2:11:56
think this goes back to the whole thing about where I talking about how the
2:12:01
numbers that they ask for six sixty six. You know, it's not it's
2:12:07
not that they're like looking at the height of a guy and like they know
2:12:09
how tall he is or how much is in his bank account. They just
2:12:13
see that he is a guy that they usually look at it from like the
2:12:18
relationship. Oh, my friend has a guy that has all these things,
2:12:20
so I gotta have a guy that has these things. So it's a it's
2:12:24
almost still it's it's still intersexual competition. And a man who's with someone is
2:12:31
already qualified because he's with someone, So now the women want to be with
2:12:35
that guy. So it's it's partly probably because of the way that he carries
2:12:39
himself and the way that he acts, but I think another big part of
2:12:41
it is the fact that she's the woman is like, well, he's with
2:12:45
someone, so he must be worth having and that and that's that's what though
2:12:48
a man who's alone is actually disadvantage even more because women are like, well,
2:12:54
why are you with somebody? What's wrong with you? Right? So
2:12:58
this is like a bigger this is a bigger challenge for guys, and that
2:13:01
guy could be like all put together have, you know, be in really
2:13:05
great shape, have like good money, be really intelligent. But if he's
2:13:07
alone, then women are gonna be like, well, why is he alone?
2:13:11
What's wrong? So anyway, that's what I think. Yeah, I
2:13:18
think it's a bit of a digression. But like I said this, I
2:13:20
think that's a female perspective. This sounds like a horrible deal. Like you're
2:13:28
pot constantly jumping through hoops. You jump through hoops with the rejection, you
2:13:31
jump through hoops with the legal consequences, you jump through hoops in the relationship,
2:13:37
and all your reward is is more hoops to jump through. God damn.
2:13:43
Like I what baffles me is not that men are walking away. What
2:13:46
baffles me as the men who still play. Yeah, congratulation, guys really
2:13:54
taking one for the team there, all right, I want to play the
2:13:58
rest for me. I think that's going to be okay, let's see what
2:14:05
Alex has to say. So it actually does a couple of things. It
2:14:07
lowers the stakes because you're not there's no such thing as rejection here. She's
2:14:11
not on the docket as far as you're concerned. And I also wonder whether
2:14:16
some of the sort of chest beating peacocktail fluffing that kind of goes on when
2:14:22
guys feel like they need to do a thing to impress a girl and maybe
2:14:26
even counter signals that they don't like. Whereas the dude that sits back and
2:14:30
asks what she's interested in or just kind of lets this person waffle on at
2:14:35
them actually comes across as being more intellectually engaging because they're just letting it come
2:14:41
and go nice and easily. Yeah, exactly. Some fluency in conversation there
2:14:46
is probably really related to it as well, because something we know about sex
2:14:48
differences in intelligence is that men tend to score a little bit higher in visiospatial
2:14:54
but women tend to score a little bit higher in verbal intelligence. So women
2:14:58
may be a little bit better at communicating, having those conversations, holding them
2:15:01
and engaging. And so if if men are not, in general, you
2:15:05
know, if they're a little bit worse, women might struggle to find that,
2:15:09
Like, is this someone that can kind of just ramble on in a
2:15:11
sense, they can they hold an interesting conversation. No, nothing in his
2:15:16
cosmology about the worth of women, the reward that men get for facing these
2:15:22
risks, none of it. It's a complete, complete void. Because and
2:15:31
I honestly don't know why, because if he's a dating coach, she has
2:15:35
no ability to change that. All he can do is make money off of
2:15:39
men's thirst. And if men's thirst dries up, where is he? Hello?
2:15:46
Guys? Yeah? Yes, okay, I mean all right. One
2:15:50
thing that men could learn that I don't know if this guy's offers is how
2:15:56
to discern, you know, discernment around women to figure out there what they
2:16:03
should have, what are their virtues? M h okay, that's good.
2:16:07
I don't think we have to add anything. Yeah that I'm just saying,
2:16:11
like it's it's not really selling if I were, if I were men,
2:16:15
this wouldn't be selling relationships to me. Not only do you have to to
2:16:18
jump through a year through a little full of hoops of rejection in order to
2:16:22
even have a chance at a something like a long term relationship. I don't
2:16:26
know if I really define two long term relationships in a year as being long
2:16:33
term relationships, But you know, have a chance at the long term relationship,
2:16:37
but then what you get is more more hoops to jump through. Yep,
2:16:43
Okay, I got a superchow. I just got one from playing Dane
2:16:52
and he gives us five dollars through super Chow and says it's kind of like
2:17:01
the quote I won't hire you because you have no experience meme. Yeah,
2:17:07
that is that's true. That's true. Like a man who is in a
2:17:11
relationship is like he's essentially like social proof. So you know, that's what
2:17:16
and that's going to be attractive to win because they're they're they're they're really risk
2:17:20
averse, right, so they're gonna want to be, you know, involved
2:17:24
with something that's a sure thing or close to a sure thing. All right.
2:17:31
So that's all of the super chat. Let me just double check here
2:17:35
know nothing else. So Alison wants you, I guess take us out.
2:17:41
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2:17:45
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2:17:48
I am, but you can do like the last things and yeah, I'll
2:17:52
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2:18:16
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2:18:24
men approaching? To how are men disappointing women in relationships? Did you notice
2:18:28
that that's a really Yeah? Absolutely, And I think that he's doing a
2:18:37
really good job. Like if I just look at this, you know it's
2:18:39
a woman's perspective. He's doing a really good job not selling me on relationships.
2:18:43
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2:18:48
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2:19:16
I got one other thing I wanted to say, so, doctor Randa Mcam
2:19:20
is in the States visiting with Lauren in Connecticut, and they want to come
2:19:26
down to Roanoke around International Men'sday, which is Friday the seventeenth of this month.
2:19:35
And what they specifically, Mike and I were talking about is doing a
2:19:39
meetup. So I know that Rono, Virginia isn't exactly you know, the
2:19:46
most pop and joint, but there are there are some places that we can
2:19:50
go to and it's it's you know, like on the East Ish coast.
2:19:56
So if you're interested in coming to our meet up, we're gonna do a
2:20:01
meet up on Saturday the eighteenth. So because Friday the seventeenth isn't great for
2:20:05
everybody, I think they'll be coming in you know, probably like right around
2:20:11
that day. So what we're thinking is we are gonna do something on Saturday
2:20:16
the eighteen, do a meetup. I have some bars picked out that we
2:20:18
could go to and like just kind of like hang out with each other.
2:20:22
So if you're interested in joining us for a meetup, that's the plan.
2:20:26
Don't have a location just yet. We're just gonna like focus on letting you
2:20:30
know we have that planned and it's gonna be in Roanoke and that's the southwestern
2:20:35
part of Virginia. So if you're interested, maybe you know, let us
2:20:39
know, let us know in the comments, would you like to go.
2:20:41
We're gonna set up the things very soon and probably mention it again tomorrow on
2:20:46
the news show. So anyway, that's it. For International Men'sday. It'll
2:20:50
be Lauren, me, Mike and my wife Lindsay and maybe Jojo depending on
2:20:56
like what you know, where we can take him. That's it. I
2:21:01
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