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Joe Rogan Experience _2468 - Luke Grimes · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Joe Roman podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out, the show Regan Experience, showIn My Day,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Rogan podcast, by Night all Day, this is it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been listening to the show for years.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've been watching your show for years. Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Are we rolling? Jamie? All right?
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful? I love your fucking show. It's great. Oh thanks man,
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: it's really awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I haven't watched Marshalls yet. Is it out now?
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  Speaker 1: It is? When did it come out March first? Oh? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so they just had the second episode air.
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  Speaker 2: I like the binge man. Yeah, wait, wait a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: stay offline.
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  Speaker 1: I like to sit down and binge them for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But Yellstone's fucking awesome. It's such a great show. Did
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  Speaker 2: you have any idea it was gonna be what it is?
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  Speaker 1: Uh not? No, I don't think anybody did. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it would find an audience for sure. I mean Taylor
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  Speaker 1: was really, you know hot at the time. He'd been
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  Speaker 1: nominated for Oscars, and I was kind of like surprised
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  Speaker 1: he was even writing a television show. He was just
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  Speaker 1: like so hot. In the film There's How.
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  Speaker 2: The fuck does that guy even sleep? I don't know, man,
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  Speaker 2: where does he have the time. Every time I look
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  Speaker 2: in the news or there's a new show that he's doing,
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  Speaker 2: a new thing he's doing, is like, how are you
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  Speaker 2: doing all this?
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  Speaker 1: It's impressive? You know. I feel like there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people I've worked with or they do things that
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  Speaker 1: are impressive, but his is impossible, right, you know, Like
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  Speaker 1: some of you like, could you direct a movie as
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  Speaker 1: good as Unforgiven? I'm like, right, maybe maybe if I
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  Speaker 1: tried real hard, Like could you write ten television shows
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  Speaker 1: single handedly? No? No way, not possible.
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  Speaker 2: He directed Unforgiven?
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying, like people that I look up
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  Speaker 1: to that I'm impressed by, it's like his is a
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  Speaker 1: different level, right, His is like, it's like impossible, who
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  Speaker 1: did direct Unforgiven?
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  Speaker 2: Clint Swat That's the fucking greatest Western movie of all time?
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: It is the best. Yeah, it's like, you know what
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  Speaker 2: it was like? To me, it was like he was
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  Speaker 2: making up for all the silly westerns and was like,
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  Speaker 2: let me show you what it was probably really like. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what was really like when a man was about to
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  Speaker 2: get shot? What was really like when a dude was
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  Speaker 2: a stone cold killer? What was it really like? The
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  Speaker 2: Hardships of living back then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's interesting too because he starts out kind
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  Speaker 1: of a loser. Yeah, those first you know, like the
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  Speaker 1: first three quarters of the movie, he's this sort of
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  Speaker 1: timid guy who's lost his power, you know, and then
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  Speaker 1: he takes that one sip of whiskey and it's all
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  Speaker 1: over for everybody else. It's a crazy p of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's such a good movie. It's such a good fucking movie. Man.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, Taylor is a he's a real freak and
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  Speaker 2: there's not a lot of humans like him. And it's
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  Speaker 2: his background story so interesting, you know, like he was
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  Speaker 2: just kind of scrambling around till he was almost like forty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a real life Rocky yeah, or something
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  Speaker 1: like Rags to riches, the whole, the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: I know, man, it's just I just don't I guess
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  Speaker 2: that's why he has so much ambition, because he knows
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  Speaker 2: what it's like to be poor, right, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: knows it it's like to like barely make it right.
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  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden he's got a kid
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  Speaker 2: on the way and he's like, oh shit, I got
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  Speaker 2: to buckle down and really get moving. And he kept
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  Speaker 2: his foot on the gas.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, do you guys keep in touch? His buddy said, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I love him.
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  Speaker 2: He's an awesome dude. I just worry about him, like
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  Speaker 2: you do so much. Don't have a heart attack, man,
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  Speaker 2: don't go crazy.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's weird is he does. He does have
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  Speaker 1: a good time too. It's not like he doesn't hang
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  Speaker 1: out with his family or friends or you know. That's
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  Speaker 1: the craziest thing to me, is like the guy has
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  Speaker 1: a really fun life and is able to do all that.
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  Speaker 1: I guess like the moral of the story is, don't
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  Speaker 1: play golf. That'll take up no ship. Man.
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  Speaker 2: Tell that to Jamie.
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  Speaker 3: If I can get out once a week, it's great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an addict. Jamie is an addict. Well, he's
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  Speaker 2: got a simulator back there. He's always wacking golf balls.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All my friends are trying to get me to play him. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not doing it. Man, that's a six hour commitment.
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  Speaker 1: Man, the amount of time it takes to get good
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  Speaker 1: enough that it's not the worst thing. Ever, it's too much.
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  Speaker 2: Time, right, And my problem is I'm an addict. Like
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: when I start doing things, I just start like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I need to play in the PGA. I started going crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I'll start getting lessons and fuck that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do it. We need your show man.
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  Speaker 2: It's well, I'm never doing it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: try it, try it out. No. I know all my
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  Speaker 2: friends who play fucking love it. Ron White and Tony
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  Speaker 2: Hinchclip they go out every day. It's like it's too much, man,
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  Speaker 2: I can't do it. Yeah, yeah, it's you can't play
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  Speaker 2: golf and do what Taylor is doing. That's for damn sure,
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  Speaker 2: no way. Well, how the fuck is Trump doing it?
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  Speaker 2: Like he's in the middle of everything, he's always playing golf.
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  Speaker 1: But that's sort of the criticism, right, like he's playing
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  Speaker 1: too much golf and not running the country enough.
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  Speaker 2: But don't they say that about every president? Yeah, Like
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  Speaker 2: I think it's almost like a prerequisite to be president
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  Speaker 2: you have to play.
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  Speaker 1: Golf, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Don't they all do it?
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like one of those weird business men things,
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  Speaker 2: like they make deals out there, they have a cup
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  Speaker 2: of cocktails, they talk a little shit, right.
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  Speaker 1: Do a bump not make some deals? I just don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know something about being like a manicured lawn.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I don't know to be
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  Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure I'd love it, I'm sure, which is why
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  Speaker 2: I don't do it. But I play pool, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: addicted to pool, like I play pool all the time.
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  Speaker 2: That's it's a real problem. When I lived in New York,
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  Speaker 2: I was playing like eight hours a day. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: was playing in tournaments, I was traveling around. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't. I can't get another thing like that in
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  Speaker 2: my life.
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  Speaker 1: Are you done playing pool?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: I playing all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but you could play bull for like a
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  Speaker 2: couple hours and stop.
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  Speaker 1: I'll try that.
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  Speaker 2: Pool's fun, yeah, yeah, like real pool, like tournament pool,
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  Speaker 2: like competitive, like real tournament pool. It's legit, but it's
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  Speaker 2: like it's another thing that's it'll get in your blood
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  Speaker 2: and then you'll be thinking about it all the time
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  Speaker 2: and watching videos and taking lessons and.
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready for something though, Yeah, yeah, not golf pool
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  Speaker 1: sounds like, well, you have.
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  Speaker 2: You have music, and you have acting. Like you said,
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  Speaker 2: that's got to be kind of hard to manage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's proving pretty difficult. And having eighteen month oldso.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a mix yeah, so no sleep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting there. I you know, the music thing
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  Speaker 1: is sort of it's kind of nice because there's not
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on it, you know. For me,
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  Speaker 1: I have a day job, you know, I have this
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  Speaker 1: thing that supports my family, and the music I can
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  Speaker 1: do to like my passion level, you know, and I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't do it to the point where I'm like away
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  Speaker 1: from my family too much, you know, so I can.
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  Speaker 1: I like making the music touring is kind of hard,
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  Speaker 1: and it's and it's also new for me. So learning
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  Speaker 1: how to do that at forty was a kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I feel like in my twenties that would
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  Speaker 1: have been the most fun ever sleeping on a bus
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  Speaker 1: with twelve dudes and just going from city to city
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  Speaker 1: and you know, drinking backstage and playing country music. That
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  Speaker 1: would have been a blast. But I'm you know, too
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  Speaker 1: old for to do that the right way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you tour, do you go out or do
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  Speaker 2: you do like a weekend and then come back.
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  Speaker 1: When you're on a full blown tour. That the way
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  Speaker 1: that it financially works the best is to just stay
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  Speaker 1: kind of going. So you're doing like three shows like Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: because you've got the bus rented, you've got all the
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  Speaker 1: equipment rented, you've got the guys you know, on salary,
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  Speaker 1: so you just have to keep going. It's actually really
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  Speaker 1: hard to for it to pencil out when you're just
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  Speaker 1: doing a show here and there.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's stand up comedy is so much easier
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  Speaker 2: in that regard. I've only done one stand up comedy
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  Speaker 2: tour tour. I did it with Charlie Murphy and John Hefron.
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  Speaker 2: We did this bud Light Maxim tour back in two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and seven, and we did like twenty two dates
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  Speaker 2: in a month, and so it was like I would
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  Speaker 2: wake up and I wouldn't know where I was. I'd
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  Speaker 2: look at the ceiling, I'm where the fuck am I?
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I would have to think, uh, Columbus, you know, I'd
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  Speaker 2: have to like go through my head and figure out
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  Speaker 2: where I am when I woke up.
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  Speaker 1: Was there ever, like a period of stage fright when
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  Speaker 1: you started doing stand up? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The first day. I was more afraid
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  Speaker 2: the first time I got on stage than it was
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  Speaker 2: the first time I fought. It was nuts. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, why am I so nervous. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking about chicken and out. I was thinking
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  Speaker 2: about not doing it.
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  Speaker 1: I do that every time I play music. Shit, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: can I just call it all?
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  Speaker 2: Do you still get stage fright right now?
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  Speaker 1: Really bad? Well that's the thing, man, I'd always played music,
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  Speaker 1: and when I was playing in bands and playing out,
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  Speaker 1: I was the drummer. Oh so, But I always wrote
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  Speaker 1: songs and stuff, but I never thought I had never
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  Speaker 1: had ambition around like I want to be the guy
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  Speaker 1: in front of the microphone. That was never you know
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  Speaker 1: the plan and then you know, to be able to
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  Speaker 1: make an album, which I wanted to do, you have
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  Speaker 1: to go stand in front of the microphone. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the hard part for me. I love being in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: I love writing the songs. I love making the music,
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  Speaker 1: recording the music. But there's something about knowing that all
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  Speaker 1: these people have shown up and bought a ticket, and
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: you're like, all of a sudden, this thing starts happening
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  Speaker 1: and me, we're like, they bought a ticket, imposter syndrome.
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  Speaker 1: You're not good enough for them to have spent their money.
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: And you know, it's just the whole thing, and it's
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  Speaker 1: like dude, shut up. I know it's gonna be okay,
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  Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. Every time I still get a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of the You.
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  Speaker 2: Know, I think everybody who's saying gets imposter syndrome. Yeah, yeah, ok,
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  Speaker 2: everybody that I've talked to that's saying it's like the
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  Speaker 2: really kooky ones don't. Like I don't think Kanye has
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  Speaker 2: ever gotten imposter syndrome.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: It's like I'm gonna be also, he's a genius, but
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  Speaker 2: it's like the ones who were saying like it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: make any sense, Like none of it makes any sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well I get it in droves and way more
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  Speaker 1: for the music than the acting. But it's again, I've
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  Speaker 1: been acting in film and TV for over twenty years now.
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  Speaker 2: When did you first get on stage to sing? How
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  Speaker 2: old were you?
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  Speaker 1: The very first show I played? I was thirty nine?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god? Yeah, yeah, like I had done karaoke before, right,
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: But you know, I it kind of came about in
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  Speaker 1: the weirdest way. I literally was on set one day
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  Speaker 1: and get a call out of the blue from this manager,
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  Speaker 1: this music manager, Matt Graham. He's a great manager and
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  Speaker 1: a really good friend of mine. But he called and said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I know you don't know who I am, but I
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  Speaker 1: know that you're a musician, and you know, I love Yellowstone,
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  Speaker 1: I love you in that show. Is that something that
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  Speaker 1: you would want to take seriously? And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: like what does that mean? He's like, I bet I
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  Speaker 1: could get you a record deal, and I was like, no, man,
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  Speaker 1: that's now, and I don't want to do that. And
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: we talked for two years, and over the course of
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: the two years, I really started to trust him. He
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: sort of like explained to me what, you know, what
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: would be required. And long story short, my father passed
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: away somewhere in there, and sort of one of the
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: last things he sort of conveyed to me and was like,
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: if there's anything you want to do while you're here,
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  Speaker 1: to do it, you know. And that's something about that moment.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just gonna fucking do it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what's the worst thing that can happen.
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  Speaker 1: I'm another actor who made a goofy album, right, so
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  Speaker 1: what I got to do it, you know? So I did,
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  Speaker 1: and then immediately it's like, well, now you have to
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  Speaker 1: go tour it otherwise, you know, They're not going to
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  Speaker 1: put up the money for you to make these things
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  Speaker 1: if you don't go sell it, you know. So the
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  Speaker 1: tour is sort of to get the music out there
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  Speaker 1: and get people buying it. And so yeah, first show
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  Speaker 1: it was in Billings, Montana for I think it was
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  Speaker 1: twelve hundred people. WHOA this place called I think it
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  Speaker 1: was pub Station.
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  Speaker 2: What was that like?
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  Speaker 1: First time? Dude, Dude, I blacked out, like not drinking,
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: like I just blacked out on nerves, dude, like it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it started. My knees were shaking, my hands
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: were shaking. This is before I knew about like beta
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: blockers or anything like that. And the show was over
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: and I was like, how was was that? Okay? Well
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: how'd that go? And everyone was good? You know, it's good.
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  Speaker 1: It was fine. The fourth show I ever played with stagecoach.
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  Speaker 2: WHOA, Yeah, that's nuts.
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  Speaker 1: It was crazy. I mean it was earlier in the day.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like I had, you know, one hundred thousand
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  Speaker 1: people out there, but still that's a big stage.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big stage.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, so but you know, little by little it
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  Speaker 1: got somewhat better. I don't black out anymore. I kind
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  Speaker 1: of I know where I'm at and I'm there, but
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  Speaker 1: it's still something I deal with.
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  Speaker 2: Oliver Anthony the first show he ever played live in
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  Speaker 2: front of people was like twenty thousand people.
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  Speaker 1: It's so nuts. Same, wasn't it like that?
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: It was huge? Right? It was like it was something.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: It was a gigantic crowd. I don't think I went
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: exaggerating because he got really famous before he ever went
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  Speaker 2: on tour. That one song Richmond North of Richmond, that
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: that song like instantly made him famous.
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  Speaker 1: He wrote a rocket dude that rarely happens. There's you
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  Speaker 1: know a few people know that feeling. I can't imagine.
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  Speaker 2: He was freaking out. I became friends with him, like
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: right when it was happening because he was like a
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  Speaker 2: little lost, and he said, a bunch of people, I go,
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  Speaker 2: let's talk.
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  Speaker 1: So we got on the phone.
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  Speaker 2: Like it was before he had you know, he'd gotten
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  Speaker 2: a ton of record deals and all these different people
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  Speaker 2: were saying, you know, hey, sign with me, we'll give
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  Speaker 2: you an X amount of money in advance. I go,
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  Speaker 2: don't sign nothing. And he was like her, He's telling
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  Speaker 2: me that I got to act strike while the Iron's
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  Speaker 2: got I go no, no, no, no no. I go, dude, you
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  Speaker 2: got talent, Like, you got real talent. You're always gonna
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  Speaker 2: have talent. It's just a matter of putting in the
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  Speaker 2: work and you're gonna be huge. You don't need these people.
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  Speaker 2: These people are all vampires. They're all just trying to
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: suck on your neck. Don't let them. Don't let them.
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  Speaker 2: Thank god, he listened because he was getting offers like
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: seven million dollars and shit, and he he was a
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: fucking heavy equipment salesman, you know, And so then all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, he's like, what the fuck is going on?
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  Speaker 2: One song with him and a guitar, just standing in
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  Speaker 2: a field, and that's.
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  Speaker 1: All it took. That's amazing. I mean, that's how I
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: should be, right, I have to complete story. Story is
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: not cool at all. I'm like, I'm a successful actor
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  Speaker 1: and I got a record deal for no reason.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you had a record deal because you wanted
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: to do it, because you're interested in that too. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you can do anything you want to do. Like, just
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  Speaker 2: because you're a successful actor doesn't mean you can't do
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  Speaker 2: it right.
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  Speaker 1: But I think you know, a lot of the thing
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: with music is the story of the person. So I
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: knew going in like, I don't have the best story.
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  Speaker 1: I I I do come from nothing, and I did
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: work my ass off to become an actor and all that.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: But you know, my way into the music was a
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: little wonky.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: But well, sometimes that's good because it makes you work
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: harder to prove to people that you're legit.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you have this thing over.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: Your head where they're like, fuck that pretty boy, motherfucker
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: TV star, motherfuck that dude, Fuck Casey Dutton.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: There I goes, So the music's gonna have to be
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: good enough. Yeah, that's just sort of the thing. That's
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: all it is.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: It's just just will force you to work harder. But
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: it's just everybody's story is different. That's what makes it fun.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: If everybody had the same story, you know.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're kind of the king of following
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: your passion, right, you've done that.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been super lucky.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: You know. I'm just lucky that there's a job for
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: all these things.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: I like, you know, there wasn't well this one, yeah,
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: this one, there was other people doing it already, but
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: it wasn't a job for the longest time. It's kind
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: of a fun story that me and my wife always
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: joke around about because like one time she was taking
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: the kid, we were all supposed to go to Disneyland,
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: but I had to do this podcast. She was like,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: you don't have to do it, I go, but I do.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: I do it every week. But it wasn't really making
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: any money back then. But it's like, I promise people
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: would be out, like I got to do it now
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: She's like, thank god, it's just I mean, I got lucky.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: I came in right at the right time. There was
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: only a few people doing it back then, and I
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: just did it for fun. I just thought that would
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: be fun to do, yeah, and then all of a
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: sudden it became a job.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And with the UFC stuff.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, it was that too. That was fun too.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Did you think that would be what it became?
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: When I first started doing it was in nineteen ninety seven,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: and it was in a high school auditorium in Dothan, Alabama,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: And we had to take a propeller plane to get there,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: and uh, it was banned from cable, so you can
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: only watch it on direct TV. This is UFC twelve.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: And wow, there was no one in the audience and
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: no one was watching it, and I was already on
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: a TV show. It was on news radio, and the
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: people on news radio, the actors and the producers that
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: were like, what are you doing? You're flying to go
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: do cage fighting. It was almost like I was doing porn.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: You know, it's where fucking snuff films or something. It's like,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: did You're going to ruin your life doing this?
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you guys are talking about.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: This is what I've.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Always wanted to see. I've always wanted to see all
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: the best martial artists have different styles get together. Nobody
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: ever did it. These guys are doing it. I'm gonna go.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like this is I remember renting the like first
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: few from the Blockbuster. Yeah yeah, it was like blood
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Sport back.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh change my life. I got UFC two
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: was the first one. The first one wasn't available. You
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: had to get two was the only one, and it
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: was on VHS tape. And I had a buddy of
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: mine who told me about it. He's like, dude, you
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: got to see this thing.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: He goes, they got these guys they're fighting in a
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: cage and this one dude's just choking everybody and he's
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: wearing a gee. I was like, really, what is it?
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: And then I watched it. I was like, holy shit, Yeah,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I was hooked, like right away. I was like, they
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: fucking did it. They actually did it, because like when
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: I was a kid, everybody thought that what they were.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: If you did karate, you thought karate was the best.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: If you thought judo, you thought judo was the best.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: And nobody really knew what was the most effective martial
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: art because nobody had ever put together anything like the UFC. Right,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: So once it happened, I mean, it was just such
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: a huge part of my life. I was like, I'm
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: not going to not do this just because it's bad
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: for my acting career. I'm like, if my acting career
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: goes away, I don't you know whatever. I'm only doing
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: this for money anyway, so I'll just figure it out.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: You were the only person in LA with that mentality,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: by the way, I really served you.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Well, Well, I wasn't supposed to be in LA, you know.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I mean I only came to LA for money, and
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I would have moved back. I was living in New
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: York and I did a show called Hardball and that
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: got canceled, and the only reason why I stayed is
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: because I got a lease on an apartment. I was
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: fully ready to get out of there. I was like,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I gotta get the fuck out of this place. I
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: hated it. I hated being around actors. I hated being
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: around producers and casting agents.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, these people are so fake.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I was used to being around fighters and comedians and
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: pool players, like the rawest, funniest, like outcasts of society,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Like those are my people. I was used to like
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: cracking jokes with friends and everybody was like busting on
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: each other, and everybody had a great sense of humor,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: just silly weirdos. And then all of a sudden, I'm
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: around these people that like all had these like predetermined
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: things that they thought they should say, so they would
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: say them, you know, and everybody had like it was
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: all group think. It was like, oh, this is fucking horrible.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I always say that felt like when I lived
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: in LA. I lived in LA for sixteen years, and
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to complain about it. Obviously
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: good to me, like it, you know, helped my life
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: quite a bit, But it always felt like everybody was
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: trying to become the same person. Yeah, but they don't
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: know who that person is. I'm like, can we can
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you just tell me who the person is? So I can,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, There's like a memo that
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: went out that I didn't get, so.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Nobody got that memo. They were all playing it by ear,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: you know, and they were just it was all dependent
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: upon what the producers and the casting agents wanted you
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: to be. So everybody would sort of adapt. Like whenever
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: you got a place where everybody has the same politics,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that's not a good sign mm hm, like that something's
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: gone wrong and everybody has these progressive left wing politics
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: regardless of whether or not any of their positions make sense,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: they all just sort of spit it out.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's just that there is sort of
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: a desperation that gets bred from I mean, these people
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: left their families, they moved away, they left everything they've
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: ever known and gave up a lot of comfort and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: security and love to follow this dream, and so that
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that dream becomes more and more and more important. You
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: need it more and more because now you have nothing else,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: You've given everything else up. And so I think at
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: that point you can you can sort of mold people into.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Whatever, oh for sure, it ruins comics because when comics
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: start doing well, one of the first as soon as
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: they start getting on television, the first thing they start
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: doing is tempering their material. They tone it down a
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: little bit, take the edge off, don't say anything. They
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: can get you in trouble, and you know, generally those
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: are the funniest things, the funniest things that things that
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: could go terribly wrong, you know, and get you in trouble.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: So they do that and then just you know, they
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: become like an I always call it the velvet prison,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: because you get locked into that velvet prison. You get
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: get on TV, you get get money, but also you
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: become just one of everybody else.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's our not to do. I mean, I'm that's
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: where I'm at. You know, I still have a boss. Yeah,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: you know, my my checks are written by a very
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: specific company that you know, I have to be careful sometimes,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you know, even doing this today, I'm like, just a
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: little bit. I don't want to do that to you
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and sit here and like police myself the whole time.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: But I got to like just don't say this.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I'm firmly aware of it. People come
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: in here and I could see it in their face, like,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: please don't bring up anything. No trans doc.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: For sure from that today. Yeah, people, I.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Mean it's it's you know, it's a tricky situation. And
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: the thing about la too is everybody has to get
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: picked for stuff. Yeah, it's not like even like music,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: like especially look at Oliver Anthony. No music deal, no nothing,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: just put something on YouTube, blows up. That's a real
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: in this day and age, that's a real thing. But
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: in acting it's still you have to get chosen, you
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: have to get cast for something, and just that weird
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: thing alone were you're going into this thing and these
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: people have to approve you. And most of the people
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: that get involved in acting in the first place, a
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: large percentage of them they did it because they didn't
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: get enough attention when they were younger. And this is
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: like they just want to make up for.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Well, why I became a comedian.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you know, it's all the same kind
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: of mindset, Like there's something about you that wants to
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: be famous right once, you know, unless you like someone
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: who's just in love with the craft of acting, you know.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Right, which how could you be when you know I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: made the decision that I wanted to be an actor
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: when I was like five years old. I didn't know
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: what the craft of acting was. My thing though, honestly was.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I loved movies so much. I think I just because
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I liked them more than my life. You know, I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: wanted to live in the movie. I didn't know what
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: making them would actually be like. I didn't know what
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that career looked like. I didn't know what acting was.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: But I would go to the movie theater and want
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to be in it, and I'd also see the guy
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and I don't know whatever the skill set was. I
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: was like, whatever they're doing, I think I can do that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I think I have whatever that is. And you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: thank god, I was at least somewhat right, or I'd
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: be waiting tables in LA right now.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Well, it's an interesting thing, right because it's a craft
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: that seems like you're just doing normal life, right, Like
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: you're you're pretending, but you're you're acting and behaving in
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: a way that people do act and behave. Like that's
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the key to it. It has to be believable. Yeah,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: So most people watch it go I can do that,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: like it's this is normal life. They're just acting like
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: they're in normal life.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Right, But well, you don't realize is that there's like
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a dude with a beard with a microphone in your
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: face and two hundred people standing around waiting for you
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: to be done so they can do their job and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: sipping coffee, Yeah, shaking their head.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: If you fuck up a line like oh Jesus, yeah, guy,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: fucking unprofessional.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird gig, man, it's a weird gig
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: and it's not what most people think it is. And
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you could tell that by like the masters, the real masters.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: You know, when you see like Daniel day Lewis do it,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, whatever he's doing, I'm not doing that.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's a fucking totally different thing, right, This
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: guy's in some weird place where it becomes Gary Oldman
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: becomes a different person every movie, and you believe it. Yeah,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: that's the real craft of it, right, where like I
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: fucking know that's Gary Oldman, right, but he's different and
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: everyone now he's Dracula, and I believe it.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: He's amazing, both of those guys amazing.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: You ever watch that show Slow Horses? It fucking great show, right,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: It's really good. It's a great show. I can't wait
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: for the new season.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I hooked.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Somebody told me about it, and I was a little
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: skeptical at first. It's like, all right, and.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: You never see like a lead your you're number one,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: but a total piece.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Of shit, ye except Tony Soprano.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, Yeah, that was.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: A weird show, right, Like the guy was a murderer
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: and a thief and you love him.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: He loved him. He was so good.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's another guy, Candelfehini. Man, you fucking believed him.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And there wasn't acting like that in television yet. No,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: that was like the first of its kind. Yeah, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: even within that show, he was doing something no one
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: else was doing right, And that's hard to that's hard
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: to keep up for you know, you can if you
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: do it for a film, you're doing it for a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: couple of months, you know, at that at that level
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of intensity, But to do that for seven years, for
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: months and months at a time is impossible.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Well, there was a danger in his eyes, like a
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: real danger, like there's something about that dude that that
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: dude's got or while he was alive, he had demons
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: but in his brain, like you could tell right, Like
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: there was moments that these menacing moments where he was
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: like threatening someone or doing something. You're like, that's coming
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: from a real place, right, that guy. You know this
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: some guys who play tough guys in movies, Like, I'm
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: not buying it, But with that guy, like, oh okay,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: there's this guy could kill somebody.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: You don't want to piss him off in real life.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Well, he's also out of fucking control.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: You ever see the list of the things that he
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: consumed before he died.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I have seen that.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: It's bananas. Yeah, he was just off the rails, crazy,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: out of his fucking mind.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: But I've seen the Hunter s Thompson one.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Oh dude, we narrated it, we read it, and then
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: this guy what was the dude? What's the guy's name?
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: That turned it into a song. There's a there's a
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: dance song, like electric.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Music, dance song. I haven't heard that.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: With me and my friend Greg Fitzsimmons were reading off
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Hunter s. Thompson's like his daily routine with his beardy man. Yeah,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: shout out to beardy man. It's pretty dope.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Play it.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Fuck it. Can we we get in trouble?
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Can isn't the right word to ask.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: We can what would happen.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: We lose revenue changes and stuff like that.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: For sure, don't play it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I'll listen to it after. Sorry.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'll send it to you. But it's, uh,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: it's a banana's broutine. And you know, at the end
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: of his life, I'm a giant Hunter S Thompson fan,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: as you can tell and walk it through all the artwork.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: But at the end of his life, like he couldn't
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: even talk, like he did an appearance once on Conan
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: O'Brien and it to me, it was like one of
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the saddest things, like he could barely understand what he
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: was saying. He's just mumbling. And when he was young,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: he was so fucking smooth and articulate and interesting and
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: fascinating and and it's just drugs, just drugs and booze
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: just cooked his brain.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I'll have to do a deep dive on him. I've
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: never read any of his stuff.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Really, just read just start off with fear and loathing.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Fear and loathing in Las Vegas was a he got
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: an assignment to cover. I think it was a motorcycle race.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: That was the job. So I think it was for
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: sports illustrator or something like that. He got a job
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: to just cover a race, and he goes down there
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: and just brings every kind of fucking drug known demand,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: drives through the desert in a convertible with his friend
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: and just writes this insane book. It's completely insane. It
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: has nothing to do with this motorcycle race. It's just
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: all about the chaos of being out of your fucking
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: mind in Vegas. And it's brilliant. It's so good.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Check it out. Do you like Vegas?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I mean I'm there a lot for fights, and when
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I go, we go to a restaurant, I go playpool,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I go to the fights. I don't do anything else.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: So it's like for me, it's like, yeah, there's great restaurants.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: You know, the fights are awesome. I love doing that.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: So it's like, but there's something about it where I Ever,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: every time I go there, I'm like, could I live here?
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Like I was actually talking to my friend Tony Inchcliff
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: about it this past weekend. We were just there for
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: the fights, and I was saying, like, what if A
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: because you know, kill Tony's this gigantic show. Now it's huge.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: He sells out arenas all over the country with it.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: It's on Netflix, and I was saying, like, what if
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: a Vegas casino offered you a fucking pile of money,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: would you do you think you could ever live here?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: And we're just sitting there. He's like, I don't know.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do it. I don't care I
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: could do it because I think it's like sleeping next
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: to a vampire. Like even if you know that the
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: vampires in the other room, and he's not going to
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: bite your neck, it's like he's right there. You know,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: it's sure. I don't think it's good for you.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Vegas to me is like you know when you you
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: have a big night out on a certain type of
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: booze and you get sick, and then then anytime you
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: drink that booze after that, that's Vegas. Right time I
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: land in Vegas, I'm like, oh, I just feel grass
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: because I remember the last time I was there, the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: first time.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think the people that live outside of Vegas,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: like people live in Henderson and places like that, they
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: love it because it's really nice out there. Like you
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: go out to the outskirts of Vegas, there's beautiful neighborhoods
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: and nice communities and like great stores and restaurants and stuff.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: It's nice, but you're still next to the Death Star. Right,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: It's like this big neon fucking vacuum just sucking people's
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: money out of them.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I've never been off the strip. Maybe I should try
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that out.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's a there's there's great restaurants and great neighborhoods.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's fine outside, but the reason why they're
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: there is because of the Death Star. Like that's what
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: brings everybody there. You know, everybody's there to just lose
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: all their money.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, make really bad decisions.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I all of my friends would gamble when
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I would go there with them. I go look at
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: this place, See how big it is. How do you
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: think they got that money? Suckers like you? This isn't
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: This isn't like a fair exchange, Like they're giving you
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: goods and you're giving them money. No, this is like
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: they're giving you this like crazy proposition where you think
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: you're gonna play blackjack and win a billion dollars. Yeah,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: and if you win too much money, they kick you out.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Did you ever gamble?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Was ever? No? No? No, no, no, not really. I
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: mean I've bet some money on fight, so I've played
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: blackjack a few times, but I've never lost any real money.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: But my friend Dana White, he's a fucking degenerate, like
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: a crazy degenerate.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: That's what. I went to visit him recently.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: So he was at Red Rocks Casino and a couple
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: of my other buddies were there. So we showed up
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: and went into the blackjack room and he was there
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: and when I got there, he was down six hundred
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars when I got there, and it was a
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: normal night for him, and he wasn't even nervous. He
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: was like, hey, what's up. He's me, check my hand,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: give me a hug. All these other people are there,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: and I got fucking massive anxiety. Yeah, I was like,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: this is crazy. How are you? And then so him
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and Jamie was there too, and him and h Taylor Luan,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: the football player. He coaches Taylor how to play black track,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: and so they got together. These tells him when to
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: hit and when not to hit, and they did it
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: right next to us. Within five minutes, Taylor was down
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars I was like,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: what are you doing?
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Man? Yeah, nervous things.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Got up and then they quit, so he quit ahead.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I think he won like one hundred grand and then
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: you quit and.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Then they move on to the back at because you can
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: bet more per hand.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: That's what they're doing now.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the five hundred k per hand or
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: something like that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Which one's backer at?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: How do you play that?
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: I've tried to watch it. I don't really quite understand it.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Apparently not hard, but you're betting on the dealer or
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: the player.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Is that the big long table with all the.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I don't understand it. It's not like it's not as
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: long as uh like roulette.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: So Dane is onto that now or Taylor?
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: I think that room. They've fished them all the back at.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: So you can gamble more, more faster.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: His mainline the gamble now.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: He told a story on I think it was was
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: it flagrant? It was flagrant where we talked about losing
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: like six million dollars in one night. Yeah what Yeah,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: that's my theory about slap Fight. Why they're doing slap Fight.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I think it's Dana's gambling money, that's what I think.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I think it's like it needs some source of revenue
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: outside of the UFC citizen doesn't lose his UFC money.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: That's tough to watch, man, I don't watch it. Yeah,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I've watched a couple of clips. Sorry, Dana, I know,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: but it's tough to watch. I don't just people getting
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: brain damage over and over again.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: It's not my thing. I don't get it. It's and
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: it's all like the saddest people getting whacked in the head.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: It's not a good thing.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Not good.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they call it fights too, like okay, okay, I mean,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I guess you should come up with another name. It's
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: kind of insulting to an actual fight. But that's my theory,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: is that that's his gambling money, because that fucking dude gambles.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Because I asked him once like, oh, you like living here?
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: He goes, I love the action. Okay. He's a good
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: friend of mine, but he's a different person than me.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not. That's not me. Yeah, if I lived in Vegas,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I'd live way outside of Vegas. And even then, I
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: don't think I could do it. Because we've talked about
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: you know, we have a comedy club in town, the
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Comedy Mothership, and we talked about doing another Mothership somewhere,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: and the two most likely places that we would be
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: able to do it are New York in Vegas. So
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: we talked about doing one in Vegas, but I was like, man,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: the only way it would work is I'd have to
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: be there a lot, Like we'd have to be there
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: a lot, and we'd have to you know, we'd have
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: to make sure that it's run right. Let's like run
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: with the same vibe that we run it here, where
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: everybody's cools, no assholes, everybody's real friendly and real supportive
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: of new comedians. And then I'd have to spend a
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: lot of time there. I'm like, I don't want to
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: do that, right, this.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Is wouldn't New York be like returning to where you
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: cut your teeth or something? Is that where you started?
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I started in Boston, but I I
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: did spend a lot of time in New York. New
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: York would be a better option, really, because there's a
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: lot more talent there, and in order to have a
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: really good comedy club, you can't you can't just start
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: it out, like you can't just go to Columbus, Ohio
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: or Cincinnati. I guess Columbus has like a little bit
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: of a scene, but you'd have to have a real
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: scene with like real headliners and a top level talent.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: And the way we were able to pull it off
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: in Austin is everybody moved here during the pandemic, Like
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: me and Tony moved Ron White moved here first, and
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: then me and Tony moved here, and then once we
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: started doing shows, we were talking to all our friends
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: in LA, and LA was shut down during the pandemic,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: and so everybody just kind of moved out here, at
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: least temporarily because comedians are junkies, like they want to
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: go on stage and it was taken away from them
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: for a year and a half in LA. Couldn't perform
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: in LA for a year and a half made no
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: fucking sense. And out here we were just doing shows
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: like in November of twenty twenty, like it was indoor
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: shows and super spreader shows.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: And so because of their I forgot about that word.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Tom Segura moved here, Christina Bozitski moved here, Tim Dillon
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: moved here, and it's just like Shane Gillis moved here.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: It was like we had so many like national headliners
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: we could pull off a club, but you have to
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: have that kind of thing where it's not just the weekends,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: but you have to have like Tuesday shows, Wednesday shows.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: It has to be like a lot of people around
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: that you could have a show with the infrastructure.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I randomly lived in Austin during COVID. Oh really.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: My wife and I we got married in November twenty nineteen.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: She's from Brazil and I'm from Ohio, so we had
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: no there was nowhere we were going to live or
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: it was going to feel like home. But we you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I'd lived in LA for sixteen years. I was ready
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: to get out. We wanted to start a family somewhere else,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and we didn't know where to go. So we came
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: here and December of twenty nineteen and we had the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: best two months ever. And then everything shut down and
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: we're stuck in an apartment, don't know anybody, and you know,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I didn't really get a fair shake. We loved it
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: while it was going, and then yeah, I did about
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: two months of lockdown. Couldn't do it anymore. And then
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: we bought an airstream and just started traveling around. And
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: then I had to be in Montana for work for
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Yellowstone and we parked the airstream up there and never left.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, lived Montana is fucking awesome. It's so great.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: It's so beautiful. Last time I was there was in
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: the summer. Well, actually, last time I was there, I
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: was hunting with Bourdain, who went pheasant hunting there. That
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: was pretty cool. Oh yeah, it was one of the
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: last times I was home. But part oh, I forgot.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: I forgot where we were, and I'm pretty sure I
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: flew into Bozeman, but I think we're outside of Billings.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, I forget.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: But the in the summer there is insane.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, perfection.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: It's so beautiful, perfect everything.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: It's green.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: You see the mountains. We heard wolves allomen one one night,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: and you see elk herds just chilling on the side
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: of a hill. Like God, this place is magical.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't get dark till like eleven at night. Right. Yeah,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: it's very confusing to know, like when to eat dinner
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: because you're just like it's light for so long. But
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: then in the wintertime, the you know, the exchanges, it
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: gets dark at four thirty pm. Right, But yeah, we
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: love it, man, it's the best thing that has ever
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: happened for me of just sort of like all the
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: la stuff we were talking about.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It's the opposite of that, the opposite.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: There's I have no fomo about anything anymore, you know.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Oh that's great. I I can just think and sleep
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: and read and watch films and it's the best.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well your show made a lot of fucking people
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: move out there though.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, and they're not happy about it. The
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: valley that I live in, we had some people come
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: visit us. Our friends from California drove out and we
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: went on a hike and we were in their car
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and they had you know, Cali plates, and we got
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: off the hike and someone had and go back in
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the dust on their car. Like people are super weird
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: about So I don't tell anyone like exactly where I'm
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: at because they would get really mad at me. Dude.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: That happened in twenty twelve. I was hunting in Montana.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: We went to the Missouri Breaks and we we were
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: going to this restaurant and one of the guys in
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: the restaurant had he had his car parked outside and
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: it was like a rental car and someone had wrote
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: go back home. You know, like Montana's from Montana's or
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: something like that. They wrote it in the dirt.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Right, which is dumb because if they have the plates,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: they clearly aren't living there, you know, right, yeah they're
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: going back.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just retards. You're gonna get retards in
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: every state. Like if you have one hundred people, one
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: of them's a fucking idiot, sure, right, And if you
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: got a town of you know, X amount of one
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand people, you're gonna have a good amount of
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: fucking dumbouses, for sure. Those are the ones.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Like this place, we own it. This is dirt. Meanwhile,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: someone moved there at some point exactly, you know, yeah,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: somewhere along the line, someone was there and all you
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: did was stay exact. You didn't do anything that cool exactly.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, exactly exactly.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: And that one guy. I can't go to bars there
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: anymore because whatever that one.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Idiot is is at the bar, of course, and he
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: can't wait to start a fight with me, just like
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: can't wait to do it because like it's a win
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: win for him, you know, he gets to sue me
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: or something.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, but it's.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: A lose lose for me, so well, it's just like
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: his life is empty and it's like all of a
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: sudden there's purpose.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: And it's like you ruined Monterno.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Fuck off, right yeah. Or my favorite is when they
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: call people colonizers. That's my favorite. Like, bro, if you
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: don't live in Ethiopia, someone in your ancestor was a colonizer.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Oh period, Yeah, we all had to come from somewhere. Also,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: is it like the most American thing ever is that
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I can choose where I want to live. Yeah, that
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: should be celebrated.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: It should be Yeah, the idea that we were here first.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Those are the same idiots that hate when a band
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: becomes successful because like, oh I knew him when they
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: were underground, Now they sold out.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: A moron mentality. He's gonna have that no matter where
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: you go. But Montana's are like fiercely proud of being
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: from Montana.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll always tell you what generation they are, right,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: generation Montana.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: It's so silly.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not Montana, but my son will be,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, he can say that he is right
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: generation right. It's like an anchor baby.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he can go fly fishing, and no one's
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: gonna give him a hard time.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: That's right. I was born here. Okay, Yeah, you're good.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: You got a hall pass.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: But like people that live in like that Yellowstone place,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: you know that Yellowstone Club? Yeah, that place, like those
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: are like fake Montanas to Montana's. I have a buddy
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: who lives up there, and he was saying, I don't
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: know to fuck anybody would live up there because it's awesome.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: That's wrong with you, It's still Montana, like.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Let let it go, right. They just had some problem
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: with sewage being dumped into the river or something like that.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Ye cute club. Oh god, yeah that The locals were
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: very angry. And I don't know if that's locals like
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: making some stuff up to sort of cause a problem,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: but they were saying that they were finding sewage from
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: the Yellowstone Club in the local river there. Whoa, yeah,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I have to look that up.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Oh whoa, yeah, that's not good. That's the problem with
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: rich people. Yeah, rich people like fuck everybody else. I
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: haven't been to that place, but I heard it's awesome.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: And the views I've seen photographs of it, God, the
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: fucking views they are insane. Yeah, I have multiple friends
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: that live in Montana, And the thing about it is,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: like everybody will tell you, like when you're surrounded by
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: those mountains and you look out at them every day,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: it like centers you and it humbles you.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: It's like the most spectacular natural art you're ever going
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: to see. It's around you all the time.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: And I drink my coffee every morning looking out the
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: window and it looks like a painting. And it never
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: gets old. You know, if we need to go to
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the grocery store, I'll do it because it's so fun
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: to drive there. You know, you get out, you put
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: some tunes on. It's the best thing ever versus like
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: living in La to go anywhere was the worst thing ever. Right. Yeah,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: everything's a pleasure up there, man, It's really it's something.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: But if you if you need any sort of like
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: fast pace or socialization, or if you're like trying to
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: meet a babe or something happen there's no people.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. There's a little of that in Austin.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: They're upset that the Californian's moved here. Yeah, they're upset.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of people blamed me and Elon sure,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: they've blamed us for moving here and ruined in Austin, Like, sorry,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: we made it more awesome, fucking pussies, shut your mouth.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: It's it's all the same thing.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: It's like people that want credit for being here first, like,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: fuck off. Now you have more restaurants, way more comedy.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: There's like seven comedy clubs on my street now, on
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: the street where my club is, there's seven comedy clubs.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Now, that's amazing.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: It's like one of the big hubs of live comedy
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: in the world.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Now did it have it at all? Before?
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: It had a couple places. There was a place called
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Capsity that actually went under before the pandemic, or actually
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: like right at the beginning of the pandemic. When I
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: got here, it was for sale, and so I was
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: looking at that place to buy it, but it didn't
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: work out. And then there was another there's another place
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: that's been around forever called the Velveda Room. It's a
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: real small room. I think it's heats like one hundred
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: or so. And then you know, I think there was
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: maybe a couple other bars that maybe had comedy, and
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: there was like a small scene of some comedians, but
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: nothing like what it is now, it's not not even comparable.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's like seventeen eighteen world class comics that
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: live here. Now, Wow, it's crazy.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: And talk about stage fright. I think that is. That
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: would be the hardest art for him. It's getting up.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: You have no help, there's nothing to hide behind. Right,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: there's no music. There's like, it's just silence and you
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: and a microphone.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: You can't just get into your tune and fucking just
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: play close your eyes.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Now. There was a there was a film actually one
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: time that I was attached to to play a stand
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: up comedian, and I I promised the director that if
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: we got our funding and got the green light to go,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: that I'd go do it, that I'd actually go out
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: and like work up fifteen minutes and just you know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: do it until I understood what it was like. And
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: that movie fell through, and I was very very happy
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: about that because I didn't want it to.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: It's hard, I bet man, it's it's confusing because the
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: people are just talking. You're like, why is that hard
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: to do? Everybody talks, you know, like everybody could tell
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: a story. Everybody could, and it seems easy to do
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: until you do it. And then you're like, oh, this
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: is But I was hooked right away because I sucked
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the first night that I bombed. But I was like,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I got a couple of laughs on some things, and
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, I think I can figure this out.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: But I was, like I said, I was more scared
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: than when I was fighting. I was more scared before
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: like a big fight. It was weird. I was like,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: why am I nerve? It didn't make any sense.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: My friend Whitney Comis explained to me. She said, people
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: have this fear of public speaking because in tribal societies
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: back in the day, the only time you spoke in
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: front of a large group of people was when you're
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: being judged because they were going to kill you.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Oh interesting, right, Yeah, don't that make sense? Yeah?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So like if you're front for other people that
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: are all like, uh, what do you know? So you
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: have to like, guys, I didn't steal the tomatoes.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I never thought about that. Yeah, weird, that's
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah, no place to hide, man, I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: don't know that that sounds scary, and especially if like
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: it starts going bad, like if you start to bomb,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: is there is there any way out of that? Or
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: is it people have recovered.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the people have started off bombing and then pulled
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: themselves out of it. I've done it a couple of times.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Most of the time, when I'm bombing, I'm bombing forever.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: But you're going down.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: But there's a good to that, all right. The good
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: is you have to re examine your material and you.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Every time in my career in the like the early
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: days when I bombed, I always got way better afterwards
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: because I was like, whatever the fuck that was, I
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: don't want to experience that again. And I really focused
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: and really really wrote like crazy and went over recordings
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: and buttoned down and trimmed things and changed things around.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: And you need losses. Losses are very important. They're important
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: in fighting, they're important, and they're all important. They're important
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: in life. Like one of my kids just had a
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: breakup recently, and I had a conversation with her. I go,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I know this sucks, but this is actually important, like
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: it has to happen. And I told her like about
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: like the first time a girl broke up with me
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: when I was seventeen, I was devastating, the worst. Oh,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe my life was over. I'm only seventeen,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I can I'm never gonna recover. I'm like, it's so
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: important because you realize, like as time passes, you understand
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: that this is just a moment in time, and there's
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: other people you're gonna meet, and it's just you have
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: to develop some resiliency, some emotional resiliency, and so you
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: have to experience that and you also have to realize it.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: You know, people they.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Don't know what they're doing either, Like boys don't know
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: what they're doing. Girls don't know what they're doing. They're
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: kind of figuring out as they go along. And people
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: break up and they make up, and these are these
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: lessons that you have to learn in life. And loss
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: is important because it makes you understand, like why this
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: person gets sick of me? Why am I annoying? Why?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: What you know? Am I selfish? Like? What is it?
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: What is wrong with me?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: You know? Why? You know?
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Why am I picking these people that are going to
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: break my heart?
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Why don't I adjust?
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Why don't I like maybe I should spend some time
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: alone and figure out what the fuck is wrong with
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: me or figure out who I am. And those moments
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: where you have to kind of go through things and
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: figure them out. They're so important for you in life
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: and for a comic, bombing can oftentimes be one of
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: the best like motivating factors to take you to another
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: level in your career or wreck your confidence forever, right,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: just like fighting.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say it happens to fighters. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Some fighters lose and they're never the same again. And
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: some fighters lose and then a new version of them
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: emerges in the next fight.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: You're like, whoa this dude dialed in. Who would be
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: a good example of that?
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Charles Olivera. Yeah, yeah, he's the best example of it
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: because for the longest time, everybody thought he was a quitter,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: like he would just break, and now he's like one
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: of the scariest motherfucker's alive. Yeah, you know, I spent
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: this last weekend the fight with Max Holloway, like, good lord,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Like Max Holloway was a two to one favorite in
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: that fight, and he got shut out. Like literally every
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: round was a dominant performance by Olivera. It was crazy.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: It's funny people complaining about that fight too.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: It's like the because it was on the ground, right, Yeah,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: my daughter complained about it, just like me and that
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: was so boring. You're a casual. My kid's a casual.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: People love a slug fest, don't they.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they do, they do. They do love a
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: slug fest. Yeah, But you know, that's that's the sport.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: The sport is like, sometimes it's going to be excited
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: and sometimes it's just gonna be a ground battlem But
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: for me it was exciting because I was trying to
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: figure out whether Max could get up, what he could
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: do to prevent from getting taken down, and whether or
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: not he could figure out a way to reverse the
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: position and get on top. And you know, when you're
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: watching like a guy dominate a world champion like that,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: it's just you're in Marvel. You're like, Wow, this is crazy.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I can't believe he's able to do this.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: This is nuts. I wish I would have started jiu
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: jitsu when I was small, because I tried, like, you know,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: late thirties, and I was like it was kind of
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: like the golf thing where I was like, well, first
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: of all, it's way cooler than golf, But I was like,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: the amount of time is going to take me until
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: this doesn't feel like being smothered. Yeah, it's gonna be
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: a long time, and I don't know if I have
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can start now, you know
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm sure, yeah, Like it's how long
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: would it take for like a grown person until you
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: actually know what's going on intuitively and it doesn't feel
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: like chaos.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Well, there's layers of knowing intuitively, Like there's guys like
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: even as a black belt, there's guys that I could
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: roll with and I would just get humiliated because they're
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: just so much better than I am. Like my friend
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Gordon Ryan, that's his belt up there. Abu Dhabi Chap
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: he's the greatest of all time, Like and he's thirty, Yeah,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: the greatest grappler.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: That's ever lived. But man, he's he's a freaking amazing.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: But he trains three hundred and sixty five days a year.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: He does not take breaks off Christmas, fuck you, it's
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: your birthday, fuck you, Happy Easter. Fuck you. He trains
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: every day, and he trains like twice a day, three
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: times a day. It's like that is the only way
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: to be the greatest. And you know, and he's obviously
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: a lot bigger than me, but it's not the best example.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: But he does that to heavyweight black belts, just humiliates them.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: They have He writes down on a piece of paper
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: what he's going to do to them and hands it
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: to the judges before the fight. So he's like, I'm
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: gonna triangle this guy. And he's doing it to world champions,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: like guys who have been like multiple world champions.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: And he's just predicting what he's gonna do, and then
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: he passes on every submission until he can get him
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: in that like he's having fun, but he's like he's
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: playing with his food, you know. So this levels to stuff.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: So to be competent in rolling, you could get there
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: in a couple of years, depending on how often you train.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Like Boordain got really serious at fifty eight.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Wow, at fifty eight, that's when he started. That's when
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: he started.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when I first met him, he wasn't training at all.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: When I first met him. He came to the UFC.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: His wife was really into the UFC, and she was
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: she had just started doing jiu jitsu and she was
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: getting him into the sport and he really got it,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: interested in it, and then she took him to jiu
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: jitsu classes, Like fuck, this is actually kind of fascinating. Yeah,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: and he had never done any kind of athletic things
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: in his whole life. And then like when he was
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: sixty is a photo of him, like in his sixties
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: and he's walking down the street with his he had
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: gotten divorced and he was dating some new girl and
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: he's got the six pack. He looked shredded. And when
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I when I first met him, he was like Dowe
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: and he had a thumb ring and he was like,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: you know, a chef, and you know he was into drinking.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: And it just became a jiu jitsu addict. And he
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: was training every fucking day and sometimes twice a day
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: he would do a private lesson and they would take
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: a class every day.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, he got it.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: And then he he told me he was taking He's
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: like when we were hunting in Montana. He we were
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: on the ground in Montana, he wanted to like learn
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: some stuff. So I was explaining him certain like I'm like,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: when you go for a dars, there's a way to
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: get there's a thing called the Japanese necktie. And I
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: was explaining to him on the dirt.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I was like, you guys all camoed out doing on
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: the ground, but.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: He was like he was so interested in that he
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: was he was like constantly asking questions, and he had
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: guys that were in the crew that had also gotten
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: interested in jiu jitsu because of him. So like, while
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: he was there filming his show, he also went down
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: and was training. He found a local jiu jitsu gym
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: and he went down there and trained while we train
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: everywhere on the Yeah, he would go to like foreign
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: countries and train like he didn't even speak the language.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: And you know, he's just fucking famous guy from TV
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: and he's just rolling in there with like normal people
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: and getting strangled.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Fifty eight man, that's INCREDI I have no excuse. I'm
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: gonna start. Yeah, do it. I want to put it
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: in front of my kid for sure, Oh definitely. I
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: mean as soon as he can do it. I want
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: him to try, you know, if he likes it or not.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: But it's like I feel like it's one of those things.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: It's so good to connect with other people in that
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: way from such a young age. You give me confidence,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: and then if you love it, if he has a
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: passion for it, you don't have to worry about him
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: becoming a drug addict or something because you can't be both,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: like right, you know, there's a few things where like
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: you can't be both. You've got to really give that everything.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Also, it becomes like a real source of confidence for
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: kids if they know that they can fight, like they
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: can avoid fights, people won't want to fight them because
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: they'll have a reputation they can. It's very good to know.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: It's also like you can get out of things just
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: by knowing how to fight because you know, like what
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: people are doing, what they're not doing. You don't say
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: anything stupid because you're trying to trick a person into
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: thinking that you're a tough guy. This is a quiet
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: confidence that comes with these guys. And also if something
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: does happen, most people have zero idea of how to
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: fight or zero and they think they're just gonna swing
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: and hit you in the face. And you see all
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: this shit coming way before it happens, Like you see
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: them moving the right foot back.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Like oh god, yeah, here we go.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's like they're playing a game, but they
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: don't even know the rules, Like they don't even know
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: the skill. They don't know anything, but they've seen it
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: on TV and they think they're gonna be able to
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: pull it off, especially if they're drunk.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a whole Instagram channel that's dedicated to
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: fights on Sixth Street here. Have you seen this? It's amazing, dude,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: it's incredible. You can just watch it for hours.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: I've seen a bunch. Yeah, a lot of them taking
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: place right in front of my club. Fights on the
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: street are so scary because guys fall and they hit
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: their head. That's it. That's how people die, where they
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: get punched in the jaw and they go out and
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: they just bang their head off the ground.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Or there's a lot of people out there that will
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: when you're already out, step on your head. You see
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: that a lot. Yeah, that's I don't understand anyone who
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: has the impulse to do that. That's crazy to me. Like,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: if you've won the fight already, move on. Yeah, that's
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: that's scary stuff. That's evil.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: The want of some people that get red with rage
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: and they lose their mind and then they wind up
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: in jail for the rest of their life and then
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: just sitting in a cell going what the fuck? One
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: night drunk doing something stupid and now I'm here forever.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, and there's someone's.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Dead, and someone's dead, someone's parents are crying, and someone's
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: missing their father, Like fuck.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he looked at my girlfriend. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: I know. People are retarded. Yeah, the best thing about
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: fighting is it teaches you not to fight. Very few
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: of my friends that know how to fight have ever
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: been in street fights. It's almost never happens. It's just like,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: it's just it's such a stupid thing to do.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: How many times in your life have you had to
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: use it, like practically in a real life Never really never.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Not since I was in like high school. I've never
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: been in a fight, fight, like an actual fight since
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: high school. I'll avoid them. Yeah, I'm not like, if
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: I finally know I can fuck you up and I
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: could just get away, I'm like, I just get away.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I don't need to prove, Like what's the point. Also,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: here's the thing people always say, Oh, if I could
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: follow out fuck people up, great, and then they're gonna
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: come back and kill you, you know, and then they're gonna
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: run you over or shoot you or don't be stupid,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's pointless. It's pointless. You know. I've had
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: situations where I thought I was gonna have to fuck
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: somebody up and I didn't. But you have to have
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: self control. You have to you know, you have to
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: be able to know. And also like most people like
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: if they want to fight you, all you have to
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: do is kind of like put your hands up and
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: move a little bit, like they're not gonna be able
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: to do anything. They'll be swinging and you're just like,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: what are we doing here? What are we doing? And
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: it's it's the only time people get hurt is when
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: you engage, like you're swinging at each other. If someone's
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: swinging at you and they don't know what they're doing,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: they have almost no chance of hurting me. Like this
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: is zero unless I'm asleep, unless I'm really drunk, You're
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: almost zero chance of hitting me unless you really know
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: what to do. If you're really not a fight. Most
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: of those people are really not a fight. Aren't fighting
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: people any fighting? Yeah, And I'm not gonna provoke anybody.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna start a fight. So it's like, I mean,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I know a few of my friends that have had
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: to fuck people up. Gordon had to beat the fuck
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: out of a homeless guy in Austin, yeah, way, oh yeah,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: some homeless guy.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: He picked the wrong dude, boy.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: And Gordon tried to get out of it, but the
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: guy wouldn't. He put him to sleep. Wow, yeah, put
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: him to sleep and then call the cops, and the
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: cops came and picked.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: The guy up. Humiliation the wrong guy.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: But that shows you how fucking stupid people are. Because
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Gordon's a gorilla. Here's this big giant, two hundred and
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: forty pounds jack dude who's uh you know, I don't
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: know how many time jiu jitsu world champion, and then
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: some fucking idiot, you know, probably high out of his mind.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, drugs a fight with him.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: I think he picked a fight with his girlfriend first.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: I think he fuck with his girlfriend and fuck with
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: another guy and just a problem. Just some guys are
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: just nuts, man. Yeah, and you know, mental health issues.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: And but fights are stupid. They're so pointless. Organized fights
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: it's a different thing. I mean, that's high level problem
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: solving with dire physical consequences. That's what I call it.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: That's what a real fight is like, Like both agree,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: we're gonna make a certain weight, we're gonna meet September seventh.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Here it is that's a different thing.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing. It's like a chess match and
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: you can't breathe, you know, crazy, Yeah.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it. Yeah, but in
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: chess the pieces can only move a certain way right.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: And jiu jitsu it's nuts as there's like so many
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: different variations, and then you add in striking and wrestling, like,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: oh my god, it's so car I love it. I
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: I'll never get tired of watching MMA. It's the most
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: exciting thing ever for me. I like other sports, like
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: I've really grown to love football since I moved to Texas,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: and I can watch a good basketball game. Baseball is hard,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: but to me, it's all just downtime unless fights a
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: wrong right, it fights around. I'm not watching anything else,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Like I've been at football games, like at the UT
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: games with the UFC on my phone, sitting there while
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I'm watching the UFC, and I.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Wish I have football envy. I went to a Christian
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: school in Ohio and we didn't have a football team.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: And I feel like if you don't like grow up
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: around it in high school, you just don't understand, like
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: the nuance. I understand the rules and I get it,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: but I just I don't know. I don't love it
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: like people do. And I wish I did. I wish
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: that the stakes just I don't understand it. I don't
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: understand the team sport thing as much as I do
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: like I love him, mate, I love watching UFC because
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: it's like the stakes are so high, something about one
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: on one, who's the better person today? You know that's
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: you know, you can't there's no one to blame it on, right,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: It's just one person.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: It's a different thing. Like I have grown to love
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: it living here. My wife is a big football fan,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: and so she got me into it. And then I've
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: gone to a bunch of UT games and they're fucking fun, man.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: And it's like when someone scores a touchdown, everybody wins,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: like the whole team cheer, like the whole audience, like
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: eighty thousand people. And there's something to do that, right,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Because like when fighters fight and someone gets knocked out,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: like people cheer and it's exciting, but like, you know,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: you never know who's Like if you're watching Justin Gatgee
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: fight Max Holloway, I don't know who's for Justin gatch
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Who's from Max Holloway? You look out there, like everybody's
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: wearing UT colors, right, or they're wearing you know, Oklahoma colors.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Like it's like you've got your colors. Everybody, You've got
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: your outfits. Everybody's pumped. They cheer when this guy scores,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: they boo and that guy scores. It's like more of
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: a team. Everybody wins together. Yeah, whereas like with MMA,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: you know you there's there's it's like you're just watching
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: an individual. You're appreciating an individual who's a rare human being.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Talk about human being that becomes a guy who could
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: become an MMA world champion, that is a truly special
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: human Like the amount of dedication and dry and the
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: amount of focus and discipline and the courage that you
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: have to have to get in your fucking underwear and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: stand there with a cup on, with little tiny pads
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: on your gloves in front of another savage, like another
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: train killer who has been training for eighteen weeks for
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: this one moment, and they bolt the door shut to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: the cage and then the referee goes, fight, are you ready?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Fight?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Are you ready? Let's go crazy, and then the whole
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: world is watching. You're surrounded by twenty thousand people and
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: lights and cheering, and you're trying to keep your shit
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: together and you're getting kicked, and.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: How do you sleep the night before that? That would
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: be my thing. I don't think I can hard. I
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to sleep.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: It's hard. I would always get sick. I would get
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: sick before tournaments because I wasn't sleeping and I was
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: training really hard, and I didn't even take vitamins back then.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Was a dumbass.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: But because I was young. I stopped fighting when I
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: was twenty two. But for a lot of these guys,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: it is hard. It's really hard to just relax, and
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: then they grow to learn how to relax, and then
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: then it's really scary, and then it's really hard to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: beat them because a lot of guys are terrified before
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: they even get Like Anderson Silva in his prime, he
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: would win fights at the weigh ins because they would
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: just like look at him and he would be standing
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: there staring at you, and you're like, oh my god,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: I have to fight this guy to my row, Oh
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: my what have I done? Why am I doing this
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: in my life?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Imagine doing that stare down Mike Tyson back and oh
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: that'd be the most terrifying. Oh dude, it was. It was.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: There would be guys that look like they were gonna
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: faint while the referee was giving him instructions. You know.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: I remember he fought Bruce Selden and Bruce Selden, who
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: was a beast man. He's a fucking tank of a man,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: and he looked like he was gonna faint during the staredown.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine. Yeah. Yeah, he was the scariest of
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: all time. He was.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: He was absolutely the scariest of all time, the scariest
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: boxer that I've ever seen in my life. And there
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: was a period of time between like nineteen eighty six
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: and like probably like around nineteen ninety where he was
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: just fucking running through everybody. It was so you would
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: buy the pay per view knowing that the guy was
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: gonna get knocked out and hoping that you get your
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: money's worth, because you look, pay per view is like
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: whatever it was fifty bucks or something. You know, like
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: if it's like thirty seconds, you're like, aw, it's bullshit.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: People would get upset that the pay per view is
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: so quick, but I mean that's what you were, that's
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: what you're signing up for and those kind of guys.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, when you got a guy that's got every
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: box checked, discipline, focus, training, genetics, everything all together mindset, right,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: he would beat guys like long before they ever got
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: in there, because they knew that they were they were
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: fighting this demon, this guy that just was so much
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: better than everybody else, and there's no way you could
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: catch up to him.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: No, is it true about his Wasn't it like his
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: trainer died and then kind of he lost the whole.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, his trainer was Custo Motto. Custom Motto was
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: a legendary figure in boxer. He had trained Floyd Patterson,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Jose Torres. He trained like a lot of like legit
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: world champions. And he was also a hypnotist and he
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: adopted Yeah, he was a hypnotist.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Well, he was really into the mental side of fighting.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: He was more almost like as much of a psychologist
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: as he was a boxing trainer. Was all about tempering
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: their mind and getting them ready. Like he would tell
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Mike Tyson, you don't exist, only the task exists. He'd
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: say crazy shit to him, and he adopted him when
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: he was thirteen. So Mike was thirteen and he came
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: from Bedford Style in Brooklyn's horrible neighborhood. So his whole
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: life was like crime and violence and no love and
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: just terrible. And then all of a sudden, this man
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: took him under his wing, who was also a legendary
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: figure in boxing, legendary like he was like he was
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: the guru, and oh you know he basically it was
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: like the perfect storm. And then he was also his
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: manager was this guy Jim Jacobs. And Jim Jacobs was
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: not just a manager, he was an historian of boxing,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: and he had this incredible library of all the great fighters.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: So he would watch film, you know, like fucking those fights.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: He'd like have a projection screen and he would watch
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: film of like Jack Johnson and Stanley Ketchel and you know,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: Sandy Sadler and all these great fighters from back in
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: the day, Roberto Duran. He would just sit there and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: absorb all these amazing fights. And when you can watch
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: like that's one of the great things about today, like
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: especially with MMA, Like if you look at the fights
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety three and the fights from twenty twenty six,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: the skill level is like magnitudes greater because all these
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: guys have grown up watching all these fights. Now, because
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: from the time that MMA existed it was on television.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: You could watch it on YouTube after that, and it
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: was like there was always fights that you could see,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: so you could see what guys were doing, so you
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: had an understanding of the level. So kids would grow
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: up imitating their favorite fighters, held grow up, you know,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: imitating John Jones and imitating Kane Velasquez and all these guys,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: and you you could absorb a lot just by seeing
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: the elite level of these guys. And Mike Tyson was
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: one of the only guys back then that had that ability.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Interesting because he had this.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Immense library of the greatest fights of all time, and
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: so he would be training with one of the greatest
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: trainers that ever lived, was probably the greatest psychological trainer
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: that ever lived. Also, the guy was hypnotizing him at thirteen,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: programming him to be this destruction machine. And then he
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: was watching fights. So he's watching all these guys, Jack
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: Johnson and all these like great old school champions and
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Jack and he just absorbed it all and he would
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: get in that ring with fucking no socks on and
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: no robe and just like a throwback. He was like one.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: He was like he absorbed the energy of those old
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: great fighters, the Sugar Ray Robinson's and the hardcore old
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: school guys who would fight like once a week, once
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: every two weeks.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Dude, is that how often they were doing?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Oh they fought so many times. I think before Sugar
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Ray Robinson ever lost a fight, he was ninety and
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: oh something crazy like that.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just some ninety fucking crazy who just crazy.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wild.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: And to be able to watch that kind of stuff
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: when you're young, you absorb it, you know.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Sure. It's like kids that play instruments now, sure. I
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: mean you'll see an eight year old online who's better
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: than any drummer in the seventies. Right, It's crazy just
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: how quick they can how quickly they can get better now.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because they have access to everyone all the time.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: So cool.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: I would imagine that's like that with all sports now.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: But you know, like you can, like you could go
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: back and watch if you're a basketball player, you could
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: go back and watch Jordan, you can watch Larry Bird,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: you can watch you know, lebron Kobe. You can watch
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: all these great basketball players and see what they're doing.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Whereas if you were young, you know, in the sixties
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: or seventies, like you only got to see the people
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: you saw. Yeah, you get you were as good as
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: the people you were around, which is why it was
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: so important to be a part of like a great
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: program in high school and college because then you'd be
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: around like and then you go to the States and
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: see how these guys are doing. Oh, these guys are
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: better than us. Like I remember that from wrestling, Like
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: the only time when I was wrestling in high school,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: the only time you get to see like really good guys.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: You'd go somewhere else, like I I was. I went
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: to school in Newton, Newton South High School, and we
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: had good wrestlers in our program, and I thought they
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: were good until I would go to the States and
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: you go, oh my god, these fucking guys. These kids
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: are going to camps every year. They were wrestling three
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: and sixty five days a year. They were like obsessed
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: with it. And then if you go to like Iowa
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: or somewhere like that, Oh good lord, it's a fucking
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: religion there. I mean, they've been doing that since they
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: were babies. Yeah, you know, it's like you absorb what
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: you see and your brain rises to the level of
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: the competition that you see.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: The last time I was really into a boxer was Loma. Oh.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: I love watching him. Oh he's got a cool story too.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: It didn't his dad make him do ballet for a.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: While, Ukrainian dance for two years, pulled him out of
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: boxing for two years.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: That guy moves like it doesn't look real right, Like
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: people shouldn't be able to move like that.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: The matrix that came beautiful. Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: He would do footwork that no one had even considered
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: doing before. The movement, the slipping to the side and
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: the angles, and his ability to change direction was crazy
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: because he would be here and then he'd be here,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: and then you're swinging and he's here and he's hitting
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: you by my bank. And he also is way smaller
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: than everybody. He was way smaller than everybody, Like he
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: was supposed to be one hundred and twenty six pound
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: fighter and he went all the way up to the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: one hundred and forty pound division.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: There are like a lot of younger guys doing that
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: sort of style now coming up. Or is that like
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: a one off?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: It's kind of a one off.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Usik does it.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: But Usik was trained by Lomachenko's father. They were trained
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: by the same guys. Usik is essentially like a heavyweight Lomachenko.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: That's why he moves so much dangerous. That guy's a freak.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: He's a freak.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: He's a he's a pleasure to watch watching that guy.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's beating guys that are so much bigger
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: than him. When when he beat Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: was like two hundred and eighty pounds and he's like
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: a cruiserweight. He was really a two hundred pound guy
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: that blew up to compete against heavyweights. He's much smaller
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: than those guys, but he was so fast and so
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: and just his under his pattern recognition is understanding of boxing.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: It's just elite, like so many levels above everybody else.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: And he's thirty eight, Like at thirty eight, you're supposed
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: to be done. Yeah, No, thirty eight, he's in his
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: fucking prime.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Also, clean life, clean living, like serious Christian, like very
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: very religious, you know, doesn't party, doesn't fuck around, you know,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: and just trains with like rigid discipline. Yeah, that Soviet
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: style discipline, the Ukrainian discipline. Like those guys like their
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: program over there, like you can see it, like a
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Dmitri Bval and a lot of the other like Soviet
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: style boxers, they have like a very comprehensive technical program
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: that they put their fighters under. There's a style like
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Beval's the best example of that style. It's such a
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: fucking difficult style because it's so movement based and a
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: lot of like American fighters were kind of rigid in
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: their footwork and moving forward, just trying to land the
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: big shots, and like Beval is just moving around you
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: all the time, popping you and like oh yeah, sort
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: of like the Dagistani guys in them A man's the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: same thing.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're not going to beat those guys because
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: it's all they do. Bro.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: They're in eat and breathing. They're in Muytai. Now there's
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: this kid that I'm obsessed with. He's twenty two years old.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: His name is Asadullah in imong Ghazalliev. I don't want
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: to fuck it up. Asadula imon Ghazalliev. He's a fucking
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: freak man. He's twenty two years old and he's destroying
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: world champions in muay Thai, just killing them.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: He'sani. Yeah, Wow, so.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: The Dakistanis are taking over strikeingon now.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: Well, this guy's nuts, man. He's so fluid too. It's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: it's nuts to watch him. Man. He's like, he moves
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: like nobody else moves and he's real tall for the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: weight class, so you can't even get close to him.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: He's fucking you up from the outside. And just this
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: is the guy that's this. This guy is a fucking
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: freak man. He's just doing things different than everybody else.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: And he's destroying people, just destroying everyone everyone he fights.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: He's so unusual man. And again he's from.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: A hard part of the world.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Man. You know, you grow up been some fucking soft
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: neighborhood and your dad takes you to karate classes.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Dude, this guy's fighting for his dinner. He's just murking people.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: And it's also he comes from a culture that like
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: revers combat sports. You know, they have their their they're champions,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: guys like Islam Maka chev kabebe never cometo off.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: Like their legends over there.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and everybody grows up wanting to be
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: one of those guys.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Where was Fador from.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: He's from Russia, is he?
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah? He was the first I was watching him
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: growing up. Man, it was the first, so I used
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: to watch him before auditions. Really. Yeah. There was just
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: something about his like mindset where it's like his he
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: was so even keel phtoic. Yeah, it's like his heart
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: rate didn't change or something. Even when he won, he'd
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: just be like like walk off like that. Yeah.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his expression never changed.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: He was one of the all time greats, if not
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: the all time great He was different than everybody else.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: And he was a heavyweight that could submit you, he
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: could knock you out. He was fast, he wasn't big.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: I mean he was like eleven, very unassumingly.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you wouldn't know. He was the most dangerous guyl.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, belly fat, little. He didn't give a fuck what
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: he looked like. He was all about how he could perform, right,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: you know. And he was a part of like that
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: era where MMA emerged, and in Japan it was so
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: much bigger than it was in America. During the Pride
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: days when Fador was running shit, there was ninety thousand
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: people in those arenas.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were doing like the Tokyo super Dome. They
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: were doing these gigantic arenas and like everyone was a
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: fan in the country, and then it all went away
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: because the yakuza was involved and there was a big scandal,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: and you know, like MMA was bigger in Japan than
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: it was anywhere in the world, and it just kind
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: of like fizzled out.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Did you ever go to any of those in Japan?
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: I went to a UFC once in Japan. We did
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: one UFC in Japan and I went there. It was
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: really cool. It was just I was just really happy
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: to be in Japan for a fight because I you know,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: I've been such a fan of Japanese martial artists and
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Japanese martial arts period, and look, I have a I mean,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: I have Maya Moolta Musashi tattooed on my arm. But
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: being in there in Japan was like it was interesting
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: because they were so educated, Like they were really quiet
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: while the fights are going on, but then when something
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: would happen, even something really technical like somebody passing the guard,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: they would go oh and they would all clap Like
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, this is interesting. Like it was
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: like you could hear each corner yelling instructions like you
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: wouldn't you didn't hear the crowd at all. Wow, there's
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: sixteen thousand people in.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: That's cool. It was wild.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a completely different kind of audience, like
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: very respectful, very appreciative, and very knowledgeable.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: It was cool. Do you think if you didn't do
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: what you did, would you rather watch like UFC in
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: person or would you watch it at home? Uh?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: In person's the best. You want to be there, you
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: want to feel the crowd, But I would want to
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: be there where I sit, like I'm super spoiled.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got the best.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: See I'm like I could reach up and grab a cage.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: It's right there, Like, I'm so spoiled. But you know,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: if you're in the bleeders, if you're in like the nosebleeds,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: you're probably better off watching it at home, honestly, because
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: then you get the commentary, you get to see replays,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: you get to see you know, like close up. If
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: you got a big TV at home, you get to
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: see everything.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: I just sat close for the first time I went
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: to the Patty Getchee fight. Oh did it was amazing?
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: That was a good one.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: It was amazing, dude. But yeah, it's definitely different hearing
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: the sound.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like a whole.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: When you hear like bone on bone, you're like, WHOA.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Well. My favorite was during the pandemic we had fights
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: at the UFC Apex with no crowd. It was insane.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: It was so because we were world championship fights with
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: no crowd.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: There was maybe like fifty hundred people in the room. Wow,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: it was like mostly just staff of the UFC, the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: trainers of the fighters, and some some of the other
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: fighters in the audience and some friends in the audience
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: and that's it. And the UFC Apex has a small
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: ring to a smaller cage, so it's like I think
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: it's like I want to say, it's forty percent smaller.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: It's a lot smaller.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's small. How
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: would that affect a fight? A lot practically can move as.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Much not as much distance to get away, you know,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: So a guy who likes to like move around a
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: lot and get away from people, like I saw Francis
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: and Gonald versus Steve Amochi when Francis won the title
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: in the Apex with no crowd.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: And when Francis hits things, it's like it's like hearing
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: a baseball bat hitting a pumpkin. It's just womp and
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: you and you're right there. You hear them breathing, You
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: hear the crack when they get hit. You know, you
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: hear the coaches yelling out.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Hands up, hands up, move, move, move, you know, hit
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: them with the one one too.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: They're yelling out instructions and it's like there's no one
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: else there. It's silent.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Wow, it's amazing. So that's the way.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's my favorite.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: But there's something about an amazing crowd, you know, like
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: when you're watching a big world title fight in a
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: like in Vegas or in the massive Square Guard. It's
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: an incredible place just because the history of the place.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: You feel it when you're in Madison Square Guard. But
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: my favorite is the Apex.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about this white House card?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: That's insane makes me a little nervous. I don't know,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: it's the best idea.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like the war open some room for
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: some tom foolery. It seems like it.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the card is not what they wanted it to be,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: for sure. They wanted it to be like all world titles.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: But you know, matchmakers have a very difficult task. It's
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: very hard to find people that aren't injured, that are
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: like like that are ready at this particular time because
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: the brutal aspect of the sport is that guys are
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: always hurt. They're always training hurt, they're always getting hurt,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: they fight hurt. There is always no one very rarely
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: is anyone going into the octagon one hundred percent.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: There's always something going on. Guys are they doing and
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: with staff infections in camp and they're taking intibiotics and
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: it fucks with your endurance, and maybe they've got a
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: muscle pull or a knife that's fucked up. And when
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: Frances and Gano fought Cyril Gone, he blew his acl
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: out so he had to wrap his leg up and
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: he had one leg and he beat him with one leg.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: Guys have fought with broken hands, you know. Alex Pereira,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: he's beaten guys with a broken foot. He fights with
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: a broken foot, just stoic standing there, nose his foot's broken,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: doesn't give a fuck. He fought with a bad knee.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: His knee needed surgery, like like there's a fight that
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: he fought Eerie Prajasca where he's on top of Erie.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: They stopped the fight and he does a forward roll
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: to get off of him after he knocked on because
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: he couldn't stand on his left leg.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that was that like a known thing
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: while the fight was happening. No, oh, no, he remember
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: that fight. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had surgery after the fight.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Is really big in our house because Brazil right, oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: those Brazilians, man, they love each other. It's crazy. She
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't even care about MMA that much, but if there's
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: a Brazilian fighting, she's all about it.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, very very proud people. And it's also
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: like Brazil's where it all started. They were having MMA
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: fights in Brazil in the nineteen thirties.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Ilio Gracie, who's really the founder of all
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: this shit. He's the father of like the Gracie Klan.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: The Gracie family is like the greatest story in the
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: history of martial arts that one family has changed martial
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: arts forever, and it really changed it because of Carlos
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: Gracy and Ilio Gracy and Carlson Gracie, these three Gracis
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: who competed in these no rules fights. They didn't have
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: time limits back then, no gloves, no nothing, and they
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: were fighting in giant crowds in Brazil in the nineteen
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: thirties nineteen forties, and they were figuring things out that
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: nobody had figured out before. They figured out. They took
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: techniques from judo, like judo was mostly about throws, but
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: there was some submissions, and so they concentrated only on
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: the submissions, and they hone and they created Brazilian jiu jitsu,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: like jiu jitsu, which was a Japanese martial art, but
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: Brazilian jiu jitsu is far more technical than Japanese jiu jitsu,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: and even Japanese guys now trained Brazilian jiu jitsu.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, is there any Are there purists
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: that only do the Japanese style still or not? Really,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: you can't really compete.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean you could, because everybody kind of
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: knows everything now because Brazilian jiu jitsu has made its
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: way into every other sport. Brazilian jiu jitsu has made
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: its way into Russian sambo and luish is another combat
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: sport which is also elite. But Brazilian jiu jitsu changed
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: the game and the Gracie family changed everything forever. And
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: you know, and the guy who fought in the UFC, Hoys,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: he wasn't even the best guy in the family. He
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: told everybody, my brother Hickson kills me. Hickson was the man,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: Like Hickson was above and beyond everyone back then.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: He was.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: He was a guy who did yoga, he was meditating.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: He did this crazy thing with his stomach where he
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: would do this breathing where his stomach would suck in.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: He was like a real freak and he was undefeated,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: like nobody could touch him. He would he would go
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: and do these seminars. So he teaches seminar and teach
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: it to all these black belts and then he would
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: roll with all of them NonStop and just tap out everybody.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: Everybody World Champions. They'll be like, ah, there's a bunch
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: of hype and they go in there act they'll get armbard,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: they'll get leg locked, like it was crazy. He was
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: so much better than everybody else, And so they wanted
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Hoyst to win because Hickson also was like pretty jacked,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: and he was like really fit, and he was really
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: he was really into strength and conditioning, and like I said, yoga,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: it was incredibly flexible, like he could stand there and
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: do the splits and like hold his leg up and
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: there on a balance bar.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Is he the one that wrote that book? Yeah yeah,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: I read.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: That Yeah yeah. And he had that documentary. It's a
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: great documentary called Choke, phenomenal documentary about his rise through
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: Japan Valley Tudo. And then he was the guy. He
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: was the guy they based the first Pride event on. Okay,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: he was the champion of the first Pride event. He
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: was the guy that the whole thing was based on
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: because he was huge in Japan. I mean, he was
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: a superstar in Japan, but he was the champion of
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: the family and they wanted Hoyst to do it because
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: hoys was like smaller and he would show that jiu
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: jitsu was about technique that makes sense. And the plan
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: was if hoys ever got beat throwing Hickson and everybody's fucked.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: But Hickson, like his brother Horion, started the UFC, and
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: Horion and Hickson had friction, and Horian really couldn't control Hickson,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: and so they were like, let's put Hoysen and if
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: we need to call on Hickson, we'll call the Boogeyman.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: He was the Boogeyman.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Remember the guy? I think he was UFC one who
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: had the one glove, the one boxing Yeah, ur Jimmerson, Yeah,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: what was that about? Well, I think he decided.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: He wanted to be able to hold out of people
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: and he wanted to punch him with his right head.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: You're attacked.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Well, no one knew what they were doing back then.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: Everybody everybody had this idea of what fighting was, and
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: they didn't really know until they got taken down there.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: It was his left hand, so that's interesting. So I
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: guess he wanted to pop them with the jab? Is
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: that Hoys just fucking put it to that guy. Amazing,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: But Hoys was doing something that nobody had seen before,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: and that one event, when he was doing that to people,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: it changed everything. It changed my opinion of martial arts.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: I immediately started taking jiu jitsu.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, you were taekwondo.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: I started in taekwondo, and then I did kickboxing for
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: a while, and then when as soon as I saw
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: the UFC, I immediately started taking jiu jitsu. I was like,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: oh god, I don't And then when I started taking it,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: I have so cocky. I was like, I'm not a
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: fight And then I took classes, was just getting manhandled
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: and mauled and tapped left and right. I was like,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm a beginner. Yeah, this is so humiliating.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I gotta get good at this.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: This is I couldn't believe how helpless I was. I
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: was running around thinking I was a badass and I
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: was just a fool.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, A home you real quick. Oh so I didn't
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: do that. I did it for you know, maybe a
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: couple months, and I just I never made it past
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: the hump. I should probably try again.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: But get a trainer, get a guy who can do
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: drills with you. That's really huge. If you can get
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: someone to do drills with you and like just go
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: over like like on a one on one basis, the
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: finer aspects of it and just do drills and drills
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: drills over and over again and then slowly start working
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: your way into group classes.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the key. I think the thing is with
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: you know, if you go do a boxing class, muay
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: Thai class, you get to get some frustration out right
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: because you're hitting something and it kind of feels good.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: On your drive home, you feel like beat the shit
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: out of that bag. You know, yeah, But then you do,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: you roll with somebody who's really good, and you go
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: home and you're more frustrated.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: But the first time you tap someone, it's like it's
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: such a revelation. You're like, oh my god, I got
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: an arm bar, Oh my god, I gotta try. Like
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: the first time you actually catch someone something and they tap,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget that feeling. I'm like wow. And then
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: you have to just trust the process, trust the process
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: of showing up and realizing it is a tall mountain
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: to climb. It's you're not gonna get there quick. It
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: is a it's a weird thing to do with your body.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: Your body doesn't know what to do with it. That's
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: why drilling is so important. When you're drilling, you're going
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: over the motions without resistance, so your body sort of
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: gets programmed how to shi switch switch your hips, and
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: how to catch the arm and how to pull your
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: body back and secure it with your legs and all
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: the different things that you have to do. Where if
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: you're doing just live sparring all the time, you you're
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: not gonna learn because you're all panicking and tight. You
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: got to be able to like train your body to
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: move a certain way so it becomes automatic.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: And is there a way to do it where you
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: can stay relatively injury free while you're learning or is
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: it like that's just part of the kind of part
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: It's kind of part of it.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Everybody just sort of assumes you're gonna eventually get hurt
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: in one way or another. You're gonna fuck your knee
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: up or fuck your ankle up or whatever. Right, But
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: the best way is to find good training partners. Don't
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: train with any wild people, because some people just dank
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: on things, and those are dangerous. The really dangerous people
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: are like blue belts who are really strong, who were
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: just like really spaz out on you. Like sure, kind
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: of avoid those folks because they could blow your knee
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: out accidentally. Yeah, you know, I've seen that a lot.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: Like I know people that are really good that won't
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: roll with people that are spas is they're like, I'm not.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: I definitely ran into a couple of the guys that
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: are like they just wanted to choke out case he doesn't.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: Of course, come on, man, I just started.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: Of course, I used to get that when I was
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: on fear factor. A lot of guys wanted to choke
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: out the fear factor guy. Yeah, but you know that's
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: just part of the fun. Like Jordane, Like, he's fifty
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: eight year old white belt nuts. Wow, If that guy
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: did it, fucking kind of anybody can do it.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: What belt did he get to?
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: Might he got to purple? Uh, you definitely got to blue.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he got to purple. But he
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: won tournaments. Wow, he competed in tournaments, you know. And
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: I remember when he first started doing it, He's like,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: I'd really like to compete in some age appropriate tournaments.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: I was trying to talk him.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: Out of it.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: I was like, get hurt, man, we need you out there. Yeah,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: he was obsessed if he could do it like that
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: just goes to show you a guy with no athletic experience,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: not a worker, didn't train, didn't do any working out,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: wasn't a runner, didn't lift weights, nothing, and then at
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: fifty eight it's like, all right, I'm gonna get good
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: at this.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, good for him, man, that's awesome.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Well, he was a guy that had had substance abuse
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: problems in his past, and the thing about being an
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: addict is if you can focus whatever that thing is
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: and get addicted to something really good, you can you
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: can really excel, sure, for whatever weird reason. Also there's
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: a flip side, So people that are addicted to a
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: sport or a thing and they get really good at
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: a thing and then they become drug addicts. That same
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: thing can kind of hijack your brain and then all
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: you're doing is like chasing meth all day. I've seen
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: that happen too.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, she'd get back into it. It's a
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: fun thing to do.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: It's good for your head too, because it's the hardest
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: thing you'll ever do. It's so hard because you're essentially
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: what you're The game you're playing is I kill you
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: or you kill me. Right, So when a guy gets
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: your back and gets your naked choking you tap, you're
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: essentially saying you just killed me. I thank you for
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: not killing me. I give up. And then when you
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: do it to him, he's saying that to you. So
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: it's so hard that the rest of your life is easy, right,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: everything else becomes easy. All the stress of fame, success
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: in Hollywood and the bullshit, it's nothing compared to some
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: dude mounting you, trying to get in your you're trapped
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: in an arm, trying trying to get your hand down
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: to protect yourself. It's way harder, and that that makes
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: the rest of your life easier. If you can choose
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: what's hard in your life, you'll be way better off.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Find a thing that's way more difficult on your mind,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: way more difficult on your body, way more difficult on
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: your spirit than this other thing that you do. So
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: it'll like make that other thing like easier to tolerate. Yeah,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: and stay humble too, yeah, oh yeah, super humble.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to think you're cool for being able
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: to say some lines.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: Some people get well, that's the other thing, right, you
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: get really intoxicated with everybody kissing your ass.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, easy, easy trapped.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: We've all seen that. We've all seen actors are just
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: like inflated.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a little blessed in
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: the way that I've never thought I was very great
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: at anything. I enjoyed doing the things, but I've never
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: you know, like never really I'm never good enough for myself.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Kind of hard on myself a little bit, but I've
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: seen it for sure. If you're waiting for someone else
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: to validate you. Once they do, you're screwed, right, because
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: you're going to believe it, right, you know what I mean.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, there's the problem of being a star is that,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: like all these people need you and the world, their
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: world of the show revolves around you. Yeah, so they're
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: all like, you know, kind of kissing your ass and
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: reverent towards you. It's like it's it's a little weird.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and that's new for me too. You know,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: I'd never been to anything that was like a massive
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: hit before Yellowstone and now with this new show, now
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: it's a hit and I'm the number one on the
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: call sheet, which is very new, and so I'm like
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: a you know, I'm an asset to them in a
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: different way. It'll be interesting navigating that.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: See, I'll probably try to talk you out of doing
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: jiu jitsu.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably have to sign something that I won't.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a lot of like Ski. There's
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of things because of the intro ye, like
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: if I get hurt and production has to shut down,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of money for them.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if that's one of them though,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: But like, yeah, skiing don't. It's funny because horseback riding
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: usually is, and I have to do that show that's
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: most dangerous.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, horseback riding is a shit out of me.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Dude, it's me too. It was not. It didn't come natural.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: That's not like a thing that I'm naturally good at
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: or had done before Yellowstone.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: My oldest daughter did it for a little bit in California,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: and she fell a couple of times, and one time
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: she heard her wrist really bad, and I was like,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: please stop, don't do this because she was doing those
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: things where you like jump over stuff, like.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's so dangerous because they stop just shy that
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: thing and you go flying right. Yeah.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: Her friend, she had a good friend that was really
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: into it and they started doing it together and I
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: was like, please don't. She fell a couple of times
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: and she was okay, but one time she really heard
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: her wrist and I was like, please stop, because your wrist.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: They can fix your neck. You get like Christopher Reeves.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I think about Christopher Reeves every time I
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: got I believe it. I wish I didn't.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: That was what he did, right, He was doing the
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: jumping thing, right, was it? I believe?
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: So?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just don't. I don't Yeah, I don't
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: get it. Do you ride motorcycles?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: Nope?
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: No, almost did almost as taking lessons. Me and a
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: couple of the other guys that worked on the crew
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: at Fear Factor, we all took motorcycle lessons together. We
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: were all talking about it, and so we took motorcycle
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: safety courses. You know, you're basically riding like it's kind
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: of like a dirt bike, and they teach you how
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: to shift and all this stuff. And I kind of
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: got into it. I was like, oh, this is really fun.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: And then three of my friends had motorcycle accidents, like
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: within a short time period. One of them wiped out,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: fucked up his shoulder, the other one got hit by
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: a car broke his leg, and then the other one
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: was actually someone saw someone It wasn't an actual motorcycle accident.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: He was there when some guy got rear ended by
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: a car that wasn't paying attention, just plowed into him
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: and sent him flying and fucked this guy up. And
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: not doing that.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: I had a bike for a couple of months in
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: LA and I went on a ride, and you know,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: it's one of those things you have to have the bug.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: You like, either have it or you don't. I was
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: trying to get the bug because I wanted that to
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: be a part of my identity and I wanted to
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: be guy who rode motorcyclists. So I rode up the
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: Pacific Coast Highway and I was kind of riding up
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: through like oh hi, and going around this corner, you know,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: this sort of like cliff side, and it's that thing
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: where if you stare at something, that's where you're gonna go.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: And I just kind of was like zoned out and
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: I almost ate shit right into the side of this
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: cliff and I was alone, Like if I would have
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: done it, it would have been forever until anyone figured
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: out like what had happened to me, you know, And
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: I kind of it was a really really close call,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: and I got off the bike and I kind of
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: sat there for a minute and I was like, yeah,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: I don't love it enough to die this way, you
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't need this in my life.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: And I never never did it again.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: I have friends that have never had a problem. I
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: have friends that ride bikes that have never had a problem.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: I think if I lived in Montana, I might do
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: it because there's this not that much traffic.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: No, but my seventy year old neighbor just hit a deer,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: oh seven years old on his like you know, it's
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: one of the BMW like adventure bikes, and he was
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: going seventy on the highway and hit a deer. Yeah
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: he's and he's fine, dude. This guy's a tank. But
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: how old was he killed the deer? He had road
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: rash everywhere, and he was kind of like, you know,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: on the couch for a fee. He's fine, dude. He
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: is a tank. This guy. They make him different out there. Dude,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: he's my next door day. He's amazing. Shout out Steve.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: Uh. He's got a range in his backyard to five
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: hundred yards oh wow, and has every firearm imaginable and
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: things you didn't even know they made. And so anytime
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: I can just you know, right over there and the
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: side by side, we grab a few and go down
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: and shoot in the back. Oh that's nice, that's cool. Yeah.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you find people like that in Montana.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he's the real deal.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: Wow. But seventy years old, hitting a deer is crazy
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: on a bike.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, killed the deer and he uh, about a month
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: later he was all right, he was back on the bike.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, geez. I've seen some videos of guys hitting deer,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: like you see, like from their camera, you see this
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: thing leap in front of the road. Then see Yeah, yeah,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: deer's they're everywhere out here.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: Man. When I'm driving home, i drive slow.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: There's like a certain road near my house where they
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: just pop out, all the suicidal deer. Yeah, just pop out,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: especially like around the rut the bucks are chasing they
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: get straight, and they're not chasing straight, they just they're
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: just out there like fucking pussy hungry, standing in the
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: road staring at you.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: I love explaining to people how the rut works, because
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: it works just like humans. It's like the only time
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: they're dumb enough that you're gonna get one is when
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: they're horny, right, you know.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: But for them it's once a year, which is way
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: crazier than us.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if it all came on, bro, if
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: humans had a rut, I would go on vacation during
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: that time.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm hiding I'm not don't want to be
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: anywhere near.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: It'd probably like murders car lock me in jail for
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: that month or whatever.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: I get a bunker, get a bunker, lockdown with Netflix
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: for a month.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: Fuck that.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: There is no way, man, that would be crazy. Imagine
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: if the whole world had their rut at the same time.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's a good movie idea.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: It is a good movie idea, right, that's actually a
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: great movie idea.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: Just call it. Yeah, Like human.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: Beings evolve, or maybe there's like genetic engineering because they
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: decided there's overpopulation, and the solution to it is only
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: have people breed at a certain time and also like
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: keep people from being distracted all the time, because like
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: how many people are on dating apps and how many
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: people are, like you know, going to bars and trying
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: to find someone. It's like it's a huge waste of
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: your time.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. My twenties and thirties were just blown
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: because of it. It's all I thought.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: About, massive, massive waste of your time. If there was
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: like a solution to that, the solution would be, like
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: everyone's going going to breed only during November.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's the best thing ever. It'd be great if
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: there was like a switch you could flip, you know,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: like a little boar, You're like flip it and then
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: go out and.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: Write out the rest of the year, like you don't
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: even care about girls because so productive man bucks just
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: walk by a female dough in like you know, fucking June.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: They don't give a shit, and they don't have their antlers,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: so they look the same. Right, you know what I mean,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: they lose their masculinity and right.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: Right right, I get it back pretty quick. Those fucking
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: things grow quick. It's like they fall off within a
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: month or two, they start growing nubs.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: Isn't it the fastest growing bone material on the on.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: The Yeah, I think elk is well because that's nuts.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, like you look at like a foreign and
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: four hundred inch elk, like some of those antlers that
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: are out there, Imagine that that grows in a couple
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: of months. It's bone. It's crazy, and they fight to
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: the death with it. Crazy Like we find elk that
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: have been killed by other elk. Happens all the time.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: Have you hunted in Montana?
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Not elk? Hunted mule deer in Montana and a
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: pheasant at the time.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: I went with pourteen never done elk until I moved
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: up there. I started hunting white tail when I was
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: like ten, like really young, because we have big whitetail
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: in Ohio, and I thought hunting elk would be similar,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: And boy was I mistaken.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: Bro it is when were you bow hunting?
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: A right? I've done both, but my first was a
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: bowhunt and we went out there. We were camping out there.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just made friends with the contractor that
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: built my house in Montana and he took me. We
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: went to public land around Dylan, Montana, and we went
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: for a week and I had to tap out day four,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Like I couldn't. My legs stopped working. I didn't. I
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: was like I didn't know I had. It was like this.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: So the next year I went. I was like prepared
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: for it, but I didn't know. And you really got
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: to go for it.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, you got to get in shape.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: I do a lot of shit before September. I do.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: I have this crazy routine that I do on an
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: air dine bike. I do these tobatas on an air
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: dine bike where you sprint for twenty seconds. Yeah, you
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: rest for ton, you sprint for twenty the worst. And
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: all I'm doing is thinking about getting over a hill,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: getting over a hill to get a shot, I mean,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: and then I do like box step ups, I do
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: all these different things with weighted vests and farmers carries
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: with fucking heavy kettlebells.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: All I'm doing is.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: Just trying to condition my legs. Yeah, you have to, Like,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: those mountains are brutal. There's no mountains here for me
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: to practice on. But in California, I used to run
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: hills with my dog.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're at elevation, which makes it even harder.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and a weird thing people wouldn't expect, like
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: just you know, makes it even worse. You get up
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: in the morning it's zero degrees. Middle of the day
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: it's fifty sixty, and you're hiking all days. It's like,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: how do you dress for that?
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: You have to dress to be cold. Yeah, Like once
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: you start walking, you have to be cold, Like you
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: got to get down to your base layer and walk cold,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: and then if you ever have to stop, then you
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: put it on. In the other key, marino wool, that's
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: the key, because wool is different than cotton. If your
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: cotton gets wet and then you you're sweaty and then
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: you get cold, you're fucked right, But Wol's not like that.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: Marino wool is.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: The best because like if you have especially a bass layer,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: because when you're sweating, it kind of keeps you a
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: little cool, and then if you get cold, it doesn't
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: it doesn't feel cold, yeah, because it's it's not synthetic,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: it's organic, makes sense. Yeah, it's a weird fiber.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We used to walk to the deer stand kind
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: of in half of our stuff, keep the other half
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: in the pack, and then like once I got in
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: the tree stand, I'd put everything on so that you
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you know, the sweat would and freeze too.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: That's hard. Deer hunting in a tree stand is fucking hard.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: It's like a silent retreat and you're freezing, yeah, at
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: the same.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: Freezing and you're sitting up there waiting for a deer
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: to walk by, and then you're so cold, and when
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: the deer walks by you go to pull your bow back.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh Jesus, yeah, why am I so weak? Yeah,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: like you could barely pull your bow back when you're
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: up in the tree.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but nothing, I mean, no challenge whatsoever compared to Elkony.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: That was like, blew my mind how hard that was.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: And the guy I went with, you know, he grew
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: up in Montana. He's like a mountain goat. I just
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: I couldn't keep up with this guy. Man, I'm like,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: this isn't how do you do this? Just constant all
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: day long?
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: You can't just get out of you off your couch
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: and go elk in the mountains. You can't do it.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: No, you gotta get in shape.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like my friend Cam Haynes, that's why he started running,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: became an ultra runner.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's doing like two hundred and fifty miles stuff, right.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he does like these three day runs.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: He tried to get you into that. Have you done
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: any of that? No chance.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: I have one knee that sucks. I have one knee
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: that I fucked up in martial arts. It's missing meniscus
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: and I cracked it skiing too. I wiped out skiing,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: got a fracture at the top of my tibia. So
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: it's like it's if I started running, it would get
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: beat up real bad, right, But I do. There's plenty
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: of conditioning you could do without running, you know. But
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: it's the pounding of running. It's not good for my knee.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: There's something so amazing though about getting to that first
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: thing in the morning, when sun's coming up and you're
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: glassing and you're just like, this is what I always
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: wanted hunting to be. Like, yeah, it's the real thing.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: It's like, this is what it's supposed to feel like.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: You're so far out there. You know. I didn't get
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: to go the last couple of years. My wife was
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: having our baby two years ago, so I wasn't allowed
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: to be in the woods with no service. And then
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: last year I was shooting the show. But this year
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to go. I got a good
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: spot and even if I'm shooting the show, it's like
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: it's right there.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: Well, they have phones now that I have satellite service,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: I think you get is that just T Mobile have that?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: We can get starlink on your on your phone. I
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: know they're doing that soon. And you know you can
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: text message with iPhones, you can. I got done that
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: right the middle of the woods. And you know what
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: the best thing is, man, when we were in Utah
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: last year. The last two years, I've had a Starlink
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Mini it is the ship. It's like the size of
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: an iPad. You just lay it down on the ground.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: You use the app and the Starlink app will tell
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: you which way to point it to and you get
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: high speed internet.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: I have one for when we shoot. We're in the
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. It's so awesome.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: It's so good you get you can here. It is
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: te satellite. Yeah, that's the ship man. Yeah, so you can.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: Can you make phone calls or is it just internet?
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: It's phone calls too, right, texting and select satellite ready apps. Okay,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: just texting. Satellite service including text to nine one one
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: may be delayed, limited, unavailable, So you can just text
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: and some satellite ready apps right now.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: So that's like everywhere. That's cool.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So eventually they'll have it'll be like Starlink could
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: be connected to your phone and you'll be able to
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: get high speed internet everywhere in the world if we
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: don't have World War three blow everybody up. But there's
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: the elk cunting thing that The thing that makes it
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: all the more exciting is like they're moving around. You
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: got to sneak up in on them. You're playing the
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: wind and then the sound they make when they're screaming
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: and you hear you're like, if you never knew what
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: that was, you would think there's demons in the woods.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, demons are like t rex right, it's crazy.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: Sound is so incredible. It's so incredible, and it's so
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: hard to do. It's like that to me is one
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: of the things that I love, like every year, because
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: everything goes away. It's so difficult. It's so difficult to
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: get in shape for it, so difficult to manage your
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: way into the mountains and to be in shape, to
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: be able to do it day after day, and then
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: to be able to pull off a shot you know,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: like you know, like you have this brief moment the
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: things sixty five yards away and you draw back, Yeah,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: trying to settle your pin.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: And you could have done all of that just to
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: like mess it up. Yeah, one little tiny Yeah.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: It happens all the time. But when you're successful, oh
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: my god, it's the greatest feeling of all time. And
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: then when you're eating it and then you're you're you know,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: you're at home and you're on the barbecue grilling these
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: elk steaks, Like, I can't wait to do this again. Yeah,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: it's so exciting. Yeah, and it's just but it's the
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: being out there. It's like a vitamin. It's like a
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: vitamin that you didn't know you needed.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: It's like your.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: Whole body's like, oh, this is so much better than
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: regular life.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: You can't be mentally unwell. No, it's like impossible, right, yeah, Yeah,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: it's amazing.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: You just feel so much better. The air is better,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like and you're more focused, you're not distracted,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: and you just feel alive.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: And then it's all so the majesty of nature, just
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: around these trees and mountains and you're catching all these
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: animals that are out there, and you see eagles flying
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: overhead like god.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: Like day three, you're like, I think I'm just gonna
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: move out here. I'm just gonna do this. And then
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: you go back to real life and you're like, oh, yeah.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: I think that all the time. I think that all
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: the time that I like to live in the mountains.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: My wife is not down with it, but I'd love it. Yeah.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: I might get a place somewhere one day in the mountains,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: just a retreat, just to be able to just disconnect,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: shut off for a while. I think that's probably a
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: good idea.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: I love it. I think I wonder though, now that
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: I have a kid, like, we're gonna have to start
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: thinking about, you know, school for him and stuff, and
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: I don't there's really not I don't know if I
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: don't you know, once we get there, we'll figure that out.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: But we're gonna probably have to get somewhere closer to
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: some people.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: Doesn't Bozeman have good schools?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: What are you near? I'm about an hour south of Missoula,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: So I fly to Missoula to go.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: Missoula has good schools, right.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, university, But I'd have to move closer to Missoula.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: And at that point, I'm like, why don't I just
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: you know, move to a city. I guess, you know,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: I think the move might be getting somewhere, you know,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: a little more populated, and then keeping like a cabin
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: in Montana like you were talking about, you know, and
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: then taking him out there whenever we can. That'd probably
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: be the thing.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: Do you have a place in your house where you record?
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: Do you have like a little recording studio or.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: Anything, Yeah, like a just for me to record demos,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: to send to people, to actually record, just to be
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: like this is something I've been working on, or you know,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of a setup like one of these and
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: a computer. But yeah, I do a lot of writing
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: up there. It's a great place to write songs.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: How do you write? Do you write on paper or
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: do you just start strumming and singing?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Different every time. Sometimes I'll have like a It'll it'll
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: be a melody, it'll be a guitar riff, it could
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: be like a lyrical idea, some sort of hook. You know.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: It comes in a lot of different ways. And then
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: sometimes I'll finish something on my own. Sometimes I'll do
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: a Nashville trip and sit with some other writers that
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: I like, and you know, we'll kind of like banging
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: out together. And that's the coolest part of the process. Man.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: There's something about making something out of absolutely nothing. It's
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: like addicting, you know, Yeah, really cool. Yeah, jokes are
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: similar in a way.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: I bet I've never really been a songwriter, but I'm guessing.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: So it's like creating something out of like out of
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: your mind. Yeah, all of a sudden it's a thing,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: and then you're performing it in front of.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: People and it's like I've heard you talk about this
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: and any good creative person talk about this but like
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: it comes to you. Yeah, you can't really take credit
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: for a good idea.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know exactly.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: I'll just be driving and be like, whoa, that's where'd
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: that come from? Like whatever that is, give me more effect? Yeah,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: I was talking to Michael Pollan about that yesterday. We
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: were talking about consciousness and we were talking about how
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: it just seems like you're not doing it. It's just
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: coming out of the ether and it's just like and
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: you just have to show up and receive it. And
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: if you show up enough and you know, pay homage
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: to the muse and sit there. You ever read War
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: of Art Stephen press having book. I got a box
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: of copies. I'll give you a copy out there. He
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: always gets well, I bought a box of copies. I
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: bought a bunch of them, and I used to hand
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: them out to comedians and artists when I was on
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: Was like, well, just listen to me.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: You gotta read it. It's a really small book. It's easy,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: but it's one of the best books ever about creativity,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: and it essentially just he tells you if you treat
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: it like there is a muse, like there's a god,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: a goddess that will give you ideas as long as
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: you pay respect to the muse. You have to show
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: up on time every day, sit there and do it,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: and some days you get nothing. But you just got
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: to keep showing up, keep showing up and trusting that
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: process and eventually like, oh my god, this idea is
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: so good.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did it come from? That makes sense?
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: Where did it come from?
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah? When I'm when I when I'm in a really
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: good spot sort of mentally, emotionally, spiritually, taking care of myself, sleeping,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: I get more of those.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: And I know there's this like mysticism around like people
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: who like know Anders Thompson or someone like that, who
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: just kind of spent a lot of time being fucked
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: up and they still get it. That never worked out
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: really well for me. I've tried it, trust me, it's great.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: With those guys, they're trying to get out of their
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: own head, you know, they're just trying to get blasted,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: so they could just like just release themselves from their
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: life and then just obliterated, just start writing. Yeah, and
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: then the Muse starts talking to them.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, but hemingway or there's a lot of guys like,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, had to be sort of a little messed
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: up Stephen King to do the thing, that's right.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. His book on writing is fantastic too. It's
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: it's called on Writing Stephen King.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: I read that one.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great, really good. He was obliterated, like most
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: of his great work, most of the great stuff out
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: of his fucking mind on drugs and alcohol and.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: And some of those guys like once they stop doing it,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: they lose the thing. And I don't name names, but
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: like him, there's some. There's some artists. I love that
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: they kind of got clean yep. And you're like, where'd
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: the thing go? Which is I'm fortunate you know. Yeah.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: It happens with comics too, does it. Some of them though,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: to get better, like David tel got way better when
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: he quit drinking. It's interesting. It doesn't always, it doesn't
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: have to be that, but for a lot of them
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: like that crutch, that whatever it is that connects them
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: to the creativity, once they eliminate that part and try
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: to keep try to stay alive, essentially, like Stephen King
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: was like killing himself, but his later work is just
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: not comparable.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: What's your process like writing jokes like how does that start?
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: For you? How it it is?
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: A it's there's some ideas that just come to me
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: out of the middle of nowhere, Like I'll be just
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: hanging out and then I have an idea, or I'm
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: driving in my car and I have an idea and
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: I just have to write it down. And then a
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: lot of it is just sitting down with a computer's
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: sitting down and like what am I writing about? I'm
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: writing about immigration, Okay, let me fucking and I write
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: an essay form so I don't try to write like
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: a stand up comedy joke, which I've tried before, but
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: that never works. But what does work is if I
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: lose myself in just ruminating on an idea and just
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: explore it from every different angle, and then I'll find
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: one paragraph. I might write two thousand words and i'll
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: find one paragraph. I'm like, that's it, and I'll take
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: that out and I'll put it in there, and I'll
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: try to introduce it on stage, and then I try
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: to figure out how to segue into it, and then
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: I try to figure out how to expand on it,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: and then I'll take that one thing and then I'll
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: stare at that one paragraph, and I'll go, what else, Like,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: what else? What's the other angle? Like what if I
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: was not like that? How do I feel about if
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: I was on the other side of that? What if
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: I'm the person that's going through this? And what if
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: I'm this and that? And then I'll try to just
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: try that and it's like I always describe as like
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: you're trying to you're trying to build a mountain one
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: layer of paint at a time, and it's a long
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: and brute and then sometimes it's not. Some jokes just
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: come to you in full form. Wow, Like the way
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: I wrote it is the way I say it, it's perfect.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: But that's you can't count on that either, right, And
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: again it's not I don't think they're mine. You know,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: they're just coming from somewhere. The key is just showing up.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: That's the key. The key is like sitting in front
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: of that fucking computer. Or some guys don't like a computer.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: They want a notepad, they want pen and paper they
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: like they like it better that way, and I get it.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: But for me, I can type, like I don't have
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: to look at the keys. I can touch type, So
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: for me, I can write a word out as fast
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: as I'm thinking it, which is way better for me
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: than writing down because I write slower than I type,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: and so I want to be able to get it
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: all out. I want it to me it's like it
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: doesn't and then I write it on paper eventually, But
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: when I first write it, I want to write it
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: down on a computer because I can capture it quicker. Yeah,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: and you can cut and paste and move things to
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: another file and start fresh and like explore it again.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: This last album I did, we try to really different
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: process than I've done before. Usually you go into a studio,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of money behind it, you
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: got a big producer as you know you're taking up
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: their time. You have everything ready to go. But on
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: this new one, we did everything. There's only two songs
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: I'd had already written, and eight out of the ten
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: songs we wrote either the day of or the night
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: before in the studio because I wanted to make something
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: as personal as possible, because you know, the subject matter
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: is stuff where I'm like, if this is gimmicky or overthought,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: it's not, then I'm sort of trying to like capitalize
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: on grief or things I'm talking about. So I want
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: to go in and just be as open as possible
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: and just get what we get and just try to,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: you know, tell the truth, which is you know, it's
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: the goal of country really, or it used to be.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, we would we would cut, and then
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: in the night after we'd cut, we'd sit and try
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: to write the song for the next day. If we
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: didn't get it, we'd showed up early next day and
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: try to write the song for that day. Was amazing process.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: We called it the pressure cooker because it was just
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: like you better get something because you're on the clock. Yeah, man,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: it was. It was. I don't I doubt I'll ever
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: do that again. But what a like cathartic, amazing process
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: like there's because usually you'll write a song, you'll have
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: a demo for it, some something where you just sit
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: down and play guitar into your phone or something so
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: you'll remember the melody, remember the chords, and you listen
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: to it so much that you get sick of it
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: before you've ever even cut it. And with this, there
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: was never a demo, There was never It was straight
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: from you know, heart brain tape like it was. It
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: was pretty special.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: I think there's something to be said for pressure like that,
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: where it forces you, it forces you to come up
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: with something.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the pressure cooker man, we just had to you know, Yeah,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: it was it was amazing.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, forces your synapses to fire. Yeah, there's something to
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: be said for that. Like there's a that's a thing
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: about comedy too, when you when you have a new bit,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: like part of the thing is like take that bit
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: when it's not really done yet and just throw it
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: out out there in front of a crowd and find
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: the beats, find where it is. And sometimes in front
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: of a crowd, as you're saying it, you'll have a
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: new idea.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: Like what the fuck is this? Like why are we doing?
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: And then that'll be the biggest part of the joke.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: Like everybody will laugh harder at that part than anything else.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: And it just comes to you because you're under pressure. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: there's something about there's something about forcing your brain to
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: do things, like forcing your like you just like you
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: like you have to do it, Like you can't just
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: dilly dally, no procrastination. It's right there right now, let's go.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, because you're you're directly connected to whatever
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: the thing is. Yeah, it's a it's like a flow state.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: And then there's stuff that just comes to me. Like
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: John Mellencamp told me he wrote, hurts so good in
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: the shower, Just in the shower. Come on, baby, you
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: make it hurt so good. And he's like, it was done.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: Best shower ever. Crazy. Sometimes love don't feel like find disarmments.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: It was cool. It was an interesting guy to talk to.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: Bad fucking dude just chain smokes. He's in his seventies
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: just smoking. I'm so happy he gets smoking here. Like,
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: you're not gonna quit that ever, He's like, this is
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: what he said. He goes find something you love and
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: let it kill you.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I'll doe that that one
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: kill me. That's a rough death, dude, it's a rough
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: death man. Yeah, I'm I've I've dealt with smoking for
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: some time, and I always promised my wife that I
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: would quit when we had our kid. And we're almost there.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: We're getting close.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: They do help. Yeah, it's it's it's different when I
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: have a drink though. It's Yeah, it's like I can't
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: do one without the other. To quit smoking, I'm gonna
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: have to quit drinking.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: Really, have to.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: Wow, I just can't imagine one without the other. It's
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: like a package deal for me. But I'm okay to
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: quit drinking at some point.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: You've quit, right, Yeah, I'd quit and started again.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, I'm back. Nice. I quit for like
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: eight months.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: I didn't miss it, but then when I had a
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: couple of glasses of wine with dinner, I was like, oh,
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: I like this, this is nice. Yeah, I kind of
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: missed it.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: How was that first sort of hangover you?
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't get hungover. I haven't gotten drunk. I haven't
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: gotten hungover since nice. Uh. And I've only been drinking again.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: And even when I do, it's rare, Like I don't
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: drink every night I go on stage. I might have
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: like a drink before I go on stage, or I'll
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: have a drink with dinner, or maybe a second glass
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: of wine, but that's it. I haven't been drunk.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: That's perfect. Yeah. The getting drunk is the problem.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: And the real problem with me was like I was
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: I own this comedy club, and I was with my
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: friends and they're all animals, and they're all just like,
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: let's do shots. And we'd go downstairs to Mitzi's bar
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: and we'd be doing shots together and we'd have so
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: much fucking fun, and then I'd wake up in the
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: morning to work out, like, oh fuck, and I was
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: just hurt, and so I'd be guzzling water and electrolytes
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: and I'd get in the cold plunge and just but
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: it was just this struggle to try to get back
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: to normal.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like, I hate that. I don't like that.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't feel that with a glass of wine.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: I have a glass of wine or two, and I
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: feel great the next day. It does not doesn't bother
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: me at all. As long as I drink enough water,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: take electrolytes, get a good night's sleep, I feel totally.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: Normal in the morning. It's good.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: Getting drunk is the problem.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: It is fun, though, it's the best. Getting drunk is something.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: Getting drunk with buddies, oh the best, the best.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite things is like going to a
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: bar in the middle of the day and meeting everyone
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: at the bar and just drinking, you know, even if
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: they're stranger or at the airport bar or whatever, and
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: just like getting to know people I would never have
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: talked to again with because why would we talk, right,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: I love that. But again, I'm forty two now and
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: the hangovers are starting to to really smart, you know,
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: So it's not it's not really worth the price of
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: admission anymore.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: It's it's not worth it when you get aware of
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: your body, especially if you're a person like you know,
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: I work out all the time and I'm fifty eight now,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: So as you get older, it's like most people at
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: fifty eight are half dead. They're kind of falling apart.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: And I've managed to stay healthy and fit, and I
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: don't want to fuck that up just for booze. But
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: you know, like I said, it's hard when you're with
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: buddies and they want to do shots. Like Shane Gillis
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: is the worst. He's the devil. He's the devil.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: He's the devil. He's like, come on, we're doing shots. Fuck,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: how can you not get drunk with that guy? He's
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: like the most fun.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: Ever, and you're having so much fun when you're drinking
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: with him, it is just like your face is red,
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: you can't breathe. Everyone's laughing, You're fucking crying. You're crying laughing,
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: and it's just like you call each other next day,
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: like how you feel oh my god, I'm dead. Like
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of times where we went out drinking
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: and we have a gym here, and you know, we'd
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: have these comedian workouts the next day, Like, dude, I
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: can't make him like, come on, pussy, you maybe drink
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: last night. But he's just he's the life of the
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: fucking party man, And it's just it's fun, but it's
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: it just it comes at a cost. Yeah, that cost
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: is rough.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: Man, especially with the kid now and him being is
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: it's just nothing makes you feel like a bigger piece
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: of shit and being hung over in front of your baby,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: right and you're just like, sorry, dude, right, I'm sorry, Right,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: your kids want to play. Just sit here.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Yeah, you can mitigate a lot of
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: that stuff though. Glued to ione is a really good
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: way to mitigate a lot of it. Glued to thione
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: actually helps your body process alcohol way quicker. So there's
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of strategies if you're a drunk. Yeah, liposomal
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: glue to ione and high doses is really good. Electrolytes
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: are huge. Like a lot of the hangover feeling, there's
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: two things that are going on. One is your That's
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: why they say, like hair of the that bit you,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: because you're actually craving more alcohol. That's why people like
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: Bloody Mary's the day after they're they're hungover. That's not
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: a great strategy, but it really does do a little something.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: But electrode's are huge because another part of it is
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: you're just dehydrated, like your brain is dried out to
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: dried out sponge because you're out getting hammered the night before. Yeah,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: so you have to drink a lot of water, drink
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of A buddy of mine drank with the
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: Jean Claude van Dam once and he said it was nuts.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: He goes, He's so disciplined. He said.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: The dude had a.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: Gallon of water with him, like a jug of water,
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: and with every shot he would take, he would fucking
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: chug water. And he just was just super concerned with
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: keeping his body hydrated while.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: He was boozing.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: Go do what you gotta do, man, I was like,
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: credit to him, Yeah, well that's the way to go,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: he goes. I never saw anybody do that before. I'm like, well,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: look at the guy. Yeah, it kind of makes sense. Yeah,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: Have you interviewed him in here? No, No, that'd be
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: a good one.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: That'd be fun. He's kind. He keeps talking about having
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: a fight and coming back and probably.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: You're like, seventy yeah, don't do that.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: I think he's just a little nuts. He's also he's
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: famously indulged in the Colombian marching powder, and I think,
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: you know, sometimes guys get ideas, sure they're not really tenable.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: Thank god. I never had the taste for that.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: I never even tried it.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: Have you never? Nope, definitely done it. But it's just, yeah,
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: I have friends that they can't have a drink without
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: one to go get a bag. And I'm like, oh,
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: and that those guys have to get sober like Stone
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: called a sober because they'll disappear.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: Well, they'll also die today because you can get a
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: bad bag and it's got a fentanyl in it.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't get it. I just never it's
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: like five minutes of feeling good for like three days
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: of feeling terrible. It's not it doesn't pencil out for me.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: I got lucky that when I was a kid in
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: high school, I had a friend and his cousin got
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: a dick to coke and I watched what happened to him.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: He was selling it too, and I watched him completely
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: fall apart. It was like it was like he had
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: been haunted, like something had taken over his body on
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: a parasite. He lost all his weight, he got super pale,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: he got real sketchy and weird, and you're just hang
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: out in his apartment and they would just watch TV
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: and do coke all day.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: It was no, it was horrible. It's dark.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: And I was always terrified of doing anything that would
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: turn me into a loser. That was my number one
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: fear when I was a kid. I don't want to
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: be a loser. Yeah, And so like I'm like, okay,
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: stay away from drugs because that that'll turn you into
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: a loser.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Yeah. It's sort of like there's some sort
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: of gift in like having some ambition, oh like wanting
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: to be somebody. Yeah, you know, they can come with
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: h there's pros and cons to that. But one of
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: the big pros is like anytime anything would get a
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: little too dark and I realized I was losing my
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: grasp on like what I was after, you know, professionally
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: or whatever, would I would of course correct pretty quick.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you don't have a thing, then it's
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: just about whatever is fun. And what's fun is continuing
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: to chase whatever high or whatever drunk or whatever whatever
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: it is that your your demons are. That's rough.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: You've seen a lot of.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: People lose their life that way. I mean they lose
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: their direction, they lose everything.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: It's just substances can be fun, but they can take
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: over and they could become your whole fucking life.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not good.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm so happy I avoided coke. I avoid,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: but I am interested. When I heard Hunter Thompson, not
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: Hunter Thompson, Hunter Biden, excuse me, talk about smoking crack.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: He did this interview.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: We was talking about how amazing smoking crack, and I
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: was like, WHOA, maybe I could try once. I've never
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: heard anybody like try it once though.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: Famous last words, man, right, no one's done it once.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: I mean everybody who tries it gets hooked. It seems
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: like that's a problem. Must be pretty awesome.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: It's gotta be got.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: And he said, like it's way better than cocaine. Like
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: you said, like the guy who's interviewing him, what's the
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: guy's name again? And Andrew Callahan when he was interviewing him.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: He's like, what is the difference, And he explained, like
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: the delivery method, like how it affects you so much different,
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: Like the difference between like a zen pouch and a cigarette.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: Cigarette hits you way different than cigarettes like instantly, Like yeah,
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: apparently that's what Coke's like smoking it. It was Richard
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: Pryor too. I mean, he was essentially smoking crack. They
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: didn't call it crack back then. They call it freebasing. Right,
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: Heroin, too, is another one. It's like those are the
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: two big ones. They tell you when you're like, if
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: you do this once, you're done your whole life soever.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah. I've known people that have
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: tried heroin once and be like, I can't do this again.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: It was too awesome.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I do that with like painkillers and stuff,
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: you know, I've been prescribed and I'm like, ah, yeah,
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: I had a knee operation to do that. I have
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: multiple knee operations, but the first one I had was
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: in the nineties. And they give me a morphine drip,
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: and they give you a button and you could press
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: the button to get more morphine. When you needed it.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I hammered that button. I was lying
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: in this bed and my knee had just been caught
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: open like a fish, and there's screws in there, and
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: my acl been reconstructed, and I was on this perpetual
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: motion machine. So the idea is to keep your knee
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: from going stiff. You're on this thing that straightens your
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: leg out and brings it back and straight some lying
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: in this bed my leg and I'm hammering that button.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: I was so happy. I was like, I get it now,
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: I get it. But that was only once, luckily, and
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: they didn't give me. They gave me some pain killers afterwards.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: I think they gave me percocets, but they were so bad.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: I took whatever the dose was, and it was I
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: only did it once. It was so bad. I felt
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: so dumb, so dull, and so stupid. I'd like, I'd
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: rather be in pain. So I sold all my pills
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: to this dude at the pool hall. I gave him
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: my pills. I'm my tears. You can buy these from me.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: One of my buddies was telling me he's in the
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: military and they would carry these morphine lollipops in case
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: they ever got shot and you just pull it out
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: in the moment you start sucking on it. It's just
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: like a morphine high. And I was like, I kind
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: of want to get those to fly with because wouldn't
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: that be awesome? Like if the plane's going down, you
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: start sucking on that thing.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: Just put on the headphones, do do dupe, don't do.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: Amazing, dude. Anytime I fly over the ocean, I'm just like,
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: I freak out. I don't like the I don't like
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: the Actually, no I fent no lollipop. Oh so maybe
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: that's what it was Either way, though, wouldn't that be
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's like biggest fear Number one is plane
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: going down because you have like five minutes to think
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: about it and you're hearing like everyone's screaming. Everyone knows
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: they're going to die too, and you're stuck in this
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: tube with a bunch of strangers knowing they're going to
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: die for five minutes. I mean, that is hell on
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: earth to men imagine anything works.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: That's a rough one. I think getting eaten by a
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: bear might be worse because there's no one around you.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: I wonder though, if the bear thing, if you're in
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: so much shock, Like, are you feeling it?
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: I wonder think so, especially if they start legs first,
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: because the thing about bears is they don't kill you,
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: they just start eating you. Oh my god, like a
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: salmon kill a salmon. They just hold it down, pull
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: chunks off of it. Apparently that movie Grizzly Man, the
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: audio was so bad that Werner Herzog told the lady
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: to delete it and burn it because they had a cot.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: The late the guy's Timothy Treadwell, his girlfriend's ex girlfriend
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: got hold of the camera, so the camera apparently the
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: lens cover was on but the camera was running.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: Oh right, Yeah, I've seen that. He listens to it
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: in the documentary.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: It's like, burn this, don't let anyone listen?
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: Would you listen? Give him the chuck? Yeah, everybody listening,
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: And then I'd hate myself for.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: Having there's a fake version of it online.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: I've heard that. Yeah, it's not real, though.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: It's pretty obvious it's fake, but people believe it's thrue.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: But it goes on for five minutes. Five minutes is
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: a long time, like think of around an mma round.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: It's five minutes.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: O my god, and all that time you're just getting
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: chunks pulled out of your body.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: Bro. Have you ever seen it grazily while you're hunting?
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Once really yeah, in Alberta. Yeah, it was very
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: scary and it wasn't a big one. It was like
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: a six foot bear. But it looked at me so
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: different than any other animal, Like I've seen a lot
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: of black bear, and black bear look at you like this, like.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: What are you doing right?
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: They look at you sideways and they're like, I want
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: to get out of here. Grazzily looks at you like this,
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: oh like locks on you. Yeah, like am I going
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: to eat you? And I was with my friend Jen,
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: she's a guide up there. Jen and John they run
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: a hunting outfit up in Alberta and they as soon
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: as like she saw it, she screamed.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 5: She screamed like get the fuck out of here, racks
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 5: her shotgun, cracks a stick against the tree to scare
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 5: it off, and then we immediately bailed, like let's get
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 5: the fuck out of here.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never seen one. Don't want to.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: They see big ones up there sometimes. And John, her husband,
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: he sprayed on he was in a tree stand and
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: he sprayed it with uh pepper spray and the thing
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: didn't even react. He's like, like, you think you're gonna
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: oh bear spray, I'm saying, and it.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: Was like, fuck you.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like this fucking nine foot bear, this
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: huge wild dog. You know, this this fucking immense, super
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: powerful thing that can run forty five miles an hour.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: Oh man, Apex, fuck that man.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: They're They're terrifying Montana.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: It's got a.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: Ton of them.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's one thing I didn't have in Ohio is
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: like the fear of getting eaten by something when you're
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: out in the woods it's dark and you're walking through
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: the first time that that bohun I was telling you about.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: I you know, you bring a side arm when all
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: you have is a bow in case you do see
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: some mountain lion or something grizzly bear. And my buddy
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: was like, what do you got on you? And I
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: was like, nine millimeter. He goes, well, if you see one,
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: shoot yourself. Yeah, you got to bring a forty five.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: I guess there's a there's a ten milimeter with a
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: special round you can take, but yeah, nine milimeter bounce off.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're gonna hurt him. I mean you've
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: hit him in the face. Maybe it'll do something, but
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: you're not even gonna get through that skull.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: Probably now they say it won't. It will literally bounce
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: off its skull.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, that's so crazy. Cam hunts them with a bow,
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: hunts grizzly bears. Yeah, he's killed a few grizzlies. Yeah.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: Does he hunt out of a tree? How do you
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: do that on the ground?
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: No, dude, why spotting stock.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good on that. Yeah.
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: He's out of his fucking mind and his attitude is, well,
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: if this is how I go, this is how I go,
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: I go doing what I love. He's got some crazy pictures.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: See if we find some pictures of Cam with a
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: grizzly bears.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: Got one.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: We killed this massive one and he's holding up its
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: paw and its paw is like as big as my torso.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: It's fucking huge.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: There's such a some guy recently. I think he killed
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: the biggest bear that's ever been killed.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: I sent it to Kim damn.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that paw. The clause, the clause on
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: that thing.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a photo of him with the bear
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: on the ground. Click on that. The size of that fucking.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: Thing Man, do you know what state he's hunting?
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: That was in Alaska?
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: That's the only state you can Yeah.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: It's illegal in the lower forty eight for whatever reason,
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: they it probably shouldn't be in like Wyoming and Montana.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: It's gotten to the.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: Place where they really probably shouldn't.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's just not enough of them other than in Alaska,
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: I would imagine.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: Um, I mean I don't think so. I think the
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: real problem is once they're not listed, it's very difficult
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: to get them on a list, you know, to get
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: tags allocated for them. There's the video of him shooting it. Damn,
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: look the size of that fucking thing.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: Man, I'm saying, what if it's just right there, it
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: gets pissed off.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: It can Well, there's a guy right behind him with
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: a gun. There's a guy right behind him with a rifle,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: which is also weird. Like anytime you're bow hunting and
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: a guy has to have a rifle, Yeah, I think
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: you should probably just use a rifle.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: That's my perspective. Just wait a few months.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if I ever wanted to go Grizzly hunting, I
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: would definitely bring a rifle. I just don't see myself
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: doing that, But I know a lot of my friends have,
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: you know, and they have. You have to kill a
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: certain number of them just to keep the populations of
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: the moose and the elk and everything else in check,
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: because otherwise there's nothing going to stop them. And then
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: you have a situation like like you have a Montana
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: or like you have in Wyoming, where there's a lot
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: of interactions with people, people wind up dying and there's
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: no fear because in Alaska they're a little sketched out
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: about people because people hunt them, right, And that's the
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: better relationship, right, the relationship with they have zero fear
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: of people.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: That's not good.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: And that that is Montana, and that is Wyoming, and
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: that is Idaho. Look at that guy, so this is
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: is this the largest one? Sixteen hundred is the second
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: biggest ever taken by one hundred. It's sixteen hundred pounds.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: Look at the fucking size of that.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: Thing, dude. That's terrifying.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good lord, that is immense.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: Makes me think, have you seen these reports of bigfoot
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 3: being seen in Ohio?
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a bunch.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 3: I've kind of think of someone fucking with people, obviously,
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 3: but maybe not. I don't know what the what are
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 3: they seeing?
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: What?
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: There's their bears, the bears in Ohio, I.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: Guess there are, and they're black bears in Ohio. And
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: they do walk upright sometimes.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: Probably in a suit.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: It's probably meth.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: Various sizes I've seen up to like eleven down to
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 3: eight feet.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're just guessing. You don't know how big
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: a thing is.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: You have a fucking tape measure. Excuse me, mister bigot.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: Stand still for a moment here, Okay, stand up straight,
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: put this under your heel.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: I used to wish so bad Bigfoot was real.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, I wish so bad. Dude the show last night
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: who told me his dad was one of the people
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: that filmed the famous Patterson Gilge. Yeah, so his dad
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: was that guy.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: I feel like we know now that it can't be
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: real because of how many trail cameras there are in
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: the world, Like we would have seen him a few times.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: I've never met a hunter that's seen one now, including
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: guys that are in the Pacific Northwest all the time,
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: although I did. I did a show back in the
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: day with my friend Duncan where we went looking for Bigfoot.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: We went to the places where bigfoots normally.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 3: A person.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: A person is aspod cost obviously. I mean no pictures.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, if there's a whole bunch of them, it's
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: probably someone fucking around March sixth, seventh, ninth, and tenth. Wow,
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: all different people.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, huh boy. I hope it's real. It would be awesome.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: That's what I'd also be like. Maybe it's just a
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: group of friends that are high. I'm like, you know,
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 3: we're gonna do every night for the.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: Next fucking week.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: We're all gonna call this fucking number and see what happened.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: Or we're gonna run around the woods.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: But that's a good way to get shot.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: Like some crazy dude who's like, I'm gonna prove Bigfoot's real,
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: Oh for sure, and he just fucking blasts you.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: Don't do it during hunting season. Yeah, big mistake. I
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: think it used to be a real thing. That's what
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: I think. Bigfoot. Yeah you thought it? You think it
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: was actually here at some point? Yeah? Yeah.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: Because there's too many Native American words for it. The
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: Native Americans. I think we looked this up, didn't they.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: They have dozens of names that different tribes have the
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: same thing. A big hairy wild man, that lives in
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: the woods. I think it was a Gigantopithecus. I think
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: at one point in time it was a real creature.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: If they've found any bones or anything.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Gigantopithicus bombs. But they've only found him in Asia.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: They never found him in North America. But when the
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: bearing Land Bridge was attached, a lot of animals came
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: across from Asia and made their way into North America
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: through Alaska and down through the Pacific Northwest. It's and
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of people have seen him in Alaska. Alaska
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: is like a hotbed for sightings too, I think. But
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: I think those people are cracked out. I think that's
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: probably bears. But I think the Native American stories, I
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: think it's a thousands and thousands of years old thing.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: I think way back in the day, Like I was
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: watching this is this guy named Michael Button. He's been
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: on the podcast before, and he's a a historian who's
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: really focuses on ancient civilizations, and he was doing this
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: whole video on YouTube about how little is left over,
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: like how rare it is to make a fossil. I
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: think about how the dinosaurs were around for literally like
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of years, and yet we only have
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: like thousands of fossils, and what are the what's the
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: possibility of a f existing from a civilization, like fossilized
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: human being from a civilization two hundred thousand years ago,
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: It's almost none. Most things never become a fossil. It
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: has to be like the perfect conditions to create a fossil.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: And so we don't really know what animals did or
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: didn't live here other than fossilized ones. And that's a
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: tiny fraction what you find, okay, And so if there
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: was some sort of big hairy thing that lived here,
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: because we know there was humans that were living in
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: North America. Now we know that they were here at
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: least as far back as twenty two thousand years because
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: of White Sands, New Mexico. They found footprints and then
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: they do carbon testing on the seeds and the different
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: organic matter that's in those footprints, and they get a
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: carbon date of like around twenty two thousand years, which
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: is pretty crazy because they used to think it was
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: like thirteen thousand years ago, and now they've pushed that
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: back at least another nine years, and they think it's
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: probably these weren't the first, there's probably people there even
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: further than that. So if humans were here, let's say
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: they were here fifty thousand years ago, that puts it
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: in the timeline where Giangantopithecus could have been alive, because
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: I think the fossils that they found of Gigantopithecus are
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand years old, which is just fossils, right,
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: like you never know, and that they didn't find that
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: until the nineteen twenties or thirties. They found teeth in
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: an apothecary shop in China, and this guy was there,
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: was an anthropologist, like, what where'd you get this? Because
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: they were a primate teeth, but they were fucking huge.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: And so then they took them to the place and
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: they found jawbones and a few other pieces and this thing.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: They've determined because of the shape of the jawbone that
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: it was bipedal, so it stood up on two legs
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: and it was like eight to ten feet tall. It
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: was a giant, giant primate that was in the orangutang species. Wow,
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: so that could be Bigfoot, that could be what these
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: people saw. Yeah, absolutely, so it probably existed in North
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: America at one point in time. But around the time
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: of the Younger Driest impact theory, which is about eleven
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: eight hundred years ago, somewhere around sixty five percent of
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: all North American megafauna was eliminated, all the wooly mammoths,
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: giant sloths, African American lion. We had a lion that
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: was bigger than the African lion that was in North America.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: That Younger Driest thing you're talking about, that's a comment
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: hitting there.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Yeah, that's what ended the Ice Age, and
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: that's what created the Great Lakes and that's what melted
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: all the ice that was that covered most of North
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: America back then during the Ice Age.
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 1: And are a lot of scientists agreeing that that's probably
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 1: what happened.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: Well, there's definitely debate, but there's a large group of
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: legitimate scientists that are one hundred percent convinced that we
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: were hit. It's a matter of what impact did that
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: have and was that responsible because there's a berserker theory.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: The berserker theory is that humans just killed off everything
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: we got so good at hunting. But the problem with
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: that theory is back then, there's not even evidence that
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 2: they had bowen aar yet like.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: They wouldn't be that good at it.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, especially like that the American lion, and
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: like mammoths and the giant sloths, and there's so much
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: shit that we don't even know how many people were
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: here back then. So it's and it's this is like
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: ice age people like with stone tip spears.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: Ye did they kill these things?
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: All of them?
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: They killed all of them right there.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: Weren't even riding horses, they were just on foot, Like,
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's much more likely that they all
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: were wiped out by this fucking comment. And if that's
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 2: the case, maybe it wiped out Bigfoot two.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: Well that's my favorite one out of all of the
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: Like me, what's the best one.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: It's just it would be a crazy thing to see.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: Have you ever heard the recordings that these guys made
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: that they said were sasquatch recordings. I think they call
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: them samurai recordings because it literally sounds like almost like
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: they're speaking Japanese. It sounds so fake. It sounds so fake.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 2: But these people are there's groups of people out there
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: that you'll tell them this is fake, and they want
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: to fight you really, Oh, they're they're all in they're
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: so committed to bigfoot. The guys that we met when
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: Duncan and I went bigfoot hunting, they're so possessed by it.
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 1: Where you go the.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest, like it was like right outside of Seattle, Ok. There,
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 2: I met this lady that was really convincing. She said
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: that she saw this thing. She's like, why is there
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: a gorilla in the woods, And she's like, oh my god,
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: it's bigfoot, and like she didn't seem kooky at all.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: But I think what she saw was a bear and
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: a bear standing like black bears standing up on their
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: two legs and walk all the time, especially if they
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: have a hurt paw, they'll walk on two legs.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 2: I think she probably saw it. But Pacific Northwest is
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: so crazy, because I'm sure.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: You've been up there, right, Yeah.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: The woods are so dense that it's like a box
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: of Q tips. That's how I describe, right, Like you
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: can't hardly see anything. So if you're seeing some tall
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: thing moved between trees just for a few steps, that
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: might be the only thing you see, right, and your
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 2: head just starts spinning and you start creating this Yeah,
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: this imagine all right there here's the here's the recordings
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: right there, right right. I don't know where we got
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: protection for sure. So this guy's talking, oh my god,
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 2: it's Bigfoot.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: It sounds so fake. I don't buy that for a second,
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: not a second.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, people the Bigfoot dorks like that show Finding Bigfoot.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: I had that dude what's his name, Bobo, not the
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: dude's name, We had him on and I told him
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: I thought the Patterson footage is bullshit.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: He's like no, he's like so upset. It looks so fake,
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: looks like a guy in a fucking gorilla suit.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: And then the dude that they think that was wearing
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: the suit, what is his name again? I forgot the
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: guy's name. But the dude who they think was wearing
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: the suit, he looked like Bigfoot, Like he walked like him.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: There's like he was a big old cowboy, big old
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: fucking tall ass cowboy, and he he had a walk
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: like a fucking gorilla. Roger Patterson, well, Roger Patterson was
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: a guy that filmed it.
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 3: Right, Patterson Gimlin footage.
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, right.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 3: I thought one of them was the one in the
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 3: suit and the other one filmed it.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: Who was mistaken. But there's a side by side of
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: the actual stupid video that they're proclaiming to be Bigfoot,
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 2: and then this guy walking and I think it was
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 2: a different guy. I forget his name, but it looks
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's him.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: Have you ever had a flat earther on here?
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 2: No, it's sort of some people that like want to
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: dabble in it. Shut the fuck up.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: That's the craziest one.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 2: I don't want to have that conversation with people, and people,
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: you know, because you lose because the Earth is listen,
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 2: everything else is round. Why would this place be flat?
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: Why would want to be lying?
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: That's crazy?
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 2: Why would why would the people that get up in
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: the fucking the space station be lying? We know its circles,
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: it spins around.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have pictures.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah we have satellites. They think all the satellite images
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: of Earth are fake. They think everything is fake. I
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: think a lot of that's schizophren a sure, and then
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of it is like, somehow or another, it's biblical.
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: It's people believe that it's that we're trying trying to
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: hide it from us because they don't want us to
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: know that God is real.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, like the firmament and all the stuff that the
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 1: Bible says is above us.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what the Bible doesn't say, doesn't
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: say the Earth is flat, right, never never talks about
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: it being flat, like they had figured out the Earth
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 2: was round thousands of years ago. Like snipers have to
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: calculate the curve cture of the Earth right when they're
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 2: making shots.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's too many things against it, like the fact
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 1: that we've seen it, yeah is the biggest one. We
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 1: know exactly what it looks like.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: I had Roger Avery on the other day, the director
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 2: is really interesting guy, and he went down a bunch
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: of maybe too many flat Earth rabbit holes, and he
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: was like, well, you know, pilots don't have to adjust
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: for the curve of the Earth. And then I talked
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: to a friend of mine as a pilot. He goes,
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: you know why autopilot He was the fucking it keeps
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: you at an altitude Like.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 1: That makes sense? Could you always you know, you're the
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: same ye distance from the Earth, so that would make
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: sense that you would go on the curve?
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fucking der it's just that being something that
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: people would What's really interesting is there's this one guy
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: who takes people up to Antarctica to prove to them
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: that the Earth is round, and like like this idea
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 2: that there's a so he like takes and there's one
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: guy and he flew him out there. He's like, I
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: can't believe I believe this.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: He spends money, He spends his own money. He's taking
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: these guys up there for free educating.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: How does he prove it?
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 2: That flies them up there and shows them you actually
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: can fly over In article like there's you just don't.
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: They don't want you flying over there because if you crash,
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: no one's gonna come get you. You know you're dead, right,
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: It's like, but people do fly over it. The idea
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: that you can't is stupid.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: There's no secret World War two base, there's no wall there.
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: They're probably doing some weird experiments and ship up there,
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: though I do think that's true. Like there's there's some
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: people that have some pretty convincing stories of direct energy
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 2: weapons and things that they're developing up there. And there's
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: a neutrino detector that they have up there that a
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: lot of people think does a lot more than that.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: They think it might actually be able to cause earthquakes
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: and affect the weather, and it's a it's a.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: Weird rabbit hole to go down.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: Sure, but I'm sure the government's doing some slippery shit
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 2: that we don't know about up there.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, it's so weird, like in this time that
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: we have all the information where like nobody trusts the
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 1: government anymore? Has it? Has it always been like that?
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: Like it there's been a little bit that nobody trust
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: the government, But now there's reason to not trust them
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: because we've seen what they've done with real events like
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: the Ebstein files and a lot of other stuff where
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: you're like JFK, where you're like, why don't you just
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: fucking tell us what you know? In the interest of
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 2: national security, some things must be reducted, right, there's a
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: reason to not trust them.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get like growing up, you see, like older
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 1: guys always they didn't trust the government. The world's going
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 1: to shit all this stuff, And I'm like, am I
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: just getting old? Or is this happening to everyone? Are
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: we all doing this now?
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: I think as you get older, you also taken enough
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: information that you know that they're not being straight with
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 2: you about anything, right, I mean, this is that has
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 2: always been my argument about the moon landing, Like you
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: think that they're gonna not lie about this one thing
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: when they've lied about everything else, including how we got
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: into Vietnam, Kennedy's assassination, fill in the blanks.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 1: Everything in the nineteen sixties they lied about for sure,
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 1: because they could. There was no exactly you know, they
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 1: controlled all the information.
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well that's what's interesting about today, Like that's
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 2: why there's less trust in the government than ever because
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: we have more access to information, so there's more reason
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: to not trust them. Yeah, you know, it's like it's
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: a squirrely.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: Time, right, Yeah, that's why I like living in Montana
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: and it all goes down humpy way far.
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 2: Have we never seen anything in the sky, you say, like,
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 2: what the fuck is that? You see anything? Weird?
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: Nothing? Crazy?
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 1: When we did decide to move there, my wife and
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: I had taken a little bit of mushrooms and the
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 1: sky put on a little performance for us. Oh that's
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 1: that was part of the like I think we're supposed
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 1: to move here? Oh really? Yeah? Oh wow, Yeah it
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: was uh, you know, it was a little induced, but
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 1: yeah it was. And we both saw it, and we
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 1: were with people who didn't see it that were also
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 1: on mushrooms.
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: So interesting. So it was a show just for you guys.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 1: That's what it felt like. Yeah, man, we both were
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: like are you We were making sure it was the
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 1: same thing, and our friends were like, what are you
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: talking about?
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: Did they take the same dose?
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I think that was They weren't supposed to
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: go there, that's right, Maybe it's a fate thing. Yeah.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: We felt very spiritually connected to it after that.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 2: It's a good place to be spiritually connected to. It
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 2: feels like you're supposed to be spiritually connected to it
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 2: because it's so it's one of the last places, like
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: Wyoming's like that as well. It's one of the last
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 2: places where it's not tainted, even though there's cities there,
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 2: it's settled. It's like it's so much more wild than
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: it is tame that you still get this feeling of
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 2: like humble. Yeah, you get you get humbled by just
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 2: the vast spectacular nature of it.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's almost like we feel like nature is the
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 1: novelty these days, and it's like, no, man, that everything
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 1: that we messed up and put a bunch of concrete
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: on should be the novelty. The nature is the actual thing.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 1: That's the way we're supposed to be, you know, and
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 1: we've all kind of like flipped that in our head.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: And obviously I'm not I have the luxury to be
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 1: able to live out in a place like that. But
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 1: the more I live there there, I feel like this
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 1: is how I was meant to live, you know, me personally,
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 1: I can't talk for anyone else, but I'm just in
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 1: a way better place mentally and otherwise.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's this guy who lives in the Arctic, like
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 2: above the Arctic Circle or near the Arctic Circle. They
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: filmed him this vice documentary called Heino's Great Adventure, And
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: this guy's been living there since like the nineteen seventies.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: He moved up there and he's got a log cabin
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 2: and he just lives up there. All he does is
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 2: hunts caribou and goes fishing, and he's a really smart guy.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: And this like.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: Nerdy reporter Glasses goes up and hangs out with this
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 2: guy for a few days, and you know, the guy
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: was really like really compelling in the way he was
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 2: describing I think this is how people are supposed to live. Like,
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 2: I'm so much more calm and at peace. It seems
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 2: natural and normal, like this is how you're supposed to live.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: And all he does is just like hunting fish, and
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: he gets like some supplies dropped off to him, like
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 2: cant the goods and ship baking soda or whatever. But
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 2: most of his life is just living off of the land.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 1: The proof's in the pudding Man. When I'm when I'm
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: when I'm in a city for a long time and
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 1: I'm on my phone, I'm looking at Instagram and all
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 1: that stuff, it takes a week before I feel insane,
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 1: like completely crazy. And if I just put that stuff
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 1: away and go outside, even in a city, Like if
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 1: I just put that stuff down for a little bit
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 1: and go outside and connect with the person, I feel,
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 1: you know, infinitely better.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 1: And if you just look at you know, the stuff
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 1: on your phone and you're you're so sucked into that
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 1: you would believe this is the world is a shitty place.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 1: But then if you don't look at that and you
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 1: go outside and you live your real life, it doesn't
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 1: take long before everything feels good again. Yeah, Like you
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 1: have hope again. You you know, you're you're you're meeting
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 1: your neighbors or going to the grocery store or going
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 1: to the post office, Like everything feels pretty good out there.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 1: It's just your phone telling you that this place is terrible.
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the This is the big bridge to crazy,
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 2: much more than cities. Is these fucking things. Oh yeah,
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: they're the bridge too crazy.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 1: And like that's what AI is learning from. It's only
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 1: learning from all this terrible information we're putting online. So
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: and it's excelling. It can't learn from the real world.
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: It can't go to the grocery store and see that
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 1: everyone's actually pretty good for the most part. Right, ninety
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: nine percent of what you do out in your real
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 1: life is fine, right, you know, But it's only going
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 1: to see the worst of all of us and then
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 1: and then show us that even more, show that back
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 1: to us, because that's all it knows. It's really scary
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 1: to me, man, it is scary.
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 2: And it's never going to really appreciate a great song.
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 2: It's never going to really appreciate art. It's not going
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 2: to appreciate love or community or friendship or any of
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 2: those things. No, it's not going to appreciate the feeling
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 2: that you have you can just call your neighbor up
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 2: and go over his house and shoot five hundred yards
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 2: in his backyard.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 1: Exactly what I mean.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 2: It's not going to get that right. It's not going
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 2: to get how cool that is that that guy's seventy
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: years old he hits a deer. He's like, rushes it off.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: Seventy seventy years old hitting a deer. You're supposed to
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 2: be dead as fucked.
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 1: No, man, not I am. He's made it looks like
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 1: John Wayne. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 2: I and you we can appreciate that. Yeah, that fucking
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 2: AI doesn't give a shit about that. They gotta get
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 2: off the motorcycle. You shouldn't be on the motorcycle, Dave.
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And dude, dude, you're talking about music. It can
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 1: make good songs.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 1: I've heard you play someone here and I my friends
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 1: will just you know, whatever apps they have. I don't
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 1: really know all the new apps, but they'll just give
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 1: it a prompt and the song is incredible. It does
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 1: it in ten seconds. It's spooky. It's really weird, man.
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 2: But it's only doing it derivatively, like it's only taking
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 2: the songs that other people have written and just making
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: sort of a some sort of a conglomeration of them
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 2: spitting it out, or it's redoing like an old hip
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 2: hop song in like a blues style, or you know,
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that's ninety nine percent of what humans do too, right,
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 1: you know, it is alvative anyway, I know, but at.
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 2: Least it's a person, yeah, like some something to me about.
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 2: Even if it's derivative, it's if it's good, if it's catchy.
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 2: At least I know a dude and his friends did that. Yeah,
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you can get behind a person as an artist,
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 1: like their stuff until they aren't underground anymore. You know.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the silliness. That is so silly, isn't it.
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 2: Like if you really start to take off, someone's gonna
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: eventually go.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: Fuck that guy.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 2: I knew that guy when he was just fucking just
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: starting out. He was pretty good and song was good,
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 2: and then he and then he made it.
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be controversial, but the first Coldplay album is
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 1: still amazing, you know. But they got so huge that
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 1: he hates Coldplay now and you're like, but they they
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 1: are really good.
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  Speaker 2: I like Coldplay, but like music, they're like.
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  Speaker 1: They can't do Coldplay because they're they're doing stadiums and
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 1: and your mom likes them now.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was one of the things that people
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 2: didn't like about Nickelback, because it Nickelback was almost like
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 2: the first AI you know what I mean, like that
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 2: rock star song that was like that was like an
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 2: AI version of like a lot of like like Cypress
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 2: Hill had a rock star song that was like but
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 2: Cypress Hills sounds so much more general, like genuine, whereas
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 2: the Nickelback one is like almost like these guys are
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 2: just too AI.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: It's almost like it was is the beginning of sort
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 1: of like auto tune and all that stuff, but auto
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 1: like really good autotune that you couldn't tell, not like
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 1: the autotune that's in Rapper, you know, their autotune on purpose.
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  Speaker 1: It was like everything's so perfect mm hm, and it
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 1: almost doesn't sound like humans playing music.
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  Speaker 2: Right in the subject matters like I've heard all this
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 2: stuff before.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the problem right down the middle. Yep, Yeah,
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 4: it was AI.
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  Speaker 2: Nickelback was the first AI music. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: People are weird with their taste and they want you
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 2: to like what they like. That's what's really weird, Like
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 2: you have to like what they like, yeah, oh they
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 2: get mad at you.
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, what are you gonna do?
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, man, I really enjoyed talking to It's a
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 2: lot of fun.
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 2: I love your fucking show. I can't wait to watch
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 2: Marshalls because I love you and Yellowstone. It's a fucking
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 2: great show. I'm really bummed out to your wife's dead
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 2: now though.
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 1: That sucks. Yeah, it was. It was rough. I didn't.
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I love Kelsey and we love working together.
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 1: But you know, ultimately, you don't want to just sit
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 1: and watch a guy be happy. That wouldn't be a
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 1: very good show. You know, you need, you need. He
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 1: needed a motor a little bit. That cool relationship though,
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 1: I know, fun, but he had his dream life and
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: they were happy together. So you can't watch that for
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 1: fifty hours or however long this ends up going.
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 2: Well, he knows how to mix it up. I'll tell
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 2: you that a dude knows. Taylor knows how to fucking
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 2: throw a monkey ranch into things and make it crazy,
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 2: absolutely make it interesting. So I can't wait to watch it. Thanks,
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 2: thank you, Thanks for being here. All right, Hi everybody, Man,