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What bonobos teach us about choosing better men | Rantzerker 246 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Women have always held and and must consciously reclaim. So
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  Speaker 1: they've always held, and must consciously reclaim the power to
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  Speaker 1: shape a less violent human future through deliberate mate choice,
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  Speaker 1: coalition building, and nurturing, just as Bonobo females do through
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  Speaker 1: biology and collective action. Expanded women has always held the
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  Speaker 1: power to change the future. We have the power to
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  Speaker 1: cultivate tenderness, cooperation, creativity, and resilience by choosing differently, by
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  Speaker 1: choosing fathers differently, by choosing to nurture boys and a
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  Speaker 1: men differently, we can claim our power of choice fully
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  Speaker 1: and without apology. We do more than create children. We
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  Speaker 1: create a whole new world coming.
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  Speaker 2: To live from deep within. Well it's actually quite bomby
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  Speaker 2: right now, but it does have a lot of leaves
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  Speaker 2: flowing everywhere, radioactive wasteland. I we are the survivors. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I am also the survivors of the alt right tech popolyxopolypse.
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  Speaker 2: Once it's more waiting a few, the brave, the bitchy,
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  Speaker 2: once more waiting into battle against the Bonnabo hordes. With yep, yep,
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  Speaker 2: what Bonnabo's teach us about choosing better men? Those Bonnabos,
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  Speaker 2: such such angels in chimpsuits rant Zerker number two four six,
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  Speaker 2: which I thought would be particularly entertaining for Karen because
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  Speaker 2: she definitely has thoughts about the Bonnabo. So, Brian, did
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  Speaker 2: you want to give us a give us an overview.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So what we're going to be doing is is
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  Speaker 1: this a request? Is this one of them?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: This is this is.
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  Speaker 1: Little like yeah, yeah, his fetish Brought to you by
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  Speaker 1: by Richard Jimmy Mommy Female Dating Strategy people. This is
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  Speaker 1: Manifestel making a video called what Bonnabos teach Us about
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  Speaker 1: Choosing Better Men, where she is essentially making the claim
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  Speaker 1: that women control access to reproductive to reproduction, which means
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  Speaker 1: the next generation, and that they should use that not
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  Speaker 1: responsibly per se, but like to toft the future. Basically. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's I mean, I watched the whole thing, that's
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  Speaker 1: the summary of the vie. So I mean, but we
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  Speaker 1: but we should hear her arguments. And she's using the Bobos,
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  Speaker 1: because that's how you say it. It's Bonovo using the
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  Speaker 1: Bonobo and their society, their female led society, as the
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  Speaker 1: model that humans should take inspiration from.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but before we get into the Bonos, let's do
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  Speaker 2: our work. So with that, let's get back into it
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  Speaker 2: first time code.
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  Speaker 4: The first hypothesis as to why female banova have higher
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  Speaker 4: status than male banobos is the self organization hypothesis, and
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  Speaker 4: this basically proposes that winning and losing conflicts can create
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  Speaker 4: a self reinforcing cycle. In other words, individuals who have
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  Speaker 4: just lost a conflicts are more likely to lose again,
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  Speaker 4: while those who have one are more likely to continue winning.
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  Speaker 4: It's similar to the risk get richer the poor get
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  Speaker 4: for analogy, when you win, you're more likely to win again,
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  Speaker 4: and when you lose, you're more likely to lose again.
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  Speaker 4: And the second hypothesis can we can.
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  Speaker 2: We address the first hypothesis?
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  Speaker 3: No, that that that actually is sound. That's sound, but there.
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  Speaker 2: Are implications that she's not talking about because I actually
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  Speaker 2: recently looked into bonobos Banobos okay, and I read a
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  Speaker 2: paper on the rate of violence in Bonobo society. Now,
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  Speaker 2: she's right that Bonobo females win contests with males and
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  Speaker 2: are actually a lot more aggressive towards males, and Banobo
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  Speaker 2: males are less aggressive towards female Bonobos. But there is
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  Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of male male aggression in Bonobo's society,
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  Speaker 2: in fact, more than chimp society, and the overall rate
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  Speaker 2: of aggression in Bonobo society is substantially greater. And if
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  Speaker 2: you remove what might be outliers like chimps killing other
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  Speaker 2: chimps usually for probably gross infractions of the hierarchy and
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  Speaker 2: social norms.
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  Speaker 3: Or just in warfare, in.
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  Speaker 2: Warfare, intertribal warfare. And why is there intertribal warfare with
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  Speaker 2: gymps because they have in more resource, there's more resource
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  Speaker 2: competition in the regions that they're the existent.
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  Speaker 3: Why that's not why? But no, it's not, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: It's because there's there's more intrasexual cooperation between chimpanzee males
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  Speaker 3: than there is between Bonobo males. Right, So basically like
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  Speaker 3: the warfare, the intertribal warfare doesn't occur, doesn't generally occur
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  Speaker 3: in lean seasons where everybody's like hungry and resources are scarce, right,
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  Speaker 3: because everybody's just focused on getting as much extracting as
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  Speaker 3: much food out of the territory that they have, and
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  Speaker 3: they're too weak to go to war. Right. It's when
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  Speaker 3: they're fat and bored that they go to war. Right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So it's a little bit more complicated than saying it's
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  Speaker 3: like a resource competition. If it is a resource competition,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's kind of that that evolutionary psychology kind of explanation,
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  Speaker 3: Like male lions don't understand that sex makes babies, and
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  Speaker 3: they don't understand that they want to make their own babies, right,
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  Speaker 3: but they still kill all of the babies of the
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  Speaker 3: previous male when they take over a pride because it
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  Speaker 3: and they don't know that it's going to throw all
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  Speaker 3: the females into estrus and they're all going to be
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  Speaker 3: willing to mate with him, right, they don't they don't
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  Speaker 3: understand that they're not they're not making a calculation, right.
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  Speaker 3: It's just that the males that male lions that do that,
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  Speaker 3: they pass on more copies of their genes, and the
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  Speaker 3: female lions that kill their small litters want two cubs
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  Speaker 3: and then just go into heat right away again and
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  Speaker 3: try again and have a large, larger litters typically right,
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  Speaker 3: they end up having producing more offspring over time over
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  Speaker 3: their lifetime.
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  Speaker 2: And presumably the female lions that kill other lionesses cubs
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  Speaker 2: also get more of the lion's share of resources.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, so, I mean it's it's like, well, I
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  Speaker 3: mean there's no lion's share of resources that the lionesses
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  Speaker 3: do all the hunting, but they get they get the
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  Speaker 3: lion's share the lion the lioness's share of the I
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  Speaker 3: actually need that genes passed on.
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  Speaker 2: The reason why the male lions are the size they
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  Speaker 2: are is because there is different types of prey to
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  Speaker 2: exploit during different seasons, so they keep their size in
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  Speaker 2: order to be able to muscle down larger parier.
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  Speaker 3: That's because that's because a lot of lions are on
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  Speaker 3: their own.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, or there, or they're in.
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  Speaker 3: Like bachelor pods of like maybe one or two or three.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was also specialization, but I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: well it would be for praise specialization if you're on
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  Speaker 3: your own, or if you're just in a pod of
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  Speaker 3: one or two or three male lions right, just like
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  Speaker 3: a little group, you know, a loose coalition, right, of
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  Speaker 3: males that come together because they don't have any females.
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  Speaker 3: They're no females present, right, and you're going to cooperate
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  Speaker 3: with each other in order to survive, right, You need
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  Speaker 3: to keep that bulk up, because you know, like that's
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  Speaker 3: a little bit different from maybe eight or nine lionesses
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  Speaker 3: who are all cooperating in one hunt. You only have
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  Speaker 3: one or two or three males who are you have
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  Speaker 3: to for themselves.
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  Speaker 2: What I heard and you can look into it after
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  Speaker 2: this is basically that that male lines specialize in much
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  Speaker 2: larger prey and there's certain seasons where that's the only
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  Speaker 2: prey that's available. But look it up in fact check it.
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  Speaker 2: We should probably get back to the actual So the bonobos,
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  Speaker 2: So the actual rate of violence in banobo's society is
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  Speaker 2: actually pretty high.
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  Speaker 3: It's higher than among chimpanzees.
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  Speaker 2: It's higher than among chimpanzees.
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  Speaker 3: It just in terms of in group yeah, in.
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  Speaker 2: Group violence, it just has a different pattern. There is
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  Speaker 2: tremendous amounts of violence between me between male banobos, bonabos bonabos, right,
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  Speaker 2: nobos banobos. I'm mixing myself up there is a tremendous
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  Speaker 2: amount of intersectional violence between male bonobos. In fact, there's
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  Speaker 2: more than between male chimps. And also, and this is
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  Speaker 2: going to come right to the heart of her thesis
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  Speaker 2: either but bonobos receive a better a better reproductive benefit
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  Speaker 2: from b or it's not fundamentally different than chimps.
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  Speaker 3: The issue, the issue is right because she's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so how is this better? Well, how is it better chimpanzees?
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  Speaker 3: Common chimpanzees are like bonobos and chimps split off from
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  Speaker 3: each other when the Congo River formed, and the bonobos
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  Speaker 3: are basically on the south edge, the southern side of
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  Speaker 3: the river, and the common chimpanzees are on the northern side, right,
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  Speaker 3: and they can't swim, and banobos should be really thankful
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  Speaker 3: for that, because if chimpanzees ever learned to swim, that's
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  Speaker 3: the end of the banobos. But chimpanzees are much more numerous,
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  Speaker 3: something like twenty times more numerous than banobos, but they
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  Speaker 3: don't actually live under extreme levels of human protection from
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  Speaker 3: from poachers, from predators, from whatever. Right, Bonobos are basically
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  Speaker 3: living in a life preserve that's highly protected, right, Like
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  Speaker 3: their existence is being subsidized by human beings, right, because
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  Speaker 3: they just cannot keep their population levels up because they
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  Speaker 3: they just and there's no competition where they are, there's
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  Speaker 3: no competition for the same things that they want, right.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, so you have all these chimpanzees that
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  Speaker 3: are fighting amongst each other group on group, right, and
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  Speaker 3: they're expanding, and then you have these bonobos that are
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  Speaker 3: constantly shrinking despite being like heavily protected by human being.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm sorry, but your reproductive model sucks, bitch. That
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  Speaker 3: might explain why you're a feminist.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's listen to the second hypothesis.
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  Speaker 4: The reproductive control hypothesis, and this hypothesis focuses on the
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  Speaker 4: evolutionary and social mechanisms that favor non aggres of male
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  Speaker 4: mating strategies. It proposes that when males have limited ability
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  Speaker 4: to monopolize access to fertile females, aggression becomes a less
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  Speaker 4: effective reproductive tactic. I mean, surprise, surprise.
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  Speaker 3: What aggression against whom? Aggression against whom like aggression against females? No, No,
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  Speaker 3: but noobos are way more aggressive against other males than
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  Speaker 3: male chimpanzees are, right, because male chimpanzees form bonds, and
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  Speaker 3: they maintain their bonds, they actually spend way more time
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  Speaker 3: together doing social grooming and other social activities then they
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  Speaker 3: spend with females, right, because they're maintaining their their bromances.
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  Speaker 3: They're like maintaining their relationships right with other males, because
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  Speaker 3: you know, when you go to war against those other guys,
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  Speaker 3: those assholes down the valley, right, you need to be
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  Speaker 3: able to count on each other, right, So you need
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  Speaker 3: to know, like, okay, so how many dead skin flakes
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  Speaker 3: did this guy pick off of me and eat? And
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  Speaker 3: how many fleas did he pick off of me and eat? Right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: And and how how big an asshole was he to me?
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  Speaker 3: When all when when the harem went into estras, right,
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  Speaker 3: and I started sniffing around a little bit, right, okay,
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  Speaker 3: And you know, so it's it's like cooperation among chimpanzee
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  Speaker 3: males is actually extremely high, extremely high, because they're all
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  Speaker 3: brothers and uncles and fathers and sons and nephews and
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  Speaker 3: and cousins, right, Okay, they're all related to each other,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, and the females go off and this
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  Speaker 3: is this is the lifestyle that they they cultivated that
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  Speaker 3: was necessitated because they were high a highly populous populated
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  Speaker 3: species north of the Congo and south of the Congo,
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  Speaker 3: the benobos were just completely cut off from any and
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  Speaker 3: all interspecies in trust species competition, right, So so they
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  Speaker 3: they basically just let the women take They got the
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  Speaker 3: males got lazy and let the women take over, and
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  Speaker 3: now they're dying out.
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  Speaker 2: Not quit the message that she intended. There's so when
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  Speaker 2: I looked at this study on rates of aggression in
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  Speaker 2: chimpanzee society, male men, male chimps are less aggressive towards males.
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  Speaker 2: They are more aggressive towards females, sure than than chimps
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  Speaker 2: or bonobos.
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  Speaker 3: Bonobos are bonobo males are towards female chimps. To say
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  Speaker 3: about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but but here's the thing. It is, overall there's
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  Speaker 2: less aggression. And here's where it gets really interesting. There is,
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  Speaker 2: I believe what I remember a tremendous amount of female
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  Speaker 2: female aggression in bonobo society.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, buying levels of female female aggression
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  Speaker 3: and Bonobo society.
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  Speaker 2: So chimp society overall is relatively peaceful. And then there's
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  Speaker 2: also the problem is that they're asserting that in chimp
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  Speaker 2: society versus bonobo society. Chimps have a greater reproductive incentive
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  Speaker 2: for being violent, which is one hundred percent false.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it depends they don't have a greater greater they
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  Speaker 3: don't have a greater incentive for in group Yeah, well
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  Speaker 3: that's they have a much lower incentive for.
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  Speaker 2: It has much incentive for in group violence. Male bonobos
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  Speaker 2: are tremendously violent. They're more thanopolizing with each other, and
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  Speaker 2: they're violence I believe actually correlates to reproductive success.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely a great than chimps. It's it's actually
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  Speaker 3: kind of hilarious because when you look at if you
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  Speaker 3: look at like a troop of chimps and say there's
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  Speaker 3: five male five dominant males, and maybe like twelve or
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  Speaker 3: fifteen subordinate males, right, and then there's or you know,
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  Speaker 3: and then there's the adolescents and the juveniles and some
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  Speaker 3: of which half of which are going to be male. Right,
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  Speaker 3: But among the adult males, you might have five dominant
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  Speaker 3: and fifteen twenty subordinate ones, right, and you know, the
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  Speaker 3: about eighty percent of the offspring are sired by those
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  Speaker 3: five dominant males, and it split about twenty percent each
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  Speaker 3: among that eighty percent. So fifteen percent each, right, and
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  Speaker 3: then there's that other twenty percent where you have like
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  Speaker 3: the kind of the sneaky guys, well not the nice guys, okay,
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  Speaker 3: like the guys who like they take a shine to
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  Speaker 3: one particular female and this is what they think happened
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  Speaker 3: with humans, by the way, they took a shine to
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  Speaker 3: a particular female. Right. This guy, he's like, I'm kind
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  Speaker 3: of sweet on her, and he helps her with her kids,
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  Speaker 3: and he shares his food with her, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: and he like, you know, baby sits, and he does
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  Speaker 3: things for her, and he gives her extra social grooming
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  Speaker 3: and pays attention to her and all of this, right,
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  Speaker 3: and then when she gets a chance, she sneaks off
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  Speaker 3: into the bushes when she's actually fertile and has sex
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  Speaker 3: with that good father. Yeah, and then she So about
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  Speaker 3: twenty percent of the offspring and chimpanzee society are sired
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  Speaker 3: by those males within the context of those kinds of relationships, right,
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  Speaker 3: so I've but with Benovo's it's basically sixty percent of
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  Speaker 3: all the offspring are sired by one male. And the
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  Speaker 3: reason that he gets all the bitches and sex every day, okay,
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  Speaker 3: is not because he's super awesome. It's not because he
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  Speaker 3: gives any value. It's not because he even is a leader, right,
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  Speaker 3: it's because his mother is the top female, and she
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  Speaker 3: and he's her favorite son.
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  Speaker 2: And she is a tremendously usually tremendously violent violent Yes,
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  Speaker 2: so the the status hierarchy is actually on females. And
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  Speaker 2: because the status hierarchy on females, they are incredibly violent
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  Speaker 2: to each other.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, and and that mother, that mother will
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  Speaker 3: will go and violently rip apart mating a mating pair.
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  Speaker 3: If it's not her son, they're not gonna mate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's let's let's let's review Bonnibo society. Banobo
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  Speaker 2: society has tremendous amounts of female female aggression, no femle
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  Speaker 2: male cooperation, no.
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  Speaker 3: Male male cooperation, no male male cooperation.
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  Speaker 2: So there's tremendous amounts of male male aggression as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's overall a far more aggressive society.
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  Speaker 3: And although you know there's one Brad Pitt who gets
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  Speaker 3: all the.
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  Speaker 2: Honey, Yeah, there's one Brad Pitt who gets all the babes.
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  Speaker 2: Actually wouldn't even be Brad Pitt because Brad Pitt became
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  Speaker 2: Brad Pitt for his own you know.
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  Speaker 3: From his own own efforts, right, King Charles, Yeah, one
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  Speaker 3: King Charles.
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  Speaker 2: One King Charles. Ladies one King Charles. So doesn't he
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't even be a man who was chosen by the
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  Speaker 2: female bonobos. No, it would be because Ma Baker cracked
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  Speaker 2: your skulls in and said, my blog gets to rape you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. No, And and and here's the thing too, right,
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  Speaker 3: like they say, oh, you know, and they're the love monkey.
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  Speaker 3: They're the love monkey. Okay, okay, So, so like chimpanzees,
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  Speaker 3: bonobo's the males stay, some of the females stay with
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  Speaker 3: the group, right, they're called the resident females. Pretty much.
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  Speaker 3: All of the males stay with the group, right, because
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  Speaker 3: they're all related, and so they don't like try to
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  Speaker 3: kill each other all the time, and because they they're
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  Speaker 3: you're my brother, man. And but so you have these
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  Speaker 3: adolescent and young adult females, right, they're not sexually mature yet, right,
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  Speaker 3: coming from other groups to join this new group. Well,
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  Speaker 3: what do they have? They have twenty four to seven
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  Speaker 3: fifty two weeks a year partial sexual swellings. These are
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  Speaker 3: the equivalent of thirteen year old girls or twelve year
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  Speaker 3: old girls. Eh, Okay, they have permanent sexual swellings all
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  Speaker 3: the time, right, not just when they're because they're not fertile, right,
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  Speaker 3: So not when they're fertile, all the time. And they
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  Speaker 3: use that to tribe the males in the troop into
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  Speaker 3: tolerating them, maybe protecting them against the aggressive resident females,
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  Speaker 3: particularly the dominant one, right and uh, and to help
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  Speaker 3: them navigate entry and acceptance into the tribe. And you
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  Speaker 3: will literally see, you know, like this, this adolescent female
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  Speaker 3: running up and grabbing some sugar cane or or some
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  Speaker 3: fruit from uh society, Yeah, run up and grab a
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  Speaker 3: piece of fruit or sugar cane from a male's an
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  Speaker 3: adult males patch, right, and normally like everybody fends for themselves.
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  Speaker 3: It's like it's everybody for themselves. Yeah, And so she'll
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  Speaker 3: run in and she'll grab it and she'll just turn
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  Speaker 3: her ass up so that he'll have sex with her
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  Speaker 3: and not beat her for taking that food.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So you literally have child prostitution society and society.
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  Speaker 2: And this is not is not It doesn't happen in
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  Speaker 2: chimp society not well.
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  Speaker 3: Well, because the adolescent females don't have permanent sexual swellings.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Because they don't need to pore themselves out.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is sounding like a really lovely society.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: It's great. It's great, wonderful.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Male female competition. And the most violent female, the one
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: who can crack the most skulls, tear the most weaves,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: scratch and kill, kill the most of her rival babies,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: and kill the most she's the one her her what
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: is what is.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: That her favorite son, her son is gonna sign he's
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: gonna sire all the freaking.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: He could be Norman Bates doesn't matter.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: No, So it's it's it's just like it's it's a
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: recipe for psychopathy.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like psychopathy. And then also, if you are
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: an unattached young female, you have to trade your sexuality
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: for social acceptance least.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Protection for protection and from from males, yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: And and protection from the feet the resident aggressive females,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the resident ma baker who's gonna make you reproduce with
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: her gonk of the son, yeah.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Wow, yeah no, And and you know all of these
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: things with like they're like and they they resolve conflicts
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: through sexual activity, and it's like it's like, yeah, no,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: most of that in terms of males, males resolving conflict
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: through like male male sexual interaction among thevenobos. Most of
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: that looks like prison rape, right. There's a lot of
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: like grunting on the part of the one who's doing
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: the fucking right, and there's a lot of screaming, right
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: and and cringing on the part of the one who's
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: not dominant.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: Like how the fuck did anybody get the idea that
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: we should model human society off of these fucking monkeys that,
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: as far as I'm concerned, let them die out.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Goddamn Yeah. And I've actually heard that zoo keepers find
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: bonobos to be more horrifying to deal with than chimps
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: because they do things like they don't just they don't
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: just kill you out right. What chimps will be like, yeah,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: you're just we gotta get rid of you. You're you're
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: an absolute disruption to the pat to the and maybe
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: also chimp males you know, have a strong pimp pant. Okay, yeah,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: but bonobo female bonobos will do things like chew off
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: other like not I don't want to say disbehaved, misbehaving
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: bonobos probably just binobo's they don't like, they'll chew off
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: their fingers because they're genuses or they're penises, but their
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: fingers in particular means that they won't be able to
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: gather resources, they won't be able to escape from predators.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: So they have a buildiness.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: They don't just kill. They make sure that your death
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: is long and lingering and torturous and violent. Yeah, I
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: mean they understand torture. Bonobos, they understand torture.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, meanwhile, you have you have a troop of chimpanzees.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: They had like a female chimp, right who was who
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: was born with the equivalent of Down syndrome. Right, So
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: this is is a troop out in the wild, and
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: and everybody in the troop understood, right that she could
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: cross social boundaries, right, They would let her get away
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: with crossing all kinds of social boundaries because they knew
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: she was different. They knew she was like handicapped, they
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: knew she was just like you know, and and it
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: was it was a season, right, you know, Like resources
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: were plentiful, and everybody just basically humored her and were
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: like willing to just kind of leave her to like
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: behave like an idiot, right, you know. And it's like
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: everyone from the top males to all of the people
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: on the bottom of the hierarchy, right, they were just like,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: you know, they were very indulgent with her, right, and
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: you know it's like yeah, yeah, but nol thos no.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, and they also bite off penises of
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: males and yeah, this sounds like a really lovely society manifestel.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Okay, I'm not a super fan
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: of gymps either. I mean, I don't want to say,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: maybe I'm bringing too much emotion into it. I don't
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: think that they are necessarily a good no model off either,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: because there are there are things about their society that's
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: a little psychopathic, but not.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: And they're in eighty twenty society, right, So yeah, this
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: is not like bonabos.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Bonabos are just they're they're just even they're they're just
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: beyond beyond beyond.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: And and again, the only thing that Bonnabos have going
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: for them is that bobo's bonobos. Bonobos have going for
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: them is that there is less male and female aggression.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: But the problem, apparently is that once women's are females
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: start to establish this kind of a dominant system, everything
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: goes to absolute hell. You start having child prostitution, you
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: start having torture, you start having unbelievable levels of violence
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: between male chimps, you start having the the the the
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: male chimp that gets all the girls is the gnk
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: whose Mo Baker's most favorite son, who's also incredibly violent. Right,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: It's it's like it's just it just turns into a slew,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: it goes backwards. Shall we say?
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, No, it's it's it's a it's a high
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: and it's not reproductively viable because, as I've said, you know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: like they need human protection just to is the just
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: to not just not to not die out quicker than
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: they already were without any external competition.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, it is the end game of unchecked female
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: female aggression. Yeah, and competition and status seeking? Yeah yeah? Okay?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Did do we want to go for another one another time?
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Code Brian?
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I jumped ahead a little bit. Let's see, all right,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: here we go?
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Is the synchronization of female reproduction. If multiple females are
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: fertile at the same time, it can become impossible for
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: a single male to control or monopolize all of his opportunities.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: So this one is more of a lostical issues.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: She thinks she's going to be mob Baker. She thinks
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: she's going to be mob baker. She thinks she's going
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: to be on the top of the hierarchy. The appeal
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: for this for her, in my opinion, just judging from
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: how she's her affectation, is that it is absolute control
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: over the sexual resources of other women.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: All right, let's yeah, fascinated by the idea that women's
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: cycles seem to sink when they spend a lot of
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: time together. And I wonder if that phenomenon, if true
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: and repeatable, is at all tied to this strategy of
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: preventing mail monopolization.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Right, What the frick are you talking about? You so
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: you want to be mated by a train of men.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: No, it doesn't matter, It doesn't matter a train of men.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: That's fine, right, every man, every man's sperm gets his shot.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: But the idea of synchronized estris, right, that doesn't really
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: come into play in climates where there's no there's no winter, right,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Like it comes into play in climates where there's winter,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: or in climates or in species, in species where every
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: every female goes into estris at the same time. Okay,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: because you have a season where your offspring will survive,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: right and grow to adulthood within a certain amount of time, right, Like,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: what how often do mice go into estris right as
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: soon as they've raised their pups? Well, how long does
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: that take? Weeks? Right, and then they just go into
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: estris again, and if all their puffs die, they go
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: into estres again right away.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, right, nice on your mind.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit. I think I called another one.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I heard him squeak in. I heard a little snap
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: and then I heard him squeak in. It's a humane trap, people,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: it's a humane trap. He was just starting by the
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: door closing.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, but that doesn't really solve the Karen asked to
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: borrow one of my cats before the show started, so
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: we found out that she has a mouse infestation. But
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: continue about the seasonal Actually yeah.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: No, no, So I mean like some animals are seasonal, right,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: and so it's like, okay, so female like female lions.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: When a new male takes over the pride, he kills
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: all of the nursing and juvenile nursing cubs and juvenile cubs, right,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: he kills them all off because he wants, right the
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: females to not be reproductively burdened right by nursing, so
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: that they'll just go into Estris right away. Right, they
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: don't have a season, right, they can go into Estris
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: anytime they're not actually nursing cubs, anytime they're not actively
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: looking after cubs. So within a few days of the
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: male lion killing off all these cubs, the females all
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: go into Estris again, and they all start flirting with him,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: and then he mates with them, and then he gets
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: to have his shot, right, And he does that because
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: if he waits until these cubs are two years old
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: before he gets his shot, well he might have been
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: usurped by then by yet a different male, right. So
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: you know, like it's and it's not he's not making
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: that calculation consciously because he probably doesn't even know that
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: sex makes babies, right, or that his babies are more
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: valuable than anybody else's babies, right, or that what he
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: wants is to pass on his genes. It's just that
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: was the strategy, that was the thing that worked in
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: the past, and that tendency just got passed down over
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: and over and over and over again through you know,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: thousands of iterations, and so the male lions that do that,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: they're the ones that pass on the most copies of
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: their genes. Right, So you know, when you look at
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: but Nobo society, right, it's actually probably a really good
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: thing if females all go into estres at once. What's
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: even more good in terms of reproductive viability is not
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: knowing when you're an estress and not necessarily giving any
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: kind of detectable signals that you're an estress.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: But I don't think she's talking about one man monopolizing
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: all the women. She's talking about someone but monogamy. She's
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, if they all go into estras at
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: the same time, one male won't be able to impregnate
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: them all doesn't matter, doesn't matter. They'll stay in estris
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: until they're impregnated, and all he has to do is
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: mate guard. Yeah, well yeah, or his mother have his
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: mother mate guard.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, she doesn't know what the home which is what?
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Which is what Bonobo mothers do. They made guard. They're like,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: you're not You're not gonna fuck someone who's not my
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: favorite son. You're not gonna I'll go She'll go beat
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: the ship out of that bitch.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: You're not You're gonna have sex with cletus. That's it
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: to the banjos like that. Okay, but but she's thinking.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: She's not thinking about one male monopolizing all of the females,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: which is one hundred percent well mostly what happens in
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: bonobo or bonobo society. Society. She's thinking about a monogamous
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: relationship where a single male monopolizes the sexuality of a
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: single female. That's what she hates.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, play a little bit more so I can see
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: if that's what she's getting it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Those of these two factors, concealed ovulation and synchronization of
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: female reproduction, they both give women more leverage over reproduction,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: over having children, and they both help women in de
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: incentivizing male aggression. Moving on the third.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Hud, that's true, that's true. That's true. Cryptic ovulation disincentiviizes
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: the male aggression. That's why human males are so much
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: more cooperative with each other than any other males in society. Right,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: and also animal kingdom also wolves, also boobs. Yeah, but
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: here's the things really helped because because you know, like ironically,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: boobs evolved like permanent breasts, right, they evolved in order
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: to basically signal to males that I'm not fertile. I'm
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: not fertile, right, I'm nursing young right now, and I'm
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: not fertile. I can't be impregnated, right, And yet that
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: became a sex it became it became a sexual thing
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: over you know, Millennia, because you know, it's it's a
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: sign that, okay, you have you have the tits to
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: be able to feed a child.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, okay, that's interesting. So it sort of
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: became in its own kind of signal. But yeah, you're right,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: it doesn't signal fertility because it's not like they disappear
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: when we're not ovulating. But you have to consider what
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: she's saying was in contact. She's saying that every female
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: going into Estrius at the same time I guess with
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: concealed ovulation means that what women's sexuality can't be monopolized apparently.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: But but in the context of Banovo's like the theatas,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: that dominant yeah, the dominant female's Kleta's son has the
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: monopoly six yeah all.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: And it actually all the astrask happening at the same
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: time enables that in a way.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, because that's that's when the mother knows.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's like a signal. So she's like, okay, well here,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: here's the time where me and the I don't want
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: to I don't want to call out me and the
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Banjo sisters go out and make sure that only klidis
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: gets to mate or what.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: The hell I mean? But cryptic ovulation would actually put
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: a stop to that.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the thing is that cryptic ovulation reduces it's
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: all associated with monogamy. Yes, it's it's so, And I'm okay,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I'm also coming at this from previous things that I've
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: heard her say. So fair enough, I've no more of
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: her corpus or whatever you want to call it, her thesis, thesis,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: her hypothesis about reality. And I'm pretty sure it's men
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: monopolizing women's sexuality through marriage.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: If that makes show for sake, No, no, give me
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: a fucking break, bitch. Okay, if you don't want to
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: get married, don't get married, don't have kids, don't saddle
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: your freaking your sperm donor with a two hundred thousand
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: dollars baby mortgage. Yeah, well on your own, like the
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Bonobos exactly.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, they don't take that message. Let's let's let's watch
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: a little bit more. Is this the second time code?
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me just double check it's for does another
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: minute and sell. So there's more to the argument here, okay.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: And then there's a time called after this.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another one after this.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Okay. Just before you continue, feed the badger dot com slash.
• 37:28
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• 37:31
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• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Third hypothesis as to why female bonobos have higher status
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: than the much bigger male bonobos is the female coalition
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: formation hypothesis of the paper.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the feminist hypothesis. Yeah, no, the feminists took over
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: bonobos and they're dying. They're dying out as a species.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: All right, great work, ladies.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, feminists took over the unleashed mass amounts of female
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: female competition. Mo Baker's Kletus is the only man who
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: who has sex or and also all of the young
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: females have to have sex with the males just to
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: be able to survive. Yeah that's that. Okay, Yeah, yeah,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: it's lovely, super great, Thank you feminists. All right, the.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Results support only this hypothesis. Basically, the researchers observed and
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: counted all the times an individual male received aggression from
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: the females, and they counted the occurrence of males exhibiting
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: subordinate status to the females by counting the number of
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: times the males fled. So basically, if you run away,
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: you lose. Now, if you're wondering, where is the part
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: where the female banobos refuse to mate with aggressive male banobos?
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Doesn't?
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Oh no, they're gonna mate with the most aggressive ones.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Yep. Except in this case, his aggression will probably be
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: parallel his mother's aggression. Yeah, yeah, okay, let's see what
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: what this nonsense? What they they asserted, it's.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Our matriarchal and generally experienced less male aggression compared to
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: other mammals aka the chimpanzees aka humans. It wasn't in
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: this paper, although it could be in other papers, So
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: if you can find it, please share in the comments.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: And I'd love to do a follow up.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I think that's the end of the clip. No, there's
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: another minute.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Oh good, Lord, can and some change?
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a minute more.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Try to keep my mouth shut.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: But she's full of crash.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Now, Although the idea of female banobo's wiping aggression out
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: of the gene pool would fit nicely within the reproductive
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: control hypothesis, which would support the idea that female bnobos
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: are choosing less aggressive males to mate with.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, no, no, they're not. They're not. They're not
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: choosing less aggressive. Just keep going, Brian, the most aggressive female.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: The most aggressive female is the most dominant, and her
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: favorite son is gonna be her most aggressive son. The's
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: gonna sire sixty percent of the fucking offspring in the group.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: All right, let's let her finish.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: We're got a super child that just came through. I'll
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: read it for you. Great indoors gave us five dollars
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: and says to what extent can the bonobo's social interaction
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: within the group be seen as analogous to what is
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: commonly referred to as a low trust society.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: It's no trust society.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's true.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: The males, the males have almost the males have almost
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: almost nothing to do with each other. They don't cooperatively hunt, right,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Chimpanzees will do that. They'll they'll hunt sometimes when there's
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: not a whole lot of fruit around, right, So they'll
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: go hunting in groups. Right, they'll bring home the meat,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: they'll share it with the females, right, and share it
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: with each other. So I mean, like you have you
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: have male cooperation going on in chimpanzee society. You don't
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: have any male cooperation going on in Benobo society. They're
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: socially isolated from each other. All they have is conflict
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: and then prison rape to resolve the conflict. And and
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: and there you go. That's that's that's life among the.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: It is not actually, it's not asta. It's not sustainable
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: because if they encounter any group with any kind of
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: male male coalition, and they're gone because they just can't.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: They can't muster anything. And the other thing is probably
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: the males don't actually attack the females because there's no
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: benefit in it. No, there's And the the third thing
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: is it probably here's my hypothesis, the male aggression towards
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: the females is reducing or preventing this exploding like the
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: female female aggression into exploding. Yeah, it's actually keeping the
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: female female aggression in line, in line. It's like it's
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: like today, male police spend about as much time policing
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: lesbian violence as men in general. Spend engaging in any
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: kind of criminal activity against women. Do you know that
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: actually had groc estimated men spend as much, if not
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: more time policing lesbian violence than they do in engaging
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: in violence against women. And if in this context that
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: policing would be considered aggression against women?
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Who knows?
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Like, who knows?
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Who knows?
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: The male champs are like, yes, knock it off, sisters, Yeah,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: trying to chew each other.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's like that story that my friend Sam
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: from work told me because his dad had three wives.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: He's Lebanese and from Lebanon, and his dad had three wives,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: and he would come home and they, you know, they'd
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: be like all scratched and bruised up because they were
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: fighting amongst each other, and and he just he would
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: give them the lecture, right, the lecture, I have to
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I have to leave the house so I can earn
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: a living and support you. Right, you can't be doing
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: this every time? I leave right under. And then then
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: one day he came home and then one of them
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: was covered in blood in the kitchen, the other one
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: was screaming and smashing things in the living and the
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: third one was locked in the bathroom sobbing, okay, and
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: he beat all of them and then after that, Sam said,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: after that there was no fighting.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so there was just no fighting. Anecdotally, this
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: hypothesis might have some merits. Maybe the chimpanzees pimp hand
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: is strong, because I don't want the female chimps to
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: flowed into unbelievable levels of intersectional violence.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, And it's it's like, it's like he did
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: not cause them any wounds. He just beat them. He
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: beat them with a stick on their bottoms, right, and
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: he did it in front of the kids to humiliate them. Man,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: you know, and it's like it's like, okay, well you
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: know it worked.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: It worked.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: They learned, they figured out how to like not fucking
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: try to kill each other.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and what what do you do in that circumstance
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: when you're responsible for the punishment. You can't just say, well,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: the police take them, they can deal with you. Like
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: and if imagine the horror if he had come home
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: and one of them was dead, Yeah, one of them
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: was a murderer.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good lord.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: And yeah, the only.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: One left was the one sobbing in the bathroom.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then and then but this this is sort
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: of corroborated by the sheer volume of lesbian violence. Yeah,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: like they just like women do not know how to
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: de escalate.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: No, they don't.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: And and you know it's not a it's not a
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: situation that you want seeing happening, but you can understand it. Okay,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: So let's keep going.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: If this promise was not in this paper, why do
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: we keep seeing tick talk seeing it as if we
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: have scientific basis for it. Well, it's because we are
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: literally dying for a better, less violent world towards women. No, seriously,
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: are literally dying. No, you're not that female bonobos are
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: taking violent males out of the gene pool, because that
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: would give us permission to do the same. Why permission
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: in the first place, permission from bonobo's Like, why don't
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: we just do it?
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Now? Do you all are unbelievably attracted to narcissistic soociopaths
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: like you do? Do we remember the t app or?
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: No?
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Was it the tea app?
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I think it was. And and what we found was
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: that vast suaths of women were all choosing the same
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: men who are a Chinese parade full of red flags
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: of narcissism and sociopathy, Like you are, and and we
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: have statistical evidence that women find the narcissistic personality style
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: to be itself attractive. Yeah, okay, so you you find
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: these men attractive, you are seeking them out and having
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: babies with them. Nobody wants you too. This results in
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: women actually choosing men who are good fathers and understand
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: loyalty and commitment. Good, but I don't I doubt that
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: that's where Manifestel is going to go. And also this
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: epidemic of violence against women. No, this is a complete fiction,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: a construct. I can use an example that I recently
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: walked through with groc because it wasn't wasn't like Grock,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: you know gro Is X's Ai Grock. Really, it took
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: four hours for me to get to the point where
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: it understood what I was saying. It was talking about
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: this feminist organization that looks at the death of activists,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: like activists being assassinated around the world right, and it
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: found lo and behold that women are uniquely targeted. However,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: when I probe this information, I found that ninety percent
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: plus more like ninety five ninety eight percent of the
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: activists targeted around the world for assassination are male, and
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: a few of the activists. Female activists are targeted when
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: they're basically advocating for the same state undermining activism. And
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it's wrong, but it is state
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: undermining activism that the men are. But I think it
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: was AWI Awid was the organization. I do not know
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: the acronym, don't ask me to explain it, but it
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: was an organization looking at the death of female activists
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: around the world. But this organized nation said that women
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: were uniquely targeted for gender abuse prior to their assassination
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: and sexual violence. So I said, Grock, does this organization
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: look at whether or not male activists are targeted for
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: gendered abuse and sexual violence? Oh no, no, no, no,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: no no. How can it say that women are uniquely targeted?
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: You make a good point.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, idly empirically say that. So when she's talking
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: about the epidemic of female violence, it's an epidemic of
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: reframing the data in such a way to emphasize one
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: particular aspect of it that it's basically P hacking activist
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: P hacking.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep no, And you have to, okay, just for
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: the listeners. PSA public service announcement right, basically you you have. Okay.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: So my daughter's going through some shit, okay, and I
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: was looking for a supplement regimen for her, and I
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: was like, okay, so Claude dot Ai, can you do
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: me a solid and just given what you know about
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: her condition, right, can you give me a list of
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: the most bioavailable supplements that I can that she can
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: take every day, right that will improve her health and
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: start healing her gun right? And he comes with this
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: and this huge list, right, and it's like massive amounts.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: The only thing that looked even remotely reasonable was the
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: ten thousand international units of vitamin D three a day, right,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: because ten thousand you have to take that for like
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: six months before it even remotely threatens toxicity, right at
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: that dose. But all of these other things like potassium
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: and magnesium and calcium and everything else, sodium and the
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: whole bit, right, all of these other things. And I
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: was like, I was like, okay, now, I would like
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: you to just this regimen, assuming that she's getting at
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: least some of these nutrients from a healthy diet. And
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: it was completely different. He was like, I see what
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: you're getting at, right, Like you can't you can't trust
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: the AI. You can't trust the ape to give you
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: the right answer. You have to actually know that it's
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: going to be completely naive. It was just assuming that
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: she wasn't eating anything, or that if she was eating things,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: they were just calories without any nutrients, without any vitamins
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: or minerals in them. Right, So so yeah, no, so
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: you have to you have to really be careful with
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: the AI. Yeah, don't just take just don't just take it.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: It's word for it.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Grok is. Actually, I have a lot of AI stories,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: and yes, I know my camera is a little bit
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: screwed up. Right now, I have AI stories that I
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: can talk about. But let's finish this time code while
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I think all right.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: An evolutionary biology, sperm morris often refers to the competition
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: between male gammeats inside the female reproductive tract, but this
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: can also be applied to the larger truth. Women, through
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: their meat choice, have always been the ultimate arbiters of
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: which sperm and which traits get carried forward. In this sense,
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: women control human evolution. And yes, yeah, yeh yeh, yes,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: yes you do Jesus fuck finally, okay, so women control everything.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: So if men are violent, it's because of.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: You eve, how the female body drove two hundred million
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: years of human evolution. She talks about exactly that.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: How it seems to be an issue with my video here.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm sorry, I'm gonna try and stop sharing.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: The video got like choppy for some reason. I don't
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: know why. So let's do it again.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just let me let me restart here and see
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: if I can get this working.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're connected thanks to both you guys, but it
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: should be okay, all right, let's try again and have.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: A role in shaping I don't know.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Why my video is dropping frames there? Can you guys
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: hear it? Okay, even if the isn't great, can you
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: guys hear everything that she's saying. I don't know why,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: but it's like dropping crazy frames.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: It's not playing exactly well.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I paused it. I paused it.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's why, So hold on, all right.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: How women have a role in shaping human evolution Across
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: evolutionary time, the female body has been the primary selective
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: force shaping not only reproductive biology, but also brain development,
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: social organization, and even language. I took my time reading
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: this book, and my main takeaway is that women have
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: been shaping humanity ever since the beginning of humanity, whether
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: we believe it or not, whether we accept it or not,
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: the reality is we do.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Simply Okay, yeah, you simply do. So it's all your
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: fault that that's.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: The trick, right, How do we get out of that
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: bug that that little Yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: women select men and and so like you.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Know, well most of the time, most of the time.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, most of the time in general.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: So, and with that knowledge that we have the ability
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: to shape the future of humanity, we can then be
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: more mindful of how we are doing so, because it's
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: not a question of if we are able to do that.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: We're already doing that. It's just a matter of how.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: If aggression and violence have a heritable component, then female
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: made choice becomes an evolutionary filter. So let's get into
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: the biology of aggression. There are three things that point
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: to the biological basis of aggression and that it may
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: be real. Number one is hormones. Testosterone has been linked
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: to aggressive and statusy king, Now, no.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: That is seeking, yes, aggression, not necessarily.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, as usual, it's the misconception of testostrone as
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: bad and yeah, I mean we you know, Allison Michael
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Flood the other day this because we were responding to
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I'm just talking because Allison's apparently like just gone now,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: so we had to wait until she gets back. But
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Michael Flood was coming after Allison on X because I
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: was explaining how, you know, like I was pretty sure
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: that and I've spoken to some people I had on
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: the show that one of the causes for my cancer
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: was that I was like, before I got involved with HBr,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: I was like really into like soy drinks because I
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: was told they were healthy and I was trying to
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: be healthy, and so I was doing that and oh no,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: my yeah, and my tea levels plummeted and I and
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I basically became vulnerable to well cancers and and I
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: brought it up on a We were talking about the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Macha Man phenomenon, which is formative masculinity or whatever, and
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Alison was putting out these short clips and even though
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of clips out there, the one
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: that Michael Flood got really upset about was my anecdote
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: about my experience with that. And he got in there
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: and he was basically like, you guys are fools, like
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: it was just so angry, and I was like, why
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: why are you Why is this the thing that really?
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, it's because it's because he eats nothing,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: but soy huh, it's because he eats nothing but soy.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I mean that's what that's like exactly so. But the
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: thing is, the whole, the whole thing is that for
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, you know, he's like, well, we have like,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: here are a bunch of studies and all that, and
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I and I had done, you know, research, and I
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: talked to some people who are sort of like more
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: in the like say outside of the you know, the cathedral,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: outside of the cathedral on medicine, and they confirmed that
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, like the whole health industry in the mainstream,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: they all treat tesosprone like it's some kind of poison.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: They all to some degree have this belief that testosterone
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: is bad and or at least too much of it
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: is bad. And the thing is, even with roid rage,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I think it's like when you're coming down from it
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: that you beget that you become like that, like it
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: converts estrogen.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: It converts to estradiol.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and that's when the aggression comes.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: But yeah, no, so it actually has to convert into
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: a female hormone and estrogen before it yeah, before it
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: causes inappropriate rage.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: And I mentioned, do you think you can switch to
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: your camera for a bit while I work on this?
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: And we only have twenty minutes left and nobody really
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: needs to see your face? We can?
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, like, I don't know what
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: good it would do, like because I don't you guys
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: were talking.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just that.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: For a camera, I can switch your camera camera.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the camel camera is not one that's not working.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Let me see if I can get anything else.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Like one of your laptop.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it sucks. Oh there you go, there you go.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: All right, it's we're back. So yeah, anyway, she was
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: linking testosterone to aggression, because of course they do.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: And yeah, no, testosterone is a permissive hormone for aggression, right,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: but testicles aren't the only things that generate testosterone. Adrenal
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: glens do as well. Right, So yeah, so you're looking
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: at you know, unless you remove the adrenal glens when
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: you cast right a mail, they're still capable of aggression.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: It's just it's just an aggression is contextual. It's it's
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: always contextual, so it you know, an inappropriate aggression is
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: you know, like, what they found is that if you
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: deprive children of who want to engage in it rough
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: and tumble play, right, they end up either responding to
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: novel social situations with either social withdrawal or inappropriate aggression, right.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: And they've demonstrated this with rats, they've demonstrated this with chimpanzees.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: In fact, they've actually demonstrated with chimpanzees that deprivation of
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: rough and tumble play in early childhood results in cognitive
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: deficits that can be replicated by intentionally damaging an adult
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: monkey's brain. Okay, and you can't, of course experiment like
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: that on children, but they've found that with human children
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: it's basically the same as with rats and with chimpanzees,
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: follows the same patterns, replicates the results. And so you
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: have this situation where women have been basically micromanaging childhood
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: for kids for what however many decades, and you have
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: these young boys who've been deprived of rough and tumble play, right,
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: just being the boys will be boys thing, right, They've
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: been deprived of that through their whole childhood's been like
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: punished for engaging in it, and then that they grow
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: up to be either socially withdrawn or they grow up
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: to be inappropriately aggressive. So I mean, I'm sorry, but
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: women are mismanaging the species.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: And testosterone really has has it doesn't have a whole
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: lot to do with it. Although low testosterone men are moody,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: they're easily irritated, they're agitatable, they have a short fuse, right, Okay,
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Like look at that, Look at that that vape store video.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: You remember the vape store video where the Trump supporter
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: guy in the Trump shirt and the and you can
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: tell he's got healthy testosterone. And he's actually trying to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: be fair with the guy, trying to be reasonable, right,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: trying to be like a reasonable guy, Like just sell
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: me the vape juice and I'll get out of here
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: and I won't come back, right, And the dude behind
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: the counter is absolutely dowey, low t right, and and
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: he's just flipping his shit. He's like small dog fucking
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: fear aggression, right, like just absolutely going insane. And so
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, you know, healthy testosterone is a good thing. Honestly,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: It's it's like black conservative perspective a Greg Foreman BCP
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: on Twitter on x He's like, yeah, no, the Democrats
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: are the party of low testosterone men and high calorie women.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we should probably get back to the time codes.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: But also I am struggling with like, usually you know
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: you want to you want a cat for for for
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: mouse removal, Maybe I will.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: No, I think I caught another mouse, so I don't.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I need the cat. I have
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: peanut butter.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: I just want town and I live my.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Spine and I've got my peanut butter.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: That this woman actually resents the fact that men engage
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: in altruistic punishment against women in order to maintain social
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: peace and cohesion, and she wants to have her relational
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: violence towards other women. She wants to be free to
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: express it fully and then dominate them dominate other women
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: based on her own violence, which will not be in
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: any way constrained by men, which is why she likes
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Bonabo's and also why she gives me the Heava gebis. Yeah,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: no offense of all the of all the women we
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: respond to, even like Byrony Queer, Queer, Kiwi Rainbow, Rainbow
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Bright and all of the bedroom the bedroom feminists and
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: even like the the Andrews Sarkisians, this woman gives me.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say the ick she gives me
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: the creepy girl is. I don't know what it is.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: It's just something about her.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: She is.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: She is truly terrifying on some level. Okay, let's keep going.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Let's play some more of this.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: Just a relationship between higher circulating to stosterone and increased
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: aggression or dominance related outcomes. Cortisol also plays a role.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: The dual hormone hypothesis posits that aggression is most likely
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: when the stosterone is high and cortisol is low. It
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: is physiological profile of dominance without there's.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: On the screen there.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: So the claim is that when tastron is high and
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: cortisol is low, that's when you get male aggression.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, but what kind of mail aggression. That's the thing too.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Well, we have to look at the data too, I
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: mean we would have to look at it.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's keep going.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: And the second is must mass and stature. Greater upper
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: body strength and muscle mass are associated with a higher
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: likelihood of engaging in aggressive competition, and anthropological research shows
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: that in many societies, taller wait.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: A second, Wait a second, But do they control for
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: the fact that when you engage in aggressive competition you
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: tend to increase your upper body mass or.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: That or that. Yet when when you don't have the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: greater upper body mass and upper body strength, you're gonna
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: avoid aggression because you're scared of getting beaten up? Right, Like,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: what does she want? Does she want to like marry
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: one of these like little ravity?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: Right? Is she going to marry some guy who's shorter
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: than her? No, low, lower in body weight than her? Right,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: who's less able to open a fucking pickle jar than her?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: Is she gonna do that?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: No? Of course not. No, Okay, let's let's let's fin this.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: I think I have a serious suspicion.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: If you're looking if you're looking at aggression, and if
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: you're looking at societies that relied on aggression in order
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: to survive. Right, the bigger and stronger you were, right,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: the more likely you were to survive long enough to
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: pass on your jeans as a male. Right, and you
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: could pass it on to multiple women, okay, in multiple cultures. Okay,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: particularly if you were a warring species, right, the raping
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: and the pillaging. Right, you know, like if the Danes
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: had done more raping and less pillaging in the British isles,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: maybe the British would have straighter teeth. But but yeah, no, soot,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: you look at all of those things, all of those
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: things come together. Well, those were the people that they
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: weren't necessarily those men were not necessarily the men who survived.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: They were the men who reproduced. Right, And if you
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: died at twenty five having sired eight children versus man
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: who lived to ninety having sired none, you've won, right,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: And it really doesn't matter whether she consented to to
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: giving birth to your child.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Oh here here, I just asked rock. Social factors like poverty, education,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: or trauma. Trauma often predict violence better than testosterone levels.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, you can't use serum testosterone to predict the aggression.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: You know, you can't do it. It's it's like it's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: like you can have you can have a man with
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: like top tier testosterone and he'll be like that guy
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: in the vape shop, and you have a dude with
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: like super low testosterone and he's like flipping his ship.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah that and again, like low testosterone is associated can
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: be associated.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: With high levels of aggression.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Of aggression and roid rage is actually because estrogen. Testosterone
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: is being converted to estrogen in the brain. Studies show
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: testosterone can increase in competitiveness, risk taking, and reactive aggression
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: in certain contexts.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: And reactive aggression. Yeah, so if somebody attacks you, you
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: you don't be able to fight back.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Also, it increases cooperativeness and fairness.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, cooperativeness and fairness, fairness in bargaining, and cooperation male
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: male cooperation. This is the Soumani study that they did
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: right testosterone the tribe in Bolivia, right where they followed
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: them all day on a hunt. These to these two guys,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: and you know, like it's it's like you get the
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: ants in pants syndrome right when you're home with the fam,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Like all the time, everything starts to irritate you. The
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: kids are bugging you, the wife is nagging you. It's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: like it's getting like really annoying, right, and the meat's
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: running out, and so like the annoyance your testosterone is
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: really low, right because and so everything's irritating you, and
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: the annoyance gets you to knock on barney rubbles door
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: and say, let's go out hunting for a taper right,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: And they tested their testosterone all day through saliva samples, right,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: tested it all day, and then once they brought down
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: a taper, they got this massive blood of testosterone, right,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: and then immediately on the heels of that, a massive
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: flood of oxytocin, right, which is the bonding hormone, right,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: which connects you with your wife and your children and
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: your family. Right. Okay, so they got they got these
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: two surges of hormones back to back right. The surge
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: of testosterone was like, it gave them energy, It gave
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: them the resources, It freed up the resources needed to
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: repair damaged muscles, refuel all of that stuff, right, gave
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: them a sense of like euphoria. And then the oxytocin
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: reminded them of the wives and children back home. And
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: then by they so that they didn't sit down and
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: cut that thing up and like cook it and eat
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: it all themselves, took the trouble to lug it back home, right,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: and then they divided it fairly between the two of
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: them so that they could ensure right, because if you
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: act like an asshole and you hog hat three quarters
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: of taper, right, yeah, that guy's not going to hunt
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: with you. Again right, So it's like all of this
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: is absolutely perfect, and they coast on that testosterone high
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: for a few days until the meat is starting to
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: run out, and then they start getting irritable, they start
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: getting restless, they start having problems sleeping right, and then
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: they go knock on Barney Rebbels door and say, hey,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: you want to come out with me and hunt? Yes, yes,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: I do?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Ah, right, shall we continue yep?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: And higher social status reflecting an evolutionary pathway in which
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: stature and strength increase reproductive opportunities. And these traits, while
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: not inherently violent, they create a physical potential for dominance
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: and conflict. It's like pitbulls and shuahuas. One has a
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: greater capacity for damage simply because of their physique, but
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: it doesn't mean that they will always be one hundred
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: percent damaging. They just have a greater capacity for it.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: And the third one is the warrior genes.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, No, chihuahuas are horribly, horribly fucking aggressive. They
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: just they're too small to hurt anybody. Pit Bulls are
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: notoriously if they're socialized property properly, notoriously fucking gentle and
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: loving and submissive and sweet right, So it's like, I'm sorry,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: but like it's contextual and I'm sorry. Okay, so you're arguing.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: What you're arguing for is you're arguing for women to
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: choose low testosterone males with small stature. That's never gonna happen.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, gives the finishing touch. So combining all of these
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: three factors hormones, muscle mass, of stature, and the warrior gene,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: they all constitute a picture that the biological basis of
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: violence may exist. But caveat on caveat on caveat.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, just remember again, social factors like poverty, education, or
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: trauma often predict violence better than testosterone levels. In fact,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Ma Baker's Bonobo Ma Baker's Cletus is probably violent because
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Bonobo Ma Baker beat the ever living crap out of
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: him as.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: A child well, and is probably also like a genetically
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: prone to violence.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: But again maybe genetically prone to violence. That doesn't mean
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: he's genetically prone to testosterone. Like, there's two different factors.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: It's the genetically women are genetically prone to violence, do
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: and when she says you have the gene for it,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean you will one hundred percent express it. She
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: just seems to be talking about men. Yeah, of course,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: recognizing that women are also have violence chains in them. Okay, yeah,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: let's continue.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: That's the end of the three time codes I chose.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: But I can give you guys her thesis and then
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: you can respond to it. But I think you guys
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: are able to see where it's going. So essentially, what.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Give us her thesis?
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: I'm confirming thesis women have always held and most must
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: consciously reclaim. So they've always held and must consciously reclaim
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: the power to shape a less violent human future through
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: deliberate mate choice, coalition building, and nurturing, just as Bonobo
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: females do through biology and collective action. Expanded women has
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: always held the power to change the future. We have
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: the power to cultivate tenderness, cooperation, creativity, and resilience by
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: choosing differently, by choosing fathers differently, by choosing to nurture
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: boys and a men differently, we can claim our power
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: of choice fully and without apology. We do more than
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: create children. We create a whole new world.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, except for I don't want to live in
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: Bonobo society. I don't I don't want to have to
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: mate with cletus, all right, just because his mom says.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: So no, no, just because his mom cracked your skull.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: And you probably don't.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Want your twelve year old daughters have to have to
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: prostitute themselves to be able to exist, yep, No, you know,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: prefer them to have a father who takes care of them. Yeah,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: good lord, Yeah no, no, thank you nuts, no seal manifestel.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: But honestly, it's not like women are gonna do this anyway.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: They just are gonna They're just it's all.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: They're just they're gonna go for They're gonna go for
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: the dark triad guys still, right, And and they're not
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: gonna they're not gonna marry that kind of avity engineering types, right,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: like the five foot seven guys who you know, put
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: on a button up shirt and go to work every
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: day and make good money writing speak fucking being boring,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: But those guys are also not sneaky fuckers.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: They're just they're just dudes who are existing, yeah yeah,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: and and doing useful work. So it's like, but yeah, no,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: you're gonna go for the guy like my son who's
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: six foot five, muscular, right, and a little bit of
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: a freaking a little bit of an asshole. That's who
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: you're gonna go for.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Yep, exactly, all right, all right, I guess I guess
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: did you get the super child or is the super
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: chat that I saw?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Ryan?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: There was a super chat.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Given what I do, have it up. I'll read it now, Okay,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: albut Ross gave us five dollars earlier and says gibbons
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: might be a slightly better analogy for humans, since givens
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: actually pair, bond and work together to help the family
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: and are pretty peaceful.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: Well, you're talking about monogamous species. No, we're like a
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: hybrid monogamous tournament species.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: I think we'd push back on that, but we probably
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: should get going. I think we're obligate monogamous. Honestly, it's
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: just that we when, just like the chimps can change
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: into the bonobos, when you have completely artificial circumstances, I
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: think we can revert back to not like a more
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: I don't even think tournament, more like a well yeah,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: actually more of a tournament's style mating.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what we're doing right now.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a reversion. Well, just like the chimps
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: can revert into the bonobos.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: But it's like, I.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Think, if you just leave us in an environment with
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: the necessary amount of resource pressure and tribal pressure, we
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: probably would go back to like a strict monogamy. And
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: just because the only way for a woman to actually
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: have children in that circumstance is to be able to
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: not just a man, a family, and that family is
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: going to want to make sure that whatever offspring she
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: produces is related to them. So it's not just the
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: it's not just the man. It is the grandma, it's
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: the man's brothers, it's the man's sisters, it's the man's
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: fathers and grandfather and grandma, all of those people that
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: that woman is going to endeavor to invest in her offspring.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: She cheats if that isn't genetically related to them. So
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: that's that's where the pressure comes from. The reason why
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: I say that is that I don't think that human
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: women just off on their own trying to survive can
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: maintain fertility. No, it's too it's too strenuous. So it's
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: like we have to have we have to have a
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: social group supplying us with the necessary calories to even
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: become fertile.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: And uh yeah, and so we need to get the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: government out of the big supporting.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: We need to get the government out of the business
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: of providing women calories that otherwise we're not going to
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: solve this problem. And also, women who were able to
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: convince a social group to provide them the necessary contribution
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: for them to becomfortile likely had the social skills to
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: raise children, yes, which likely resulted in a much better outcome. Yes, right, okay,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: But anyway, so if you like to support the show.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: Because she does, she it's just funny to me because
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: she basically makes the argument that what women being careful
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: about selecting men for reproduction is not eugenics, because eugenics
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: is systematic, and I think it's funny because it literally is.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: It's just that there is no moral component to people selections.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: But there's this desire to say eugenics is made because
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: it's systemic and it's patriarchal. But women when they do it,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: it's not. It's survival, it's choice, it's freedom. It's just
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: funny because you have to like do this mental pretzeling
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: to like justify something that nobody really should have a
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: problem with anyway.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's like, Okay, so if you
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: have a harlequin baby, right, you know that you have
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: one in four chance of having another harlequin baby. And
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: anybody who doesn't know what a harlequin baby is go
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: look it up. Right. And so if you choose not
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: to have any more kids, or if you choose to
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: get a sperm donor or a donor egg, right in
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: order to have that second child, right, you're engaging in eugenics,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: right to avoid having a second harlequin baby. Yeah, And
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: it's I don't have a problem with that. I really
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: don't have a problem with that because you know, like
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: you know that harlequin babies only occur when both parents
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: have the gene, right, and then then there's a one
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: in four chance that that will occur. And so in
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: order to avoid that, right, you have to replace one
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: gam meat or the other with somebody else's who does
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: not have the gene. And so I mean, like, I
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: don't I don't have a problem with somebody who who
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: decides that, you know, okay, we're going to avoid having
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: a second harlequin baby, but we want another child, right,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: and they go get a donor egg or donor sperm, right.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: And.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: That's eugenics. That's eugenics. I'm sorry, but it is right.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: I'm I have zero problem with that, not intentionally taking
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: the chance to create a baby that's going to grow
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: up into someone if grow up into someone who has
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: like these massive freaking problems, right, and just just look
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: it up, just just look it up. It's it's horrific.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: It's so tragic. You know. Even the ones that that
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: survive are are just they're crippled for life and they
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: have to go through like such like their eyes slowly,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: their eyelids slowly seal shut, right, they go blind, their
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: fingers gradually fused together and and fall off, the tips
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: of them fall off, and they just it's just it's
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: not you don't want to bring a child like that
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  Speaker 6: Men's Right activists are machines, dude, Okay, they are literal machines.
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  Speaker 6: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
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  Speaker 6: On top of that, too, Holy shit, you're fucked