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Rich Lowry | Editor-In-Chief of National Review | 07-02-26 · Sid & Friends In The Morning

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  Speaker 2: Which Larry's a great American and we love the Night review. Rich,
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, buddy, How are you good?
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  Speaker 3: How are you Sinny?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great. I'm going to the Hall of Fame. Rich,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like Mickey apping mental.
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  Speaker 3: That's so great.
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  Speaker 2: I know who would have thunked this years and years ago.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, listen, I made a speech last night
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  Speaker 2: at this event, and look, I'm all about celebrating two
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty. I think it's marvelous. And we are
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  Speaker 2: far and away, it's not even close. We are far
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  Speaker 2: end away the greatest country in the world. I do
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  Speaker 2: wish our kids learn more about our history like Bank
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  Speaker 2: your meets on the show yesterday. They don't even know
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  Speaker 2: about the revolution. You know. All the teach in New
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  Speaker 2: York City schools is slavery and civil rights. These kids
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  Speaker 2: have no idea what the real history of this country is.
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  Speaker 2: And we're a magnificent country, but we got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of problems right now. We got DSA candidates winning all
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  Speaker 2: across America. We're involved in a warning matter of what
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  Speaker 2: President Trump says that we're not winning. Fact, it's hurting us.
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  Speaker 2: So you tell me, Rich, while we get set to
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  Speaker 2: celebrate Saturday, a worthwhile celebration, is it not damp in
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  Speaker 2: just a little by what's going on in this country
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  Speaker 2: and outside this country.
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't think you should dampen the celebration of
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  Speaker 3: this amazing experiment two hundred and fifty years. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we're a country that has a young spirit. At the
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  Speaker 3: same time, we have some of the oldest governing institutions
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  Speaker 3: in America because they're built by geniuses and work so well.
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  Speaker 3: And if you look back in nineteen seid six, last
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  Speaker 3: big celebration, the country isn't a terrible place then Jimmy
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  Speaker 3: Carter was president, gap lines of Iran. Was it was
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  Speaker 3: about to be?
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't that was That wasn't until his way out
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  Speaker 2: in like seventy eight, seventy nine.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I just spoke it wasn't happening yet, but
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  Speaker 3: but the humiliation was to come, and that the fifty
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  Speaker 3: year War was going to begin. So no, it shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: dampen our celebration. But look, we should be concerned about it,
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  Speaker 3: no doubt. I mean, the Democrats are going into a
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  Speaker 3: lunatic place. And there's poisonous trends on the right as well,
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  Speaker 3: there are.
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  Speaker 2: But a lot of those poisonous trends on the right
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  Speaker 2: aren't politicians. It's not a politician. Okay, so what getting
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  Speaker 2: not yet? You know, not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he wants to form a party. But look, Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump has held the center on this on this issue,
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  Speaker 3: and it is holding it back on the right. So
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  Speaker 3: even right about him and how important he is to Jews,
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  Speaker 3: there's just no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 2: Pident Trump. Yeah, yeah, but he's gone sideways, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. I spend most of my time the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of weeks criticizing President Trump more than saying
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  Speaker 2: nice things about him. Now, look, he's still the best
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  Speaker 2: evert the well, the the Iran deal is it's not
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  Speaker 2: a deal. Let's stop saying that, Okay, right now, it's
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  Speaker 2: an MoU There is no deal. There's no deal. So
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  Speaker 2: between this Iran mess and I don't care about the
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  Speaker 2: Dow Jones and the SNP, it's a mess. And the
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  Speaker 2: way he's been treating Israel and BB lately, and his
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  Speaker 2: continued compliments of people like Erdawan and Mom Donnie. Even
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  Speaker 2: though I still love him dearly, I think he's mad
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  Speaker 2: at me, but I love him dearly. Lately, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: all that happy with President Trump. How about that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he hasn't gone you know, where jd Vance
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  Speaker 3: has in terms of criticizing Israel. But look, he was
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  Speaker 3: just desperate.
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  Speaker 2: Toularly criticizes BB, though he's very very tough on BB,
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  Speaker 2: very tough.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know he'll be tough on him now
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  Speaker 3: and not tough on him six months from now. But
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  Speaker 3: he's not on Israel and the Jews. He's not where
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  Speaker 3: you know, Tucker Carlson is and never will be. That's
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  Speaker 3: just not fundamentally where he is. But look, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the gas prices, he couldn't take them. You know, he
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  Speaker 3: wanted to stop. He apparently, according to the Wall Street
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  Speaker 3: Journal on whether he saw this report yesterday or the
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  Speaker 3: day before, he wanted to reopen the straight but he
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  Speaker 3: needed Saudy bases to do it, and Saudi said, no,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in part by the way, because the Iranians
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  Speaker 3: lashed out when we began to reopen the straight and
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  Speaker 3: hit golf countries. And Trump said, oh, this is no
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  Speaker 3: big deal because he didn't want to start a big
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  Speaker 3: fight again. So but that made it kind of militarily
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  Speaker 3: impossible to reopen it. And then what are you going
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  Speaker 3: to do? You know, you're going to you know, wait
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  Speaker 3: six months with the blockade, with the gas prices maybe
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  Speaker 3: going above five dollars a gallon. I think it was
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  Speaker 3: politically impossible. So I think it's it's we didn't win
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  Speaker 3: the war, and that's the reason why there is a
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  Speaker 3: terrible diplomatic deal.
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  Speaker 2: Not even close to winning the war the fact, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, yesterday it was kind of a update because
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  Speaker 2: here he's in a plane that was given to us
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  Speaker 2: by Cutter, and a lot of Americans, not Tucker Carlson.
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  Speaker 2: He's made a lot of money, but a lot of
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  Speaker 2: Americans don't like this relationship with Cutter. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: fact is they were housing terrorists, still are Hamas leaders.
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  Speaker 2: They live in Cutter. Okay, so we're taking a plane
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  Speaker 2: from a country that Harbor's terrorists that helped kill Americans
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  Speaker 2: and Israelis of course, and big, big numbers. And then
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  Speaker 2: all this talk about the stock ax On or whatever
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  Speaker 2: that is, I don't know, and the fact that is
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  Speaker 2: a cryptocurrency company was costing people millions and millions of dollars.
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  Speaker 2: But here American Donald Junior, they made billions and billions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars. So that whole trip yesterday for Teddy Roosevelt
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  Speaker 2: to North Dakota wasn't a great look for President Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Will you tell me maybe I'm wrong?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's not a great look. And this is something
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  Speaker 3: we're going to spend a lot of next year talking about,
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  Speaker 3: because I still believe Democrats's gonna take the House, and
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  Speaker 3: this is going to be their obsession. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: investigation into how Trump and everyone around them has made
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  Speaker 3: so much money and a lot of it's not going
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  Speaker 3: to be great.
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  Speaker 2: They're already all over it this morning on MS NOW
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  Speaker 2: and C and M. That's all they're talking about. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, getting back to the Democrats, and this is
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  Speaker 2: why you know this Rich. I get crazy when I
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  Speaker 2: hear people talk about moderate Democrats. You know that they
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  Speaker 2: don't exist. I've said it a billion times. There's one
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  Speaker 2: John Betterman, that's it. And to be honest, John Betterman
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  Speaker 2: should really take Mansions advice and at this point just
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  Speaker 2: become a Republican. It's silly. Every Democrat, every one of them,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to call them, moderate Democrats, progressive Democrats.
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  Speaker 2: Eventually they cave because they want to win and they
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  Speaker 2: can't win without joining the rest of these lunatics. And
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  Speaker 2: this DSA stuff. This woman in Colorado a couple of
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  Speaker 2: nights ago, Ma'm donnie here. There's now nine New York
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  Speaker 2: politicians that are part of that group. It is sweet
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  Speaker 2: being the country. If you're an American and you're not
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  Speaker 2: terrified of this, you've got your head in the sand. Man.
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  Speaker 2: These people are bad, really bad.
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  Speaker 3: Rich No, absolutely, they hate America, they hate what's made
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  Speaker 3: it great, and they have all the momentum in the
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  Speaker 3: Democratic Party and relatively moderate Democrats, maybe we'll put it
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  Speaker 3: that way, Democrats who aren't democratic socialists. They have no
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  Speaker 3: anybodies against this, they have no courage to fight it.
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  Speaker 3: So's they could very well nominate a presidential candidate who
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  Speaker 3: is this way. You know, if you're AOC, you're an idiot.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't run for president now.
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  Speaker 2: But in the meantime, Kamala Harris, who was their I
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  Speaker 2: guess she was their nominee. There was no vote the Democrats,
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  Speaker 2: they just threw her in there. She reached out to AOC,
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  Speaker 2: and she reached out to Mom, Donnie and two or
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  Speaker 2: three of these other pro Palestinian DSA candidates because she
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  Speaker 2: wants to run and she knows she needs them. So
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  Speaker 2: the question become this AOC, now run again, Schulmer, he
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  Speaker 2: won't even run, he'll just retire. Take that right. She'll
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  Speaker 2: take that Senate seat in New York. Let somebody like
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  Speaker 2: Harris or bourdajidg be the sacrifice and then decide to
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  Speaker 2: win in four years. She's still very very young.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that is a decision. The Senate seat
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  Speaker 3: just seems to be hers for the taking if she
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  Speaker 3: wants it. But does she want to reach for the
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  Speaker 3: brass ring? And Harris, by the way, it's just such
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  Speaker 3: a soulss hack. This is exactly what she did when
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  Speaker 3: she ran the first time around with Bernie Sanders. She
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  Speaker 3: thought Bernie was a hot new thing, so she was
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  Speaker 3: going to pick up all his ideas. That's what she's
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  Speaker 3: gonna do with Mom Donny in this crew as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable. What makes these people think. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: her performance was right there with Curtis Sliwa. You know
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  Speaker 2: I'm being serious. Curtiscott, Curtiscott. Curtis got seven percent of
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  Speaker 2: the vote, which was the worst showing of her mind
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  Speaker 2: you four years before that he also got his ass
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  Speaker 2: whooped by Eric Adams whooped, and he's all over Dave Portnoy.
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  Speaker 2: Kurtis should shut the hell up. Seriously, when you get
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  Speaker 2: seven percent, you do not own the right to make
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  Speaker 2: fun of any other candidate. But I'm using him as
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  Speaker 2: an example because he lost an embarrassing fashion right loser.
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  Speaker 2: Harris lost an embarrassing fashion She lost every swing state,
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  Speaker 2: She lost every popular vote in the country. She only
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  Speaker 2: wanted statesfull they had no ID and these people keep
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  Speaker 2: coming back for more. Why. I guess money fame? What
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  Speaker 2: is it?
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  Speaker 3: I think? You know, when you lose, usually the reaction
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  Speaker 3: of your party is like, thank you very much, we
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  Speaker 3: don't want to hear hear from you again. But that
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  Speaker 3: hasn't been the reaction with her, And I think it's
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  Speaker 3: because they blame Biden and that he does bear a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the blame. You know, he had a president
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  Speaker 3: who is near senile, decided to run again, screwed up.
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  Speaker 3: The whole thing was unpopular, so she's gotten a pass now.
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  Speaker 3: I think she was a terrible candidate, and if she
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  Speaker 3: had a better candidate, she might have won. You know.
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  Speaker 3: It's yeah, she lost every swing state. She lost them
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  Speaker 3: pretty narrowly. You know, it's still pretty close election. So
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  Speaker 3: if they had someone better, they might have pulled it out.
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  Speaker 3: But she's terrible. But I think she's a legit contender.
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  Speaker 3: You know, she has a lot of black support. That's
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  Speaker 3: important that the black voters buy and large in the
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  Speaker 3: Democratic presidential premieres. They aren't DSA types, you know, they're
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  Speaker 3: relatively moderate. So I hate to say it, she has
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  Speaker 3: a chance. It's scary for the country if she would
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  Speaker 3: ever be president of the United States, but I think
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  Speaker 3: she had a chance to be their nominee again.
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  Speaker 2: And you'll hear Republicans say, oh, that would be great news,
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  Speaker 2: and I would just say, be careful what you wish for.
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  Speaker 2: I used this last night, you know, when the Celtics
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  Speaker 2: became a bad basketball team too. Goot, who the coach was,
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  Speaker 2: maybe Patino? I don't even know. And he said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Larry Bird is not walking through that door anytime soon.
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  Speaker 2: And President Trump, for all my criticism the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks, I still think he's the best and I
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  Speaker 2: love him and I'm gonna cry like a baby when
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  Speaker 2: he's done. So President Trump is not walking through those
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  Speaker 2: doors anytime soon. And I have to tell you it's anecdotal.
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  Speaker 2: It's just me, sid Rosenberg. But I talk to a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people the last two weeks between Israel and
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  Speaker 2: seven thousand miles away here in New York. Nobody that
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  Speaker 2: I speak to, Nobody would rather have JD. Vance as
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  Speaker 2: our nominee than Marco Rubio. Not one person.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone, I've talked to you. I haven't met a
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  Speaker 3: Republican who doesn't like Marco Rubio. I have met some
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  Speaker 3: that don't like JD. Vans, just anecdotally. But I don't
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  Speaker 3: think Marco's running me either. I think JD will be
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  Speaker 3: the nominee. I think they'll be Let me stop me.
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  Speaker 2: For a second. I agree with you, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: think Marco is running because, and maybe I'm wrong, you
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  Speaker 2: know more about this than I do. Because I think
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  Speaker 2: that's what President Trump wants. Is that not right?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's a little hard to read. I
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  Speaker 3: think in the abstract he kind of like both of
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  Speaker 3: them to runs. They can do that the thing for
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  Speaker 3: a year. Who do you guys want me to to support?
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  Speaker 3: You know, and so have both of them on a
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  Speaker 3: string and have the competition. But Marco, you know, he
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  Speaker 3: got for for all our criticisms of Trump and what
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  Speaker 3: he's done and iron lately, the Lebanon deal is fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: You know who did that? Marco Rubio. That's a real
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  Speaker 3: consequential thing. You know, He's been a really important, big
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  Speaker 3: job that he loves to be doing well at. So
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  Speaker 3: why would he you know, seven months from now, whatever
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  Speaker 3: it is, get in the rented car and drive around.
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  Speaker 2: I get it. Look and look, I love more going.
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  Speaker 2: I love him to pieces and I want him to
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  Speaker 2: be the guy. But that Lebanon deal really is really
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  Speaker 2: just struck Leblon again the last couple of days. You
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  Speaker 2: know that, right last night we hit him again, you
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  Speaker 2: know that, right we I say, we Israel, but we
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  Speaker 2: hit him again, you know that? Right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, but this is so much better than what's
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  Speaker 3: in them.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I understand, but you know, and it's it's an.
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  Speaker 3: Alliance with the Lebanese government against I know, I know,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's not it's not a magic wand, but
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  Speaker 3: it's a it's a step forward. But look, I think
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  Speaker 3: the only thing that's going to stop JD likely is
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  Speaker 3: for some reason and Trump decides he doesn't like him,
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  Speaker 3: or he wants to screw him, or he wants to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just just pull the rug out from under him.
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  Speaker 3: That's plausible. Otherwise, I think he's very likely to be
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  Speaker 3: the nominee. And the problem is can he reignite the
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  Speaker 3: Trump coalition the way Trump does? Know, no one can
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  Speaker 3: do that. Where is he going to add to the coalition?
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to see where it is. And Trump's probably
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  Speaker 3: not going to be very popular. You know, maybe there's
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  Speaker 3: an economic boom and things have changed, but probably you know,
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  Speaker 3: forty two ish approval. So it's gonna be really tough,
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  Speaker 3: and it would depend on the Democrats nominating someone who's unacceptable,
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  Speaker 3: which they very well could do.
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  Speaker 2: Final ninety seconds, which Lowry. How do you think this
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  Speaker 2: Iran thing ends and what has to happen?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I think it just kind of bumps along.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think Trump's going to wage a major war
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  Speaker 3: against them again. I think they're going to keep yanking
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  Speaker 3: our chain in the Strait of hor moves. And they
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  Speaker 3: love renegotiating things they've supposedly agreed to. So if they
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  Speaker 3: can keep us just negotiating with them about the what
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  Speaker 3: actually is happening in the strait, you don't even get
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  Speaker 3: to the nuclear stuff. And they figure next year, as
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  Speaker 3: we were alluding to earlier, Trump's gonna be really distracted
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  Speaker 3: and taken down a notch because the midterms are going
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  Speaker 3: to be terrible and then they're home free. Now, look,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of their stuff is still wrecked. It's gonna
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  Speaker 3: take a lot of time to rebuild, but they will
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  Speaker 3: have survived.
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  Speaker 2: He's got to stop at these ridiculous meetings too. Stop
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  Speaker 2: go high yesterday. And you know, I don't know Steve witkoorp.
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  Speaker 2: I know his kid, Alex. He's a nice kid. He's
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  Speaker 2: in the Holocaust Memorial Council with me. Trump appointed both
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  Speaker 2: of us. But everybody that I know that knows Steve
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  Speaker 2: Witkorp likes him. But he has no right doing these
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  Speaker 2: types of things. He's a real estate guy sitting in
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  Speaker 2: a room with a bunch of people that want to
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  Speaker 2: kill us. He has no right and the truth is
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  Speaker 2: that him and Kushner will have done nothing nothing. And
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  Speaker 2: when I hear there's a meeting coming up, I gotta
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  Speaker 2: be honest, which I start to laugh. What a waste
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  Speaker 2: of time. Enough with the stupid meetings. They are not
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  Speaker 2: going to work. And I'll say to you when I
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  Speaker 2: said to a very large Fox News audience which I
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  Speaker 2: shocked Rachel Campost, Duppy, Charlie Hurt, I know you saw
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  Speaker 2: this and grip Jenkins on Sunday morning, he on will
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  Speaker 2: never do a deal ever. And if they do a deal,
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  Speaker 2: much like they did with Obama and Kerry, they will
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  Speaker 2: never comply, never ever, ever. So let's stop with the meetings,
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  Speaker 2: Let's stop trying to pull the wool over the American's eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Let's be honest about this and either send everybody home
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  Speaker 2: and call it a day and work on the Dow
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  Speaker 2: Jones and jobs, or bomb the shizzle out of them.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. Am I wrong? Rich? That's it. I can't
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  Speaker 2: say you're wrong, but you didn't say that it was right.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think you're right. The problem is he's not
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  Speaker 3: gonna bomb the shizzle out of them. Because why not.
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  Speaker 2: Why not?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's an unpopular war, right, so he doesn't want
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  Speaker 3: to start it again. He's made a big deal about
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  Speaker 3: being being over, so it's even harder now it's over.
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  Speaker 2: To be an idiot to think it's over. How do
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  Speaker 2: you start something and not finish well?
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  Speaker 3: Because we couldn't reopen the straight of her moves, so
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  Speaker 3: he was just stuck. We're back to the word you
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  Speaker 3: used over and over again. He was stuck. So you
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  Speaker 3: had to find a way out, and he found an
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  Speaker 3: inadequate way out. And I just don't see what the
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  Speaker 3: realistic alternative is.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: What do you think comes first? I'll let you go here.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: The Iran War ends, well, the Yankees win a baseball game.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Welcome to being a Yankee. Van said. This is part
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: of the team's identity last five years, the swoon in
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: June or July. You know, we'll eventually win a game again,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: but you know, there is a scenario where this team
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: is just not as good as it seemed it was
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: at the beginning of the year. You know, if Judge
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: doesn't come back, it's a catastrophe, you know, and the
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: whole bank's over. And I love Ben Rice. Anybody's regressing
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: towards the mean. Maybe Paul Goldschmid again. You know, it
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: is kind of giving out as the month set up
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: in the calendar. You know, Austin Wells I love, but
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: apparently it's not a major league hitter. So it's bad.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, the last seven games we were averaging two
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: runs a game and four hits, and what was it
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: yesterday talking? I think we got seven hits.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and on top of that, what is going on
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: with Cam He can't pitch the last couple of games.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know when that happens, you kind of worry.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Is he really hurt?
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Is there something going on there? Or is he also
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: regressing towards the means? So we'll see. It's a long season.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: It's a long season. We can take at least some
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: enjoyment if you're a Mets hater, at which you are
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: now said in the Moon Soda playing that ball into
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: a little league calm run place, that made my whole week.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Now he's a dick. We put that in the Night Review.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Sim Rosenbrog just called one dick. We'll do this lunch
• 17:43
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• 17:45
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• 17:48
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