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Hour 1: Dave Bartoo joins us IN-STUDIO for the WHOLE show! Plus, the SEC Insider Hit. · Out of Bounds with Bo Bounds

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  Speaker 1: And on your radio at ESPN.
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  Speaker 3: rolling the cameras all three hours today. Usually we do
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  Speaker 3: about two and a half, but we're gonna get crazy,
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  Speaker 3: so we're rolling.
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  Speaker 5: Bar two was up early. He was up with the roosters.
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  Speaker 3: I have a rooster behind my house, and I mean
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  Speaker 3: he's like I don't know a few hundred yards away
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  Speaker 3: because there's anyway. And he roosters all day, and so
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  Speaker 3: Wendy and we think it's funny.
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  Speaker 5: It doesn't bothers.
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  Speaker 3: And in fact, I think it may be lewis Lerosa's house,
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  Speaker 3: who owns Lose Full Serve.
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  Speaker 5: He is a brilliant chef.
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  Speaker 3: But Wendy calls it roostering because he does it all day,
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  Speaker 3: every ten seconds. And we were floating in the water
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday and we were, you know, having a lake
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  Speaker 3: beverage and just chill it out and talking about life
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  Speaker 3: and just listening to him rooster.
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  Speaker 5: And it was like three o'clock in the afternoon. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if that's normal rooster.
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  Speaker 3: I thought they just got up with the sunshine and
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  Speaker 3: then they chilled for a minute and then they got
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  Speaker 3: back into roostering. I'm not sure. I feel like we
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  Speaker 3: will have a Southern guy that will be a rooster insider.
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  Speaker 3: In five four three two one, build a deck guy
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  Speaker 3: two is Matrix Analytical on Twitter. Is that ciprix, CFP
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  Speaker 3: matrixp on Twitter? Yeah, c FB matrix on Twitter. We
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  Speaker 3: went to Kessler Prime last night. We had a good meal.
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  Speaker 3: We met with some p ones and good friends and
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  Speaker 3: just had a just a fun whiskey sixty one feast
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  Speaker 3: is what really, that's what the brand was all about.
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  Speaker 3: Good friends, good uh drinks and damn good steaks, a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of protein and so on. Oh and Bar two
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  Speaker 3: had soft shell crab. He had fried soft sholl So
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  Speaker 3: that's not something they have all the time up in Portland.
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  Speaker 1: Just like, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Was like to have something like we don't get at home, right,
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  Speaker 3: And so the waiter was like, here's one of the specials.
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  Speaker 3: He dropped a soft shell crab on you and it
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  Speaker 3: was fantastic, delicious.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, what did you have? The New York strip?
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  Speaker 1: New York strip.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't usually go New York strip and I
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  Speaker 3: usually go Ribi or fil A. I like a New
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  Speaker 3: York strip, but that New York strip last night I
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  Speaker 3: got at Pittsburgh Rare and it was fantastic. So we
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  Speaker 3: had a good time there. So Diamond, Dave and I
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  Speaker 3: will be you know, rolling here for and straight funk.
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  Speaker 3: Jackson met us for three hours. It's gonna be a
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  Speaker 3: big time, big show. And then we'll do another three
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  Speaker 3: or four tomorrow and then we're gonna put this crazy
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  Speaker 3: you know what on a plane tomorrow afternoon because he's
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  Speaker 3: got he's got a The love Birds have to go
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  Speaker 3: to Hawaii, so he's got to he's got to get
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  Speaker 3: out of here and enjoy the water and and go
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  Speaker 3: skinny dipping out in the Pacific.
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  Speaker 5: So yesterday was.
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  Speaker 3: The first day of SEC media days. Jackson, do you
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  Speaker 3: mind pulling up the list for today? I know you
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  Speaker 3: went over it with me, but I can't remember it.
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  Speaker 3: I just remember levees in between Kiffin and Sark, which
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  Speaker 3: is hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, God, bless him.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I know Levy's a good guy, but you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about nobody caring. And and yesterday drink Witz actually
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  Speaker 3: was good and Hypel got a little you know, I
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  Speaker 3: thought that was interesting what he said about Kiffin coming
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  Speaker 3: to Knoxville and loading up on mustard and golf balls.
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  Speaker 4: He was having fun though he was right, he was
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  Speaker 4: having fun. And Greg was not having fun.
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  Speaker 3: Greg Sankey was in a foul mood, and we love
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  Speaker 3: to see people either happy or mad. If you're just
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  Speaker 3: in between, it's not interesting. So Greg's Greg woke up
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  Speaker 3: on the wrong side of the bed, even though he
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  Speaker 3: makes ten million dollars a year and gets to fly
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  Speaker 3: around on a private plane, which is great. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think Sankey's trying to figure out Bar two how
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  Speaker 3: this is all going to show. We are going to
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  Speaker 3: expand the playoff. It's just a matter of win. Greg
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  Speaker 3: Sanky and the SEC don't want twenty four teams. The
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  Speaker 3: Big ten does want twenty four teams. It sure sounds
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  Speaker 3: like the SEC wants to go to sixteen and call it.
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  Speaker 3: Bar two and I were talking this morning when I
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  Speaker 3: picked him up at the hotel, and Bartoo agrees with me,
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  Speaker 3: the G five doesn't need to be in it.
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  Speaker 1: The two.
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  Speaker 3: I recognize that we need a G five final four,
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  Speaker 3: two semi final games in a championship game. That'd be
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  Speaker 3: a ton of fun as playoffs, but they don't.
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  Speaker 5: We don't need too. Lane and James Madison.
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  Speaker 1: No, especially now with an Il.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, everything's watered down, right, and and they've already
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  Speaker 4: pulled the decent. You know, most of the good G
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  Speaker 4: six is up right, we pull up, We pulled up Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 4: and and I believe that too much of the time
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  Speaker 4: with college football is we look back on what was
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  Speaker 4: and expect that to be where it is today, right right,
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  Speaker 4: Like that Cincinnati team that went twelve and zero that
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  Speaker 4: still probably wasn't top four, was awful damn good that
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  Speaker 4: that that kind of team in the G six is
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  Speaker 4: never coming back through the door.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they want as impossible, even as good as
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  Speaker 3: they were for that time, they weren't good enough even then.
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  Speaker 4: Right But but but to have that quality of a
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  Speaker 4: team in today's nil you.
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  Speaker 5: Can't do it, That's right.
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  Speaker 4: They do not have the money to keep those players,
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  Speaker 4: no way, full stop.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 4: As much as I love the opportunity for them to
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  Speaker 4: be there, I don't want to watch it, right right, No, right, well,
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  Speaker 4: and it's and it's like we talk about going to
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  Speaker 4: twenty four games. I don't want to watch eight and
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  Speaker 4: four teams either.
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  Speaker 5: No, No, I'm with you, right, I don't need to
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  Speaker 5: see But if I am, I want them, I want
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  Speaker 5: them all to be P four.
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  Speaker 4: I know, but I don't need to see Texas A
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  Speaker 4: and M is eight and four, having lost one out
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  Speaker 4: of every three games.
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  Speaker 1: Go play a playoff game they got beat, go home,
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  Speaker 1: knock it off.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I will say this nine and three is, well,
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  Speaker 3: if we don't go to twenty four and we go
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  Speaker 3: to sixteen, nine and three is going to get in
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  Speaker 3: from the SEC in the Big ten. Yeah, because we
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  Speaker 3: got to fill Well, I'm sorry if we extrapolate, if
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  Speaker 3: they take out the G five teams, which will open
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  Speaker 3: up one or two spots more a year for the
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  Speaker 3: four conferences. Right, we're going to have nine in three teams.
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  Speaker 3: We have to Yeah, right, we mis the math, We
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  Speaker 3: have to.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're you know, you look at the history of
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  Speaker 4: the top twenty five and it's pretty rare that we
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  Speaker 4: get down to eight and four and eight and four
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  Speaker 4: Auburn gets in and it squeaked in the top twenty five. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and when it comes down to eight and
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  Speaker 4: four teams, the four lost team is always an SEC team.
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  Speaker 4: That's the way the top twenty five has always worked.
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  Speaker 4: It's gravitated towards that naturally.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I don't think a lot of people realize this
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  Speaker 1: is that.
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  Speaker 4: Over the years, over the last twenty years, I think
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  Speaker 4: we'd all agree that really the best overall depth of
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  Speaker 4: football has been the SEC. Okay, I think it's a
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  Speaker 4: whole lot less so now today than it was before.
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  Speaker 4: I think a lot of the discussion of the strength
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  Speaker 4: of the conference is rooted in what it did in
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  Speaker 4: the past, not where it is today. But you look
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  Speaker 4: at the history of the top twenty five, the AP
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  Speaker 4: Top twenty five. In the rare cases where there is
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  Speaker 4: an eight and four team, there's a slot at the
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  Speaker 4: bottom twenty four to twenty five, it's an eight and
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  Speaker 4: four team.
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  Speaker 1: It's the SEC.
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  Speaker 3: May I can remember all miss Mississippi State, Like Bar
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  Speaker 3: two said, Auburn, R A, and M teams coming in
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  Speaker 3: at eight and four. They had a night, a real
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  Speaker 3: nice year, but they were going to finish twenty four.
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  Speaker 4: All the voters are putting the better strength to schedule
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  Speaker 4: teams in there.
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  Speaker 3: Sankee said he had an unsatisfactory phone call with the
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  Speaker 3: College Football Playoff Committee on what the nine games should
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  Speaker 3: mean for the SEC.
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  Speaker 5: Bar two and back in a second.
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  Speaker 2: What before.
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  Speaker 4: The weakest plus one ever?
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  Speaker 2: Swetch you bootie, good morning to you.
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  Speaker 3: Club tomorrow. Uh Bo Bounds Dave bar two with you.
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  Speaker 3: We have ice cream drinks with us too. He made
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  Speaker 3: it here. I can't believe it. He doesn't even he
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  Speaker 3: can't believe it. He has three nicknames on the show,
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  Speaker 3: double down because at times he's a degenerate gambler, ice
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  Speaker 3: cream drinks because he drinks like a he's pledging us already,
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  Speaker 3: and straight funk because I don't remember how that one
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  Speaker 3: came about.
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  Speaker 5: But you know he likes it. He likes it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we give Jackson what he likes them. That's right,
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  Speaker 4: even though we can't get to work on time.
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  Speaker 5: But man, what about him today? Here? You were here
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  Speaker 5: kind of was it early?
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  Speaker 4: It was seven minutes before the top of the hour,
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  Speaker 4: you said a minute to two minutes before the top
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  Speaker 4: of the hour.
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  Speaker 1: He like exceeded it by three.
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  Speaker 5: He really did.
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  Speaker 1: Just knock it out of the.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 5: That's what they called me, all right.
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  Speaker 3: I did take a couple of notes last night when
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  Speaker 3: we were at dinner.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, well, I mean I need to know more about it,
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  Speaker 6: Like what else did it? I mean, did y'all get
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  Speaker 6: a plethora? Was it just everything was there?
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  Speaker 3: Well, we started with fried crab calls and to Molly's well,
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  Speaker 3: it's a good start. Yeah, that's a real good start
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  Speaker 3: and some great conversation and then uh and then everybody
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  Speaker 3: had steaks, different different cuts, and uh no, Kendall went
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  Speaker 3: soft shell crab for the entree bar two got soft
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  Speaker 3: shell crab as a side with.
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  Speaker 6: His New York strip, like a double up on the way. What, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you got a whole shell crab on there.
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  Speaker 1: They're just yeah, a little bit of everything, little cream spinach.
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  Speaker 5: It's just like getting the bacon wraps.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the bacon wrap shrimp is actually more filling
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  Speaker 3: than that. Yeah, so, I mean it's delicious, but it's.
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  Speaker 6: Did anyone order incorrect? Did anyone order something you shouldn't
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  Speaker 6: have ordered? Or away you shouldn't have ordered?
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  Speaker 2: Order?
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  Speaker 3: Now, we had a bunch of we we we had
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of professionals.
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I'm not inviting amateurs to.
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  Speaker 1: Damn Rainbow trout, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I just We're not. We're not doing that. And then
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  Speaker 3: tonight he gets the well and order whatever he wants.
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  Speaker 3: But uh, obviously file at strip Rabbi, but the bone
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  Speaker 3: and rabbit Philip.
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  Speaker 5: Ems is and oh, I gotta get in a cup
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  Speaker 5: of saffron choud.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Start even though it's it's hot, doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. You know what Philip Ms will be.
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  Speaker 3: Their condition will be pumping, always freezing in there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: feels great, it does. I didn't have an Elijah Krag
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  Speaker 3: last night. May have to have one tonight just because
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  Speaker 3: Bar two's in town, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Manhattan or old Fashioned? Not sure yet.
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  Speaker 3: I've got twelve hours to decide Bar two and I
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  Speaker 3: will probably land in Philip Ms about five fifteen this afternoon,
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  Speaker 3: and then we're gonna rip at least three, if not
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  Speaker 3: four hours tomorrow. All right, Diamond, Dave, you know what
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  Speaker 3: one thing that we brought up last night. I don't
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  Speaker 3: remember if it was you or John. I think y'all
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  Speaker 3: were in a back and forth, which is fun coaching unicorns.
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  Speaker 5: Were we talking about Mullen?
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  Speaker 1: We were talking.
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  Speaker 4: We were talking about mullin okay, about that okay, and
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  Speaker 4: how his closest.
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  Speaker 1: Guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, right, because we went for everybody who should tune
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  Speaker 4: into the YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 1: You and I did almost two hours yesterday. God, we
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  Speaker 1: did NonStop.
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  Speaker 4: And so one of the things that the database allows
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  Speaker 4: me to do is looking at coaches in a way
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  Speaker 4: I've never been able to on the fly. And we
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  Speaker 4: talked last you know the Unicorn, and what we talked
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  Speaker 4: about at the YouTube channel show yesterday had to do
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  Speaker 4: with coach effect and how Dan is one of only
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  Speaker 4: two guys so since twenty ten, Dan Mullin is one
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  Speaker 4: of two head coaches to improve the coach effect at
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  Speaker 4: three consecutive stops. So when Dan showed up at Mississippi State,
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  Speaker 4: he improved it over the guy before him. Then his
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  Speaker 4: coach effect at Mississippi State compared to Florida, it was
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  Speaker 4: better at Florida, and albeit one year at UNLB, that
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  Speaker 4: one year at UNLB was better than Florida entire time.
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  Speaker 1: So he was plus coach.
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  Speaker 4: Effect three consecutive stops at three consecutive programs. There's only
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  Speaker 4: one other guy since twenty ten. And this is why
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  Speaker 4: coaching is so hard is in college football is in general,
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  Speaker 4: is there isn't a guy that has gone up, up, up,
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  Speaker 4: outside of Dan mullum. There's one other guy that has
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  Speaker 4: gone improve, improve, improve, now was Link.
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  Speaker 3: Even and both of them coached in the State of
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  Speaker 3: Mississippi at rivals Nuts.
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  Speaker 5: That's crazy, right, it is.
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  Speaker 4: And then you think about Lane and all of the
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  Speaker 4: tribute you know, trials and tribulations he's gone through as
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  Speaker 4: a head coach.
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  Speaker 1: He still improved. Still, he had a negative.
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  Speaker 4: Coach effect before FAU at USC, but he improved.
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  Speaker 1: USC over what was there before.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then he gets to FAU and obviously after
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  Speaker 4: the first year, boom takes off. Ole Miss after the
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  Speaker 4: first year boom takes off even more.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 4: It is extremely rare to have a head coach be
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  Speaker 4: able to do that, not just at one place. It
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  Speaker 4: takes a good coach to go from good to great
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  Speaker 4: and maintain it like Dan did at Mississippi State, like
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  Speaker 4: Lane did at ole Miss and FAU and so forth,
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  Speaker 4: but to do it in three consecutive places. There's nobody
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  Speaker 4: else in the FBS that has done it since twenty ten.
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  Speaker 3: This twenty ten, Dan Mullen and Lane Kiffen one who
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  Speaker 3: coached at Mississippi State, wont at ole Miss. That is,
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  Speaker 3: what are the odds that they come through this state
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  Speaker 3: and both coach at different SEC schools within the state
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  Speaker 3: of Mississippi.
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  Speaker 5: Part two and Jay Meadows, I mean it's crazy. When
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  Speaker 5: you threw that out yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: I can't even believe this much of football, pro and
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  Speaker 3: college runs through this state, just players and different things.
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  Speaker 5: But that's wild.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, two of the coaching unicorns in the state
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  Speaker 3: of Mississippi, without a doubt, in college football and all
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  Speaker 3: of college football. Lane Keffin and Dan Mullen. Yeah yeah, now,
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  Speaker 3: and both will always be a part of the state.
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  Speaker 3: They will always be part of the fabric. Their fingerprints
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  Speaker 3: will always be here. They will be mentioned forever in
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  Speaker 3: some way, shape or form, whether people like them or
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  Speaker 3: don't like them. They had an impact of economic now
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  Speaker 3: as far as there are hundreds and hundreds of millions
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  Speaker 3: of dollars of impact on start on Oxford.
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  Speaker 5: That's insane.
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  Speaker 3: What Dan and Dak did, What Lane and Corral, Slash
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  Speaker 3: Dark and Trinidad did, good gosh.
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  Speaker 5: Just and it was at the right time.
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  Speaker 3: With new media and more access and more streaming and
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  Speaker 3: all that you get every single game, even when you
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  Speaker 3: play lomon Roe and Wafford. So it's kind of crazy,
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  Speaker 3: bo Bound stay bar two with you coaching unicorns in
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  Speaker 3: this state. I start with Lane one and Dan one A.
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  Speaker 3: But they're the two best ever and we also talked
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  Speaker 3: about how player evaluation.
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  Speaker 5: Has never been more important.
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  Speaker 3: It's an eye roll with some of the college football fans,
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  Speaker 3: but with the portal and you got to go so fast,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: you know again, I referenced it last night, and bar
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Two's talked to a million coaches over the years. I'll
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: never forget what Tony Hughes told me about Dan Mullen.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: And Tony coach did old Miss, Southern Miss and Mississippi
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: State and had a ton of success and was with
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many winning teams. But he said,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I never seen anybody in the film room that can
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: turn on film and say, yeah, he can play. Now,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: he's going to play a different position, but he can
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: play once we get him up here and he gets
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: five meals a day and gets.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: In the weight room. Da da da da da.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Dan just had a now and kiffin'sahelva an evaluator too,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I mean Quinn Shaun Judkins. I mean, we could go
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: on and on, but there's a running back out of
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Alabama that Bama nor Auburn wanted and Lane took him
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: and he ended up being a superstar.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: There's plenty more.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: Well, you look at player development, look at Signetti, right,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: do we have any better? Because I don't think a
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: lot of people realize Kurt Signetti kind of built some
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: rosters at Alabama for Nick Saban, who just you know,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: kind of like, you know, maybe some of the best
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: teams ever this century.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and then left to go to iupa
• 19:35
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• 21:34
  Speaker 3: And of course straight Funk is with us too, and
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: we were just glad he got here. He's pretty locked
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: in and Bar two is celebrating Vanderbilt on the set,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: so he went and grabbed the Vanderbilt helmet this morning
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: and it hasn't been on set in a while.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: I guess last year.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe Vanderbilt and Diego won a big game or two,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I mean they won ten games. And uh, Bar two
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: on the way to the studio this morning said bartwo,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: you go ahead, what'd you say about?
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Well, talking about strength to schedule and the quality of
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: the conference is so forth and one of you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: one of my immediate thoughts is how good is the
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: conference where the absolute dead last, historically worst recruiter wins
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: ten games?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: How good is the conference? Right?
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know Duke wins the ACC oh ACC
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: socks right, you know, Duke's in the top twenty five
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: acy se socks. Virginia is the top twenty five ACC socks.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: You know, big, big ten, big twelve, right, Arizona a
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: team that recruits in the fifties.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Right, Oh, oh oh, the big the big ten, so
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: big twelve socks, right right.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: So Vanderbilt the way you framed it up, I'd not
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: thought about that. I mean, Vanderbilt went ten and two
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: last year. It goes to show you how weak the conference.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Was, exactly.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: And not only were they ten and two, okay, they
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: they were the number one scoring efficiency offense in the
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: entire conference. How about that they were the number ones Okay, okay,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Because and we've talked about this before many times, is
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: one of the one of the lines in the sand
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: for a national champion. Last twenty six national champions two
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: thousand through twenty twenty five, Okay, at the end of
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: the regular season, every single national champ at the end
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: of the regular season is top three in scoring efficiency
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: on offense and.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Or defense, and sometimes both top three, okay.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Right, not top five, not top seven, top three, I
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: mean elite. And the only thing Oklahoma was not top three,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: they were the best defense. They were number four, And
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Vanderbilt was top three in scoring efficiency offense last year
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: at number three, right behind number two Indiana. That was
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: your only national championship level offense or defense last year
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: was with the worst recruiter in the conference. But no,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: we're gonna go sos, We're gonna go Wells conferences tough
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: as hell. Yet the worst recruiter put up the best
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: offense in the entire conference. I think we need to
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: rewire expectations and drop pre nil bs.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: So the last I've said it on the show, the
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: last two or three years, it's never been a better
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: time to be good because of the fractured, splintered, huge
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: transition of the portal. Exactly to your point, And an
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: example is the lowest rated recruiter in the Southeastern Conference
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: by a pretty good margin. The Vanderbilt Commodorees went ten
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: to two last year and had the number one offense
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: scoring efficiency in the conference.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's even over Lane.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Even over Kirby, even over Hypel, even over arc whatever,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: right the boor Ryan grip, but you're looking at Yeah,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I mean it's the equivalent of Rutgers leading the Big
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Ten in offense or defense.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't thought about that.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Let's put it in that Layman story. It's the equivalent
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: of Rutgers going ten and two in the Big Ten
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: and leading the Big Ten in offense for defense one.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Pick one defense, right, pick one? I mean, and then
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: what do we think of the Big Ten?
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Then well then we we take shots at it doors
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: right right?
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: I think it does speak to the volumes that the
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: depth of talent is eroded. There's no team today that's
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: as good as they were years ago.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: You mentioned the Georgia Bama teams, right.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, these are the old the Bama teams. Uh smart,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: you know, twenty one twenty two right there on the edge.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, they would kick the living but Jesus out
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: of everybody in the SEC. So so getting up there
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: and talking about what the SEC used to be in
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: relation to where it is today, I think it's a
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: poor conversation. I think it's selection bias using what happened
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: before to apply to where it is today. And I
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: think we can use the same argument too to get
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: rid of the G six in the playoffs, those Cincinnata,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: that Cincinnati team that went twelve to zero is never
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: coming back through that door. They're never retaining that talent
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: long enough to be that good, you know, and even
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: be competitive. So I think there's a lot of dialogue
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: that could be had because of NIL over the last
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: four or five years and how it's changed the talent
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: landscape and the continuity landscape and really is erod at
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: all levels of college football across the board.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: And Greg Sanky was he just wasn't a happy camper.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: You know, you're in Tampa, Florida, You're not paying for anything.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: You flew down on a private jet. You make a
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: million dollars a month. Life's not bad. Probably went on
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: a pretty cool vacation at some point this summer. He
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: was cranky Sanky.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Who's who? I'm trying to figure out? Who sold them
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: a bill of goods on going to nine?
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, that's right.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Who sold the bill of goods? Somebody had to because
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: you and I on this show.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I've been on the show for over a decade, and
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: how many times have I said over the years, don't
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: go to nine?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: The numbers backed it up. Don't go to nine, stay
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: at eight, make everybody come down to you.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Eight is way better.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: And as a fan, I would much rather have an
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: eight two and two schedule, which is eight sec games,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: two Power four non conference and two cupcake and eterers whatever, right, right.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I'd rather do it that way.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: That would give me a good SOS too, and it'd
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: really defined who's good or not. And I think i'd
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: be exciting. But we've said, don't go to nine. Don't
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: do it. It's a bad idea. Strength of schedule doesn't
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: mean anything. It doesn't find the quality of the team.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: It's the last thing the playoff committee uses in terms
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: of segmenting teams.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Don't do it. Don't do it, And here we are.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: They did it, And I want to know who talked
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: everybody into it. I got a couple of theories, so
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: I would look a here, so the presidents run the
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: deal and they make the boat on, you know, with
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: other people involved.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I guess ESPN Disney sweeten the pot enough. I don't
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: know what that was. Has it beneficially announced? It was
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: a ten million more team, twelve million more team. I
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: think post COVID athletic directors and presidents got scared to death.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: And then with the portal, they're trying to figure out
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: how they can pay for men's basketball, women's basketball, and
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: college baseball, whichever one's more important. On that campus or
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: two of the three, right, how long would just give
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: some of the other sports, you know, one hundred thousand
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: and two whatever their budget is, and softball and some others.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: And so I think that's it.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I think they look at it and they're like, it
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: was a money grap It was it. Disney and ESPN,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: who now house all of the sec inventory, gave X
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: amount for the ninth for.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: All none.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, So so it's a money grab. So we want
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: our cake and eat it too. Then absolutely I want
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: the money, but I don't want the penalty of going
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: to nine games. That's what we're talking about, right, And
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: here we are, we're talking about the penalty of nine games.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: And Media day has been ensnared with SOS talk the
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: entire first day, right, you know, and we've said a
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: million times on this show. Everybody listening right now knows
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: that strength of schedule has absolutely nothing to do with
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: the quality of a team, zero correlation with the quality
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: of the team. And but here we are, suddenly strength
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: of schedule is the most important thing to talk about.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Last year, it wasn't, right, I mean, can you imagine that?
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: You know, you look at Vanderbilt scaled a right, could
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: you imagine if Old Miss was ten and two last year,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Vanderbilt was ten and two last year, and Vanderbilt gets
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: in because they got a better strength to schedule?
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Right, wait till that happens.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: That would have burned some people up right, Wait till
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: that happens or Vanderbilt. What about Vanderbilt getting in over
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: lsu a Big or Georgia because of what your strength
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: up schedule?
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I'm doing that in AIRPLA air quotes a strength to schedule,
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: you know, And so I don't mind the way the
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: playoff committee has been using it, which is to separate
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: equal teams at the end, right, you have the equal
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: number of quality wins. You got equal number of top
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: twenty five wins. You know, you're ten and two. You're
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: both ten and two. Who has a better strength to schedule?
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Maybe they both get in, But one is the seventh
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: seed with a better SOS and one is the eight seed.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: And then the other thing is, we don't nobody's talking
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: about how do you calculate strength to schedule? I could
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: sit here and show you a hundred different ways.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: To catch it, right, I see your nine thousand spreadsheets,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: and then we could manipulate.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: It right, you can't.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: One of the easiest things that manipulate is the strength
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: of schedule ranking, because you could just start tweaking the
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: dials until it comes out the way you want it right, which.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Danny Kanal has said yesterday that the SEC doesn't play anybody,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: so oh my god, he made he made sure to
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: jump on on the bandwagon that evidently there's there's no
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: more talent. Since we've lost three national championship well we
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: hadn't played for them, but since we haven't won a
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: national championship in three years, Canal's like, this league's garbage.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well you know something, how about they're all garbage.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Nobody plays anybody until this.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Well, that's your whole thing. You would like to And
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: I get where you're going.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm trying to figure out if you're you know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: if you're totally right, who knows who is? But I
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: get what you're You want more teams to play each
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: other cross P four conference to try to get an
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: idea on who the best teams are by the time
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: we go in to the college football player, well, right, right,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: and and as do you want to see Oregon and
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Georgia or because.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Even Oregon and Oklahoma State and Georgia and BYU, I
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: don't care, you know. I mean, I didn't like the
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Pac twelve blowing up and going to the Big Ten.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: But I will say as a fan going to Auta
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: now and seeing Michigan or Indiana kick our ass or
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Northwestern or all these different ones, it's great.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: It really is. And I'm like, okay.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: And then from a strength of schedule standpoint, a lot
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: of people try to compare college basketball to college football,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: which is a bit silly because look at the non conference.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: Schedule of basketball. Oh, you got.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: What twelve fourteen, sixteen games before January?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: One huge crossover, right, we.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Can feed that Kansas and Kentucky play. We have the
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: SEC versus the Big twelve or Big ten. It's hell,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: it's a turn you know, not a tournament, but it's
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: a whatever. Yeah, we have all kinds.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Of all that stuff.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: And so to me, to get accurate, the the fewer
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: games that we play non conference, the worst the strength
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: of schedule model gets. Right, think about our think about
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: our data points. Right, if the if the SEC, I
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: mean they just pulled out of Arizona State, LSU, Washington, Tennessee.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: You know, and which is so the that's going away?
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so show they added a ninth conference game.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Day Bar two bo bounds on the Out of Bounds show.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: We don't want to leave out straight funk. He's running
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: the show. You're listening to ESPN one oh five nine
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: the Zone. If you would like to ask day Bar
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: two a question about your coach or OC or DC,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: like a ranking, rating, grade, or your schedule or something
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: like that, head coach all that hit us up on
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: the Dancing Rabbit Golf text line six oh one eight
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: eight five three seven seven six. Where Bar two's going
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: with LSU canceling the Arizona State Series and Georgia canceling
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: the Washingtonton series is it's it looks to be obvious
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: that the league is now going to pull back on
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: the mandated power for non conference game going forward, whatever
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: year that is, while going to none, because they're not
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: going to ever drop the night. Once you go to
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: non conference games, you're not going back now.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: I don't think so either, you know, unless there is
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: some sort of crazy right yeah, and unless there's some
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: sort of everybody gets together and drops to eight at
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: the same time, right right. They gotta they gotta have
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: a you know, memorandum of understanding. Basically, we're gonna all
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: do this uh and it and it sucks though that
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: with with everybody at nine. Uh and let's say that
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: P four requirement non conference is dropped, which which is fine,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: I understand it to try to.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Be the Big Ten doesn't have it right the way
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: they're trying to level the playing field.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: But what it's also taking away is data points, which
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: makes strength of schedule impos I mean, it's impossible to
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: come up with a good one, it really really is.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: But the first thing is get the G five teams
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: out of the College Football Playoff and then figure out
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: if we're going to go to sixteen, twenty or twenty four.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: The SEC wants sixteen, the Big Ten wants twenty four,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: and I don't know if that means they'll land at
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: twenty or who's gonna balk or how this is this
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: is going to look going forward. But we go to
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: non conference games, which is not going to be good
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: for anybody in the league. As far as losses, you
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: said it average, it'll average a half a loss to
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: a lost stage team.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's going to impact the lesser talent injury
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: teams that year.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: So we're the most injured, We're the most injury prone league.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Is that right?
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Yes? You are?
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Starts lost per snap, starts lost per snap.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: The Southeastern Conference is number one, number one, Okay.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Right, And.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Now that I haven't done the research on that last
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: couple of years, it may have shifted because number two
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: was the Big Ten, but then the Big Ten went
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: to nine conference games. Okayuh, and so, but it's always
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: been the SEC. SEC is number one in that ten
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: year research that I did. And when you look at
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: it though, they were also number one in average height
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: and weight on the field. Right, Okay, it's it's simple physics.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Sure is fource s equals masstime acceleration. You got bigger
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: bodies moving just as fast as everybody else.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: You are getting more injuries.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: And to compare it to the NFL, this is this
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: will show you the violence of the NFL is with
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  Speaker 4: the With the SEC, you lose about one start per
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  Speaker 4: player per season. In the NFL, you lose three guys
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  Speaker 4: for the entire season the the equivalent. So for for
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  Speaker 4: every one start lost in the SEC due to injury,
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  Speaker 4: there is one guy that loses the entire season in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL. The NFL is essentially just it's it's like
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  Speaker 4: nine times more violent in terms of injury.
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  Speaker 1: Good. But it's all the biggest, fastest guys.
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  Speaker 5: I get it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you can tell you know, we're we all
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  Speaker 3: watch I Binge watched twelve hours of college football on Saturday.
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  Speaker 5: Not that I know, but it's fun. You see it.
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  Speaker 3: But man, when you turn on the NFL on Sunday, good,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the difference is night and day.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the first and then you look at yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you look at that injury record too. Is it is
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  Speaker 4: in lockstep with the size of the conference. It's the
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  Speaker 4: SEC in Big ten, and then you then it drops
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  Speaker 4: down to the ACC and then it drops down to well,
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  Speaker 4: it was the PAC twelve, and then.
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  Speaker 1: The Big twelve was the least injured.
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  Speaker 4: And then you get into your G sixes, which had
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  Speaker 4: three hundred percent less it was like one in three
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  Speaker 4: at the injury rate at the G six you were
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  Speaker 4: you were three times more likely to get injured and
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  Speaker 4: lose a start in the Power four than the G
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  Speaker 4: six and about that.
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  Speaker 1: Then then then it's still up again to the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: So hold on, all right, So we got to switch
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  Speaker 3: gears because we've got five minutes here and I want
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  Speaker 3: to do Lane versus John David Baker. Oh okay, all right,
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  Speaker 3: of Pearl River Resort. So we're going to do a
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  Speaker 3: Lane versus John David Baker over the next four or
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  Speaker 3: five minutes here. Lane was the offensive coordinator slash maybe
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  Speaker 3: wiss in Oxford, and now John David Baker is the
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  Speaker 3: OC in Oxford.
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  Speaker 5: He had two years experience at.
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  Speaker 3: East Carolina one good, one bad, kind of like Levey
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  Speaker 3: at Oklahoma one good, one bad, and and at Missippi
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  Speaker 3: State Leby's had one bad one Oh okay.
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  Speaker 4: Oh oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, Wait a minute,
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  Speaker 4: wait a minute. Well, let's not get over our skis.
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  Speaker 4: John David Baker good and bad is not Jeff Leby
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  Speaker 4: good and bad at Oklahoma. Jeff Lebby good and bad
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  Speaker 4: at Oklahoma was awful and awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay.
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  Speaker 4: John David Baker was really good and still pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Now, his his second year at East Carolina was a
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  Speaker 4: big drop off, specifically in explosiveness. It was the least
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  Speaker 4: explosive offense in the country last year. But we can
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  Speaker 4: take a look at play calling traits and that's what
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  Speaker 4: that Let's do that breakdown. We can break down run. Actually,
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  Speaker 4: I can remember how I said, I got a bunch
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  Speaker 4: of data. I have my fingertips. Now, yeah, I can
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  Speaker 4: do this with anybody in the country since twenty ten. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: so Kiffin and Baker in twenty twenty five, and we
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  Speaker 4: can go any direction you want with this. But let's
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  Speaker 4: start with overall tempo. Yeah, okay, Bake, Baker's a little
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  Speaker 4: bit quicker.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Now this does not take into this takes into
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  Speaker 1: account garbage time.
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  Speaker 4: So Ole miss was awful good last year, right, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: they had a lot of garbage time. Lane could slow
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  Speaker 4: it down in the fourth quarter whenever he wanted to. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: ECU one is good. They play They pretty played pretty
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  Speaker 4: up tempo. So Baker last year was averaging a snap
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  Speaker 4: every twenty one seconds, okay, twenty one point two, Kiffin
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  Speaker 4: twenty three point two. Okay, so a couple seconds faster, right, So,
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  Speaker 4: so so I expect compound that. I expect John David
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  Speaker 4: Baker to be running a little bit faster offense, maybe
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  Speaker 4: not as quick in year one, because there's got to
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  Speaker 4: be a comfortable, comfortable level of sec play. Right he's
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  Speaker 4: in East Carolina. Well, you know it's it's tomato. It's
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  Speaker 4: not tomato Tomato. I mean it is two totally different leagues.
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  Speaker 4: There snaps per game though averages out about the same.
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  Speaker 4: Baker is going to push about four and a half
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  Speaker 4: five more snaps, so basically an extra drive is going
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  Speaker 4: to go on Pete Golden's defense. Okay, okay, uh so,
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  Speaker 4: so slightly faster, few more snaps, but running the hurry
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  Speaker 4: up Temple's let's I'll jump into tempo distribution. Okay, so
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  Speaker 4: we know John David is going a little bit quicker
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  Speaker 4: than Kiffen, but what is the tempo distribution?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 4: John David Baker runs a hurry up offense, snapping the
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  Speaker 4: ball with fifteen seconds or more left on the clock.
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  Speaker 4: He's he does that about thirty percent of the time
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  Speaker 4: last year thirty point one percent. Kiffen twenty seven point two.
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  Speaker 4: So Baker this kind of goal was locked in steps.
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  Speaker 4: He's he's running faster, He's using the hurry up more.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: The big difference is the fast fifteen to twenty seconds
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  Speaker 4: have have he roted on the play clock. Kiffin snaps
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  Speaker 4: at about fourteen percent of the time, Baker at twenty
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  Speaker 4: point three. So you are going to see more than
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  Speaker 4: half of the snaps with Baker versus about forty percent
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  Speaker 4: of the snaps with Lane. They're snapping this with only
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  Speaker 4: twenty seconds or less eroded on the playclock. Okay, so
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  Speaker 4: you've got more tempo there, and then as it goes
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  Speaker 4: down when you start talking about grinding it out, this
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  Speaker 4: is where Kiffyn kind of really slows it down.
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  Speaker 1: When he is ending a game.
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  Speaker 4: Nearly thirty percent of his snaps were there was a
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  Speaker 4: thirty seconds of roted from the play clock. Wow, over
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  Speaker 4: thirty thirty percent. A lot of people think Lane is
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  Speaker 4: really really up tempo, but nearly one out of every
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  Speaker 4: three snaps he had last year, the play clock had run.
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  Speaker 1: Down thirty seconds already.
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  Speaker 4: How about that right where John David Baker is only
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  Speaker 4: at twenty four percent.
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  Speaker 1: So you got a lot more temp, you got a
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  Speaker 1: lot more pace.
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  Speaker 4: Kiffin has more of a distribution of pace of play.
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  Speaker 3: He's got an incredible feel game, which is really hard
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  Speaker 3: to yeah it is, but you look at Kiffin and
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  Speaker 3: if you and you look at the running numbers we
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  Speaker 3: talked about yesterday too.
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  Speaker 1: You know the run