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Finding Chase Massner ep. 7: His wife speaks · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Finding Chase Masner Episode seven. This week marks three years
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Speaker 1: since her son, Chase Massner vanished in Cobb County. Living
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Speaker 1: the last three years with the not knowing and without
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Speaker 1: him here is pure hell. Chase Massner isn't a Rock
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Speaker 1: War veteran, a husband, a father. His wife told us
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Speaker 1: she dropped them off at a quickstrip in Cobb County,
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Speaker 1: where he works. His family says he was last seen
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Speaker 1: at a friend's house in Kennesaw three years ago on March.
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Speaker 1: It's like he vanished from that home, not to be
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Speaker 1: seen or heard from again. If he was able to
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Speaker 1: reach out to any one of us, he would, he would.
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Speaker 1: Despite some intense searching, few clues have been found. She
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Speaker 1: tells me that as a mother, in her heart, she
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Speaker 1: feels her son Chase is dead. We have absolutely no
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Speaker 1: answers at all, not even the slightest clue in three years.
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Speaker 1: I've lived the last three years not knowing, and every
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Speaker 1: single day it's just help. Can you imagine going to
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Speaker 1: sleep every single night wondering where is your son? Is
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Speaker 1: he dead? Is he alive? Is he somewhere calling your name,
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Speaker 1: needing you, needing help? Is he in pain? Is he dead?
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Speaker 1: Is he alive, the child you spent your life raising,
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Speaker 1: poured all of your hopes, all of your dreams into
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Speaker 1: and somehow, just like that, it's just gone as that
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Speaker 1: all the years and all the love never happened. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is crime stories, and that is what
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Speaker 1: has happened to a young, handsome Iraqi war vett U
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Speaker 1: s soldier, Chase Master. We are devoted to finding Chase.
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Speaker 1: The mystery surrounding the disappearance of this young man, a
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Speaker 1: husband and a father, a son, really hit home with
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Speaker 1: me when I met his mother, Stephanie Gadina. The first
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Speaker 1: several weeks, they were not actively investigating because, in their words,
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Speaker 1: it's not a crime to be missing. If he wanted
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Speaker 1: to walk away, it's not a crime. Every day she
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Speaker 1: looks at her son's picture. Every day she wonders, where
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Speaker 1: is he? What happened? What can I do to find him?
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Speaker 1: And I put myself in that spot, and I can
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Speaker 1: imagine myself just running out the door like a wild animal,
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Speaker 1: screaming to the neighborhood. Have you seen John David? Have
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Speaker 1: you seen Lucy? And at a certain point when you
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Speaker 1: can't cry anymore and you can't speak, anymore, and your
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Speaker 1: voice is cracked and you've got nobody to turn to.
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Speaker 1: You just go numb. I just want another truth. I
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Speaker 1: want to know what happened to Chase. Do you believe
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Speaker 1: Chase is still alive? I do not? Now are you
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Speaker 1: saying that with your heart and your head? Or yes?
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Speaker 1: I don't believe he's alife. Can you think of a
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Speaker 1: reason that anyone would have wanted him dead? Not a
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Speaker 1: single reason. Would you be willing to forego a prosecution
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Speaker 1: in exchange for knowing what happened to Chase? Absolutely, I'm not.
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get revenge or get anyone in trouble,
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Speaker 1: and it's just trying to find justice for Chase. We
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Speaker 1: have to talk to Brad. That's the missing link here.
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Speaker 1: Now we know he has refused to polygraph and then
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Speaker 1: stated again he will take a polygraph. I'm going looking
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Speaker 1: for him, Okay, armed with nothing but my iPhone, and
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Speaker 1: I am going to find him. I'm gonna ask him
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Speaker 1: what happened. I'm gonna see what story he's gonna tell me,
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Speaker 1: and we'll take it from there. We found Brad Clements.
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Speaker 1: We found him. I beat on his door. He opened
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Speaker 1: the door and he let me in, take me through
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Speaker 1: what happened that when he goes missing. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: really not that much Like it's like everybody says, I
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Speaker 1: like change my story and all this stuff, and it's
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Speaker 1: like that was like what I did that day, you know,
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Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't really anything to do with Chase.
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Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I ran a bunch of
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Speaker 1: errands what I was doing, you know, most time when
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Speaker 1: I was fixing up my house, like he was there
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Speaker 1: that night and then you know, basically left some time
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Speaker 1: between when I was coming back from the store to
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Speaker 1: when I started cooking, Like I mean, he had to
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Speaker 1: act like I mean, that's the only logical thing what
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Speaker 1: became of Chase Masner, A handsome young Iraqi war Vett
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Speaker 1: who comes home to reestablish his family with his wife,
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Speaker 1: a beautiful young woman, Amanda Masner. They're two little girls,
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Speaker 1: and then he goes missing. There's no way some sort
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Speaker 1: of foul play was not involved in this guy's disappearance.
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Speaker 1: We managed to track down the wild card, Brad Clements,
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Speaker 1: who allegedly was the last person with Chase Masner. But
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Speaker 1: there's always been the unknown, and that is his wife, Amanda,
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Speaker 1: who has cut off, contact, cut off, the phones, packed up,
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Speaker 1: moved away with the children. Why joining us now? Finally
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Speaker 1: she speaks, Amanda Masner, I, Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for what you are doing and thank you
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Speaker 1: for being our partner. Finally I get to meet me,
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Speaker 1: Amanda Masner. Did you do you go buy? Amanda Masma?
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Speaker 1: How old are your girls now? Adeline's four? And soon
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Speaker 1: you will be sending into how long has it been
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Speaker 1: since Chase were missing? Three years? A little over March?
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Speaker 1: That's right, was the last day I saw him? It
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Speaker 1: was official March twenty seven. That's interesting that you say
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Speaker 1: that's the last day that you saw him, because we
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Speaker 1: really don't know. Was it that day the next day?
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Speaker 1: What exactly happened? Do you believe even if you and
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Speaker 1: Chase were having an argument or not getting along at
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Speaker 1: the time, do you believe Chase would have gone this
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Speaker 1: long without contacting the girls? No? I don't know either.
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Speaker 1: What did the girls ask about Daddy. They don't. They're
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Speaker 1: at peace with it. Do they believe he's dead? Why? Um,
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Speaker 1: they came to terms with it on their own time.
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Speaker 1: I mean, why would they believe he's dead instead of missing.
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Speaker 1: I think that they and their heart feel the same
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Speaker 1: thing that he wouldn't go this long without contacting. Have
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Speaker 1: they verbally expressed that? And obviously they've done counseling, They've
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Speaker 1: done all the steps for pre counseling, and not Adeline
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Speaker 1: as much. Adeline doesn't remember, but Sydney m hm. And
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Speaker 1: so I really feel Adeline just kind of absorbs Sydney's feelings,
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Speaker 1: so she takes on Sydney's recollections and feelings. Okay, when
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Speaker 1: you look back on Chase's disappearance, what do you what
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Speaker 1: is your feeling about the times surrounding him going missing?
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Speaker 1: What do you think happened? Really, it depends on the day,
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Speaker 1: depends on my emotions that day. There's I mean, what
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Speaker 1: I think happened. I have a thousand different things that
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Speaker 1: I could think happened. So what do you think any
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Speaker 1: better than anybody, You're one of the last people to
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Speaker 1: talk to him, What do you think happened? You know, Honestly,
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Speaker 1: I've decided that I'm not going to put a stamp
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Speaker 1: on what I think happened. I'm just not because that
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Speaker 1: you put a stamp on it, because it it changes
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Speaker 1: and I could say, oh, I think that it was this,
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Speaker 1: and then a couple of weeks later I'll be like, no, no,
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Speaker 1: I think it was this. What Piers have you worked
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Speaker 1: there in your mind? Honestly, Nancy, I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: go there. Well, it's not healthy for me. Um, it's not.
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Speaker 1: I learned a long time ago that without knowing for
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Speaker 1: sure facts all it does it it tears me apart.
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Speaker 1: And so long ago I gave to God the fact
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Speaker 1: that he knows for sir, and God gave to me
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Speaker 1: the peace that I don't have to know. And every
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Speaker 1: time I go down the road of well this could
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Speaker 1: have happened, or this could have happened, or this could
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Speaker 1: have happened, I mean, it's devastating to me and it
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Speaker 1: doesn't do me any good. There are investigators and there
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Speaker 1: are people out there that is their job. There are
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Speaker 1: people like you that I feel God is using. And
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Speaker 1: I have facts that I am more than willing to
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Speaker 1: share with everybody. I have details, but I'm happy to
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Speaker 1: give you and give detectives, but my feelings and going
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Speaker 1: down these different scenario was in my mind, that doesn't
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Speaker 1: bring me to a healthy place to be a mom
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Speaker 1: or the kids that Chase left behind. That doesn't bring
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Speaker 1: me to a healthy place to be stable for them
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Speaker 1: or to be able to look at them and talk
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Speaker 1: to them about their dad. And so I I have
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Speaker 1: closed the door on that part of my mind and
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Speaker 1: made a decision that my feelings about what happened are
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Speaker 1: all there in my life right now. And it's not
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Speaker 1: because I don't care. It's because I care for more
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Speaker 1: than anybody. Obviously, no scenario is good at all. Chase
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Speaker 1: had mental illness and it wasn't PTSD like people like
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Speaker 1: to try to play it off like it was. Yes,
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Speaker 1: the military played a role in making his bipolar disorder worse,
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Speaker 1: but Chase had bipolar disorder before the military. All the
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Speaker 1: military experiary institute was making worse. When you say the
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Speaker 1: military experience, did he actually see action? No, not serious action.
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Speaker 1: You know, people ask me a lot. Did you go
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Speaker 1: to the scene where your fiancee was murdered? Have you
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Speaker 1: been to his grade, have you gone through his footsteps
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Speaker 1: that day to find out more about his murder. Have
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Speaker 1: you read the trial transcript? No, I haven't because it
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Speaker 1: is so devastating for me to do that. I could
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Speaker 1: easily slide back into a depression that I can't get
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Speaker 1: out of for I don't know how long, and I
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Speaker 1: mean a dark depression. And I have children now. I
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Speaker 1: can't let myself do that. And I would, I know
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Speaker 1: I would. It's been many, many years since Keith was murdered.
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Speaker 1: So when you're so sing this, don't feel like it's
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Speaker 1: just you. A lot of people go through the same thing.
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Speaker 1: I don't want a way to try child's transcript and
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Speaker 1: find out what exactly Kate lived to him when he
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Speaker 1: was murdered. Why I even think about it. It's hard
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Speaker 1: enough all these years later, I'm trying to figure out.
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Speaker 1: You said he did not see serious action. Where was
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Speaker 1: he stationed. He was stationed in Fort Riley technically, yeah,
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Speaker 1: which is in Kansas. He spent one year, left less
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Speaker 1: than one year. He had disciplinary reaction the first couple
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Speaker 1: of months, so he didn't get to go right away.
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Speaker 1: So it's about nine months that he spent directed, so
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Speaker 1: he was in a rock for nine months. Why do
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Speaker 1: you say he did not see serious action. I mean
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Speaker 1: he never got blown up, He was never in I
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Speaker 1: never saw anybody get shot. He wasn't injured. I mean
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Speaker 1: he but there are things that everybody that gets dimployed
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Speaker 1: goes through, having to leave home, leave your family, have
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Speaker 1: friends that do get shot and killed or blown up,
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Speaker 1: or get mortars or shot at your camp you're in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the desert. I mean, those are things
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Speaker 1: you wake up in the middle of night, you have
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Speaker 1: to run and you know, going to buggers because there
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Speaker 1: are mortars coming to your damn. Those are things that
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Speaker 1: are traumatizing. Those are things that you don't think about,
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Speaker 1: but that those are things that everybody that goes to
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Speaker 1: battle experience. It's a war. You mentioned that he had
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Speaker 1: mental illness. Did you know for instance, his mom said,
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Speaker 1: and France said, they don't know of that kind of
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Speaker 1: mental illness, and he was always carefree and happy, go
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Speaker 1: lucky around them. What you're giving me a knowing smile, like, yes,
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Speaker 1: you're aware of those comments. What mental illness did he
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Speaker 1: have that only you knew about? It's not only me
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Speaker 1: mhm um. Bipolar disorder for people that are familiar with it,
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Speaker 1: one of the characteristics of bipolar disorder is that people
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Speaker 1: that have it are very very good at putting up
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Speaker 1: that wall and that front and not letting people pass it,
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Speaker 1: and they will be whatever type of person that they
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Speaker 1: want people to see. And when Chase, before Chase went
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Speaker 1: into the military, he did seem like a very carefree person.
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Speaker 1: All through high school, he was a care free person.
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Speaker 1: And Chase was a self medicated person, and he was
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Speaker 1: very very private and there were very few people that
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Speaker 1: he let into his life. When you say self medicated,
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Speaker 1: I mean, how could his mom not even now, with
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Speaker 1: all due respect, I'm not going to talk about chasing
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Speaker 1: his mom's relationship respect, Okay, let me then ask you this,
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Speaker 1: why how do you believe that Chase hid it from
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Speaker 1: his mother. I'm not gonna talk about his monster in
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Speaker 1: his relationship, Okay, I'm asking you about Chase. Okay. Did
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Speaker 1: he hide his mental condition from other people? Yeah? Absolutely? Okay,
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Speaker 1: was hest on paper and medicated. When you say medicated,
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Speaker 1: you mean a prescribed medication with you what your drink.
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Speaker 1: You guys had a lot of arguments over what Yeah,
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Speaker 1: people say, we had a lot of arguments. And that's
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Speaker 1: what his friends said. That's where that comes from So
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Speaker 1: they got that from him. What friends did chase Hut,
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Speaker 1: you don't know you were married to him. I know,
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Speaker 1: but I would like to know what friends? People? Other
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Speaker 1: people think chase him? So you ask him, may who
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Speaker 1: were your husband's friends? Well, I guess I would start
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Speaker 1: with the people that he worked with, right, So what friends?
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Speaker 1: I'm just curious because let me rephrase them. Because workers
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Speaker 1: say that they heard you guys arguing a lot over
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Speaker 1: the phone, that they saw the text that you would
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Speaker 1: send him about arguments, that you would put him out
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Speaker 1: of the car when he wasn't in the middle of
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Speaker 1: an argument and laid him. And that's an argument. When
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Speaker 1: you put your spouse out of the car and leave,
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Speaker 1: that's an argument. And all of that, everything that they're
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Speaker 1: stating was one instance, one time. They're all referring to
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Speaker 1: that one time, and all of those things that people
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Speaker 1: have stated Unfortunately over time and through rumor mills, and
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Speaker 1: the way that social media and gossip work is it
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Speaker 1: gets elaborated over and over and over again. Two one
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Speaker 1: argument or two arguments turns into extreme marital issues and
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Speaker 1: a horrible marriage full of problems where bipolar disorder, mental illness, episodes,
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Speaker 1: drug use, alcoholism, all of those things. I mean you're
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Speaker 1: drug use with pot? No? Oh him, yeah, because I
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Speaker 1: mean there was pot at your house. Yeah, so your
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Speaker 1: drug use or his drug use his okay. Well, the
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Speaker 1: day that he hadn't he been staying at his mom's
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Speaker 1: because y'all are having arguments policy staying at his pums.
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Speaker 1: And he went to his mom's on Sunday and left
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, so he was not there very long. Well,
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Speaker 1: he stayed there that sending Monday, Tuesday in life Wednesday. Correct.
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Speaker 1: Why because he was having so many episodes and we
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Speaker 1: were fighting, and that is factual. Fine saw that circled
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Speaker 1: back to my original question, fighting about what about his
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Speaker 1: mental illness? And that is what keeps getting pushed under
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Speaker 1: the rug. There was no fighting about what. There was
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Speaker 1: no what cause there was no issue that we were
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Speaker 1: directly fighting about. Chase had episodes, that is what they
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Speaker 1: are called episodes where he would be self loathing, episodes
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Speaker 1: where he would have a panic attack or he would
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Speaker 1: freak out, where he would cry for no reason, where
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Speaker 1: he would punch the side of his truck, where he
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Speaker 1: would punch a hole in his wall. These are things
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Speaker 1: that he didn't like for the children to see, and
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Speaker 1: I didn't like for the children to see. Okay, financial
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Speaker 1: stress brought on right outside sources puts very much straight
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Speaker 1: on a marriage. Do you think his middle illness? Well,
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Speaker 1: you told me that he was self medicating, But you're
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Speaker 1: saying self medicating that means not a prescription drug in
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Speaker 1: high school. Okay, I'm talking about the time of his disappearance.
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Speaker 1: Was he taking his medication? Then why is he still
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Speaker 1: having these episodes that you're describing. Well, his medicine they
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Speaker 1: kept changing because it was not working. You said that
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Speaker 1: all those fights were one episode. No, that might have
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Speaker 1: been misunderstood. That's what you said. You said, all the
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Speaker 1: fights people describe are really one. Then later you amended
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Speaker 1: it to say two fights. I think the one that
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Speaker 1: his coworkers were describing the phone call but putting him
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Speaker 1: out of the car. That all happened that night that
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Speaker 1: he went missing. Correct, that I dropped him off? Was
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Speaker 1: that at night he dropped him off, presenting that he
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Speaker 1: had been staying with his mom's Correct over arguments. Correct,
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Speaker 1: And you came to the mom's house and picked him
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Speaker 1: up in the driveway, And before y'all could even be
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Speaker 1: gone an hour, you were in another argument, correct over
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Speaker 1: what I think that it would be more clear if
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Speaker 1: we go to the beginning. Let's do you start. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So it's Tuesday. That's just the day before I pick
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Speaker 1: him up. On Tuesday, we talked on the phone. We
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Speaker 1: agree that he wants to come home. I want him
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Speaker 1: to come up. We planned me picking him up on Wednesday.
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Speaker 1: So on Wednesday, nobody can get in touch with him.
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Speaker 1: I call his phone a bunch of times. I call
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Speaker 1: his mom. His mom calls his phone a bunch of times.
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Speaker 1: Now he's not answering, which is very out of character.
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Speaker 1: He's not a heavy sleeper. He doesn't typically sleep a lot.
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Speaker 1: Even though he works nights, he does struggle with sleeping.
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Speaker 1: So finally, I would say fourish, his mom goes over
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Speaker 1: there because she's at work at the shof without the air,
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Speaker 1: so nobody's at the house. His mom goes over there
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Speaker 1: and he's sleeping. She wakes him up. She tells him,
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Speaker 1: people are you know? I'm trying to get in touch
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Speaker 1: with him? And he wakes up. He looks at his phone.
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Speaker 1: Not only does he have a lot of misscalls from me,
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Speaker 1: but he has a lot of missed calls from his
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Speaker 1: job because he had taken the security pagre he had
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Speaker 1: worked down as a relief on the Highway ninety two quickture,
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Speaker 1: not his normal quature. Okay, and it was down Highway
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Speaker 1: NY two, I don't know how many miles and he
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Speaker 1: had taken the security patre from his job, went back
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Speaker 1: to his mom's and fallen asleep. So they were upset
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Speaker 1: with him and had been calling him all day. He
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Speaker 1: wakes up and he says he had like over twenty
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Speaker 1: missed calls from them his manager, so that right there
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Speaker 1: is a trigger for him. He has severe anxiety. I
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Speaker 1: show up and this is all within me be an hour.
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Speaker 1: I go inside. Stephanie comes outside and sits in the
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Speaker 1: car with my girls. He's downstairs in the laundry room
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Speaker 1: getting his clothes and putting them in a bag. Tuesday night,
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Speaker 1: when we had talked, it is a wonderful conversation and
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Speaker 1: it was living and it was positive. So on Wednesday
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Speaker 1: when I show up there and he is so frustrated again,
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Speaker 1: I am frustrated. I am disappointed, and I am very
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Speaker 1: irritated because I don't want to go through this again.
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Speaker 1: And on Tuesday, when he's telling me that he loves
24:38
Speaker 1: me and he feels like he wants to come home.
24:43
Speaker 1: I am hopeful. So yeah, when I show up on
24:46
Speaker 1: Wednesday and he's already full of anxiety and angry, and
24:51
Speaker 1: I haven't even seen him for five minutes, I am
24:55
Speaker 1: not in a good mood and I am not really happy.
25:00
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're we irritated on each other. Absolutely. Did
25:04
Speaker 1: he still want to leave? Yes? And we get his
25:07
Speaker 1: stuff and we put it in the trunk and he
25:09
Speaker 1: gets in the car and I'm driving. We start heading
25:13
Speaker 1: down Highway ninety two to go bring the pager back
25:16
Speaker 1: and he starts having an episode again. And when he's
25:19
Speaker 1: having an episode, he starts punching the front of the car,
25:23
Speaker 1: the dash and the girls are in the back seat,
25:28
Speaker 1: and he started saying that he's going to jump out
25:30
Speaker 1: of the car while I'm driving down hiv A NY
25:34
Speaker 1: two And so I pull over into the BB and
25:37
Speaker 1: T Bank parking lot on Highway ninety two. It's on
25:40
Speaker 1: the left hand side of the road, and I can
25:43
Speaker 1: see it in my mind, just like it's Yesterday's empty.
25:48
Speaker 1: It's closed. I stopped. He gets out and I get out.
25:55
Speaker 1: He tells me to pop the trunk, so I popped
25:58
Speaker 1: the trunk and he starts ripping his bag, well watch
26:03
Speaker 1: it open, throws his clothes around, and I'm sure, but
26:09
Speaker 1: the surveillance camera on that bank will show you that,
26:12
Speaker 1: and the police should have that footage. And he takes
26:17
Speaker 1: the little bit of pop that he has in that class,
26:20
Speaker 1: which is some thing that everybody's been asking about, and
26:23
Speaker 1: he smashes it on the ground, and that is something
26:26
Speaker 1: that has been in questions since the beginning of this investigation,
26:30
Speaker 1: and that surveillance tape will show that as well. And
26:34
Speaker 1: he is yelling and freaking out and saying that he's
26:37
Speaker 1: going to go in the woods and he's going to
26:42
Speaker 1: just run away, and he hates himself and everybody to
26:53
Speaker 1: put her up without him, and horrible thinks, what did
26:56
Speaker 1: you do? And I know what to do. I always
26:59
Speaker 1: know what to do. Okay, okay, I know him. So
27:04
Speaker 1: what did he do? I'm with him. I didn't say anything.
27:07
Speaker 1: I let him calm down. It's the same thing we
27:10
Speaker 1: always do. And then you get really close to him
27:15
Speaker 1: and you talked to him really calmly, and you tell
27:20
Speaker 1: him that baby's okay, you don't have to come home,
27:27
Speaker 1: we don't have to go to your work and take
27:29
Speaker 1: the pagre back. We can go wherever you want. Where
27:34
Speaker 1: do you want to go right now? I'm not I'm
27:37
Speaker 1: gonna let you go in the woods. You know him not,
27:42
Speaker 1: but there's no pressure on you to go home. I
27:47
Speaker 1: will take your pagere back tomorrow. I will take you
27:53
Speaker 1: wherever you want, but I'm not leaving you. You're right now, okay.
27:59
Speaker 1: M So he smokes a cigarette and he picks up
28:05
Speaker 1: his stuff and I help him. I put it in
28:09
Speaker 1: the trunk and he agrees if I take him to
28:11
Speaker 1: Brad's And I say, okay, as long as he loves me,
28:17
Speaker 1: take him somewhere. And so we'll get back in the
28:21
Speaker 1: car and I start driving. When we started driving down
28:27
Speaker 1: again song from Him and you too. He takes Brad,
28:33
Speaker 1: Brad says he's not home. Bas welcome to come over.
28:38
Speaker 1: So Chase tells me Brad's not home. Dropped me off
28:42
Speaker 1: at my work. I said, okay, why couldn't he just go?
28:46
Speaker 1: How you? He couldn't not in his mom Okay, say
28:53
Speaker 1: you get to quit trip. So I just dropped him off.
28:58
Speaker 1: What happened when he dropped him off? I've got the drunk?
29:02
Speaker 1: Are you got your stuff you got, and I said,
29:06
Speaker 1: I love you, will talk to you tomorrow. Yet out
29:09
Speaker 1: he said, his stuff down. You want to cross the
29:12
Speaker 1: street walkers. Why? I don't know. Brad has stated that
29:19
Speaker 1: you Bloy was found up about picking him up from
29:24
Speaker 1: Brad's house later on. What happened later on that night
29:30
Speaker 1: the next day? I don't know what to tell you.
29:33
Speaker 1: That's false. You didn't ask him. They're not texts and
29:36
Speaker 1: phone calls. That's just about coming to pick him up. Yeah,
29:41
Speaker 1: you never plan to come pick him up at Brad's
29:44
Speaker 1: well later, I mean the next day. I did. I
29:46
Speaker 1: wanted to come pick him up back day. Yeah. Did
29:49
Speaker 1: you tell him that? Yeah? On text? Yeah, because That's
29:53
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about the next day. Right, So after
29:57
Speaker 1: you dropped in that quick trip, you see him walking
29:59
Speaker 1: to wal grains. Did you talk to him again that night? Okay?
30:04
Speaker 1: What happened? The only thing I said was I just
30:08
Speaker 1: want to make sure you're okay before I got a bit.
30:10
Speaker 1: Are you okay? When it was between ten and eleven
30:12
Speaker 1: o'clock at night? And he said, yeah, I'm okay. How
30:17
Speaker 1: did you end up with his cell phone? I did
30:20
Speaker 1: not hand chase his cellphone, That is the out again. False.
30:24
Speaker 1: Where did that come from? Oh, I know where it
30:27
Speaker 1: came from, because you said you were going to check
30:31
Speaker 1: his cell phone, that you would go check his cell phone,
30:33
Speaker 1: because just after he had disappeared, I could have been
30:38
Speaker 1: referring to cellphone records and somebody might have gotten that confused. Well,
30:43
Speaker 1: what was that the conversation with Brad, Um, you were
30:48
Speaker 1: really sleepy. Brad called and said, um, something about a
30:52
Speaker 1: drug dealer in this neighborhood, and you said, he woke
30:56
Speaker 1: you up dead of night, and you said, oh, I
30:59
Speaker 1: gotta I'll check Chase his cell phones more and let
31:01
Speaker 1: you know his number. Yeah. I had all of Chase
31:03
Speaker 1: his cellphone records and every call singing out that he
31:07
Speaker 1: may never and I, like you said, I'm gonna check
31:11
Speaker 1: his cell phone. He meant cell phone records. Yeah, I
31:16
Speaker 1: referred to them all the time. So I mean, I
31:18
Speaker 1: can't tell you for sure what I even said. I
31:20
Speaker 1: don't even remember that conversation, to be honest with you, Hey, Amanda,
31:25
Speaker 1: Yeah you Steven mm hmm. Hey, I'm sorry to call
31:30
Speaker 1: you so late. Um. I was just thinking I was
31:33
Speaker 1: kind of walking through the neighborhood and uh, I just remember,
31:37
Speaker 1: do you the guy that lived down the street for
31:39
Speaker 1: me that chases to get um stuff from. Okay, I
31:45
Speaker 1: remember and I couldn't remember. Um, did you have you
31:53
Speaker 1: tried to call that guy or do you know? Um,
31:57
Speaker 1: do you know who I'm talking about? No? I tell him.
32:01
Speaker 1: He said that he lived right in my neighborhood. And
32:05
Speaker 1: I think that is a big step to this. We
32:10
Speaker 1: could just figure out who that guy is. So if
32:13
Speaker 1: you're talking about the guy that he likes it like
32:16
Speaker 1: he got weed for that one day. Yeah, yeah, that's
32:19
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. That's like some forty five year
32:23
Speaker 1: old his names oh oh power something. And did you
32:32
Speaker 1: know him? Well, do you think the chi that he
32:35
Speaker 1: could have gone there that? No, Chase doesn't really know
32:39
Speaker 1: him that well. Later, he just met him a few
32:41
Speaker 1: weeks ago. He's like some old business guy, like kind
32:45
Speaker 1: of a nerd and Chase just hooked him up and
32:50
Speaker 1: a few times. Okay, well, um, mistake remember should be interesting. Okay,
33:00
Speaker 1: Well tomorrow we're trying to depend on Okay, cool, cool,
33:04
Speaker 1: I'm just you now still do want to can man
33:06
Speaker 1: and trying to trying to find him and do get this,
33:09
Speaker 1: you know, get some closure and you know, just all
33:13
Speaker 1: of us are finally getting you know, accused of this
33:16
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. I feel like, so I just
33:18
Speaker 1: want to I just want to get it done, you know.
33:22
Speaker 1: And yeah, technically definitely just well, sleep tight and I
33:28
Speaker 1: hope everything's doing all right with you, all right? And
33:30
Speaker 1: if you you know, like I said, need anything, don't
33:33
Speaker 1: have to day to call me if you you know,
33:35
Speaker 1: if you need anything that it's not gonna get you
33:37
Speaker 1: in trouble from talking to me. But I just thought that, uh,
33:42
Speaker 1: that guy you know, really could have some importance for this,
33:45
Speaker 1: because I don't think we've gone that route at all.
33:48
Speaker 1: So yeah, look like number Okay, Well we've got I'll
33:52
Speaker 1: talk to you soon, all right, thank you? Okay, that
33:57
Speaker 1: was it aversation? Yeah, but I did not have his
34:03
Speaker 1: cell phone. When did you cut off his cell phone
34:08
Speaker 1: four or five months after he disappeared? Blake? What what
34:11
Speaker 1: was the phone cut off? It sounds about right like
34:14
Speaker 1: the three or four months YE heard something that, Yeah,
34:17
Speaker 1: I said, four or five could have been somewhere. Why
34:21
Speaker 1: because I couldn't pay the bill? Yeah, and you also moved,
34:25
Speaker 1: I did. When did you move a year after he disappeared?
34:30
Speaker 1: Were you concerned that if he came back, he would
34:33
Speaker 1: not be able to find you. No, it wasn't. Have
34:38
Speaker 1: you been cooperating with police? Have they asked you for
34:42
Speaker 1: an interview? Yes? Did you give the interview? Yes? And
34:47
Speaker 1: are you willing to take a polygraph test anytime? So
34:52
Speaker 1: if we arrange a polygraph test you would be happy
34:55
Speaker 1: and tested. Absolutely, that's good to know. What do you make, uh,
35:01
Speaker 1: concerns that you guys were growing or had pought in
35:07
Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, I'd be happy to tell you about it. Okay,
35:11
Speaker 1: So Chase and I did smoke pot, something that I'm
35:17
Speaker 1: always been open about. Is it something I'm proud of?
35:20
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Is it something that since then I have
35:24
Speaker 1: realized is completely irresponsible and I regret. Yes, I'm not
35:31
Speaker 1: the same person that I was then, And since then
35:34
Speaker 1: God has come into my life and I'm grateful for that.
35:39
Speaker 1: God has changed so much about who I am. And
35:45
Speaker 1: it took obviously a stream brokenness to do so. But
35:51
Speaker 1: Chase got to a point where he smoked so much
35:56
Speaker 1: that he couldn't afford it, and so he decided that
35:59
Speaker 1: he was going to try didn't grow a lot, so
36:01
Speaker 1: he had like four planets in our hot water heat
36:07
Speaker 1: or room, downstairs that he was trying to grow and
36:12
Speaker 1: he did research and tried okay, and he was never
36:16
Speaker 1: even actually successful. He and he was growing him successfully
36:22
Speaker 1: but was not even successful at it before he disappeared.
36:27
Speaker 1: There still down there the night that he around the
36:32
Speaker 1: night and he went messing that Chase went missing? Did
36:35
Speaker 1: Brad Clemens can I wrote to your place? It was
36:38
Speaker 1: not around the night he went missing, and wasn't. It
36:42
Speaker 1: was several nights later when everybody, not I say everybody,
36:47
Speaker 1: that's broad when people were starting to get confused about
36:52
Speaker 1: what actually happened. So me and one of my very
36:56
Speaker 1: good friends, Lauren Bundy and her husband at the time,
37:00
Speaker 1: and Stephen Pugh were at my house and I asked
37:03
Speaker 1: them to come over, and I asked Brat to come
37:05
Speaker 1: over because I wanted to hear from him what happened.
37:11
Speaker 1: And I didn't know him very well, so I asked
37:16
Speaker 1: him to sit down with us, and I just wanted
37:20
Speaker 1: to hear it from him. Would you be surprised to
37:22
Speaker 1: know that hey reports that you wanted that I've already
37:27
Speaker 1: heard it, okay, and watch your response to that, And
37:32
Speaker 1: I mean to be honest, it doesn't surprise me. I
37:34
Speaker 1: did have opinions of Brad, but I don't think that
37:38
Speaker 1: it benefits anybody. Well, is it you asked that pot?
37:42
Speaker 1: That my opinions, and did we smoke pot? He said
37:47
Speaker 1: he was going to bring pot and then when he
37:49
Speaker 1: got there, he was like, oh, I forgot I guess
37:52
Speaker 1: I didn't bring it. And then he scraped what's called
37:55
Speaker 1: scraping a bowl. I don't know if you're familiar with
37:58
Speaker 1: the term. Yes, I've prosecuted a lot of people then
38:01
Speaker 1: scraped the balls, then the jail. That's what we did. Yeah,
38:05
Speaker 1: and so that is so technically, yes, we smoked um.
38:12
Speaker 1: But you've got to understand how that strikes people that
38:16
Speaker 1: are still looking for Chase. Oddly that while the search
38:21
Speaker 1: is on for your husband, your kickback smoking pot, and
38:26
Speaker 1: it makes people think you don't care whether that's true
38:30
Speaker 1: or not. And that's I don't have a response to that, because,
38:34
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, for people that do smoke,
38:38
Speaker 1: it's a pretty normal part of their life, and it
38:43
Speaker 1: was a pretty normal part of life. Were your children
38:46
Speaker 1: there at the time, No, where were the girls that night?
38:50
Speaker 1: They were sleeping in the home where you guys are
38:55
Speaker 1: smoking pot? Yeah, we were outside. Did I ever give
38:59
Speaker 1: and that explanation that made sense to you that night.
39:04
Speaker 1: What was his explanation about what happened? I'm curious to
39:07
Speaker 1: find out what was he saying at the time, not
39:10
Speaker 1: what he may be saying now. Well, why did he
39:13
Speaker 1: say that night about what happened? His explanation then it
39:18
Speaker 1: really didn't make much sense even that. What does he
39:23
Speaker 1: say happened? He said that Chase came up pre he
39:27
Speaker 1: picked him up from Quitture, and he said they went
39:32
Speaker 1: back to his house state of Ly, they both went
39:35
Speaker 1: to sleep. He said that Chase wanted to get heroin.
39:40
Speaker 1: And I didn't know Chase having years Harold. He did
39:45
Speaker 1: a little bit in high school and but it was
39:49
Speaker 1: never a part of his life, our married life. Brad says,
39:54
Speaker 1: if he choose to believe it, that Chase wanted to
39:57
Speaker 1: score Harold, okay, what happened? Brad said, he convinced him
40:02
Speaker 1: not to, okay, and that he was drinking. Hey, that
40:08
Speaker 1: Chase was okay, and that they just didn't go to
40:13
Speaker 1: sleep okay, and then Chase just kept sleeping. Brad boke
40:18
Speaker 1: up the next morning and Chase was sleeping and he
40:22
Speaker 1: continued to sleep. But you told me that Chase had
40:25
Speaker 1: sleep problems and he very rarely had a whole night's sleep. Correct, okay,
40:30
Speaker 1: And Chase also had slept all day on Wednesday, and
40:35
Speaker 1: Brad said that Chase continued to sleep checked on before
40:40
Speaker 1: he left his house and he was still asleep. And
40:42
Speaker 1: that was in the boarding and that was in the
40:44
Speaker 1: morning to deliver our computer, I think, he said, And
40:47
Speaker 1: he said, that's when he took his phone. Why did
40:49
Speaker 1: Brad take Chase's time with him? When Brad went to
40:53
Speaker 1: deliver the computer to a client, he said to text
40:57
Speaker 1: me and to make sure he didn't leave. Why do
40:59
Speaker 1: I think us are a Chase lightly? I don't know
41:02
Speaker 1: what difference would it have made if Chase decided to leave.
41:06
Speaker 1: I don't know. So, Okay, did he text you from
41:09
Speaker 1: Chase's phine? He did? Did he represent himself as Chase? Okay?
41:15
Speaker 1: And he told you at the time he had Chase
41:17
Speaker 1: his fune Yes, he said he this is bread. Did
41:21
Speaker 1: he say in those texts why he took the phone? No?
41:26
Speaker 1: You were just saying things like I just wanted to
41:29
Speaker 1: let you know that Chase is okay, he's sleeping, making
41:36
Speaker 1: comments like Chase really cares about you. Um, I'm paraphrasing.
41:44
Speaker 1: Did you have any reason to believe at that time
41:49
Speaker 1: that following morning, after you had dropped him off the
41:51
Speaker 1: day before, and anything was wrong? No, I didn't. What
41:56
Speaker 1: happened next? According to Bratt, you went and delivered what
42:01
Speaker 1: I mean, he just said it was an errand at
42:03
Speaker 1: the time, now I know that he was saying he
42:06
Speaker 1: was delivering a computer or something. He said he came back,
42:09
Speaker 1: checked on Chase and he was still sleeping. That's aw
42:12
Speaker 1: m gave him his phone back, and did you wipe
42:16
Speaker 1: him up to give up as pound of back? See,
42:19
Speaker 1: this is where I don't remember. He's told me the
42:21
Speaker 1: story multiple times, and so I don't remember if it
42:24
Speaker 1: was that night that he said this or at a
42:26
Speaker 1: different point when he told me his story. But at
42:29
Speaker 1: one occasion that he told me his story, he said
42:32
Speaker 1: that he had moved Chase from one room to another,
42:34
Speaker 1: woke m up, gave him his phone, and moved him
42:37
Speaker 1: to a different room. And I'm really not sure why
42:40
Speaker 1: what that motivation was for June. So yeah, he told
42:44
Speaker 1: me that it's because he needed to work in the
42:46
Speaker 1: room where Chise was sleeping. Yeah, I remember that. So
42:49
Speaker 1: he did wie him up for that, and that was
42:51
Speaker 1: after the errand what happened then? And he said he
42:54
Speaker 1: gave him his phone then, and he said he had
42:58
Speaker 1: to go round another errand And he said he went
43:02
Speaker 1: and rang that air and came back, started barbecuing, lose
43:06
Speaker 1: backyard on fire, got that putted out, and then went
43:10
Speaker 1: back upstairs check on Chase and realized he was gone.
43:14
Speaker 1: And he said he didn't think much of it until
43:16
Speaker 1: I contacted him via Facebook. He said, he assumed that
43:20
Speaker 1: I picked him up. I was gonna ask you, Brad
43:24
Speaker 1: believes that you can't get picked touch Chase. That's what
43:29
Speaker 1: he said. Where were you at that time? In court?
43:33
Speaker 1: In court doing what? I worked part time for my
43:38
Speaker 1: best friend's husband. My best friend's husband's dad. You can
43:42
Speaker 1: connect those times. He owns it on the motor shop
43:45
Speaker 1: and so I worked kind of like the secretary or
43:47
Speaker 1: office manager part time for him. And so he was
43:50
Speaker 1: in court for civil issue, and so I was in
43:55
Speaker 1: court with him helping you. Okay, what time did you
43:58
Speaker 1: go to court that day? I'm like eight or nine him? Okay?
44:02
Speaker 1: And what time did you leave court that day? Wait
44:06
Speaker 1: for or something? So the day he goes missing, you're
44:12
Speaker 1: in court. Correct. When did you start trying to find
44:16
Speaker 1: Chase when I got out of court? I mean I
44:19
Speaker 1: was texting him like it. Did he ever text back?
44:23
Speaker 1: And No, I didn't speak to him one time that Thursday.
44:27
Speaker 1: The last time you spoke to him was when you
44:29
Speaker 1: dropped him off, or that night when you sat check
44:32
Speaker 1: and see if you're correct? What do you make of
44:37
Speaker 1: Brad's comments that you hit on him the night it
44:40
Speaker 1: came out with pot I don't have anything to say
44:43
Speaker 1: about that if I definitely did not hit on him,
44:46
Speaker 1: and I have no idea why I even say that.
44:49
Speaker 1: Do you believe Chase commined suicide, either all purpose or inavertently?
44:58
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what I believe, it matters to me. Women.
45:02
Speaker 1: Maybe off the record, you and I can talk about that.
45:05
Speaker 1: I've been trying to figure out if you the person
45:08
Speaker 1: that knew the best thanks he was killed or met
45:11
Speaker 1: with foul play. I don't believe that. Yeah, Blie, somebody
45:17
Speaker 1: killed him. Don't do you think there's any chance he's
45:20
Speaker 1: still alone? No, James, sorry, I wasn't able to come
45:26
Speaker 1: to the phone. No, please end this message. The search
45:39
Speaker 1: for Chase Masner and the search for justice goes on.
45:43
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime Stories. Goodbye friend,