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Rich DeMuro, Host of ‘Rich on Tech’ on WOR Sundays Interview · Curtis Sliwa & Larry Mendte In The Morning

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  Speaker 1: Well, the whole world is talking about AI and the
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  Speaker 1: many ancillary subjects that affect artificial intelligence. Yesterday, Rich DeMuro,
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  Speaker 1: Rich on Tech, which is heard Sunday nights from 8
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  Speaker 1: to 11, right here on 710WOR. Conference in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 1: You had the CEO of Anthropic and the CEO of
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  Speaker 1: OpenAI on one side of the stage saying, hey, we
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  Speaker 1: got to put the brakes on this thing. It's starting
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  Speaker 1: to get out of control. But the guy who provides
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  Speaker 1: almost all the chips from the video, the CEO, Jensen Wang,
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  Speaker 1: taking the Trump attitude. No, no, no, no. Full speed ahead.
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  Speaker 1: No guardrails. No government interference. It's very, very confusing for everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Can you help us sort this out? What are the pros?
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  Speaker 1: What are the cons? So that maybe some of our
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  Speaker 1: listeners can come to their own conclusions.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I agree. This is, and I'm sure at
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  Speaker 2: that conference in San Francisco, it is a hot topic.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone has a take on this, whether you work at
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  Speaker 2: one of these AI companies or whether you're a consumer. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when you throw around things like AI is
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  Speaker 2: going to eliminate humanity, that's a big claim. And we
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  Speaker 2: don't know if that's possible anymore. how that would happen,
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  Speaker 2: or if that could happen. But we do know one thing,
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  Speaker 2: AI is advancing. It is unlike anything that we've ever had,
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  Speaker 2: I think, that I've ever seen as a tech tool
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  Speaker 2: in my lifetime. And I think that it is advancing
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  Speaker 2: at such a rapid clip. And the thing is, this
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  Speaker 2: is what we don't know. We don't know what happens
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  Speaker 2: to these systems when they are left to do what
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  Speaker 2: they want to do. And so there's one term I
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  Speaker 2: think that people should understand, and it's alignment. This is
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  Speaker 2: the idea of that AI is on our side, right?
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  Speaker 2: On the side of humanity. But guess what? There are
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  Speaker 2: always bad people out there. There are always people that
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  Speaker 2: are going to program this stuff to not be aligned
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  Speaker 2: with us. And we don't know if AI will continue
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  Speaker 2: to stay aligned with our values. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: lots of us have different values. So what are those
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  Speaker 2: values exactly? So I understand that the CEOs of these
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  Speaker 2: companies that want to get this debate out in the
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  Speaker 2: open are I also think there's a lot of money
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  Speaker 2: at stake, obviously, on the side of NVIDIA. They have
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  Speaker 2: invested a lot in this. They stand to make a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money based on all the investment in AI.
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  Speaker 2: And these companies, OpenAI and Anthropic, are already well-established. So
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  Speaker 2: any regulations may continue to help them thrive versus a startup.
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  Speaker 2: But the bottom line, I think, Larry and Curtis, is
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  Speaker 2: that there are many players in this industry, not just
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  Speaker 2: here in the U.S., not just these big companies we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about. There are so many different sides to this
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  Speaker 2: entire situation.
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  Speaker 3: There was a couple other things they kept mentioning at
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  Speaker 3: the conference, and it was, it's the first time I
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  Speaker 3: heard it, they kept saying every once in a while
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  Speaker 3: it left containment. We have 18 cases of it leaving containment.
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  Speaker 3: And I kept wondering, what the heck does that mean?
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  Speaker 3: And I did some digging, and all it means is
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  Speaker 3: that it was autonomous. It went out on its own.
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  Speaker 3: It was thinking on its own, and it did something. That's,
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  Speaker 3: that's a little frightening.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: And it's, it's one of these things where, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you use open AI, if you use, you know, chat,
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  Speaker 2: GBT on your computer, there's this idea that it can
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  Speaker 2: take over your computer, right? It can actually do things.
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  Speaker 2: We call this agentic AI and smartphones are getting the
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  Speaker 2: same way where your phone can actually take action. And
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  Speaker 2: a simple example is if you wanted to call an Uber,
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  Speaker 2: you would just tell your AI, Hey, I need a
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  Speaker 2: ride to the airport. And it would grab you that
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  Speaker 2: ride in the background. And then it would just say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I found your top three options. Which one do you
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  Speaker 2: want me to book? Now, that's a simple, easy use
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  Speaker 2: of AI autonomously. But when you think about all the
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  Speaker 2: things that people may program AI to do, hey, go
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  Speaker 2: out and find that nuclear reactor and see if there's
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  Speaker 2: any issues in their programming that we can exploit. Now,
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  Speaker 2: and this thing is like a pit bull, right? It
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  Speaker 2: goes out there and it just figures out any way
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  Speaker 2: it can to get into that system. And that's the
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  Speaker 2: scary part.
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  Speaker 1: One last question on this, Rich, before we move on
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  Speaker 1: to other issues involving the tech world. They have this
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  Speaker 1: one level they call superintelligence. I'm assuming that means even
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  Speaker 1: if Einstein was sitting there, that form of AI could
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  Speaker 1: outbattle intellectually anything that Einstein laid on the table. What
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  Speaker 1: is the difference when they say, well, there's superintelligence?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think superintelligence refers to beyond the capacity of
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  Speaker 2: humans to understand it. I think that's really what it
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  Speaker 2: comes down to. Right now, when you think about it,
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  Speaker 2: if you use AI, you're sitting there and some of
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  Speaker 2: the things it does, you're like, oh, that's pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: But I understand that. I can do better. But when
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  Speaker 2: we get AI that is smarter than any human anywhere,
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  Speaker 2: and by the way, we already have kind of access
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  Speaker 2: to this. If you think about AI as an extension
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  Speaker 2: of your brain, we don't know all the answers instantly
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  Speaker 2: about everything. There may be experts in fields that know
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  Speaker 2: very specific things, But when you think about AI, it's
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  Speaker 2: been programmed to know almost everything about everything in the world.
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  Speaker 2: And that's really super intelligence when you think about it.
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  Speaker 2: And right now, it's just locked into these chatbots. But
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  Speaker 2: in the future, that may be walking around in some
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  Speaker 2: sort of robot that understands everything, not just in the world,
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  Speaker 2: but around it as well. And it just kind of
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  Speaker 2: blows your mind when you start thinking about all of
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  Speaker 2: the implications of this.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get away from the scary stuff for one moment
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  Speaker 3: and get to the fun stuff. I understand that you
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  Speaker 3: have been able to handle one of Apple's iPhones that
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  Speaker 3: are foldable. What was the experience like?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've used a lot of foldable phones over
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  Speaker 2: the past seven years, back to the very first one
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  Speaker 2: that Samsung had, and I think it was 2019. This
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  Speaker 2: is the iPhone Duo. It's basically a small... passport style
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  Speaker 2: screen outside. It opens up to a big screen inside,
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  Speaker 2: almost eight inches. So it's almost like a mini iPad
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  Speaker 2: in your pocket. It's expensive, $ 2, 000. But Apple really addressed
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  Speaker 2: many of the concerns I've had with foldables, which is
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  Speaker 2: the software is usually terrible. Apple made it great. The
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  Speaker 2: apps usually don't take advantage of this big screen and
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  Speaker 2: larger form factor. Of course, app developers are very excited
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  Speaker 2: to make their apps look great on this. And they
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  Speaker 2: didn't have MagSafe. They weren't very durable. And they didn't have,
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  Speaker 2: you know, stylus support. Apple has given this thing all
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  Speaker 2: of those. So pre-orders start in October. This thing will
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  Speaker 2: be in Apple stores on October 23rd. I believe it
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  Speaker 2: will sell out. I think if you travel, if you
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  Speaker 2: like having two apps open side by side, or you
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  Speaker 2: just want the latest, coolest, greatest thing from Apple, you'll
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  Speaker 2: love it. Camera's not going to be as good as
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  Speaker 2: the Pro models, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I do appreciate that. Thank you, Rich. A very momentous occasion,
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  Speaker 1: and you brought a lot of clarity to this AI subject.
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  Speaker 1: It still has people wondering, which way do we go?
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  Speaker 1: Do we go any way? So thank you, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: thank you again, Rich, again. You can hear Rich Sunday
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  Speaker 1: nights right here on the biggest talk radio station in
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  Speaker 1: the nation, WOR710, 8 to 11. And you can just
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  Speaker 1: go to at Rich on tech on Instagram if you
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  Speaker 1: want to continue the conversation with Rich.