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Suede · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's the program, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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band. That's right.
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You've done all the work for you.
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All you have to do is press play and listen.
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My name is Justin and you could call me Band Curious because I
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am indeed curious about bands and I like to talk to my friends
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about the bands that they like. And in doing so, we will come
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together and try to come up with a top tensor kit list for you to
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get into the band that we are going to talk about today.
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That's right. I mean, Jenny will get this.
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I'm going to go right for the jugular.
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We're trash. We are trash today because we
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are going to be talking about Suede and Full disclosure, I'm
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putting this right here. This is a Peter episode.
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This is a Peter band. Peter put this band on the
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board. This is where Peter would be
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talking. He would be leading the
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discussion this week. Of course, we've gone into it.
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We, we have lost Peter. We're not going to delve too far
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into that, but I did want to make sure that going forward,
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anytime I have a Peter episode, I will be mentioning it.
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And I hope that is not triggering for anybody who's
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who's listening. But it it's important to me that
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that is woven into especially this episode because this is one
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of the last ones that he was working on before, before we
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lost him. So to me, it's incredibly
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important that Peter lives on in all the episodes going forward,
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but especially the ones that he had signed up for and the ones
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that he was going to be part of. So that said, everybody's chairs
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moves over 1. So I don't know how this all
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came together. I know Peter did put it in the
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Discord and I think a bunch of people signed up.
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Gavin, yours, your name is the first one that is listed.
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So talk to me about Suede. Oh wow, thanks for having me on
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the show. I love doing shows with Jenny
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and Adam I think. I think we all did Caveman and
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Pulp together. Yeah, we did.
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We did. Yeah.
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Cool. Yeah.
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So, OK, so, well, this is how I start off all of my stories
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about bands. So I was in rehab, drug rehab
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in, in 93 in Northern California and I, I was up at night and I
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had this little radio and I heard one of the very first
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singles that suede put out come on the radio and it just like
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totally gripped me and made a huge impression on me.
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And I think that I don't know, I was worried Justin.
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It's like if you were going to, I mean, I think that like I
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think that Brett Anderson's voice is an acquired taste.
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It's like so dramatic and over the top.
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You know that a lot of people, a lot of Americans especially, I
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think and really like get with it.
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I mean, this band is super dramatic.
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They're totally British. They're like they they're like a
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Glen. They pull, they they look back
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to glam, you know, and glitter, like glam rock stuff.
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They're they're super sleazy, like decadent.
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They play with Class A lot. Kind of like our Pulp episode
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where we talk about common people, like the lower classes
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have more fun. We're going to create our own
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Society of opulence and exclusivity because we've been
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locked out of the pantheon, you know, kind of like the mods did
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before them. And I think Brit Pop really
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revived that as an attitude for the working class.
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It took me a long time to get into them.
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I mean, that first single really hit me.
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But then after that, like, I'm so they're so intriguing that I
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would go back to them every few years, like, OK, this is the
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year I'm going to be able to like get with Suede.
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And I'd be like, Nope, not yet. Like I can't.
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I can't deal with Brett's voice in a lot of songs, you know, And
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then and then this past year, I just like, totally like got it
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and like fell in love with them. I think they, they're a really
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fascinating band. They have a really crazy fucking
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story, like drugs and love triangles and mental illness and
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like teenagers in the band and like all kinds of wild shit.
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If you if you watch the documentary about them, it's
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really beautiful. But something about them kept me
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returning and I finally like am all in on suede.
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So I know like, you know, more on the song side, this probably
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comes into play, but I I feel like did maybe Peter nudge you
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here, Jenny, to to say, hey, there's openings on the suede
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panel. Yeah, that's for sure.
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You know, looking back at the chat that we had before we even
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get into it, OK, we usually do a poll of like how many, how many
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unanimous votes we're going to get on a song.
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Also, side side challenge, how many times will I cry on this
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episode? We're already 1.
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So I'm looking back at the chat like he's talking about how he's
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never done a Britpop episode and he really wanted to be on this.
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And it has been too long since I was on an episode with him.
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And, you know, after we did the we did the Pulp episode, I was
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like, you know, I just put me down for anything Brit pop.
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I'm down. And especially the fact that
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Peter was on it. So yeah, like, like, again,
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looking back at the chat, seeing him like, oh, I really want to
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do this episode and, and I'm dragging my feet and just not
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not doing my homework. It fucking sucks.
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Sorry, no. This is part of it.
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Yeah. It's a really important part of
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it too. Yeah, it well, yeah, we'll get
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into it later. But it was, this was a tough
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one. This was a tough one just
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because of all the all the history with that and and
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everything. So yeah.
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So that's all I got. Otherwise I'm going to start
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crying again. OK.
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I mean, we look forward to your tears next round.
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So Adam, I think you, I mean, not that you didn't sign up for
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suede, but I think this was born because we were trying to do the
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clouds at which was Jenny, Peter and yourself.
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And we couldn't get all that together because it's in
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Australia but not in America. So you, we were just trying to
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come up with something else. I think I have that correct.
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That's right. And my story is not totally
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dissimilar to to what what we were talking about.
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Like my my when I first heard them 1993 singles when the
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single came out. So I was 21 at the time, so
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showing my age there. But and but I was just getting
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heavily into the Pixies. I was into the Violet fans, but
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I was also getting into The Smiths and and Morrissey's early
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releases as well. So I was very much in the
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journey of discovery of The Smiths, even though they very
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much have broken up by then. And so when I heard Brett
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Anderson's voice, it like like Gavin was saying, it kind of
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turned me off. It's like felt like somebody
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Morrissey wannabe. And so even though I quite
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liked, I remember the songs being quite striking and they're
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very immediate and we'll get to them.
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And I didn't hate them. I just never really landed with
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me. So I didn't give them too much
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thought until a few years later I have gone through my CD
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collection, which I've still got and I did actually get coming up
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on CD and I do remember listening to that a bit and I
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enjoyed it. But I never became, I was never
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into them the same way that I was with Pulp or Blur, even if
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we're looking at other British bands.
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So, so Fast forward now to more recent times and they've kind of
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come onto my radar in multiple ways in recent years because
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they're still releasing really strong stuff.
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And we'll talk about that. But I've got a a mate, old
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school mate, and a shout out to Brad, who probably will be
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listening, who is a music tragic like me.
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And we we chat on Facebook around artists that we we like
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from time to time. And I know he's a massive swayed
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head, so he sort of influenced me to go back and do the deep
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dive. And the other thing is, Gavin,
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you put me on to bands playing podcast with Yasi.
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Sorry. So I listened to all of I've
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been getting into that where they go right back to the band's
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history. And that's just, I just found it
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really fascinating. I think they're a really
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interesting band to talk about, a really important band, and
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probably should be considered more highly in terms of the Brit
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pop era of the 90s, in terms of their impact.
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That's that's me. Yeah, that's interesting because
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like, I was going to lead off with saying I don't know how
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they weren't on my radar, like, at all.
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Like, I feel like maybe I'd heard the name, maybe maybe at
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the time I was like actively avoiding what was considered
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Brit pop other than however Oasis was considered that.
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I don't know, but like I was into Oasis and never really, you
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know, aside from song 2, Woo Hoo, never really kind of
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crossed that that threshold with with Brit pop It which is
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surprising in when I think about my household, I'm really shocked
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that my mom wasn't more into Brit pop, especially at that
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time. Like I I'm surprised that all
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these bands escaped me because they seem like they'd be right
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up her alley. So I'll have to reach out to her
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and see like what she thinks of all that stuff.
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But anyway, yeah, this this band was nowhere like I was nowhere
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near this. Like usually when a band comes
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up like I'm somewhat familiar with you know why we're going to
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be talking about them. I again, nothing there.
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There was nothing for me to draw on here.
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So like, this is all completely just presented as is to me.
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And I'll tell you one thing before we get into like the
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actual songs here, the the thing we keep coming back to is the
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dude's voice. And I got to tell you, man,
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you're talking to a Billy Corgan fan.
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Like, I mean, like it is it takes a lot of out of a voice to
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really, really put me off. And that was actually one of the
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things that drew me in. It's like, yeah, give me that
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something something different. Like, like, I, I like the drama.
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I like, I like nasally. I like I, I thought it was, I
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like being off put. Like I like that it, it, it
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makes me feel. And so like I found myself
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feeling during a lot of songs that I had no idea what he was
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talking about. So I mean, you know, it's, it's
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a shortcut, but like you do with it what you what you can.
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So that said, like we, I feel like there was a bit of a
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conversation to like what we had to include here.
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I don't at this point, unfortunately, I don't remember
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the conversation, but I think we landed on, what, 57 songs?
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Hold on. I can tell you real quick, yeah,
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57 songs, about four hours worth of music.
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So like, when you're going to frame this up, Gavin, like what?
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What do you feel like #1 were the things that we needed for
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this conversation? And #2 like when you're plucking
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out your 20, Like, how are you building your list?
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Yeah, thanks. If I remember right and you guys
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correct me if I'm wrong, I think that Peter put the list together
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and then I kind of like went back and forth with him and Adam
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waiting to they, they have a lot of records.
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They have kind of 22 lives, you know, even 3 lives right in
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there. But so we took, we took the
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first 3 records from 9394 and 96 and then we stop.
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So we don't do head music, we don't do a new morning and then
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all those, all the the first kind of comeback albums.
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And then we pick up again in the last part of the discography.
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We do Auto Fiction from 2022 and the new album Antidepressants.
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It just came out last year in 2025.
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So we book. So we bookended this this that.
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We took one on album single from 94 and Adam threw AB side in
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there from 94. I did.
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I did. So when you're when you're
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picking out your 20 for this one, what's it, what's, what's
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your process here? Yeah, I think it was, it was,
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this was a hard one. I I, I had a lot of really cuts
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that I didn't want to make, which doesn't always happen for
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me. I'm deprogrammed and I don't
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know how to explain it. I mean, I'm not really sure.
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It was the stuff that like really spoke to me.
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I like their, I like their really melodic, pretty stuff.
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I think that there's just like an essential quality to them
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that I was looking for. I, I think that you could argue
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that they're the essential RIP pop band.
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And I guess I was just like looking for that X Factor.
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And when I when I saw it, I knew it.
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Yeah, I, I feel like mine's similar, so I'll get around to
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that. But Jenny, I know this one was
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hard for you. Like is it?
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Is it like the first pass was easy and then just coming back
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to do the work was hard or was just the whole thing difficult?
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The whole thing was difficult. So for one thing, and I forgot
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to mention this in the start because I was, you know, in my
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feels and shit, but like I, I knew about Suede and I had heard
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them, but they were not like deeply in my, you know,
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listening rotation or anything like that.
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So I didn't have any like emotional attachment to them.
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Like I had not, you know, there's no nostalgia or anything
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like that. But like, you know, we, we
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started diving back into this maybe like 2 weeks after Peter
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had passed away, something like that.
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And I put that first album on and it, how do I say this?
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It was, it was definitely a, a Peter band, you know, And right
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away I could hear him in the music and there were songs that
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that really reminded me of him like immediately.
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And I had to stop. I just, I couldn't, I couldn't
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choose anything. Like I, I went back to the first
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two, the first two albums that I listened to that day and, and I
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didn't have anything in my notes because I was just, you know, it
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was just kind of washing over me, I guess.
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And so when I went back it, I was able to grab a few more, but
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there was, there was a few and I'm going to RIP the Band-Aid
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off right away when it comes time to sing a song.
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There was one in particular that was like, you know it, it just
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hit me. Yeah, yeah.
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No, I mean, again, this is part of it and that's why I I
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mentioned that this was a Peter band up front because it's it's
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a really important part of of this panel doing this episode
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today. So like, yeah, like this, that's
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going to be part of it, folks. I hope that's not a problem for
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you. It's not a problem for me.
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Like, I, you know, I'm sorry that, you know, that we're just
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kind of trudging through it. But like, also, I also know that
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you'll feel better on the other side of it because our friend
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is, he's worthy of, of, of of these feelings.
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So Adam, as always, you don't always show your hand, you know,
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leading in other than, you know, sometimes you say, you know,
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like I'm, I'm really close to the end.
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And these are really hard cuts. Is this one of those bands where
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you you didn't have a problem, or is this one where it's one of
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the worst ever and you just had hid it from us?
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I think I feel like I'm a cliche with my answers actually Justin,
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because I usually I usually do find it really hard on the last
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few and I did this. This was no exception, but to
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get to 30 to start with wasn't too bad.
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And then because I was sort of discovering some of the music
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along the way, like the rest of the panel as well, really, it
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kind of stuff changed and shifted on me.
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Also just wanted to call out, even even in spite of the
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tragedy, tragedy with with Peter, this music is so
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emotional anyway and I just found I found it.
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I mean, I just think they are an incredible band and incredible
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songwriting. And Brett Anderson's got such a
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talent and a gift for his voice that I found at times I had to
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get, I had to poise myself. I just to, you know, just being,
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being the suede, even though I love it, kind of like sitting
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down with a box of chocolates, make yourself feel sick.
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I had to give myself breaks from it because and listen to some
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different stuff because but that that doesn't mean I didn't
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enjoy. I mean, I absolutely love it and
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I'm I'm still listening to I can see myself listening to a lot
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that this is now I'm part of my my my musical mix big time.
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So rambling as usual, but I think I did actually end up with
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like a good split, but there is an album where I which does
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dominate a bit that surprised me and but I do.
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I really think all 5 albums that we covered are excellent, so
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good. And I encourage people listening
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to, if you haven't dived into slide, listen to our list 1st
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and then just jump in because there's a lot to explore.
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There's a lot to. Explore.
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Yeah, for sure. A lot to explore.
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I'll say this. I had trouble with coming up.
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Like good trouble. I was shocked because usually
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it's like one of the first couple records that really kind
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of like I get drawn to. And not that the other ones were
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easy, but like there was just an attraction for me with coming
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up. Like just something about it was
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just like, yeah, like, yeah, I want that.
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And I I kept fine looking down and seeing like, Oh my God, why
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do I have so much of this record?
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And. I I don't remember what my
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actual number was on my first pass, but it was relatively
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high. And then those, those second
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cuts are brutal because like it it again, this, this feels like
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there's not much dead weight in what we covered.
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So it doesn't feel like there's much that you can just kind of
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go, yeah, not that one. So you just kind of look for
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whatever reason, to drop things. And most of the time it's just,
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well, I got to get the 20, so not that one.
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And you said something about the immediacy of the, the band,
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Adam. And, you know, I tended to lean
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towards that a little bit like, 'cause there's a lot of songs
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where I just kind of was immediately drawn and I was
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like, all right, well, that's something I need.
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I need to hold on to that. And I'll say like, I think I'd I
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the same as Jenny, Like I'd made my first pass before we lost
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Peter. And then coming back to try to
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try to do the cuts afterwards, I was like, I can't, I can't do
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this right now. And you know, I got like two or
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three songs and I was like, Nope, I'll come back to this.
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And then like one day I just kind of ripped it off And I was
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just like, I just, I got to do this.
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I just did it. And that's when I contacted you
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guys. Hey, you know, I'm, I'm ready to
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do this when, whenever we can. But it, you know, I, I think
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that kind of affected my choices.
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Not again. Like I'm still, I'm still, I
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still feel good about the songs that I picked.
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I just feel like I, I wasn't as connected to the songs as I
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could have been when I, when I made my second round cuts.
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That said, I, I want to point this out too, Like you said,
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something about like this is a hard one, Gavin.
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Like I usually like to use the audience as like a gauge to like
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if I'm close and I didn't get a lot of answers.
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And I was, I was kind of shocked about that.
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I didn't, not a lot of people chimed in about this band.
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So this kind of fuels the whole thing of how aren't they, you
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know, bigger? I'm not saying they need to be
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massive, but it it is shocking to me.
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Like I just assumed, I guess because the genre and the time
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that this was some huge band that that people are going to be
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fawning over getting answers in. And.
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And I didn't get it other than somebody said the whole first
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record, which I was like, OK, yeah, I get that.
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But so that said, this feels like it's only 57 songs, but it
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it feels like between four people, we could all be in in
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different directions. Gavin, based on everything we've
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talked about, what do you think? How many do you think we get
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through for unanimously for the final say?
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Yeah, yeah, four person panel is a pretty good chunk of songs.
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I think we'll get 4. OK, yeah, that's not a bad
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start. I don't like that or I don't.
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I don't hate that four higher or lower Jenny.
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You know what, I'm going to go higher.
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I wanted to go lower. I don't know why I'm going to.
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I'm just going to do it. I'll say 5.
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I, you know, being that I'm kind of like not very knowledgeable,
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I'm probably not hitting the ones that everybody's going to
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expect me to hit. So it was kind of hard because
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like they're so consistent, like from the first record to the end
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that like they're all so good that I just, I just chose, I
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followed my heart, you know, and we'll see if you guys are on the
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same page. Yeah, let's see if our hearts
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are all in the same place, eh? So four and five off the board.
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Adam, what do you think? Well, I think it's one of those
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two numbers probably. But Gee, I mean, they've got so
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many immediate songs that really do hit you.
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But they do have a depth as well.
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And I must admit my list started moving more towards the songs
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that perhaps aren't as immediate as well.
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That might take a few more listens.
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So I've I'm worried that I might stuff up the party, but having
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said that, let's I'm going to go I'm going to go up to Misty and
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go 6. All right, Yeah, 456.
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Yeah, why not? Where do I go then?
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Do I have one on my list that I feel like I would pull out of
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the bin if I win? I think so.
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Do I stay close to the pack? Do I go under or over?
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I I'm with Adam, I think it is probably either four or five.
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It feels like those. Those are the numbers.
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I'm going to go 7. I'm going to go 7 instead of
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going out of. Yeah, I mean.
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It could. It could.
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It could happen. I I think they're the songs are
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strong enough. It's just, you know, whether,
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whether we were all in the same place when when we listen to
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them. So all right, we are going to
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take a quick pause and on the other side, we are going to play
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the game. It's the program, Jack.
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And with that, the name of the game is deprogrammed.
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The four of us have come through a selection of Suede's
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discography and plucked out 20 songs that were now going to
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mash together in an attempt to create a top 10 starter kit for
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you. In case you have never given
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Suede the time of day. This is 2 days in a row I'm
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doing this. But everybody knows I'm a track
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1 mark. Everybody knows I'm a track one
25:54
album 1 mark. Everybody knows when I love when
25:57
the band does the thing, and I will admit that that listening
26:01
to this, especially today, like it just had a different feeling
26:05
after everything with Peter. But I really truly love this
26:11
track and I hope I found at least one of you.
26:13
I'm going with So Young. I don't have Yes.
26:20
OK, Yeah, I do. I I didn't take it, but that's a
26:22
great song. I wanted to.
26:25
OK, wow, I thought that was one of the I'll.
26:30
Take it too. I'll take it too.
26:32
Yeah, I don't know, like just something about like his his
26:35
voice, like it it's funny because like that was going to
26:38
be thing I was going to bring to go like how much I love his
26:40
voice and then you guys like lead off with that.
26:43
You know, people probably think his voice is annoying.
26:45
I was like, oh, really? OK, I.
26:48
Love it. I don't.
26:49
I don't know man. Yeah, exactly.
26:51
I love it so. All right.
26:52
So I mean that that that debut album, so, so immediate and that
26:59
song just it, it grabs you. Yeah, it's, but then, but then
27:03
again, it's it's almost like the whole album.
27:05
So yeah, that's that's the issue.
27:07
Yeah. And I feel like that that what
27:09
you just said is probably what's going to happen on the episode
27:12
is we're going to cover a lot of that record and it's going to be
27:16
a lot of twos and bins. So who knows?
27:19
Only one way to find out. Gavin, where do you want to
27:21
start? I'll, I'll take the next song on
27:26
the first record, which was the first song I heard on that
27:29
little radio in the middle of the night.
27:31
I took Animal Nitrate. It's a great single by them all
27:38
right there. We go.
27:41
Gavin, that's my first song I heard too, I reckon.
27:43
I reckon that's the one that was a bit of a hit here in
27:46
Australia, like a, you know, indie hit.
27:48
And a lot. I don't like that, except for
27:50
the fact that this I was too much into The Smiths to to get
27:54
into another band that sounded dramatic at the time.
27:56
But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But oh, yeah.
28:00
What a song. Hey, just what a song.
28:03
Yeah. I want to point out that this is
28:05
one of the few answers that we got.
28:08
Oh, so the Internet agrees with us?
28:12
I'm trying. There we go.
28:14
We got that little clippy, all right.
28:16
Animal nitrate is. In If anyone's ever making a
28:19
playlist around puns, let's put this one on there.
28:22
It's a good song Pun, yes. It's got to be one of the best,
28:25
doesn't it? Yeah.
28:27
For sure. All right, it's in.
28:30
And now we move on, Jenny. All right, like I said, I, I
28:34
have to just RIP off the Band-Aid.
28:36
The one that like, just about fucking killed me.
28:39
That one day was off their first album, The Next Life.
28:44
Oh yeah. I don't have it.
28:48
No, I I don't have it unfortunately.
28:51
That's a beautiful song, Jenny. That's a good choice.
28:55
It's a it's a great song. Like I said, I had to follow my
28:59
heart on this one. Like it was the first one that
29:01
really, like Peter himself was a big fan of that.
29:05
That Jiff were like that fucking character from Spirited Away is
29:10
like getting washed over by the waves and it just says feels.
29:12
I was like, that's me right now. I'm getting knocked out by the
29:16
feels. I know I get it.
29:19
But it gets A2 and A2 twos get to stay alive, you know, until
29:24
until like we start hitting. So, Adam.
29:30
So I'm going to move albums to the next one.
29:35
Dog Band star so early Suede. It was obviously all about Brett
29:40
Anderson, but also Bernard Butler, who is an incredible
29:44
guitarist, was in the band at this point and was written
29:48
instrumental in those first two albums and he really puts his
29:51
stamp on Dog Band star. He's a lover of of prog rock,
29:59
glam rock and a whole lots of guitar kind of riffs.
30:04
And there's a particular song on there that he wanted actually to
30:09
be a 20 minute song, a 10 minute, a 10 minute guitar solo,
30:13
which they cut back and it ended up being a 9 minute song.
30:17
It's called the Asphalt World. Asphalt.
30:21
World, OH. I have that.
30:23
Hey, that's a 2 then. Yeah, I didn't take it.
30:27
That's a epic though. That's a crazy.
30:28
That's an epic song. Yeah, it's crazy.
30:32
I. Didn't even notice how long it
30:33
was. Like am I just immune to long
30:36
songs at this point? I.
30:37
Think that. Speaks to how good it is.
30:41
They broke up, they broke up after this album, Jenny, and
30:44
because he, I think he was annoyed that they didn't add
30:46
another 6 minutes of being just oh wow, wow, the guitar.
30:49
But yeah, anyway, he's a great guitarist and they've read
30:53
they're now friends again. And I think they actually, Jim
30:57
and Brett Anderson released an album.
30:59
Yeah. Yeah, didn't I?
31:02
But not not. Interestingly, he's never
31:04
rejoined Suede, but they've just released the album.
31:06
I know the Name of the tears. Yeah, that's right.
31:11
All right, it gets a 2 and gets to live to see another day.
31:14
For now, I'll go with one of the other few answers that we got
31:18
that is on my list. I'll stay on that record.
31:21
Dog Man Star. How about still life?
31:23
Oh. No, that was a late cut.
31:30
Maybe my last cut. I do.
31:33
Have it all. Right, I'll take a two there.
31:36
Boom. No, I don't have it
31:38
unfortunately. All right, these twos are
31:41
looking a OK right now. Yeah, at least for now.
31:46
All right, Kevin. Well, I I think Adam may be
31:51
joining me on this opinion, but I was like totally like knocked
31:56
out by the new album. Oh yeah, that's great.
32:01
It was my favorite album of 2025.
32:04
I couldn't really believe how great it was.
32:07
And I took the title track of antidepressants called
32:12
Antidepressants. Yeah.
32:15
Oh fuck. Yes.
32:17
Yep. Nice.
32:19
That was like #21 for me, and I did.
32:23
What the fuck? I know, I know.
32:29
That's all right. A three is as good as in,
32:31
especially the way the gameplay is shaking out.
32:34
Right now I will not fight you on that 100% because I sat there
32:37
looking at it and I was like, OK, is it this one?
32:39
I don't even remember what the other one was.
32:41
I'm not going to, because if it's a terrible song, then I
32:43
don't want you guys. Yelling at me I.
32:45
Can't handle it right now. All right, so antidepressants
32:49
grabs A3 Jenny, where you want to go?
32:53
Oh. Shit, OK, I have to go.
32:57
I have to go with trash from coming up.
32:59
Fuck yeah. Because trash.
33:01
Pals represent. Yes.
33:07
All the words are great to that song, you know, they're really
33:10
beautiful. I.
33:13
Beautiful song about trash. Yeah, yeah.
33:17
That is the last answer that I got.
33:20
Like, it was the only other answer that I got.
33:24
This one's Still Life and Animal Nitrate with the only three,
33:29
other than somebody saying the entire first record, of course.
33:34
So, yeah, something about that record, and I mean, it starts
33:40
with that song. Just sit right with me.
33:43
I don't know if it was just the right timing, but I was just
33:48
like, Oh my God, on my first pass I I think I had most of it.
33:52
I ended up still with four. It looks like yeah, 4.
33:56
So yeah, I still kept a lot of it, but all right, trash is in
34:02
and Adam. Actually, I might stay on that
34:06
one because I wanted to say that I like I really like that album,
34:10
but it but it's probably not my favorite if I was.
34:14
And I think it I think they did lose a bit of something when Ben
34:17
about the left in terms of the depth in the songs, but I think
34:21
they're immediate. And I think the hooks, I mean
34:23
Brett and this has always been great at writing hooks, but the
34:26
the depth is probably not quite there.
34:29
But having said that, there's still some absolute crackers on
34:32
here and there's one that I just can't keep singing in the chorus
34:37
over and over. I can't get out of my head that
34:39
I've picked the chemistry between us.
34:43
No. Oh.
34:45
No, sorry. Bloody damn it, there we go.
34:48
Long winded, long winded for nothing, Long winded so.
34:56
I mean, it's better that you had something to say about it before
34:59
it went into the band than just it going into the band.
35:02
That's. Right.
35:02
It's just he keeps going Class A, Class B, which is it's all I
35:06
think he's all drug songs at this point because I think he
35:08
had a pretty bad drug habit at this point, didn't he, Gavin?
35:10
Is that right? Yeah, Yeah.
35:12
Around this time. So his songs all start to become
35:15
all about drugs. And this one's really overtly
35:18
about them, but yeah, it's it's kind of catchy.
35:23
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, every love song, I suspect
35:27
is really about drugs, so. Yeah, mate, maybe.
35:31
Maybe, maybe I'm going to go to the new record too.
35:36
Antidepressants. I really, really enjoyed it as
35:39
well. And honestly, if the earlier
35:43
stuff wasn't like just so great, I probably would have had more,
35:48
but this one really jumped out at me for for its title and for
35:52
its music. How about broken music for
35:54
broken people? Yes.
36:00
No. OK.
36:01
All right. We'll take a three there.
36:03
Yeah, I have. Such a hard album to pick songs
36:06
from. It's just there isn't a bad song
36:09
on that antidepressants album. Yeah, that's so.
36:11
Hard, yeah. I like a three, though.
36:14
I really like a three. That's two threes from
36:17
antidepressants, just to note. All right, Gavin.
36:23
OK, Justin, I'm going to try to find you on coming up.
36:27
So one of my favorite Suede songs is on that record.
36:30
I took beautiful ones. Fuck yeah.
36:33
Absolutely. I don't have it, I'm sorry.
36:42
All right, that's all right. I got.
36:44
Fray. Yeah, no problem.
36:47
I if that was unanimous, that was going to be the one I was
36:51
going to fight to like be the number one, yeah.
36:54
It's a good. It's it's just a, a proper
36:58
banger. So, but we'll get to that.
37:02
And can I say on that one too, if you had to put in a time
37:04
capsule, something that captured brick pop really for what it was
37:07
in the 90s? Yeah.
37:09
You know, that song probably hits every single single, but I
37:14
think it's peak, peak of that that era.
37:19
To that point, I think it's the only song that I'd heard like.
37:22
I don't if any other song that I'd heard didn't like ping my
37:29
radar. Like it didn't make me go.
37:30
I think I've heard this before. Except that song.
37:34
Yeah, that song. When I heard it, it either
37:36
sounds like really close to something else or I'd heard that
37:39
song before. So All right, we'll take the
37:43
three there. 3 is good. And Jenny.
37:47
Oh no, I don't know what to pick next.
37:52
Oh you know what? I really like this one.
37:55
Panic by the motorway from coming up.
37:58
Oh, that's a great song. I don't have it.
38:02
I don't know where that. I don't have it either.
38:04
I do really like it though. I cannot save you friend.
38:07
I'm so sorry. That's OK, That's OK.
38:10
Listen, I told you I was like following my heart.
38:12
My heart was going down weird places.
38:15
I don't know what was going on. But that one, like, it had this
38:17
like lazy summer afternoon vibe, which is just, you know, it's
38:22
going to get me every fucking time.
38:23
So yeah, in the documentary it shows them recording that and
38:28
it's really beautiful. I will have to look for that.
38:34
All right, Adam. So I love, you know, as you
38:40
probably know, I do love my lyrics and this song I'm going
38:43
to go to next. I didn't know what the chorus
38:46
was. And I went and read the lyrics
38:48
and it's actually she sells hearts, she sells meat.
38:55
So going to all the way back to the debut album, Metal Mickey,
38:58
No. Yes.
39:03
It. Was a single too.
39:04
It was a it was a quite a quite a popular single, I reckon, off
39:07
of that album. NAV to.
39:11
And with that, we are officially out of NTP.
39:16
Boom. Yeah, officially out of NTP.
39:20
Worst case scenario, everything that we have goes in going
39:23
forward. All right, so we're back around
39:25
to me. I keep skipping over this song
39:31
so it must mean something to me. Going back to Dog Man Star, how
39:35
about heroin? No.
39:39
Yes, yeah, that's probably one of my favourites.
39:43
OK, take a two there. Boom.
39:46
That's a really good song. All right, Gavin.
39:55
So yeah, they the there's a lot of drama in early Wade.
40:04
I guess the two like the two big things are, and I'll be curious
40:10
to see if Jenny knows this, but there was a really important
40:15
muse for Brett Anderson and the band Suede, right?
40:23
A woman named Justine Frischman was in Wade.
40:28
And was together with Brett Anderson and she was kind of
40:32
like a a rich girl higher, but really cool, like in art school
40:37
and like really smart. And then she started dating your
40:45
man from Blur, Damon Albert. And it was like big drama in the
40:49
papers and, you know, in the music papers in the scene.
40:53
And then she formed Elastica and like, oh, and like really great,
41:00
you know, had her own great band.
41:01
So you you could actually say she's the architect of Britpop,
41:05
like, you know what I mean? Like one woman kind of was
41:08
everywhere, you know what I mean?
41:10
And she's she's really like compelling to watch, like talk
41:16
and just see just the way she is.
41:20
She's really spectacular. And then I think the other big
41:24
thing was what Adam was talking about with the guitar player
41:27
Bernard Butler and just his kind of like mental health breakdown
41:32
that happened during Dog Star, which was apparently an
41:37
incredibly difficult record to record.
41:41
And he was really like kind of adversarial and nasty to be
41:46
around and didn't like just arguing with everybody about
41:49
everything, so. Very controlling.
41:52
Very controlling, I think Evan, wasn't he?
41:54
Yeah, he was kind of a sabot, you know, like all those guys
41:57
were real young, but like, really had a vision for how
42:00
things should be. And of course, I mean, you can
42:03
tell that that's going to, I mean, Brett's the same way, you
42:06
know? So like, that's going to be a
42:08
problem. You can't have, you know, two
42:11
complete alphas in one band. That's why Justine's an alpha,
42:13
too. And she was like, yeah, I'm just
42:15
going to, like, see my way out of this and do my own thing.
42:20
And so, I mean, Dog Band Star was kind of, like, not really
42:23
understood when it came out. And it was kind of like this
42:26
dark, shadowy record in their catalog.
42:28
But it's one of those records that in retrospect, has like
42:31
gotten all kinds of critical acclaim.
42:33
I guess Justin kind of like Pinkerton was, you know what I
42:36
mean? Something like that.
42:38
And also the second record, right?
42:40
And what about anyway? So those are just some of the
42:44
cool like stories from the suede.
42:48
There are many, but from the suede camp I took black and
42:52
black or blue off Dog Man *. Did I?
42:58
Get that one? Nothing.
42:59
Gosh, nothing makes me. Go ahead, man, go.
43:02
Ahead. No, I didn't.
43:03
Oh, sorry. I don't have it.
43:04
But I've just got that many songs from Dog Man Star in my
43:06
top long list because it's my favorite album.
43:09
It's the one I alluded to earlier.
43:11
It's become my favorite album. It's so good.
43:13
But yeah, no, I don't have that one.
43:17
I'm so sorry. Man, nothing I love more for all
43:21
the wrong reasons than somebody having like this great story,
43:25
this great lead up and then it getting binned.
43:28
Yeah, I feel like. Binned right out of a sales,
43:31
yeah. Yeah, but that's how it kind of
43:33
should be with your bin songs, you know, like you need to, like
43:37
you need to, you need to put something on it, you know, put a
43:40
little extra on it. A.
43:41
Little something, a little something, a little.
43:43
All right, Jenny. Oh man, I'm probably just going
43:50
to make you all mad with every pick that I have left.
43:52
I know what see. We already picked that 10 from
43:56
antidepressants. Somewhere between an Adam and a
43:59
*. Very good, no?
44:03
No, that's a cool. No, I probably should have been
44:05
good, but no, I don't. It was.
44:07
Never my last nuts. I love that great song.
44:11
I don't know if it's just the the star vibe or something, but
44:14
it it gave me like David Bowie vibes and I've.
44:18
Been doing a. Little bit to that.
44:19
Totally. That's a good.
44:21
All right, Adam. Yeah, so I might stay.
44:26
So I was chatting with my friend Brad, old school mate that I
44:31
mentioned earlier about this because I knew he'd have
44:34
opinions about the songs we had in our list.
44:37
And he said, yeah, have you included this particular song?
44:40
I said no, we haven't, so you have to go and listen to it.
44:44
So this is a song that came out of The Dog Man * era.
44:50
They just had so many great songs they left this off the
44:52
album. It has now become seen as one of
44:56
their best songs. If you go and look at Suede best
44:58
of list, it's usually there and it is.
45:02
I understand I've never seen them live, but it is a bit of a
45:05
live favorite and it's called My Dark Star.
45:08
Oh. Yeah, I got it.
45:13
I also have it. You have it, Jenny.
45:17
Yeah. Yeah, I, well, I didn't
45:19
ultimately take it, Adam, but I really thought it was great.
45:24
Yeah, we'll talk three. I'm really happy.
45:26
I thought it was definitely gonna get a get a 1.
45:29
So I'm very happy you. Know whatever, whatever do we we
45:33
do a list like this where it's, you know, we're cutting out two
45:35
or three albums and then somebody says no, but I really
45:38
want to include this song that that really makes me look at it
45:42
a little. Bit harder.
45:43
Honestly, because that's enough to to make it stand out and say
45:46
this is the exception. We need to include this one.
45:49
And I, I really love that one. So I'm glad you picked it.
45:53
Yeah, I'm always hesitant because sometimes I feel like
45:56
it's like a red herring, like just something that needs to be,
46:00
you know, somebody's just, oh, you know, I want to make sure
46:03
that Justin listens to this. This is one that Justin, which
46:06
happens a lot. But usually if it's just one
46:09
song, then I'm like, OK, I need to listen to this one extra
46:13
hard. And if it, if it weighs out with
46:18
everything that's kind of going on on my list already, then it
46:20
then it makes my first pass. And then, you know, it's, it
46:24
depends on the luck of the draw really with the, with the second
46:28
pass. But I, when I, when I came
46:29
across, I was like, no man, like I'm, I'm super glad Adam had it
46:32
here. And I think it belongs in a
46:36
conversation, you know, at this point it would be in, it's got a
46:39
three, so. Well, this is all all down to
46:42
Brad, of course. I've not heard the song before,
46:44
so thanks Brad. All right, we haven't done
46:52
anything off of Auto Fiction yet, so Oh my God, we talked
47:01
about like the the sleaze and you know, if nothing else, this
47:05
title kind of gives me the sleaze.
47:07
How about she still leads me on? Yeah, no, hey, Yep, take a two
47:13
there. Any 2 I can get is good for me
47:18
at this point. I'll take it.
47:19
That one, that one reminded me of Depeche Mode.
47:21
Like 90s. Yeah, Depeche Mode a little bit,
47:25
but you know, that's a pretty good album as well.
47:28
No, I didn't like it as much as any depressants, but it was
47:30
pretty good. Indeed, in here, yeah, yeah.
47:33
All right, we can take the two and we move on, Gavin.
47:38
OK, I took breakdown off the first album.
47:43
No. No.
47:46
No. Yeah.
47:49
Bend, unfortunately. Bend.
47:53
All right, Jenny. I don't know how I haven't
47:57
picked one from Auto Fiction yet because that one it I kept the
48:02
most from my first pass to the second pass.
48:04
So what landed with me the first time stuck there.
48:09
You know I wouldn't. I don't know if it's my
48:11
favorite, but it's really good. It's very good.
48:17
I am going to go with turn off your brain and yell.
48:23
Fuck no. No.
48:29
I I didn't I almost put it on my list because of the sometimes
48:32
it's so great but no. You know what?
48:36
I know I don't have it. I think you just made a great
48:38
point about that record, Jenny is I because I think I'm in the
48:41
same place where like I don't think I had a ton through, but
48:46
like everything that made it through stayed.
48:49
Like I when I when I, when I made all my cuts, like the ones
48:53
that made it through pretty much maybe like 1 one may have fallen
48:57
off, but like everything that hit me stayed so.
49:01
I had like stick songs in contention off that record that
49:04
didn't make it like they. There was a lot on my on my
49:07
first pass and then I just couldn't get him.
49:11
Yeah. All right, into the bin it goes,
49:15
unfortunately and Adam. OK, I'm going to have another go
49:23
at Dog Man's stuff I think, because I think they are
49:29
incredible where with the guitars are fully going and
49:32
there's so much going on in the songs.
49:33
But there's a song on on Dog Man Star where it's just piano and
49:37
Brett's voice and it it stops me in my tracks every time I hear
49:41
it. Pretty.
49:44
It's a bit of an emotional one, the two of us.
49:49
No, no. Yes, that's a great song.
49:53
It's him trying to like reach out and make up with the with
49:56
the guitar player, right? Like.
49:58
I think so. I think so.
49:59
I think it's what like a bit like Morrissey and and Morrissey
50:05
did with lyrics Tamar when the semester breaking out.
50:08
I think it might be, yeah. Yeah, that's a really pretty
50:11
song. We'll take the two there.
50:13
I think we got a couple more rounds in US here, but where do
50:19
I go? Let's take another run at Auto
50:22
Fiction, I think. See if I can find any of y'all.
50:27
How about what am I without you? Yes.
50:32
P no, right. OK.
50:35
I'll take a two there. I'm like 2 city today.
50:43
All right, Kevin. I really like the story about,
50:48
you know, so when? When when our Butler left and
50:53
quit swayed one day like the a cousin of the drummer was like
51:02
Oh my cousin's coming by the studio to like pick up a suit or
51:05
something. And the 17 year old kid walks in
51:09
and he doesn't even really know his cousin that well.
51:12
And the kid sits down and starts playing the piano and picking up
51:15
all these instruments and playing them.
51:17
And the whole band was like, you know, they were way they were
51:19
older, you know, they were in their like late 20s or whatever.
51:22
And they're, they're like, who the fuck is this kid?
51:25
And like, they just put him in the band And this kid like drops
51:29
out of high school and goes on the fucking Dog Man Star tour
51:33
with them only like everyone's, you know, doing like crazy drugs
51:37
and like they're going to Japan and like it's just completely
51:40
out of control. And he fucking stayed in the
51:43
band the whole time and was the guitar player.
51:48
He so he became the lead guitar player and a 17 year old and
51:53
replaced well, kind of like the Chili Peppers.
51:55
You know what happened to them, right?
51:57
Like kind of a savant, like amazing guitar player, you know.
52:01
So he joined in 94 but didn't start publishing songs until
52:06
coming up in 96. But let's see, I took to say all
52:13
that I took dancing with the Europeans off the last record of
52:17
antidepressants. I got it.
52:20
Yes. I do not I I got to be the
52:24
spoiler again. I guess that's.
52:25
All right, Yeah. That's yeah.
52:29
It's usually me, Jenny, so. Boom in boom.
52:34
Take a three there. Now we're starting to get into a
52:38
tough conversation territory. Yeah.
52:42
All right, Jenny. OK, so one thing I'll definitely
52:47
say is, you know, I think I've mentioned this on other episodes
52:50
where sometimes I have to kind of do my homework right up to
52:54
the wire because what what I feel like my song picks are
52:59
guided by how I am and that at that time.
53:02
And I definitely think that if I had done this list three months
53:07
ago, it would have been a completely different list or I
53:09
would have shifted it or something.
53:12
You know, I would have, I would have completely just not know
53:16
what to say about any of the songs.
53:18
And I found myself like really kind of not necessarily trying
53:23
to figure out what Peter would have picked, but looking at it
53:27
through the lens of of what he might have liked.
53:30
And I think that kind of guided me in some cases.
53:34
And now that I've said all that, wait till you guys shoot this
53:37
one down. I chose cuz he's, he's a very
53:44
like, he was kind of a, a dramatic, melodramatic type of
53:47
person. I mean, I, I don't mean that
53:48
like negatively, like he just, he just had a lot of emotions
53:52
and that's who he was. So I chose life is endless.
53:57
Life is a moment. Oh.
54:01
No good 1 though. See Peter.
54:04
Was sorry, I'm sorry, sorry Jenny, but I feel like lying and
54:10
saying I've got it. Actually.
54:12
But. But I don't.
54:14
I'm telling you right now, you for sure were guided by Peter on
54:18
that one, because that what just happened exactly right there is
54:22
exactly what would have happened to Peter, guaranteed.
54:27
Yeah. Guaranteed.
54:30
And he would have been like, what?
54:34
Fuck you. Sorry, Peter.
54:38
Oh. Yeah, and also I needed my
54:41
moment of like giving you the whole story and then having the
54:43
wind taken out of my sails. So I I needed that at least
54:45
once. Oh yeah, everybody's got 1 today
54:47
so. Takes a turn.
54:50
All right, Adam. OK, I'll have a go at
54:55
Autopiction because I don't think I've picked one from there
54:58
yet. Lots of bands that they, they
55:02
definitely feel like on the last two albums they're drawing on
55:04
influences from other bands a little bit more than maybe
55:08
forging their own way, but not it's just the fact that they're
55:12
an older band and that tends to happen, but still great.
55:15
And this song reminded me of Placebo.
55:16
I don't know if you guys know Placebo.
55:20
So 15 again. Oh God.
55:23
Damn it. You know.
55:25
What? I think I had the exact same
55:26
thought and I didn't pick it. Probably be because it reminded
55:30
me of placebo. Yeah, Rock, There you go.
55:35
Oh well, can't save. You and I do like them.
55:37
I just sometimes if it's, if it feels too strongly like another
55:40
band, I might say, well, this is, you know, does does this
55:44
represent what I like about this band that we're talking about
55:47
now? So I know exactly what you mean,
55:49
Jenny, If I was going to, if I had to not be the last two
55:52
albums, I would say that some of the influences are a little bit
55:54
too avert on some songs, but I still love it's still really
56:00
enjoyable. But you listen to it going, Oh,
56:01
this sounds a lot like X, you know?
56:05
I don't know where to go because I feel like at this point I
56:09
think I'm on, I think we're on our last round.
56:20
Yeah, I don't know which one of these to go.
56:23
This is where I would usually lean towards like an answer that
56:28
I got. All right, I'll just I'm going
56:36
to go to the top of my list. Only way to find find out is to
56:40
ask. How about moving?
56:43
No. Nope.
56:46
Not. Finally in the bin.
56:49
Dang. OK.
56:50
I'll take the binner and we will move on, Gavin.
56:55
I took disintegrate off antidepressants.
56:58
No. I think I.
57:01
Have that, yes. I Yes I do.
57:03
Hey. Jenny boom it's the opening
57:07
tracks. We got a 3 ends.
57:08
Right, so. That's a three, yeah.
57:10
We got we got 3 songs with three, yeah.
57:14
Yeah, them twos are get are almost a dangerous territory.
57:21
All right, Jenny. How about the wild ones from Dog
57:26
Man *? Yes.
57:29
Absolutely. No, but I I'm, you know, I
57:34
looked at this is again, this is where I feel like the audience
57:39
could have helped me because this is apparently one of their
57:42
most popular songs I just saw on Spotify just now.
57:45
So if, if I weren't an honest man, I would have switched out a
57:51
a song and swap that in. But I am I'm I'm I try to be as
57:56
honest as possible. So grabs the three and we will
58:00
move on. Adam.
58:04
OK, We talked a little bit of glam rock, and obviously,
58:09
especially early on, they were big into David Bowie.
58:13
Yeah, you could tell. And this song, I think this
58:16
might have been one of the very early singles.
58:18
I'm not sure if it was the single before the album came out
58:20
actually, but The Drowners. Oh yes.
58:25
That was my last cut. No, take a two there.
58:30
Two lots of two suddenly, yeah. Enough to where like some of
58:36
those twos are going to get in at this point, yeah, I mean,
58:41
unless I. That's good because there's some
58:43
great stock songs. Unless so, I'm happy all.
58:46
Right, so I'm just going to dump out from the top.
58:49
Here we are the pigs. Oh yes.
58:54
Hey, no. OK, the power.
59:03
No. No.
59:06
I think that was a random art, but no.
59:08
OK. Did we lose Jenny?
59:11
No. I'm here.
59:12
Oh, OK. Just mentally.
59:17
Let's see. Stay together.
59:20
No, Nope. No all.
59:23
Right, moving on to coming up, how about lazy?
59:28
No, we got it. Hey, take a two there.
59:33
Same record star Crazy. No, Nope, not.
59:39
OK, only two left. Moving on to Auto Fiction Black
59:44
Ice. No, no, I like it though.
59:50
And then last but not least, shadow self.
59:54
Yes. Hey.
59:56
No. OK, so not only are none of us
1:00:00
going to win. We only got 2.
1:00:03
Yeah, wow. Not even close.
1:00:07
That's. We've covered a lot.
1:00:08
We've covered a lot of songs. I haven't.
1:00:10
I will be. For sure.
1:00:11
How many for sure? All right, so you can still make
1:00:16
the conversation harder without me.
1:00:17
Gavin, what do you got left? Yeah, OK, so I got drive myself
1:00:22
home off auto fiction. Got it.
1:00:27
No. Hey.
1:00:29
It was on my long list though. Yeah, I took introducing the
1:00:33
band off Dog Man *. No, I.
1:00:41
Took June rain off antidepressants.
1:00:45
No, I love. That, yeah, that I was real.
1:00:48
That's the one I got pissed off about having a car, Yeah.
1:00:53
I took new generation off dog man *.
1:01:00
Now another one that missed out just.
1:01:03
Wow Adam, I love that song so much.
1:01:05
That was a big. Thing.
1:01:07
Yeah, I took sleeping pills off suede, the first record.
1:01:13
Nope. Hang on a second.
1:01:16
No that you're picking all the all my just outs, right?
1:01:22
Yeah. Yeah, and the last one I took
1:01:24
was Sweet Kid off antidepressants.
1:01:28
You, you covered a lot of that one.
1:01:31
Yeah, I know. I had a lot off that one.
1:01:34
All right, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, unfortunately a lot in the
1:01:38
bin, but you did manage to get another 2 into the combo.
1:01:42
You still have a chance to make the conversation a little
1:01:45
harder, Jenny. I doubt it.
1:01:47
That's OK. So I've got personality disorder
1:01:52
and I also like that song. Yes, Jenny.
1:01:57
Yes, there we go. We got 2.
1:02:01
And it's always the quiet ones. There's another one on my that
1:02:07
I've written next to it. Sad that I had to cut it.
1:02:11
Yeah, I had to cut that one too. I don't.
1:02:14
Know is that it from you, Jenny? I've got.
1:02:18
That's it. OK, what do you got left, Adam?
1:02:22
I've got one to throw in the bin all right off the debut album
1:02:26
Pantomime Horses. Oh yeah.
1:02:30
All right, so before we move on, I'm going to shift this and see
1:02:34
how much we covered. Looks like 44 out of 58.
1:02:40
No, 44 out of 57. Yeah, yeah, we covered.
1:02:45
And that's actually right. That's right.
1:02:47
Yeah, I mean it again, it kind of like Jenny had said this and
1:02:51
and I agree like it. It just kind of there isn't
1:02:54
there's no dead weight. It really speaks to the depth of
1:02:58
the band and just the consistency.
1:03:01
Like it was just a consistent band.
1:03:03
Like we even covered all but three of their new record.
1:03:07
Like that's that's crazy. All but two off Auto Fiction all
1:03:13
looks like coming up got the least amount of love from us.
1:03:16
Dog man star only has two left. self-titled only has two left.
1:03:21
So yeah, we we covered a lot here.
1:03:24
That said 22 did get in already. Animal nitrate and trash.
1:03:28
All right and let me see these threes 123-4567 Should we
1:03:36
converse about these threes or just accept these threes?
1:03:39
Because if we accept these threes, then we only have room
1:03:41
for one. Can we go through them please?
1:03:45
Sure can. All right, so we've got
1:03:47
antidepressants. Broken music for broken people,
1:03:51
beautiful ones, My Dark Star, Dancing with the Europeans,
1:03:55
Disintegrate, The Wild Ones. Those are the threes.
1:04:01
The thing that jumps out to me first is I don't think we need 3
1:04:05
from antidepressants, let alone 4.
1:04:09
I do think it was a great record but I don't think that we're
1:04:12
giving best foot forward if if we do that.
1:04:17
Yeah, 'cause we 'cause right now we have, we have one off the
1:04:20
first record, one on Dog Man *2 on coming up, nothing off Auto
1:04:26
Fiction 4 off antidepressants and AB side.
1:04:30
So I, I think you're right, Justin.
1:04:32
I mean, I think we need to at least take one off.
1:04:38
Is there some other really good shit on this list?
1:04:41
Yeah. So should we decide like is it a
1:04:46
one or two situation for antidepressants or is it because
1:04:52
4 is too much? For sure, I think 3 is too much
1:04:54
if I'm being honest. Again, it is interesting that
1:04:58
that three of us agreed on four different antidepressants songs,
1:05:02
but. Yeah.
1:05:05
I think, I think the list has to be weighted to the first
1:05:09
iteration of Suede, the 90s iteration of Suede.
1:05:14
In my opinion, even though this stuff's still great, I would
1:05:17
want that. I think we should aim for
1:05:19
something like 6 songs at least from that, from those three
1:05:24
albums. OK, so let's.
1:05:26
And then maybe 4/4 from the back maybe?
1:05:29
So let's do this first, like instead of killing out the
1:05:31
antidepressants songs, let's pick one of them that's goes in
1:05:34
now and then we'll come back to that at a later point.
1:05:40
Which one of these jumps out the most?
1:05:41
Antidepressants, broken music from broken people dancing with
1:05:46
the Europeans Disintegrate. Gavin is 1 one of those jump out
1:05:49
at you that that could be the one from that record.
1:05:53
Yeah, I would just go with the first track disintegrate.
1:05:56
OK, Jenny, you were the odd one out there.
1:05:58
Was that just a you know? I thought I had disintegrate.
1:06:02
I didn't have antidepressants. Exactly.
1:06:05
Yeah, you're, I believe, Yeah, you were the odd one out on any
1:06:08
depressants. OK, yeah, I mean, that one was
1:06:12
like, basically #21 for me. So that's the one that I leaned
1:06:15
to more than anything else. OK, Adam, do you have, is it a
1:06:19
different song or would you be happy to take just the title?
1:06:22
Track. Sorry, are we talking about
1:06:24
disintegrate or antidepressants? I thought like we just switched.
1:06:28
I think Gavin was talking about disintegrate, weren't you,
1:06:32
Gavin? Yes, sorry Justin, I'm talking
1:06:35
about the first song on. Anti.
1:06:38
Disintegrate. That's the one I would put.
1:06:40
In OK, my bad. Yes, sorry.
1:06:42
So I was the odd man out on disintegrate.
1:06:46
If everybody's happy with taking Disintegrate, I'm I'm on board.
1:06:52
Yeah, I mean, I, I, I would take Disintegrate over
1:06:56
antidepressants, but then I would take antidepressants as
1:06:59
the as well. Probably, probably that they'd
1:07:01
be the two of the album that I would take.
1:07:04
All right, so we'll, but if we just move it, disintegrate for
1:07:07
now. Yeah, let's take disintegrate
1:07:09
for now. Now let's look at these other
1:07:10
threes and and see which one of these are in.
1:07:14
Beautiful ones would give us 2 from coming up.
1:07:18
My dark star would be technically the B side, right?
1:07:24
And then Wild Ones seems like it should be a shoo in to get us
1:07:29
Dog Man star, right? Yeah.
1:07:32
OK. I think so.
1:07:34
Yeah, I was the I think. Wild ones for sure.
1:07:37
OK, so let's do that. Boom.
1:07:40
All right, And then that leaves before we move on to twos
1:07:46
beautiful ones, my Dark Star or they just we come back to or
1:07:50
should either of those or both of those be in?
1:07:55
The beautiful one should be in. Yes, I think I agree with that.
1:08:01
I'm fine with. That all.
1:08:03
Right, so let's grab beautiful ones and then we can come back
1:08:06
to my Dark Star at a later point.
1:08:09
I'm pretty keen for it to get in, but I understand that we
1:08:13
can't do that. Well, we should be able to.
1:08:16
I'm I'm on board for giving the three the extra weight.
1:08:21
You know, we've got 12345. So if honestly, like if you want
1:08:28
to tackle that right here, Gavin, you were the odd man out
1:08:32
on my Dark Star. Was was there a reason for that
1:08:35
or just didn't have room? No, I didn't have room.
1:08:38
I think it's a great song. I'm fine with that.
1:08:40
All right, so that'll bring us up to 6.
1:08:42
Now let's start looking at these twos.
1:08:45
We won't kill off the other two or the other three from
1:08:47
antidepressants until it's necessary.
1:08:50
But I it's feeling like we're leaning that way, right?
1:08:55
Yeah, 12345 from early on. All right, so these twos so
1:09:05
young the next life, the asphalt world still life metal Mickey
1:09:13
heroine. She still leads me on the two of
1:09:17
us. What am I without you?
1:09:20
The drowners. We are the pigs.
1:09:23
Lazy shadow self drive myself home and personality disorder.
1:09:32
Gavin, is there one A2 that's like really jumping out at you?
1:09:35
That really should either be in the conversation or we should
1:09:39
just go ahead and tackle it now. Yeah, that could be the whole
1:09:43
list right there. The twos.
1:09:46
Yeah. Yeah.
1:09:50
Well, I mean, if I. OK, so I'm going to say two
1:09:53
things really quick and just to make things.
1:09:56
Justin loves it when everybody makes things more complicated.
1:09:59
So OK, so I just want to say that there's a couple.
1:10:02
We don't have anything off Auto Fiction yet and, and, and
1:10:06
there's a couple twos I would fight for just to get album
1:10:09
representation there. But out of the list you read
1:10:12
Justin. I would take the two of us on.
1:10:17
Dog Man's Star would be my first pick from the twos.
1:10:21
OK, let's see, Adam, you were the other person on that.
1:10:26
Yeah. Yeah, at this point, would you,
1:10:31
would you be open to it? Just jumping onto the list
1:10:34
before we get into conversations about album representation.
1:10:42
I'm comfortable with it. I'm conscious though that we're
1:10:45
picking songs that perhaps Jenny didn't have.
1:10:47
So kind of came to hear Jenny's views on that.
1:10:52
And unless you, you simply got 1 Jenny.
1:10:55
I don't have that one on my long list or anything.
1:10:57
I don't remember it and I don't know if I just you know, maybe
1:11:01
like the songs kind of blended together and I just didn't like
1:11:04
I don't remember anything particular about it because I
1:11:06
know sometimes like they do kind of blend one right into the
1:11:09
next. I have no problem with it
1:11:12
though, like I have I have no fight in this this round of the
1:11:16
game, which you know, which is sometimes the fun part, but not
1:11:20
for me on this one. So.
1:11:22
Yeah, we're we're the newbies. Yeah, exactly.
1:11:26
All right, so let's do. That it does give it something
1:11:28
different as well, because it's just humming piano.
1:11:30
There's nothing else going on. It's it's quite different.
1:11:33
So yeah. So that brings us up to that
1:11:36
brings us up to 7. Maybe we tackle auto fiction
1:11:42
right here is do do we think auto fiction is just a one?
1:11:46
Because I think we have 5 that have twos.
1:11:49
Yeah, that'd be good. OK, so we've got she still leads
1:11:53
me on what am I without you shadow self drive myself home
1:12:01
and personality disorder is I'm not skipping over you Jenny,
1:12:07
because but based on what you you just said, I am skipping
1:12:12
over you because of what you just said so.
1:12:15
No, that's that's totally valid. Adam, is there one that one of
1:12:20
these off autofiction that's really jumping out at you?
1:12:24
Yeah, well, that's so funny because I was about to say I'd
1:12:27
like Jenny to pick off of this one because she said really like
1:12:29
this album and I don't have any strong opinion on the songs on
1:12:34
this album, even though I really like the album so.
1:12:37
OK, well then let's let's get. Jenny, what do you think?
1:12:39
Yeah. I mean, I will say OK, so she
1:12:43
still leads me on. That was on my long list.
1:12:46
It just didn't make the final cut for whatever reason.
1:12:49
So I like that one and I really like What Am I without you?
1:12:53
That was probably what my favorite one on that album.
1:12:55
So between those two all. Right.
1:12:58
Do you have? A I'm happy with either.
1:13:01
OK. Do you have a strong feeling
1:13:02
either way, Gavin? No, no.
1:13:05
If Jenny really like what am I without you?
1:13:07
I that, then let's go with that. Yeah, that's my inclination too,
1:13:10
so let's do that. So that'll get us our auto
1:13:13
fiction representation. Boom and boom.
1:13:19
All right, now we're getting to the nitty gritty.
1:13:21
We've got 2 spots left and now to me, it's looking like these
1:13:25
antidepressant pics are out. I don't want to kill them off
1:13:30
yet because there is still 2 spots.
1:13:34
We've covered everything right? Auto fiction has something.
1:13:37
Suede has something coming up has something Dog Man star has
1:13:39
some Yeah we we covered it all. How's our spread looking?
1:13:45
Let me go over to this tab 112211.
1:13:50
So here's what we got left. If we're skipping any
1:13:55
depressants we've got so young, the next life, the asphalt
1:14:00
world, still life, metal Mickey, heroin, the drowners, we are the
1:14:08
pigs and lazy. So is there something jumping
1:14:13
out at you, Gavin? Yeah, I would take these are
1:14:25
those are all twos that you read, right?
1:14:27
Yes, I would take the next life off the first record.
1:14:32
All right, Adam, how do you feel about the next life?
1:14:38
I think that was the one you talked to about Peter, wasn't
1:14:42
it? Jenny was, yeah.
1:14:45
I think we, I think we should definitely take that.
1:14:47
Boom, on board. So on board.
1:14:51
All right, And then that brings us to Song 10.
1:14:56
If anybody has a song that they really want to fight for, I'm
1:14:59
tossing the ball in the air. I've I cannot I'm going to jump
1:15:06
in. I'm not sure if we've got any
1:15:10
sort of guitar freak out stuff represented too well.
1:15:15
So I I've this two off of well, it's probably 3 off of dog man
1:15:18
style that I'd be happy with. We are the pigs heroin or the
1:15:23
asphalt world? Personal favorite is heroin, but
1:15:26
I've only got 2 on it. But one of the I just wonder
1:15:31
about whether our our mix needs something a bit with the Ben of
1:15:36
Butler just fully fully garmental.
1:15:41
How do you feel about That's My Taste?
1:15:43
How do you feel about heroin, Gavin The song, not the drug.
1:15:52
Yeah, it's never been a song that like, really called to me,
1:15:55
but I defer to Adam on this. I mean, he's saying that it's
1:16:00
his favorite album and like. Oh yeah, it's my favorite album
1:16:04
and all of their albums. Not my, you know, so right,
1:16:07
right. But but but also, I'm not saying
1:16:10
I love that song over I mean, we are the pigs or the asphalt
1:16:14
world. I'd be happy with either of
1:16:15
those. Yeah.
1:16:18
Sorry, so it doesn't have to be that one.
1:16:20
Right, right. So we got So what do what do we
1:16:23
have off Dog Band star Justin? We have the Wild Ones and the
1:16:26
two of. Them the two of us, right?
1:16:28
Yeah. Yeah, I is.
1:16:31
That too much? No, it's not too much.
1:16:34
Justin, can you remind me what the seven, what the songs are we
1:16:39
have right now? I missed two of them somehow.
1:16:41
Sure, Animal nitrate trash. Disintegrate the wild ones.
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Beautiful ones, my dark star, the two of us.
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What am I without you? And the next life.
1:16:54
Do we only have one off the Dabo album?
1:16:56
Is that? It's two we got the next life
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and an animal nitrate. Yeah, OK.
1:17:05
Yeah, I'd be happy if you want to pick another one from the
1:17:07
Debut. I I feel like it's either the
1:17:09
Debut or Dog Man Star in my opinion because everything else
1:17:13
is represented pretty well. I'm going to, I think I'm going
1:17:16
to sit out the finals by Jenny. Do you got something strong
1:17:20
you're thinking about? Not really off of this album, I
1:17:26
I like the asphalt world, but the other two definitely caught
1:17:31
my attention. So it's it's really any,
1:17:35
anybody's game. I think I like Adam, I think I
1:17:39
like the asphalt world, not only cuz I mean cuz Jenny just
1:17:43
mentioned it and also I think it was the song that broke the
1:17:47
band. Yeah, Yeah.
1:17:50
I think I, I think that's a great choice to be honest.
1:17:53
You know what I mean? Playlist.
1:17:57
Yeah, if you have to pick the moment where the old suede ends
1:18:01
and the new one begins, it may be the asphalt world.
1:18:03
So let's go with that. I'm with it.
1:18:06
All right, so that's going to bring us to 10.
1:18:10
Let me run this down, and then we'll turn the heat up so we can
1:18:13
all sweat on what our next answer is.
1:18:16
So we've got animal nitrate trash, disintegrate the wild
1:18:20
ones, beautiful ones, My dark star, the two of us.
1:18:23
What am I without you? The next life and the asphalt
1:18:26
world rounds out our ten. Gavin, Of those 10, which one do
1:18:30
you think is the one? Oh man, there's some.
1:18:33
There's a lot in contention there.
1:18:35
I think it could be animal Nitrate.
1:18:39
I think it could be Beautiful Ones off coming up.
1:18:46
I think it could be trash. I mean, you could say that's
1:18:50
Suede's fucking theme song. I think it could be the wild
1:18:56
ones. In fact, it probably should be
1:18:59
the wild ones. Now that I'm talking, I'm going
1:19:01
to vote for the wild ones on that.
1:19:03
All right, What do you think, Jenny?
1:19:04
Do you have a inkling? I was kind of between the wild
1:19:08
ones and trash myself. So I don't know.
1:19:15
I'll I'll vote for both and then you guys can tie breaker.
1:19:20
All right. What do you think, Adam?
1:19:22
So before you said anything, I would have said Animal Night
1:19:25
straight, the wild ones or trash as well would have been the
1:19:29
three. And I actually think the wild
1:19:32
ones is is the best of those three.
1:19:36
Hey. Hey, I'm with it.
1:19:39
Yep. So let's lock that one in.
1:19:40
Yep. I I want to point out that
1:19:43
animal nitrate and trash would have been my inclination because
1:19:46
they were the unanimous. So yes, we were all kind of semi
1:19:52
in the same page, but I am again, I mentioned that I I wish
1:19:57
the audience would have come through for me.
1:19:59
They didn't. You failed me, but it's OK.
1:20:03
I failed myself. I didn't study enough.
1:20:06
So the wild ones is going to get.
1:20:07
Our number one sign of approval. Let me find this real quick on
1:20:11
the list and scroll it U to the top and I'll run this down one
1:20:15
last go and we will get on out of here.
1:20:19
Boom boom boom. Queue it U queue it U good the
1:20:26
wild ones is our number one and all nitrate trash disintegrate
1:20:30
beautiful ones my dark star the two of us what am I without you
1:20:34
the next life and the asphalt world rounds out our ten and
1:20:38
with that let's let the wild ones get a moment in the sun
1:20:42
there's. A sun.
1:20:50
Yeah, yeah, that's right. We did that right.
1:20:55
There we go. Go.
1:20:57
US. Go us.
1:20:58
We did it right. We have turned you on to suede.
1:21:01
You're very welcome Surprisingly, we might be
1:21:04
turning a lot of people on to suede because I'm just shocked I
1:21:08
did. I didn't get answers for this.
1:21:10
It's mind boggling sometimes, but what can you do?
1:21:13
Hey, if you'd like to answer this, you can follow me on
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threads at deprogram VA Throw me a I'm I'm forever as we're about
1:21:20
to record. I try to like at least give a
1:21:22
couple days before we record to, you know, find out what the
1:21:27
audience is thinking, You know, just just tell me what give me
1:21:31
like 4 or five songs and it, it really does help me shape my
1:21:36
list. Just saying.
1:21:37
So there's that boom. But if you would like to get
1:21:42
involved in like chat about it, there's also Discord, the Legion
1:21:46
of stupid Discord. Ask for a link.
1:21:48
I can get you that. But the easiest way is pledging
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to the show. patreon.com/show. Hi Justin, $1.00 a month gets
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you in the doorway. It gets you that automatic
1:21:57
invite to our Discord server, gets you the after the fact
1:22:01
conversation we're about to have.
1:22:02
It gets you the episodes of Deprogram before the rest of the
1:22:07
world. Boom boom boom.
1:22:09
Few things get tossed in here and there whenever whenever I
1:22:11
get around to them that happens on the Patreon.
1:22:15
Please consider it if you bump up to the $5 level.
1:22:18
I get it times is tough. So like I understand if you
1:22:22
don't want to do that, but it does come with an extra.
1:22:25
It gets into some secret channels on the Discord where we
1:22:29
often times talk, talk about how to make your money worth it and
1:22:34
just kind of discuss things at random and in different channels
1:22:37
and sometimes even put undercutter songs up there
1:22:40
before they're available. Just saying these are things
1:22:42
that happen in the Discord server through Patreon.
1:22:45
So consider all that. If you want to join the Patreon
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We are growing a tree in there. We are counting in there.
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There is a deprogram chat in there there.
1:22:57
There's a music panel in there or music league in there rather
1:23:01
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