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March Madness CFB Edition: Who's the Greatest College Football Playoff Team Ever? · The Extra Point

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  What's up y'all? You were listening to the Extra
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  Point College Football Podcast. I'm your host Jacob Carnes,
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  joined as always by my Co host Daniel Hammock.
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  Daniel, it is March this week. We've got the 1st and 2nd rounds
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  of the NCAA basketball tournament.
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  March Madness is here, which is always the number one.
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  It's a great time of year if you're a sports fan because
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  there's just sports on for like 4 days straight all day, every
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  day. You know, I remember having it
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  up in my phone or laptop at school and then work and phone
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  at work and always a lot of fun. It's also a great time, Daniel,
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  for brackets. You're going to see a lot of
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  brackets, food, candy, you know, logos, sports teams, I mean, you
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  name it, brands that there's brackets everywhere with people
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  doing stuff. We're going to do our own.
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  But of course, this is a college football podcast.
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  So Daniel here, here's what we decided.
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  We looked and we said, man, you know, people love comparing
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  teams from different areas. I wonder how many College
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  Football Playoff teams there have been.
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  And what do you know? There were exactly 64 teams that
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  have competed in the College Football Playoffs.
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  So you and I made a bracket. We'll go through the specifics
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  here in a minute. But we're going to use our
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  bracket to try to decide the best teams of the College
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  Football Playoff era. Daniel, That's what we're going
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  to do today. How you doing?
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  Great dude. This the stars aligned man.
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  For this to happen, we were just throwing ideas out there.
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  Obviously there is a little bit of bracket fatigue in the
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  college football world because all of a sudden with 12 teams,
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  you're always looking at a bracket.
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  So it's not as sweet as it once was, you know, But comparing
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  errors is perfect. And then like you said it just
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  so having to perfectly show up on a, a 6014 bracket.
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  So excited to see some of these matchups.
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  Some of them are repeat matchups.
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  We'll get into those. And we got at least one.
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  We got some fun regions for sure.
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  Daniel this is exciting because Pete, number one, this is a
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  feature, not a bug of college football.
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  People have always, always argued over which team is better
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  and why, whether it be two teams that won't, will or won't play
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  during the season, whether it's two teams that already played
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  and already have a result. We're still arguing.
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  This was the Notre Dame of Miami this last year.
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  We're still arguing over which team is better Now.
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  I'm like, guys, they played six weeks ago.
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  What are we? What are we doing?
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  It's a feature, not a bug for college football.
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  And comparing over areas is near impossible.
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  But it's only been about, you know, a little over a decade.
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  So we can at least try. All right, There's 64 teams,
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  Dingo. Here's how we seeded it.
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  Bill Conley has a great article linked down below over on ESPN
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  or if you're listening on podcast and the podcast episode
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  episode description. He used SP Plus to rank every
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  College Football Playoff team from one through 64 since he
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  uses computers and metrics. I'm like, great, I'm just going
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  to use that for our overall seating, All right?
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  And this is how the NCAA basketball tournament does
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  things is they seed the team's one through 64 and basically
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  Region 1 gets the number one overall seed.
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  Region 2 gets the number 2, Region 3 gets the number three,
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  Region 4 gets the number four, and then you snake it.
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  So like the number five overall seed becomes the two seed for
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  Region 4 and the number six overall seed becomes the two
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  seed. And you just keep going that way
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  until every team is in the bracket and seated.
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  So that's how we seated it. If you want to see those 64
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  rankings and you think they're wrong, argue with Bill down
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  below in the article. So you and I didn't seed it.
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  We just got we got the teams. And like, if you're following us
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  on social media, if you're not, you should at the extra point
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  pod. But you'll be able to find the
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  bracket on Daniel's Twitter, on my Twitter at Deep South Daniel
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  at Jacob Karn to the K linked below, and also on our Instagram
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  at the Extra Point pod so you can follow along visually.
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  Daniel, let's start with what we are calling the Alabama region.
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  Are these going to go the Alabama region people are?
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  Asked to be To be fair, a lot of Alabama teams have made the
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  College Ball playoffs. So let's get through Game 1.
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  Daniel. Here's our first matchup.
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  Number one seed, number one overall seed, 2020 This is
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  something Bill Connolly has put a stamp on since that team won
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  their national championship. Weird year, but a great year for
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  Alabama 13 and O and then the number 64 overall seed or in
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  this region, the 16 seed 2025 Tulane.
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  I think we got Alabama, but. Yeah, we're we're going to make
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  some of these easy all we're not going to get granular if it's a
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  layup. This was obviously an elite
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  Alabama team. Tulane, welcome.
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  I'm glad you're on the bracket. You made it.
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  Enjoy your early exit. No Cinderella story here.
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  No, all right, 2017 Oklahoma eight seed 2025 Ole Miss nine
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  seed. Daniel he got.
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  This one's fun. This is where you start to have,
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  you know, was this team better than that team?
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  2017 Oklahoma. This was the.
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  This is the Rose Bowl. Yeah.
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  Yes, the one Georgia beaten double.
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  Eligible team, Lincoln Riley in his bag with Baker Mayfield.
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  They have Kyler Murray as the backup quarterback.
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  I mean, this was this was special Ole Miss, man, they just
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  had this run, lose their coach and win two games in the playoff
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  against good teams. I think I'm still leaning
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  Oklahoma in this because I just think that they were they were
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  elite for sure on one side of the ball.
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  And I don't think that Ole Miss would have stopped them once
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  that offense for 2017, just remembering how lethal they
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  were. So I'm on Oklahoma.
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  I'm with you, 17 Oklahoma moving on.
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  All right, we've got five seed 2021 Alabama, the national
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  runner up against 2021 Cincinnati.
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  Daniel, this one's easy. This is our only rematch in the
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  first round. We saw this game.
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  Alabama beat them in the semi final.
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  So 21 Bama moves on four seed 2016 Alabama against 13 seed
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  2018 Notre Dame. Dingo, who you got?
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  2016 Alabama. I mean, I, I, I'm going to just
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  keep this one easy as well. Like, let's just it's 2016
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  Alabama. Yeah, lost in the last play of
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  the game. This was freshman Jalen Hurts.
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  This was a Lane Kiffin spread offense, dynamic offense.
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  Yeah, I think I'm with you on 16 Bama against that Notre Dame,
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  the 18 Notre Dame team. All right, Six seed, 2025 Ohio
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  State. We just saw this team play.
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  Talk about him this past year against 2024 in state.
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  Fun match up here, Daniel, 11 seed.
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  Who you got? Yeah, this one's fun 'cause
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  you're kind of, it's like these teams played, right?
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  They didn't play. They almost played very close to
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  have being have played. Yeah, this was got to go to Ohio
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  State. I think if they play that Penn
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  State team, think about how that Penn State team kind of ran out
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  of gas in the cultural playoff the year before.
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  They would have lost to 2024 Ohio State.
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  In fact, they did. But yeah, I think the 2025 Ohio
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  State, I don't think that's a, that's a reach 2025 Ohio State
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  over 24 Penn State. I'm in I'm in agreements there.
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  And how we're doing this, by the way, is Daniel and I are picking
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  this live. We've not talked about it
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  beforehand. So if we have a disagreement,
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  we're going to debate it out right here in the podcast.
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  And you can you can yell at us in the comments about why we're
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  right or wrong about who won these match shifts as well.
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  So we'd love your input and feedback.
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  All right, no disagreement so far, Daniel.
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  We go to a 314 matchup, 2018 Alabama against 2019 Oklahoma.
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  Who you got? Yeah, I mean, that 2018 Bama
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  team had two NFL quarterbacks on it, Actually three.
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  They had three NFL quarterbacks on it.
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  So they were special, They could win with anybody, defence was
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  elite, and they had like 4 Bulletnikoff winners at wide
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  receiver. So give me 18 Bama.
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  I'm with you in agreements, I promise I will give input, but
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  we got a lot of games to get through.
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  I agree with you. So we're going to move on.
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  We're plenty of time to talk about these teams.
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  All right? 710 matchup, 24 Notre Dame
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  against 23 Texas. Who you got, Daniel?
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  24 Notre Dame. National runner up.
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  National runner up versus. Talking to Ohio State, 23, lost
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  in the semi final to Washington. They lost to Washington.
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  They had Xavier Worthy 80, Mitchell at receiver, Queen
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  years QB. To Vondre sweat on the defensive
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  line. Yeah, give me I I'm Texas on
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  this one. I think Texas.
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  I'm beaten, dude. I'm trying to find.
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  It's our first upset. I'm trying to find something
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  where we disagree, but we are in lockstep here we have a.
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  That was their their defensive line is.
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  The difference to me in that game is I know Notre Dame also
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  had a good offensive line, but that was a dominant interior
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  defensive line with Sweat and Byron Murphy special teams.
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  It's a shame that team couldn't go to the natty that year and
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  play Michigan. Also, some of these, it's like
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  you're comparing the different CFP eras, so you've got like 4
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  team era versus 12 team era and we'll get to some, several of
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  these that are layups are like 12 team era teams that have
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  gotten in and it's like you forget how excellent the four
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  team era people were to get in. So I think there's something to
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  be said about, you know, Texas having to get in and everything
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  like that. So all that be said, Texas over
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  Notre Dame, we're on the same side.
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  I love it. All right, this one should be
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  easy. 2015 Michigan State, 2017 Alabama.
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  Daniel, we go. We go on Bamba for this one.
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  Yeah, that's all right. That's 2017, Bama.
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  Okay. All right, round of 32 in the
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  same region, we've got 2020 Alabama against 2017 Oklahoma.
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  Yeah, I Bama finished the deal. Oklahoma didn't.
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  It's not only about that, but this Bama team was complete.
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  OU was lacking defence and they weren't going to be able to.
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  Then I'll be able to hang with Bama when it comes to that.
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  This is a fun one, Daniel. We're going to do this a couple
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  more times comparing Alabama teams 2021 Alabama against 2016
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  Alabama. I I'll give some up here.
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  I think I'm going 21 Alabama I Bryce Young, it's the best
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  quarterback Nick Saban's ever had.
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  And it's not just like, oh, quarterback and like, oh, you
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  know, Jaywen Hurd's and Bryce Young.
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  But that offense was so dynamic because he was so clutch.
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  And I think the 21 defense, you got it like Will Anderson,
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  Dallas Turner, like I think they could have just dropped 8 and
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  rushed the passer and made Jaywen Hurd's beat.
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  And we saw what happened when Alabama was made to do that.
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  And it wasn't until a year later in the 17 matchup and Nick Saban
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  had to change quarterback. So that that's why I would lean
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  21 Bama. I'm doing the same thing. 16
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  Bama had its flaws and the they could beat teams that they were
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  just better than, which I know just sounds cliche, but they
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  were always good enough to do that.
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  But whenever they were met with an elite matchup, that's where
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  things faltered. And Jalen Hurts ended up being
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  that dude. He just was not that year.
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  He was a safe guy that year. So we're comparing the the year
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  itself. So 21 Bama, I'm with you.
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  They made it all the way to the national championship game and
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  you know, short of Stetson Bennett comeback.
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  Yeah. You know, and a pick six they
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  would have, they would have won. I love.
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  All right. We're in agreements there. 25
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  Ohio State 18 Alabama both lost in the semi final is that right?
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  Yes, Ohio State got kicked before.
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  That forgot. Full team playoff, man.
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  I'm like, they pretty much worked.
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  I mean, they were a Top 14 this year. 25 Ohio State against 18
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  Alabama. Who you got?
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  This 18 Alabama team? Was this the one that got blown
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  out by Clemson? In the natty, yes.
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  And then OK, OK. I'll tell you, I would go Bama.
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  I will get to the 2018 Clemson. I hold that team in very high
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  regard because I mean, Daniel that we, we were not doing the
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  podcast yet, but I had a 2018. I had a guy who's a big Clemson
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  fan of my small group of church and I'm like, dude, it's gonna
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  be a miracle if y'all keep it within 20 with Alabama.
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  I just remember thinking like that 18 Alabama team was so much
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  better than the 17 team. They went in undefeated.
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  They blew out Oklahoma and the semi where it was like 28
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  nothing. And it's like, oh, wow, Like the
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  the the vibe going into the daddy was they're going to blow
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  out Clemson. So I don't want to let that game
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  like poison this team. I think 18 Alabama would win
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  this game, but what city? And that was Tua had like a
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  broken ankle, right? He had like a broken ankle.
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  And they like, taped it together and like duct tape and then.
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  Or was that 19? I'm trying to help it to a no,
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  he didn't think it hurt 19. 19 he got hurt.
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  Yeah, yeah. OK.
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  Just making sure we have the right guy.
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  OK so this was healthy Bama, everything.
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  They were dominant up until that point.
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  Yeah, let's I would say Bama in this one.
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  Bama All right, then we've got 17 Alabama championship team
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  against 23 Texas. I think more interesting than I
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  when I first looked at it, I'd still go Alabama here.
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  I think they have more ways to win, less weaknesses in that 23
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  Texas team. And obviously they won a natty,
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  but they did lose a game 26 to 14 to Auburn that year.
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  But I'd still go 17 Alabama. Yeah, it's funny because you can
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  get, you get to pick who your quarterback is because they both
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  started or they both played, not started.
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  They both played. And the reason that the 17 Bama
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  team won their natty was because they swapped it to A.
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  Right. Famously at halftime, so you
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  could play two different offenses.
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  So yeah, I I think this 17 Bama team is too strong for 23 Texas
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  and their champion. All right, Daniel, This is why I
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  called this the this is the Alabama region and here's why
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  we're in the Sweet 16 for Alabama teams to choose from.
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  So there is a Bama team going to the Final Four.
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  Here we go 4 different. Starting quarterbacks.
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  That's right. 2020 Alabama versus 2021 Alabama.
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  This is easy for me, but what say you?
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  Yeah, 20 Bama is is better. They're better defensively.
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  I mean they have both of them have elite receivers 2020 Bama
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  is like 6 deep at receiver that are all NFL receivers and Bama
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  is like 2 or 3 deep at receiver so.
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  Elite secondary Pat certain and that secondary elite pass rush
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  will record going perfect on field goals and extra points all
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  season. Yeah, 20 Bama.
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  I've kind of showed my car to Daniel 2018 Bama against 2017
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  Bama. I would lean 18 Bama personally,
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  even though they didn't get the job done.
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  This is a one loss team. If I remember trying to see
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  yeah, one lost team on the lost big in the natty Again, this is
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  what's tough about these matchups.
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  Is this a tournament format? Are we and we can talk about
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  this, but are these teams at their peak, for example, like 24
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  Ohio State will be a fun case study.
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  Went 10 and 2. What am I catching?
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  You know could. They were by far the hottest,
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  most talented team when they won their title the end of the year.
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  Right. This is a playoff bracket.
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  Yeah, regular season you're looking I mean 2018 Bama on a
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  week in week out basis. If you're rolling the dice and
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  you're getting their aggregate of what they were, 2018 Bama is
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  better than 2017 Bama. I agree there. 2017 obviously
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  achieved the ultimate goal of of winning an Addy.
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  They missed the SEC Championship.
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  Because of their loss to Auburn. They lost to Auburn.
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  Is that their only? That was their only loss.
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  Only loss and this is where I'll say 2017 Bama, if you remember
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  that regular season all year, the the buzz was OK.
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  You know, after coming off that 2016 season where they lose in
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  the natty with Hertz's quarterback, it's gosh, can they
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  win with Hertz? Can they win the title with
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  Hertz and it took them switching to 2A2 is the start of the whole
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  18 season, you know, and like, of course, her test his moment,
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  the SEC title game. But that's why I think the
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  offense was so much more explosive because they finally
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  played the better quarterback, right for that offense with 2A.
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  That's why I'd lean 18. Bam it even though they didn't
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  win at all. Wow.
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  This is a very good. It's a good one.
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  I think what if you asked Alabama fans?
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  Because you would be like, you know, on the one hand, 2017, you
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  won an Addy, but hey, which one of these teams didn't lose to
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  Auburn? You know, so that would be 2018.
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  I'm look, this is where you get in trouble comparing eras.
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  If you're prisoner of the moment with 2017 winning an Addy.
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  The 2018 team could have won the natty in 2017.
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  In fact, they did. So yeah, most of those guys were
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  back. I would say most of the 18
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  probably beat 17 because there are a lot of the similar players
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  and they're a year older. You're more mature and better
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  chemistry, that kind of thing. So I'll take 18 Bama over 17.
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  I'll agree with you. And then Daniel lastly for Elite
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  8 matchup, I'd take 20 Bama over 18 Bama.
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  I think that was one of Saban's best teams.
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  Even though it was a COVID year, I still think like what what I
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  watch with my eyes. They were so dominant and that
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  roster is so dominant. Would you also go 20 / 18?
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  If you'd argue during the era and even just post era it and
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  again the teams are the teams, the teams are different.
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  But we're arguing if you just talked about quarterbacks, if
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  you were ranking because we've got to that.
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  Those four teams left 20 Bama, 21 Bama, 18 Bama and 17 Bama.
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  You've got Mac Jones on this 20 Bama team, 21 Bama is Bryce
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  Young, 18 Bama is to A, 17 Bama is Jalen.
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  And if you had Bama fans rank them, I think Mac Jones most of
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  the time would have been ranked last.
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  Now during this era, I'm saying now looking back, I mean they
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  never won an Addy with Bryce Young.
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  So I think there's maybe a little that shine has come off
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  of him, you know, so on and so forth.
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  But it's funny because he you would argue that he's the least
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  talented. He was third on the depth chart
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  when at least three of these quarterbacks were on on the same
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  team. So it's crazy to think, but his
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  Bama team was the best. SO2020 Bama takes the region.
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  I love it. All right, let's move down to
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  Daniel. We're we're what we, we, we
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  can't with any for this region. At first we didn't have one.
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  This one is the grab bag. The grab bag, Yes.
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  Why is that, Daniel? Why is it the grab bag?
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  Well, when you look at it, everybody, you're going to see
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  that this one is just a mix of hey, you've got 2025 Indiana,
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  who is elite and was very special.
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  You also got random 2024 Boise State.
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  You've got 2024 Arizona State. You know, you've got 202323
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  Michigan. That's good.
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  OK, good job, you know? Yeah, 24 Tennessee.
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  Then you've got 2025 Texas Tech. And where, where did SMU come
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  from? They're in here, 24 SMU.
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  So you've got a lot of randos in here, maybe the rando region, I
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  don't know. Anyways, this one.
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  'S weird. I like the grab bag.
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  I like the thought of like putting your hand in the bag,
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  pulling out like huh, 24 SMU interesting.
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  I mean even yeah, I mean even 25.
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  I mean, if you're, you know, telling us a year ago you're
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  pulling out 2025 Indians, does that say 16 and O like what in
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  the world? Unbelievable.
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  Unbelievable. All right, first round matchup,
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  Daniel one versus 16 matchup, 2025 Indiana against 2024 SMU.
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  I'm guessing we both got the Hoosiers moving on.
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  We'll have a chance to talk about.
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  It disrespect to my Mustangs, but yeah, we'll go 25.
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  Daniel's Mustangs. Yeah.
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  All right, 8-9 matchup. Always one of the more
• 20:15
  interesting matchups in any bracket if it's seated
• 20:18
  correctly. 23 Washington against 2025 Texas Tech.
• 20:22
  This was very easy for me. Daniel and I think one of these
• 20:26
  is over seeded and ones under seeded.
• 20:28
  I like 23 Washington. Yes, that's where I'm going to,
• 20:32
  yeah. I was hoping that that was the
• 20:34
  case. Texas Tech, it's a crime that
• 20:37
  they didn't get, you know? I'm excited to see them go
• 20:40
  further and everything. They dominated the Big 12 this
• 20:43
  year. They did.
• 20:44
  Again, this is going from a fourteen playoff to a 12 team
• 20:48
  playoff era team and Washington had to be excellent.
• 20:52
  There is down the stretch there are several games we picked
• 20:55
  against them. I remember saying there's no way
• 20:56
  this team wins. Yep.
• 20:57
  And then they want and this is Caitlin de Boer in his bag.
• 21:00
  Michael Pinnix shout out Atlanta Falcons him in his bag.
• 21:04
  They had a good squad that year. So I I would go 23 Washington.
• 21:09
  All right, 512 matchup, 2015 Clemson, 2016 Ohio State, but
• 21:15
  both a tale of what could have been. 2016 Ohio State did not
• 21:20
  win their conference, correct, that was.
• 21:23
  Correct was the one year they lost to Penn State in the
• 21:26
  regular season. Right, right.
• 21:27
  OK. And then but 2015.
• 21:29
  They got beat like 31, nothing or whatever it was in the semi
• 21:33
  against Clemson. Against Clemson, yeah.
• 21:35
  And then Clemson in 2015 goes to the natty and then loses to
• 21:40
  Bama. As the one seed.
• 21:42
  As the yeah yeah. On Sidekick changes the game.
• 21:46
  Right, right, OK, we're all tracking.
• 21:49
  I'm I'm going to go to Clemson because Clemson was excellent
• 21:54
  during this run. And I think that we need to you
• 21:57
  know, they Clemson obviously, you know, breaks the breaks the
• 22:01
  ceiling on the next year. But this one still this is this
• 22:05
  is a very good Clemson team in in 2015.
• 22:09
  All right, we have the 413. We've got the team to beat, that
• 22:11
  Clemson team, Alabama and 24 Tennessee.
• 22:14
  Again, one of the easier ones for me.
• 22:16
  Yeah, give me Alabama. Not overcomplicated.
• 22:19
  This is This is 2015 Alabama with I love it.
• 22:24
  Maybe the greatest coaching staff ever assembled.
• 22:26
  Yeah, that that's totally fit. That matters in close games.
• 22:29
  All right, Daniel, we've got 2611 game, 2014 Alabama, 2017
• 22:34
  Clemson. This is another kind of easy one
• 22:36
  for me, Daniel. I'll take 14 Alabama.
• 22:38
  I think people forget how dominant that team was before
• 22:40
  getting the buzz saw of Ohio State.
• 22:43
  They got hot late. When they ran through the Heart
• 22:44
  of Dixie, I went. I went easy.
• 22:47
  Elliot ran through the Heart of Dixie on that long touchdown
• 22:50
  run. And this was that 17 Clemson
• 22:53
  team, the Kelly Bryant like the the one the one gap year in
• 22:56
  between their two generational quarterbacks they had.
• 22:58
  This is one a lot of 1 score ACC.
• 23:00
  Game this is the one that in the S in the Sugar Bowl, if I
• 23:05
  remember correctly, when they faced Alabama, the same one we
• 23:08
  kind of said had a pedestrian offense.
• 23:10
  Alabama just pulled pulled the guys and said hey, we're not
• 23:13
  throwing the ball anymore. They ran the ball, played
• 23:16
  defense, and they just existed for, you know, and they did that
• 23:21
  in a playoff game. So yeah, not trying to
• 23:24
  disrespect 2017 Clemson, specifically Kelly Bryant, but
• 23:28
  this one's 14. Bam, I'm with you.
• 23:31
  Then we've got 314 game 2016 Clemson national champions
• 23:36
  against 2024 Arizona State. Another easy one from me,
• 23:39
  Daniel, we're going to talk about in the beginning of the
• 23:41
  second. Give me 16 Clemson.
• 23:42
  I'm assuming you're on board with that.
• 23:43
  Yeah, repost, all right. A fun one.
• 23:47
  A 710 matchup 2022 Ohio State against 2016 Washington.
• 23:54
  This is very easy for me. Yeah, 22 Ohio State is.
• 23:59
  I mean, they were a field goal away from winning an Addy so.
• 24:04
  In that Washington team we I'm surprised how high they rated an
• 24:08
  St. Plus because I think if you just
• 24:11
  ask from the 14 era historically what were the worst teams to
• 24:13
  ever make the playoff. I think you're mentioning 2015
• 24:16
  Michigan State, 21 Cincinnati, 2016 Washington in the same
• 24:20
  sentence. Was that Jake Browning was their
• 24:22
  quarterback? Yes, OK.
• 24:24
  Yes, they played in the Peach Bowl against Alabama in the semi
• 24:28
  that year. Wolf Yeah.
• 24:30
  Wolf. Wolf is right.
• 24:32
  Buzz, his girlfriend, Wolf. Dude, last, last, last Peach
• 24:35
  Bowl in the Georgia Dome. RIP.
• 24:37
  All right, the 215 game, another easy one for me. 23 Michigan 15
• 24:41
  or no against 24 Boise State. Obviously Boise.
• 24:49
  All right, Daniel, back to the top.
• 24:50
  All right. Another, I say.
• 24:53
  Another easy one for me. Indiana 25, Indiana 23.
• 24:56
  Washington. I think Indiana blows him out.
• 25:00
  I don't know what blows him out, but beats him good.
• 25:03
  To be fair, Indiana blew out a lot of teams this year, so maybe
• 25:06
  that is fair. I don't think I'm being a
• 25:09
  prisoner in the moment there, am I?
• 25:11
  Well, we've seen these two coaches go head to head and it
• 25:14
  happened this year and Indiana Blue blew him out.
• 25:17
  So for what it's worth, you know, I don't think that I think
• 25:21
  if there's a coaching edge, I would obviously lead lean
• 25:24
  towards Signetti. And I mean, that's important.
• 25:27
  We did at least see that. So yeah, give me, give me, give
• 25:30
  me Indiana 2025 Indiana. Next one, we've seen this match
• 25:34
  up, it's the 2015 national Championship Alabama versus
• 25:37
  Clemson, so we will respect the results of the game. 15 Alabama
• 25:42
  moves on there thanks to a great onside kick by Nick Saban.
• 25:46
  I'm thinking still. All right, here's a fun 114 Bama
• 25:51
  16 Clemson. I say a fun one.
• 25:52
  This is again an easy one for me.
• 25:54
  I'll take the team that won the national championship.
• 25:57
  I guess the team that came up short, not just because of that,
• 25:59
  but I mean, I, I don't want to show my hands too much.
• 26:02
  That 16 Clemson team was special.
• 26:05
  I think that's the best Clemson team in their school's history.
• 26:08
  Yeah, you had Deshawn. I take that back.
• 26:11
  Eighteen team was best. I was going to say 18, yeah.
• 26:14
  One of the two, obviously. But an elite defensive line.
• 26:18
  Both of their years they had elite defensive lines, which is
• 26:20
  funny because it's like, which one was better?
• 26:22
  They're both very good. The second was better, but
• 26:25
  they're both very good for Clemson.
• 26:28
  And then yeah, 2014 Bama, they just didn't, they had not
• 26:33
  reached the point where they were the I would almost split
• 26:37
  these Bamas. We're going to have to do that
• 26:39
  at a certain point. But you split these Bama eras
• 26:41
  into the Bama one point O and the Bama 2 point O or Sabin one
• 26:45
  point O, Sabin 2 point O. And he evolved.
• 26:48
  I think he truly did. And I think that it happened
• 26:51
  during the 2017 season is when he evolved.
• 26:54
  So you had that was, you know that before that he had just
• 26:58
  essentially reached the peak of Sabin one point O or Bamba, one
• 27:01
  point of whatever we want to call it.
• 27:03
  And then it it changed and Clemson was already kind of
• 27:06
  operating, you know, differently at that point.
• 27:10
  I would argue this or on the stocking point, I would push
• 27:13
  back and argue. I think they changed after the
• 27:15
  14th season. That was when they they brought
• 27:17
  in Tom Herman and said how in the world did you exploit our
• 27:20
  defense? He hires Lynn Kiffin that
• 27:23
  offseason. I got they tried to.
• 27:25
  Change. No, they tried, they changed.
• 27:27
  I mean, you had Blake Sims and Jake Coker as your quarterbacks.
• 27:30
  Maybe. My point is they finally got the
• 27:33
  players that aligned. With the scheme and they were
• 27:35
  finally clicking by. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:38
  So that's that's fair. Maybe, maybe we do move the that
• 27:43
  change up. It doesn't change the results of
• 27:45
  this game 16. 16 Daniel, This one's interesting 2022 Ohio
• 27:50
  State, I would identify and say one of the best teams to not to
• 27:53
  not win a national championship, right?
• 27:56
  One of one of my 2, I'll save the we haven't talked about the
• 27:59
  other one yet against 23 Michigan.
• 28:02
  Just on paper, Daniel, I'm just looking at these rosters in
• 28:04
  these teams with different logos.
• 28:06
  I'm saying give me Ohio State easy as a seven seed moving on.
• 28:11
  But it's Ohio State, Michigan in the years 2022 or 2023 and
• 28:15
  Michigan owned them at that point.
• 28:17
  So I'm just saying give me Michigan.
• 28:19
  Is that fair? It that's fair.
• 28:23
  I mean, Ohio State lost to Michigan this year, right?
• 28:26
  In 22 and in 23, so yes. So that was their only loss
• 28:30
  before the semi. That's why they were not a one
• 28:33
  or two seed. Right.
• 28:35
  They should have been a two seed that year to be fair and they
• 28:37
  lost in Michigan. Oh, man, yeah.
• 28:40
  They were they were special though this going against that
• 28:44
  Georgia team of the way they, you know, losing that Georgia
• 28:47
  team. They were owning them for a
• 28:49
  while in that game and they this is the Peach Bowl for in 22 for
• 28:55
  Ohio State. And I think that seeing the way
• 28:58
  CJ Stroud played in that game, I just you know, if you're on the
• 29:04
  surface, like you said, if I was just looking, I'm like, again,
• 29:08
  it's not only about quarterbacks.
• 29:09
  The I think the lines of scrimmage are, are big as well,
• 29:13
  but I think that they both have really good lines of scrimmage.
• 29:15
  But man, come out JJ McCarthy versus CJ Stroud, man, I would
• 29:24
  really, I, I'd lean Ohio State, but I, I can respect the fact
• 29:30
  that we need to acknowledge that this is Ohio State, Michigan and
• 29:34
  Michigan was right in the heart of owning them each of these
• 29:37
  years and they beat them both of.
• 29:39
  Them they beat them twice as a starter.
• 29:41
  He did once as a backup. That and to be fair, that
• 29:44
  Michigan defense was unbelievable in 2023.
• 29:47
  Yeah, yeah. To to be fair to that team,
• 29:50
  unbelievable run game. Brandon Graham.
• 29:52
  Yeah, they yeah, let's go. We could.
• 29:54
  I mean, 23 Michigan makes sense. I can.
• 29:57
  I can hear that argument. So let's do 23 Michigan.
• 30:00
  All right, Daniel, we've got in this region two games left, 25
• 30:06
  Indiana against 15 Alabama. This is kind of a you talk about
• 30:10
  two areas. These are two different areas of
• 30:12
  football. 10 years apart. 10 years apart, I think I'd lean
• 30:17
  Indiana again. I think if you look at the
• 30:20
  roster, it isn't. But this is where Indiana still
• 30:22
  doesn't make sense this year. I know they're going to have
• 30:24
  guys drafted, but I'm still looking at Indiana's roster
• 30:27
  compared to the rosters they beat and destroyed this year in
• 30:30
  college football and it doesn't make any sense.
• 30:32
  I don't think I've ever seen a team click like 25 Indiana did.
• 30:35
  I think I would take 25 Indiana over 2015 Bama.
• 30:38
  It's just I'm trying to put some respect on what I just watched
• 30:40
  because I datted them all season while also trying to balance
• 30:43
  being a prisoner at the moment. Both teams won an Addy.
• 30:45
  Indiana was unbeaten, Bama lost. I know Bama is going to have a
• 30:48
  ton of defensive talent. Indiana's defense played so
• 30:52
  soundly this year. They're so well coached.
• 30:56
  I think I'd go Indiana, but I'm willing to hear an argument for
• 30:59
  15 Alabama. So if we're going to if we're
• 31:02
  going to just, you know, obviously Alabama lost the game
• 31:06
  that year to Ole Miss. That was the one of the Bo
• 31:10
  Wallace like, you know, triple ricochet tips into Laquan.
• 31:15
  What a game. 4337 Otherwise, they were, I mean, they were
• 31:22
  hurting people every, every opportunity they got.
• 31:26
  Yeah, they beat LSU, who at the time was #2 in the country, you
• 31:32
  know, by two touchdowns. Everyone else, I mean, they're
• 31:35
  blowing them out. That was a very good Clemson
• 31:38
  team that they played and they beat them.
• 31:41
  God, I just think about having Lane Kiffin as offensive
• 31:44
  coordinator, having Kirby Smart as defensive coordinator, having
• 31:48
  all of those, all those great coaches on your roster with that
• 31:52
  roster, you know? Dude, I mean, I'm just saying
• 31:58
  what what, what, what if we fast for 10 years and Bryant Haynes
• 32:03
  has been Michigan State's head coach and they're coming off of
• 32:06
  back-to-back playoff appearances.
• 32:08
  You know what I mean? Like this is where I I both
• 32:10
  don't want to be a person at the moment, but also we don't have
• 32:13
  the all right, look at that staff from 10 years ago for
• 32:17
  Indiana right now. Let's just imagine for a moment.
• 32:21
  All right, you've got Kirby Smart LED defense.
• 32:25
  You've got an offense that includes Derrick Henry.
• 32:32
  But the this one, this what I'm saying about Indiana is look at
• 32:35
  the teams they beat this year where you would have said look
• 32:38
  at the NFL talent on Oregon's roster, on Ohio State's roster,
• 32:41
  on Miami's roster, on Penn State's roster, like these teams
• 32:45
  they blew out. I agree with you that that's why
• 32:47
  I'm still confused by what Indiana just did.
• 32:50
  And I think 15 days are playing. That this this roster, though,
• 32:55
  you're going to go back when you're going back to the era,
• 32:57
  you're also going back to a deeper roster.
• 33:00
  So they're going against an Alabama roster that includes
• 33:05
  Reggie Raglan, Reuben Foster, Jeron Reed, a Sean Robinson,
• 33:08
  Eddie Jackson, Minka Fitzpatrick, Marlon Humphrey,
• 33:11
  you know, Jonathan Allen, Dalvin Tomlinson.
• 33:15
  Dude, these are some Sean Dion Hamilton, Tim Williams.
• 33:20
  Yeah, that's Rashawn Evans. For what it's worth, I don't
• 33:26
  have Indiana moving the final four, for what it's worth, if
• 33:28
  that changes your mind at all. But I'm willing to go Bama here
• 33:31
  if you if you like her. For you.
• 33:34
  You want to plant your flag here for Alabama.
• 33:36
  I'm not a Bama apologist, trust me, but they had Calvin Ridley,
• 33:42
  who is like 30 years old at receiver at this time because he
• 33:45
  is like graduated at 21 from high school.
• 33:49
  You got OJ Howard at tight end. I mean those guys for the most
• 33:55
  part, you know that they didn't have a ton out wide.
• 33:58
  You are dealing with Jake Coker at quarterback.
• 34:01
  But I. Think it's Mendoza.
• 34:04
  But you've got Derek. Henry.
• 34:06
  Kenyon Drake, Damien Harris, Beau Scarborough.
• 34:11
  I mean, just got dudes on dudes. You got the YMCA in your
• 34:14
  backfield. This is unbelievable.
• 34:17
  Derek, number one run defense of the country for Indiana.
• 34:20
  Was told that he needed to move to linebacker and he said, Nah,
• 34:25
  this guy was special. And he was, yeah, Heisman Trophy
• 34:28
  winner. I would say this needs to be
• 34:31
  Alabama. If it's me with the coaching
• 34:33
  staff they have and the depth specifically, I think that they
• 34:38
  would have guys to stop this offense to a certain extent and
• 34:43
  then they'd be able to impose their will.
• 34:45
  You've also got that elite offensive line.
• 34:48
  Yeah, I I would I, I have a tough time saying Indiana beats
• 34:52
  15. All right, I'll, I'll let you
• 34:56
  have this one. We'll do this.
• 34:58
  If we're stuck on the next one, we'll go with me and then we'll
• 35:01
  switch. Well, we'll do the little
• 35:02
  possession arrow. I like that that's the only
• 35:04
  fairway. All right, so I'll I'll give you
• 35:07
  15 Bama here next. Next time we'll, you know,
• 35:10
  possession Arrow will be all right. 16 Clemson against 23
• 35:16
  Michigan. This one's fair.
• 35:18
  I'm not going to say easy. I would go 16 Clemson.
• 35:22
  Yeah. Here, I think a much more
• 35:25
  dynamic offense, a well coached, elite Brent Venables defense.
• 35:30
  Do you like my one? If I'd go the other way would be
• 35:33
  Michigan's defensive line against Clemson's offensive
• 35:36
  line. But I think Deshaun Watson kind
• 35:38
  of makes that a mute point, as he did his entire career and as
• 35:41
  Trevor Lawrence did his entire career at Clemson, because they
• 35:44
  never really had been on the offensive line and it didn't
• 35:47
  really matter. 23 Michigan. So you go.
• 35:50
  On Clemson as well. OK, now this is interesting.
• 35:55
  2016 Clemson against 2015 Alabama for US trips to the
• 36:00
  Final four. This is a a three seed against a
• 36:05
  four seed Daniel for a trip to the final four.
• 36:08
  Two teams that are kind of had similar rosters.
• 36:10
  They played in the title game, they played each other in both
• 36:13
  of these years. Or 15.
• 36:15
  Bama 1 and Addie 16. Clemson 1 and Addie.
• 36:18
  I think I'd go 16 Clemson. More dynamic quarterback.
• 36:22
  Think different. I don't know if I'd lean
• 36:25
  receiver. I would lean defensive line.
• 36:27
  No, I'd lean to fit to find Alabama.
• 36:29
  I'm talking myself in Alabama. As I say, 20 in here.
• 36:33
  Oh, it's tough. Mike Williams.
• 36:36
  Ben Boulware Wow, this was these are just great to.
• 36:42
  Just name naming dudes. Just naming dudes.
• 36:44
  Hunter Renfro Hunter Renfro Wilkins was young.
• 36:47
  Was special. They scored 40 points a game.
• 36:50
  Clemson did. They gave up eighteen points a
• 36:52
  game. Great pass rush.
• 36:54
  They they played in close games like they were down to Alabama
• 36:59
  in the fourth quarter. Went and lost.
• 37:01
  Their one loss was a crazy turnover game in Pitt.
• 37:05
  Multiple interceptions to pit in the regular season.
• 37:07
  Bam was one loss we talked about was that crazy play Ole Miss
• 37:10
  game at home. Clemson beat Ohio State 31
• 37:14
  nothing in the semi final this year.
• 37:17
  What was Oh didn't Bama got handed Michigan State in the
• 37:20
  semi final for their year? Lol that OK I'll say this that
• 37:25
  31 O like playoff if you I don't live here.
• 37:29
  That was a shock at the time. Yeah.
• 37:31
  Nobody expect like that was not like this.
• 37:34
  You know, Ohio State, it's kind of not as good.
• 37:36
  This is Ohio State peak Urban Meyer.
• 37:38
  Yeah. This might have caused him to
• 37:39
  quit man. Yeah, and like, it's so tough,
• 37:42
  recency bias because, like, at the time, I mean, Dabo could do
• 37:46
  no wrong. Now people look at Dabo like
• 37:49
  he's a village idiot because he hasn't updated his, you know, he
• 37:54
  hasn't, he hasn't evolved. But at the time?
• 37:56
  At the time. I mean.
• 37:58
  This was literally him breaking this, you know, him finally
• 38:02
  breaking through and and winning it all.
• 38:05
  Doing it his way. Doing it his way so you feel
• 38:08
  like the buy in, you know, beating.
• 38:09
  Saban. Beating Saban, It's funny
• 38:12
  because the 16 team was, you know, obviously their big
• 38:16
  breakthrough was beating 15 Alabama.
• 38:18
  Beating 16 Alabama, excuse me, but 15 Alabama.
• 38:21
  Their big thing was still holding off, holding off
• 38:24
  Clemson. So it's like both of these, it's
• 38:26
  like unstoppable force me to movable object a little bit.
• 38:30
  I think that this is a very good and this is a good match up.
• 38:35
  Here's how you beat 2015 Alabama.
• 38:37
  Can you take a 10 O lead and force Jake Coker to throw?
• 38:40
  Could Clemson have done that? Yeah, I think they could.
• 38:44
  This really good defensive line. And then you've got your best,
• 38:49
  the best version of Deshaun Watson in in college, the very
• 38:53
  best. And you've also got the
• 38:56
  hungriest because he's already lost to this 15 Bama team, so he
• 38:59
  gets to play him again. That's kind of what the feeling
• 39:02
  was when he got to play him in 16 was Yep, he got to, he got
• 39:06
  another chance at him and this time he made the most of it.
• 39:09
  So I've talked myself into 16 Clemson.
• 39:13
  There you go. I'm with you.
• 39:14
  All right, who won The Who won the Heisman in 2016?
• 39:18
  It wasn't the shot. Oh, that was Lamar, wasn't it?
• 39:21
  That was Lamar. It was that's right.
• 39:23
  I was like, why didn't the Sean win it?
• 39:25
  Because 15, of course, Henry win the Heisman.
• 39:27
  All right, Daniel, we moved to the region of death is what I'm
• 39:29
  calling. I think this is by far the
• 39:31
  hardest region. And of course that means we
• 39:33
  begin with what many people regard to be the greatest team
• 39:36
  of all time, or at least the one they've watched.
• 39:38
  If you've been a college football fan of the last decade,
• 39:41
  2019 LSU is the one seed in this region.
• 39:45
  Their first match up a 16 seed, 24 Clemson.
• 39:50
  Do we need to have a conversation here, Daniel, or
• 39:52
  can we just go ahead and move on?
• 39:54
  19 LS. The Bengal Tigers next all
• 39:57
  right, the 8-9 match up. This is this is a really fun one
• 40:00
  because teams from the same year, 2025 Oregon, 2025 Georgia,
• 40:06
  these teams did not play you and I I think picked them to play in
• 40:10
  the natty. In our bracket for this past
• 40:13
  year, I know who I picked. My pick was simple because I
• 40:16
  talked myself into Oregon today and then I was like, you know
• 40:19
  what, at the time when the tournament started, I I had
• 40:23
  picked Georgia. And so that was going to be my
• 40:25
  pick is like I might logically at the end of the year, looking
• 40:29
  at how the full 1213 game sample size, I said I think 2025
• 40:35
  Georgia beats 2025 Oregon if they play that next week.
• 40:39
  That's where I was at with it. Daniel, what say you?
• 40:42
  You know, it's funny, I think of both of these teams were
• 40:44
  subject, which of course they had losses, especially at the
• 40:47
  end of the year to some really good teams.
• 40:50
  They're both subject to getting caught playing the other teams
• 40:53
  game. Yeah, I felt like Oregon and
• 40:57
  Georgia, if they could have not done that, then it would have
• 41:01
  been they would have had success this season.
• 41:03
  Both these teams are immensely talented.
• 41:05
  I think Georgia got out playing, you know, different way than
• 41:08
  they wanted to with Ole Miss, and I think Oregon got that way
• 41:12
  with Indiana. Of course, Indiana was just
• 41:14
  elite and you know, got the better of Oregon twice.
• 41:19
  I would probably lean Georgia as well.
• 41:21
  We don't have to use this as one of our possession arrows.
• 41:24
  I agree. 25 Georgia over 25 Oregon.
• 41:28
  This one's close though. I really like this matchup.
• 41:31
  OK, I was looking for one team here.
• 41:34
  OK, our next 1413 match up we've got actually be 512 match up.
• 41:40
  2020 Ohio State, 2018 Oklahoma. Who do you got?
• 41:45
  2018, Oklahoma. So this this would be my one of
• 41:50
  my is this Kyler Murray? Yes, this was Kyler Murray's
• 41:53
  Heisman season. This is the COVID Ohio State
• 41:57
  team that got beat by Alabama in the natty against the 2018
• 42:00
  Oklahoma team that got smoked in the semi.
• 42:03
  This is me is like one of my big upsets.
• 42:05
  It's a 12 / 5 for me. Give me 18 Oklahoma.
• 42:08
  This was statistically the most explosive offense in the Lincoln
• 42:12
  Riley era at Oklahoma. 49 points a game.
• 42:16
  Now their defense gave up 33 points a game.
• 42:19
  Liability. Every game that has had to go
• 42:21
  outscore, they had to go outscore their opponent.
• 42:23
  They beat Texas in a rematch, the Big 12 championship.
• 42:26
  This favors A shootout team like this team favors getting into a
• 42:31
  shootout and then outscoring you, which I think they could do
• 42:34
  against that 20 Ohio State team because they like to play fast
• 42:38
  as well. And I think that plays into
• 42:41
  playing the kind of game Oklahoma wants to be in anyway.
• 42:44
  So this would be a big upset for me.
• 42:46
  Seed wise, I'd go 18 Oklahoma. Yeah, it's so tough because 2020
• 42:51
  Ohio State, I mean, obviously everybody remembers and tries to
• 42:54
  forget all of 2020 because of the COVID year for, for a lot of
• 42:59
  reasons. But Jacob, obviously you
• 43:01
  remember this cause we've been watching ball for a long time.
• 43:03
  But people who like to forget, there was a lot of controversy
• 43:07
  specifically around letting in teams who haven't played a lot
• 43:11
  because. Like 7 games the.
• 43:12
  SEC. The SEC started their season.
• 43:16
  You know where they were going to get 10 games in.
• 43:18
  The ACC did something similar. The Big 10, out of abundance of
• 43:22
  caution and everybody trying to politic to each other, waited
• 43:26
  and then they started late and I think they went to the playoffs
• 43:30
  6:00 and 9:00. They won their 7th game right
• 43:33
  prior to getting blown out. So I would almost argue there's
• 43:38
  not enough film on this 2020 Ohio State team to know for
• 43:42
  sure. So I wish we would have got a
• 43:46
  whole season of that Ohio State team.
• 43:48
  I think they were really good and I think maybe they could
• 43:50
  have amounted to more had they had more opportunities.
• 43:52
  But I agree with you. I think it's 18 Oklahoma.
• 43:55
  Big upset, all right, 413 matchup, 19 Ohio State against
• 44:00
  2014 Florida State. This is easy for me, Daniel.
• 44:04
  And it'd be 19 Ohio State. Really.
• 44:07
  OK, Wait, wait, wait. 14 Florida State.
• 44:09
  That's the year that they lost to Oregon.
• 44:12
  In the hilarious Jim James blowing out in the Rose Bowl,
• 44:16
  Yeah. James throws the ball behind
• 44:18
  him. They won like they it you were.
• 44:21
  They were being debated about even getting into the playoff,
• 44:24
  even as an undefeated team. Because they and.
• 44:26
  How many close games they had? And he had several interceptions
• 44:30
  that year, I remember. Here's my hot tick Daniel.
• 44:33
  This is my best playoff team to never win a national
• 44:35
  championship. 2019 Ohio State. 2019 I'm just trying to remember
• 44:42
  about them. I don't want to sell them short.
• 44:45
  2019 Ohio State. This was Chase Young for
• 44:48
  Heisman. This was Justin Fields first
• 44:51
  year as a starter. That's right.
• 44:53
  This was and Olave and Garrett Wilson.
• 44:57
  That's. Right.
• 44:59
  This was I'm trying to wear that the rest of that roster, Sorry,
• 45:02
  I'm pointing to the roster here. You've got I mean dude, they
• 45:07
  scored 47 points a game. Justin Fields had a 41 to 3
• 45:11
  touchdown to interception ratio. Their defense only gave up
• 45:14
  thirteen points a game. They.
• 45:16
  Oh yeah, 16 1/2 sacks. The only reason they lost is
• 45:20
  because they ran into 19 LSU. So they didn't.
• 45:23
  They got beat by Clemson in the semi on a Justin Fields red zone
• 45:26
  interception late. That's right.
• 45:28
  What's funny is they were, this is when I really got into SU
• 45:31
  Plus and we were doing the podcast this year.
• 45:34
  That was our first year. That's when we started.
• 45:35
  This is our first year They were the number one ranked team in SU
• 45:38
  Plus going into the playoff. They finished the year #1 in SU
• 45:42
  Plus. LSU finished second.
• 45:44
  The team we regard as the best of all time was second in SU
• 45:47
  Plus and 20. I wish SU Plus is not the end
• 45:49
  all be all, but to show how good that Ohio State team was, even
• 45:52
  after a loss to Clemson they were still at the end of the
• 45:55
  season the best team in the country according to SU Plus and
• 45:58
  would have been favored according to SU Plus against LSU
• 46:02
  in a neutral. Funny enough, they they had
• 46:05
  Jameson Williams. I always forget that he was at
• 46:07
  Ohio State. That's right before he
• 46:10
  transferred. And there was the controversial
• 46:16
  fumble, no fumble, and the semi against Clemson.
• 46:18
  I forgot about that too. Yeah, well, this is this is
• 46:21
  honestly none of this is wasted research because they are going
• 46:24
  to move on for US 19 Ohio State, but I'm just this is helping me
• 46:29
  so. We're just, we're reminiscing.
• 46:31
  We need to do this so that the the listeners know who we're
• 46:35
  talking about. Also, when we get to the next
• 46:37
  round, we're going to need to remember that, you know, they
• 46:40
  had, you know, Jonah Jackson, Max Ray.
• 46:44
  Yeah, they had a pretty good Thayer Munford.
• 46:46
  They had a really good offensive line.
• 46:48
  Nicholas Petit Freyr. OK, OK, I'm looking.
• 46:52
  Hi Daniel, this is good. 6/11/2014 Ohio.
• 46:56
  Excuse me, 2014 Oregon. 2021 Michigan.
• 47:01
  I'd give 14. Oregon here.
• 47:02
  Heisman winner, dominant all season.
• 47:05
  I didn't want to Michel's best team.
• 47:07
  They got they fell flat on their face against Georgia.
• 47:11
  They they peaked when they beat Ohio State.
• 47:14
  They beat Ohio State and then they were like, we're good that
• 47:18
  you know, they won their their Big 10 championship and then
• 47:22
  Georgia basically just scored on their first I think 8
• 47:26
  possessions or 7 possessions or something crazy.
• 47:29
  This was that this was that first team to almost bust the
• 47:33
  blue chip ratio. That 14 Oregon team, they were
• 47:35
  like at 45% blue chip, OK with the Heisman quarterback Chip
• 47:39
  Kelly, and this is like peak Chip Kelly.
• 47:42
  They play Ohio State in the natty and just it was too much
• 47:46
  run out of gas there. That was that Oregon team.
• 47:49
  I can get down with 14 Oregon. Let's do.
• 47:51
  It all right 314 game, 2024 Ohio State national champion against
• 47:55
  2020 Notre Dame. I would go 24 Ohio State in this
• 47:59
  game. I'm going to play my flag with
• 48:02
  2020 Notre Dame. I'm just kidding.
• 48:05
  Here's another here's a here's a funny Daniel 2022 Michigan
• 48:09
  against 2022 TCU. Who would you pick except for we
• 48:13
  this game happened and TCU beat them in the semi final which is
• 48:17
  hilarious that we got this now. Oh my goodness, that is funny.
• 48:21
  Forget that. Everyone's like, how did TCU get
• 48:24
  in the play? Like guys, they they beat
• 48:26
  Michigan, they won out at Michigan, beat out at Michigan.
• 48:29
  Yeah, this wasn't Cincinnati sneaking in and getting pounded
• 48:32
  by Alabama. This was.
• 48:34
  Right, they made it. They won a game, man.
• 48:37
  All right, another easy one for me. 21 Georgia against 25
• 48:40
  Alabama and going with the dogs. Yeah, that defense was.
• 48:45
  Unbelievable. All right.
• 48:47
  Five first round picks. Off of that, we go back to the
• 48:49
  top one seed versus a nine seed. This was also easy for me.
• 48:55
  Daniel 19, LSU against 25 Georgia Tigers.
• 49:00
  Go tigers all. Right here's a fun 118 Oklahoma
• 49:04
  19 Ohio State. I've showed my hand.
• 49:06
  I think it's 19 Ohio State, but I'll hear you out.
• 49:11
  If you want to plant a flag for Oklahoma, like I'd be willing to
• 49:14
  go ahead and use like pre use my flag plant that.
• 49:16
  I think Ohio State beats 18 Oklahoma because their offense
• 49:21
  was just as explosive and they had a dominant defense.
• 49:24
  That was my like we saw what Alabama was able to do it the
• 49:27
  pass rush in the semi final and now you got Chase Young coming
• 49:29
  off the edge. That's my like, good luck to 5
• 49:33
  foot 4 Kyler Murray. Yeah.
• 49:36
  And this was yeah, Kyler Murray and they, they had AI mean this
• 49:41
  was a historic offense. But yes, it was very much 1
• 49:45
  sided and they were very much, you know, we talked about the
• 49:49
  difference of like the four team versus the 12 team playoff eras.
• 49:55
  Oklahoma and Clemson both in their respective years, they had
• 49:59
  years where they could almost coast to the 14 playoff because
• 50:04
  they were in a power conference and they weren't really
• 50:06
  challenged in that conference, even though they were dominant
• 50:10
  on the offensive side of the ball.
• 50:11
  The 18 that that Oklahoma team, they weren't challenged in the
• 50:15
  Big 12, much like several of the Clemson years, but obviously
• 50:19
  Clemson had a couple breakthrough years, which those
• 50:21
  those teams are the best ones that are moving on throughout
• 50:23
  here. Oklahoma, I don't think they
• 50:26
  have never won a college world playoff game, correct.
• 50:30
  We actually gave them their first win when they played 2020
• 50:33
  Ohio State just one round to go. So I'm going to go ahead and
• 50:39
  agree with you that 19 Ohio State would have beaten them.
• 50:42
  But that is a very I mean, it's interesting.
• 50:44
  I'd love to see these teams play.
• 50:47
  All right, 14 Oregon against 24 Ohio State.
• 50:51
  I'll go Ohio State because if I mean, if you're just going to go
• 50:54
  down, look at roster and like who was on the team and how they
• 50:57
  because I'm like, again, 14 was not a Oregon was not a blue chip
• 51:00
  team. Both of them have Chip Kelly.
• 51:04
  That's funny. That's right.
• 51:06
  The Chip Kelly call them both offenses is better players with
• 51:09
  Ohio State. Then we've got 22 TCU against 21
• 51:13
  Georgia and then easy one for me, I'm going 21 Georgia.
• 51:17
  What any argument there? We've seen this game, we've seen
• 51:19
  this game. We kind.
• 51:20
  Of saw that game we. Kind of saw most of this game,
• 51:22
  so yeah, OK. Wow, the matchup.
• 51:25
  This is definitely that I wanted.
• 51:27
  Oh my goodness. The matchup I wanted Daniel LSU
• 51:30
  against Ohio State. It's hard for me to pick against
• 51:34
  2019 LSU, although I want to believe the 2019 Ohio State
• 51:37
  could have beaten them. We never saw anyone beat LSU.
• 51:40
  I, I, I, I give the nod to LSU, but this is the game I wanted to
• 51:43
  see because I legitimately think Ohio State could have given the
• 51:46
  given them a really good game slash, could have beaten them.
• 51:51
  And then that completely changes the narrative of how we talk
• 51:55
  about that 19 LSU team. That this is what's funny about
• 51:57
  talking to teams that are the greatest of all time because
• 52:00
  it's like, OK, change one result.
• 52:01
  And do you still think one of the greatest teams of all time
• 52:03
  and you change this one result? Do we still think that way about
• 52:06
  LSUI? Still look back fondly on the 19
• 52:09
  Ohio State team even though they didn't finish the deal, They
• 52:11
  lost the semi, and it's funny to think about it.
• 52:13
  Change one game and are we looking at them as the greatest
• 52:16
  of all time? Of course they go 15 and O, so
• 52:17
  of course we're going to regard them that way as we should.
• 52:20
  Right. I would give the nod to LSUI
• 52:23
  Just wanted, I wanted us. I wanted 19 Ohio State to have
• 52:27
  their moment on the pod they have.
• 52:30
  But I mean, I'd go 19 LSU here. All right, let me let me paint
• 52:35
  this a little bit differently. OK.
• 52:39
  I think I, I agree with you and I think as far as we need to
• 52:43
  give respect to that 19 Ohio State team and they were elite.
• 52:47
  They were some of the elite of the elite.
• 52:49
  They should have really been the second best team that year.
• 52:52
  And I say, should they could have been, but then that
• 52:56
  intercepts that late interception like you mentioned
• 52:58
  famously. The controversial fumble.
• 53:00
  Justin Fields never quite broke through that.
• 53:04
  You know, he never, he never won the national championship in any
• 53:07
  of his years. You know, he had those two years
• 53:09
  in Ohio State, one year at Georgia as the backup.
• 53:11
  But they I also just think like, if you think about mentality,
• 53:16
  there was a certain level of maturity because this was Joe
• 53:21
  Burrow's last year. He, I think if you gave them the
• 53:25
  moment we saw Joe Burrow raised the occasion in every other
• 53:30
  game. And I just think that even if
• 53:32
  they took Ohio State's best punch, LSU had something
• 53:36
  different that year that just, there was a on over like an
• 53:40
  overwhelming belief that they were going to win.
• 53:43
  And I think it was just like, I'm getting goosebumps even
• 53:45
  talking about it. LSU is not my team, but like Joe
• 53:48
  Burrow with, I mean, the literal 2 best receivers in the NFL
• 53:52
  right now on his team and he's just, you know, that image of
• 53:57
  them playing the Get the GAT song with him smoking a cigar is
• 54:00
  just so burned into my memory that I think he would have
• 54:05
  overcome this. This is a phenomenal
• 54:07
  hypothetical match up though. We really wanted this match up.
• 54:10
  But yeah, 19 LSU for the win. Yeah, I mean, I'm with you.
• 54:15
  And they they got better as the lights got brighter.
• 54:18
  That LSU team did, team did. So I'm I'm with you.
• 54:21
  I just again, I wanted them to have their flowers.
• 54:24
  I think they got them. We can move on, all right, 24
• 54:28
  Ohio State versus 21 Georgia. This is where if you started
• 54:31
  comparing elite teams, this is where are we saying how good was
• 54:35
  Ohio State when the season ended or are we taking the complete
• 54:38
  body of work? I think regardless, I would pick
• 54:41
  Georgia. But this is one of those because
• 54:44
  again, dude, Ohio State lost two games this year.
• 54:46
  So Georgia beat every team on their schedule.
• 54:48
  That's why this is an easy call for me, but Ohio State was one
• 54:52
  of the best teams I've seen at the end of the year when they
• 54:55
  when they put it all together. It just took them a while to put
• 54:57
  it all together and then in a four team era they would not
• 54:59
  have made the playoff and gotten the chance to show it so.
• 55:03
  Can I do a little? Put one, please.
• 55:06
  All right. 21 Georgia elite defense.
• 55:10
  I mean, that puts it so lightly. Elite, elite defense.
• 55:14
  Before before I continue, do you want to guess what Georgia
• 55:16
  ranked in SP Plus in 2021 on offense?
• 55:20
  They were like top five or something.
• 55:22
  They were number one in the country.
• 55:23
  Wow. OK.
• 55:26
  All right, Look, I'm still probably going to be on Georgia,
• 55:28
  but 21 Georgia, if you remember in the SEC Championship when it
• 55:35
  just seemed like Georgia had cruised all year.
• 55:38
  Yeah, that was Brock Bauer's freshman year, I believe.
• 55:42
  He just was different. All these, you know, they're all
• 55:46
  the questions were about Georgia's quarterback.
• 55:48
  Are they going to switch back to JT Daniels?
• 55:51
  Are they going to stick with, you know, Stetson Bennett, JT
• 55:54
  Daniels was finally healthy, yadda, yadda, yadda.
• 55:56
  They go to the that SEC championship game against
• 55:59
  Alabama and Alabama torched them.
• 56:03
  I mean, Bryce Young went up and down the field, you know,
• 56:06
  Jameson Williams, John John Metchi.
• 56:09
  I mean, it was it was unbelievable.
• 56:11
  So, yeah, I think Metchi got hurt in that game towards the
• 56:16
  end, but they had, they scored whatever it was like 40 points.
• 56:19
  I don't even remember, but so I'm just trying to imagine if
• 56:23
  the same thing was happening. So we're looking at Georgia like
• 56:26
  they've won the national championship.
• 56:27
  This 24 Ohio State teams won the national championship.
• 56:30
  But put ourselves in that moment.
• 56:32
  If this is before they've won a national championship and the
• 56:36
  mindset of Georgia, there's still like an insecurity there,
• 56:38
  I think to a certain extent. And I think that they could have
• 56:41
  been had by these elite receivers of Ohio State based on
• 56:45
  what I saw in the SEC Championship.
• 56:49
  That being said, I still think 21 Georgia would have done it
• 56:54
  because of just their overall balance and, you know, their
• 56:58
  comfortability winning those games.
• 57:00
  I'll say this to you. What what version of Ryan Day do
• 57:02
  we get? Do we get to Ryan Day who's
• 57:03
  like, I'm going to try to out bully Georgia like he did
• 57:06
  against Michigan? Because I mean, again, they lost
• 57:09
  to Michigan this year and got bullied by them, bullied by them
• 57:13
  against 24 Michigan, which was like, I mean, this, this is not
• 57:17
  23 Michigan, this is Sharon Moore's Michigan.
• 57:19
  I mean, Yikes, You're with me on 21 Georgia.
• 57:23
  Yeah, 21 Georgia, that's just, I just, I hear, you know, if there
• 57:27
  was 1 fatal flaw for Georgia, it was if there was elite
• 57:30
  receivers. And if there's anything that
• 57:32
  Ohio State has ever had, it's elite receivers, especially in
• 57:37
  24, you know, JJ Smith at the end of the year, obviously
• 57:41
  Carnell Tate and Mecca Buca. I mean that was very special
• 57:45
  situation. So this is a this is an all time
• 57:48
  type matchup. This is where, though I'll say
• 57:51
  it wasn't this real, that you see elite receivers Bryce Young
• 57:55
  towards George's offense in that game.
• 57:57
  That's true. So.
• 57:58
  Bryce Young's not playing quarterback for that 24 Ohio
• 58:00
  State team. That's a great point.
• 58:03
  And I think they could outman everybody that didn't have their
• 58:05
  talent level, Georgia, by finding it far and away matching
• 58:08
  their talent level on defense. So OK, this is an all time
• 58:11
  matchup. That's why I call it the region
• 58:12
  of death. You have what I think was the
• 58:13
  best offense in the playoff era against the best defense of the
• 58:17
  playoff era with 19 LSU, 21 Georgia.
• 58:23
  Daniel. Does defense wins championships?
• 58:27
  I would say no, I'm taking LSU. All those arguments I just made
• 58:31
  about Georgia being had by receivers.
• 58:34
  Yeah. Copy and paste here, but also
• 58:39
  times 10 because no disrespect to JJ Smith and like Carnell
• 58:44
  Tate and Mecca Buca. Mecca Buca has already been
• 58:46
  pretty good in the NFLI think. I think the other two are going
• 58:50
  to be good in the NFL as well. Yeah, but you're literally
• 58:52
  talking about the two best receivers in the NFL.
• 58:55
  Yep, number one and two on the same.
• 58:57
  Process, if I was going to push back and make the argument for
• 59:00
  Georgia, you just made it about Georgia being better than people
• 59:03
  realized on offense. And I do think this LSU defense
• 59:07
  is a little more vulnerable. They just never got the
• 59:10
  opportunity to be had because that offense was unquestionably
• 59:16
  elite. So they had their moments,
• 59:19
  especially towards the end of the year, they got better as the
• 59:21
  year went on. So that LSU team started the
• 59:23
  year kind of shaky, but by the end of the and talking about
• 59:26
  defense, by the end of the year, they were a strong defense.
• 59:29
  Patrick Queen, you know, he's still in the NFL playing for I
• 59:32
  believe Baltimore. They they have some some studs
• 59:36
  that are still on that team, you know, from that team.
• 59:38
  But I would still, I would agree with you LSU, just because I
• 59:42
  mean those players, that combination of players was
• 59:46
  special. So I would go 19 LSU as well.
• 59:49
  Very good game though. Very good game.
• 59:51
  All right, last region, Daniel, what do we call this?
• 59:54
  The the ifs versus the dids. All right, you'll, you'll see,
• 59:59
  we'll see what we what we mean here as we go through it.
• 1:00:01
  One seed, 2022 Georgia against 2025 James Madison.
• 1:00:06
  Let's not waste our time. Go dogs.
• 1:00:08
  James Madison, GA. That's right.
• 1:00:10
  That's right. All right, 8-9.
• 1:00:12
  This is a fun one. Same quarterback, yeah. 25 Miami
• 1:00:18
  against 24 Georgia. Both quarterbacks by 1 Carson
• 1:00:22
  Beck. I would go Georgia.
• 1:00:25
  I don't want to be. Look, the Georgia fan is picking
• 1:00:27
  the dogs, all right, But Miami had a good run game this year.
• 1:00:31
  24 Georgia couldn't really run the ball. 25 Miami catches the
• 1:00:36
  ball better than 24 Georgia did. Totally fair.
• 1:00:40
  I think it is 23 Georgia, 23 Georgia is a slam dunk, 25 Miami
• 1:00:46
  versus 24 Georgia. It depends on when it happens,
• 1:00:49
  but. Which Carson Beck throws has the
• 1:00:51
  three interception game. Right.
• 1:00:54
  Because I mean, which Ole Miss loss?
• 1:00:56
  Which defense is more likely to throw 3 picks against?
• 1:01:00
  Is he going to be against the 25 Miami defense?
• 1:01:03
  Which would just be all up in your face, but the 24 Georgia
• 1:01:07
  defense? Didn't really have a pass rush.
• 1:01:09
  Was not as as stout on the front I'm but.
• 1:01:12
  You can also do it if it all missed it against 24 Georgia,
• 1:01:16
  which is not Rush a lot and drop 8 and say we're in your head, go
• 1:01:20
  beat us. You don't have a run game to
• 1:01:22
  lean on. Yeah.
• 1:01:24
  We saw Carson Beck with 24. Georgia win a game.
• 1:01:27
  What games without the ability to run the ball?
• 1:01:29
  We did not see that with 25 Miami.
• 1:01:31
  Now it's the whole team. Like Miami had a good run game
• 1:01:34
  with Fletcher. I just think about how they
• 1:01:36
  finished, how Miami got it together.
• 1:01:40
  They beat Ohio State for goodness sakes.
• 1:01:43
  But you know, beating, beating Texas, beating Miami and then
• 1:01:47
  obviously beating Ole Miss. That's a being being Ohio State
• 1:01:50
  beating, beating Ole Miss. You know what I mean?
• 1:01:53
  I mean, really giving Indiana a great game.
• 1:01:57
  I think I'm on 25 Miami for this one.
• 1:02:00
  This one's all right. close for me.
• 1:02:02
  But if you're against it, you've got possession.
• 1:02:04
  Air, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna use my
• 1:02:06
  flag. I'm gonna say OK, all right. 17
• 1:02:09
  Georgia against 15 Oklahoma. This was, again, an easy one for
• 1:02:12
  me. I'll go 17 Georgia, unless you
• 1:02:16
  disagree. 19 Clem, Another easy one for me. 19 Clemson against
• 1:02:20
  25-A and M Would you also go 19 Clemson?
• 1:02:24
  Now 19 Clemson. That's Trevor Lawrence his
• 1:02:28
  sophomore year, right? That's the they lost to LSU in
• 1:02:31
  the natty, and that was the only loss, yeah, was the. 19 Clemson.
• 1:02:36
  All right, 611 game, 24 Oregon against 23 Alabama.
• 1:02:40
  This is another easy one for me personally, but I want to hear
• 1:02:44
  your pick 1st 20. 3 Alabama would have been the savings last
• 1:02:52
  year. No, no, no.
• 1:02:53
  This is Mill Row. Saban's last year Mill Row lost
• 1:02:55
  to Michigan. the Rose Bowl beat George in the FCC championship.
• 1:03:01
  Wow. Their only loss was to who they
• 1:03:04
  lose to. Was it Oklahoma?
• 1:03:06
  No. Texas.
• 1:03:09
  Texas. At home.
• 1:03:12
  Well, they're only lost regular season.
• 1:03:14
  They lost to Michigan. In the Rose, Yeah, right, right.
• 1:03:19
  Versus what is this? 2024 Oregon, his only loss came
• 1:03:25
  in the Rose Bowl after going 13 and O and they just happened to
• 1:03:28
  get Ohio State in the first round of the Rose Bowl. 1 of
• 1:03:31
  that weird first year with seating where like Arizona State
• 1:03:35
  and Boise State got to buy and Oregon's got to play Ohio State
• 1:03:39
  after having a month off. Right.
• 1:03:43
  Like for me, it's 24 Oregon. Very good Oregon team.
• 1:03:47
  I'm just that was Dylan Gabriel was 1/4.
• 1:03:49
  No, no, no. This was Dylan Gabriel.
• 1:03:51
  Dylan Gabriel. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:53
  So Dylan Gabriel's quarterback. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:55
  This was a very good, very good team.
• 1:03:58
  They're a forgotten team. I'm with you, 24 Oregon.
• 1:04:01
  I'm I'm in on that one. OK, 2014 Ohio State natty winner
• 1:04:06
  against 2024 Indiana. I'd go 14 Ohio State.
• 1:04:09
  Absolutely. 2020 Clemson against 2024 Texas.
• 1:04:14
  This is interesting because I think I'd go, I don't know, man,
• 1:04:19
  that 2020 season's so weird, but I think I'd go Texas here. 2024
• 1:04:24
  Tech. Losing overtime.
• 1:04:28
  In the SEC Championship. The semi final was a lot closer
• 1:04:32
  than the score looked because it was 20.
• 1:04:34
  It was 2114. Ohio State.
• 1:04:36
  Texas is driving. They have the sack fumble with
• 1:04:39
  like under 2 minutes left to make a 2814.
• 1:04:42
  They ran it back for a touchdown.
• 1:04:43
  They were like in the red zone, you know, That game looked a lot
• 1:04:47
  worse. Than they were the last hope of
• 1:04:49
  anybody beating that Ohio State team because.
• 1:04:51
  Yes, whoever was. Coming out of the other side was
• 1:04:54
  was going to lose. Yeah, I, I like, I like 24 Texas
• 1:04:58
  there as well. All right, then you've got
• 1:05:01
  That's an easy 118. Clemson against 25, Oklahoma 25.
• 1:05:04
  Oklahoma couldn't move the ball at all against one of the
• 1:05:09
  greatest teams of all time. Give us the Tigers.
• 1:05:13
  Yeah, yeah. For sure. 2022 Georgia 25 Miami
• 1:05:17
  again, I think this is easy. 2022 Georgia OK 17 Georgia
• 1:05:22
  against 19 Clemson is interesting because 2019 had
• 1:05:28
  three amazing teams in the playoff.
• 1:05:30
  Both lost. Both lost in the natty.
• 1:05:32
  You know Clemson beat that famous Ohio State team I'm
• 1:05:35
  talking about. I I think I'd lean Clemson in
• 1:05:38
  this game. Yeah, this was right at the
• 1:05:41
  start of Georgia's run. Like the roster was not.
• 1:05:46
  It wasn't a full Kirby Smart roster.
• 1:05:48
  People are, you know, he just started bringing guys in.
• 1:05:50
  They still had like, you know, guys that were not not even just
• 1:05:57
  the leftovers from the market there, but they had stop gaps
• 1:05:59
  that they had transferred in. It was a lot of like built by,
• 1:06:03
  you know, just random guys. So yeah, I think, I think 19
• 1:06:08
  Clemson, 'cause you're almost seeing a mature version, one of
• 1:06:12
  the most in one of the mature versions of the Dabo system
• 1:06:16
  versus like a very early iteration of Kirby Smart.
• 1:06:20
  So I would also, yeah, I think 19 Clemson probably beats 7.
• 1:06:24
  All right, 24 Oregon 2014 Ohio State.
• 1:06:29
  I know Ohio State when the natty I at least want to consider this
• 1:06:34
  13 or no Oregon scene that ran into the buzz saw at the end of
• 1:06:38
  the year. This is this is finally a this
• 1:06:40
  is not a 14 Oregon roster that wasn't a blue chip roster.
• 1:06:43
  This is a stacked blue chip roster, right like across the
• 1:06:47
  board. 14 Ohio State finished strong.
• 1:06:51
  They were kind of like, Oh yeah, they you know, they hit the
• 1:06:53
  accelerator late. I don't want to discredit the 14
• 1:06:55
  Ohio State team. First champ in the playoff era.
• 1:06:58
  I mean, they're on their, they did 3 quarterbacks, right?
• 1:07:01
  This was. This was the third string
• 1:07:02
  quarterback winning, which I mean I'm giving credit when I
• 1:07:05
  say that 24 Oregon is one of these teams I have a strong
• 1:07:08
  feeling about I I feel strongly about but I will like if you're
• 1:07:14
  like Jacob, you're an idiot. 14 Ohio State would beat them.
• 1:07:17
  I will hear that out. So I I've got my rose colored
• 1:07:20
  glasses on with this 24 Oregon team.
• 1:07:22
  It's it's one of these what if team again that the ifs versus
• 1:07:25
  dids 14 Ohio State did it. What if the seeding had been the
• 1:07:30
  25 seeding for the playoff. Yeah, the Oregon.
• 1:07:32
  Remember when? This Ohio State team, this was
• 1:07:35
  they lost that early game against Virginia Tech.
• 1:07:39
  Was it JT Barrett had to step in.
• 1:07:43
  Braxton Miller was hurt. JT Barrett stepped in and then
• 1:07:47
  leads them to, you know, winning basically the rest of their
• 1:07:50
  games. But they were not blowing teams
• 1:07:53
  out. They had a couple of blowouts.
• 1:07:54
  But for the I mean, they beat Penn State and double overtime.
• 1:07:57
  You know, they beat some bad teams.
• 1:07:58
  But Michigan State, they only beat, you know, I mean, they
• 1:08:02
  beat them by like they beat them by 12, only beat Minnesota by a
• 1:08:06
  touchdown. The the big one was they lost JT
• 1:08:13
  Barrett. Was it in the Michigan game?
• 1:08:15
  Yes, because they he played because Cardell Jones had the
• 1:08:19
  three-game run. It was the Big 10 championship
• 1:08:21
  in the two playoff games. Right.
• 1:08:24
  So he got hurt during the Michigan game.
• 1:08:26
  And then, yes, Cardell Jones 59. Nothing against Wisconsin.
• 1:08:32
  Which they had to do. That was like a because remember
• 1:08:34
  the, the, the first playoff rankings, they were 16th and
• 1:08:37
  they had, they were, they were sixth.
• 1:08:39
  I think going into the Big 10 championship, Wisconsin was
• 1:08:41
  undefeated. And the talk was they're going
• 1:08:43
  to have to blow them out to be considered.
• 1:08:47
  And so that's dude income. Urban Meyer thinking I get to
• 1:08:50
  blow its. Team and this is before we
• 1:08:52
  really knew a lot about because this is the first year of the
• 1:08:54
  playoffs so we didn't really know how the committee would see
• 1:08:57
  a backup quarterback knowing right now now a one loss big 10
• 1:09:01
  champ that barely beats Wisconsin on their third string
• 1:09:04
  what is a good in they might leave them out so.
• 1:09:07
  Dude this is the controversial. They jumped TCU and Baylor who
• 1:09:11
  ended up being 5 and. Six, They didn't have a a
• 1:09:13
  championship a. Conference championship wow they
• 1:09:16
  they discussed champions yeah two true champions oh man,
• 1:09:21
  that's feel bad for both those teams man and then they'd still.
• 1:09:25
  They famously they beat Oregon that year for the natty so.
• 1:09:29
  And, and they were heavy underdogs against Alabama.
• 1:09:32
  And again, this, this is what caused Saban and Kirby to bring
• 1:09:35
  in Tom Herman because he takes the Houston job after that game.
• 1:09:38
  And they're like, hey, now that you're in Houston, what did you
• 1:09:41
  do to beat us? And he had them walk through how
• 1:09:43
  he exploited the Sabin defense. This is when they went from,
• 1:09:46
  I've watched the Nike coaches clinic with Kirby talking about
• 1:09:49
  this like they changed their body types on defense because of
• 1:09:52
  the you know what? I'm talking myself into 14 Ohio
• 1:09:56
  State. That's where I'm kind of like
• 1:09:59
  24. Oregon was very good but like.
• 1:10:02
  Yes, OK. All right, can I also give one
• 1:10:04
  other point of just, yes, all right, make you feel better
• 1:10:07
  about it? Oregon in 24 lost to WHO to end
• 1:10:12
  their season. Ohio State.
• 1:10:14
  All right. And then in 2014, who did Ohio
• 1:10:17
  State beat to win the natty? All right.
• 1:10:21
  Well, reverse Oregon. I was like, yeah.
• 1:10:23
  So these two teams, I mean we almost could say ball don't lie
• 1:10:27
  because they played, but it not the same team. 10 years apart.
• 1:10:32
  But yeah, let's let's go. I mean, I'm I'm in on 14 Ohio
• 1:10:36
  State if you are. And the next ones, I'd say easy
• 1:10:40
  for me. 18 Clemson. I hold in high regard as one of
• 1:10:44
  the five best teams to win in the playoff era.
• 1:10:46
  I think we we talked about how good that 18 Bama team was
• 1:10:51
  because of how far they ended up making it in our bracket, losing
• 1:10:54
  only to the the 2020 Bama. Yeah, I think in a lot of
• 1:10:58
  brackets that 18 Bama teams go so far and we held them in such
• 1:11:03
  high regard. They were basically untouchable
• 1:11:06
  and then this Clemson team came in and not just beat them, but
• 1:11:09
  like, you know, handled them. So I agree.
• 1:11:12
  With a true freshman quarterback, Justin Ross, T
• 1:11:15
  Higgins special Yeah, Christian Wilkins, Cleveland Ferrell 45
• 1:11:20
  points a game. Only gave up thirteen points a
• 1:11:21
  game like beat Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl, the beat Texan in
• 1:11:26
  the record season. Alabama.
• 1:11:28
  Yeah, 4416. That natty one of the crazier
• 1:11:32
  games I've watched in like the worst venue it could have been
• 1:11:35
  in in San Francisco. OK, so then we've got 22 Georgia
• 1:11:39
  against 19 Clemson. I think easier one, right?
• 1:11:46
  That's a 22 Georgia. That's a have instead of a have
• 1:11:49
  not so UGA 22 UGA over in. The 2014 Ohio State and 18
• 1:11:55
  Clemson. Again, I'd, I'd go 18 Clemson
• 1:11:58
  undefeated better roster. This is this is peak Dabo.
• 1:12:03
  I this is like the best team he ever had.
• 1:12:05
  All right, so then a fun matchup.
• 1:12:07
  Peak Dabo against Pete Kirby, 22 Georgia against 18 Clemson.
• 1:12:11
  This is so fun, this one. This is fun. 2 elite defenses, 2
• 1:12:15
  elite offenses. Like 2 teams that were scoring
• 1:12:18
  40A game and giving up 13. You've got a fifth year, sixth
• 1:12:25
  year senior quarterback versus a freshman quarterback and it is
• 1:12:30
  Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, this is wow.
• 1:12:33
  I'd go 22 Georgia, This is I have three teams that I hold in
• 1:12:37
  like the argument for best team of the playoff era and two of
• 1:12:42
  them are already in our final four.
• 1:12:44
  This is the third that I like. If I need to put my flag here, I
• 1:12:47
  will. This is my like, there's three
• 1:12:49
  teams I think we need to talk about and this is one of.
• 1:12:52
  This Stetson Bennett, the 2022 starting quarterback for
• 1:12:57
  Georgia, was enrolled in college for a full year before 2018.
• 1:13:03
  Trevor Lawrence got into HE. Got into high school.
• 1:13:08
  Before he no and I said before he was no, I'm just saying
• 1:13:11
  before he was because it's like you think about the those areas
• 1:13:16
  being completely separate because this is 6 years later.
• 1:13:20
  But I'm not I'm this is. Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:22
  No, no, no. It's 2 inside, but he started in
• 1:13:24
  2017. Yeah.
• 1:13:25
  Yeah, I I see what you're saying.
• 1:13:27
  And then Trevor started at 2018 at Clemson, so it's kind of
• 1:13:31
  funny. But anyways, if you were to
• 1:13:33
  match these up, I agree. I think Georgia, you know.
• 1:13:39
  Here's my biggest mismatch. Georgia defensive line.
• 1:13:41
  Clemson offensive line. Because you're not exploiting
• 1:13:44
  that like Clemson could every other team, right, right.
• 1:13:48
  Jalen Carter against like a a mid dude from Greenville.
• 1:13:53
  You know, I don't know. Yeah, this was and I even think
• 1:13:57
  the the Georgia offense had matured and gotten even better
• 1:14:00
  this year. They averaged 4 points per game,
• 1:14:04
  for what it's worth. Yeah.
• 1:14:06
  Georgia did. They had a very special, Yeah,
• 1:14:10
  this was this was a very good. I mean, yeah, I agree.
• 1:14:13
  I think 22 Georgia beat wins in this game.
• 1:14:15
  This one's very fun. Very fun.
• 1:14:17
  What again? Several games.
• 1:14:19
  I'd love to see. All right, Daniel, our final
• 1:14:21
  four, we've got four different schools, which is good.
• 1:14:25
  Look, we've got like this. Representation.
• 1:14:27
  You've got different years, four different schools.
• 1:14:30
  That's right. All right, 2020 Alabama against
• 1:14:33
  2016 Clemson. I would go. 2020 Alabama.
• 1:14:36
  Well, hold on. Just it's a weird year.
• 1:14:38
  Let's just name our final four really quick as like a OK and
• 1:14:42
  then we'll. 2020 Alabama, 2016 Clemson 2019 LSU 2022 Georgia is
• 1:14:49
  the Final Four. Some amazing teams.
• 1:14:51
  Very fun. All of them won a natty, so the
• 1:14:55
  ones that made it to this level were all national champions, as
• 1:14:58
  you would expect. But now we did that, so this
• 1:15:04
  makes sense. Now Daniel, three of these teams
• 1:15:07
  never lost a game, which makes this first round an easy pick
• 1:15:11
  for me with 2020 Alabama and 2016 Clemson.
• 1:15:17
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:15:18
  I need some pushback. Or is that one team ran the
• 1:15:22
  table and one team lost to Pittsburgh?
• 1:15:26
  When you put it like that, no, it the only thing that you know
• 1:15:32
  tarnishes anything for 2020 Bama is the fact that it was 2020 and
• 1:15:36
  there was not full stadium. I know everybody's just going to
• 1:15:39
  wonder, but I mean that that team was very, very special.
• 1:15:44
  Daniel here's the other side of the bracket is where if the
• 1:15:49
  bracket were different, if I had done the regions differently,
• 1:15:53
  I'll say these. This, in my opinion, the best
• 1:15:55
  two teams of the playoff era so far, our 2019 LSU in 2022
• 1:16:01
  Georgia. This is tough for me because I
• 1:16:03
  do think this is 1 and 2, but I lean 2019 LSU.
• 1:16:07
  It's just Daniel. I was at the SEC championship
• 1:16:10
  game as a Georgia fan, 19 standing in the end zone when it
• 1:16:17
  looks like Jordan Davis and I forget who else was chasing
• 1:16:20
  after Burrow is chasing Burrow to the sideline when there was
• 1:16:24
  still a game and and they got there pretty quick too.
• 1:16:27
  Bros running to the sideline. I'm like, they're going to run
• 1:16:29
  him out of bounds. He throws across his body for a
• 1:16:33
  75 yard touchdown to Justin Jefferson.
• 1:16:37
  And I was just like, I don't know how you beat like I'm just
• 1:16:41
  like, I'm in awe of what I'm watching that that is when you
• 1:16:44
  know, I have an affinity for LSU as a Georgia fan.
• 1:16:47
  You know this I've talked about a lot in the pod.
• 1:16:49
  I love everything about it. I love Tiger stadium, I love
• 1:16:51
  Tiger rag. I love the colors, I love the
• 1:16:54
  uniforms. I I have an appreciation for the
• 1:16:56
  fans. I've never been to a game in
• 1:16:58
  Tiger stadium, but I really want to.
• 1:16:59
  It was it started with this game.
• 1:17:01
  I I sat there being like, this is not a big rivalry.
• 1:17:04
  I'm disappointed we lost, but I have a feeling I just watched
• 1:17:06
  one of the greatest teams of all time.
• 1:17:08
  And I sat there because I had the state of the end because I
• 1:17:10
  was with LSU fans and I watched the confetti rained down and I'm
• 1:17:15
  like, all right, mad respect LSU fans.
• 1:17:17
  Like y'all stuff is cool. All the video again, this is
• 1:17:21
  where social media has kind of heard it is.
• 1:17:23
  I'm like the aura of that team, man was so special.
• 1:17:28
  Yeah, they were aura farming, as you as the kids say.
• 1:17:31
  Kids do say that, yeah, shout out Hunter.
• 1:17:34
  I'd I'd pick LSU, but I have I have rose colored and I'm saying
• 1:17:38
  this is a Georgia fan. I have rose colored glasses with
• 1:17:40
  that LSU team. I do think it would be a game.
• 1:17:43
  Yeah, I do think that it's funny, I think the 22 Georgia
• 1:17:46
  defense, even though people regard the 21 Georgia defense
• 1:17:49
  better than 22 Georgia defense, I would say the 22 Georgia
• 1:17:53
  defense would have been better equipped to handle those
• 1:17:57
  receivers because the. Secondary.
• 1:17:59
  Kamari last sitter was better. I think that Keely Ringo had
• 1:18:03
  grown in that role. That back three of Starks
• 1:18:07
  Bullard. Bullard.
• 1:18:08
  And Tucky Smith. But if you remember when Georgia
• 1:18:12
  played Ohio State, they were up against it.
• 1:18:16
  And so I can imagine that kind of a game coming to fruition
• 1:18:18
  with LSU issued out, except LSU had K York, if you remember, who
• 1:18:23
  could kick it 6 miles. And so I think that they would
• 1:18:27
  have hit the clutch. They were a clutch gene.
• 1:18:31
  So he didn't hit the clutch field goal.
• 1:18:33
  So dude, this is a long podcast. I would go 19 LSUI agree, but
• 1:18:39
  man, it gets so hard when you get to this point.
• 1:18:42
  And I do agree. I think those are the best two
• 1:18:44
  teams on this bracket. So you can kind of see where
• 1:18:46
  we're going for the final one. But yeah, 19 LSU. 19 LSU Best
• 1:18:50
  team of the College Playoff era. Our winner, a deserving winner,
• 1:18:55
  I think is the a a deserving winner.
• 1:18:59
  So 19 LSU over 2020 Alabama for our winner.
• 1:19:04
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• 1:19:06
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• 1:19:08
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• 1:19:12
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• 1:19:14
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• 1:19:17
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• 1:19:35
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• 1:19:37
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• 1:19:40
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