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Sneak Peek into the 2022 Enneagram Expert Summit Interviews · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm Amy Wicks, a Jesus and Enneagram enthusiast.
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  SPEAKER_01: As a wife, mom of three humans, and a fur baby, I get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Juggling entrepreneurship in a family is challenging, but I believe the Lord does want your work to be enjoyable.
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  SPEAKER_01: As an Enneagram Type 7, I am all about the fun factor.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this podcast is here to help you put the joy back into working mom life.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you can see 1 Timothy 6.17 come to pass in your own unique way.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a verse that says that God has given us all things to enjoy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And all?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, friends, it means all.
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  SPEAKER_01: Motherhood, work from home life, or work out of the home life.
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  SPEAKER_01: With the Lord's help, there's truly a way to feel calm, balance, joy, clarity, and peace in any arena of life.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Simply Fullhearted Podcast, where you can expect solo-style and interview style episodes that are full of faith-based concepts, simple ideas, Enneagram insights, alongside practical tips to help you put that smile back on your face when it comes to doing life with Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now get your headphones and head to that big pile of dishes in the sink, or maybe that bathroom that needed cleaning two weeks ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: And let's get to learning together.
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  SPEAKER_01: Remember, this is a free online event.
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  SPEAKER_01: With the traditional free pass, you can view all the interviews with the Enneagram experts for 24 hours.
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  SPEAKER_01: But how would you like to access the summit at your convenience and get lifetime access to these impactful teachings that will help you navigate relationships, reduce stress, find lasting joy, and change in your spiritual life?
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  SPEAKER_01: If that sounds like your cup of tea, then you can upgrade to the all access path.
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  SPEAKER_01: And details on how to do that can be found in the show notes to this episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, today's podcast episode is inspired by fitting rooms.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, stick with me here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I promise this analogy will make sense in a moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most of us don't buy clothing off the rack, but oftentimes we take a few minutes to find a changing room in the store and try on the clothing first.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You want to see if it's a good fit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever tried on some jeans or a t-shirt and thought, man, I'm so glad I tried these on because I do not like the fit.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Glad I don't have to take the time to bring them back because of my busy schedule.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, the same can be said for online conferences or otherwise known as summits.
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  SPEAKER_01: I believe you should be able to get a small taste first before you sign up and before you start singing its praises to your friends and family.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want you to confidently sign up and also be confident in what you are endorsing and recommending to your loved ones before they sign up and spend their limited time watching.
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  SPEAKER_01: So today is a teaser episode from three summit interviews that I've already recorded and will fully air during the summit.
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  SPEAKER_01: First up is Brian Lee from Gospel Centered Enneagram.
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  SPEAKER_01: His interview will air the very first day of the summit, September 12th.
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  SPEAKER_01: And wow, Brian blessed you and all of us with such a gift.
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  SPEAKER_01: He has clearly thoroughly researched his topic and has a passion for sharing on it as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's very personal to him.
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  SPEAKER_01: So get cozy with a blanket on the couch or go ahead and tackle that pile of dishes with this podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: And also be sure if you're driving, keep your eyes on the road.
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  SPEAKER_01: But get ready for a sneak peek into my Enneagram Summit conversation with Brian on the topic of navigating church hurt abuse and trauma.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really was so excited when you sent your title idea or topic, however you want to call it, because there was a conversation last year with Kim Eddy that gave a nod to some of this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's also a topic that I've been asked to speak on because of my history and little little things like this, but never the fullness of this in connection with the Enneagram and on the scale that has the opportunity to be heard.
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  SPEAKER_01: As soon as you sent that, I'm like, yes, I read it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_03: Maybe you're welcome.
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  SPEAKER_03: We'll see if you're still thanking me at the end.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't doubt it at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's gonna be so, so good.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I just am trusting that the stories of our experience, this is where they can maybe it's things have that have gone to seed, have been broken and gone to seed and wondering what the heck just happened.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, may bring new life.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: But okay, well, before we get too far into this, and I want to make sure that we get this opportunity.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've had so much fun asking everyone this question about tell me about your personality, about who you are, without telling us your number.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just give us a little story.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've heard all sorts of things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everybody has had a different way of sharing, and it's just been super fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I can't wait to see how you're gonna share today.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, what a fun question.
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  SPEAKER_03: Which should be no surprise coming from you.
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  SPEAKER_03: I also love to have fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love to be spontaneous, but I have a really hard time doing it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I get really jealous of people who are able to do it and look like they live a carefree life.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's what I would love for myself, but often find myself trapped by my own thinking.
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  SPEAKER_03: Ooh, or by the systems that I built for myself, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And what I long for is a deeper connection to what it looks like other people have.
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  unknown: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, I'm like tearing up over here.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think it's probably all the prep work I've been doing for today that's making me think that way.
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  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I've never described my type that way before, but that's kind of what I'm feeling today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So feeling trapped inside the confines of the systems that you have built.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's what it feels like.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: What has the Enneagram given you so you can step outside of some of those systems?
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  SPEAKER_01: What insight or knowledge or even practices have you put in place?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you and I subscribe to the idea of the Enneagram helps us get outside the box.
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  SPEAKER_01: We don't always climb outside the box if we want to, but that's the hope.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the hope.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's done everything for me, which sounds like hyperbole because the Ennegram certainly isn't everything.
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  SPEAKER_03: The gospel is.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it's still a shock to me and a little bit shameful that having grown up in church, having grown up as a pastor's kid, and having been a pastor for over 20 years, it wasn't until I discovered the Enneagram that I actually understood what grace was and that I understood what the gospel actually meant for me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So once I learned that tool and I had that to work with, all of a sudden all these new tools became available to me.
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  SPEAKER_03: And every author and teacher has a different version of it, whether you're practicing aware or own up or snap or any of these things.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love using the own up one from Marilyn Vansel in self-to-lose, self-defined.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's this idea of observe yourself, what you've been doing, welcome it like a non-judgmental friend.
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  SPEAKER_03: Name the thing that you're feeling or seeing or sensing, untangle it and get to the bottom of it, and then go possess the promised land that he's given you, which is just embracing your identity as his beloved child.
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  SPEAKER_01: Marilyn Van Sill, that book, I've just loved it, very much anticipating her new work.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: She couldn't squeeze in the video recording.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm excited because I think Own Up has been really powerful.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think even her that book, just to give a nod to that, gave me a little bit more insight of what transformation was also possible when you use the Enneagram in the fresh perspective of living and following Christ.
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  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, just a beautiful Brian, you clearly have done the work.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, seriously, to be able to articulate that is so profound, painful, but very profound.
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  SPEAKER_01: And thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for being willing to share and step out of side of something that would be your comfort zone to be vulnerable.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you've just given a gift to a number of people.
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  SPEAKER_03: So thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I just believe this whole conversation is going to be a gift.
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  SPEAKER_01: So instead of continuing to delay, we've given a nod to maybe some painful stories, painful history, maybe on the edge of tears.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to promise anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's been a few conversations where I've been this close.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would just let loose.
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  SPEAKER_01: It could happen.
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  SPEAKER_03: I am prepared for whatever.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I'm also simultaneously not at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is when the Lord and the Holy Spirit can take over and have your will.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've had a lot of experience with the local body of Christ, which in our world we call the church.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the church can look like all sorts of various denominations, ethnicities, people groups, all the things.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is to be a place of worship.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's to be a place of comfort and of safety and taking the time to acknowledge with a group of people the awe and declare the awe and the wonder of the Lord and praise and to learn and to be fed and all of these really beautiful, wonderful things.
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  SPEAKER_01: But as a fellow pastor's kid and someone who also has worked in ministry roles, we have probably some similar experiences that don't look as it could.
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  SPEAKER_01: But we both love the bride of Christ.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're coming and we hope that you that everyone listening as you listen to this conversation, that you will know that about our hearts and hear that and everything we say.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll probably make lots of disclaimers and caveats, and that's fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: But so Brian, with that, lead the way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Share a little bit what is on your heart today and how you want to take this conversation.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it could go a million different directions.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I've got way more notes and quotes than I'll know what to do with.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's a whole bunch of books that I'm going to reference and quote, and I want to start with Hero on a Mission by Donald Miller.
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  SPEAKER_03: And he talks about the four characters in every single story.
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  SPEAKER_03: And at some point in our lives, how we take on every single role.
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  SPEAKER_03: They are the victim, the villain, the hero, and the guide.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the victim takes a passive role in that story.
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  SPEAKER_03: They have a passive mindset that life happens to them.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, this thing happened to me.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we are all the victim, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: The big difference is there's a fork in the road for the victim.
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  SPEAKER_03: They can choose to become a villain or they can choose to become a hero.
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  SPEAKER_03: When we choose to become a villain, it's when the victim has been beaten down too often or too much.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then all of a sudden there's this something that rises up that wants to exercise power and control, but not over themselves, over other people.
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  SPEAKER_03: So they don't lead, they manipulate, they don't inspire, they cajole, they rule by fear.
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  SPEAKER_03: They don't have friends or partners, they have minions, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: When you take the path of the hero, you face that obstacle.
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  SPEAKER_03: You look at those struggles and you go on some kind of journey to overcome it.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you've heard a million times the hero's journey, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And they are very human and they very often fail.
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  SPEAKER_03: You think of all of your favorite movies, and your hero is the hero because they had to overcome something and they fell down a whole bunch of times doing it.
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  SPEAKER_03: The big difference is they kept getting up and they kept going forward.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when they finally reach that goal or they finally overcome that hurdle or obstacle, we cheer for them, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then this last figure is the guide.
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  SPEAKER_03: And they're interesting, they're different.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the guide was just the hero, but they kept on going, and now they can point the way for others to follow.
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  SPEAKER_03: And they've experienced everything that the hero hasn't yet come across.
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  SPEAKER_03: So they can kind of offer something along the way, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And thanks to God offering us and granting us our free will, we also get a lot of agency in writing what that story looks like.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the truth is, and I talked about this with my wife this week as I was preparing for this stuff, is I played the victim for a really long time.
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  SPEAKER_03: I didn't know I was doing it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I just knew that I was really hurt and I didn't know what to do with it, and I started lashing out.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I've had 20 plus years of vocational ministry, and we'll talk about spiritual abuse, we'll talk about trauma, we'll talk about church hurt and the results of living with it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And in the end, the victim mentality wasn't helping me at all.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it really wasn't helping the people around me.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I could see how without me knowing, it was turning me into the villain.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because it wasn't just affecting me, it was affecting everyone around me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, why would you want to be around someone who's just always complaining about how hurt they are, what happened to them, right?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: So for the last three or so years, I've been working with my counselor, with my wife, with other friends to finally process all of that hurt and trauma and find a way forward.
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  SPEAKER_03: And just like everything else in life, there's no easy way around it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes you just have to go through it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so now I'm here and I'm hoping to serve a little bit as a guide for us today.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I want everyone to know that what I've walked through, no promises that it's not gonna happen to you.
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  SPEAKER_03: I can at least sit with you in it and hopefully provide some guidance for your own journey through it.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: And for the Enneagram, I loved your two opening questions.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're here because of our shared interest and passion for the Enneagram and for its influence on our lives, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: For me, one of its biggest, absolute biggest impacts has been my capacity for grace and compassion.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't super clear my type at the beginning, so I'll just out that I'm a one.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I just I thrive on wanting to be good and right and perfect and all the things, and it left very little room for grace because that inner critic is always yelling, and then when I can't take it anymore, it spills out sideways on everyone else around me.
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  SPEAKER_03: And as soon as I learned the Enneagram and that sleeping it last song that says, Grace requires nothing of me, I was like, I never knew.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know it's been told to me a million times, but I never understood till now.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when I was finally able to accept grace for myself, I suddenly instantly found it for everyone else.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was like, oh, you mean no one else has this voice in their head?
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  SPEAKER_03: People don't normally yell at themselves all day long.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't have to do that.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's okay if I turn in something that's not perfect.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's okay if you turn in something that's not perfect, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And the tools that the Enneagram provides have given me a really clear way through the joy and the pain of seeing and learning and knowing who I really am.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then the joy and pain of learning and seeing and knowing who the people around me are too.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wasn't that so profound?
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: I am so in awe when an Enneagram one can share so vulnerably.
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  SPEAKER_01: Brian's words bless me, and I pray that they bring relief and understanding to your heart and life as well.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Now, next up, Pastor Tyler Zach, who shares Enneagram themes found in Bible narratives, is the session that you're gonna hear a little bit from next.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, when my video editor, who happens to be a three, was done editing Tyler's interview for me, she sent me a voxer declaring that she was right away gonna order his Enneagram 340-day devotional.
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  SPEAKER_01: You guys, Tyler's teaching is that good.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna want more as soon as you hear this little snippet.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you love what any of these Enneagram experts are sharing today, be sure to sign up via the link in the show notes for the upcoming summit.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would love for you to be able to listen to more of what the Lord has placed in their hearts to share with you this year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, day one of the summit is all about faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: Day two is themed about marriage, day three, parenting, and day four and five.
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  SPEAKER_01: The interviews are all about leadership, leading you and leading others.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, now we're gonna dive in to hear what Tyler has to say about typing different Bible characters with an Enneagram number.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: This is so good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tyler, you have done your study.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love how you've given us a new, fresh perspective to look at these stories and to maybe to find some of our story here in the Big God story.
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  SPEAKER_01: And how did God encounter their hearts and how might he want to encounter our hearts and where he might want to shine the light in those blind spots and go, hey, there's grace for that too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's let's move in that together.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's so much more wisdom that you could share with us.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think in just like finishing this conversation, what else would you want to leave with us today in just of what you've learned, whether about the Enneagram or the things that you would like for us to receive in our hearts, the truth that you would like to share with us?
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  SPEAKER_02: Something that I want to leave each type with, just one quick thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I won't explain them.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll just give it for the sake of time here.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I think there's defining moments that show up in your life of you have to receive it or you can reject it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if you receive it, it's very transformative.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a defining moment in your life.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think God causes these things, but I think when they happen, then He can use them to transform you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so a defining moment for the ones is when you experience a standard you can't reach.
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  SPEAKER_02: When you finally realize there's a standard that you can't reach and that you are perfect apart from reaching that standard.
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  SPEAKER_02: For type twos, I think it's when you receive a burden that you can't carry.
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  SPEAKER_02: When you finally get to a place where you can't, so you have to stop helping others and you have to actually start asking others for help, that God can really use that in your life to transform you.
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  SPEAKER_02: For type threes, the defining moment is when you receive a failure that you can't hide from, and you're just exposed and you have nothing left but just your identity in Christ.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: For type fours, I think a defining moment is when you receive a person you can't push away.
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  SPEAKER_02: Fours are prone to negative self-talk and oftentimes will just push people away that are trying to pursue them.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if you can let that loving person stay in your life and not push them away, they can help remind you of how beautiful you are, that you're a masterpiece, that you're made in the image of God and you're special.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: And if you don't push them away, but receive them and receive the truth that they're giving, it can be really transformative.
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  SPEAKER_02: For five, the defining moment is when you receive a loss that you can't rationalize.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just had a experience of five who didn't show up for a funeral that I was doing because it was too painful for them to even show up and to experience grief and loss.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if you can receive that rather than compartmentalizing it and moving on and receive that and work through that, God can really transform you and your emotions.
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  SPEAKER_02: For type for type sixes, the defining moment is when you receive a scenario that you couldn't have prepared for.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, basically realizing that you can prepare and plan for every sort of thing, but you're gonna encounter situations and scenarios where you couldn't have planned for it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But even in that moment, God's gonna continue to protect you and continue to guide you through it.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um so it can build your cultivate your trust.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: For type sevens, it's receiving a pain that you can't outrun.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dang it.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: I've been dealing with that for the last year and a half.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's not fun, but I've lived through it.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: Jesus in the garden, um, before he goes to the cross is the image to meditate on as a seven that Jesus wanted to get out of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: He said, Father, can this cut pass?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: But ultimately he said, Not my will, but your will be done, and went through the pain and obviously saved the world through him going through his pain.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um so powerful battle preach.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: That is good.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then for type eights, it's a defining moment is when they receive a battle that they can't win and realize that they're not love for being tough and for being victorious, but love for being vulnerable and letting God fight your battles rather than you always fighting your battles.
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  SPEAKER_02: For nines, the defining moment is a conflict you can't avoid.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: So whether it's a boss, a spouse, being forced to sit and work through conflict, knowing that it's going to produce intimacy and results rather rather than if you just avoided it.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Embracing conflict is a pathway to transformation and intimacy.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Allowing the tension to rise up or the anger even and engage with those feelings and move through them instead of around them or sweep it under or try to get over it.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's so clear that Tyler has a teaching gift, right?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: In his full-length interview, he visits each Enneagram number and designates one to a well-known Bible character with a certain Enneagram type and explaining his reasons.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're curious about what Bible character Tyler has as an Enneagram theory about and his insights and tips about living as that type, again, I encourage you to join us for the summit and sign up and get your free ticket.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Now, last but not least, Jessica Betts comes to the summit again this year as a speaker to share on how we can stop trying to be the ideal you and grow the actual you.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: In her episode, she shared how the bad news of our Enneagram types is actually good news when we submit it to God.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Again, My video editor, who is Nila and also the podcast editor, yes, she is that amazing.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: She sent me a lengthy Voxer message after she finished editing Jessica's episode.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: And Nila said that you could sense the Holy Spirit's anointing on Jessica and described this episode as fire.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: And we both agree that Jessica's powerful message needed to make an appearance in full on the podcast.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: So watch out that for sometime next year.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: But if you want to listen to the full interview now and not wait months and months because it could be a whole year from now to hear it on the podcast, sign up for the summit today.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: But for now, I hope you'll enjoy listening to Jessica Preach.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: Girlfriend preach.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: I got nothing to add.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yay.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's get to the heart for any Graham Sevens.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: We have a seven here.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: So let's see if uh preach to me.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: So bad news, sevens.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: You will not be able to shield yourself from moments of deep pain or sorrow.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: The good news is God is close to the brokenhearted and he saves the crushed in spirit.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: So what's your invitation then?
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Enneagram sevens.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: Your invitation is to experience God's peace and comfort in the midst of hardship.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: There's something about hardship.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Once again, we just talked about that like post-two-day conference.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: What is happening?
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's something, if we're really honest with ourselves, about hardship and crisis that kind of shakes everything that we've believed and really shakes who we are.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember this would have been 2016.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: There were three years of my life that just felt like hardship after hardship.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Loved ones that were geared to me were passing away.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: I had three people pass away in a span of a week.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: I could not understand why God had called me into where He had called me to.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: My partnership team, my fundraising team was like seriously suffering.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I just remember feeling like this weight of like, God, I am being crushed right now.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: But when I look back, what I begin to see is that in those three years, I learned about a God who comforted in a way that was closer than a friend.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I learned about God's character and his heart towards those who can offer nothing in return.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: Because it was like a year after year went by where I was like, I don't know why you love me, God.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: I have nothing on the table to offer you right now.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it did not matter.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like God was so gracious in those moments of deep pain and deep sorrow to do like real heart restoration work that had I not experienced those years of hardship, there was something about God that I would have missed out on.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: And he was too gracious to let me do that.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's too gracious to keep me blind to my own dependency on myself.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I went through these seasons.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: He's not a God of suffering, but he's a God that draws close in suffering.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: And when I think about this concept, what I really think about is David in Psalm 63, who's in the middle of the promise and the actual fulfillment.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: And he finds himself in the wilderness running from King Saul.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: And he cries out to God and he says, My bones are weary, I'm thirsty.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: These are physical things, but these are also spiritual things that he's saying.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: He says his body longs for God, and it feels like he's in a dry and weary land.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: And this is going to be the English major nerd in me a little bit.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: But here we go.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: If you look at this is all present tense, my soul is weary, my body is longing.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: I am in a dry and weary land.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's a tone shift that happens like this.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: And he says, But when I look back, when I look back to the sanctuary, I remember your promises.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then we see a tone shift once again.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: There's another tense shift.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so what we have is we go from present to past.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then he says, But my lips will praise you.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: These hands will rejoice again.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: And what we have seen now is when David looked back at the character of God in a time that was hard, in a time that he was being pressed, he remembered his faithfulness, and it didn't matter about the circumstance anymore, because even though it was overwhelming and it didn't change, he was still in the wilderness.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: David knew something about the heart of God that allowed him to raise his hands and praise again.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: And Enneagram Sevens, where David looked back to the sanctuary, we look back to the cross.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: We have the cross to look back to.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so what we see is this God is unchanging.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: The God that David learned about in the wilderness is the same God that will bring you through deep moments of pain.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: And he won't abandon you in the pain, but he'll take you through it.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: He holds your hand through it, and he says, Well, it's meant to break you.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: I will use for my good.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: And that is the God you serve, any Graham Sevens.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's the God who walks alongside you.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: So your invitation is to experience the peace and the comfort that comes in what can feel like crushing sometimes.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm receiving that word.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and amen.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: It has been, there's been so much crushing, but Psalm 23, we are a sheep.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: He is our shepherd, he carries us.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: So beautifully said, truly.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: People, oh, this is just so good.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: The goodness here, come on.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: We can share good news because we have a good God.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Jessica delved into her thoughts on Enneagram 7 in this teaser, but she shares about each type in the full interview.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're curious about what she had to say about your specific type, go register for the summit.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's free, it's fun, and I think it's actually going to be life-changing for you.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: There's something the Lord wants to share with each and every one of you who attend and watch the teachings of the summit.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: I am confident of this.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: So don't miss out.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: Sign up today.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: You won't regret it.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Now, next week, I'm going to share a few more teasers from my summit interviews with my friend Kim Eddy, who's talking about co-parenting in the church.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Then I have Suzanne Stabile.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: She's a part of the summit this year.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: So excited about that.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so good.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to hear a snippet of that interview in next week's podcast, and she'll share a little bit about wisdom and marriage.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're also going to hear a bit from Evan Doyle from Enneagram Gifts, and he shares about how we can build trust for each Enneagram type.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait for you to hear these sneak peeks.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: They are short but impactful.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: So until next week, continue to pursue God's perspective, purpose, and plans for the wholehearted life you desire.