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Christ Conciousness & Healing Trauma | Jimmy Bongo · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Hello friends, I'm your host, christ Throw. I'm a former
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  Speaker 2: Romeries commando. I've adventured the better and sometimes worse across
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  Speaker 2: eighty countries on all seven continents.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the.
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  Speaker 2: Port the T Shirt Podcast. Jimmy, how are you mate?
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Chris of God, thank you, Thank you've having me.
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  Speaker 2: On our absolute pleasure. Thank you to Aaron for hooking
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  Speaker 2: us up. Yeh and yes mate, Well you've been on
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  Speaker 2: quite a journey. So can I just one sect? Jimmy,
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  Speaker 2: what we've talked about. Jimmy. Yeah, life. Fascinating thing, isn't it. Life.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about your story, but let's go
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  Speaker 2: in at the deep end. I think the refinement of everything,
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  Speaker 2: almost like the cherry on the cake, is when you
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  Speaker 2: get to grips with something called Christ's consciousness.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely million, which for friends.
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  Speaker 2: At home, please believe me, is nothing to do with religion.
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  Speaker 2: It's about a metaphorical, physical, and alchemical, a chemical biological
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  Speaker 2: process that takes place within you when you go when
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  Speaker 2: you step out of the matrix, become awake and then
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  Speaker 2: start to view life in terms of energy, vibration and frequency.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a beautiful place to be because it is
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  Speaker 2: when you hear the word paradise, that's what they're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to explore that with you, with you, Jimmy,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I can maybe talk about my enlightenment in
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  Speaker 2: a bit, but what what's Christ say to you with.
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  Speaker 3: I think, like I think there's a lot.
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  Speaker 4: There's some suitent in the books, but I think it's
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  Speaker 4: been hijacked by the religion and just you know, like,
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  Speaker 4: do you give us a bits of information in it,
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  Speaker 4: because I think once you, I think, out of the darkness,
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  Speaker 4: come a delight, because it's usually from the darkness where
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  Speaker 4: you where you become enlightened when you're in a really
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  Speaker 4: dark I call it the Kingdom of Heaven, and it's
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  Speaker 4: like the Holy Spirit igniting you and not do religion again.
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  Speaker 4: It was like there was a stillness within me that
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  Speaker 4: I found while I was in the darkness, and then
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  Speaker 4: I completely everything just shredded away, and then I like
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  Speaker 4: the awakening that it was. It was, it was something
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  Speaker 4: profound and I could I don't think you can really
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  Speaker 4: explain it fully unless you've been through it. I called
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  Speaker 4: them the magic glasses. Once you weigh the magic glasses,
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  Speaker 4: when you become clost conscious or God conscious, God consciousness.
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  Speaker 4: To me, it was it was it was like like
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  Speaker 4: you said that the follow it's like as if all
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  Speaker 4: of your DNA is healing, is healed, and then you
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  Speaker 4: you've opened your your your seven checkers start spinning, your
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  Speaker 4: ground as your you know, your your heart, your throat
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  Speaker 4: checker at.
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  Speaker 3: Your dead eye and then your crown wady.
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  Speaker 4: I think the what we were talking about in the
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  Speaker 4: books is where you see with you, with you, it
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  Speaker 4: looks like you go to spaceship a spaceman's helmet on,
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  Speaker 4: but it's enlightenment because the knowledge that's coming in is
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  Speaker 4: like I got them downloads. That's why I write here,
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  Speaker 4: because I'll write, I get download and I'll write. Before
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't, I always felt to all the police. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't be like a fitizan anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: I felt like an odd ball.
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  Speaker 4: I used to get really low, really low, the excessiveness
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  Speaker 4: of you know, instead of bitten in became here to standout.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I tell people. We can come here to me,
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  Speaker 4: come into standouts. You don't want to be a sheep.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned the scripture and I'm massive for the scripture.
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  Speaker 2: I'm always encouraging people to get this, this dictionary, which
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  Speaker 2: I can't show it on my screen now, but I
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  Speaker 2: can show people the physical copy. This is a decode.
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  Speaker 2: This tells you what is actually actually in scripture? What
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  Speaker 2: does it mean when you hear these crazy stories that
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  Speaker 2: literally make no sense? And by that you learn that
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  Speaker 2: things like so Jesus. And this is an allegory now, folks.
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  Speaker 2: The actual guy I believe was called yes you were.
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  Speaker 2: But the ancient Greeks when they rewrote the Bible in Greek,
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  Speaker 2: they wanted to get in their sun symbolism, and that
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  Speaker 2: the astrological calendar, and so Jesus they've likened to the sun.
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  Speaker 2: The son of Judah is Judah or the line of
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  Speaker 2: Judas stands for yes, stands for enlightenment. And the tribe
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  Speaker 2: of Juba camp at the right hand side. So it's
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  Speaker 2: allegory for.
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  Speaker 4: The believer is empathic side, and that the left is
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  Speaker 4: the I call it the lizard bloon or the monkey
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  Speaker 4: blame where your.
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  Speaker 3: Survive on molds or you.
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  Speaker 4: But your compassion and your empathy and your creativity is
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  Speaker 4: your right side.
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  Speaker 2: Jimmy, can you just sit back a bit because I
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  Speaker 2: think you're the the camera's going out of focus. We
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  Speaker 2: can just see a blur that I think. That's cool, Yes, mate, No,
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  Speaker 2: it's great to be. Isn't it amazing that you can
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  Speaker 2: have these chats with some people? And I mean I
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  Speaker 2: mean this not disparagingly at all, because the process of
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  Speaker 2: enlightenment is understanding we.
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  Speaker 3: Are all one.
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  Speaker 2: There's only one this in the universe, of course, but
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  Speaker 2: it's purely from a fascination point of view. We're probably
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  Speaker 2: liking the you know, the zero point one percent of
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  Speaker 2: the population that have any clue what we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: actually going on, and out of that one percent, those
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  Speaker 2: which will be enlightened is like nor point not not
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  Speaker 2: not not not not not. Because you you've got want
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  Speaker 2: to have eyes to see and ears to hear.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, I think that's what I say. There
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  Speaker 3: is some there is some. There is some through in
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  Speaker 3: the scriptures, but it's metaphorically. It isn't literal. I think
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  Speaker 3: it's all metaphor. It's like like making the bland man see.
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  Speaker 3: I think that is enlightenment.
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  Speaker 4: I think that is where you take the blinkers off
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  Speaker 4: and then you see see it for what it really
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  Speaker 4: is and you see through the control mechanisms that are
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  Speaker 4: in place from from the cradle to the great.
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  Speaker 2: So let's go the other way. Then, let's take take
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  Speaker 2: your story. You said something interesting in your notes. You
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  Speaker 2: you put it down as growing up in the matrix,
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, can we can we talk a bit about
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  Speaker 2: your journey and how you ended up as a poet
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  Speaker 2: and a comedian and a filmmaker.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a streak kid. I was a streak kid. Chris.
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  Speaker 4: I'm youngest of eleven. I'm youngest of eleven children from
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  Speaker 4: from the building area in Liverpool Seem and from a
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  Speaker 4: very early age I rebelled because at six, my my
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  Speaker 4: friend got actually got murdered when I was six, and
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  Speaker 4: it was it was.
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  Speaker 3: I I've seen things completely.
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  Speaker 4: Different than what everyone else did, because usually shock or
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  Speaker 4: trauma brings your and I used to just look on
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  Speaker 4: and I used to think it was like a pansama.
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  Speaker 4: I used to just be like like look at me,
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  Speaker 4: at me, siblings and everyone on the way they carry on.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's not really used to do Mammy like.
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  Speaker 3: Compunctioning judy or you know.
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  Speaker 4: Way you could see it was like a simulation from
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  Speaker 4: a very early age where it is it's just a
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  Speaker 4: big move and ebb and floating. But where you you know,
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  Speaker 4: where you don't you you can't really comprehend what is
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  Speaker 4: what it is you know. But I think like as
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  Speaker 4: you as you grow, as you grown up as a child,
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  Speaker 4: you know the scrapes you get in and you know
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  Speaker 4: the I was always I almost fably get like not
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  Speaker 4: yet out of cash, because I just didn't feel like
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  Speaker 4: oufited into the demet because I don't know, I think
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  Speaker 4: I think I think indulging in substances as well, you know,
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  Speaker 4: herbs and things like that from a very early age.
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  Speaker 2: So let's just just peel back there. Because often people
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  Speaker 2: were on the podcast they mentioned some apps at a
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  Speaker 2: catastrophic event as though like it's completely normal because to
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  Speaker 2: them they've normalized it. But your best you you're a
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  Speaker 2: child and one of your best friends gets murdered. Did
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  Speaker 2: you say, yeah, I got murdered.
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  Speaker 3: I was sick.
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  Speaker 2: How how could you give us some context what happened?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he got taken by some people on the done
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  Speaker 4: stuff to you and and killed them. And they and
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  Speaker 4: the found them, they found them, they found them in
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  Speaker 4: a bin. So that was I sort of rebelled after that.
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  Speaker 2: Is that? Sorry to interrupt, but that sounds uncannily familiar
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  Speaker 2: with the Jamie Boulger thing, doesn't it? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Very similar, Yeah, very very similar.
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  Speaker 2: Can we just investigate there because there was absolute public
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  Speaker 2: outrage and hatred for them two lads when when that
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  Speaker 2: little tacker they basically sorry, friends at home, if you're
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  Speaker 2: feeling sensitive, today you might want to give this one
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  Speaker 2: a miss, but you know, they tortured the kid to death,
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  Speaker 2: did horrible things.
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  Speaker 3: To well, this was this wasn't children that it was,
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  Speaker 3: it was adult. It was it was it was an adult.
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  Speaker 3: To talk about.
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  Speaker 2: The link I was trying to get at, Jimmy, is
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  Speaker 2: that for them to have done what they did to Jamie,
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  Speaker 2: what the hell were they going through? I'm not trying
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  Speaker 2: to justify it.
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  Speaker 3: What sort of upbring them with the they have, but
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  Speaker 3: I've heard stuff like they used to.
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  Speaker 4: They told your animals and little animals, know, like game
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  Speaker 4: pets and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: So god knows what he was seeing at all.
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  Speaker 2: And your friend was adults that kidnapped in Yeah, he.
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  Speaker 4: Took him my name, it was there was you know,
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  Speaker 4: I've tried to I've tried to research. I've tried to
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  Speaker 4: research and find because I did the poem.
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  Speaker 3: How I affected me for years, like addiction and mental
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  Speaker 3: health and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: Because but it wasn't until like a therapy and and
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  Speaker 4: things like that, and that I realized that that was
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  Speaker 4: where all the the abauty, the substance abuse, and that
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  Speaker 4: you know, like the darkness might may have have came from.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I've lost I tried to get some information
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  Speaker 3: on it, and there was no information whatsoever on it.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take it one step at a time, brother, because
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  Speaker 2: I think our audience has really want to hear your
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  Speaker 2: story and at the moment we're kind of stepping over
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  Speaker 2: here and not really you know, so this is horrific.
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  Speaker 2: Did you receive what was this kind of some satanic thing?
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  Speaker 2: Were they? Were they?
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  Speaker 4: Just?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so. I think it was something like that,
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  Speaker 3: like a Peter of billion. It was definitely do a billion.
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  Speaker 2: And okay like that. Yeah, did you get any you
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  Speaker 2: or your friends get offered any therapy for that?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 3: No. I remember going.
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  Speaker 4: Into the school and actually getting punched in the back
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  Speaker 4: of the air by by one of the nuns. Then
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  Speaker 4: a couple of days later, and I remember looking at
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  Speaker 4: and thinking, do you don't know what happened to that?
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  Speaker 4: Like you just happens on my mates and like he
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  Speaker 4: went through a different SCHOOLI I went to the cat
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  Speaker 4: Scully into the more pleasant school Dan that old but
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  Speaker 4: just absolutely horrendous.
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  Speaker 3: And I wasn't still in the in the fifties that
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  Speaker 3: I got I had telepen so do.
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  Speaker 4: It and writing I didn't write, and I did a
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  Speaker 4: poem of and I saw that released it and it
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  Speaker 4: was it was a big release, you know, sort of
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  Speaker 4: like laying them to dress.
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  Speaker 2: So you mentioned nuns. You mentioned complex trauma because she's
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  Speaker 2: just smacking you around the head whilst you're already traumatized.
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  Speaker 2: This is that you can see here, friends at can
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  Speaker 2: see where the layers of trauma, yeah, come in. And
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  Speaker 2: especially back then when we were kids, stuff, some stuff
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  Speaker 2: went on that kids these days wouldn't believe was allowed
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  Speaker 2: to happen.
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  Speaker 4: I've never never seen any any any any sexual abuse,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of physical abuse because you used to just
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  Speaker 4: be able to beat you up then, didn't it and.
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  Speaker 3: No one you know, well we didn't know it was.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't know what it was. Then when we all
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  Speaker 2: become adults. The girls that want one of my primary
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  Speaker 2: schools because I went to fight. I went to six
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  Speaker 2: schools before the age of eleven. Gives people an idea
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  Speaker 2: of my, my, my childhood a little bit like no, my,
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  Speaker 2: well my, you know, my parents couldn't get it together
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  Speaker 2: and and as a result, we we we had a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a turbulent experience as kids. But hey, ho
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  Speaker 2: not not complaint but it was just funny. When all
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  Speaker 2: the girls got older, they and they started networking, probably
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  Speaker 2: through Facebook. They were all like, did so did that
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  Speaker 2: teacher used to pick you up put you on top
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  Speaker 2: of the cupboard And everyone was like yeah, and did
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  Speaker 2: he like have a good feel as he was, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's funny, do you know what I mean? And and
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  Speaker 2: and then you realize, oh bloody, how that you know?
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  Speaker 2: It was there? We just didn't understand it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't didn't understand it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I had my family. I was actually I had
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  Speaker 4: a really loving family. My mom and dad were amazing.
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  Speaker 4: But did all the people didn't really understand what you
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  Speaker 4: know about traumal? Back then, it wasn't really talk.
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  Speaker 2: About, no, not at all. When I went through the mill, like,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know what depression. No one had ever said.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know what anxiety. Look like, what's this weird
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  Speaker 2: thing that I'm feeling? What they're do in Australia now, Jimmy,
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  Speaker 2: they've got this point system where the combined services so
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  Speaker 2: social work, school, you know, police, whatever. They're looking at
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  Speaker 2: these children as they come through the system and they're saying, right,
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  Speaker 2: you get a point for this, you get a point
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  Speaker 2: for that. They call it a traffic something. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's like traffic light system and they mark them on
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  Speaker 2: so absent father boom you you know, you get ten
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  Speaker 2: points immediately, Mother got an how you know, addicted to alcohol.
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  Speaker 2: That's you're a twenty pointer. Now social deprivation, you know,
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  Speaker 2: living in squalor, you're a thirty pointer. And and you
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  Speaker 2: know if you make that ten, even if you make
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  Speaker 2: five points, you're already at risk of PTSD in later.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you're you're a traumatized individual. And as such,
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  Speaker 2: the idea is in Australia they can then put services
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  Speaker 2: in place to support you through you know, through your
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  Speaker 2: your journey. But when we were kids, just like none
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  Speaker 2: of the they just used to dish dish mother's out
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  Speaker 2: value and didn't they.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, mother's little helper, little helper. I I also witnessed
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  Speaker 4: my sister getting getting beaten up. Witness with witness my
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  Speaker 4: sister getting beaten on. One was all twelve, and that
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  Speaker 4: added really, really really damas in effect on me as well,
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  Speaker 4: because I come from you know, with someone on your family,
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  Speaker 4: you went be hand and under men.
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  Speaker 3: You know. Life of the Life told me five, but
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  Speaker 3: I have five.
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  Speaker 4: My brothers with five add case brothers and and I
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  Speaker 4: couldn't believe, I think, did you they hadn't gone down?
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  Speaker 3: But I understand now that you know man them. I
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  Speaker 3: understood later on that the man of wife.
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  Speaker 4: And you know it's a complex, you know, complex situation
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  Speaker 4: because you obviously loved them and then you know you
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  Speaker 4: interfere with that you you know, you can put someone
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  Speaker 4: off and then adding the more vulnerable when they cuts
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  Speaker 4: off from the family instead of the family being able
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  Speaker 4: to go down and check them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it all, it.
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  Speaker 4: All adds to the you know, like you said before
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  Speaker 4: that that I call it depressed when when I when
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  Speaker 4: I went into it, because it was it was like
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  Speaker 4: as if I call it the meats the bodies of
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  Speaker 4: meat suit, because you're just you know, with spirits after
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  Speaker 4: the meat too. So this is my okay analysis of
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  Speaker 4: the metrix. And I got to your point where it
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  Speaker 4: like the meat suits, you just put it down.
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  Speaker 2: But which jumping forward again, mate, I got so could
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  Speaker 2: you apply like I couldn't apply myself at school. All
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  Speaker 2: I could do was look out the window and fantasized
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  Speaker 2: about the eventures I was going to have when I
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  Speaker 2: was going to I was going to go all the
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  Speaker 2: way around the world. I was going to you know,
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  Speaker 2: work in travel through Africa that I couldn't apply myself because.
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  Speaker 4: I felt like it was you know what, I felt
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  Speaker 4: like they were speaking like an earn a foreign language
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  Speaker 4: to me. I just I knew what they were saying,
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  Speaker 4: but I didn't really want to learn it. Deep down,
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  Speaker 4: I inately knew that it was bs iknew that was
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  Speaker 4: nonsense that they were teaching me. Taught me to count
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  Speaker 4: and and by reading blade. But I was sagging school
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  Speaker 4: from eight years of age. Did you know what sagon
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  Speaker 4: school means and being like not you know, skipping school. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I was skipping school from eight years of age and
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  Speaker 4: just going and doing my own things with me pals
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  Speaker 4: and that sort of from that was from junior school,
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  Speaker 4: got caught couple of times, got a couple of beatings
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  Speaker 4: because you used to get used to beat yeah, as
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: you know these days. And then once a gone to
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: senior school, I was just I just wanted to go
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: and play. I used to go to woods. We lived
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: like by woods, so that was my playground. I just
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: was loved being a native being in the woods and
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: you know, just go swimming, You just go swimming in
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: your undies and you know, like there was you know,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: like like there was ponds there.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Probably really dangerous.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: You know, But did you get in many fights?
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Not really? A few, yeah, a few.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Growing up it was very, very very violent in the
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: seventies Liverpool and the seventies it was extremely violent. I
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: lived in play small Crocky Croxters, which is quite well known.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: We moved from town after that happened. We moved up
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: to I thought we'd moved to Wales because there was
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: there was greenery and trees, but it was like it
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: wasn't it was. It was like it was like to
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: go to the bad and the ugly when when you
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: come out on the steat because there's like families. It
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: was like a housing project basically, and each family had
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: like fifteen kids, so you can imagine the fights there was.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: There was like a lot lot There was a lot
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: of best fights and you know gang fights and things
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: like that. But I I was quite funny as a kid.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: I had a good sense of hum and I used
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: to do little impressions and people's always seemed to warm
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: to me. And I had a couple of tough guy
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: pulls as well, who they were still friends to this
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: day who sort of looked out for them as well.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: And I have five older brothers. They were.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, got yeah. So did you pass many exams when
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you left school?
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: No, we're not no qualifications whatsoever. I left when I
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: was thirteen.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I left over. I actually left over. It was because
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: of the over the bat G decided to give me
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: the b c G and I said, well, what is it?
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: And then they said to him it was co for you.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: I said, would you say it then? And they were like,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: I said, he's just fainted because the kid in front
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: of me fainted when give him the needle.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I said, I'm not saying, I'm not many like you,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: and then it was like there was there was.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: There was an altercation and I basically told the f
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: off and my house and I've never even go back
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: after that.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, and so what was your first employment? What did
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you do when you left school?
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: I used to do I was on the building game
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: on the building, and the building was a bricklayer, and
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: I was on career. I was an on carrier, but
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: I was I was, I was very I was. I
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: was involved in street stuff as well, So it was
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: sort of what I call arch your craft, Rice, can
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: you explain that I was you know, I used to
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: get a lot of you know, like a lot of
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: handle a lot of goods, you know.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Like stolen goods, stolen good Yeah, I got yeah, you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: but I got a toaster at the moment, any chance
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: of you And yeah, this is fast fascinating mate. And
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: so you're kind of performing to a public has already
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: begun because I'm guessing you're getting a bit of attention
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: from telling you know, making people laugh, and it's taking
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: your mind off your underlying trauma. So what when did
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: you progress onto any other sort of career of significance
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: that we need to know about? Or shall to just
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: talk about your awakening from the matrix?
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I didn't really like I say, I didn't
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: really feel it. I just sort of floated through life,
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: you know. And then.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Like I say, I used to use a lot of
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: herbs and things like that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And when wait, sorry, when did the if we can say,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: experimenting with substances, when that started whilst in school?
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Both fifteen sixteen?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And what what were your preferred potions? And when did
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: when did you start drinking.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Cannabis?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can say that that's that's okay.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Mushrooms and then and then speed and and then it
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: progressed onto a narcotics then later on down the line.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: But fuelds with alcohol not a good concoction. But I
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: wasn't really a big drinker because in the early days.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: It was it was later on and like that I
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: started thinking heavy Dad that passed away. But it's I
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: think when you when you're in that eye of the storm,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: you you have to have either light ball moments or
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: you have to hit the wall one of the two.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: If you don't have one of them two things, you
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: usually people just stiff away and you know, into into
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: the down with spiral, which is really difficult to get out.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had one, two, three, three like really good mates.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: To one of them, i'd say, you know a best mate,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Although you can have a few best mates, can't you?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Three three of them I've watched what watched well, two
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: of them I watched drink themselves to death. One died
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: fairly recently. I didn't realize the extent I hadn't seen
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: him because of all this bloody medical nonsense. I hadn't
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: seen him for a couple of years in that and
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I only sort of learned after the fact. What I
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: mean is we used to we used to all go
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: out together quite quite a lot. That was our sort
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: of connection, you know, because of all the nonsense that stopped.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Then I kind of developed I found it. I found
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: it an interesting in spirit variance, being pretty much like
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: the only person out of most people I knew that
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: understood what was going on then that everyone else I
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: knew just what they just went along with it, and
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: and that did start making me question, then, so who
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: do I really want to spend my time with?
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Do I want?
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: I know exactly what you mean, because I just took
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: me away from everyone. I just I didn't really want
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: to be around them.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: It was nothing to do with that. They're not like,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: you know, all that nonsense. I you know that consulting.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: It was more to what they were saying, because they
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: were they were giving me anxiety.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: And I don't gone through I don'tlady, dealt with all
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: my stuff. I've gone through.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: I've gone through that awakening ten years before twenty twelve,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: twenty fourteen. But I was half expecting, I'll be honest
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: with you, I was half expecting, you know, the way
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: I know. We you know, once you can, once you see,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: you can't unsee. But I didn't expect him to come
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: like that. I didn't think people would be that naive.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah I did, because I remember how naive I was
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: when I was in the matrix. It was yeah, yeah,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I was a young soldier, young marine kind of.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Well you you must have you must have seen some
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: around the stuff. My father was actually in the was
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: in Casino, Wow wedad. We got wounded in Casino. And
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: he was a heavy drink and he he used to
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: relived that every night when he was when he was thrown,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: I could hair him crying and you know, like sometimes
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: he'd make hair the plain.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Noises he had, he had what he had a wound because.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Of right across right on his back machine gun fire
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: like it looked like a big bay.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: But it looked like he'd been bas or he's had
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: he'd been he had boughty last years or something. It was.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: It was an amazing, amazing, amazing.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Man that a You see, he was in Casino, and
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: you know, when I look back now, the throne and
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: he was such a lovely gentle man. And I think
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: why he had so many children was because of all
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: the death that I've seen, and he despised. He despised war.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: He despised anything to do bit war or the army
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: or anything like that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: And I think.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: You're seeing that. I think you're seeing that because I
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: have my mother always sought me and my dad timing
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: people better than when you first met them, never looked
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: down on anyone unless you're helping them up, and always
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: be kind.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: And I always started to live my life like that,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: So he always had good I always had good ethics,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: and I always had you know them models, so to speak.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: You know. But I think when I think when it's sold,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: when the perception that you're going to see the world
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: and all this nonsense, we be really and actually you're
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: going to be kill him, you're going to be made
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: to them people, you know, going and doing around the stuff.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: You know me, I know my dad when he was dunk,
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: he would sometimes talk about that. I used to think,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, imagine, like you know, we midad the
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: other a long bainess. I remember him telling me a
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: story that him and this cocking and guy they were
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: in they've been getting shelved for about three days and
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: he was in the slit trench and he popped his
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: head up. And as he popped his head up, but
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: game and popped his head up, and my dad obviously,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: like you know, on loaded into him.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: But he had a he had a long bane at me. Dad.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: He was like the he used to feel.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: He had like a baseball war rifle with a long bayinness.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: So he was like the man he used to feel
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: for the man's I used to think, that's why, why
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: why would you do that?
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: And and his mate said, this is one of this
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: holmes of meat. Put your band in him. Said you
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: can't leave him like that said. He was just lying
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: there chattering and he had to paint. And I would think,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: I imagine doing that when you're like nineteen twenty years
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: of age.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: It's just it's unthinkable, isn't it. You know.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: So the trauma that you know, like you said, I
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: think that a lot of trauma is generational as well.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: It's it's passed down hand and down to condition and
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: stuff like that.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, you say your dad was a lovely man,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: and absolutely no doubt of that. He's still a traumatized individual.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: And there'll be behaviors there that have affected you affected
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: you may.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the the video on your YouTube Family Matters is
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: that your that's not your dad in there, is it?
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my dad, my mom, my grandmother. It goes
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: back to nineteen fifty nine.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I made that.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: It took me four years to make that. The some
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: of my post has three poems in there, and there's
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: there's interviews with me with my mom and my dad,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: my grandmother's in it. There's actually a call flags and
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: there from nineteen sixty three that we did that we
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: got I got. I got my hands on it to
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: some Dutch people who we knew because we.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Wanted to go.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: We wanted we applied to sell the black to Time
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: find it, but they wanted ten thousand pounds. So Jerome,
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: this Dutch guy was doing a documentary and Tony Blair
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: was getting elected and he went into the it TB
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: archives and he basically shoplifted the copy for us, so
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: selling black ones at ten grand so he you know,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: he said he was borrowing it but research purposes.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: And then he just made the copy so.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: It was hilarious myself.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: So he had it goes from there to nineteen and
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: then to the nineties and then to modern day, like
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: my grandchildren and my children.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, everyone lighting up their tabs having there some blessed
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: white white bleach spread.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we call it hairy bread.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Me and his daughters called it hairy bread because my
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: daughter bread something this horse. The only one I eat
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: is a white sour though, is the white sour? Have
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I used anything else? My belly just got explode.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Got a bit of a wheat intolerance maybe, yeah, I
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: think so. Yeah, yeah, definitely, you're trying to lay off
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: carbohydrate somewhere. It's full of glue, cose, it's yeah, blue,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: it's not healthy.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: I was doing faster and neked this and it was
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: it was helping me. It was helping me a lot.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: But I haven't been doing a love later, been a
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: little bit of a I've been a little bit excessive
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: with the foods. But it was sort of about Aaron before,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: like did you you you were you're aware of the
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Clive Freeman.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Case, aren't you?
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Absolutely?
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I think that's that's absolutely discussed on what's
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: going on there that I actually did a poem I did.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I wrote a poem for the for the for the
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: for the campaign.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: But it looks like he's satinly hell, isn't he's you know,
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: he's not got long left and do you want to
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: explain for people who he is? So they know dream
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: and is the longest saving Well, he's maintained as innocent
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: since since since the since the incident. He was accused
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: of may there, which but he was out of the
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: country at the time and he's been in businesses nineteen
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: nineteen eighty eight. But they're gonna they're going to release
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: him in nineteen ninety eight. But he he he wouldn't
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: change his play. Well, I wouldn't change your play harder
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: if I was. Why would you have missed something that
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: you haven't done, especially something horrendous like that. So he's
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: going to the Court of appeal.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: He was accused of burking someone, which is uh.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Which is what what what's it called baking king?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a technique where you're
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: allegedly you kneel on someone's lungs so they can't breathe.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: And it came from a weird case of burke and
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: so and so that was some some antique murder that
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: happened in the past and then the guy ended up
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: his corpse ended up a light and it all seemed
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: like everything on the outside, if you weren't prepared to dig,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: looked just like it was Clive. But as soon as
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you started scratching, you started to see some things, you
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: know that that just couldn't couldn't have happened if it
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: was him, and longest serving prisoner because he's always maintained
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: his innocence and as such they won't they won't release him,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: which is crazy because if he'd pled guilty, he would
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: maybe have got you know what, six to eight years
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: or something, but as a result, he's been.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: In there like forty forty odd years.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of long time. Yeah, yes. And should
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I just play that poem that you've sent us, Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I've got friends. Let's have a listened to this easy
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: way else.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: But that's just fuol And there's no tolls. You'd be
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: more blieve. And let's not pretend that they last those
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: to a sad end.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I've seen an that one with so many young men, yes,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: talking about people taking their own lives.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's that's that's that I'm recorded that yesterday. That's
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: no way out. That is a that is about suicidal invention.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: It's a but I did the two.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: It was back.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: I think it's back like a piano, like like a classical,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: because I knew it was fit. Because my dad was
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: a jazz musician as well, so I always grew up
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: around around music. My gampions had a dance hall and
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: scot One rolled in the nineteen twenties and thirty, so
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: we always had piano. We always had instrument around the house.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: So I've always had ears.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, got you. So see you left school, you got
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: into a bit of the old substances, and how how
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: did things progress then? So to give you an idea,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I kind of, you know, I came back from Hong
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Kong in the nineties, massive crystal meth problem, which then
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: then turned to base because base speed was the only
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: thing you could get in this country. And then I,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: you know, I was chronic on that for sort of
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: eighty months, but I couldn't do any longer because my
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: life just fell apart and I was just just mentally
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: and physically and material at my house. Yeah, just everything,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: the wheels came off everything, and I was kind of
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: like forced into a position where I had to change.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: And that was the moment that I become enlightened by
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: by leaving the past behind and forgiving, forgive having people,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: by being grateful, and by cutting down on that staff.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: That was enough to put the wheels in motion to
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: let literally let the light into my soul or let
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: my soul connect with the divine and I just I
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: got it. Then it's like, wow, I get it.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: I think that's what the holy spirit is. I think
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: that's what it is.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: When when when the light comes in and that I
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: got ideal poem called the Kingdom of Heaven, they're both
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: going up as a child.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: And then when you you know, when you reach that
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: whatever the state.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: Of awareness or consciousness or you know, enlightenment, whatever you
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: want to call it, how you get there, it doesn't
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: matter you get there as long as you get there.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: But I don't think you can get there because because
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: what when you're taking substance and you're teaking.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Because I I I live.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Through the heroine epidemic in in the in the eighties,
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: and it was absolutely adrendous that there was most of
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: the people who I grew up with dad to I'd
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: say at least half of them todd through the heroine
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: heroine epidemic and then the crack crack epidemic in the nineties,
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: you know where you know, I've seen a lot of
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of lovely people, good people
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: end up really messed up and die because they're also
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: you're also in your states of consciousness, which to substance.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: It's it's called the altered states. That's what it's actually
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: called altered states, which is states of consciousness. Way like
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: you say, as you go to the two levels of
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: it where you in the end where you can you
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: can actually get there through breath to breed and through breath,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: you know. But we're not sought how to breed, you know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: or anything like that. You know, we're not we're not
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: sorts the tools. We could easily be given these tools.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: I think, like now, because we might have family business
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: is practical band to you maybe to also my wife,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: and we we do we do a sound healing. We
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: do sound here and we do.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: What was your business.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: We didn't quite catch that practical magic practical, Yeah, it's
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: a realistic shops. We do reiki, we do massage, we
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: do we do large gatherings like free meditations for for
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: mental health, for people's mental health and well being. Because
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: the single bowls. They seem to connect your reconnected with
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: your soul and the thousands help thousands and thousands of
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: people in the city all over because you know, they're
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: quite it's quite a famous, it's quite famous shop, you know,
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: and you know.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: On the on the on the internet and all that.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: They do a lot of a lot of good stuff
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: in the communities. We saw by you did the mental
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: health policy music events and we we do a sound
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: here and at the beginning of that. But it's it's
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: that connected, reconnected with the all where we we the
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: matix for me as a soul sap.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: But it's it's.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: You know that that repetitive. There's most you know, you
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: speak to most people. They hate the job. Most people
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: hate the job. That shouldn't be your life. You should
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: enjoy what you do.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Should you know?
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Jim, I just want to show friends at home
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Practical Magic Healing on Instagram. Would that be you?
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's our shop.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we get that picture up for people there. We
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: go folks, Practical Magic Healing. If you want to go
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: and give that one a follow if you're looking.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: We saw it's a crystal shop, but we also do
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: realistics in there. We do you know and the other treatments.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: But I'm Jimmy, I'm just curious. I really want to track.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I basically want to know your drug history because that
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: give you an idea of where you were in your mind,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: your life. So you said you're experimenting a bit at school.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: How did it get heavy with you?
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: What kind of I think in the eighties I.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Smoked a lot of weeds and things like that, and
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: then I've seen a lot of people taking like a heroine.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: I had a little gold myself.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Not really bad. And then the nineties it was more cocaine.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: But me it was cocaine, cocaine and alcohol and like that.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: And did you get to a place where you thought,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: you know, I'll start to leave the substances behind, but
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I'll go a bit more regular on the alcohol.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: No, as soon as I had the pints, I wanted
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: the lion. I wanted the lion as soon as I
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: had the berby. So it's sort of like I was
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: thinking every day and I'm seeing coq every day. Yeah, okay, excessively.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: I always had a glamor coconbe and I used to
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: go to the football. Is the bot follow the football?
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: And that is a bad combination. And then I've done
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: some habes I don't. I had a little visitation with
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: my able friends and it's sort of give me the
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: nudge in the right direction.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Where was it like a ceremony that you did or
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: did you just take yeah, what did that?
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Drinking the the plant?
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And did they like the bong you know bong the
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: bowls or no?
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: No, it was just there was it was a shaman
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: and I dug the potion and then I sort of
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: went into the mystic and it was like as if
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: somebody like held a mirror up and I could see
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: myself again and I was like, oh, they are they
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: And it's sort of like a set me up, put
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: me on the path to you know, having them awakening,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: And yeah, part of the path of the righteous is
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: never easy, as they say, I think. I think most
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: people who become enlightened or whatever you want, you know,
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: who become cluch conscious, I think most of them their
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: lives it's passion and pain. They have a lot of
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: passion and pain and the life and and trauma and
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: things like that. But it's completely the crystals mess has
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: helped me what crystals to use, and I I stopped drinking,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: stop taking substance, and and then I started writing, and
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: I found writing to be the most therapeutic thing that
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: I'd ever done. And then the poems I could actually
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: through the plant medicine. It gave me this thing where I.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Could It was a bit, a little bit like Scrooge.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: It was like Scrooge.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: It showed me faces of my life, but it showed
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: me through history out you know, we've been manipulated. But
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: then I could sort of like zip in back in,
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: and I was not without taking anything through meditation. I
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: would medicine and I get these downloads and I would
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: write the poems.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: So it was sort of like time.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: It felt like I was time because it was actually there,
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: and I'd write the poems and then i'd come back.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: I would be like a download.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: And then I showed me made them and and he
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: was like, wow, they they I said, He said, when
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: you like them. I said that I don't like ten
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: of them last night, and he was like it was
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: like now, and it was like and he's like music.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: As you said. And he helped me, helped me a lot,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: and we did.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: We recorded them and then we put sound effects to
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: them and and they sort of like went from there,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: and then I was soon after four or five years
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: and just add them, not not using them, but then
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: they I just look like a YouTube channel where I
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: would I would show them often, but it wasn't really
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: getting much. It wasn't really getting much. It was I
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: would say something some which yeah, I don't know. I
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: end up shadow Shadow Band quite a lot.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: On the on the channel. Yeah. Yeah, you've got to
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: play by their by their rules, you know. Yeah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: But so then in Lockdown, I.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: I've done a couple of ceremonies, about three or four ceremonies,
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: like short ceremonies were inhaling the plant, and.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I learned how to make films in Lockdown. Well, I don't,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know what.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: I've done a couple of them, like films show film
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: documentaries and loved it.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: And and and the events.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: I was just doing outdoor events, and it was I
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: actually enjoyed Lockdown, to be know, because I didn't do
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: the stuff what I used to do. So for me,
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: enjoying was going for a walk or going on my
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: bike or I was just sitting in the park and bright.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: So it was very it was I'd say the first one,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: the second one wasn't so it wasn't much fun because
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: it was in the winter. The first one was in
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: the summer. I got a lovely time. I looked like
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: I've been in the barmas.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was it was certainly interesting, interesting times And
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: so did you have Was it just the plants sundary
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: then that it set you up?
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: No?
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: I think I was what happened with me because I
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: hit the wall. I said to you before I hit
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: the wall, because it was getting it was getting that
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: bad that missus and me and my kids were saying
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: to my dad, what are you're doing?
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: What you doing yourself? You just, you know, legs out
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: of control.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Did it get to the point where you just didn't
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: enjoy it anymore but you were sort of addicted.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: To do it?
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, exactly what it was?
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: You did you find yourself. It's like you didn't want
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: to be deceitful for people. It wasn't about that, but
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: you just knew they're never going to understand and they're
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: never going to accept it, so it's probably best they
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: don't know. So you you kind of tried not do
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, try to keep a normal
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: face on it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you become a good liar, you become a good
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: You're wear a mask and you and you pretend that
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: beings all right, but you're smiling on the outside of
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: crying on the end. You'd be like, like I say
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: it like like a game show host, like you know,
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: like that you my means, that's my meat to say.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: And he says, you're like, you know, you're like Leslie Clark,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Leslie Crowd or something like come on there, like, well inside,
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: you know you you're crying inside.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Absolutely so.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So now that you've reached a state of consciousness, Yeah,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: how would you describe it for other people?
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: What?
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: What?
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: What?
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: What do I think?
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's it's joy it's joyous,
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: and it's it's it's celebrating. I think asks you the
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: gratitude that has a lot to do with it, like
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: being grateful for your life, just for weak and up
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: in the morning. And I actually pray a lot now,
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: not to the fellow on the cloud. I actually pray
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: to the to the to the enity of God, or
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: to me I yourself, or to my ancestors.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I pray to them.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: It's always given me strength to you know, and guide
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: me because I think prayer is a mantra.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I think prayer is it's like anything with a vibration,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: vibrational being.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: So it's being proven that you know, like the thing,
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: but the with the with the with the with the
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: eyes where you where you talk to one glass you
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: say horrible things to her, and then you say nice
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: things are real, and then you get the bit of
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: anati sequence with the you get the the the lotus,
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: you know, the lotus flower, the symbol, and then the
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: glass ends up all the stores and I think that's
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: no difference in human beings.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Feel now then now that you understand that, you know
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: that the organized religions at its designed for you know,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: opiate for the masses, isn't it? And contrary, Liverpool is
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: obviously notorious for being a Catholic area. And correct me
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, But do you how do you feel
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: now when you look out at people that just.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of a lot of people have
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: come away from being honest, you know.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: I think that's why they're selling them all at because
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: people don't they don't meet with them anymore.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: You see a poor police, do you No?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if it's worth worth buying one. I'm
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: trying to think what you could do with it. Obviously,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: they make good nightclubs, we know, we know that from
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: New York and our local rave was called the Monastery
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: that that that was an old monastery. That was a good,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: good one.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Always like the rave seems good. Yeah, I used to.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: I used to enjoy it. I got a good little rave.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: What about a roller disco where every time you go
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: past the pulpit you get blessed. Every time you you know,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: every time you every time you hop over the font,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: you get born again. There you go.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think people would resonate with that more, wouldn't it.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: But I just think the the absolute hypocrisy of it.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: And also with the plant, with the with the with
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: the herbs. I found a lot more information. I seem
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: to get a lot of downloads and a lot of
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: stuff used to come into me into my Probably you
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: probably find it yourself because with the algorithms and things.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Like that, I buy a lot more information comes in
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: and like see it.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: Like see they were Constantine where they created all the
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: religions with the control of mechanisms, because it was basically
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: you know, the fund for me now football is the religion.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: You be Man United, you be Liverpool, you'll be Arsenal.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: That's like Islam, you know, Christianity, but it was not
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: so much.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: You know like.
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: And because I think that's what liket and and I
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: think that energy has come back around in the you know,
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: in the within the planets and things like that, and
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: it's it's it's the first sound that we've it's it's
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: it's a very I don't know, it's square.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I don't believe in coincidence, but they do seem to
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: be a mass awaken in that. Man.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing is in nice talk about this quite
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: a lot on this channel is being awake, you know,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: understanding that there's a problem that that's one thing that
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: but you're stilling a matrix when when you're awake, you know,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: being in like being in like, well, it's very different.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Well I think what it is being like you don't
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: get I don't get thrown into it.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: I like George Carlin's and the front or the ure,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: you know where you can just go, oh that's start,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: and that's start.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: I'm okay because I don't want celebrasion.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Jimmy, you were saying a way to help people is
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: you can sort of reveal the codes. Would you agree?
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: You can lead a horse to water, but you definitely
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: can't make them drink that.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: People after you can't make them drink their journeys. Yeah,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: their journey's their journey. You've got to go to it yourself.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: You've got to go to your your your challenges and
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: your tests and and and past the tests, and you know,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: laying from your alience. I don't really think you can
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: awaken other people. I think they've got to go to
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: that themselves. But if you can just give them a
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: nudge and just say maybe you know this or maybe that,
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: I think it all helps.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Absolutely, Jimmy, it's been a fascinating chat. It's been
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: wonderful learning about about your life. It's you for having met,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on No, absolute, absolute pleasure.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: You know, as you can probably guess, these are the
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: conversations I like to have there about esoterics, aren't they,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Which is a yeah, of course, special special part, special
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: part of life. And i'd encourage everyone to take an interest.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: And and you know, had I known back along when
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I was having all my struggles or my my challenges,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: let's say, had I known all you had to do
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: was that, and you suddenly become divided, you know, you
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: become God manifest. Then then I wish I wish someone
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: had told me that, Jimmy, do you know what I mean?
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, is if you introduced it
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: into the schools, and it was.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: Introduced into the curriculum, then you would have a lot
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: of a little little buddhis a little Yes, she was
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: walking around, you know.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, it wouldn't be a bad thing with it. No,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: it wouldn't. It wouldn't.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't, it wouldn't at all. I was just going
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: to make an explanation there of why these kind of
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: god images are masculine. And it's nothing to you, always masculine.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: But when it's called Mother Earth.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, so it's it's the mother is the emotional nature, yeah,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: or male is the sorry, female is the emotional.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: The emotional nature.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Male is them is the mind, you know, And and
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: it's all about masculine feminine. It's not actually about blokes
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: and women. See it seems a bit unfair, but.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: Well it's it's like.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: I think, I I got I come to the conclusion
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: that the a gentle man is someone who's in touch
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: with his feminine and his masculine.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: It isn't Ah, he's a gentleman. You're a gentle man.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: You're you know, you're a gentle man, you know, and
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: you're a protector and you're the nature. And I think
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: it's been wrongly used, like everything else. Well, you know,
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: a gentleman and someone who's greas the top hart on
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: a bowler or a bowler artem.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Has came and where's a corombie and he can be
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: a complete a complete cad s.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: No, they're terms that you don't really hear these days,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: aren't they They were quite you know, that was quite
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: popular in when we were younger, and definitely our parents'
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: generation use those bounder Yeah, yeah, credible, incredible. So what
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do, I'll put your links, Jimmy, I'm
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: just making a note of one in now. Put I'll
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: put your links below the video and for your practical
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: magic healing Instagram and yeah, let's chat again at some
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: point and see where we are on our on our
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: on our journeys.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Thanks you absolutely pleasure.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: Yea.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, stay on the line, Jimmy, just so when I
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: record off, I can thank thank you and say goodbye properly,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: but for the purposes of the recording. Massive thank you
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: much like to you and yours and I'm glad to
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: see you, to see you well friends at home. Hope
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: you enjoyed that one. If you can like and subscribe, obviously,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: that would be awesome. And a massive thank you to
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: everybody who's chipped in a fiver for my upcoming Every
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Summit expedition to shine a light for struggling veterans like
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: I was, and to raise awareness of the link between
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: adverse childhood experiences and PTSD in later life because no
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